TF2 Map Facts "De-shorted" (2007-2010)

[@FelipeJaquez]

The original art direction for TF2 that focused heavily on industrial 50s/60s Americana is one of my favorites in all of visual media. It created a nice balance of gritty cartoonishness that complimented the chaotic yet coordinated gameplay. One of a kind really and timeless.

[@Garrad3]

@@FelipeJaquezNow it's Clown Fortress 2. The art direction is dead.

[@gub4941]

@@Garrad3 such a shame :(

[@drakep.5857]

@@Garrad3 not really, unless you like looking at bad things online all the time and making yourself feel bad

[@a6pukoc113]

@@Garrad3Sad to admit but you could say in 2012 too Hahhaha (sad laughter)

[@xane424]

​​​@damsen978 Americana is a word and it means american culture mostly in relation to the united states. The word is commonly used in reference to the 50's-80's but can be used in many other cases.

[@ivy_magnapinna]

Iikka Keranen (the maker of hydro, badlands, doublecross) was one of the best Doom mappers of the 90s, he worked on some very old Doom wads like STRAIN and Requiem, that's how I recognized his name and I had no idea he went on to work at Valve until now

[@AtteR04]

He made map for CS too I think

[@hlibushok]

Turbine being originally considered "outstanding quality" really shows how much TF2's community mapping scene has evolved since 2008. I mean, have you SEEN what those madlads did on Embargo?

[@ironpainting1210]

@@hlibushok it looks sick as he'll but the gameplay kinda sucks on there: sniper sightlines are too long and the flanks aren't really their own thing and make it feel too much like a funnel to the capture points

[@extome]

Embargo is on the same tier as Wutville

[@ravolianchovi7795]

Embargo's gameplay is way too varied with no genuine themes. Also the new pet item can confuse players with the (actually gameplay relevant) robots on the map. It is just not tf2.

[@thelastant8366]

Embargo is pretty impressive from a technical standpoint, but is just not fun to play :(

[@woshee_real]

> Make a TF2 map with a new environment, taking a good chunk of time making sure it fits the game's art direction. > Do public playtest sessions for feedback. > Make changes to address feedback. > VALVe emails congratulating you and your team for getting the map in the game, while also asking for changes to be done if needed. > Make changes from VALVe's feedback. > Map is shown to the public at launch, prolly in a buggy state due to VALVe's map compiler. > Playerbase that thinks they know more about the game than you tells you it doesn't fit the artstyle and plays like shit because they lost. TFW >:(

[@Slavision40k]

Hearing this man's voice speak some map trivia got its charm.

[@artemefimov8215]

@@Slavision40k yes it's really soothing to ears.

[@happyraintf]

Ahhh, what can be better than some nostalgic TF2 stuff. Thanks.

[@Techhunter_Talon]

Little Nucleus fact: pd_galleria is actually a festive version of Nucleus. It shares the same exact layout.

[@Whomobile]

Fuc forgot about that one

[@SnackPatrol]

I thought this was common knowledge...

[@Techhunter_Talon]

@@SnackPatrol Some people might not realize considering how much decoration Galleria has going on.

[@kingkrool94]

6:53 There was gonna be a CTF version of Badlands, that would be more faithful to the TFC version. it was cut for some reason, but there is concept art and a realized version in the Pre-Fortress 2 mod.

[@YakYo]

Arena maps are so unfortunate. The game mode obviously flopped hard but the maps are amazing and converting them to KotH would be so simple. I would love to play a KotH version of Offblast or Ravine on official servers.

[@BeaverBotics2]

It's double unfortunate considering how the arena maps are such a part of the external perception of TF2. How many GMOD TF2 animations take place on Lumberyard, Watchtower, Offblast, etc. So many, and it's a shame they aren't used anymore. I 100% agree these Arena maps should be converted to KOTH maps so that we can experience these maps again without the stigma of Arena. They worked for SawMill and Nucleus, it can easily work for the others.

[@QuintessentialWalrus]

@@BeaverBotics2 The other arena maps are a little small for KOTH right now (which is probably why they were never converted by Valve) but I think they could definitely be turned into decent KOTH maps with some tweaking to expand them a little. New areas, paths, etc.

[@SnackPatrol]

It didn't flop hard, did you play it at release? Because I'm betting you didn't. Everyone who joined TF2 post-F2P acts like they know anything about the glory days of Arena and assumed no one played it because they didn't implement it into Casual. There are nearly 3 years between the release of Arena & the 1st instance of Matchmaking and it had a healthy playerbase for much of that.

[@YakYo]

@@SnackPatrol Yeah and where are they now? Even three years in the span of this game is a drop in the bucket. Huff that copium lad, arena sucked and died. I've been playing this series since before TF2 even existed. Arena fizzled.

[@SnackPatrol]

@@YakYo I have too, and it fizzled over years. 1 or 2 years is not a short period for people to be playing something. If I made a game that many people enjoyed over several years I'd consider it a success, too. Just because something wasn't the most popular game mode doesn't mean it didn't have its audience- the fact that Valve didn't support it with matchmaking was just as much the reason for its end as its lesser player count. It might have had a resurgence, even slightly, when the game went F2P but again it wasn't incorporated into matchmaking. If you have your "ear to the street" of TF2 you'd notice several people longing for some kind of Arena resurgence- it's still fun & Perks and Graveyard proved it last Halloween, even if it's a "change of pace" thing people queue for occasionally like Medieval.

[@_indii]

Injecting TF2 map facts directly into my blood

[@MadContendery]

scott the woz

[@t_ken7]

I love you, Whomobile. You're my favorite Perthian and TF2 creator. I wish you the best in all your pursuits of passion.

[@meikahidenori]

It's so sad knowing many of my favourite maps back in the day are now unsupported or never in rotation. They're always dead and I remember such good times on them. Thank you

[@sgas]

I love how threatening 9:12 is. Reminds me of dialogue in the game "receiver"

[@denny0420]

im glad u turned these into a real video i have never and will never watch a short

[@supafoxy]

Hydro Fun fact: "Meet the Engineer" takes place on Hydro, at night

[@Whomobile]

Only Partly true, Meet the engineer takes place on its own map but uses the guardrail prop from hydro

[@caljukes]

​@@Whomobile well, still not entirely true. its a highly edited hydro, not just the prop. you can tell when comparing the surroundings. sort of like meet the medic is highly edited but still badwater

[@chickenitza8]

Old TF2 maps had a certain charm that was lost somewhere along the way, I quite like the way they look.

[@bottleargon]

I always thought the little bunker areas on Dustbowl and Goldrush last were a great feature that never took on.

[@neopolitan21]

just a heads-up, the closed captions are borked and should be fixed up

[@Whomobile]

Ah ok, working on it

[@gruzi.]

14:48 is clearly a scout reaching to pickup a baseball

[@secretname1997]

If the Arena maps were converted to KOTH, i believe they would be played much more.

[@dashthatonedude]

I love these map facts so much because sometimes it shows me things i wouldnt notice while fighting

[@Chud_Bud_Supreme]

The Quake version of Well looks so cool. Wish there was a TF2 version

[@fluiditytf2]

Hope you upload videos covering 2010 onwards 🤘

[@Whomobile]

I will at some point

[@SometimesCreator]

Year of the Return of the King of the Hill of the

[@sausage141]

@@Whomobile Why are you still a virgin?

[@RatMan64]

Excellent compilation there, Whomobile! I hope that eventually you can get into the more zany new maps that have been added along with maps beyond 2010!

[@Aderalls]

30 minutes of map facts, perfect for a lunchbreak

[@Pablo.Minecraft.2007]

So much cool stuff about tf2 that i didn't know, thanks for the video

[@mn73211]

I get super nostalgic every time I see the arena maps that used to be so common to find a game for. I'll admit it was very frustrating and unforgiving haha. "Skill issue" for sure

[@chrisguara]

Can't wait to see more map facts videos

[@Waylon128]

Oh how I missed Map Facts Monday. Glad to see them all here.

[@Suspiciouslocal]

"It isn't even on casual map queue" Arena is good and dopamine inducing. I think the problem as to why it isn't featured in Casual isn't because players hated it at the time, but because it's simply not up to the sheer quality of the other modes.

[@NexuCabi]

14:50 the symbol the wiki references is the one at the bottom in 4th collumn from left. The one shown in the video looks like scout picking up his ball.

[@natalialuca]

2:47 man i passed the Heavy Update how fid i Miss it

[@pjtheprimalpeashootergamin6159]

fun fact: goldrush had 2 verisons for raid mode 1 verison called Raid_teststage with only stage 2 from goldrush that has a boss arena that is connected to a basement made in red teams spawn which has a elevator that leads to the boss arena it also has respawn closets raid_goldrush a earlier verison when raid was just starting devolpment

[@monkeysmainman6343]

The only launch map the doesnt take place in any promotional video is badlands -Tuefort (base trailer) -Well (meet the scout) -Hydro (meet the engie) -Gravelpit (meet the demoman) -Granary (meet the soldier) -Gold Rush ( meet the sniper) - Dustbowl (meet the heavy) also within the meet the scout video the red team is attacking the blue team from the blue teams base

[@Max_Aimz9392]

This is therapy for me.

[@Aibadenshi]

3:40 It`s always bug me is that Red are on the Defensive while Blu is the Attacker. Because their team company is the completely opposite from each others.

[@masterpingu5942]

blu is destroying the buildings they capture so they can get the contract to rebuild them, red is defending the buildings so they can demolish them

[@yutakab8307]

There couldn't have been a Rick may tribute bc he passed in 2020

[@A-W80]

They probably added it around then.

[@freshwater4701]

Hydro most nostalgic ❤

[@termin1071]

Thanks, dude! Me and my homies hate shorts!

[@kingding9542]

I love upward. I love you upward

[@spunchbob]

yes there was a heavy update

[@lumi_bloop]

it's my sleepover, and i get to choose the movie

[@mohammednegm4007]

Quick heads-up: your 2nd channel is very difficult to search for, the only way is through a main channel vid that has the link in the description, or by searching the 2nd channel's @. I'd like to ask you to change its name to something more searchable; it's really frustrating. And thanks for compiling all the shorts, it's extremely helpful and much more accessible now.

[@Whomobile]

yeah both 2mobile and twomobile was already taken :(

[@ssssssssssssssssss50]

Perfect!

[@dodgediplomat]

seeing arena maps makes me nostalgic damn shame they killed arena

[@Hazeiss]

Is ravine the map where Shrekaphone was played

[@oregonrailfan7046]

8:10 what is a “train tower” exactly?

[@Jun.Suzuki]

i saw you on a lazypurple silly server a few months ago

[@nerro984]

so, a long

[@ruzgar1372]

16:41 How can I find the timelapse video? I'm curious

[@greenoftreeblackofblue6625]

I like all of these maps. ❤😊

[@FunkEBunkE]

is his minivan faster than your car though?

[@chrxstt]

i’m high asl it’s lit

[@grande1900]

Great compilation of shorts; captions are a bit broken though

[@Whomobile]

Should be partly fixed now, there are a few bits missing caps that I'll fill in tomorrow (I have sore fingers)

[@abeardedperson105]

​@@Whomobilethe gnomes have cometh for your limbs

[@umanoomgombi3842]

Why does this video have subtitles adding to what you already said but with no further audio?

[@Whomobile]

I didn't read those parts due to short time limits, but when I copied the script over I forgot to take them out, ima fix

[@LauraLowe]

Please do another pass on the captions, a lot of leftover script and inaccurate subtitles, and uncaptioned bits

[@JayzzzTV]

cool

[@Qobp]

Shorted my pant

[@MEGAsporg12]

what does the "de-shorted" mean in the title?

[@Whomobile]

These videos started out as youtube shorts

[@MEGAsporg12]

@@Whomobile its confusing you should remove it imo

[@oiytd5wugho]

@@MEGAsporg12 I got it immediately

[@MEGAsporg12]

@@oiytd5wugho maybe you should go outside mire often

[@oiytd5wugho]

@@MEGAsporg12 I think you're trying to troll (badly)

[@pyrofromtf2]

I am Pyro. I became real.

[@masterowl123]

11:08 please for the love of god drop the skill issue thing, not funny and and adds nothing but a weird snark

[@callmememe1308]

Does anyone else find the slight irony(?) (for lack of a better word) in turning vertical shorts into longer widescreen videos when most creators I'm aware of are reworking their existing content into shorts or TikToks? Whomobile is single-handedly saving GenZ's attention spans lol. On a serious note, I really appreciate the work put into this, especially actually using the original widescreen footage instead of just pillarboxing the uploaded shorts like some other people would've. Keep up the good work 👍 but don't feel pressured like you have to make any specific type of content, just whatever makes you happy.

[@boxfoxscoot1614]

its kinda depressing how formulaic these are when organized like this

[@moth.monster]

Steel is still such a good map. No other map is like it.

[@moth.monster]

sad that you didn't redo ALL the voiceover with that amazing new mic (this is a joke. great video tho)