THAT GUY Kevin Ruins DnD By Being a CREEP

[@chickenknights8863]

I think playing a dragon slayer from a family of dragon slayers in a world that hasn't had dragons for generations has potential. Of course you'd need to tweak the backstory so that the family has been generationally unemployed, has been living off of the loot from dragon slayer for generations, has been relegated to being that eccentric rich family status in the well to do circles, and the cash is running out. You'd be left with a character who thinks he's hot crap but has no idea how to actually slay anything due to his living family having no useful training they could impart, has replica dragon gear because great-great-grandpa sold it to cover a gambling debt and replaced it on the wall with a cheap knock-off, and he's forced to take rat slayer jobs just to keep the bills paid on the slowly decaying manor. I'm feeling there's a real quixotic potential to this character.

[@thekaiser3815]

i would love that in my game

[@cindys9491]

Sure, they could be reduced to slaying monitor lizards or crocodiles instead. I like the rat-exterminator idea though.

[@theimperviousfirecracker7934]

I was just thinking that!

[@tuomasronnberg5244]

The GM's reaction in the first story was the correct one: If your character can't think of a reason to stay with the party, then make a new one that can.

[@RiveroftheWither]

Though they rarely admit it, it's more or less the edgy off shoot of Main Character syndrome. Think Kirito from Sword Art Online or Sasuke from Naruto, characters that (at least in the beginning of their story arks) spend all their time brooding in cool, edgy glory while everyone is just drawn to them for some reason despite them being anti-social douches trying to push them away. Yeah, eventually in those animes the other characters wear the edgelord down and teach him to accept companionship but that stuff just doesn't work in DND thanks to good ol player autonomy. Other players aren't side characters, love interests and rivals that are just going to inexplicably follow you to stroke your edge boi ego trip fantasy, of having devoted friends and followers that would die for you despite having the personality of a wet cat. They need to realize that if they have no reason to join the party then they need to give the party a reason to join them because "I'm full of angst and my background says I'm super strong!" is not a reason any sane person would jump on.

[@slacknhash]

Agreed. I've had plenty of edgelord moments when I was young, but now? If they can't think of a reason to join the party, then they can't think of a reason to play.

[@chaoticevilspacewitch]

My solution when I wanted to play a dragon was to introduce DRAGONLORD, a farm boy who got kicked in the head by a mule and woke up thinking he was an ancient dragon.

[@semi_systematic_vods]

"Was shocked at my high attack modifier" "Was confused that proficiency bonus applied to attacks" 2 questions 1: Has this DM not even gone over the basics? 2: Does this DM not know about how high an early level ranger using the archery style can get their attack bonus to?

[@AmonDevilman]

So you're telling me we need to talk about Kevin

[@BlueTressym]

Well, we've got to talk about someone and Bruno's out...

[@PaladinGear15]

My ex got a wish from the deck of many things, and decided to use the wish to turn my character into a full silver dragon. The DM started with the "oh it's fine I'll just edit the battles to make it harder and balance it out" but I knew that would screw with the whole party dynamic for everyone. So I got the DM to agree that outside of dragon form, my character was a totally normal wizard like he always had been, only difference being his hair and eyes went from brown to silver since apparently dragons always have their colour on their humanoid forms, especially their hair and eyes. Humanoid form did have immunity to cold, but that was it, and I essentially made it a rule for myself that I would only turn into a dragon if I had to save the party from a TPK scenario, or if I needed to take the party somewhere we couldn't travel to via conventional means.

[@x3tc1]

The second story could be from Germany. Over here the name Kevin is kind of a meme like Karen and Kyle.

[@nilge90]

OP mentioned € so good chance

[@zacharysieg2305]

You’re using chapters! Good on you, such a nifty feature. Oh, and give Lucky a head scratch for me.

[@silverbullet7691]

I would love to play a dragon stuck in human form! Like this dragon is so confused with these young people and their lingo and getting a big slice of humble pie having to be like creatures “beneath them.”

[@mackybell14]

For other dragons it would be humiliating...for a silver dragon, it would be a dream come true.

[@poesenpai6475]

To be fair I play pathfinder 1e. and Smites work completely different than how they do in 5e. My buddy actually explained how they work in 5e. to me the other night and to someone who is only familiar with pathfinder the 5e. version is completely busted (or at least would be if it functioned the same way in pathfinder) I feel like the DM in the last story was unaware of the differences between the systems and probably bias to what they already knew. Sorry for any grammar/punctuation/spelling I just had an eye doctors appointment and the drops are still working so everything is blurry lol... don't fail me now muscle memory (key placement) and spellchecker.

[@TheRPGNerd]

I will say, i have a character idea for a younger catfolk wizard who would join the party to become like the heroes he read about. child characters can be done well, if youre careful.

[@werebuffalo]

They can be, yes. With a group of players who already know (and trust) one another very well. That includes the DM. A relative stranger? Nope. Sorry, hard pass. It's far more likely to be squicky than cool. But you're right- with a trusted group, kid characters can be awesome.

[@AsraliaX2]

1 sentence characters aren't good for campaigns lol. Sounds good for a one shot however

[@TheRPGNerd]

@@AsraliaX2 this was... very heavily simplified? because i didnt wanna go on a multi-paragraph rant about a character idea esp when this is the youtube comment section. i could describe my first character in a similarly short way. most people could. the point was to give an example of "in the right contexts, child characters can be good", not to ramble about my character.

[@TheRPGNerd]

@@werebuffalo yeah, i agree. im pretty shy generally and id probably use another character in a game with people i dont know (likely one where i wouldnt get much spotlight, because i... dislike that with strangers) but i have friends who i would love to play with sometime if we can ever get to a point where all of us can. definitely dont lead with a character like this, because unfortunately some people get the wrong idea-

[@AsraliaX2]

@@TheRPGNerd good. It's just seems 1 dimensional in 1 sentence

[@chariotboi5061]

Ziggys animal crossing voice never gets old

[@thegreatcanadianweasel9928]

Child characters aren't always creeps. In the old versions it was kind of a common thing for the random tables to start character ages at like 16-20. So a 13 year old is not a stretch, but a player I don't know asking for that would have to give me good reason to allow it. If they have a backstory that fits and doesn't give off creepy vibes I would totally okay it. If a DM's lore says there haven't been dragons seen for 1000's of years, it's a safe bet that sooner or later they're going to make a reappearance in the story they have set up. (and OP hinted heavily at that). It makes no sense for a DM to have to basically rewrite a campaign just to fit a player's backstory. For the "kevin" story, I don't know why they'd want to play with that DM either, since he seemed just as into that scene as the problem player.

[@Xokoy]

"What wrong with the name Kevin?" There's a meme on Reddit where very dumb people are called Kevin/Kevina because of an answer that a teacher gave once on an Ask Reddit post about one of their students when they were a 9th grade teacher. There's even a subreddit about stories about dumb people called Stories About Kevin.

[@BlueTressym]

I didn't know that. I was thinking of its use as a Spear Counterpart of 'Karen'.

[@johnschroeder163]

The first story was awesome in that the OP seems to be single handedly trying to shut down our gracious Doge's site. (No crappy players, no tales of DnD woe. Snicker) But seriously, this is a DM who is making sure that he nips in the bud the array of silliness that lead to players and DM's having a bad time trying to enjoy a hobby that we all love. Keep up the good work, OP.

[@tsifirakiehl4250]

First story, part 1: OP sounds like a really good DM. When presented with an unworkable character concept, they tried to figure out how to alter it so it could work, rather than straight-up rejecting it. Too bad That Guy refused to compromise. First story, part 2: While there’s nothing inherently wrong with playing a kid, too many people use young characters as an excuse to be creeps. I don’t agree with the immediate rejection, though, since OP never explained why child characters aren’t allowed in their campaign. If there’s an actual reason why the campaign requires PCs to be adults, that’s fine, but if it’s just paranoia, I’d say give him a chance. Not all people who play kids are creeps. First story, part 3: Why would anyone want to get into a game, then basically refuse to play it? Again, good handling on OP’s part. First story, part 4: Yeah, that one couldn’t have been reworked. If That Guy could have just accepted that his concept didn’t fit the lore and made a new character, things could have been fine, but he just wouldn’t move on. Kind of stupid, if you ask me. Second story: Yes, D&D is a game where you can do anything, but if you do something stupid in-game, chances are, there will be consequences. And in this case, there barely WERE any consequences! 2.5 GP is basically nothing to even a starting PC. In the real world, punishments for tampering with a dead body are much, much harsher. Third story: First of all, the “problem” with the name Kevin is that in some circles, it’s the male version of the Karen meme. Second of all, if I was the DM, I would have just stopped inviting Kevin to my games. While I’ve been lucky enough to be running a game for my friends for over half a year, I understand that sometimes good friends don’t make good RPG partners-though I’d also stop being friends with him the instant he started being r@pey. Fourth story: No one is required to know all the rules of D&D, but if you’re going to be a DM, you need to at least read up on what your PCs can do. That’s literally the bare minimum.

[@SpitfiretheCat16]

Honestly, Kevin has usually been considered more of a "country bumpkin with 3 braincells to rub together at the best of times" name, a la r/storiesofkevin or whatever it's called.

[@Leshantra]

I think, even if it is just paranoia, you, as a DM, are allowed to ban underaged characters from your table. People who aren't creeps should be fine with this. You really don't have to play a child in a game of DnD. And I for myself would prefer to just erase this specific possibility, rather than having to interrupt the game as soon as the creeping begins. There are enough weird and creepy things that can be done by "normal" characters.

[@stevenschnepp576]

It's not paranoia, it's pattern recognition. I'm sure there are non-creeps who play child characters, but I've never encountered one in the wild.

[@MerlinCross13]

"Change the lore to fit my backstory" ... I could maybe make some slight changes like towns or trade routes, maybe travel stuff. Putting dragons back in AFTER I took them out.... No. Goodbye. That DM is a smart one.

[@lanir9543]

The "kevinisms" story: Is there even a single detail that doesn't scream "OP is a bully" in that story? I mean damn, maybe the guy is creepy and has really poor social skills (if we assume OP is describing events accurately) but just don't play in games with him at that point. What you shouldn't do unless you're a real problematic asshole is walk into a game holding a grudge against the guy, take it as a personal slight when he unknowingly wants to play a similar character, and have a derisive name for his actions (no grade school bully vibes here, not at all). The stuff at the end is sketchy but by then I don't much believe OP about anything. And even if entirely accurate, why would OP want to stay in a game where the DM is fine with doing things they don't like to the point of assuming rape happens when they're not looking? It sounds a lot more like they just imagined the worst so they could blame Kevin for it.

[@stevenschnepp576]

Quite a few people posting RPG horror stories come off as the villains in their own stories.

[@playernotfound9489]

"dragon" "kevin" IS THAT A FRACKIN' GODZILLA REFERENCE?!!??!

[@RealSeanithan]

That last DM: I always look at every character my players have, pay attention to their stats, abilities, spells, etc. This is so I don't do something stupid like make encounters way too easy or hard, but my biggest difficulty is finding a balance between playing into/against my players strengths and weaknesses on one hand and letting them do cool things on the other hand. I want to challenge my players, so I want to press into their weaknesses and defend against their strengths, but I want them to have fun, so I want them to be able to do the stuff they designed their characters to do. It's a hard balance for me.

[@informitas0117]

"I have no reason to follow the party" just make one, it's not that hard. How do you not realize that, that route will leave you with no game? It can be a shallow reason, it can be to betray them (but later realize how wrong you were.), you want to escort them away from your home city as they are crazy. All of it is better than kicking rocks. I really don't get it. If you are privileged enough to be able to play you better do the mist of it.

[@BlueTressym]

In some cases, it's an ego thing. They want to make the DM/rest of the party try to convince them; they never realise that the party, who don't know the character from Adam, have no obligation whatsoever to invite along the edgelord in the corner. Often, you get groups who will pander to this and it gives the problem player a power kick because they can get their own way by just refusing to cooperate unless the party is doing what they want. So, they don't see it as an alternative to kicking rocks because they don't believe the party will leave them behind. It's basically an abuse of the OOC social contract. That is, of course, the worst version of that type. There are others who have been used to thinking the DM will give them a reason, and some DMs don't expect it (which I had earlier in my D&D career) or even want it because they have a plan, so it can be a difference in style or expectations. Some DMs also do prologues or intro scenes to create that reason to leave and it may be that some players are used to that being the case. Or, maybe some people fall into what I used to; getting super-immersed and making a character that they love but accidentally painting themselves into a corner when their creation runs off with them and they realise very belatedly that the character they made lacks the motivation to adventure, or for some other reason, joining the party doesn't make sense for them. It's harder than some people give it credit for to change a character you've created and love, even when you know you need to. Doable yes, but it sucks to realise the stuff you've created and love just- doesn't work for the situation or story you made them for. 😢

[@natanaelhernandez9608]

First thing that came to my mind when reading the title. “Hey there, Friends! My name is Kevin.” (Although that Kevin is a great guy, unlike the Kevin in this story)

[@Driger1792]

One of my favorite D&D channels

[@deepseastonecore3017]

Thanks 4 all the hard work.

[@Sl4wt3r]

The dragonslayer family one, the player might not like it, but you could work it as a family of charlatans trying to hold onto the long lost glory of an ancient line of dragonslayers (the last thousand years or so were all imposters, it's a dark family secret, shh!) And they kept their name upthrough sheer audacity and hoaxes EDIT: Just want to say Amid Evil is such a good game and the aesthetics are just gorgeous. Can't wait for its expack.

[@djimonmcdonald9085]

Another good morning for doge. And to the kitties.

[@johnschroeder163]

A bit of social context for our gracious host - a "Kevin" is the male equivalent of a female "Karen"

[@Creshosk]

I thought a Kevin was just someone who was an idiot. With Kevina being a female version.

[@SirXer]

Ziggy is very adorable, and I loved the Simba close up

[@porkupineexe6862]

2:01 with an internet stranger I could see this being a real problem, but also in my party right now we have an 11ish year old person who has genuinely been one of the most interesting characters at the table We’re playing GURPs The Reign Of Steel (Think Terminator but there are 18 individual AI and significantly more time travel) and the character is supposed to have been a child that was the product of a genetic and cybernetic experimentation, which gives us this really interesting dynamic where the other players who are playing adult characters approach the game with the typical “Robots are evil” lens are directly juxtaposed by the opinion of a child who parents were the robots. Anyways all of this to say: if you trust the person and they have a really weird character idea sometimes it can be worthwhile to let it play out.

[@kalajel]

In case you did not know, Kevins are the male version of Karens.

[@jepaai20]

Kens are the male versions of Karens. Kevins are total idiots who often mess things up with their stupidity. Hence why there's a subreddit called StoriesAboutKevin.

[@slagarcrue85]

Ziggy speaks more then one language what a gifted little kawiia el gato. You have five adorable el gatos.

[@sunzi42]

First four stories: four versions of "Main Character!"

[@theofficerfactory2625]

Uh... I think Ziggy's voice mod needs some tuning. He sounds demonic. Story 1: Sometimes the universe aligns where the crazies come out and are drawn to a particular DM. Poor guy. I have a female warrior nun or a female warrior priestess (fighter/cleric) that I would love to play as! Story 2: Uh, what? What's wrong with you player?!?! That's just sick! What OP did was within reason. Probably one of those non-punished for my bad consequences types of people in real life. Story 3: I feel attacked at the title as I am a Kevin. (shudder) Why?! Why must you disgrace us Kevin's who play?!?!?! Even Simba is like "The horrors I had heard." Story 4: Hostile DM! Awww. Alice has a cute quiet meow.

[@iank472]

In the 'Dragonslayer' situation I would have given them the option of the entire thing being a scam. For generations the family has manufactured fake 'dragon' trophies using lesser drakes and large reptiles. I'd even allow the player to have 'dragonscale' armour and weapons with no bonus stats as they are just normal gear with lizard bits stuck on!

[@PaladinGear15]

I *just* finished watching all the seasons of the office yesterday, and today it shows up in the Doge's stories xD

[@NottaClu]

Okay but a dragon trapped in a human form is a pretty cool idea i might have to use that for an oc

[@nocount7517]

"What's wrong with the name Kevin?" Ever heard of the subReddit, Stories About Kevin?

[@tenshyklonik]

About the "Change the entire world to be compatible with my background" bs, I have a group that never make the campaign for one simple reason, there was a party of three, one of them have the interest of the game of a wet tissue, the second one wants me to change the entire disposition of ALL the ley lines only to match with his background... and the last one... want me to change ALL the females of non humans species to being "Sexys" like the lycaon race, a human wolf hibryd like zootopia movie, but more barbaric ppl, so he wants the female to be "Sexy human with only tail and animal ears", when I ask why, he, no joke, told me "Bc is not sexy and I can´t f*ck them"... they ask me month later why I didnt make the campaing...

[@dragowolfraven3806]

Wow. The guy sounds like Issei from Highschool DxD. No wait I take it back. Issei was a pervert but he had morals and lines he wouldn't cross. This guy was just gross.😅

[@stevenschnepp576]

@@dragowolfraven3806 Issei is a heroic pervert, but even he doesn't deserve to be compared to a furry.

[@MogofWar]

"You don't add proficiency bonus to attacks..." *>Flips to the page where it flat out says you add proficiency bonus to attacks with proficient weapons...* Seriously I would have reported this guy to the school administrators, and reported that he accused players of cheating who were not cheating because he had no understanding of the rules. Could be a case of the DM did not own any 5E books so he was winging everything on the fly, and was only DMing for 5E because that's what all the players knew... Bear in mind, playing by your own homebrew rules is fine, but be honest with your players that this is what you are doing. And if you're using what I would call "Compressed Mechanics" you need to explain to your players that certain features will not be present. (Of course a DM from a 4E, 3.5, or Pathfinder Background will likely be taken aback by how quickly the martial players get their 2nd and 3rd attacks or how multi-attacks are standard actions instead of full round actions... But OG' and 2nd Edition players know where this comes from.) Another possibility is the DM knew full well proficiency bonus added to attacks. Ruled against it just to nerf the player's "overpowered character" which probably violates the school's harassment policies.

[@REfan2002]

Ziggy, go Nini. And of course Kevin ruins the game.

[@werebuffalo]

Alice expresses my opinion on the matter perfectly.

[@RiveroftheWither]

You should take a look at r/ Stories About Kevin. Kinda like how "Karen's" are people who throw major fits in public about not getting their way, "Kevin's" are people who are generally really stubborn and very VERY stupid.

[@12XFixer]

There is a major problem with people who say "My character has no reason to be with the party". If you made the character, it's up to you to make the reason. As a player, you can ask the DM what kind of story is being told or what the other characters are like. There are ways to find character goals and aspirations. Even if it's as simple as dead family avenging or you just happen to overhear the other characters, or even being hired as a guide for a party that is new to the area. That excuse makes no sense, because nobody forces you to play a character. You make the character you want and make few tweaks if needed. If anyone actually read my nonsense, sorry for the rant, but I was angry.

[@realdragon]

I want to play dragon at some point, but at least I have plan and explanation how to make him weak as much as however I want

[@StateBlaze1989]

Simba: I sent you my beans. Please respond.

[@AaronJLong]

The game in this video is giving me strong Hexen vibes. Loved playing that on the N64.

[@porkupineexe6862]

Amid Evil slaps dude. I think that same company dropped Ultrakill which is a more face paced style but still in boomer shooter genre. You gotta go play their entire catalogue if you liked Doom and HeXen

[@ryanrizzo4869]

Morning, Doge!! :D

[@Gripen1974]

Only time i decided to not follow the group was when i saw it as good spot to take time out, for i should be away in work for 2 weeks and loose out on 4-5 game opportunities so it felt it was best to stay out and join up again when returned from work.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

What, you've never been on r/storiesaboutkevin? The name has some real notoriety

[@Sigilstone17]

Was the player in the second story named Goge Vandire?

[@dead_vibes]

Do DM's not read the players handbook? That last DM would lose his mind about a Monk Elf getting proficiency bonus with a Great Sword from the new books.

[@katahdin5300]

The player poking the dead character's eye socket would really be mad in my world especially in the areas where the church rules. He would be accused of necromancy and likely be put to death. The centaur and dragon guy? No. If it don't fit the setting then you don't get to play it. Same with people wanting to play creepy anime-like child characters. No.....end of discussion. Kevin sounds odd. In my games characters play the "good guys and gals" as l do not allow evil characters. Villains in my world do very evil things but, like in movies, you have to have a reason to fight the bad guys. Characters that are supposed to be the heroes that do evil things never last too long. I guess l avoid a lot of these issues by interviewing potential players for my games. All my games are in my home and in person. I only allow adults in my game (21 years and up). I might consider 18-20 being in group but usually they need to be 21 as we have alcohol and smoking at times and here in the U. S. Our laws are over the board as far as what is considered an adult. Oh...love the cats. I have 9 cats.

[@schwarzerritter5724]

What is odd about the Kevin story is that the author forced Kevin to change his character, despite nothing being wroth with it. I do find it understandable if Kevin made a troll character as a replacement.

[@novadrake9232]

The dnd doge the named Kevin is associated with the meme of a dumb person who is basically named Kevin

[@DespairDoctor]

There's a subreddit called Stories About Kevin, it's stories about stupid people doing stupid things, that's what OP is referring to.

[@moonmoon4537]

8:48 Kevin detected

[@DisneyChar]

I would have accepted the dragon slayer, class his armor as studded leather and require a deception check when he talks about it, also his family is disgraced alleged dragon slayers since nobody remembers dragons For the fine... I've heard peasants make 1 gold per year, an overreaction from the player but if you game matches that pay scale he might have read it as massively oppressive railroad

[@tylercoddington1990]

Kevin is one of the male names for karens

[@kevinchong5424]

Anyone can tell me what language Ziggy speaks?

[@DnDDoge]

Its all of them. Accept English

[@kevinchong5424]

@@DnDDoge Ok then it's just me always having a problem understanding Ziggy 😁

[@Logitah]

Alice says EEP!

[@VampireBatLord]

Just cuz your comment; If you aren't aware Doge--"Kevin" is nickname term for "oblivious dumbass" kinda person. (See Kevin from The Office as where name comes from. Most are genuinely just that lacking up there, and totally oblivious to how damned bad they can get. Most cases are laughable stuff, not super offensive or anything.) Appreciate the fun read listens once again bud ^^

[@Pandadude-eg9li]

8:00 there are a lot of people by name of Kevin who tend to be jerks. I think it originated from Ed Edd and Eddy's own Kevin, but it may just be an opposite gender trope of Karen.

[@Doran_Runeblite]

Did the last DM never read the rules? Like come on, that was such a basic mechanic.

[@marybdrake1472]

I have been accused of cheating myself. It was while playing Yu-Gi-Oh! and not D&D. The reason, I simply had a better strategy, and used my cards in exactly the way they intended to be used. So yeah, it's a similar case. And I really don't understand that "I have no reason to follow the party." nonsense. Why are you even there to begin with? The DM. having the rest leave them behind is the right call.

[@novadrake9232]

Hey dnd doge I got a cute puppy named buddy watching the video

[@jaysonklein6018]

What game are you playing in the bg, Doge?

[@DnDDoge]

Amid Evil

[@jaysonklein6018]

@@DnDDoge awesome

[@WladcaPodziemia]

"Kevin" referse to character from "The Office" (USA) and is adopted by Reddit to mean idiot

[@theinquisitorisamage1653]

Mornin' Doge - hope your day/evening is going well!

[@SnaxTheSnaxolotl]

Dawwww sleepy Ziggy

[@schwarzerritter5724]

There is something odd about the KEVIN story. You acknowledged it is a shame the campaign fell through, because the author spend a lot of time on his character. But why do you believe KEVIN did not? You know, the character KEVIN was not allowed to play, because the author wanted to play something similar? If you spend a lot of time creating a character in a game where the characters are supposed to be a surprise to the other players and before the game starts, the DM told you, you have to change your character, because the DM did tell another player who wants you to change, are you seriously telling me the replacement w o n ' t be a troll character?

[@vortega472]

Oh look at that face! Hi Ziggy. Wow that's some horrible stories today with horrible people. When's the next Video!!! ;) Oh I love Alice's little squeak. My tabby when excited sounds like a duck.

[@ida6950]

I bet the Kevin-Story took place in Germany. The name Kevin has a really bad reputation here

[@stevenschnepp576]

If by "Germany" you mean "pretty much everywhere infected with internet culture", then yes.

[@dragowolfraven3806]

Good morning everyone.😊 So the dragon guy just wanted to play a OP character? And another one wanted to play a 13 year old girl?*gags*😛

[@slagarcrue85]

It’s good cop bad cop doggie. Your character adorable and as cute as always. You want a belly rub. Not meant to me sexual. God I can’t believe I have to clarify that so embarrassing online behavior is at times

[@garfjaconsen1161]

I really want to know what's the issue with the name Kevin.

[@tytoalba605]

While you say they don't read the lore I can say I've had 0 input on lor not lore given Besides hints in all games I've played so far ie not enough data to knitting my ideas into thiers and got no replies when I've asked for lore

[@ShadyDaisy]

Not all of these GM reactions are the right one. I walked into this video thinking there was a point to it more than reading reddit comments.

[@fremontstaples1752]

Silly ziggy

[@cavedragon4383]

What's wrong with the name Kevin? I think it ryms with Karin.

[@amythepandemonium3673]

sorry to be the 667th like, but someone had to do it

[@mrosskne]

Jesus christ you're running 5e and you don't know prof bonus applies to attack rolls? How do you walk and breathe at the same time?

[@derajtheyuler7101]

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[@Safer7Sephiroth]

That gm that dropped a guy "because he has no reason to follow the party" is a toxic GM. He literally went "no, you didnt do this one relatively inconcequential thing good enough *rips up character sheet* do it again." Backstories can be fun for a GM to work into the story but it shouldn't be forced onto a player. Sometimes the fighter or wizard is there because fighting the bbeg is the right thing to do or because there was a paying quest.

[@asioca1992]

It's not toxic to expect the players at the table to make characters who want to participate in the campaign and participate in said campaign as a group. Also, the fighter or the wizard being there because they want to fight the bbeg is already a viable reason for following the party around, so I'm not sure what you're driving at.

[@Lersa25]

It was not DM who decided he had no reason to join the party. It was the player himself. If the player would say "I join you to make the good thing", it would be fine for the DM. The player said "I will not join you, I have no reason to". What else could the DM do, run another game for the one guy who wanted to sit in a tavern alone and drink?

[@Safer7Sephiroth]

@@Lersa25 I think this DM is an unreliable narrator. 1. this is one story in a group from a GM that's complaining he can't find players, this is a red flag. 2. From the story after it's revealed that the GM puts a lot of thought into his worlds, coming up with written campaign backgrounds. I get the feeling that these are a bit on the long side. I had a GM once dump a novel in my lap and tell me I had a week to get through it, make a character appropriate to the lore (there are certain races/classes that don't exist in this world, it's all in the novel, no I won't give you a quick list, read my book) with a minimum two page backstory (for a level 1 character) I get the distinct feeling that OP is a similar style GM, and the real story is more like the player didn't have the time to read through all the material and got treated poorly for it.

[@Lersa25]

@@Safer7Sephiroth Well, as soon as you decide to think the narrator is unreliable, you can assume literally everything. OP may be toxic, he may be not even a DM, all his words are lies, etc. If that's how you choose to perceive, who am I to tell you otherwise. I was in groups with players who would literally not join the party because they were not interested in the campaign. And I have no idea why would you join a game you don't want to play and don't care for the lore and anything the DM is doing. If you don't want to read, don't. Just find another game. You are not interested in what this DM wants to run, why are you joining?

[@asioca1992]

@@Safer7Sephiroth Why would you even bother joining the campaign if you had no interest in making a character that wanted to participate in it? It's like joining a book club and refusing to read anything, why are you even there at that point?

[@Wrathura]

One of the reasons I make new players use dndbeyond (ya ya controversial). It ends arguments. "It doesn't do-" "What does it say on the page? That's what we're going with." :3