Tesla FSD 13.2.2 - Suburban Gauntlet vs v12.6

[@zachb1706]

I was losing confidence in Tesla’s ability to attain FSD by the end of v12, but v13 has revived my confidence. And we’re starting to see other companies react, like GM and Google.

[@Frankman232]

How did you do that little thing that makes “v12” a link to search? It’s interesting.

[@zachb1706]

@ must be a new Google ai feature, I can’t see it

[@Frankman232]

@@zachb1706 it turned it blue with a little magnifying glass there. Never seen it before.

[@farrishaddad5570]

Always posting the content we NEEDED before we even knew we needed it! 🙏

[@DaisyVision15016]

Great idea to benchmark v12.6 and v13.2 on same route. Results were illuminating. Thank you.

[@ankitnayyar7785]

Really nice narration and comparison of both versions. Really appreciate your videos. Having a HW3 Model X here as well, it is a bit frustrating to not have FSD V 13. Still waiting on 12.6 and it sounds good based on your assessments but I cant wait till they can figure out how to get V13 on our cars. I also much appreciated that you didn't go out and buy a new Model X just to get a HW4 upgrade (as many of the other youtubers have done). Will cont to follow your updates on FSD as its always been the best on youtube I feel, esp with ongoing HW3 FSD coverage!

[@RonnieDenburg]

Great, great comparison. Thank you!

[@stephencampbell9095]

I’m not sure what’s going on with speed limit signs. On V11 it would recognize most limit signs (including a 5mph sign in my neighborhood), V12 was so so, and V13 does not see many of the speed changes both on city streets and highways. There is also a stop sign on a high speed road that it doesn’t slow comfortably enough for me to not take over. I have let the car approach with no traffic and had mixed results from slamming the breaks at the last moment to totally ignoring it. Thanks for the great videos. I enjoy seeing the experience others are having with FSD.

[@montymonto6430]

This is heartening as you seem to be quite happy with 13.2 whereas I did not feel that on your 12.5 and prior videos. I'm sure you put a lot of thought into your test drives and that gives us ability to gauge progress. Hope to see better than human unsupervised (14?) before the end of year. Thanks.

[@davidhamed792]

Anticipating that runner crossing was pretty amazing

[@princeofexcess]

timestamp?

[@davidhamed792]

@ right before the final turn , it was a pedestrian / runner

[@raulgil8459]

Excellent!!! Thanks Holding on to my stock 😎

[@Frankman232]

I’ve noticed that the car seems to be turning on the headlights when on curvy roads or in less than ideal visual conditions, for maximum possible visibility for other drivers. Very cool to see those small details for safety. At 18:43, you can see it turn off the headlights when visibility is better. You can also see it earlier in the video when it made that unprotected left turn where that other car parked illegally, it turns on the headlights for the turn and turns them off right away afterwards. It’s the little details like that which impress me the most.

[@georgepelton5645]

Nice to have comparison of 12.6 on HW3 to 13.2 on HW4. I love the scenic suburban and undeveloped routes in this drive, and the smooth narration. V13 is quickly becoming boring, a very good development.

[@davidkendall2272]

Congratulations on seeing your 12.6 assessment summary X post highlighted on "Electrified" Totally agree with 12.6 being 13 light except HWY performance.

[@erict6464]

I think FSD relies on navigation data for speed limits now, and sign-reading in general still seems unsolved. My car (M3, AI4) always ignores new, easy-to-see speed signs, and ignores most no-turn signs (left and right) that aren't already there in nav data.

[@kungfoochicken08]

I have an M3 AI3 and speed seems to be based on signs for me. It's not unusual to turn down a country road and the car will default thinking the limit is 25mph until it sees a sign. This happens right outside of my neighborhood for about a mile in either direction.

[@garyland3168]

Great comparison. Still anxious to get 12.6. Thanks.

[@kenhiett5266]

Waiting for 12.6 as well. Hoping the lagging speed (in relation to preference settings) and phantom braking through intersections issues get resolved. Overall I'm still pleased with the latest versions improvements for HW3.

[@udontknowme4057]

Great video. You are now my go-to for Tesla/FSD updates and reviews.

[@rambo321]

loved the comparison videos ... really nice job, thanks

[@izzid049]

Highlighted pedestrian crossing safety computing ahead 😊

[@Simon-rt3qu]

I’ve seen FSD ignore Sat Nav directions on occasions where it doesn’t make sense. Would be curious to see what it would have done if you started it from the SuC. Great video regardless. 👍

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

Would you use v13 with family? With previous versions you said you wouldn’t. 🤔

[@BlackTesla]

Yes v13

[@kungfoochicken08]

I use 12.5.4.2 with my wife in the car and haven't had any real issues. I'll preemptively take over on some unprotected left turns, and I hover my foot over the accelerator so I'm ready for any phantom breaking or hesitation through turns. The glare issue is a bit annoying about an hour before sunset too.

[@AnythingMike]

Can you post a side by side video to have a visual comparison.

[@dougjohnson5947]

"No problem. We'll get there.". :) 😁

[@mikemulrooney4824]

Good vid. Great watch

[@johnchristopher7697]

Great video! As always!

[@DonsWoodies]

Good to see improvements in self driving cars. What a timeline we're in. Question about the yoke. I think it would be something I'd like. Have you ever been in a situation where you had to take the wheel and it was in an awkward position to grab and thus made you rethink the decision to have it instead of a normal wheel? I've wondered about that possible scenario.

[@BlackTesla]

You get used to it pretty quick. The only thing that's awkward is not being able to let the yoke slip through your hands when powering out of a turn. Otherwise it's not a problem even in urgen situations

[@DonsWoodies]

@@BlackTesla Thanks for the quick reply. Good to hear it isn't a real issue.

[@AlexWall-z5n]

did you play any of the arcade racing games

[@iowa_don]

So far in my 2021+ Model S with FSD 12.6 I have gone through seven school zones and FSD recognized exactly ONE of them. A sad 14.2 percent. It has to do better than that.

[@BlackTesla]

Active school zones?

[@iowa_don]

@@BlackTesla Yes indeed. FIve of the flashing yellow light variety, two of the 15 MPH signs in the roadway variety.

[@MaxMoser-d8l]

Great video. Way to go FSD 13. This looks like NJ, is it?

[@cwbh10]

Super excited for this video. Will ya also make a side by side for highlights in both videos so its easier to compare?

[@BlackTesla]

Will try

[@erwile]

I think The smoothness of v13 is in part due to the higher framerate only possible with HW4. Maybe with only more training distilled from a V13 version could help. But when v13 gets bigger, it will be hard for HW3 to compete

[@kungfoochicken08]

Smoothness is just from faster compute and a better controller. v13 should be possible with existing cameras from AI3. Question is whether they can optimize v13 enough to get it to work on AI3 computer.

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[@bener289]

Have you done videos in Passaic, Paterson, Hawthorne and more of Clifton? I wonder if FSD can handle some of the more difficult roads there

[@BlackTesla]

I have but will be redoing them with both 12.6 and 13.2

[@highskyproductions764]

Never have had a curb issue with Model 3, I think it’s because for S and X the software is grafted from 3 and Y. An if the software is from S and X the 3 is smaller so has more space.

[@originalambival]

V13.2.2 is a real game changer. It’s gone from party trick to something I use daily.

[@DerekDavis213]

13.2.2 is still a party trick. 100 percent supervision required, and miss takes when driving in busy big cities. Full autonomy is still far away.

[@kungfoochicken08]

@@DerekDavis213 I'm still on 12.5.4.2 and I use it for 95% of my driving. It's most of the way there. Unprotected left turns are a little wonky sometimes and right turns at night can be a bit mechanical. Speed profiles in 12.6 will fix the speed issues. FSD takes out 90% of the stress of driving for me. It very much feels like you're just supervising someone who only has a few years of experience driving a car.

[@TCRS16]

@@DerekDavis213It's doing pretty well in big cities like New York... kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6CzYY2mbLV2mrMsi=GaFRYKo2HYBYy_85

[@DerekDavis213]

@@kungfoochicken08 95% of your driving is nowhere even close to a Level 5 full autonomy solution. If FSD is 95 percent capable, a human is 99.99 percent capable. If you cannot trust FSD with your life, then you might as well drive the car yourself .

[@kungfoochicken08]

@ I trust it with my life 95% of the time. Its failures are rather consistent and predictable. It struggles with judgment calls on unprotected turns. It’ll hesitate and abort a turn in the middle of the turn. The biggest threat with this is being rear ended because the car behind you isn’t expecting you to slam on your brakes in the middle of the turn. You can get a feel for when it’s going to hesitate and just tape the accelerator to “push” it into committing on the turn, It doesn’t do anything crazy like randomly leave the lane or accelerate uncontrollably. There’s nothing that it would randomly do that would put your life at risk.

[@Rene-uz3eb]

For fsd eg in taxi or full hands off, here's a suggestion: allow it on precertified routes, only, for now. Otherwise they'll spend the next 5 years ironing out the last 0.3% before they can let the cars off the rails. These routes must have been driven successfully within 24h or so, without an intervention if on fsd, or simply driven manually to at least show this is a valid route. This removes corner cases like not reading road signs properly etc. Of course you'd collect the data from the fleet in real time. For ownership, that would mean you get to drive your commute hands free easy. For taxi, you can't get all possible A to B routes, but via software you can just splice validated routes that overlap, to get a virtual certified route.

[@minhktu8]

I like that idea. They can start by creating a count on routes with zero intervention. This can be stored locally on each car. This will also allow the fsd user to have disengagement data which will give them a better understanding of what fsd is weak at.

[@1flash3571]

That isn't how you do full self driving with all the CONDITIONS, EXCEPTIONS, etc. Might as well as write more lines in the software to have "IF this, then DO this"....That is going backwards in how they write the software. Just imagine writing ALL the possible exceptions, routes, and other "if this, then do that" in the software.....That would be like adding regulations over the many years and instead of it being 100 pages, now it is over 2000 pages....that is what would happen with allowing only the drives on a precertified routes...

[@1flash3571]

@@minhktu8 And how are they gonna write that part in the SOFTWARE on the FSD????? Are you SERIOUS???????

[@MrVopt]

I havn’t seen any iisues with curbs with my model Y running 13.2.2.12. While I was driving though, Tim Hortons ate my rim 😢

[@iowa_don]

I have also noticed additional problematic behavior with FSD 12.6 on my 2021+ HW3 Model S. To wit: 1. Turning from a 35 MPH side street onto a 45 MPH main street, FSD thinks the speed limit is 35 until it finally "sees" a 45 MPH sign about a quarter mile down the road. Not good when cars are coming up behind you at 45. 2. Turning from a 45 MPH main street onto another 45 MPH main street, FSD thinks the speed limit is 35 until it "sees" a 45 MPH sign. Again, cars coming up behind are doing 45 MPH. 3. On a right turn, it frequently does a little steering yoke "hiccup" partway through the turn as it "thinks" it might be a little too close to the curb.

[@BlackTesla]

1. That's the way Tesla speed limit signs reading works. It needs to see the limit to adjust in MOST cases. 2. If a car is fast approaching it will go past the speed limit to keep in flow. 3. This is the issue where i believe the system is trained on model 3 and they put this micro-correction in for S/X.

[@iowa_don]

@@BlackTesla That is NOT how FSD 12.5.4.2 or earlier versions worked for me. Also it is clear that FSD does not really "read" signs at all. Sometimes, for temporary construction zones it does, other times it clearly does not. One road I regularly travel on has the speed limit go from 45 to 35. FSD blithely goes past the first 35 MPH limit sign keeping its limit at 45. Then when it gets to the second 35 MPH sign it finally changes. There is definitely speed limit data in the maps that is far from correct. In a residential area near my house, FSD 12.5.4.2 suddenly decided that residential streets were 35 MPH where FSD had never done that before. It has been my experience, 55+ years of driving, that all residential streets are ASSUMED to be 25 MPH and usually are not posted unless the limit is lower than 25. It definitely does not read the school zone signs and for me it completely ignores the roundabout speed limit signs on streets that I drive.

[@anon-r9q1111]

have u had any issues with 13.2.2 trying to run red lights? had this happen to me once and seems to be happening to others as well

[@BlackTesla]

Only a few times but they were turning reds not straight through them

[@scramble111]

residential speed limit is 25 but car is doing 31mph 4:40 and 32-33 mph at 5:36

[@BlackTesla]

Yes because there is a speed offset applied. If the speed offset is off it will just go the speed limit.

[@TheAnarchist01]

Right from the start. It annoyed me that you didn't start fsd from the parking lot to see what it actually did. It sometimes ignores navigation and takes the better route.

[@BlackTesla]

I didnt because I didn't start 12.6 from that same point so I wanted to make it apples to apples.

[@catbert7]

v12.6 having multiple critical failures on a trip v13 completed certainly doesn't make me feel better about being stuck with HW3, but at least v12.6 is a big improvement from v12.5. Will be interesting to see if HW3 can make it to legal FSD. Hard to say if I want it to or not, now that Elon promised to upgrade us if necessary ;p I expect that would take a long time though.

[@jonathanblackwell42]

14:10 So in 13 it's hitting curbs by taking turns too sharp and not because it's not turning sharp enough? Man I hope the 12.5 issues with not turning sharp enough go away with 12.6. Nothing more fun that showing off how great FSD is doing only to have it run off the road because it won't turn sharp enough.

[@jayc3657]

Anybody still waiting for fsd v13 updater with hw4 2024 model y?

[@BillBadMule123]

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[@GOVAUS1]

Thank you. Now, just image what HW5 will do.

[@youtubesucks8024]

We haven’t even hit the full potential of HW4 yet. I wonder if we’ll need HW5 for cybercab but not for FSD on your personal car.

[@abenwitz1]

🦊 ✌️ 😂

[@youtubesucks8024]

Again, V12 was nearly unusable. V13.2.2 especially in hurry mode is a dramatic improvement. Lane centering on highways has been an issue though. And staying at speed. Much improved, but in most cases still drives too slow. Yeah in my experience V13 gets dang close to other cars! Hasn’t hit anything yet, but it’s definitely confident down to the 1/2 inch.

[@DerekDavis213]

_V13.2.2 especially in hurry mode is a dramatic improvement._ Can you trust 13.2.2 to drive for 2 hours in a busy big city, without any human intervention. The answer is a big no.

[@kungfoochicken08]

@@DerekDavis213 Yeah, its not quite to the point of unsupervised yet, but even 12.5.4.2 is a huge jump from where we were just a year or two ago. I do 95% of my driving with FSD on and it takes away the vast majority of that low level stress of driving. It very much feels like you're just supervising someone else driving the car.

[@TCRS16]

@@DerekDavis213 it's doing pretty well in New York. Not prefect but quit good. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6CzYY2mbLV2mrMsi=GaFRYKo2HYBYy_85

[@DerekDavis213]

@@kungfoochicken08 _its not quite to the point of unsupervised yet_ To be unsupervised, FSD would have to drive like a human. Drive every day for years without an accident and without any assistance. Also drive at night or in the rain or in the snow. FSD might never reach that level of competence .