Teutoburg Forest 9 AD Roman Germanic Wars DOCUMENTARY - REACTION

Teutoburg Forest 9 AD Roman Germanic Wars DOCUMENTARY - REACTION
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[@nomaam9077]

20:35 - The Romans remained in Germany for another 300 years, but no longer dared to settle permanently in the Germanic tribal area on the left bank of the Rhine. The Rhine was the border.

[@neronesan1073]

not really, the Romans controlled the territory through vassal German kings, in fact Arminius was killed by one of these. moreover, the Romans subsequently occupied southern Germany, beyond the Rhine

[@neronesan1073]

the Romans lost the first battle of Teutoburg, but not only did they win in the same place, a few years later, but they won the war, it was a Roman decision not to romanize the whole area just because it was not economically convenient

[@neronesan1073]

to clarify, look at where the Tomans arrived, "Rome's forgotten victory in Germany. The Battle of Harzhorn is an armed clash between the legions led by Emperor Maximinus the Thracian and the Germanic warriors in 235 AD, in today's Lower Saxony, Germany ", look on a map where the place is. battle won by the Romans

[@hellemarc4767]

What you see at the beginning of the "Deutschland" video in 16 AD are the Romans who were sent to find out what happened to the legions of Varus, because for Rome, they had vanished, nobody knew what happened to them.

[@dirkdriessen1133]

Just not true.

[@Dnz-zg5km]

​@@dirkdriessen1133inlighten us. What is the truth?

[@tommainz161]

They not came back to the right side on River Rhein@@Dnz-zg5km

[@tommainz161]

They not came back to the right side on River Rhein @@dirkdriessen1133

[@Dnz-zg5km]

@@tommainz161 they did indeed. Already in 12 A.D. Germanicus lead an army towards a region between upper Lippe and upper Ruhr. On the way back they were ambushed by german tribes.

[@felixropke9777]

Well, the romans were always very smart at that time and the main question after the defeat of Varus was "what is the benefit of germania?" A land full of woods, lousy cold and wet, no big agriculture or economy and full of this angry looking germans. They stoped expensive warfare, build a large wall between rivers Rhine and Donau called it the Limes and left the Germans behind it. But they diddn't stop to trade with the germans and really liked their mercearies and again and again they send expeditions to have a look if there are still so many angry looking germans... "Oups, yes they are still there... never mind, left them behind the wall." until in the 5th century someone knocked at the doors of the city of Rome and said: "Hello, we are the angry looking germans, call us Vandals and Goths. We are tired of your boring wall and you are not an empire anymore, cheers."

[@brigittegranier3468]

History in a nutshell😄😄😄

[@Unkraudt]

Richtiiiiiiiig!😂

[@Tristan_Anderwelt]

My homeland. I can see the Teutoburg Forest from my home just 200 meters from the Lippe River

[@dontshanonau1335]

The punshments for the captured Romans were specifically what's called "mirror punishments". Specifically crucifixion doesnot appear to have been common in Germania before, so it was likely used because the Romans themselves had used it against rebelling tribes.

[@jensfrisch8659]

Sometimes you have to make a point: The romans never again tried to colonize and enslave the Germans - not for decades, not for centuries, never again. That saved also a lot of roman lives.

[@tosa2522]

Emperor Augustus stood in his palace, butted his head against the wall, and proclaimed, “Quinctili Vare, legiones redde!” - “Quinctilius Varus, give me back my legions!”

[@irminschembri8263]

We even have a song about the battle , " Als die Römer frech geworden" aka " When the Romans got cocky " 😁.

[@andreas9313]

In the City of Detmold , Hermannsdenkmal / Arminius

[@Tiisiphone]

Cooking someone in a pot to make a point? Till does that with Flake quite often! Losing 3 legions had a huge psychological on Rome. The roman legionaries were an almost unstoppable force in conventional combat in open fields, but being forced to face guerrilas in a muddy forest led them to their doom. Arminius, being trained in roman war tactics, had a significant advantage as well. He could predict part of the enemy's moves. He's considered as the first german king. You can briefly see his statue pointing his sword to the sky in Rammstein's Deutschland video clip.

[@neronesan1073]

Arminius was a Roman citizen

[@Tiisiphone]

@@neronesan1073 Yes, he was made a roman citizen and a cavalry officer, that's how much the Romans trusted him. But first and foremost he was the son of a germanic tribal chieftain, taken hostage to Rome. He was well treated by his "foster family" and taught everything about roman culture, and looked so assimilated and far away from his germanic roots that he was seen as a Roman by his adoptive compatriots.

[@hannesmayer3716]

Nobody can know for sure, but this victory may have saved big parts of Germania from romanization. In this area, the later tribes of the Francs and the Saxons formed. If those people were romanized, the whole history of western Europe (France, England) would have been different.

[@Talkshowhorse_Echna]

What followed was raids from both sides, fights and smaller wars, but no side could win. This battle was so important since it somewhat created a standstill wich the germanic tribes could use to modernise themselfs. In the end both sides would merch hundrest of years later in western Rome. Just think about the Goths or Francs.

[@neronesan1073]

it's not as you write, read my comments that I have made to others. The story is much more complex, hello

[@MichaEl-rh1kv]

4:00 Imho some clichés. He speaks of "new natural borders along the Rhine and the Danube" and of the "fearsome Germanic tribes", but the map shows another situation: The situation before the start of the Roman conquest of the Celtic and Raetian heartlands. shown as "Raetia" and "Noricum" (the Raetian consisted of some tribes living between the Celtic Helvetians in the West, the Celtic Vindelici in the North and the Celtic kingdom of Noricum in the East; they were linguistically related to the Etruscans). Those both provinces were fully conquered until 15 BC. Only after that conquest the Danube east of Castra Regina (Regensburg) and west of Aquincum (Budapest) became the northern border of the Roman Empire. West of Lake Constance (by the Romans called Lacus Brigantinus, referring to the Celtic Oppidum of the Brigantii, now known as Bregenz) they used the High Rhine as northern border, but had strongholds at the northern bank which they used to attack and destroy some other Celtic oppidae. Since the Celts had defeated Rome several times in the past, the Romans feared them and jumped at the chance as the Celts seemed weak due to different circumstances. The Celtic as well as the Germanic tribes were not unified at the time, and the Romans could win some of them as temporary allies in their campaigns. In the following years they moved the border northwards to river Main (including its northern banks in the region of which is now Hesse) and conquered there also large regions settled by Germanic tribes (but most of southern Germany or "Germania superior" was Celtic before the Roman conquest). The Rhine was south of Confluentes (Koblenz) fully within Roman territory and no border at all, but patrolled by Roman ships. 20:00 After the defeat of Varus the Romans, having barely 2 legions left in the region, retreated to river Rhine, but Tiberius came back and stabilized the situations for the Romans. In 14 AD Germanicus started a new campaign, starting with a massacring the Marsi, one of Arminius' allies, then attacking the Chatti, liberating Arminius father-in-law Segestes and take Arminius pregnant wife Thusnelda captive. In summer 15 AD Roman troops landed at the coast around the estuary of river Ems, and an expedition arrived at the Teutoburg battlefield, burying some of the remains of the fallen. Tiberius criticized Germanicus for his venturesome and risky warfare and ordered his retreat, but Germanicus send another fleet of about 1,000 ships to the Ems Estuary (now at the border between the Netherlands and German Frisia) and won a battle at Idistaviso against Arminius, but lost some troops at the way back due to the weather. In 16 AD he won (according to Tacitus) a last battle against Arminius, the Battle of the Angrivarian Wall near Porta Westfalica, but could not decide the war. Germanicus was then recalled to Rome, and Roman military presence east and north of the Lower Rhine ended effectively, even if some punitive expeditions followed from time to time. But the Romans held the Limes as a guarded border between Rigomagus (Remagen), the Castra at Arzbach near river Lahn, the Castra at Kemel, the Castra Alteburg ('old castle') near Idstein, the reconstructed Castra Saalburg guarding the Roman town of Nida, the Castra Arnsburg-Alteburg as northernmost point east of river Rhine, then going south to river Main, using that river as borderline until reaching the now Bavarian town of Miltenberg, going in in nearly straight line south to Lorch and then east to Castra Regina / Regensburg where the limes met river Danube. Of the current states of Germany the states Saarland and Baden-Württemberg were completely within Roman borders as well as most of Rhineland-Palatinate (except the districts of Neuwied, Altenkirchen and Westerwald), the third of North-Rhine-Westfalia which is west of the Rhine, the southern half of Hesse, the western-most parts of Bavarian Franconia as well as the southern half of Bavaria which is south of river Danube. Only in the 5th century the Romans abandoned the limes and retreated to the provinces west and south of river Rhine, because they could not longer afford to man it (cause of problems in other regions).

[@tommainz161]

Hi D, you remember in the Deutschland Video at the beginning guys hang on the trees. They are all romans. And as the romans come back they see the Forest was full of romans on the trees. They turn around and never came back. Greetings from Germany

[@MV19]

read the story Rome after this small defeat with the barbarians returned and destroyed those difficult tribes and governed Germany for another 300 years...you too, like almost all Europeans, have Roman origins in your DNA.😂😉..greetings from Rome

[@Dnz-zg5km]

​​@@MV19And what does this change from the fact, that this battle is considered to be one of the most important historical points in german history and the first of many big events, that resulted in the downfall of rome as an empire? We all have DNA mixed from all over. What a wonder that white americans oftenly have european DNA, or that lots of brtish people have saxon DNA. It's called evolution. Greetings from Teutoburg Forst

[@Dnz-zg5km]

​@@MV19by the way you are even wrong about this 300 nonsense. That never happened in the regions where the battle was.

[@melchiorvonsternberg844]

@@MV19 What...? They had the sector west of the Rhine valley and the region, south of the Danube river. And a small space, around todays Franktfurt/ Main, usin' the Main river, as an additional Border river. If you look at a map, with the former German empire of 1914, that is only a very small part... And small defeat...? This could be compared to the end of the German 6th Army at Stalingrad...

[@neronesan1073]

are you wrong, who founded the city of Cologne? guess?

[@OnkelKnuffel]

This interesting Story hapened in the "Teutoburger Wald" means "Teutoburger Forrest". But this Name of the battle Was given many years later. Over a verry long time nobody knows the real place of this battle. But one Day, not so long ago, people find a lot of Roman things like weapons, armor, coins, a horseriders mask and so on in the Region of "Kalkriese" near by the City of Bielefeld. Everythings look like a great battle and was dated in this time. They are digging and searching just today and their Was build a museum where you can see these things. I was not there by myself but I want to visit this place and the museum. Many greatings from Duisburg in Germany!

[@jayzandstra1830]

great video man! would really like to see ya check out more of kings and generals about rome

[@Muck006]

Losing 3 legions plus a bunch of support units was a severe blow to roman military might, but this battle shows one thing clearly ... *which the USA HAS NOT LEARNED:* *NEVER ... teach "your servants/the people you use to subjugate others" your own strategies (or arm them with your own weapons)!*

[@matt47110815]

Cooked in Pots - the Aftermath of the Battle and what was supposedly done to the Romans captured is historically written by the Romans, and likely wildly exaggerated. They tended to do this as Propaganda. They did the same with their old enemy Carthage, claiming they butchered and ate infants.

[@42heizer]

And immolating hostiles in sacrificing religious rituals. The roman rumors they told by themselves are the one, only and first source of this. Fact is, nobody knows anything historical correct about german or celtic religion, ethic or moral. The most of it are fantastic myths and artificial fairy tales written down hundred maybe thousands of years later. But the fake story of cooking people works for more than 2000 years now.

[@dieterdodel835]

*Every roman is gangsta until the trees start speaking germanic/proto-germanic!*

[@axelk4921]

@ 6:15 As far as I know, the saying "fell from a horse" is not to be taken literally but rather as a "shameful defeat" in a battle/war or aassination attack For example, there is a special rule in statue building that is supposed to show how a leader died a rearing horse with its rider in a war pose is a "Heroic Victory" in a war A horse with one leg raised represents a victory in an important battle A horse standing, the leader died after the battle or at home in bed So what would the description "He fell from his horse" mean?

[@brigittegranier3468]

Very interessting 👍

[@Engy_Wuck]

“There is a lot of folklore about equestrian statues, especially the ones with riders on them. There is said to be a code in the number and placement of the horse's hooves: If one of the horse's hooves is in the air, the rider was wounded in battle; two legs in the air means that the rider was killed in battle; three legs in the air indicates that the rider got lost on the way to the battle; and four legs in the air means that the sculptor was very, very clever. Five legs in the air means that there's probably at least one other horse standing behind the horse you're looking at; and the rider lying on the ground with his horse lying on top of him with all four legs in the air means that the rider was either a very incompetent horseman or owned a very bad-tempered horse.” ― Terry Pratchett, I Shall Wear Midnight

[@brigittegranier3468]

@@Engy_Wuck 😄😄😄

[@melchiorvonsternberg844]

If you are interested in the early imperial period, I can recommend a BBC series from the 70s, which you can watch for free here. I'm attaching a link. It begins at the time of the Germanic campaigns of the brothers Tiberius and Drusus and ends with the assumption of power by Nero, in a retrospective, from the perspective of Emperor Claudius, who was the son of Drusus and conquered England. This is not a documentary, but a film adaptation of a novel by a British/German author, Robert von Ranke-Graves, called "I, Claudius". And the intrigue that goes on among the Romans is amazing. Derek Jacobi, John Hurt and Sir Patrick Stewart are probably the most famous actors who can be seen... kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXbIiZaAj6p0irc

[@soreiche]

For Germans Germans were never a proper name. We use the word just for the ancient germanic tribes. So it's funny to listen to the story in englisch language. The Germans were the fearful opponents for the Romans. Around 110 BC the Kimbern und Teutonen are moving to Italia. It took several years and some painful defeats to finally defeat the thread.

[@michaeltaylor8835]

The Romans got revenge

[@ulliulli]

dutch world? DID HE SAY DUTCH WORLD? WOW... thats... insulting. Also "What the hell do I know about the Roman?". Well... it should have been taught. in schools. Romans back then were THE superpower of that time. Like the US is THE superpower of our time. . So "Those who do not know history are condemned to repeat it" I guess ^^

[@donkfail1]

"Remember 9 AD?" Sure. It was a great time to be alive. The thought of soon going double digit made it seem we were living in the future. ;) Edit: Yes! I know they didn't use that dating back then. So no need for an "Ehm, actually..."

[@bayramaktas4135]

Germania magna

[@Fedja-2210]

Welcome to Europe complicated history. Most people kinda ignored the Frisian tribes until the Roman Empire retreated because of the Roman inner conflicts.

[@panflute3580]

ALESIA please.

[@aja.189]

I needed a moment to recognize what he meant when he said Teutoburger Forrest! Wow! You need to say Toy to (like in Auto) burger (like in butcher) not Tjutobörger 😂😂😂 I get it that names are pronounced differently but that is plain unrecognizable butchering!

[@markus-pg6me]

Folge einem Deutschen nie in den Wald !

[@michaeltaylor8835]

Arminius Im outta here

[@herbertfreyerthomas6858]

Why is the battle named after the loser "Varus"? Battles are named after the victors, that would be Arminius, wouldn't it? Why should Arminius have encouraged his soldiers to fight with the prospect of rich spoils? They wanted to keep their freedom and that's why they went into battle, not for conquest like the Romans. And why the hell are the Germans always described as the bad guys in history? I think we have to show the world at some point when we really are, but first we have to get rid of this Roman way of thinking that still rules the world today!

[@neronesan1073]

however to clarify the Romans won the war, Teutoburg was only a lost battle. The territories between the Rhine and the Elbe were controlled by the Romans through vassal kings, in fact a few years later the Romans occupied southern Germany and some territories beyond the Rhine, without any particular problems

[@stefanb4375]

the Story ends 410 when the germanic tribe of the goth takes the walls of rome

[@neronesan1073]

​​​@@stefanb4375 No mistakes, first because the fall of the western empire was in 476, second because the Roman empire survived in the east. In 410 and 455 Rome was sacked but the institutions continued to exist, the Roman Senate was active until 600. Furthermore, the Eastern Roman Empire reconquered Italy and Rome became part of the empire again, practically until year one thousand, when there was the schism between the Pope and the Orthodox

[@neronesan1073]

​@@stefanb4375 the Roman Empire finally fell in 1453 with the capture of Constantinople by the Turks

[@brigittegranier3468]

Teutoburger Wald means a lot to Germans. For Rome it meant the loss of three legions. This was heavy and it took some time to replace them. I wonder, if the Romans ever had such a big loss in one Battle🤔.

[@stefanb4375]

We are talking about ancient Rome here and not the early Middle Ages, otherwise we could also discuss the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. Of course, you can talk yourself into anything.

[@Fackeldackel]

Arminius being a german hero and the battle(s) at Teuteburg forest being germanic victories are common misconceptions in my opinion. Despite being raised by romans, Arminius did not understand rome at all. He did not understand that rome coul not afford to let such a defeat stand. Romes entire expansion was based on the old fear of barbarians sacking rome again and a defeat like this would, in romes eyes, cause further barbaric incursions if not dealt with. And rome dealt with the germanic tribes. Only a couple of years later another roman army of several legions marched into the germanic region with a clear purpose. It was not to conquer but to exterminate and take care of the fallen romans. Entire germanic tribes got exterminated, not just conquered and enslaved but exterminated, settlements burned to the ground and entire regions turned into funeral pyres. While doing this the enraged legions took back the corpses of their mutilated comrades to burry them in an orderly, roman fashion. Indeed romes revenge on the germanic tribes was one of the most savage and brutal military campaigns in romes history. In the end Arminius only brought death and despair over his people and by stopping the romanization of germany he allowed its tribal culture to live on, leading straight towards germany as "the late nation". A nation filled with overboarding nationalism and the desire to achieve within a generation what other nations achieved within centuries. This lead to world war 1 and world war 2. In my opinion Arminius was the first enemy of the german nation, not its hero. He set the germans up for failure while the romanized countries learned from the romans and after the fall of the empire the former provinces "soon" became nations. I despise Arminius, he was a traitor and a fool with no realistic plan for the time after the battle.

[@albertocorvo2858]

Great! There Is another video of this channel about WWI If you are interested , it's incredibile specific and detailed, I highly recommend it