Why Nintendo Shutdown Smash Tournaments

[@Technicals]

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[@FlamingBasketballClub]

In all fairness. Jisu and Leffen should have been cancelled back in mid 2020 for supporting false accusations of sex related crimes.

[@Mrdrdxse]

Incogni's refund policy is for 30 days, despite their literal service description on their site stating that you won't see results until the end of the first FISCAL QUARTER of use...

[@Gnarfledarf]

Don't put sponsored content in the middle of the video.

[@ByoKora775]

Money is the root of all evil, ooh dang gahney.

[@incongruous4]

@@Gnarfledarf He needs to make money somehow otherwise doing this is a waste of time and adsense's pay is pretty garbage. So is the product though. If your data is stolen, it's stolen. The best thing to prevent identity theft is computer literacy. No, there are no hot singles in your area. That email you got from amazon saying there was a problem and to click on this link isn't real. And no, you didn't just inherit $3mil from the king of africa.

[@aguy3082]

So long story short Nintendo actually sincerely attempted to work with Smash after all this time and effort, Smash finally had enough money coming in with Panda to built into a tier 2 esport, and then GimR nuked the entire thing because it required him to do basic due diligence in running his events.

[@Chop23]

And somehow VGBC remains as a reputable smash organization, while PG was the one that cease and desisted... Nah fam

[@Chop23]

@@aguy3082 I'm not disagreeing with your initial comment.

[@aguy3082]

@@Chop23 gotchu lol

[@xxreaper1998xx]

​@@Chop23JP player spotted

[@chibimoon1432]

​@Chop23 the smash community has always had a habit of running with popular opinion and not concerned with actually getting to the truth of things so yeah...they want to cry and boohoo but can't ever admit when they're wrong about things.

[@cluelesslink16]

That cut for HBOX talking trash and then backing down within days belongs in a museum.

[@ALDOGMO13]

it was even funnier because he folded not even 24 hours after it on twitter.

[@cluelesslink16]

@@ALDOGMO13 Yeah, I remember watching the video HBox had and thinking 'wow, this attitude is gonna crumble when Nintendo's lawyers get involved. good luck.'

[@Hammerhead0276]

He talked a lot of shit either expecting or either forgetting that Liquid are the ones calling the shots and they (rightfully) aren't about to try taking Nintendo to court. I wouldn't even be surprised if one of his bosses shot him down mid stream when he said that dumb shit.

[@cluelesslink16]

@@Hammerhead0276 yeah, most likely one of the managers shot him a message giving him the Grimm reality. I get his enthusiasm for the game. It sucks, but I can't pretend like the community wasn't asking for it.

[@ALDOGMO13]

@@Hammerhead0276 Liquid were getting smoked at Dota 2's The International when he said that, they were not about to catch a Nintendo lawsuit for him lmao.

[@moleman3081]

Man, i genuinely hate how Charlie never does follow up vids when the info he reports and reacts to isn't the full story.

[@Soulspeed68]

That's 99% of KZbinr's that "report" on this kinda stuff.

[@rocklob069]

Agreed. I wish he'd get called out for his part in this misunderstanding. Hbox too but to a lesser extent because he followed the story more actively.

[@kjoeyb.]

He’s also super scared to call out his friends. Still hasn’t called out hasan on a video for all the insane stuff he does, simping for pokimane, bad faithing Willie Mac on a debate even tho he didn’t even *WATCH NOR RESEARCH* the video he is debating, lying about war and propaganda. He finally BARELY started calling out pokimane but that’s because she’s resorted to scamming fans with repackaged cookies and insulting her audience directly and unironically

[@carlos41519]

He is a reacting content farmer. Streamer first, yt last. If you want his follow up, you are gonna have to catch him on stream

[@biiigfanyahyeet6156]

@@kjoeyb. Charlie has defended himself against Hasan when Hasan made a pointed accusation against him, but beyond that hasn't said much about Hasan. He seems to be trying to put distance between himself and Hasan.

[@benjaminbravo9884]

Technicals : I'll burn this community to the ground if needed Vgbc and beyond the summit : not if we do it first

[@Fishman465]

That is very believable in reality considering how much they hurt themselves screwing Panda over.

[@RealKeetz]

Technicals: Thanks for doing my job for me... *Chills in hammock with margaritas.*

[@no_0riginality937]

Talk about hurting themselves in confusion

[@ParkAir33]

Such a 1000 yard stare take

[@Ephraim225]

I am seriously out of the loop so let me make sure I have the timeline right - Panda and Nintendo work together on getting a real circuit going and it looks like it may just work out this time - BTS/VGBC sees that and hates it because it'll end their operation, or they were jealous - So they launch their circuit anyways knowing they'll get shut down because of how sudden it is - BTS/VGBC spins it as Nintendo/Panda being bullies, making use of Nintendo's already not-good rep to turn the community against them - The community goes after Panda, boycotting and forcing them to shut down - Now there's no circuit, no tournament, no nothing, and the community gets to live with being played like a damn fiddle

[@RealKeetz]

Jealousy is a horrible thing. 🧐

[@ShaunInce123]

Correct

[@no_0riginality937]

I mean Envy is a deadly sin sooooo..

[@bobaorc7839]

I'm not defending any of the actions taken, Nintendo did nothing wrong in *this* situation, but... Maybe if Nintendo doesn't want people automatically assuming they're in the wrong all the time they could stop being so cancerously unlikeable

[@Zippyd00da132]

​@bobaorc7839 Everytime Nintendo has tried to do something with the smash community, it has ended poorly.

[@skyfoil]

Honestly the Smash Community is its own worst enemy. Pointing the fingers at everyone but themselves.

[@tomrejor4842]

I do feel like it points finger at itself a lot but just at the others within itself, never themselves. The thing is the community is so big that the others are always the problem.

[@darkpyro786]

Unfortunately it's the same behavior they learned from their parents/guardians. When no one takes accountability and lacks the ability to self-reflect, the cycle will keep on repeating. And that's only ONE issue out of hundreds 😑

[@heroicgangster9981]

@@tomrejor4842 yeah the biggest bane of the smash community is that there are too many to keep track of

[@ggnicklu]

Yeah, but aren't you doing the same rn?

[@M64bros]

By the end of it all they have no one to blame but themselves

[@ShurikanBlade]

Kinda crazy how technicals will forever be seen as the villain of the smash community. All because the people on top are good at making themselves look like victims

[@MeowBanti]

its probably because he platforms nazis and is a self described edgelord. theres nothing crazy about it, its just his brand

[@raze2798]

​@@MeowBanti Wdym "platforms nazis?" How would that ever come up in a Technicals vid lmao

[@LycheenutOWL]

​@@MeowBantiYou have a video on your channel called "Topkek 288" featuring a Sanic meme and German footage. Topkek and Sanic being memes that both originated on 4chan, a known nazi website. Care to explain you fking Nazi?

[@Yosh_XXL]

Ah yes throw around the word Nazi to make yourself the true justice warrior. Doing the god's work of demonizing Nazis that killed millions of jews​@@MeowBanti

[@superplayerex2431]

@@MeowBanti Oh no, how dare Technicals not care about what types of jokes he makes!? Why does he not cater to MY sense of humor and MY fee-fees!? He must totally be a Secretly Super EVIL Person™ giving a platform to other Secretly Super EVIL Persons™ to spread violence and hatred against innocent people (me & me only)!!!

[@megasoniczxx]

I swear the more I learn about this community the more I sincerely can't fault Nintendo for not wanting to deal with it.

[@symple72videoreviewer88]

for real. It's the community themselves that burned a potentially good future to the ground.

[@pannkeki8940]

Oh that's why I left completely. Also way too many pedophiles I didn't wanna be associated with that

[@altdynkzi]

It's Nintendo's fault initially for disregarding and not valuing its player base. So now it's trying to backtrack and build a community or establish an esport after all these players have tried to create one themselves. So now that Nintendo is coming back they're losing their control. ​@@symple72videoreviewer88

[@LARAUJO_0]

Why is it that every time there's some huge Smash community drama it's littered with misinformation and Technicals has to come in over a year later to explain wtf actually happened? It's kinda funny but also kinda saddening

[@SilverNightbane]

It's because the Smash Pro following community is just a giant ass circle jerk echo chamber and most people take any and all statement at face value, without actually fact checking or having an ounce of doubt. Doesn't help people just blindly follow Charlie and Ludwig, I even remember Pyrocynical tossing his hat in the ring, just parroting off the whole "Panda bad" thing.

[@mrconroy4672]

@@SilverNightbane Charlie and Ludwig have always been on the decline for quite some time now. It’s only a matter of time before they screw up big time and lose it all.

[@no_0riginality937]

@@mrconroy4672How do you know that? I mean to me it looks like they are doing just fine. Although this makes me wonder Do you guys think that Ludwig and Charlie are liable for defamation and slander considering that they have been indirectly and directly caused Panda to collapse?

[@mrconroy4672]

@@no_0riginality937 I do think they could still lose it all if they continue to allow things like this to slip by.

[@no_0riginality937]

@@mrconroy4672 Dude they have a MASSIVE audience and do you really expect that most of his audience are even aware of the harm they caused to the community. Granted you are right if that’s the case but those two and their audience won’t do the bare minimum of doing research let alone searching up technicals to see a video like this

[@CalderTF2]

For such a grassroots organization, they sure love messing with lawnmowers.

[@napo1803]

Soo.. If I heard correctly... Nintendo wanted to help with license and organization Panda said "Aight Bet" Panda brings it to Lower tier TOs'(Riptide, VG, STR, etc etc) Lower TOs say "Muh sponsor Money.." Panda says "Chill bruh.. We all gon eat" Lower TOs say "But MY sponsor MONEY!" Lower TOs rant about "Evil Nintendo and Evil Panda trying to fuck smash 4ever!" ???? Everyone loses!

[@maxmikester8185]

In other words, greed got involved. Just not the usual corporate greed.

[@LuigiLonLon]

The community is so far up their own ass about being "grassroots" they downright refuse to work with Nintendo under the insistent perception of (while true 10 years ago) being the underdog. While i agree that they're damn stingy and cutthroat in their legal bs, but constantly antagonizing them will not work on neither the long or short term. Nintendo is so damn clear in their guidelines with the proper planning they're impossible to fuck up like Genesis. Capcom, ArcSystems, Netherrealm and Namco were capable of establishing proper legitimate circuits while not compromising local/regional scenes by working alongside fans and TOs anD the players and fans realize that a big magnitude event requires certain ammount of formality. Smash community is allergic to formal procedures and wants to run their tournaments like your local in a garage or your local arcade while demanding big prize pools, and now they dont have money, manpower nor assets and now with Nintendo breathing down their necks. Thanks GimR

[@albertwesker4729]

had groomers

[@AwkwardTurtle311]

Reasons as to why KZbinrs will ignore this: Moist critical lacks critical thinking to react to this. Ludwig is too brainwashed.

[@kitsune6363]

Moist is a libtard Ludwig is a narcissist

[@azuredusk991]

Uh not exactly but he watches bent neatly smash videos and he agrees

[@MildlyOCD]

The entire community is filled with children & adult children, half of which are more influencers who care more about their image & _THE GRIND._ If that's doesn't sound like a recipe for disaster, I don't know what to tell you. Paying over $1k to just watch their stream is fucking insane.

[@Velereonics]

I have a pet theory regarding social and mental development having to do with people who as adults are in careers they effectively started as children, and where success is tied on some level to popularity in addition to some sort of skill and how that insulates them from having to accommodate the blunt end of society by being judged in other ways and against VASTLY more people. Huge ego, ie somewhat sociopathic, but ignorant and immature because their behavior and awareness has never and will never superscede their skill in their niche.

[@Technicals]

Appreciate ya MildlyOCD

[@heybrams]

​@@TechnicalsCan you make a GreenTom7: Where Are They Now Video please?

[@showsister69]

Sadly at this point if an adult likes smash I worry what's wrong with them and I hope it's not being a PDF

[@kyperactive]

Blaming yourself is harder than blaming others. It means you have to admit you have a problem. And no one likes looking at themselves as problematic.

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

"To fall is terrible, to admit it more so."

[@RealKeetz]

But everyone is problematic. We are humans, after all. 😂😂😂

[@kyperactive]

@@RealKeetz I'd say so. Most would rather refuse to accept that however.

[@Do_not_at_me_bro]

​@@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown"it's a quiet thing to fall, far more terrible to admit it" Kreia me rn:🤓

[@SamasakiXBL]

Gimr having main character syndrome probably alone destroyed Smash. I can't remember the last time I tuned in for a finals after the big situation, both melee and ult. Oh well. Shit happens, and sometimes we lose.

[@synnamon_toast_crunch]

I haven't kept up with the tournaments since smash 4 💀💀

[@ewwitscullen9132]

He a professional dweeb

[@DevelonLP]

Same i followed all big tournaments watched atleast top 8 usually even top 68 but since the move from nintendo and all the drama that happened before i stopped.

[@DevelonLP]

​@@synnamon_toast_crunch pre dlc and pre bayonetta tournaments were really good even though 2 Stocks was a crazy rule

[@synnamon_toast_crunch]

@@DevelonLP Ikr, still remember a lot the hype matches

[@Kami10]

This is the reason why I'm a technicals fan, I don't understand how smashers can be so hypocritical then hate you for telling them what's wrong at face value.

[@KIJHK]

They only care about their precious egos.

[@dark3rthanshadows]

technicals has a very hard approach, and he touches to many inflamatory topics and goes against some of the top content creators, this ends up making people brigade against him even when he's right.

[@danielfiallos6923]

​@@dark3rthanshadows you can say this about, almost any fanbase. No tribe wants any criticism towards their idols, even when its valid, and especially if it comes from "outsiders"

[@markee3738]

"nintendo's the REAL villain you guys! anyway pay $1000 if you want to stream our events and don't monetize your content if you use our footage in any way, even if it falls under fair use" i love this community

[@darthgamer9861]

and people wonder why whenever someone makes a video condemning Nintendo for this sort of thing I sigh and roll my eyes.

[@resean2727]

Luckily beyond the summit shutdown, so we dont have to worry about those degenerates.

[@d_sims]

I, to this day, have no idea why the likes of GimR and VGBC are still allowed to run tournaments. They should share an equal, if not more, punishment as Panda Global for the essential destruction of the Smash Community's integrity and morale. I find it surprising that sponsors are STILL willing to pour out money after all the crap that has happened over the past few years without any repercussions. I won't be satisfied until VGBC ceases as a company - just like Panda - and not only will I never support or watch another event ever again, I'll actively campaign for everyone else to do the same . F**K GIMR

[@laserbeamlightning]

Voting Technicals as the leader of the smash community. We need a leader who hates the community as much as the current ones do but is at least open about it

[@ShinMario098]

Ludwig and MoistCr1tikal really shouldn't be allowed to own an esports organisation. If I were a part of Moist Esports's Smash Division I'd be pretty pissed that my bosses are actively sabotaging what little integrity is left of the game they signed me up to compete in.

[@trubica]

Because smash never got official support for most of its lifespan, the tournament scene has always been run by people who are essentially fratbros and who retained that level of immaturity onwards. It's exactly why it's the worst community in gaming littered with nothing but shitty drama all the way. Sucks because melee is a wonderful game.

[@darkpyro786]

​​@@trubicaFratbros is the perfect word I've been looking for to describe people like Ludwig and Charlie, so thanks 😂 They're just that "cool" older brother or father figure all these kids in the community lack

[@ZaWrldo]

This is actually such a redditor take

[@cheeseball5030]

@@ZaWrldo lol that’s gotta be the most terminally online response ever.

[@yaboirandall7638]

Watching Ludwig and penguinz0 is the most redditor shit you can do

[@jaidora]

As much as I’m glad Alpharad moved away from the smash community and created his own brand, it’s still very rotten how he brushed his Nairo support under the rug.

[@Xfushion2]

The fact that he supported the ped0 in the first place is more rotten.

[@flashdr1ve]

its honestly psychotic, i dont see how a normal human being would want to defend someone who dated a child. influencers are crazy and shouldn’t be trusted

[@bobaorc7839]

"When you're thicc, you're thicc, maybe don't be thicc tbh" Alpharad excusing the perpetrators by talking about the victims' bodies

[@smashmonkey6304]

LOL the shade thrown at Ludwig. He deserves to get way more shit for what he tried to pull. The Smash Community can't fathom the amount of money thrown away, but I think Smash fans just want a pay piggie. So I guess Ludwig will have to fill that role until the end of time.

[@just.Harley]

nah Ludwig had good intentions, not to defend the millionaire but its not really his fault, if anything we should throw way more shade on penguinz0 for being possibly the biggest factor in everyone blaming panda and people pulling out. he stated in his video that Alan was the number 1 villain for a fact and was completely wrong, and when charlie says something that becomes the normie opinion

[@vDeadbolt]

​@@just.HarleyLudwig clearly knows what he is doing. It makes sense for Mr. Millionaire to sweep stuff like these under the rug for the sake of making himself and the community look good in the process.

[@smashmonkey6304]

@@just.Harley"Good intentions" would not be running a tournament on the same day as another major tournament. What you have to understand is that Ludwig lost a lot of money for the community and a lot of people's jobs. The reason Tech brings up TKBreezy is because he got brought onto Panda and was actually going to start making money in Smash, but NOPE. Ludwig got mad that some other tournament failed so he had to help those people while ruining the lives of people who were far more involved in it. If anything, Ludwig owes an apology to people like TKbreezy and the other Panda staff.

[@elnerdo5455]

Also a reminder that Ludwig is more than willing to openly use charities as a shield and weapon for what he does and the community eats it up. (LACS 3)

[@vDeadbolt]

@@smashmonkey6304 The ironic part is how Ludwig doesn't want to be viewed as a sellout because he got famous from something that wasn't related to smash, so he constantly gives back to help bolster his image. The guy was a niche celebrity in the world of smash, and he didn't get that much of an influence until he started to rake in millions from reacting to stolen content and sleeping on stream. People want to say it wasn't the case, but Ludwig wasn't a household name before. For someone who loves to give back, he is known for taking it away as well

[@ShurikanBlade]

I wish big "drama" youtubers actually cared enough to make a follow up vid or a correction video because at the end of the day their old videos sent misinformation to millions and did irreparable damage that only they can fix. Charlie spread misinformation and Ludwig killed one of the biggest nintendo partners and made 150 people lose their jobs and i doubt either of them will ever apoogize

[@M64bros]

Those are one of the reasons why I'm starting to hate Charlie and Ludwig, Their followers treat them as some kind of gods but all I see are a bunch of lousy complainers making drama videos 24/7 just to get money and views and screw up everything from the get-go with their lousy misinformation.

[@no_0riginality937]

If you wish that they make a follow up or have them acknowledge that they played a role to the irreversible damage they cause towards the smash community and mostly Panda I recommend you bring this to their attention. No matter how futile it may seems since Technical is a microscopic creator whereas Charlie and Ludwig are titans of the internet. If our voices can be reached and HEARD we will at least get them to take accountability and perhaps recovery to the smash scene. Regardless if they deserve it but we can’t let misinformation stay. Everyone deserves the full story

[@darthgamer9861]

this is late, but thats one of the big reasons I stopped following Arlo. he does the bare minimum and essentially panders to the very worst of Nintendos critics

[@no_0riginality937]

@@darthgamer9861Tbh I’m not a huge fan of Arlo and tbh there are things about Nintendo that frustrates all of us but these people never bother to look on the other side

[@Fly1guy]

Man Alan didn’t deserve any hate this community is horrendous

[@frankwalker4428]

Alan is a piece of shit and absolutely deserves every bit of hate.

[@miguelgarciabegines4134]

@@christian_uu why? we can see now he wasn`t guilty of anything the community and vgbc acussed him. And the torneys hosted by Panda were the most influencial and profitable for the smash community

[@sadbandit]

yea he did, retard

[@herbmaaster]

who is "the community" anyway

[@binber2450]

@@herbmaaster the people who play the game or interact with smash content

[@franciscodelico]

As funny as it is to laugh at Esam, I find it in really good taste that you show him as a victim of this whole debacle, because at the end of the day, he is just another player, content creator, and most importantly another PERSON fucked over BTS and their decision to destroy Panda for their own sake. Great video as always. Have a great day.

[@LunaGropeAnnelotte]

How poetic that the downfall of the smash community would be caused by the smash community itself.

[@dannysummers4591]

Smash Community: "Why didn't you just kill me?" Technicals: "Your punishment must be more severe"

[@EliMfGen]

The smash community does not care about technicals. The only people that do are those that also have a hate boner for the community lol.

[@Extreme11]

@@EliMfGenwrong, even if we’re a minority I’m huge on Technicals but still happily participate in Smash community stuff

[@GSEleven]

​@@EliMfGenLowkey; I am like a superfan of this man and I joined a discord for tournaments and they were already talking about Technicals, clearly unbiased because there were opposing sides of an argument between the TO and a random tournament participant before brackets went live.

[@dannysummers4591]

@@EliMfGen considering that smash reddits go on lockdown anytime Tech releases a video about them, I'd say they care.

[@silversix8247]

I remember one video where he says he was going to destroy its community or something similar. It wasn't that hard because the community fuck itself up since all this drama with pedophiles und nintent fucking up the community over and over again.

[@yeez13]

It’s very telling that Charlie and Ludwig are so aligned with the TOs of most non-licensed tourneys and their stances. It’s almost like they believe they could objectively will their opinions into being merely by spouting them without actually understanding anything about anything whatsoever 🤷🏽‍♂️ This is why they’re objectively a detriment to their collective audiences. Not in their content itself, mind you, but in how they’re seen as beyond reproach and “in the right” due to how popular their opinions on things are. Between Charlie being a bit of a Safe Edgy yet conniving tight rope walker and Ludwig being a tremendous grifter getting by on his fame…it’s safe to say that taking major KZbinrs seriously is something that we should never do ever again. Not even when they “show their work” (aka “did the research”), since even THAT could be skewed by the incredible bias that they’re surrounded by in Soda Poppin’ and fellow “big streamers” in the way they tow the line of “acceptability”. I’ve never trusted Charlie and especially not Ludwig, so stuff like their “findings” only really reaffirms it. Edit: I meant “Poggers”, the Streamer “collective” with Pokimane, Ian Johma (refuse to call him by his formerly glorious name…iDubbzz), Ian’s “wife”, Cr1tikal, Ludwig, and others…not Sodapoppin the streamer. My bad 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@M64bros]

Exactly and I'm really starting to hate them both even more now

[@TemplarAnimated]

@@M64bros Okay hating people you've never met after they do stuff that hasn't killed anyone is a bit much. This is the point we gotta go outside

[@M64bros]

@@TemplarAnimated I still respect them as people but they're delusional fanbase filled with neck beard children are toxic as hell

[@Yodaslayer3000]

​@@TemplarAnimatedthey uhhh, not for the first time, have actively ruined people's lives? In this case every single employee of Panda Global lost their jobs bc of a couple of KZbinrs who refuse to be wrong about things.

[@ghostling170]

I still remember when Ludwig was originally going over some of the claims against Alan in his mogul mail. It was the two orgs that were cited in this video that wanted to recreate evo 2013, he even cited the orgs from genesis and all I could think was "...wait wtf makes them a reliable source? Why should I believe any of these guys when they only now come out after Alan? Doesn't that look incredibly suspicious?" all that wasn't even including whether or not Ludwig was in touch with those cited in his video to begin with. I get that he jokes about it a lot but I genuinely believe Ludwig is a straight up narcissist.

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

Here’s hoping Leffen, Nairo, GimR, Appolsl, BTS, Mikey and Ken from BTS, Ludwig, and etc all severely pay for all of the awful things they’ve committed throughout the years (some of which are felonies cough cough Leffen, Nairo, and GimR). The damage they’ve done is irreparable and should help collapse the competitive smash community faster into the ground.

[@Zippybobjoe]

What felonies did Leffen commit? I need to know so I can complain about him more.

[@joshhagel1267]

I'm not really informed on this story. What proveable felony did VGBC's staff commit?

[@chiliandcornbread09]

@@Zippybobjoebased

[@supersonicstyleatsonicspeed]

@@Zippybobjoe Perjury. He did so against ZeRo within his lawsuit.

[@justsomeguywithaquestionab3175]

What did Ludwig do???

[@landinhoule5096]

Nintendo seemed pretty fair the entire time. Set standards and shut down those who don’t follow those standards. That’s pretty fair and it’s not like any of the regulations were extreme. It’s the smash communities fault for not following the standards that Nintendo set 4 years ago.

[@512TexasRed]

Why does Nintendo need to have standards? There weren’t really any before they sent EVO an C&D and everyone was happy being in their own lane. (Hint: It’s because Nintendo has brand insecurities)

[@landinhoule5096]

@@512TexasRed because legal ramifications. if something happens at an event where they are playing a Nintendo licensed game at, a case can be made they didn’t have proper security or standards. Nintendo would be held responsible because they licensed the game out to an unsafe event.

[@512TexasRed]

@@landinhoule5096 who said Nintendo needs to license these tournaments? Nintendo’s license is just them saying they won’t sue you. Furthermore even if they are licensed they could simply add TOS language to their licenses saying they aren’t liable for conduct at the events and organizers would still seek that license.

[@landinhoule5096]

@@512TexasRed if they don’t license it, they make no money from the tournament despite them making them game. They own the property rights both physically and intellectually, they are free to license who and what they please. And By no means is their license strict. it’s straightforward, not too greedy, ensures safety and equality for the event, and the company that actually made the game can also profit from it. They put the hard work into making the game so they should make money when people use their game to make money.

[@512TexasRed]

@@landinhoule5096 they did make money when they sold the game. But heaven forbid Nintendo doesn’t make money on a tournament they didn’t work to organize, for players the didn’t sponsor, for other equipment they didn’t buy, the venue they didn’t rent. Heaven forbid Nintendo doesn’t get a cut for something they did nothing to support beyond selling a game. Sure the could be free to license that stuff just as they could easily not invent a license from their anti consumer behavior. Their license isn’t anything other than they won’t sue you for streaming their game. What it covers beyond that is entirely arbitrary. If Nintendo just left independent tournaments to stream and support themeselves the license debacle would not have ever happened. “They put hard work into making the game so they should make money”. They did when the copies of the game was sold.

[@thefranChise1]

Hey, it's me

[@BENzoic-zj2do]

DISLIKE !!!!!

[@eighttheinfinite871]

I...read this in Goku's voice for some reason😂

[@kusaribruh]

FRANCHISE!

[@Edges_]

It’s youuu

[@chiliandcornbread09]

Hey

[@ht5_]

The last sentence of this video explains all the reasons why the smash community has the problems it does. The people who got pushed to the top (without merit) were incompetent.

[@oTrevdawgo]

Technicals is the guy that everyone has to openly hate so they don't get shunned and cancelled, but secretly enjoy and watch every video

[@zod4365]

Still waiting for Ludwig, Moist Critical, and Maximilian to make apology or retraction videos....

[@ellis7622]

Oh no, Max fumbled this one too? I’m not a huge fan but he’s a FGC OG so it’d be shitty to see him get sucked into all this.

[@zod4365]

@ellis7622 he made a video around the same time as those mentioned and continues to throw shots at Nintendo. You should skip ANY Nintendo Directs watch along with him. Here's where it gets wild, he held an online SF6 tournament, and a lot of the participants were recently let go Panda Global players, lol.

[@paulflemister4737]

That won't probably happen and they'll just probably write this off immediately. Don't get me wrong though because I would hope they would.

[@justwithpaper]

You can sit and wait all you want. They'll never follow up on this because they need to cling to their high horse, even if that means not owning up to their mistakes.

[@Violent_Wolfen]

Max fucked up too? Wouldn't be the first time.

[@ajrey88]

Panda going down didn't just hurt the Smash community, but the entire FGC in general. People always clowned on the silly quizzes and combo trial videos but now I miss them.

[@marlinmurrell620]

Same

[@1mrcow143]

Yeah, I liked them

[@Fishman465]

This as there were many things ran by Panda that applied to the greater FGC. This also plays into why the rest of the FGC gives the smash part dirty looks

[@marlinmurrell620]

@@Fishman465 so true

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

This pretty much validated every other fgc community's negative feelings about the smash scene lmao

[@ewwitscullen9132]

Alpharad backtracking is so funny. People act like he’s this wholesome golden boy but he’s the same as the rest of them

[@just-linx8271]

He's a people-pleaser. If social standards shifted, he'd drop his current morals and pick up the new ones.

[@spikytoaster]

​@just-linx8271 No hes a liar and two faced. Not a people pleaser theres a differenct trying 😊

[@RamikinHorde]

@@spikytoaster No, these are the same thing. People-pleasers are always liars because they care more about pleasing the people around them than truth or integrity

[@Xfushion2]

Didn't know Alpha simped for Nairo. I was a casual fan so I was never really focused on the whole drama, but I no longer feel comfortable watching someone that defended a ped0. At this point I get why Nintendo doesn't want anything to do with the smash pro-scene: is full of cringy, entitled man children that think that because you're good at a game somehow justifies having relations with a minor. And the still dare to act shock that _daddy N_ ignores them.

[@richard_returns_IRL]

alpharad is 100% a coomer boy despite being married i just hope that what ever degenerate non sense he is doing behind the scenes does not involve minors and should be pointed and laughed at

[@chuganoga1908]

Smash community is the grimiest community I’ve ever played in.

[@no_0riginality937]

Ok im going to completely change this comment just to add this . Everyone if you all want a follow up video of Charlie, Hungrybox, and Ludwig about this situation. PLEASE bring this video to their attention. Technicals is a microscopic creator compared to the giants of Online content creation like those three. So please everyone BRING THIS VIDEO AND THE FRANCHISE’S VIDEO TO THEIR ATTENTION

[@moonwarrior3342]

Share it to Asmond. That'll spread enough attention.

[@Dedu_]

They've already seen it, and they all know technicals. They won't ever talk about it though, because owning to their wrongdoings would harm their images and enormous egos, that's it.

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@moonwarrior3342 As much as I don't like a lot of Asmon's takes, he is probably the only one that would watch this and stream it at the same time, which would at least gain some traction.

[@_BootyTang_]

Smash community and poor decision making, name a more iconic duo that seamlessly go together. What makes all of this so much more excruciating is the fact the people with the largest fanbases of the community all seem to be against proper reform even Charlie, who I know means well but, is such a nut gobbler for "Pro" smash players he's just using is platform to disperse nonsense. Thankfully, with people like Tech & Franchise letting others know what's really up with the community I'd say there is still hope.

[@axmendez1999]

The smash community is the only community i know to literally implode because of stupid decisions. Unfortunately Dr. Alan tried but you can't fix stupid and sadly this is the fault of the community not Nintendo and definitely not Panda global.

[@M64bros]

This video made me hate both Charlie and Ludwig A whole lot more now, Their followers treat them as some kind of God and leader of youtube but all I see are just a bunch of lazy neck beards that do nothing but stream drama 24/7 to get money and views and to screw up the internet with misinformation, Not only is this about the Super Smash Bros community which I'm glad it's getting what it deserved but to show the world and to show everyone how absolutely wrong Charlie and the other KZbinrs are, If you want a real KZbinr that knows real information about this stuff. Moon Channel is a whole lot better because he's a lawyer and he knows how video game reality stuff works and explains it anymore. Realistic grounded approach. I don't trust Charlie and I never will

[@anonymist-n8z]

Glad I'm not the only one that despises Charlie and his reddit fanbase

[@M64bros]

​@@anonymist-n8z Same here

[@zeanone9257]

Same

[@jedisquidward]

There is something unimaginably painful about having something that you love so deeply and has been so important to your development as a human being be hijacked by a "community" of people who are so ridiculously self-important yet painfully incompetent that they can't go a single week without taking this beautiful work of art and making it about their petty drama

[@HutzilBomb]

To the smash community "Congratulations, you played yourself."

[@musicmashups]

This is why I will never be a member of the Smash Community despite my enjoyment watching the tournaments. It's so self-destructive and has the largest victim complex imaginable. As for BTS, I feel for them a bit because we know now they were bleeding money at the time and had to shut down 4 months later, but aren't there better ways of making money than forcing community members to pay for watch parties? It's also partially their own fault that they shut down, since they were giving out $100,000 prize pools. Maybe use some of that money to pay your operating costs?

[@Gadlight]

this is just me shotting my shot here, but probably because they had some kind of arrangement with the top players so they dont get paid too much, but enough to secure a good show

[@RamikinHorde]

BTS was almost certainly panicking due to getting pushed out of dota broadcasting - dota is INSANELY lucrative, I bet their smash division was nowhere near sustainable

[@justinperez4693]

Imagine screaming Fuck Nintendo while simultaneously dedicating your life to a game that glorifies Nintendo IPs 😂

[@Bargate]

The biggest Nintendo haters are also the ones who play spend the most hours playing or consuming everything Nintendo it's quite ironic.

[@anonymist-n8z]

Lmao good comment

[@PichusBlueberryPies]

@@Bargate yeah it’s very poetic actually lol

[@williord3050]

Seen lots of self proclaimed haters make multiple half hour gameplay vids of their games lmao

[@PurpleWukong21]

I love MoistCr1tikal but man he sucks at following through and admitting that what he's doing is wrong, This is the same guy that took 300 dollars from a person that was asking if he was going to check an email that details info on a players endurance run in a game and simply responds with "yeah im gonna check it out" then never checking it out and casually accepts the money

[@M64bros]

This is precisely why I'm starting to despise him even more

[@slimjimoil93]

He has the attention span of a goldfish

[@grthjryrd7552]

watch his videos of him belittling desperate men, the dude is a scumbag.

[@SubliminaIMessages]

So basically the Smash community killed itself via a shit ton of scandals and self-sabotage. Yeah that sounds about right

[@jmbeats3308]

The Smash Community has to make a safe and enjoyable environment for ages 10+ and stop spiteing Nintendo. One because of the current community's toxicity and controversy and the game's ACTUAL age range, and the second because it only pours gasoline on an already large fire. Make these changes, and then Nintendo might support or negotiate with the community.

[@mrkisukes]

The Smash community is full of adults who do not know how to adult.

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

When I was a younger man I believed Nintendo was being silly. Now in my older age, I see they were doing a public service.

[@Yodaslayer3000]

Out of this whole story, it is insane to me that I came out the other side liking how Nintendo handled everything. They did what they could off of the knowledge they had. I also didnt expect to find out Ludwig's "holier than thou" crusade type of tournament actually killed that prize tournament. It is insane that a youtuber who is constantly making bad takes still holds that much power. And I know its been said to death, but this is now another check on a long list of awful takes and tight rope walking for Charlie "I cannot call out my friends" MoistCritikal.

[@alanhill2331]

I feel so bad for Panda. I however love that the smash community destroyed itself in the most on brand way possible.

[@plabcentral630]

I’ve said it a million times, don’t interact with the greeter community. Go to locals and chill with your friends. That’s what makes it fun.

[@kevinkim8251]

Damn this is some real hard-hitting critical journalism. As someone who watches a lot of creators that were connected to Beyond the Summit or supportive of it in the past, this totally blew my mind.

[@SdEon]

It's a shame... the Smash Community had SO much potential, only for the leaderheads to not only squander it due to their deception and greed but they ended up affecting ALL of the Non-Smash related Nintendo games. i.e. Mario Kart, Pokemon, Splatoon Etc.

[@sunbeames1847]

Imagine being so salty at another company, someone starts a slander campaign that encourages harrasment, and it was so successful that it nearly tears down the whole community and essentially bankrupt/cripple multiple companies including their own...

[@no_0riginality937]

Tbh I don’t think we would blame Alan if he sued everyone involved. Including Charlie and Ludwig for slander and defamation. But sadly that wont happen cause dude is broke

[@zadenhomunculus8652]

I think you just accurately described the collapse of Yugoslavia, hilariously enough.

[@Pan_Z]

For a community that wants to grow, they're sure good at destroying their opportunities to do so.

[@sizzle9000]

God's honest truth. This was so damn satisfying to see a light finally being shone on the sheer hypocrisy of it all. Good riddance BTS. The Melee community being "we grassroots!!1" and "FK NINTENDO WE DON'T NEED THEM!" has done untold, irreparable damage to their scene and, more importantly, the Smash community's commercial viability as a whole - and I hope the Ultimate scene wakes up to that fact

[@hollowtrees6669]

The whole panda situation makes me really sad. At worst the situation was malicious on VGCBC end and at best it was a misunderstanding between both parties in my opinion. Yet the community still acts like Panda was an evil org despite sponsoring many players in ult, melee and the FGC, bringing a sense of legitimacy to the scene, producing successful content and developing cool products and events like the Panda Cup and the Panda controller. Yet the community acts like they’re evil and they never provided any value. Now numbers are down for ultimate and melee and interest for both games is decreasing while the players, TOs and stats teams fight amongst each other and don’t see eye to eye on anything. Thanks for bringing light to truth of the situation, it’s very tiring to hear the same narrative pushed which lacks all facts and nuance.

[@SpectreXS]

I do not like Nintendo in the slightest, but the "grassroots" smash people really make me take Nintendo's side more than anything.

[@marlinmurrell620]

Yeah

[@eduardotorres6108]

Nintendo are old timers & nothing wrong with that

[@DANCERcow]

Generally speaking, Nintendo is 99% of the time justified and innocent in what "evils" the gaming community and specifically the Smash Bros community accuse them of! Usually like clockwork, it gets revealed that the communities are the ones in the wrong and or misinformation and rage baiting!

[@anonymist-n8z]

​@@eduardotorres6108they literally invented cease and desists, yes they are wrong

[@salj.5459]

@@anonymist-n8zI really doubt that

[@lordmew5]

This is the problem i have with smash players they are beyond delusional on every level. You have 1-2ers saying they need to get a secondary for their bad matchups and then as a whole community, you have them legitimately believing they are going to strong arm nintendo into doing whatever they want. For 8 years i have been explaining to people that they dont have the power that they think they have and it's always some dumb excuse. The worst part is that smash players try to have their cake and eat it too. Its grassroots and we just want to be left alone and while we mod melee when nintendo literally only cares about this one thing. Then its we wish we had more money look at these other fighting games. Fuck nintendo though and we wont show the simplest form of professionalism like get the licenses that we need on time.

[@drywalled]

ad placement caught me off guard lol. thought you went ultra-based "scorch the earth" mode.

[@Zippybobjoe]

I was literally halfway into it before I realized it was a plug

[@LeafMaltieze]

Congrats to Gimr, ludwig, Critical and everyone else who screwed Panda Global and Dr. Alan over a bunch of baseless claims, destroyed the legitimacy of the Smash scene, and all future relationships with Nintendo. I expect no retrospection of this from any of you, and I expect that you will face almost no backlash or consequences for any of it. I feel no sympathy for the Smash scene at large either, because the majority of anyone vocal with that scene supports these thing, and has shown little to no interest actually seeking out the truth, or doing anything besides acting selfish and entitled. I really enjoyed Smash for years. I've played every installment. I've been a fan of the competitive scene, and cheered during many majors. And I have also watched it destroy itself. I hope you get what you deserve.

[@Xfushion2]

It's also hard to take a community seriously when most of their high-profile members simped and justified the actions of a ped0 (Nairo) and have the audacity to act like entitled brats when Nintendo doesn't want to be associated with them.

[@no_0riginality937]

If you want justice to be served then we must play our part and do this We MUST bring this and the franChise’s video to THEIR ATTENTION! It will most likely won’t recover the damage but these guys need to take accountability for nuking the smash community and destroying Panda

[@lycanarachnid2435]

I love the underdog Technicals poking shots at the dumb reporters or other content creators, many much bigger, that jumped on the bandwagon against Nintendo in this. It is a shame to see Charlie amongst there but when you are as all over the place as he is and only ever look at the surface of things, even if I do think he typically has good intentions/intuition, you are bound to make mistakes and misjudgments.

[@M64bros]

Exactly and I'm really starting to love Technicals a whole lot more now!

[@grthjryrd7552]

Have you seen his recent content? The dude tries to prop up onlyfan "models", the guy is a total hypocrite and has none of those things you listed ESPECIALLY his plebbit fanbase

[@RandomBot-k7w]

"Dumb reporter" means **Cough** Jacob Wolf **Cough**

[@BlooJooce]

Ludwig been real quiet since this dropped.

[@soapsatellite]

Remember when EmpLemon compared the Melee community to crabs in a bucket? Me too

[@kevintorres9946]

Honestly it's about time the smash community takes a back seat.

[@512TexasRed]

To what?

[@kevintorres9946]

To anything, Smash is dying. I want to hear more about other fighting games or something else.

[@Shlankyman545]

Go into the other communities and you’ll hear a lot about them lol.

[@Zippybobjoe]

Smash community hasn't learned. He who forgets history is doomed to repeat it.

[@blahquinnyblah]

Tech speaks straight facts, smash community is just dumb....

[@paz8723]

The FGC laughs at Smash for legitimate reasons these days Its so not difficult to be a decent person but Smash TOs and Pros just screw it up every single time

[@Muscle_SL]

I always knew Coffeezillas robot voice was yours

[@Xenowolf8]

So what did we learn today? A lot of the Leaders/Figureheads in the Smash community are not the most intelligent people and are actually pretty selfish. And that leaves us with a question; When will the Smash community realize they’ve become the thing swore to destroy?

[@Mingodough]

God bless Nintendo, I know people hate it, but them shutting down tourneys full of grown men playing children’s video games is them preventing sickos to do sicko behavior. Major W

[@OverZeelous]

I don't know how someone can suck Technicals dick so much and miss the point of the video he made. He was clearly talking about BTS' disavowed price demands for restreaming or reproducing their events, along with other quite frankly unsettling "business practices". The only part talking about "sickos" (if you can even use that word with how inappropriate it is) is Technicals shoe-horning in the outdated and untrue Nairo allegations for the trillionth time.

[@carlos41519]

It’s good to stop degenerate/sickos but this is not a good solution

[@Beefster09]

I hope the sick behavior you’re talking about is the grapey behavior that happens at some gaming events.

[@Mingodough]

@@Beefster09 yes and any degeneracy in general

[@OverZeelous]

What exactly is the "degeneracy" you speak of? That's a very vague term that's often used to describe "anything the speaker does not personally like, and isn't based off of any preconceived ethical basis".@@Mingodough

[@Jitterzz]

I’ve never seen a community that so deservedly lost the thing they loved by continuously ruining it for themselves.

[@gligarguy4010]

It turns out the biggest enemy to the Smash community is itself.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

Smash community continues to be their own worst enemy.

[@pauloportas6706]

I blame MoistCr1tikal if I'm honest

[@doggo4078]

Don’t forget Ludwig. Guy posts have assed “news” on shit he has no idea about. This kinda reminds me of the mick Gordon situation, making accusations and choosing sides before all info is out

[@M64bros]

Time and time again, the Super Smash Bros Community continues to prove me and many others right on everything we say about them! There's a good reason why Nintendo doesn't want to support that community and I can definitely see why it has nothing but a bunch of 35-year-old neck beards that cry over a stupid 21-year-old game that not every casual player is interested in. By the end of it all they have no one to blame but themselves, The Super Smash Bros Community is awful and it always will be!

[@deprogramming_journey5]

This is 90% Leffens fault

[@ernesta5583]

I love that nintendo didn't make any drastic statements. It really showed their integrity in this. Nintendo just moved itself to top tier. I'm glad they let it all play out and now whatever accusation of nintendo is being accused of is being proven wrong

[@sSynclare]

my mind is blown. i shouldve known BTS were shitters by how happy they were to continue to work with jisu under the table very shortle after all the drama surrounding her

[@mds_main]

The Smash "community" needs to realise that there is a problem with it if they don't get to work with Nintendo while Splatoon or Mario Kart continue to thrive. As always amazing job Tech. I hope more people see this video, especially Charlie and Ludwig.

[@vDeadbolt]

In realty, they both probably saw it. In their free time. They aren't gonna react to this, because they know they will get exposed for defending a corrupt community.

[@citrussockawn2245]

They love papa johns more than the future of their game thats crazy

[@daxmoney5011]

As a smash 64 player this is sad to see but I hope the community can weed out people who don’t want the actual community to succeed

[@hansjuker8296]

Smash tournaments are pretty lame, so is the fandom.

[@goGothitaLOL]

All this can be summarized of a SpongeBob clip of Nintendo (portrayed by Plankton) getting the fake secret formula from the Smash Community (portrayed by Mr. Krabs) after they were being nice for once Now you see why they never trust Smash community again

[@t_raywen8750]

It is honestly so sad how so many influencers jumped on the hate train and believed bts side of the story without any questions. I am glad that there are creators like you who actually care about what is happening behind the scenes in the smash communty. This was really informative and well researched. Hope these E-sports orgs/influencers like ludwig and charlie will eventually talk about this topic again, because the damage they have indirectly caused for the tournament scene is really big

[@justwithpaper]

They won't.

[@Violent_Wolfen]

If I remember correctly, I think Ludwig got sued by Nintendo. I know they're pissed at him.

[@t_raywen8750]

@@justwithpaper yea they definitely won’t

[@no_0riginality937]

@@justwithpaperNot unless we bring it to their attention though. Regardless how difficult it may be.

[@no_0riginality937]

@@Violent_Wolfen He did was it after he launched Scuffed? Or prior?

[@Jobocan.]

Charging 1000$ for the re-streaming of someone else's IP is some real nice scam.

[@kjoeyb.]

This is what happens when you fail to mature and become a business and instead just want more of the status quo for “nostalgia” Secrecy, predators, scandals, and ultimately self sabotaging death of the community

[@izzyiq2470]

Amazing video. Also shoutout to TheFranChise, lets not forget his work aswell! The smash community is rotten tot he core and Technicals just proves it again and again.

[@CosmoTheCosmicWolf]

Truly the reasons why Nintendo Shutdown Smash Tournaments.

[@glitchunicorn]

I wonder why Panda never sued Gimr for defamation

[@gibransalazar7769]

Probably cuz they’re broke

[@no_0riginality937]

That’s a good question they should but at the same time….how? Since Panda had you know….Collapsed

[@Marchers46]

Technicals: I’ll be the one to burn this community to the ground. Gimr: Hold my beer.

[@characrisis]

The watch party fee is still a thing, when asking a smaller streamer they responded with mentioning the fee of watch parties, other streamers who are associated with these said tournament organizers like luminosity or vgbc do NOT have to pay for this waiver fee because it builds up the name of the tournament organizers not the creators, basically if you’re not a popping streamer or maybe if they just don’t find you worth the watch party they’re going to try to make you pay even though you don’t have to, but this does put into question, do they see the watch parties of banned players who stream the tournament? Or do they just pay them, ig we’ll never know

[@marrysounds]

Let's say it one time again, f*** smash community, after self sabotaging yourself ones again this is all you deserve. But yea, let's just all blame Nintendo and FP2 for killing the game, instead of taking accountably and then repeating the same mistakes over and over again. Truly sick of this. Thank you technicals for your work and putting the light on the truth on's again.

[@8BitHeroesSephyr]

Ludwig and Charley are losers for doing that shit, i honestly think they did it on purpose. They always complain about moist esports not making enough and how theyre operating at a loss it makes sense for them. Well, good job on the case tech.

[@uriyahndoesstuff9982]

Charlie has always been pretty open about his hatred for Nintendo.

[@8BitHeroesSephyr]

@@uriyahndoesstuff9982 sure that's fair I dislike them for certain things too, but ruining a whole ass circuit because you wanted a monopoly on it and I guess that sweet Papa John's sponsor deal? It's a miracle they received no backlash for being fucking stupid.

[@M64bros]

​@@8BitHeroesSephyr Exactly and I want to know if both of them know about the whole p3dos and predators drama that happened behind the scenes as well.

[@8BitHeroesSephyr]

@@M64bros holy shit, I never even thought about that, they are pretty active about their esports team so they've had to know something about other players and the scene. They can't be that blind to it.

[@M64bros]

@@8BitHeroesSephyr Exactly

[@missy7871]

Panda global deserved better. They may have sponsored esam and called his racist remarks "allegations" but damn bro.

[@tree_0550]

Seeing the smash community slowly tear itself apart has been a guilty pleasure of mine for the past few years.