The 10Best Cars of 2023 | Car and Driver

[@stevethomas760]

Picked up a GR Corolla a couple weeks ago. At 73, ya don't have to stop living.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Haha good for you. Blow some donuts in a snow covered parking lot. That car has gotta be a riot

[@Dankershim]

You're a legend mate

[@narrowistheway77]

How long ago did you order one? Those aren’t easy to get

[@clu4u]

I’m the same age, got a 981 Spyder when I hit 70…

[@JacesOwnWorld]

I hope you had the money in cash up front because at 73, you should…

[@andreww2927]

I’m just so glad that car and driver continues to be a reference calibre source of information. The history needs to be maintained, and despite all of the competition, their testing at VIR combined their thoroughly driver oriented 10 best year after year, continues to be an irreplaceable resource for me. Thank you Carlos (and Csaba, you legend) and to the rest of the team. You’re all part of the legend.

[@harlequin75]

I’ve followed them since the 80’s. They are predictable

[@YEETYfrmXBOX]

I could listen to this guy all day. Rented a cayman for Christmas, and im pretty confident that it was the greatest driving experience you could wish to have.

[@irishsoccerguy]

How did you rent one?

[@YEETYfrmXBOX]

@@irishsoccerguy an app called turo. If not many cars pop up around you, you can zoom out on the map and search a bigger area

[@frankanderson4176]

I could barely stand this guy within the first minute. The over-animated, purposed exercise in creative writing type of dialogue with the up & down speech patterns then, he's a hand talker! Waving his hands & arms around, standing on his toes, etc., all meaningless. Enough with the storybook style already. A very distracting and annoying presentation.

[@jamesm9486]

Wow Frank, you most likely hate Christmas as well@@frankanderson4176

[@drew6116]

I took a short test drive in an i4 Spring '22 and thought it was terrific. I'm a lifelong Bimmer guy and am very pleased C&D likes it. I really didn't put it through its paces. Alas, that nutty grill and 2 pedals will keep it out of my garage in the foreseeable future. Kudos to GM for having more than one car in the list!!

[@jeffk464]

Wow, an electric BMW with almost no need for a grill and BMW still stuck that super ugly giant nostril grill on it. BMW is super committed to the grill. The new M4 is supposed to be great, but I'm guessing a huge percent of potential buyers are staying away because of that grill. Its like a woman that you could tell would be really attractive if only she got a nose job.

[@Dolby109]

Sadly I don't see it likely that any production electric car will ever have a manual. If I had the money I'd get several of the cars on the list right now as they will probably hold their value quite well.

[@Sommers234]

@@Dolby109 unfortunately, EV does mean no more manual. I'm 69 so figure I 'll never have to give up manual as long as I"m able to drive it. if you like them that much, take your time and shop around for something ! There are still plenty around. Honda, BMW, etc... E46 BMW can be a good choice. I have a '72 2002 and a 2002 330cic (E46).

[@Dolby109]

@@Sommers234 Yeah I have 4 manual cars and got one for my kid, so hopefully I won't run out :p Still really want one of the Blackwings but that's a bit out of my budget.

[@DavidM2002]

I have a Cayman and it certainly isn't short on storage space - a trunk and a frunk has more than enough space for 2 people on a long road trip. Part of the secret is to use soft bags to pack your stuff in.

[@danrook5757]

What about shopping bags

[@DavidM2002]

@@danrook5757 She stays home.

[@rcarter6885]

I have a 2013 Boxster and two carry-on bags fit easily in the Frunk. I also got two sets of golf clubs in by taking the clubs out and putting them behind the seats and then the bags in the back trunk!!

[@nishantjoshi2397]

BMW m340 should be on the list over the i4 right now. Ridiculously great balance of luxury, raw performance, and value for what it provides at its price point. Best all around priced “performance car”

[@alexandrumates88]

This video is as good as the article. The only issue I take is that the majority of these vehicles are actually NOT available at your local dealership nor will they be because they won't take order. And if you're lucky enough to get the call you'll pay significantly over MSRP. Which begs the question, should this award go to limited edition models? If you don't agree or believe me, try to buy 5 of the 10 cars listed, you pick which 5. Let me know what happens.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

GM, Honda and Toyota are doing very well. Surprised not to see the Elantra N.

[@pan4632]

Child labor and failing engines/transmissions probably disqualified it...

[@mharro88]

Same best value car by far

[@theofficialwizard2753]

Honestly

[@theofficialwizard2753]

Honestly

[@scottthomson9813]

Hyundai didn't pay them enough apparently

[@mickster1780]

i'll take one of each

[@Dolby109]

I am glad that 7/10 cars on this list offer manuals.

[@norwegianblue2017]

3 GM, 2 Honda, 1 Toyota, 1 Toyota/Subaru hybrid, 1 Toyota/BMW hybrid, 1 BMW and 1 Porsche. Never thought I would see a Top 10 with GM taking 3 spots! Especially since this list doesn't include any SUVs.

[@trance9158]

Porsche always every day!!

[@CaptainTonus]

You can't really walk into any Cadillac dealership and buy a CT5-V Blackwing 6spd. It's a little more difficult than that...

[@pablonator3000able]

Some of us have better credit, everyone's scenario is different depending on your bank account.

[@CaptainTonus]

@@pablonator3000able it's not a credit issue, it's a stock issue. Dealers don't have them in stock

[@drew6116]

@@pablonator3000able yeah I didn't hear that as a financial thing

[@MikeYurbasovich]

@@pablonator3000able 🤡

[@pablonator3000able]

@@MikeYurbasovich i apologize this comment left you in a state of retaliation.

[@carlbeveridge384]

I ❤my CT4 Blackwing!!!

[@pablonator3000able]

If its 6speed manual never get rid of it.

[@carlbeveridge384]

@@pablonator3000able Fully loaded 6 speed manual.

[@jtthebrick3]

Same! Infared red with the manual! Keeping it until the wheels fall off!

[@carlbeveridge384]

@@jtthebrick3 Wave blue with Sky Grey interior.

[@jtthebrick3]

@@carlbeveridge384 Love it! Great combination! Actually headed out to the Cadillac V School tomorrow!

[@benjaminkohl342]

Car and Driver continues to get confused by the BMW window stickers. Re the i4: The curved display with iDrive 8 is standard, not optional. The option you're referring to, "Curved Display with Head Up Display", is JUST adding the HUD. Nothing more.

[@Dolby109]

Wow you owned them big time with your useless knowledge of one option.

[@chrisa.8175]

Rich win again.. 🏆 under $30.000 is most common people. And that is a 6 yr bank payment.. 🏦 i love looking but most in our economy can only dream of owning one of these 10 best.

[@JBsC6]

Great show. Great list of ten best Carlos Lago,!

[@CarlosLago]

Thanks but it's a massive team effort! Kudos to the entire C/D crew for doing the hard work.

[@Saveamerica4321]

Corvette all the way C7 or C8 are best for the money 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@jimwillingham8052]

This is the best car that I have ever owned. Better than a M car, S car, or AMG car. Phenomenal steering and road feel.

[@stevebrodey7693]

Couldn’t be happier with my 2021 Supra!

[@germanengineering204]

B58 gang!

[@jamesstephen5694]

Why didn't the Mazda Miata (MX-5) make it on your list? Soft top or the RF. What a great car. It has been on there every year, since last year and this year.

[@oldretrogamer78]

It looks like the BRZ/86 has taken its place on this list.

[@BDA0531]

@@layne4376 if they werent plagued by RTV issues then maybe.

[@JC-lk3oy]

@BDA because the internet has never blown an issue out of proportion. The reality is it does look to be the RTV issue that's blowing engines. It seems to be an issue with the sump in general. Adding a baffle to the oil pan is the solution. So far, it seems most engines fail due to oil starvation during extremely hard cornering. Hence why the baffled oil pan is the actual solution. Obviously, you should remove the debris from the pickup tube while you're in there though. If you look at the pics of the rtv in the pickup, you will see there is still plenty of room for oil to flow freely. Pickup tubes are designed to have much more flow potential than needed, in general.

[@BDA0531]

@@JC-lk3oy but the fact you need to do all of that for a brand new car is beyond ridiculous. New customers shouldnt have to worry about reliability issues

[@oldretrogamer78]

@@layne4376 Different more than superior.

[@davidrivera2165]

Brock Yates & David E. Davis would be proud of this true 10 Best cars list. Stay the new course C&D of focusing on enthusiasts cars seperate from SUVs. Trucks, COs. This 62 year old is even glad to see a worthy EV on the list. Thanks.

[@donswier]

Would LJK Setright approve?

[@JohnUSA7]

I am enjoying my 2022 Corvette C8 2LT Coupe, it is just a fantastic sports car, puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.

[@richardmichael59]

Damn well better for the money.

[@Spinks345]

Carlos - wonderful writing, prose and delivery. Keep it up.

[@RGBRacing]

They should redo this but include the avg dealer markup into the price. Good luck finding a ZO6 for under 110k lol

[@spartan63530]

GR Corolla and Civic Type R have crazy markups too 😂

[@chrisdraudt3713]

100%

[@andreisevostianov9525]

Even GR86s get $7500+ markups (CA).

[@jeffk464]

Its still not a great time to be buying a new car, maybe better than a year ago, but still not good.

[@stephancunningham2024]

I’m happy to see 3 of my favorite cars on this list, CT5-v blackwing, Z06 and the new accord.

BRZ/GT86/GR Corolla/ GR Yaris ( euro) are a true definition of "Fun to Drive"🏆

[@Dolby109]

Pretty sure every manual car on the list qualifies.

[@Powaup]

Yaay. Supra on the list 3 years in a row. Makes us owners proud

[@paulstabin6233]

A well thought out list. Condolences to Miata, Emira, Nissan Z, WRX, Hyundai N car. owners, etc. Nice to see Honda recognized for a great lineup, even if the Accord has seen better days. I am still enjoying my '18 Type R, and loved the SI that preceded it. Even as an owner of a 4 cylinder turbo hot hatch, a Boxster or Cayman without that glorious six cylinder just feels wrong. The cars in this list I most want to test drive? The CTV4 and CTV5. I drove the CTS- V - the 556 hp version, at the Bondurant Racing School and it was a relevation. I can only imagine how good this series is now.

[@anydaynow01]

Yeah it's a shame that Cadillac's final got it together but insists on going all electric. They can keep producing a few ICE sports sedans (that engine is a masterpiece so no more R&D really needs to be done), then the majority of their fleet can be EV commuting appliances and land yachts since quiet reliability is what those drivers really want. At least these last few Cadillac ICE cars are a fitting swan song, way better looking than anything Lexus or BMW has come out with recently and they have the performance to keep up!

[@v7nf]

@@anydaynow01 we own a caddillac but we wont be going electric so to bad,good car I work at honda building cars and its a sound car,might be our next.

[@marcosvaldes8910]

Love my 981 Cayman 3.4L H6. That engine sounds glorious.

[@superchargedsteve3411]

Wait, the i4 is 1200 LBS HEAVIER THAN AN M3?!! Sorry but weight is the enemy of handling guys.

[@jeffk464]

Low CG helps, you can put a bigger tire patch on it but still.

[@sk-un5jq]

CD needs to do 10 Most Recommended For Real Peoples Budgets (ie. no luxury or sports cars)

[@thesorrow312]

Thats what the civic and accord are for

[@Bmontepeque11]

The GR 86 should never be Turbo charged, nothing beats the purity of N/A cars, and if you want a Turbo 86 that's literally why the Toyota Supra exists whether you want it in I6 or I4 form, because the 86 is the pure sports car, the Supra is the fast one!

[@michaelserrano9334]

Agreed!!

[@GT-RTData9]

I always say the 2.0 Supra is just an 86 with a turbo, more horsepower and an automatic that’s actually worth a damn.

[@jmm1174]

Or it could have a 6 cylinders NA

[@mharro88]

It needs something. It's boring

[@Bmontepeque11]

@@michaelserrano9334 Definitely!

[@bwcastillo]

That accord is too good looking to not get the 2.0 They need to find a way to make that available again.

[@jmm1174]

Agree if they don't offer the faster 2.0T I would instead go for the previous generation

[@remyd8767]

@@jmm1174 why wouldn't you go for the previous generation anyway? Cheaper, more reliable, more aftermarket parts

[@jeffk464]

Indeed the 2.0T and traditional automatic.

[@cultofmodernism8477]

GM killing it!

[@godisgood117]

RIP 1. Chrysler 300 ('23) 2. Dodge Charger/Challenger ('23) 3. Audi TT ('23) 4. Chevy Camaro ('24) 5. Toyota Avalon ('22) 6. VW Passat ('22) 7. Audi R8 ('23)

[@TheBlueCreeper-]

3 Toyotas on a C&D top10? Am I dreaming? Best-selling brand (excluding Tesla) is starting to make cars people want to buy besides just the “economy”. LOVE IT! Keep them coming Toyota!

[@alexk8401]

Toyota is killing it overall. Their lineup is diverse in engine, vehicle type, and design. I respect Toyota sees that going to a fully electric lineup is not the safest bet. Never put all your eggs in one basket. Smart businesses that deliver great products that people love always win, opposed to the companies that just follow the current trend.

[@johnrose7212]

one of the Toyotas was a BMW. so BMW is killing it

[@kobedabest]

@@johnrose7212 I don't see the Z4 on the list... So, Toyota made a better BMW thann BMW. 😂

[@MikeYurbasovich]

@@johnrose7212 I will not buy any German electrical products, they're the worst electrical engineers in the world.

[@RareAirTwo4]

@@johnrose7212 damn right. It should've been called the BMW Supra. The last Supra was the 1998 MKIV.

[@RiverRat1953]

The first new car that I bought in 45 years was the 2023 Camry SE AWD and I am loving it immensely!

[@velocityvibezzz]

So no elantra N ?

[@pablonator3000able]

Sorry Hyundai and kia

[@psewgobind]

Lucky for me, since shorter wait.

[@pablonator3000able]

@Navy Patriot101 I still don't know how peeps spend 50k on their trash Genesis lineup

[@dennisholehouse1906]

Great walk around Thank you

[@jackalclone1]

Too many of the cars on this list have MSRP way beyond common buyers' budgets. It'd be nice to have a separate list comprised of more affordable vehicles.

[@fluffymustdienow]

A 50K and below list would certainly be nice.

[@richardmichael59]

C&D take note?

[@anthonyr1930]

Those wouldn’t be the “best” though. So that would defeat the purpose

[@fluffymustdienow]

@@anthonyr1930 I mean, why cap it at 110K when these couldn't possibly be the "best" cars compared to [insert ridiculously expensive car here *cough* porsche 911 turbo s]. There is a conditional here, just as there would be for "best vehicles under 50K". You can still find the "best" in a category.

[@anthonyr1930]

@@fluffymustdienow that’s true, this list they do is for average people I suppose. A list under $50k wouldn’t really be interesting in my opinion. There would be virtually no differences.

[@rogerodle8750]

Honda Accord: 1.5 liter turbo 4 w/cvt (hard pass) or a hybrid (harder pass).

[@Jcastro9444]

List shouldve had the Hyundai Elantra N

[@willyjameshuff]

lol they can’t get past the god awful looks 😂

[@rickintexas1584]

I have my eye on the CT5 Blackwing to replace my Panamera. I love my Panamera, but that 682 HP Blackwing just looks amazing.

[@Linclonable]

toyota killing it i hope other manufacturers see people want exciting cars

[@bobmitchell8012]

They are Crap.

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Exciting if you are a midget that like low powered cars lol. Most people don’t care to spend money on overpriced kids cars that Toyota and Honda make.

[@jtbeale85]

I’m glad these guys did a proper video on top 10. They are the superior motoring journalists in the US and I hope they do more pivots to video (which is where it’s at) content

[@k9gamerz145]

On the list for a 2024 cyber yellow Ct4 blackwing.

[@van123446]

nice reporting Carlos

[@k-van9570]

The GR86 just arrived to Sweden. Dealers here want over 40k, converted to USD. Not a great price range here unfortunately.

[@kuladeeluxe]

You can order a base BRZ for $22,500 USd in Canada.

[@k-van9570]

@@kuladeeluxe wow, what a price difference. Really wierd.

[@andreisevostianov9525]

The same shit is hear in California. I’ve been shopping for it for a while. Looks like every dealer puts a markup $7500+ or wants you in the dealership for negotiating that markup.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

I'm currently in Sweden, take me with you to the dealer, I'll haggle those MFers for you.

[@Dolby109]

What do the alternatives cost?

[@suserman7775]

This list reminds me of why I always preferred Motor Trend.

[@avirgilio71]

My sentiments exactly. Such a typical C&D list choosing sponsoring manufacturers. Not a very objective process IMO

[@m87orion]

Very informative and great video!👑

[@joshuazavala2311]

no elantra n ?

[@manueldooc2758]

I always prefer suv than sedan it's comportable excellent driver view and safety.

[@mediocreman2]

As much as those Corollas are being marked up to, I'd rather take the better performing and better looking CT4-V Blackwing.

[@mikem9049]

Lago is the best in the industry for video content on cars

[@boboutelama5748]

You know you are killing it when car&driver gives 3 spots of the best cars 2023 to your brand. The craziest thing is, the Lexus LC500 and the IS350 could also rightfully defend a good spot in this list. It's crazy that the brand we associated for so long with boring cars, are putting one of the most exciting cars of the end of the ICE era on our roads.

[@anydaynow01]

I still think they should have rebadged a budget version of the LC500 as the new Supra like they were planning to, like the Nissan Z the real Supras were always just fast fun touring cars, then if they wanted to sell a tuner version of the BMW Z4 call it something else. The advertising department won in the end though so slap a Supra badge on a Japanese tuner version of German engineering and sell them like crazy to the Fast and Furious nostalgia crowd, and sell they have, though for 60k I would rather take the better looking M40i and "tune" it myself with some Öhlins DFVs.

[@timmyp34]

Winter tires makes a corvette Ok in winter? Maybe in Florida.

[@kuladeeluxe]

Toyota...I'm impressed. Keep making fun gas powered cars.

[@dpakmah2097]

More like car and driver's 10 cars that fit the hip and young audience

[@GLI_1701]

Although I enjoy Car and Driver this top 10 list is basically vehicles that the average consumer could not afford which is sad. Most of the vehicles in this list are over $45,000. Basically if you're not making $100,000 a year you're not driving or owning any of these cars maybe you should do a separate segment for everyday drivers

[@franksterner6789]

Love the shoe booties during the Corolla review😂

[@ms-jl6dl]

What about the Yugo 55? Very nice car,my father ownes one.

[@danrook5757]

What year

[@billtribble2904]

I dunno. The C8 can be squirrelly at the limit. Design flaw?

[@liamporter1137]

Wow, awesome summary!

[@Angelbonilla1982]

The only thing I wish is that the Black Wing batch were Black!!

[@oldwhitedevil9388]

Will the EV charge at 5* F? Or will you be waiting for the battery to warm up; which at 5* it will not do!

[@TheSiege2]

I think the BMW M240i is a much better version of the Toyota Supra. It comes in RWD and AWD so you can drive in comfortably in northern climates. It has a back seat and a larger boot. It even has a much nicer interior. The only thing it lacks is that manual transmission but xDrive is so brilliant you don't miss it.

[@hardchemist]

Top 1 & 3 spots are the product of partnerships! Maybe this is a good omen for 2023.

[@sunrisesunset1734]

From where did you glean this incorrect information?

[@hardchemist]

@@sunrisesunset1734 Oh yeah, #2 was the Corolla, right? #3 is the BRZ/GR86. I have a BRZ on order so I accidentally inflated the ranking lol

[@sunrisesunset1734]

@@hardchemist Lol, congrats. I prefer the Corolla because of AWD and the option to dial in power distribution to front or rear, mainly because you can drive like a lunatic on any surface, tarmac gravel and snow!

[@hardchemist]

@@sunrisesunset1734 I know, and that sounds very cool, but there's just something about having at least one RWD sports car in your life. I'm down in FL so this is probably all the traction needed :)

[@sunrisesunset1734]

@@hardchemist agreed, donuts make dozens lol

[@LanceEJones]

Thank you! And, it's criminal to not showcase that Cadillac V8!

[@tross549]

Genesis G70!

[@number1Schumacherfan]

Nice to see BMW on this list twice. A great return to form for the roundel from Munich

[@mbojilov1]

I only saw one BMW on the list. Where was the second?

[@number1Schumacherfan]

@@mbojilov1 The Supra is a rebadged BMW

[@mbojilov1]

I did hear them say that but they didn’t say which BMW - a rebadged 3 series, 2 series, etc.? And why isn’t that original on the list but it’s the rebadged product?

[@kineticU]

Hmmm 2 out of ten in the stable albeit prior year variants. Wish I could try the Corolla…never thought that I would say that of a Corolla 😂

[@marklloyd4153]

The Alpha platform Cadillacs r the only ones I like on the list , but I prefer the Camaro ZL1

[@eddiesidorov8635]

I’m still waiting for a manual vette, now that will be fun. not that it isn’t already but ya know

[@djbangonyc]

GM has 3 cars on the list...kudos to them.

[@RexKarrs]

How dare they? I can't wait for the Japanese and German-car fanbois to respond with their usual condescension.

[@danrook5757]

Wheres the delta 88

[@xMel21x]

I think Hyundai should have appeared in the list as honoured mention.

[@akula.r]

I want to like that i4 but those grilles are too much.

[@tsb3093]

For any other Brits watching this remember that when he is quoting fuel consumption figures in mpg that will be in USgallons = 5/6ths of our imperial gallon, so 50mpUSgall equals 60mpimpgall.

[@iluvcakes19]

New Accord looks like those old Taurus's, kind like my cousin's 2014 Sho.

[@dominicflorov2752]

It looks like Jaguar XK, Audi A7, a little bit of Volkswagen Passat. Boring and bland! Where is Taurus 2014?

[@d.block3148]

First thing i thought when i saw it was that it looked like the Taurus.

[@dominicflorov2752]

@@d.block3148 🤯

[@tonyg.7990]

Carlos Lago,is the best car journalist of all time,great elaboration and very intuitive.Keep up the fantastic work.

[@nicholassmith7048]

Looks like we've found Carlos' mom's alias.

[@your_royal_highness]

The front seats in the two Supras i owned in the 1980’s were the best I’ve sat in….by far. They also had 150 hp……

[@wesleyrice2138]

Great list! Too bad it has to stay at 10 cars: Less than $110k, and on sale by January 31st.

[@gearnep5821]

I mean if supra is offered at 45k I would gladly take it, at the end of the day I don't care if the interior is made of rich material or cheap plastic. This is one thing the fanboys don't care and they just still sell it to us anyway.

[@rahxe80]

OK, how much did honda pay to get the new accord on this list . the new accord is slower and in my opinion, doesn't look as good as the last gen , not to mention car and driver haven't even released a proper test on this new accord.

[@PointShiftDrive]

GR Corolla FTMFW

[@derrickmoore9180]

Some of the dealer markups on some of these cars kill them. 20k upsell for Civic Type R is silly.

[@olliew00d]

The Accord isn't on sale yet, pricing hasn't been released, and isn't that part of the judging?

[@pablonator3000able]

These are Car and Driver representatives, dont you trust their capability of driving these vehicles before the public. Its their job.

[@CARandDRONE]

@@pablonator3000able 💯 years in some cases.

[@jhonnydrop7100]

I’d leave the accord or Civic out and put in the BMW M240i. I can’t believe it didn’t make the cut.

[@fortuitusbounce]

Anyone know where they were driving for the majority of the on-road shots? Those canopy roads look familiar

[@dougshaw2944]

"Chevy Malibu+" LOL's

[@bloominguez]

It's funny because it's true. Perfect description.

[@chrismyers9951]

Fiesta ST is a blast.

[@DarkClosetOfTheMind]

Gazoo owns three spots, amazing... congratulations to that team.

[@bobmitchell8012]

Gazoo is such a ridiculously stupid name.

[@anydaynow01]

Yep it's a pretty awesome Toyota sponsored tuning house, their tuner version of the BMW Z4 would be my favorite if it weren't for the ugly body kit they put on it.

[@patthonsirilim5739]

i belive regardless of what people of today say the manual supra will be a legendary car in the future a last call to the great japanese turbo rear wheel drive manual gearbox sports car

[@ArrennBaral-v7n]

best car

[@truthhurtz8767]

A BMW M Roadster from 2000 is far superior to the new straight 6 Toyota Supra, cheaper and better.

[@ericdolby1622]

Amazing that the Edsel was considered ugly. Have you seen the new BMW and Toyota products. Lol.

[@MrNysmoke25]

Didn't see a camaro had 3 since 2016 started with a ss than a 2020 zl1 and since I heard it's going away I traded it for a 2023 zl1 convertible and no I'm not a chevy fan boy I own a escape and just recently sold wife's explorer for a telluride and I most say kia did a awesome job

[@spencerd2156]

Dealer markups are the reason I can’t buy any of these cars. Dealers are killing the enthusiast cars, NOT the consumer. I hope these models can survive the chopping block until the prices come back to MSRP.

[@vjd222]

Leaving the Elantra N out was a bit of a head scratcher. Beat out the Si and GLI when it won your own comparison test. It’s also faster than the GR if it has the DCT- and still faster around a track w the 6 sp. Even before markups you’re paying 12k more for a similarly equipped GR. Hyundai definitely deserved a spot with the EN

[@doctorrobert60]

Agreed. I am 73 and not in the Elantra N's demographic. My Nephew however just recently bought one and he let me drive it. I was impressed with the car and this is from a guy that has 2006 Z4 M Coupe as a weekend car. The N vehicles are special even if derived from econocar roots. So was the Subaru WRX STI.

[@smokesgtp]

The styling is too polarizing

[@vjd222]

@@smokesgtp I mean… so is the carollas lol. I like them both but I think the EN is the better looking of the two

[@doctorrobert60]

@@smokesgtp I understand but everyone has their own taste. The last generation of the Honda Civic Type R was also criticized for being over the top in style excess but still sold all that were produced. Color has a big effect on the style of the cars.

[@smokesgtp]

@@doctorrobert60 Yeah, Hyundai's just are not regarded like Honda or Toyota yet. They dont drive quite as well, they don't hold value as well, and still too many recalls. I drove a Sonata N and a 2.0T Accord and it was an easy decision. The Honda was just a better put together overall package.

[@4047530025]

I've never seen anyone black who's worked at Car and Driver.

[@wolfeman11111]

All these big automotive companies of the 2000s are such a joke now 😭😂 KZbinrs and independent journalists run the car game now… this, top gear, etc… all they really care about is money, they need it bad