Baldur's Gate 3 animal writing is better than Dragon Age Veilguard companion writing

[@garroshhellscream594]

Yep, the pigeons of BG3 are better written than 95% of the characters of Veilguard.

[@SquirtleOctavius1993]

I wonder who are 5% of the characters of Veilguard those actually good written.

[@SunWarriorSolaire]

@@SquirtleOctavius1993solas and… uh… umm..

[@apharys8921]

@@garroshhellscream594 And seeing how the characters of Veilguard are mostly self-inserts of the people who worked on it...

[@garroshhellscream594]

@@SquirtleOctavius1993 Well I've finished the game and I don't know, I just wanted to let some amount of error possible to avoid any nerdy fan coming and say "Hm, EXCUSE ME, aktually, there is THIS ONE"

[@WildcardStrider]

​@@SunWarriorSolaire Emmrich is pretty decent.. Maybe he's the second option?

[@oldoutlet6946]

The major difference is the fact the BG3 companions sound like they actually belong in their ancient world of sorcery and monsters where the characters in Veilguard sound like they belong in a modern college campus.

[@daisyfinley3434]

This is one of the biggest flaws by far. Very modern sounding dialogue followed by way too much repetition

[@BW022]

Agreed. Coffee wasn't even introduced to Europe until the end of the middle-ages and even then it was rare until the start of the industrial revolution. You have an entirely different race which could have its own customs, religion, family structure, codes, laws, language, etc. and the best thing you can think of is to make them some non-binary thing? I'm trying to imagine someone in the 14th-century Europe having a non-binary conversation with their parents and how well that will go? Likewise, you are on some adventure to save the world and you have time to care about that nonsense?

[@Vilfy]

​@@BW022dunno how even they would come up with the term nonbinary, since they are still centuries away from the computer age. Where binary was actually conned up. Using the whole woke californian dialog in a medieval fantasy world is such great world building.

[@BW022]

​@@VilfyGood point. While the word "binary" was in use in English from the middle ages and came from the Latin "binarius" and "bini" -- meainig "duality" or "pair" -- the non-binary term didn't exist as "binary" then was used for this like stars or number pairs.

[@SigtryggrWithWhiskers]

@@BW022 Exactly. I'm not a writer, I can't claim to do a better job than the people who work in the industry, but I just think it would be so easy to rewrite it as like "Mother, I have I have found within myself that the notions of of being either male or female do not represent who I am, thus I would appreciate it if you could refer to me as "they" like, it's not good, but you CAN make it sound like it belongs in a fantasy world, but it's like they didn't even try??

[@tomatoglider]

Commander Lightfeather is the real one

[@farn1991]

He is the fantasy Buzz Lightyear!

[@tomatoglider]

@farn1991 real 🕊️

[@karasu5107]

My absolute favorite character! 🫡

[@inevitable934]

That's the kind of pigeon you'd follow into battle

[@Xenolithial]

I loved him even though he was just this random 10 second interaction lol Learning he was voiced by Cazador's VA floored me but once I knew it I couldn't unhear it

[@saintricardo8746]

Commander Lightfeather's voice acting is award winning

[@Blisterdude123]

Larian Studios understood the assignment.

[@brendanl7675]

Think he's also Raphael VA?

[@joshdangit1612]

​@brendanl7675 he doesn't voice Raphael, but he does also voice Cazador Szarr

[@Xenolithial]

​@@brendanl7675he voices Cazador and also one of the doppels or whatever they are at the wine-tasting

[@Banana0_0Manly]

Non-binary dragon slayer Vs commander lighfeather

[@moanlyn8450]

I like that the animals in bg3 have a better voice performance and more natural sounding one than any of the main companions in the veil guard

[@shellsmith831]

The body and face animations are well done as well. There is nothing like the wooden bad dub lip and faces of veilguard.

[@fatfino]

Probably have a better backstory too

[@Synthia17]

The silent Tav is a better voice actor than anything in veilguard

[@Fang1st]

Crimson looked like he could have a conversation or even a debate with anyone in Veilguard and easily outsmart them all, lol.

[@lolololol7573]

Even though their animations are less refined in BG3 (for good reason), you could still tell their character from their words and their voice. Heck it could have been a stationary figure and it would have been more interesting. There is way more acting in those animals, not depending on animations or expressions - and I love it so much.

[@ythandlename]

Fantasy cast talking about coffee in the most uninspired tone or "I AM COMMANDER LIGHTFEATHER, LEADER OF THE FINEST AERIAL COMMUNICATION REGIMENT THIS SIDE OF CHOINTHAR"

[@AR-bj5et]

Because nothing lets you unwind after a long boring day at the office than playing a fantasy game that feels like a long boring day at the office

[@haku8135]

@@AR-bj5et A long boring day at the office that you're now paying money to be at. Honestly, this game is worse than fucking Gollum. At least you can LAUGH at that game's shittiness. That game was bad on a technical level, but this one's just BAD. There's NOTHING worse than just being fucking BAD.

[@Blisterdude123]

BG3: Random wildlife ruminating on life, poetry, war, philosophy DA: V Coffee guys, amirite? **canned laugh track** Edit: Whoever was responsible for telling Taash's VA to keep doing that 'growl' thing should be defenestrated. One, she can't growl properly, and two, it's just creepy as hell.

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Not to mention it's just shameless copying of klingons

[@RikkeDK1996]

i once saw a video of a furry fandom con where they used to "growl" just like Traash. Whenever Traash does that "growl" its all i can think off. And its not really a good thing lol

[@ACastaigne]

Firstly, I agree wholeheartdly. Secondly, I love how you specifically want them to be 'defenestrated'. A man of culture and taste.

[@jeangentry6656]

agreed, VERY MUCH agreed on the Taash growl thing.

[@Vladislavaklyma]

​@@ACastaigne Actually, knowing of the "scriptwriting" process we really need a decimation

[@sauronluna3669]

I did feel I was their therapist the whole game, the world is ending and I'm not getting paid to be their therapist.

[@StBrodes]

Reminds me of a quote from a Manslayer Mass Effect vid: "I'm Commander Shepherd, but apparently I'm also your therapist." Someone in the comments remarked that that was basically ME2 in a nutshell, but at least that game's characters were better written and didnt bicker nearly as often.

[@narnia1233]

Exactly.

[@ColeTrain2731]

Except you're not actually being paid. Makes the whole thing a nightmare to deal with.

[@hyceate-p]

THIS EXACTLY. I didn't really feel like a leader or a buddy. I just felt like I was just solving problems as their pocket therapist or baby sitter. Only Varric was worried about your state the most. 😂

[@Fuzen.]

That’s exactly what it is. In other C-RPGs, companion quests exist and you’re free to get invested in them or not, and once in a while they tie into the main quest. But here ? The game straight up tells us to solve their problems or they’ll be too distracted to save the world. This… just isn’t how it works. The only characters it could have worked for are Lucanis because of the whole Abomination thing and Emmrich because his whole thing is that he’s terrified of dying so of course he couldn’t perform well under that constant threat.

[@Lowdian]

The cat talking like he's the narrator of a noir film really gets me every time.

[@PrismTheKid]

Every animal conversation was uniquely endearing and delightful. Every conversation with taash spiked my adrenaline, like my body was telling me I needed to either fight for my life or run far, far away

[@michaelgoudis344]

Not only that, but you could actually infer much about what was happening in the world from them. The pigeons give the location of Tara who eats the messenger birds, the rats give hints about the whereabouts of the gnome tinkerers who were used as leverage by Gortash, or the location of Rafael given by the cat. It's truly remarkable.

[@evakhaan]

extreme level of cringe

[@samuraijaco1]

And I say this with complete sincerity... MOO

[@GrimMelvin]

While every conversation with an animal in Divinity 2 was just insanely sad. The bear cub giving me ptsd to this day.

[@Vespyr_]

Fight or flight response. Like some kind of phobia.

[@johndeighan2495]

Yeah and the crazy thing is, you could go through the whole of BG3 and not speak to a single animal because you didn’t cast the spell speak with animals. The missable content in BG3 is better than the key story moments in DA:V.

[@DamienDarkside]

There is also an amulet in case if you don't have the spell, because why WOULDN'T you want to talk to a cat?!

[@foreigngrounds9776]

True

[@Tenchigo100]

400+ hours... 400 fucking plus hours in BG3 with 3 campaign completions and you've showed me shit I didn't know existed. Jesus man BG3 is a blessing.

[@johnbono2384]

I've never talked to that fucking pigeon I've beaten the game twice wtf

[@ChaoticUrges]

When get 1k hours you'll still miss more than half the game

[@kbucket]

400 hours is a drop in the bucket lol

[@RikkeDK1996]

im on 2500 hours and im still not even remotely close to being tired or jaded of BG3. so much replay-ability. Meanwhile couldn't even get past 10 hours for Veilguard. What a horrible game.

[@Kinger_of_the_circus]

Dead ass🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kristianthaler6525]

"Intelligence is in short supply" your words ring true, Commander Lightfeather.

[@sourkefir]

Even if not in the original sense, the truth remains.

[@ricardozk]

Which is ironic coming from a bird brain

[@yanivproselkov1025]

Good fucking Christ at 4:35 your options are "supportive, commiseratingly supportive, and sternly supportive". No... disagreement? No... roleplaying? No... actual problems beyond mild therapy?

[@sped325]

the lip syncing is even off

[@britt6184]

Meanwhile in BG3 you can be a complete a-hole to all of your companions and even dispose of them in various ways.

[@QuackenInsanity]

Also love how they selected a different option from "you are a dragon slayer" and yet Rook still said it, word for word, anyway.

[@Noisivus]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@britt6184in dragon age origins you could do that. I saw an ad for veilguard that said “a truly generational game” and thought yeah, that’s about right.

[@A1strid]

Dragon Age Veilguard budget: over 250 million dollars Baldurs Gate 3 budget: roughly 100 million dollars Just thought I’d leave this here for comedic effect

[@nalrashido]

Wait WHAT?!

[@DrGru]

😂😂damn

[@Jinisinsane]

Lol they couldve made 2 baldurs gates and a dlc.

[@PriyaPans]

Don't forget the number of patches and constant game improvements for a game that basically is a time time cost thing. And the new content that's added with many patches like the next one with the new subclasses ... For free. ​@@Jinisinsane

[@TheRandomKady]

Passion and fan love ... is the difference bioware dont care about life long fans anymore

[@evil_cupcake2386]

It's a really sad time when a rat are more interesting as a character then all of cast in Bioware game

[@Kaesemesser0815]

Well, rats are intelligent animals. Far-leftists... not so much

[@kiboma4209]

​@@Kaesemesser0815you know Baldurs gate is woke as well right? Very horny game with many gay interactions yet the game was good enough that even anti woke youtubers like synthetic man still said the game was good

[@Kaesemesser0815]

@@kiboma4209 Nah... these games are worlds apart when it come to deranged woke perversion

[@TheEntryCode]

To be fair, I think Larian gives the rats in their games too many of the good lines lol

[@Tenchigo100]

It's crazy how Dragon age Veilguard is literally a linear ass game so they had so much room to make the game just packed full of choices.... But it's just 3 different ways to say "Yes."

[@garroshhellscream594]

I can't recall any real choice. Minrathie or Treviso just level down the approbation of one companion, the quest you do is the exact same lame quest, and besides that, there's not much related to it.

[@GamingProspector84]

Majority of the dialogue options I see are: “yes”, “no”, or “maybe…” 🤦‍♂️

[@StBrodes]

And the stern 'Yes' options you do get are usually less mean than their selection prompt implies. God forbid that the devs let you be mean in a rated-M video game. I can only wonder what games these blue-haired soyboys grew up playing, if any.

[@Blisterdude123]

@@GamingProspector84 I don't remember a single instance off the top of my head where, in this allegedly role playing game, I was permitted the luxury of saying 'no' to anything.

[@robertagren9360]

Yes

[@QueenSyndel]

The way taash hits on women is so creepy you’d think she’d be on the offenders list.

[@wardeni4806]

If Taash was a male character then all the gaming media would be up in outrage writing articles about how disgusting and creepy the character is. But because Taash is a "they/them," it's suddenly virtuous

[@ВладРыцарь-з3ь]

This rotten world is rotten through and through.

[@Amaroq64]

I bet the real life person she's based on is on the list.

[@AR-bj5et]

'It's ok, modern gamers totally simp for dommy muscle mommies now; she'll be a huge hit!'

[@Thisーcannotーcontinue]

That's an IT not a she

[@dredgenheresy]

Veilguard dialogue feels like it’s ripped from a therapy session

[@AGB2223]

Won’t surprise me, with how many therapy sessions to fix self-made problems they had to take? they probably took more time there than actually doing some writting sessions or trying to think on ideas that wouldn’t force another HR netting for being too toxic or sexist in their writting.

[@JannetFenix]

But one sponsored by better help

[@ythandlename]

I was forced to skip through a boring PR video at work about proper etiquette in the workplace and those videos had more life to whatever Veilguard was trying.

[@inscrutablemungus4143]

It's worse lmao. It's ripped from my work's DEI 'training' modules. "Taash is having a rough day with her gender identity. How should _you_ talk to her as a responsible employee of our oh-so-inclusive orgainization to make her feel better?"

[@youneverknow111]

and they sound like degenerates

[@Nyrufa]

"I'm a crappy Qunari" - Taash, you're a Tal-Vashoth. And calling you that is an insult to Tal-Vashoth everywhere.

[@New_Dawn73]

Honestly, I wish we could say that to her in the game because she is one. Her mother is one

[@ethanduncan1646]

​@@New_Dawn73I genuinely liked Taash's mom far more than her spawn as a character. Her mom struggling to be a good mother or understand the world outside of her former religion is imo a good idea for a character.

[@frost3533]

​@@ethanduncan1646 be careful saying anything good about this game on the Internet, that's the fast track to a witch hunt right about now

[@New_Dawn73]

@ oh same her mother seemed like a very good mother she sacrificed everything for her daughter yet her daughter didn’t appreciate any of it

[@user-ek7xm3hu1w]

​@@ethanduncan1646but she ended up to be a woke mother. I would prefer Taash to be a real woman. Unfortunately, the story is linear.

[@NewtonSparetire]

When the dinosaur apologized for almost killing everyone i was blown away by how much i instantly adored him as a character and hunted for more interactions in the circus. BG3 is the best written game ive ever played in my life

[@cuircuircuirmoustache]

Go play Disco Elysium👌 very good written and an excellent game

[@gaetanhillion8342]

@@cuircuircuirmoustache Yeah, the mc is a tie ^^.

[@sonofedis]

Even the dwarven dude who only says "Enchantment!" in DA Origins has better lines than Taash

[@TheLastYeoganian]

That's crazy for you to even say because you're right bro. On some level I can understand what the dwarven dude was saying even though all he was saying was enchantment. Like there is room for interpretation within his tone and cadence. Even if there was no nuance it felt like there was nuance

[@graysonbaker1744]

Of course Sandal was better. The VA was Yuri Lowenthal

[@robertagren9360]

Never think I would consider it the case that someone who can't talk is better than one that talk trash

[@jimijenkins2548]

And let us never forget his heart-rending line in Denerim: "Enchantment?"

[@Lowdian]

A room full of dead darkspawn. A dwarven lad in the middle of it, covered in blood. "Sandal! How did you manage to do all this?" Him, with a whimsical look and a confident tone in his voice: "Enchantments"

[@EveIndra]

His Majesty is more memorable and emotionally moving than all the DAV companions

[@Konpekikaminari]

That "Hiss! I say, HISS!" was legit one of the best intro lines in the game

[@TheTraveler980]

8:50 "Who the FUCK starts a converstation like that, you _just_ sat down!"

[@AlternateKek]

Tassh legitimately grosses me out

[@sub-jec-tiv]

Sex pest energy

[@haku8135]

Her voice actor's total inability to growl is really the icing on the cake. The baker is Nurgle by the way.

[@Leon_SKennnedy]

Taash' face genuinely makes me uncomfortable

[@nutsmasher420]

she’s so annoying

[@jackhazardous4008]

Her romance is literally straight out of a teen romance Manga. Just anime tropes all the way with her

[@Nyzer_]

I don't even mind that they wanted to write a companion who was quirky, a little childlike, and rather inexperienced. The problem is that seems to be almost all of them, and your character is the parent figure teaching them how to interact with other people. And most of them are experienced enough that they shouldn't be written like this! It makes it feel like so many of these conversations aren't actually coming from the characters, but coming from a cast of teenagers that are playing them in a game of D&D. It makes them completely unsuited to the type of story that's being told.

[@doombybbr]

Last I checked the average teenager has better conversations about more important things when they play dnd

[@wil.d_sage]

Close. Its coming from 30 year old writers who never have real authentic conversations because they never talk to anyone

[@ashtangle]

I know people say HR was in the room when they wrote Veilguard, but im pretty sure HR wrote it with the help of AI.

[@TheLastYeoganian]

Bro I don't even think AI could write this bad. And if they used AI it's because they weren't writers at all. AI generally be as good or around about as good as the person using it. These were either made by Gen Z writers who just got the job and have never written anything worthwhile in their life, or it was written by HR with AI who have never written anything in their life because I still think that even members of HR could have some nuance every now and then.

[@georgeray1906]

​@@TheLastYeoganian Yeah and even dialogue made by AI can sound natural with some tidying up by human writers.

[@torshec8634]

You know it's not fair, animals may not have souls according to the Qun, but comparing them to the soulless writing about some hipster's Medieval Starbucks Fanfiction is not fair to the former.

[@loserinasuit7880]

Animals don't have souls in major real religions either to be fair to the Qun.

[@Ben-jl2rh]

​@@loserinasuit7880But that thing doesn't have a soul IMO

[@narnia1233]

They may not have souls but they still have sense. Which is 1 for the animals vs 0 for the hipster.

[@AVerySmallTinyMinisculeH-bc1lv]

@loserinasuit7880 If you’re referring to Christianity, unless the Church taught otherwise it is believed plants and animals have souls but they were not promised eternal life. They have “simple” souls that pass when the body dies.

[@loserinasuit7880]

@AVerySmallTinyMinisculeH-bc1lv Neither have souls, this isn't animism

[@arklaw8306]

That last crow was more violent in his speech than any of the "villains" in Veilguard.

[@BarsusDraco]

EVERY partymemeber in Bg3 (With the exception of Minsc, who is pure and innocent) is more violent than the villains in Veilguard.

[@arklaw8306]

@@BarsusDraco Yeah, Boo is more violent than most too, but Minsc keeps him in check.

[@delta2372]

​​@@BarsusDraco I went down the light side redeemed bahlspwan path but from some of the things I've seen, you can turn some of your companions into complete psychopaths. BG3 has the same amount of woke garbage as DAV but, BG3 atleast has quality and you can be evil and depraved if you so choose which makes picking the good options better. DAV you have no choice but to be Mr nice marvel friendly man, oh sorry, non binary person who leads the veilguard.

[@Farron6]

'Commander Lightfeather, we have cringe enemies on the frontier, they're ruining our stories and games !' 'Intelligence is in short supply. Don't you worry we won't lose one more beak to the blighter'

[@TVMAN1997]

I would follow Commander Lightfeather through all nine layers of hell

[@PrismTheKid]

Ive yet to dip into Baldurs Gate 3 and you've completely sold me on it, kudos. Hope this thing pretending to still be Bioware gets shut down soon

[@militant_daisies]

you won't regret it. it's a masterpiece.

[@jakeryan2805]

Truly? Do wast anymore time watch videos on shit dragon age and go play a real rpg. You won't regret bg3. Take it slow.

[@apharys8921]

What's really crazy is all this dialogue is missable, you need an ability to talk to animals. Hell, half the BG3 clips I've seen on KZbin I never saw in game.

[@jakeryan2805]

@@apharys8921 yep gotta chug those animal potions, or pick that ability up in character creation. I say its a mist have ability in Larian games. Even in Divinity original sin all their animals are voiced.

[@shellsmith831]

Come join us. We are having a blast.

[@lordheartless8396]

Without having to play I'd consider Veilguard an insincere parody of DA written by people with the mental age of angsty teens muddling the characters with their lacking personalities.

[@DuskenWillow]

That's it. I just remembered where Taash's uncomfortable growl thing comes from. It's every elementary/middle school girl in their werewolf/vampire obsession mimicking a growl. This reasoning follows in every interaction. With Taash taking on the 'predator role' a fantasizing~ teen might have. Then there's Taash's actual voice direction. I have a sister who took on being trans for a year or two. During this period, she would intentionally lower and restrain her voice in a similar way to what we hear from Taash. It was uncomfortable to hear as it was just too forced.

[@lordheartless8396]

@DuskenWillow Forgot about Twilight and similars influence. Good catch was too occupied suffering second hand embarassment. That gives more insight into the self insert nature of Taash.

[@dillis2188]

@@lordheartless8396 To be fair, the werewolf/vampire obsession predates Twilight. I knew a girl who would claim to freak out on full moons and transform and stuff several years before the books/movies.

[@panwu6602]

I can't stress enough how much I hate Traash.

[@Fivept48]

My autocorrect spells it trash without trying lmao

[@StBrodes]

​@@Fivept48It may as well be Trash. I honestly misread it as such during the character trailer cuz a smoke effect that went over the first "A" made it look an "R" 😂

[@vinince]

@@StBrodes lmao same here

[@chilbiyito]

​@@jackyjackson604ok gooner

[@mrturbo84]

The lack of self-awareness from the Writers is crazy. Realy Nobody mentioned Taash is one letter away from Trash?

[@Oozaru85]

BG3 feels like a real fantasy world. The writing reflects this perfectly. DAV feels like some modern DA adaptation written by middle schoolers. Its just bad.

[@MiGujack3]

It feels like cosplaying humans from our world trying to act in a fantasy world.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

@@MiGujack3spot on!

[@StBrodes]

They sound like quirky liberal arts majors from California.

[@RikkeDK1996]

@@MiGujack3 Traash being a furry for sure with those cringe growls

[@dzn9338]

BG1 and BG2 have much more fantasy world feeling in it IMHO.

[@anonymoususer208]

Dragon age characters cry about stupid stuff without doing anything to progress the plot Baldur’s gate 3 - animals being one of the iconic parts of the game

[@BarsusDraco]

Especially Tara with Gale. Their 10-15 Minutes of dialogue they have is far more entertaining than anything in Dragon Age: The Veilguard.

[@redumbreon7422]

Why does a rat have more humanity and charm than major characters

[@lightpoint4426]

I have over 1000 hours in BG3. I have never seen Skittle, or the badger. ...That game is amazing.

[@NVNNN]

wtf have you been doing all this time? Drinking minthara’s bathwater?

[@Imman1s]

@@NVNNN Is not that easy; to meet that badger you need to make sure Jaheira survives and joins your party, then find her house in the lower city, find and unlock the hidden basement, bypass all the traps then finally meet with the informant animals. From what I recall, there is no specific marker for her house, you need to find and talk with the girl practicing with the sword while having Jaheira in on your party. So that one fairly obscure and could be missed easily. Skittle is reasonably easier to meet... but you don't have any particular reason to talk to him, and getting the speak with animals ritual is relatively costly for some classes. So missing him should be a fairly common occurrence.

[@DarkHero526]

I was hoping for cat Malta to appear. Man, what a pleasant suprise it was when I first met him in BG3.

[@socratese5]

Baldurs gate is number ten on Steam right now, LOL they caused a resurgence in people who wanted to play a good RPG, I’m sure Larian appreciates it. 😊 Meanwhile Dragons Age is number 32 right now 😬

[@PrismTheKid]

I'm more mesmerised by the art style. Why does Harding look worse than Ogre Fiona from Shrek? Everyone is really bulbous and unappealing, its like outdated CG from an old animated movie

[@GamingProspector84]

“Fortnite graphics” ~ everyone looks like clay / plastic toys and not real people even in a fantasy world. Fortnite graphics for its game make sense because its age bracket is 10 to 30yos. DAV should look more gritty and have its own tinge color palette but we know why.

[@StBrodes]

​@@GamingProspector84They really should have just made it a new rated-T IP and just cut out the blood and gore. There was practically none anyway.

[@jimijenkins2548]

@@StBrodes Compare that to Origins, with the ogre execution sending gouts of blood onto your probably half dead party.

[@felyneinavaultsuit]

And Taash looks like a Fallout Nightkin trying to do the Handsome Squidward face

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

​@@felyneinavaultsuitlmao

[@oblivionfan345Tony]

"OH MAM. I CANT EVEN SLAY DRAGONS WITHOUT MY COFFEE FIRST!!!" I hate Failguard so much it's unreal.

[@spakermanplays2much]

if you cover your eyes and just listen you won't be able to tell apart harding from bellara...

[@HanYolo2]

the VA Director deserves a lot of blame here. both characters overact every single line with the dynamic inflections and over-enunciation. their delivery is so similar, it must have been the direction they were given

[@figloalds]

Baldur's Gate 3 was written by true RPG enthusiasts, not a bunch of basement dwelling terminally online activists

[@SOSO_CREPITUS]

Basements are cool. Online activists aren’t.

[@thenerdbird5596]

A lot of classics came from basements, it's the mentality that ruins everything.

[@lavishlyvice]

i'm with the basement defenders on this one. basements are not to blame for the failings of the people inhabiting them

[@eastbow6053]

@@lavishlyvice true this people dont inhabit basements they inhabit universities xD

[@SOSO_CREPITUS]

@@eastbow6053 bingo

[@AndyMacster]

I just know that Cazador's actor absolutely adored playing Commander Lightfeather too. From a truly evil, egomaniac Vampire all the way to playing the most righteous leader of the skies. 😆

[@4thsin098]

None of the animals in BG3 started the conversation with "I'm non-binary.", that makes all animals in BG3 written better than one of the most important characters in Failguard.

[@robertagren9360]

Taash: I'm mass murderer. Killing dragons.

[@DarthDevorin]

Commander Lightfeather reminds me of the old rooster in Chicken Run.

[@Noxthedunmer]

I was just thinking about that

[@maidenofiron]

I thought the same thing top! Talk about a blast to the past.

[@VisivisiV]

They seriously put in an entire conversation about "some people don't enjoy coffee black" in a AAA medieval fantasy game about slaying dragons? And they even made it go exactly the same as it would at the water cooler in the most boring stereotype of an office. Truly amazing.

[@THExDUFFxBOMBx42777]

6:10 good lord, the rat squeaked when he chuckled. That’s insane if it’s intentional.

[@Kenshin6321]

To be fair though, the animals in Baldur's Gate 3 are peak.

[@Taveren]

even the intentionally bad rat puns are superbly done

[@TheLastYeoganian]

What's crazy to me is that the vilguard dialogue while it sounds bad wouldn't be as bad if it didn't feel like it just abruptly stopped for somebody to talk about their trauma. Don't get me wrong, it's terrible, but for some reason whenever a character seems to start giving a talk or a speech that the other characters just start trauma dumping or they'll give some stupid piece of exposition about coffee or feeling small. Like what the hell?

[@NewtonSparetire]

The characters in veilguard sound like teenagers.

[@killer3000ad]

Probably cause they were written by immature liberal arts college brats from Canada.

[@doombybbr]

not just any teenagers, the really dumb ones that nobody else in the school likes.

[@midnightw127]

Every veilguard conversation sounds like they’re trying to have some kind of quirky/relatable therapy session, except none of them are mental health professionals and none of it sounds like it’s even taking place in a high fantasy setting.

[@jeremygeller9145]

TELL ME BHAALSPAWN ARE YOU READY TO FOLLOW COMMANDER LIGHTFEATHER INTO THE JAWS OF HELL!!

[@zombino778]

The team dialogue is really bizarre, you either get dull office anecdotes or infantile therapy sessions.All of it is just warped workplace identity talking points forced upon employees and customers by corporate. Content creaters aren't wrong when they say that HR were in the writers room at all times.

[@huntermeldrum6444]

12:54 Taash’s cringe dragons don’t have kings line 13:00 the most based Raven put in a video game.

[@britt6184]

Putting that bird right after the last Taash scene was perfect.

[@ZxxDOKERxxZ]

7:38 fucking hell this is so cringy it actually hurts

[@TheLastYeoganian]

you didn't have to put a timestamp man lmao, I didn't want to watch that again

[@jaaltheangel1952]

The growl hurts my soul every time 😭

[@azurechen123]

Aggressively creepy, i dont know anybody that would turn on to that😨

[@junechevalier]

Just one line by commander lightfeather and the entire Veilguard falls apart

[@turtlegod98]

It's not even just the piss poor writing that's grating. The voice acting's just a bunch of California college kids voicing what's likely their self-inserts and trying to be funny.

[@wolfofragnarok1]

Now in fairness to this clip a lot of them are from Harding. The actress is the same one that did Liara in Mass Effect. So it's likely also bad direction and scripting.

[@StBrodes]

​@@wolfofragnarok1That's Liara?! Christ they wasted her talent. What a shitshow.

[@kopiseduh9767]

​@@wolfofragnarok1 I'll also add unconvincing animation to this

[@Kashi-qo8ik]

The actors are mostly good in other stuff, the direction is what’s awful. You can tell they were all told to speak over exaggerated and weird and GOTG style

[@kinbolluck476]

​@Kashi-qo8ik yeah it must be the direction, over the top friendly childspeak

[@BarsusDraco]

Tara's very few dialogues (She has probably 10-15 minutes of dialogue if you play as Gale and slightly less with Tav) is far, far, FAR more entertaining and well-written than anything that The Failguard offers.

[@Imman1s]

She stays in character the entire #@$# game. Something that the writers of the Veilguard have no clue how to do. Also, there is a lot about her personality and her relationship with Gale that is never explicitly said, but is conveyed perfectly (for instance, if you talk to her as Gale in the rooftop, he doesn't even scold her or ask her to leave unless prodded by Tav)

[@ACastaigne]

Commander Lightfeather in Baldur's Gate and Steelclaw in Moonrise Towers were my favourite animals in BG3, with an honourable mention for the Addled Frog near Auntie Ethel's lair.

[@Dreadhorizon]

That white crow at the end seems to be talking to Taash.

[@BruderSenf]

skittle, my esteemed merchant of great renown, hows ya dae?

[@laylam.9314]

Not even on their knees is Traash worthy of facing Commander Lightfeather

[@hanzojapa]

The BG3 characters talk like people of the time, Veilguard talk like is 2024

[@annaavertho4944]

I know no one who talks like that...well except AI maybe

[@cjc2010]

Veilguard ain’t fantasy. They all talk like my Gen Z coworkers lol.

[@RKNGL]

When Taash Skibidid that toilet.

[@heshamali1886]

Baldur's Gate 3 is one of the 2 games that consistently makes me smile, whether it's Minthara's sharp remarks, the noble cats, or Githyanki curiously asking, "What is a cat?"

[@beleagueredbeluga5228]

The bird in BG3 that tells you some eagles stole his nest, so he asks you to take it back for him? That lying bird convinced me at first, but then he pissed me off. Turned out the bird never had a nest, and he only wanted us to kill the huge eagles so he can steal one of their huge nests. Shouldve thrown a fireball at that bird, but those eagles attacked me after telling them I came in peace, so I suppose they had to die anyways.

[@Imman1s]

Lol, the Karen eagle you mean. Even her short dialog conveyed her personality perfectly. But you are right, that blue jay is such asshole that even if you take down the eagles with non-lethal attacks, he sweeps down and kill them anyway. I whish there was a way to capture him and release him in the shadow-cursed lands. You know, just to see if Larian accounted for that :p

[@Saerise]

“She’s eating the pigeons, Gale! Tell her to stop!”

[@UsernameNotTaken2]

What... are those choices....? She drank the coffee, she doesn't like the coffee, you have three options Which are basically... 1. Call her out 2. Call her out 3. Call her out

[@ChristophelusPulps]

I love how all of the dialogue options in DAtVG are like, "Enthusiastic Affirmation," "Firm Affirmation," or "Gentle Affirmation." Rarely can you tell one of your whiny, childish companions that you're not their dad or their therapist and they should grow the hell up.

[@Aedrion-]

I just noticed that this Harding isn't Harding. The REAL Harding wouldn't lie to make people like her, she was just honest and real with you the whole way in Inquisition. She was likeable because she was to down to earth.

[@RustedCrown11]

DAV writing feels like a teenage girl's fanfic, i cant stand it...

[@chillzzz6624]

This is exactly it. Your main character has major feminine energy in all the dialogue options even the "stern" options. Its by design

[@VikCachat]

After watching DAV clipd that's actually an insult to teenage girls.

[@sumbuddy4088]

I still chuckle a bit over Crimson the spiny red dinosaur locked up in a circus being more intellectual than the clowns keeping him in his cage.

[@MZ-tq3dv]

The dialogue in the fail guard sounds so forced and out of placed, seriously I've never heard of anyone talking about coffee like that, but that pigeon is a little legend

[@JDydgi]

"Mewr merr, murrmew?°" °are you my mama "Uuuuhyeh. Yes! Am mama!" *"MEOWRMAAA!!"*

[@sol-hunter2332]

Veilguard feels like an educational childrens show

[@a.m.d.5154]

What's even better about the first scene at 0:43 is that the music kicks in with perfect timing.

[@spakermanplays2much]

awww, how adorable, poor little taash throwing a tantrum... very relatable huh?

[@blank7508]

In just this video alone i skipped the DA dialogue seconds after it started but the second an BG animal starts talking i lock in

[@witerunguard1737]

I love how all the animals (especially the cats) in bg3 sound exactly like you think they would

[@joshuapatrick682]

A pun loving rat has more personality than all the characters of a BioWare game. This is the world I live in, but I am from a timeline when BioWare wrote way better than they do now. Yikes.

[@bigfellowjamarcus6271]

13:00 why do i get the feeling that this is peoples feelings towards the Dragon Age writing lol

[@Von545]

1400 hours in bg3 and I've never met Skittle! What have I been doing this whole time? 😭

[@CrazyStarr_]

Every time the white raven spoke at the end I was expecting to hear lightning or a vine boom.

[@redrum_1ghjh]

bg3 reminds me of old movies like The Three Musketeers, Monty Python while Dragon Age reminds of those Disney teen shows that is filled with supposedly edgy humors and awkwardly forced wholesome moments.

[@Xorthis]

Is Taash purposefully written to be a character you always feel worried about interacting with because you're scared of triggering yet more anger?

[@lucasterable]

0:00 devs' coffee break in he office. 2:46 dev talks about her first day in highschool 5:01 "stop whining" cut 6:34 dev getting mad at photocopier machine 7:06 dev trying to get ChatGTP to write some C++ code for them 7:37 obligatory non-pretty lesbian pandering 8:48 dev coming out during dinner with her christian family 9:32 dev being a fickle One Piece reader

[@dieuwtjin]

Which makes it even better, as writing animals is probably harder than writing humanoids.

[@hudsonps4669]

The coffee conversation would be fine if they didn’t have to sound so artificially happy. It feels almost dystopian, everyone acting like one of the care bears. “Maybe coffee just isn’t my thiiiiinnngg”. 😐

[@Deadman6]

That’s how you talk to somebody in a Mundane office space, not someone who you talk to after you killed scores and scores of unholy demons born from r*pe.

[@Gortinthefields]

"Intelligence is in short supply" - Commander Lightfeather.

[@Raze4283]

Why is Traash so obsessed with what other's smell like? 🤢

[@AR-bj5et]

'Hey it got people talking when Lae'zel did it, the gamers will love it for sure!'

[@Thisーcannotーcontinue]

Trash takes inspiration from Joe Biden

[@nightc0red]

The fact that there is a bird in BG3 who told me everyone hates me told me all I needed to know.

[@spiraling_madness]

It was awfully nice of Bioware to make people remember how good Dragon Age Origins was so we would go out play it again😊

[@Sas-ym4gg]

It’s the voice acting quality - not the voice quality but using different vernacular instead of speaking 20th century american.

[@RealMarvinGaye]

The voice acting in DA:V is also pretty bad. Which stinks cause you have a really good voice actor for Harding, but her talent was wasted due to bad writing, directing, and scripting.

[@Prince_Smugarina]

To leave his Majesty out of this throttling mockery of Veilguard..... HISS, I SAY, HISS!!!

[@heartlessface]

Veilguard's writing base on what I've seen is almost focus on character's ego too much which make me feel they're trying to get player's sympathy than focus on the game's story, that's why I'm not feel good whenever a character start to say something, it's not fun, it's more stressful than usual

[@evakhaan]

talking to characters in this game is like walking past a homeless disabled person who begs for money. you always give him money, but after a million times this situation starts to stress you out, and the money runs out. but if you refuse, you will feel like a bad person. and this feeling is exploited by the game. so the atmosphere in the team feels very toxic.

[@MesieurOjete]

Intelligence is in short supply indeed