I agree I'm not an EV guy but nothing wrong with options Buy want you want its your money
@ivochicr13 ай бұрын
Only they doing everything to kill gas cars, so the "option" part will be limited
@markcoopers19303 ай бұрын
Scout having rivian bits underneath sounds a lot more appealing than having id4 bits underneath
@pavelkravchenko43673 ай бұрын
I’ve heard vw investing in Rivian, so we might see same platforms?
@ab2abblank6073 ай бұрын
Please forgive me but I don't speak EV. But does this mean the same as it's better to have a straight 6 underneath??
@rossthompson49903 ай бұрын
100%
@jonathonnordyke53703 ай бұрын
makes me more interested in the new scout
@snowg49533 ай бұрын
Yeah no way. 5 billion from vw to keep them alive. No thanks
@ingelri23 ай бұрын
You lost me at all electric.
@tmill20013 ай бұрын
...and VW
@naf25793 ай бұрын
@@tmill2001 this it's the VW thing for me.
@Kahless003 ай бұрын
So you've got oil burning lamps at your house or you're just being obtuse. And for the rest of you vw owns Audi Lambo Porsche and Bentley. They're all doing better than ever. You just wouldn't wanna drive one at all because vw owns them?
@gilly35313 ай бұрын
Cry about it...
@jeffreyfitch10063 ай бұрын
SAME Lost me at all electric Shut up about electric cars, we're not buying them
@fredmertz38373 ай бұрын
Its an EV so it wont work me. Looks great but I need a SUV with a 400mile range with AC or heat running and the ability to refuel in less than 15 minutes. Need to haul herding dogs.
@ramonmacias90133 ай бұрын
the moment you said ELECTRIC i lost interest completely. if it cant be fueled from a Jerry can it is useless to me
@heathwasson78112 ай бұрын
Destined to failure. All the people who geeked out at the return of Scout and all of us that would have been lining up with cash (assuming the end result was good) did a giant eye roll and immediately wrote off the brand.
@davespanksalot8413Ай бұрын
What a couple of Debbie Downers. Y’all should be encouraging the electric scene so that when the tech matures in ten to thirty years, your kids can benefit from some game changing tech that includes infrastructure, tech advances and thriving secondhand markets. Or maybe we should go back to horses... Environmentally friendly, cheap to refuel, and they make new models of themselves all on their own!
@ramonmacias9013Ай бұрын
@@davespanksalot8413 I will teach my kids how to work and repair a internal combustion engine so they don't have to pay some mechanic thousands of dollars to fix a computer glitch that was poorly programmed and poorly assembled. I can and have fixed my cars and truck in my driveway using hand tools including fuel pumps, water pumps, radiators, and more. I even did a bottom half rebuild of a 351 windsor on the 1979 Tbird i owned at the time in the driveway on jack stands.
@texasbradley3 ай бұрын
I was out when you said all electric 😂
@72Cowboy72Ай бұрын
Exactly when I turned it off too.
@Gemmellot3 ай бұрын
I love it when you guys engage in constructive debates on opposing sides of any issue. Nowadays, it seems we've lost the flexibility of open-minded discussion and the ability to learn from each other, which were foundational to the US. It's important to remember that it's okay to disagree with your loved ones and neighbors on politics, policy, and general opinions without polarization leading to severed relationships, anger, and violence. Thank you for releasing this video.
@graveyardprospecting3 ай бұрын
Best comment 👍
@aurorajones84813 ай бұрын
No no no... shut them down. I only want one side.
@alko_xo3 ай бұрын
You've just witnessed an open-minded discussion between two of the most powerful and oldest gentlemen in the world!
@tylersrubar64513 ай бұрын
I agree more with Tommy. Talking about having “choice”. Scout could offer choice! Gas version, maybe a plugin hybrid and BEV
@onenickthomas3 ай бұрын
Complexity
@davidroberts56003 ай бұрын
We already have a lot of gas choices. We need more EV, PHEV, and Hybrid choices. Personally for long range off roading I'd like to see more fuel efficient hybrids.
@scottenser4643 ай бұрын
Non plugin hybrid would be perfect
@LafemmebearMusic3 ай бұрын
Are you paying for that? Who’s paying for three platforms?
@legostud3 ай бұрын
Tooling cost for each version would be cost prohibitive.
@dgw40493 ай бұрын
Volkswagen thirsty for some of that sweet Wrangler / Bronco money
@mrgurulittle70003 ай бұрын
I think they’d make more money competing with the Jeep Wagoneer with the Travelall. I hope they bring that back too.
@Christoph-sd3zi2 ай бұрын
Broncos and Wranglers are filling up dealer lots now.
@Black2005Lotus3 ай бұрын
Give me a new Scout with a gasoline engine and a manual transmission please! Would be a nice alternative to the Broncos and Wranglers around every corner. Making it an EV is just a marketing gimmick and not practical unless you charge at the trailhead…
@ab2abblank6073 ай бұрын
Totally agree! But projectile vomit would be induced at the sight of a charge station at the trail-head of any public park.
@billredding20003 ай бұрын
As soon as he said it would be an EV, I left the building. No sale (and zero interest) in the Scout here.
@kdr-ql7pz3 ай бұрын
I've been fortunate enough to have been on hot, cold, altitude, and moab jeep development trips and it was amazing to see what some excellent drivers can do (especially on the rocks; yea Liberty, you can do it too.) I could care less about the sound effects, but soc maintenance and getting rescued because you cooked too many hot dogs for the kids with the camp kitchen, would definitely be entertaining. So, it's that, or laying in some mixture of fluids on your back at u-pull trying to get whatever you are too cheap to buy (or smart enough to know it's perfect) under your pos replica (Damn; no m-plates anymore. ) Life is full of choices ; car payments-pos-kids.. In the end it's just another vehicle. Don't go Plumb Crazy over it.
@theyhateme87633 ай бұрын
Hybreds are the future.. not EV or gas alone.. btw.. you gonna live in the trails ?
@marksr19072 ай бұрын
All electric... Dead on Arrival.
@First-Last-108Ай бұрын
You ever driven a Tesla?
@itsmountainwithanm3 ай бұрын
As a long-time offroader, I've learned the less electronic crap on my 4×4 s the more reliable off road. Way to ruin the name scout though ..
@680ecks3 ай бұрын
Yep tuned out after all electric
@jimhanle29713 ай бұрын
Roman is the get off my lawn defender of electric vehicles
@TimeMariner3 ай бұрын
He gets a lot of $ from them.
@jlaw19013 ай бұрын
@@TimeMarinerhow so? He seems to have a stance counter his audience. He is making valid points about the positives of electric cars.
@jbm08662 ай бұрын
@@jlaw1901He has to have a stance counter to his audience. He knows Colorado is California lite at the moment but will probably join the state they want to be in banning new ICE sales in the next few years. He has a business empire built on reviewing new cars, and when those new cars are only EV he hopes enough people will have converted by that time. Same with the legacy car mags such as Car and Driver, Motor Trend etc.
@jlaw19012 ай бұрын
@@jimhanle2971 nobody wants to be Blockbuster. He had to adapt to the times or go extinct. EVs do actually have positives though and he sees them.
@harrison70702 ай бұрын
@@jbm0866you do realize we are at minimum 20 years out from being able to support that many electric cars and people still think it’s not even gonna work out
@explore_off_roadАй бұрын
I agree with Tommy, "Scout should have launched with a Gas engine." We're not ready for all electric yet. It goes back to the days when six and four cylinder engines came out, and the backlash those got. And now they are everywhere and kicking ass. How are electric or hybrid sales, actually... In off roaders? That said, the Scout (concepts) looks pretty cool and it will get alot of "it looks like a Bronco!" They did back then to. ... Everything is a "Jeep Killer", the Bronco was to when it started coming out... Once that statement is made, it won't be a Jeep Killer. And all that is said about Jeep(s), this statement, used so often still, goes to show that Jeep is still on top and still the benchmark. Even for the G Wagon that you guys ALWAYS seem to mention in this segment .... That shouldn't ever be. G Wagons sit outside fancy restaurants with 24" wheels and the average person wouldn't buy one. They are just a status symbol. And! I could buy a couple Jeeps or Broncos for the price of a G Wagon.
@Sylvan_dB3 ай бұрын
So maybe big diesel powered charging stations at the trailhead? How can I haul an extra 20 to 200 miles of range on a rack, to make sure I can get out of the back country, once I get in?
@Tallnerdyguy3 ай бұрын
There are solar trailhead chargers
@nativeson6082 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@nativeson6082 ай бұрын
@@Tallnerdyguy yeah, because that’s what we want at the trailhead; a congested oversized phone charger! That would just add to the beauty of the trail! 🤣
@fastdude2002Ай бұрын
There will never be car charging stations in the backcountry where I take my Jeep. Electric for a scout is ridiculous…
@kevingish3 ай бұрын
I have five electric vehicle owners in my family, and the statement of lower maintenance cost way not accurate, every time a Tesla mechanic has to be called out, for what should be minor repairs or service in a gas vehicle, my family members have been charged over $4,000 a pop, the constant charging issues leading to bricking, stranded on the side of the road, the outlandish cost to upgrade their homes electric amperage, and in two cases the entire subdivision was substandard to support EV charging, over a dozen public charging stations we've looked at had diesel generators for the chargers, to my Nephew being charged $25 and hour to charge his S at a Tennessee station for two hours, the cars still have to be serviced and there is still oil, coolant, etc. that has to be done, and finally the battery doesn't last as expected in the extreme climates and two of my family members have already faced the $8,000 and $14,000 battery swaps for their respected vehicles, All of them have had to keep gas vehicles for reliability, two of them can't charge them in the below zero winters of their northern states, two of the others can't get half of the battery life here in the desert at 100 + degrees, and one of them has constant salt air damage to the electrical connections in Florida, My son works at the Largest vehicle parts distributor for the southwestern region and is seeing replacement batteries Quadruple due to early failure rates. So, your son is correct that gas and hybrids are the better option and is actually what people want. Every single one of my family members who own electric vehicles are getting rid of them as soon as they can, with only one planning to return to even hybrid, I work for a parts distributor, I am personally seeing customers come in hoping we can help them source batteries, (we can't) because of the waiting list and the cost.
@MrSnejkaj2 ай бұрын
I've driven EV:s for 6 years. Never have I encountered a bricked car. Especially not a Tesla. What repairs did they do that cost 4 grand? I hade a 1st gen Model S a few years ago. Not even that car hade costly repairs.
@gferguson882 ай бұрын
if they in CA wait till they get that $0.41 a mile driven charge to make up for lost gas tax revenue (other states sure to follow) or don’t plug in due to rolling blackouts. LOL.
@scorpy26432 ай бұрын
@@MrSnejkaj he straight up lied. None of that happened.
@kevingish2 ай бұрын
@@scorpy2643 Don't respond unless you know your subject... The local Dodge /Jeep dealership is now sitting on their 27th Hybrid Jeep Wrangler battery replacement scheduled for 3mths from now and is battling a battery supply issue. They are also waiting for their second Hybrid battery for the brand new Grand Cherokee with Zero available in the US. I have had two customers come in looking for help trying to find Tesla replacement batteries, I sent them to the manufacture, there are Zero secondary or aftermarket support. Two of my Relatives have sent their electric vehicles down the road as of last week, and my neighbor has had his zero charge brick for the seventh time in three years. So, electric fanboy, I do indeed know my topic, and I have many relatives, friends, neighbors and customers who run electric vehicles, and the experience is all over the map, from a few with only minor problems to full out lemons. Unfortunately, in my profession and my friends and relatives, I have personally witnessed and interacted with the extreme negative side of electric vehicles.
@jonathanbryant71663 ай бұрын
I’ll like the idea of trucking through the woods quietly with my doors off. Sounds intriguing.
@NOXStellans3 ай бұрын
Does anyone have experience with the range of electric off-road vehicles while off-road? I suspect it would be better than on-road because of slower speeds???
@Evan_Land3 ай бұрын
Depends on the type of trail. TFL did Red Cone in a Jeep 4xe on electric only and I think it’s electric range was cut to 1/3, of what it got on the highway.
@andrewbarefoot59013 ай бұрын
give me gas.
@jimsomerville39243 ай бұрын
Trouble is under 20 mph would have the annoying artificial whine meant for pedestrians.
@surturiel3 ай бұрын
@@NOXStellans The guys at Electric Classic Cars have reportedly had a good experience with overlanding their converted Defenders. It's worth checking it out.
@jackiejorpjomp3 ай бұрын
Was excited for the first few seconds then they said electric
@bosse6413 ай бұрын
EV is not something I'm interested in, not at all.
@scoobtay3 ай бұрын
I was an EV hater for a long time until my buddy got an F-150 lightning. They can be really great little rigs in the right circumstances. That said, hybrids are going to be the hopeful future.
@Name-kd5jj3 ай бұрын
An offroader that burns half its battery just getting to the trail? Great idea. Drive to the trail, turn around and go home.
@ridgecamper183 ай бұрын
Need gas. Can't overland with an electric vehicle.
@nicholasfigel47083 ай бұрын
You can.
@10cpaul3 ай бұрын
Roman!!! you need to visit your local Tesla service center, there's a bunch of broken Tesla sitting in the rear of the center! Ford EV issues, how many GM EV have been halted for issues... nah.. Hybrid I'm all in!
@co927153 ай бұрын
Should have a version for ICE.
@Wrangzilla3 ай бұрын
Someone will put a 392 underneath the hood
@co9271527 күн бұрын
@@Wrangzillaor an LS maybe?
@69mrwolf693 ай бұрын
Longest range takes me 2.5 days to get to Moab and 2.5 back so that leaves 1 day to offload with electric. Range is the killer.
@jlaw19013 ай бұрын
And recharge time
@davidthompson15732 ай бұрын
Who actually makes these horrible decisions, Disney? Seriously, talk about NOT knowing your customers and losing them with literally ONE dumb decision.
@user-cg7cc7zj3e3 ай бұрын
Without at least a hybrid option it isnt even an option.
@croaker47473 ай бұрын
I’m sorry, but “All electric Off-Road” sounds like a recipe for disaster. For around town, fine. Out in the mountains? No freaking way.
@erich.43053 ай бұрын
hybird scout would be nice.
@weekendwarrior81793 ай бұрын
It's good to see competition because they need to make these a lot more affordable😊
@hi95802 ай бұрын
Electric bronco.
@Autobhnspd3 ай бұрын
TFL when are you going to stop touting all electric. It’s not the future. Takes longer to charge than fueling a gas car, heavy, expensive, more complex easily totaled, cost more in charging, catches fire, emf radiation, not environmentally friendly and puts more of our dependence on China. As a car enthusiasts, I believe it’s great to have an electric option but it’s not better than what we have. You guys know it too.
@billynonofyourbusiness34343 ай бұрын
I do appreciate that you had different opinions on EVs. My opinion is that if EVs were cheaper, they'd be great for local commutes, grocery getting, etc. So an ideal situation would be to have a cheap EV for local driving and a Gas or Hybrid for road trips or heavy hauling.
@jimsomerville39243 ай бұрын
That's what we do and it's great.
@davidroberts56003 ай бұрын
That's what I do. They will be cheap soon enough. Lots of R&D recovery happening right now but they're cheaper to make long term. My partner's EV cost $23k after the credit. Her payment is the same as gas in her Jeep.
@billynonofyourbusiness34343 ай бұрын
@@davidroberts5600 $23k is much more reasonable compared to $60k. I have not looked deeply into the whole 'credit' mess. For me, the biggest issue is the money down and monthly payment.
@bradlaflamme61273 ай бұрын
I run a gasser for long trips and my ebike back and forth to work and around town trips.
@billynonofyourbusiness34343 ай бұрын
@@bradlaflamme6127 I am actually thinking of getting an ebike! I live in the countryside now. But will be moving soon. If I move to an area that is practical, i will be getting an ebike. What kind did you get?
@akrs63983 ай бұрын
electric cars have no maintenance? they are heavy and go through tires like crazy. The amount of money you spend on a set of tires surpasses any gas car's oil changes .
@jimsomerville39243 ай бұрын
How do you know that? The OEM tires on my ID.4 lasted 36k, which if I recall correctly is a bit longer than the OEMs on my Sienna.
@nmathree893 ай бұрын
Very smart of VW to partner with Rivian expertise. I'm not a fan of the Scout being electric, but since it's going to be, might as well be based on the best electric in the business.
@jlaw19013 ай бұрын
100%. Just bought a couple Rivian stock lol crossing my fingers for the take-off
@twoemptyАй бұрын
If you want gas power you get a Bronco, if you want electric you get a Scout, simple as that, it’s a Choice!
@christophernuckolls99646 күн бұрын
If you want gas power and don't want to break when you go off road, you get a Wrangler.
@brohammer3 ай бұрын
Unlike all these haters , I’m super excited about off roader EVs!!
@kohort13 ай бұрын
What are the limitations of hybrids on off roading
@bwracing92 ай бұрын
I just had an oil drain plug stripped on my BMW's first oil change. Send me the electric Scout. 🤣
@elizabethhopkins38263 ай бұрын
The Ford Bronco and Scout would be competiting against each other. They look alike.
@tonyoliver23303 ай бұрын
“No maintenance” is a lie, there is maintenance still but it may be significantly less during the ownership. Things always break it’s just a matter of when
@Black2005Lotus3 ай бұрын
Plus EVs are prone to computer glitches as TFL has witnessed..
@user-cg7cc7zj3e3 ай бұрын
They break as much as any badly built ICE, my neighbor's had two Tesla's and they were always broken, complaining about freezing in the harsh winters and stuck at the charging station forever. They have replaced them with real cars again now.
@andyman79313 ай бұрын
If Scout wants to embrace the EV offroader and not limit their market, having an optional range extender similar to the BMW I3 would be the best of both worlds scenario. If they went this route and made the range extender modular so you could leave it at home when getting groceries, that would be even better. I'm excited to see what they bring to the market as it'll influence all manufacturer offerings.
@trzarector3 ай бұрын
ICE tech has been developing for what the last 100 years so of course the infrastructure is there to support it but to disparage EV tech which is in its infancy is extremely naive. For the majority of drivers EV’s are more than enough, all these extreme ICE use cases will be addressed by EV tech in the coming years with battery density, solar charging, power storage, charging speed and chemistry always rapidly improving. And to those who say EV’s pollute as much as ICE let’s sit in a garage in our respective cars with the powertrains running overnight and see who makes it out. People get too comfortable because your exhaust is behind you so out of sight out of mind. Put it upfront and see how long you’d drive ICE. I love all cars but realise change is needed and is already here. It’s like when people laughed at the internet and buttonless mobile phones.
@gsitzkowitz3 ай бұрын
Until you can fuel an electric in a comparative fashion as a gasoline/diesel it will ever be more than a urban commuter vehicle.
@texaszag87483 ай бұрын
This is not true. I have an ID4 and have taken it on 2,000+ mile road trips. For me, 3 hours of driving before recharging is the magic number. With my MB GLC300, 400 miles of range was dangerous and almost killed me with fatigue. Depending on the range of the new Scout, it may wind up being comparable to the range of an ICE 4WDs in that category.
@dont89773 ай бұрын
Same - drove my Rivian from Tennessee to Oregon and back last summer, had a blast. Best road tripping vehicle I’ve ever owned. 600+ mile day ended refreshed with driver+. I promise I’m not a shill or an axe grinder. It’s simply the truth.
@texaszag87483 ай бұрын
@@dont8977 Having driven my ID4 back and forth from Fort Worth to the Knoxville area several times (750+ miles each direction), I always made the trip in one day and never felt beaten down like I did when I was driving the Mercedes back and forth. Best decision I ever made, as far as I am concerned.
@dvader32633 ай бұрын
Gas stations run on electricity and it takes electricity to pump and pay for gas. Everything on a gasoline vehicle runs on electricity. Without it, they're a brick. It's like people arguing about all of the virtues of a rotary dial desk phone because they're afraid of smart phone technology.
@redacted27633 ай бұрын
Nobody wants an electric Scout. Dead on arrival.
@rudydedogg65053 ай бұрын
Well, count me out. You guys need to pay attention to the market and the product reliability problems associated with EVs in general. Amidst the continuing drop in EV sales are another round of large scale fires related to EV batteries. Manufacturers are cutting back and in some cases dropping EV production entirely. I will bet the farm that not one Scout will be produced in Blythewood, SC, not one!
@chuckcribbs33983 ай бұрын
Scout will be electric? Ugh. You lost me. Electric vehicles are a dead money pit. I called it ten years ago.
@TheSkinnyMechanic3 ай бұрын
Electric vehicles are worse for the environment than ice vehicles Tesla burns the tires in one year! You’re just swapping oil changes for tire replacements.
@Cooper12 ай бұрын
This new technology is never going to work, it’s just not reliable, there’s no infrastructure for refueling and it’s just weird and unfamiliar. Give me the tried and true option for my dirt road adventures… said the horse and buggy driver of the new ICE vehicles in 1912!
@shekharmoona5443 ай бұрын
Is there some tension between these two that is leaking into the video or am I just imagining things?
@lucwilson13 ай бұрын
Always been like that. Father and son.
@psedd143 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Roman and Tommy, go have lunch together and don't talk about work!!
@TheJHP33 ай бұрын
Roman is a big electric guy and Tommy isn’t it. They have several videos like this where they disagree on it
@GeneMyersPoet3 ай бұрын
Definitely felt tension in that one. But Dad seems pretty secure about it and not letting it bother him.
@tman11293 ай бұрын
ICE sells. And EVs cost automakers so much money that costs are NOT coming down. Evs are all the same. Same suppliers motors and batteries underneath, same sounds, same feel, same sterile, soulless character. They're just like pop culture today, all about the looks.
@michaelswick42513 ай бұрын
Tend not to break? Ask Rivian and Tesla owners. I live where it gets extremely cold. Saw plenty of vehicles stuck on the highway when snow closed it. Nope
@fpartidafpartida3 ай бұрын
What are you talking about? Rivian R1S owner here. I live in MN. I have no idea what you’re talking about. I feel way more comfortable Taking my Rivian out in the snowing cold than I ever f ever felt in my Taho, Cheney Blazer or my buddy’s Jeep Wrangler.
@poppyneese18112 ай бұрын
Scout-VERY INTERESTED! Volkswagen- LOSING INTEREST. EV Rivian- INTEREST TOTALLY GONE😏
@boganpainter16383 ай бұрын
I drive by the Scout factory regularly and they already have several buildings built on the campus.
@michaelpartridge37233 ай бұрын
Tommy’s wrong on this electric is the future and it would be Insane for scout to spend billions on engineering a new motor when they wouldn’t be able to recoup those costs (billions) due to the switch to electric. They would need a decade or more to recoup that investment. How long before they’re actually selling these scouts. They’re planning for the future not the past.
@SammyDaBiz3 ай бұрын
Once I heard all electric…….. I’m out 👎🏽
@dierkriegerАй бұрын
There is a place I worked out in Lake Side California where there are four Scouts just sitting. They are all in awesome condition.
@vex-nh3 ай бұрын
Jeep is a bigger "Jeep killer" than any of its competitors. Their sticker prices are obscene and they made a major error in assuming there would be high demand for their 4xe models. They're having their own "Ford Lightening" moment, but in a worse way.
@stickstig8513 ай бұрын
lost me at electric
@toddembry59463 ай бұрын
Me too. What a shame. I loved my 76 scout!
@APWare3 ай бұрын
The only competition to a Wrangler would be solid axles, which I would have hoped to see with gas or hybrid.. This is akin to an EV Bronco.
@fredeschen37833 ай бұрын
An EV 4x4 should have 4 motors. One on each wheel with an output shaft and direct drive-no axles necessary. One of the few advantages of the electric car.
@RKmndo3 ай бұрын
The IFS convertible-offroader Bronco competes with the convertible-offroader Wrangler. My only gripe with the concept of the new Bronco is that it has coilovers instead of separated coils and shocks. I know that performance is often better with coilovers, but supplemental airbags can't be put inside the coilovers for hauling/towing at max capacity with 0 sag/squat.
@joewyatt22693 ай бұрын
People haven't soured on electric vehicles. They just can't afford ones that are cool. I don't know why this is so hard for car manufacturers to understand.
@charlessantangelo44303 ай бұрын
Tax incentives aren’t “jamming electric down your throat”. For me, personally, while these products are still being developed and the economies of scale are still in the process of balancing out, the tax incentive is what made it reasonable to choose between the two. I purchased an F150 Lightning and the tax break put the price between gas and electric neck and neck. I already wanted an EV. The government allocating funds during the transition made it possible. No one is forced to buy an EV, spend your money how you want to.
@CD_Player_913 ай бұрын
Someone buys one and then converts it to gasoline. Wooooo
@gbenny4203 ай бұрын
The reason people are so negative about EV's is because they threaten the gasoline engines. If they didn't set a timeline to get rid of gas cars it wouldn't be a problem as long as people have choice
@LeandroFTW3 ай бұрын
This is just another chapter in automotives. There's always push back at first.
@mishaartman12033 ай бұрын
They literally have diesel generators outside of charging stations 😂😂😂. America does not want electric. Get over it
@jtzanderz3 ай бұрын
EVs don’t threaten gasoline engines lol. The reason people are so negative towards EVs is because EVs are just as bad for the planet, they are inconvenient for normal use, and they are far more expensive than their ICE counterparts.
@DM-fv7hw3 ай бұрын
Gas engines arent going away.
@user-cg7cc7zj3e3 ай бұрын
Evs suck. My neighbor's had two Tesla's and they ended up hating them, always in the shop and freezing in our harsh winters. Not to mention they are worse for the environment and are just being pushed because of political insider trading. Now what Toyota and others are moving towards with the clean hydrogen systems may actually replace gas cars.
@vipraz1193 ай бұрын
Miserable idea. Another Fisker in the making.
@k7gixxer10003 ай бұрын
Roman arguing for EV's like his 401k depends on it.
@jimsomerville39243 ай бұрын
He's exactly right. There's a ton of straw man arguments out there from people who've never owned EVs and aren't experts in the auto, power, or insurance industries.
@CRFfred3 ай бұрын
Hybrids are useless, have to carry all that electric and battery equipment when the battery dies 10 miles down the trail. To much weight for off-roading
@BigWheelFab3 ай бұрын
I believe that the offroad EV could be manageable. The major problem with the EV is they are not aftermarket friendly. How do you install 40" tires and regear a Rivian or cyber truck. Way too many issues with the electronics when installing lifts trimming the wheel wells to fit larger tires. Give the consumer a basic EV with the ability to highly mod the suspension then I think in my opinion it would have a better chance. I would love an R1T with 74weld portals, 37" tires and 600mi of range.
@dvader32633 ай бұрын
No need to re-gear an EV as the torque is 100% from 0 RPM all the way up to maximum RPM and top speed. EV car suspensions are the same as ICE car suspensions. Suspension lift kits are available for the Tesla Model Y. They'll be available for the CyberTruck soon enough. Only rock crawlers and hard core off-roaders install 40" tires. Hundreds of people do it? A few thousand people? Hundreds of millions don't even go off road.
@BigWheelFab3 ай бұрын
@@dvader3263 I know very little about EV other than they are fast, heavy and the range sucks when you hook up a trailer. So what you’re saying is that if I buy a Rivian cut the finders and install some 37” tires the computers not going to freak out. Plus no need to re-gear due to the motor is the differential.
@gferguson882 ай бұрын
@@dvader3263 LOL. you’re forgetting about all the Mall Queens with 37-40” tires. But the cyber truck already doesn’t have that great of range (compare to original prerelease spec, the range extending battery takes up 1/3 the bed at $16k) and putting a lift kit and bigger tires will affect that just like it does on ICE trucks. EVs are okay but should have pushed for hybrid then plug in hybrids, then to EV to help not only people adapt but garages, mechanics, industries, aftermarket, and most of all POWER GRIDS. If they figure out wireless charging on the roads maybe i would get one, but for now I’ll stick with hybrid truck and plug in hybrid car. And my good ole FJ gas 4x4 lol only 33” tires 😢 but does good on minor trails but the SxS does better!
@avineld843 ай бұрын
i wish Toyota bring back their fj cruiser hybrid 4 doors with wrangler style
@ghostring36243 ай бұрын
All I wanted was the Jimny.
@MrBlacksharpieАй бұрын
People ARE ready for electric vehicles, it's their bank accounts that aren't . 🤑
@brandiwynter3 ай бұрын
No frickin way! I don't want anything to do with electric vehicles!
@shredofmalarchi3 ай бұрын
Does the kid understand it's easier to get a new ev brand to the market right now than an ice because of regulations on ice vehicle components? Without combustion components, it's cheaper and quicker to produce the vehicle in the US. Why do you think new ice brands haven't entered the market in decades. Regulation on ice components is a bank breaker.
@TreatsOnTheStreets3 ай бұрын
Insurance companies are finding out they don't want to insure electric vehicles. The expensive sticker price isn't the only thing expensive about owning EVs anymore. Insurance premiums are exploding.
@jimsomerville39243 ай бұрын
My EV and ICE rates have risen pretty similarly with the same company. Both have increased significantly in last 2.5 years.
@texaszag87483 ай бұрын
I have not had this experience. My premiums actually dropped when I traded in my MB for my ID4, and the VW cost more initially and was 4 years newer. But I don’t doubt that some insurance companies gouged EV buyers, if for no other reason than they could.
@TreatsOnTheStreets3 ай бұрын
@@texaszag8748 this is mostly for higher value EVs like Rivians, certain Teslas and the like which cost a ton to fix and are easily "totaled".
@jimsomerville39243 ай бұрын
@@TreatsOnTheStreets Startups without a healthy supply chain of parts are going to be a challenge regardless of propulsion method. But, it's not like an 80k Mercedes wouldn't cost an arm and leg to insurance and fix as well.
@TreatsOnTheStreets3 ай бұрын
@@jimsomerville3924 the issue is a key of these EVs are manufactured in a way that if you get a rear quarter dent, it may cost 10x of what a normal vehicle would. Also, when the battery may be *potentially* damaged, it has to be totaled or the manufacturer will void warranty and liability anyways. A gas vehicle isn't totaled if the underbody is scratched but an EV is. Look at the 60k replacement cost from Kia that resulted from a slight scratch in the battery armor. Plenty of cases just like that from my insurance adjuster friends.
@ab2abblank6073 ай бұрын
Battery operated vehicles are the common-core solution to a problem that doesn't exist. I'm a mechanical car enthusiast, not a battery operated, computer systems on wheels, passenger. Hard pass.
@legostud3 ай бұрын
What’s the problem that doesn’t exist? I think it solves many problems.
@glaffoon13 ай бұрын
Electric vehicles are dying. Half of the people that have bought electric vehicles say they will not buy another one. And the average depreciation of an electric vehicle is 50% the minute you drive it off the lot. And remember, Roman still thinks Land Rovers are great. Even though it took 3 to make it home. In reality I think Tommy understands the real world much better than Roman does. And, no I don’t hate Electric Vehicles, I’m just extremely disappointed in the execution so far.
@gambj3 ай бұрын
I thought i was interested, till you said ev 🤮 nevermind
@mrgurulittle70003 ай бұрын
Scout needs a gas variant to survive long term and be able to fund development for the EV variant. Otherwise VW would have to keep pouring money into the company. I also want the IH Travelall and Pickup truck eventually too. Heck, bring back the International Harvester name on all vehicles.
@JasonPortenlanger-l1e2 ай бұрын
The Scout name being used by VW hurts my soul!
@tomw39603 ай бұрын
Ask Hertz about maintenance cost😂
@TFLcar3 ай бұрын
😭😭😭😭 Because You don’t seem to know what Hertz does and how rental are are treated🤔
@tomw39603 ай бұрын
So ICE rental cars treated differently??
@jimsomerville39243 ай бұрын
I think it was repair costs, not maintenance.
@davidroberts56003 ай бұрын
I appreciate Roman's perspective on EVs. He's spot on. My partner and I have two EVs for daily driving, charge from our garage of solar, and own a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee for off roading. We're mostly off-roading close to home so we could maybe do an EV. I think most of us agree there aren't enough off road EV options and the range and/or infrastructure aren't there yet. Heck, even if you get there you have to deal with vampire drain when camping. I think it's partly like HD TV adoption. Not many folks were going to buy an HD TV without content and not much content without demand. The government had to motivate industry and it's working. I don't think addressing local pollution and climate change should be political but I recognize it has become so and understand not wanting to go there.
@emreviewsmore38073 ай бұрын
It would be a nice vehicle if it had a gas motor option
@surturiel3 ай бұрын
EVs and off roading (specially rock crawling) are a match made in heaven.
@dgw40493 ай бұрын
6:40… this is the perspective we should all have on EVs. Thx Roman. Choice is always better.
@lazarparachkevov55583 ай бұрын
Can you put "electric" in the titles when it comes to electric vehicles so we don't have to lose our time clicking on these types of videos?
@ab2abblank6073 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree!!!
@jongreen92503 ай бұрын
The scout should also come in a naturally aspirated gasoline and diesel version.
@joecool97393 ай бұрын
Its an EV only brand
@NOXStellans3 ай бұрын
"Volkswagen first decided on the product. Their marketers then decided the best way to sell it to us reactionary nostalgic curmudgeons was to give it an Americana aesthetics." 🤔🐔or🥚?: It would be interesting to know how much value Volkswagen put on the intellectual property of "Scout" when their commercial vehicle division purchased Navistar (successor to International/ owner of the name) in January 2020. This would show when/whether/why Volkswagen became interested in using "Scout" branding.
@damilolaakanni3 ай бұрын
Gasoline, yes. Diesel? Considering the brand was revived by VW, and considering their (VW's) reputation with diesel engines has been destroyed because of Dieselgate, it's not a good idea, nobody would buy them.
@EduardoSanchez-un2hh3 ай бұрын
All electric. Lol. Doomed before even start.
@LeandroFTW3 ай бұрын
Once they figure out the quick charging situation, more people would be about EVs.
@Black2005Lotus3 ай бұрын
Agreed, yet reality is even when a charger is installed, they very often don’t charge at all or they charge at a reduced rate. Unification of the charging system is a must.
@anthonymrskipt92523 ай бұрын
I just drove my Tesla from UT to MI and it was much better driving that distance than the same trip just two years ago. If all stops had been 250s, none of the charging stops would have seemed longer than needed for bathroom and snack breaks. That’s not even the state of the art for charging. I actually think we’re getting pretty close to (expensive) EVs being capable of road trips without much sacrifice and some benefits. We’ll see when we get to off-roading, but road-tripping has gotten much, much better, at least in a Tesla.
@nativeson6082 ай бұрын
What’s your actual range and recharge time?
@anthonymrskipt92522 ай бұрын
@@nativeson608 - I have a Tesla Model S LR. I would say that a realistic range on a road trip might be as long as 300 miles between stops, but there are clearly a lot of variables and most legs were closer to 250 miles. The availability of chargers, particularly in areas where chargers are few and far between, often impacted the stops as much as the car’s ability to go a particular distance. Using 250 chargers, I don’t think we stopped longer than 15min before we had enough range to continue. There were times when chargers were throttled (not the 250s, but sometimes it happened at 150s) and charging times increased substantially. I probably sat at the chargers in Rapid City, SD for 45min when we arrived there and still didn’t get a full charge. On the other hand, when my wife stopped at the same chargers on the return trip, she was able to spend less than 20min and got to 87%. We don’t keep accurate measure of times or efficiency on legs, so this info is just anecdotal. My point was more that the last time we drove our earlier Tesla (Model Y P) on the same roads, the range was clearly much less - an issue in WY when the wind was up) and charging times were longer - often more like my experience in Rapid City than what our typical experience was on this year’s trip. To be clear, I think the improved experience had to do with both the better car and the better chargers. If all stops were 250s - not even the current state of the art - I don’t think the stops would have been an issue at all. Made my optimistic for the future of BEVs.
@420aliendon3 ай бұрын
Tfl loves anything they can talk about
@jlaw19013 ай бұрын
They are car journalists lol that is like saying Wall Street loves stocks.
@poppa_da_corn2 ай бұрын
TF do you think auto journalists do?
@kevincraftsbcs44883 ай бұрын
It seems like a well played business move for VW. The infusion of cash for both Scout and Rivian should benefit them as well. I hope it works out to yield more vehicles for the automotive enthusiast.
@J26-e6g3 ай бұрын
Great perspective Roman. This is why I enjoy watching your videos and keep my subscription. It’s refreshing to listen to intelligent people and Tommy is following in your footsteps. You’ll be on the right side of history for sure.
@robertpettus60373 ай бұрын
I totally agree with Tommy. Gasoline engine either first or along with electric. Something simple like a straight 4, 5, or 6.
@jonzaremba3 ай бұрын
Wish someone would make a very small 2 door electric roadster these days.
@jimmyh66013 ай бұрын
MG Cyberster is pretty nice!
@damilolaakanni3 ай бұрын
@jimmyh6601 there's a 100% tarrif on cars made in China. I can't remember if it's both ICE and EVs, or just EVs though. That will make the MG pretty expensive if they try to sell it in the US.
@jonzaremba3 ай бұрын
Mazda is the most likely candidate to produce what I want.
@thisismagacountry13183 ай бұрын
The battery weight alone would kill any driving dynamics of a "sports" car. You DID pass physics class, riiiggghhhttt?
@jonzaremba3 ай бұрын
@thisismagacountry1318 untrue. Tesla began all this by making sports cars. There are several in China. Even the Honda E performs somewhat sportily. A sports car doesn't need long range. Smaller and lighter batteries are utilized. The inverse, however, is true for offroad vehicles. They need 200-300 miles range at a minimum and weight is a major factor in real off roading. The offroad EVs are all twice as heavy (at least) compared to their gas equivalents.
@billsummerhill5550Ай бұрын
Screw the electric part, put a v 6 or v8
@lannylancaster623 ай бұрын
First, I'm indifferent as to power source. It should be affordable, sustainable, widely available and provide a quick refuel. We are on a four lane highway with ICE, Hybrid, PHV and BEV. All have their advantages and disadvantages. Today the sweet spot is Hybrid/PHV. We must continue to progress our energy future and we can't do that by sitting still. With that, a PHV Scout would have been ideal.
@gryphon1234563 ай бұрын
They are 100% copying Suzuki’s homework on this. It looks like the Jimny.
@volvo093 ай бұрын
I was hoping it was going to be the Jimny coming to the US, disappointed to hear what it actually is.
@gryphon1234563 ай бұрын
@@volvo09 same. The Jimny would have been so refreshing and the Japanese quality. I’d sell my soul for one.
@QuiGonJim763 ай бұрын
Literally, no one cares about an electric scout.
@Evan_Land3 ай бұрын
🙋♂️
@chriscon84633 ай бұрын
The Rivian yuppie crowd will love it as a viable alternative, & it’ll never touch dirt.
@nmccammo2 ай бұрын
For local commuters EV is fine…
@dalejones43223 ай бұрын
My first thought was that everyone still has a choice. No one is making anyone buy anything. But, you are exactly right. The threat of what's to come is what bothers people. Great insight. You've changed my understanding
@dvader32633 ай бұрын
Yes, new superior technology is scary and frightens many people.