The 2021 Toyota Supra 2.0 is an unfinished $43,000 Sports Car - One Take

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For 2021, Toyota has added a lower-powered GR Supra to their lineup, splitting the difference between the $30,000 86 and the $50,000 Supra 3.0 with this new $43,000 2.0L Supra. Featuring the same four-cylinder turbocharged powertrain available in the BMW Z4, in the Supra it makes 255 HP and 295 lb/ft, paired only with an 8-speed automatic gearbox. And though it's significantly lighter than the six-cylinder model at just 3,182 lbs, it's also got a lot of the 3.0's premium tech, such as the adaptive suspension and electronic differential, removed. Where does it fit in the Toyota mix? Is it even really a Toyota?
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[@iantownsend500]

TheSmokingTire Ok cheers

[@joeracer302]

Matt, I would love to hear your insight into rear bumpsteer issues with this chassis. I believe that’s what you experienced during that elevation change, but it also comes into play under normal tracking conditions as well. My understanding is this is what causes the drifty nature of the 3.0, and can only be resolved by fixing the geometry with custom suspension links. This has been confirmed by performance shops and race teams, and seems to just be due to poor engineering since it’s easily verified with a few measurements and analysis.

[@briane8156]

I know is everything is still being moved over, but I wanted to request at least the playlist being in chronological order if possible. Thanks!

[@rstuff1605]

Hey i woke up 7 25 am then at 855 am. Hope i can win the c8

[@rstuff1605]

Would u believe i took a 2014 Scion tc and did a Bolt ON and TUNE E85/93 and went from 7.2 To 5.5 .. IT has A 2.5 Liter makin 210 Stock. So Tune + Bolt On makes it A SLP Happy

[@RaulRodriguez-vv8zb]

You know it’s not a good sign when people are talking about the road instead of the car.

[@chaselord3986]

hey, it WAS a nice road though uwu

[@JakePropulsionLab]

So what's the road!?

[@SHiFTDI3S3L]

@@JakePropulsionLab gotta be the 405...both ways...at the same time....

[@truantray]

What car?

[@jetplume]

@@JakePropulsionLab It's just over the Ventura county line... I'll tell you that much. Poke around hard enough and you'll find it. People still don't know it's got fresh pavement so it's pretty empty compared to the surrounding roads.

[@LUNCHMONEY4numbers]

Everyone: "We want a turbo FRS and BRZ" Toyota: "Ok, 4 cylinder Supra for $44,000 it is!"

[@LUNCHMONEY4numbers]

And it's still a BMW engine?! Oh hell no! 😂

[@BobbyDully__P]

There are so many inline 6 variants going for 48k. They've been for sale for months. No one is buying this crap. Anyone remember when the inline 6 supra was going for over 100k . It offers so little for the price

[@LUNCHMONEY4numbers]

@@BobbyDully__P It's what they deserve for simply rebadging a BMW and selling it as an icon. I've lost nearly all hope for Toyota to make another amazing sports car again

[@aidonis98]

@@LUNCHMONEY4numbers I mean, Toyota does make good sports cars, they just wear a Lexus badge. It's sad to see what they are doing with the Supra.

[@rishavroy1368]

@@aidonis98 Yeah man, the only thing they can do to make this thing worth anything is to give it a stick shift. Other than that, the Supra is kind of a fail. Also the Toyota 86 is an awesome Japanese sports car, this car is just a rebadged BMW.

[@Loothansa]

That engine just sounds like it doesnt wanna live anymore.

[@Saif0412]

lol its actually pretty good for a 4 Cylinder, but obviously can't compete with the B58 Straight six.

[@Rali272]

You are right. With every rev it's committing suicide, rod by rod, carbon by carbon.

[@keronfarrier2198]

Lmao my thoughts exactly

[@christianjforbes]

Doesn’t sound as lively as my Abarth

[@cashandcarry72]

OPHeckler Hilarious!!

[@lewbyyyyyyyyy13]

the engine sounds like every car that comes on assetto corsa.

[@greatcolor]

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks Assetto Corsa sounds like ass

[@sidewaysfoxbody]

we have literal buttloads of sound mods nowadays, you'd be surprised.

[@flush_entity]

@@greatcolor ACC sounds great, First Assetto Corsa, not so much BUT there are so much mods now

[@TheSkyline35]

Sounds like the generic 4 cylinders of AC

[@ActNasty5]

You obviously havent modded the game lol AC is awesome

[@Zygrene]

This car sounds disappointing. It needs a more rev-happy motor considering its modest power output. It also needs a manual. What's the point of a lighter, cheaper, slower Supra if it's much less engaging to drive?

[@MelvinKhosa]

Think of it as a hard top BMW Z4. That's all the Supra is. One offered with a 6 cylinder and on with a 4 banger just like the Z4. So if you want a Supra Convertible, you get the Z4.

[@51235465789]

I think you guys dont get the point of the 4 pot supra. its for people who intend to do a 2jz swap. the chief engineer Tetsuya Tada him self confirmed this.

[@gtmike916]

51235465789 So we should spend 43,000 for a car we will put a 2JZ in? Yeah that is fucking ass my guy. You might as well buy an A80 Mark 4 Supra.

[@SicSemperBeats]

@@MelvinKhosa idk man ive seen reviews for the 4cylinder z4 and the reviewers seemed to like more than they do this. I remember it sounding a lot better. also i cant find the info online, but im preety sure the z4 2.0 doesnt come with shitty 1 piston brakes all around.

[@TheChocolateChamp]

@@gtmike916 lol lol i know right

[@sselway100]

I firmly believe this 4 cylinder version of the Supra should not exist.

[@manup1931]

Palindr0m3 me old one had also 4 cylinder

[@Vitoman901]

Thing is, with a 4 cylinder they can sell in markets that have restrictions/taxes on larger engine sizes. Maybe that’s what they are aiming for?

[@armink9686]

@@manup1931 No, the Supra never had a 4cyl, except on certain race cars. The Supra literally started off as a 6 cylinder Celica.

[@mitchellsteindler]

I disagree. However, it should be a better 4 cylinder.

[@dragospahontu]

I think it's good but needs 300 hp and a lot of turbo lag and square stance

[@extremeanalogmusic6296]

transmission overheated??? bruh

[@ChevyCamaroIsBetter]

Yeah in a "sports car"

[@lostinbravado]

@@ChevyCamaroIsBetter in a "Toyota" no less

[@jayknight139]

@@ChevyCamaroIsBetter a sports with only 250hp and it still overheated? Hmmm

[@SavageBunny1]

Probably a "new" cheaper version of the ZF 8HP, they always do that, make a great transmission, then make a cheaper version that is just crap.

[@bbc_junior4863]

lostinbravado That’s because it’s not really a Toyota at all.

[@CobraDBlade]

I remember when the new Supra was announced that the engineers were saying "If you're planning on 2JZ swapping the car, get the 4 cylinder version", so they were expecting you to do a LOT of finishing with it.

[@Bruno-xb2mt]

Toyota should move on from the 2JZ. Yes its a great engine for swaps however its old and they should have instead developed a modern inline 6 with similar charecteristics instead of letting bmw put a watered down mini jcw engine in.

[@jimmy-buffett]

@@Bruno-xb2mt Toyota puts a twin-turbo 3.5L V6 in the current Lexus LS, that makes 416 horsepower. Nobody complained when the Nissan GT-R went from straight-6 to V6, nobody will complain if the Supra does the same. But a lot of people will complain if they think they're buying a Toyota then realize that they're buying a BMW.

[@veryrare7647]

but it still cost over $40k thats a ripoff

[@gustavofigueiredo1798]

"-*Is that a Supra?* -Not really..."

[@muhann4d]

The base Mustang has a limited slip diff. Dafuq is BMW’s excuse for not having one here?

[@ARCNA442]

I was sure when they said "no e-diff" the 2.0 would be getting a mechanical limited slip instead, but nope - just a regular open diff. How in the world do they justify that on a $43k sports car?

[@kambojsbTech]

well BMW is just BMW so im not surprised but still kinda feels like a slap in the face at 40,000 when a 5.0 GT is likely a better sports car overall in terms of power and handling than a 4 cylinder supra for cheaper

[@jakegoldberg8941]

they want you to upgrade to an m car or higher version. theyve been doing it forever. my 335i makes 450 wheel and it still has an open dif. If just adds to the "i shouldve have just gotten an m car" etc

[@MichaelF1]

They were hoping you'd weld it and void the warranty

[@djsonicc]

$40k buys you a 5.0 GT with Performance Pack, 3.73 LSD

[@blakslee720]

Kinda sounds like they built this for rental car company's "sports car" segment

[@andrewbeach9358]

That actually seems super likely it’s perfect for it

[@patricknelson]

Agreed. Unless you're renting through Turo, basically just renting from other folks at that point. Found/rented a 3.0 Premium in Orlando area there. Rented an Audi TT RS, Porsche Panamera Turbo and Corvette Z06 all through them as well.

[@realitycheck469]

As actual owner of a 2022 2.0 Supra, it is awesome! It is plenty quick for the real world, has tremendous grip/handling, and looks amazing. It is literally impossible to drive this car without getting a thumbs up from other car enthusiasts and have people ask questions while getting gas. The most common question is "What is that?". I was in Jerome, Az a few weeks ago and sat up in a restaurant that over looked where I parked. It was heart warming to watch dads and their sons walk up to the car, look inside and take pictures with it. The car makes people happy just being near it. This car is nothing but pure joy to drive. I cannot wait to see how it continues to evolve over the next 3 model years as I will probably buy another. Keep up the great work Toyota and BMW!

[@postalpancho]

I think other than the weak brakes this car is great. Don’t really need an LSD with 275 width tires. Will be nice to see if Toyota corrects this problem and throws in a manual for the 2.0 Supra. Then it will still be slower but easier to justify. It is likely one of the fastest 4 popper on the market but gets completely overshadowed by its big brother. Yet shit boxes like the Elantra N get all the glory when this would easily destroy the Elantra N.

[@chriskline8012]

I just picked up a 22 2.0 also and I love it. It’s very well balanced. This review video is actually the only one I’ve seen that says it isn’t a great car.

[@postalpancho]

@@chriskline8012 unfortunately this happens to many cars. Oh, you got a Mustang but it ain’t a 5.0. Nice V6 Camaro but it ain’t a v8. Cool CT4 but it isn’t a black wing. Neat WRX, but it’s not the STI. Lol Mid tier cars get so much shit from auto reviewers who don’t live in the real world and don’t understand budget constraints, or maybe some people simply don’t need that much hp and prefer nimble handling. It gets annoying when they state the obvious. I think the starting price of the 2.0 is a bit steep considering you don’t get an LSD or brakes but other than that it seems like it would be a badass daily.

[@realitycheck469]

@@postalpancho Truth brother. It's a total badass daily driver.

[@carguy...]

Why buy the 4cyl version???? I love my 22 supra but couldn't imagine buying the base 4cyl of any sports car.

[@eeshunique]

imagine buying 4cyl supra.....for 45k.......when you could've bought a brand new m240i or a slightly used m340i

[@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342]

Or a Challenger Scat Pack..or a Mustang GT..or a Camaro SS..

[@markgold2450]

eesh and for $5k over a 3.0 Supra Premium you can have an M2 Competition. Also the M240i (and the 230i) can be had with a 6-speed manual, something the Supra doesn’t even offer.

[@ShogunsDojo]

@@markgold2450 exactly, the 230i is made better with the manual because you get shorter gears vs the M240i so there is plenty of engagement at lower speeds. Things only get better with the 3.0 motors. At any price point the M2/2 Series has this thing beat.

[@NjoyMoney]

Lol no, those are even worst

[@FLBoyCanScrap]

100%. I just commented to buy the M240i. This i4 Supra is a 230i engine with a tune but more expensive. There are just so many better options to choose over both Supras. Options with better luxury and performance for less or comparable money. I really don't understand the new Supra's value after it was proven to be a dog on the track. It isnt a drag car, a track car, a GT car, or a luxury car.

[@kevinpytlinski1862]

"not sure if it's even a decent sports car".....BURN!!! LOL, great comment and awesome review as always! That road is SICK by the way.

[@infraaa_]

It’s always that quiet too, which makes it even better

[@ryankircher12]

@@infraaa_ where in the hills is this? What's the road?

[@fmmrz5]

Jackel I want to know too! Just a name?

[@SI0AX]

@@infraaa_ The bad thing is the blind corners due to all those trees blocking the view.

[@narekhart9862]

Its basically for tuner boys that want rwd and are tired of s2k's and z/g's and all that old crap

[@XavierEyez]

The engine sound is a mix of a vacuum and blender

[@krocialblack]

With the new Nissan Z over the horizon. The new Supra is in more danger now than ever. Especially the 4 cylinder version.

[@weaslepopper]

Yup. The new Z and the C8 Vette will probably kill the Supra on both ends of the price range.

[@beexiong2995]

Laughable. Toyota cares less about the new supra sales. They said it themselves it was meant to bring attention to their dealership and it has.

[@taylorkelly6145]

This has aged horribly lol

[@hamsterbrigade]

Overheated the transmission and went into limp mode? That has to be one of the most BMW things ever.

[@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx]

Ikr absolutely pathetic

[@xxATR0CITY]

So basically there's no reason for this car to exist. Got it.

[@narekhart9862]

If youre into tuning your car and you want a rwd with an engine you can afford to blow this is the PERFECT car

[@xYIWUx]

In different markets this will be far more popular. i.e. the emissions tax in China makes a 5.0 mustang cost about 72k USD, and that's why most mustangs in China has the ecoboost engine.

[@m.b.82]

Better weight distribution than the six and like any turbo engine i am sure it would be quite easy to unlock some real horsepower.

[@TheChemisch]

@@xYIWUx sure but why would they release it for this market? All it does is devalue the 3.0 cylinder, no ones going to buy it.

[@Gunshinzero]

It's your mom's Supra. The lady whose kids are old enough that they don't have to ride with her everywhere and she wants something sporty.

[@Zadnak1]

For 43k, the car already better come finished. Otherwise, buy a Miata.

[@vir123456]

Miatas are garbage.

[@Earnest_walkins]

It’s 2021 Model Year and we still accept 4 cylinder turbos that make less than 300hp. This car is a joke imo.

[@hovnojede010101]

V8 SS 1LE Camaro costs 44k... Idk what this base Supra is for really

[@al151]

Buy Miata? A camaro ss 1le brand new can be bought for less than MSRP. I found so many of them with a sale price less than 40 grand across the US. There is no way to spend that kind of money on any other thing.

[@Earnest_walkins]

Hell you can get a low mileage hellcat for around 45k if you are willing to drive to get it.

[@vipraz119]

Parts bin car.. dragged the name ‘Supra’ through mud. We partnered with BMW cause a Supra is supposed to have an inline 6 engine. Then why this nonsense?

[@kendall9758]

Haha good point. But I think this option is for people who want to engine swap in there. I remember reading it somewhere.

[@MaddNomad1015]

Toyota should’ve just had a NA in-line 6 as the “base” model.

[@ARCNA442]

BMW got rid of their NA I6's though - and an NA car would probably have been less powerful, heavier, and harder to tune.

[@Sarcastic_Asmodeus]

I think you mean BMW. Toyota can't offer a NA online six if BMW doesn't anymore.

[@MaddNomad1015]

ARCNA442 I’m fully aware. In general though it’s pointless to have this 4 with the 86 right behind it for 10 grand less. Lexus also has a criminally underused turbo 4 that has a lot of potential.

[@kswan4235]

@@ARCNA442 Why bother with a bmw engine.. Toyota camry v6 has 300hp. Lotus uses that engine in their cars with superchargers so you can get plenty of power out of them with off the shelf oem parts.

[@Leonidae]

@@kswan4235 and had Toyota used that V6 people would still cry like little bitches because it's not straight 6.. This car was made for masses that can afford it, not for fanboys who roll around in beat up lexus sc300's like it's a Supra..

[@natemoothart6967]

Buy a Camaro SS 1LE for nearly identical money and get way more car.

[@TheSkrillexRemix]

Imagine paying over 35k even 40k for a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder

[@danieljones8706]

The engine I understand. its everything else they cut that really makes it look bad. Like, what kind of sports car has a transmission that overheats???

[@TheSkrillexRemix]

Daniel Jones bmw for you

[@red07ls]

$43k? Not much more gets you a 1LE SS that much more of a hoot to drive and will hand this thing its ass on track. Even a base 1SS or LT1 model is a much better fun for price proposition.

[@ChevyCamaroIsBetter]

Exactly!

[@nigel_white]

With the 1LE, you get 200 more HP, magnaride suspension, e-diff, massive brakes, etc. Why would anyone buy a stripped out Supra with none of that for nearly the same price? Massive fail Toyota!

[@slothystyle]

You could also get a used low milage, 1 owner hellcat or even a used low milage, 1 owner ZL1 for a $5k to $7k more than $43k MSRP + tax for this.

[@red07ls]

@Steven no biggie, only a simple tune away. not to mention 450whp with simple bolt ons.

[@drunkpolack7612]

You can buy a 1le camaro ss for less money after discounts imao

[@al151]

Yup. It’s the ultimate performance car for the money with no rival.

[@dragospahontu]

You can get a Cayman for this money, but maybe not new

[@SamuelSantos_]

Dragos Pahontu Nah definitely not new, but it will be endlessly better than this thing

[@dragospahontu]

@@SamuelSantos_ yeah not new, but even second hand it's so good.

[@MichaelF1]

A used 718 for 40? What a 🚗 for 40...You could also go out and find an F type with either engine, and a set of their problematic dampers, for that amount.

[@xXxUrbanNinjaxXx]

THANK YOU for reviewing this car and pushing it hard. There are soo many reviews of this car that call it sporty and comfy but they don’t actually drive it hard enough to prove it’s sporty nature.

[@orbion2]

King of depreciation 2021

[@BlueHawk350]

They needed to equip the 2.0 version with a manual for it to be fun

[@mazda_miata_]

More like they needed to equip the 6 cylinder with a manual; the 6 cylinder already has enough power and a decent chassis. Just lose the weight of the 8 speed auto and row your own gears, and Toyota would lose the whole “auto-tragic BMW” crowd of 13 year old kids

[@MaddNomad1015]

They should’ve made the base Supra with a naturally aspirated inline 6. I’m sure the manual is coming next year. They just need to release something exciting throughout its lifecycle to keep sales up.

[@mattriggs301]

not to mention they gave it the same box as the fast one with seemingly the same gearing, but then decided to put a worse tune on it? I'm no expert by any means but does that really save on cost if you are just plugging in a computer and flashing it more or less?

[@alekwormuth734]

Yo that road seems so dope!

[@ruberube2855]

Glade to see you videos on the regular again.

[@ghosttheoremproductions5469]

You can get a turbo 4 Mustang for a lot less money. Heavier with a little more power but a buttload cheaper. I like what Toyota is doing but the baby Supra seems to fit a non-existent niche at that price point.

[@SamuelSantos_]

There are some used options as well, like an M235i, or even a used Mustang GT, which are probably better option.

[@shadow7037932]

This would have been a good consideration if this was around $33-35k.

[@NathanielOfLight]

Or a performance pack level 2 mustang GT with 205 more horsepower than the supra for around the same price (~45k)... Or frankly sooo many other better options for the money. What a horrible value.

[@ChevyCamaroIsBetter]

Or any variation of the 1le camaro

[@furyofgungnir]

Glad you mention the ecoboost mustang. I go around defending the poor thing from people who have closed minds about the auto world. EcoBoost mustangs are surprisingly fast with amazing mpg...why do people crap all over an amazing daily driver car? Plus you spend roughly $20k brand new.

[@GetOutsideYourself]

Ha, you're driving in my neighborhood. Yeah, it's a lot nicer since the repave.

[@majorsenior420]

Wheres this exactly? Topanga or malibu? Love to go check it out

[@asaulo1]

Which road is this? Doesn’t look like Topanga since it’s too narrow

[@LittleCD]

Where is it? Near Topanga canyon in the santa monica mts, yes?

[@ourfutureisdark]

Yeah i wanna know too

[@blinkblink2255]

The nature looks incredible. More impressed by it than this car lol...

[@86surge90]

lets see you drive the 86 or miata on this road

[@89DIDD]

Awesome road! Loved it! Hope you review more cars there.

[@mohammadzaman8713]

Loving the gold turtle! 👍👍 Happy to see Seiko being repped

[@-LK34-]

What is the point in a supra without some sort of limited slip differential?

[@Krauser1226]

This would be a much better proposition if it wasn't so expensive for what you're getting here. This is FoST power for over 40 grand. I know, I know, "it's a rear wheel drive architecture!" but when you're looking at almost 50k out the door that's nuts for a turbo 4 car, especially one without a stick. It's even crazier when you think of what you can get when you factor in the existence of the Camaro/Mustang at that price.

[@natemoothart6967]

It would be really interesting to do a back to back drive between this and the turbo Camaro 1LE. I wouldn't be surprised if the Camaro is the better driver.

[@chaunceycman]

Nate Moothart as much as I’m not a fan of this car I’m sure the engine has to be better than the gm 4 banger

[@funnybam4367]

Oh my god! Check this also. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6iyZZZmmrVpsLM

[@sheetsda]

Agreed. Camaro/Mustang are definitely straight line faster. I would hope this at least handles better?

[@carlbusque1856]

Great review, would love to try a stick. Great road! Love your work, keep at it, love your podcast too!

[@TheFlb]

It makes even the smallest mods and tunes feel like an improvement... That’s great! :)

[@murry001]

Imagine being Toyota and hearing this review, ouch.

[@sidewaysfoxbody]

This car is a mockery of the Supra nameplate... plain and simple.

[@thirdpedalnirvana]

That road looks absolutely amazing!

[@VJStroud]

you really know how to squeeze many ads in a video, i forgot I was watching a car review.

[@fifaaddict101]

bro $43,000, no thanks

[@ItzHoot]

What happened to affordable fast cars?

[@BobbyDully__P]

At least they arent going for 100k when they were so over hyped lol. Whoever bought at 100k lost a lot of money

[@gothops154]

Bro it’s more like $50,000. No one buys the “base” base model, and even if you for some reason do, you’re still looking at a bunch of tax and fees added on. Car companies have lot their minds all because a small minority of people are still willing to buy their cars at these outrageous prices. So all these consultants punching in numbers into excel sheets figure this is the max price they can charge while still getting X% of morons to put themselves into a 10-year debt. There is no real value in cars anymore

[@ItzHoot]

@@gothops154 Yeah apparently only the upper middle class buys new cars now or something like that lol..

[@snape1464]

@@gothops154 On the toyota site there don't seem to be options, just a Safety package and colours

[@justinm.5089]

Ehh id take a focus RS over this.

[@MrSlowestD16]

Yeah even suffering with potential HG issues with the Focus RS is worth it for the better experience in all categories than what you get here... 1. The HG issues are being covered by Ford 2. Ford is going to be cheaper to maintain in the long run 3. AWD 4. More space on the interior + hatch 5. MUCH better visibility It's a no-brainer, IMO.

[@adambankoff8525]

@@MrSlowestD16 I doubt the RS will be cheaper to maintain in the long run. There are alot of parts that a specific to that trim that was never used in any other car. That's not a receipt for cheap to maintain.

[@surreallife777]

Great review Matt. You’re the first reviewer to point out the transmission and power drop off at the higher RPM. Everyone else said that’s exactly the same transmission. Which it is but programmed differently which they didn’t mention.

[@SkibilityGaming]

More one takes on this road please! Its looks so gorgeous

[@andreipiv]

The real sad part is that THIS is probably the reason the new 86 won't get the FA24 turbo engine

[@twutle]

sad really, we don’t sufficient power for one car because they know it would make the Supra platform obsolete

[@mrmooney25]

10 years after moving away from LA they finally repave my favorite road. I guess its time to schedule a trip down south. If you make a right at the stop sign you almost got to, there is a nice jump in the road a few miles down that road where you can test the flight characteristics of the cars you review.

[@thomashertfelder8488]

Which road is it?

[@jeffreygong1101]

@@thomashertfelder8488 Yerba Buena Rd around Malibu

[@thomashertfelder8488]

@@jeffreygong1101 Thanks, man

[@Balisage]

That road looks amazing to drive. Wow

[@mkvB58KING]

Gotta love the Toyota engine cover on the B48 😂

[@matthewk9563]

Will look forward to a one take of a 2.0 Tuned supra and watch you glow. That engine will be very good with a tune on it and maybe a rebuilt turbo. I hate cars that come stock with very underwhelming brakes though

[@dannyz955]

We are Toyota! We are a regular marque that makes regular cars and charges people ultra-luxury prices for them! We get off by not spending a dime ever on updating our lineup and every penny on giving the masses "the reliability talk"!

[@greatcolor]

It's insane. Had a friend buy a new Camry recently, well over $40k. Thing is a dressed up piece of shit

[@bryan10444]

greatcolor didn’t know pieces of shit have the most reliable V6 ever built

[@danneil8778]

great to hang with you again, Matt. B safe out there.

[@tmanepic]

Man that road looks amazing!

[@georgeb9586]

What a great road!

[@zmyGe]

I'd rather buy an STI for a little more money

[@diegotobar6839]

A little more? Base models are around $35K

[@theironshepherd7777]

Lol the sti is around 36k

[@bingoberra18]

Does it do speaker rumbles or is it all natural? That road was amazing btw

[@thinhnguyenonlinemoinhat5988]

Great review Matt.

[@leweee]

Hyundai is producing more out of a 4cyl turbo than this 😂

[@mitchellsteindler]

More reliability and better sound too.

[@DenisKudlik]

this is in no way a performance oriented engine though, just an off the rack standard BMW 2.0 I4 you find in the regular 330i. peak power at 5k tells you everything you need to know. What is this, a diesel?

[@SamuelSantos_]

Matt should review a Veloster N or an i30 N if he hasn’t already, apparently they’re very good

[@randomocityvideos]

@@SamuelSantos_ All it takes is a 5 second search in the search bar.

[@Devdidthat]

Don't disrespect the Veloster N like it's not a good car

[@a.c.9495]

The struggle of this useless little yellow thing is painful to watch

[@liamnissanS2K]

You thinkin of the 86

[@liamnissanS2K]

@Darth Doge ?

[@liamnissanS2K]

@Darth Doge Not slow.. stock 4.9 0-60 from a 4 cyl In the year 2000 🤔 not fast by todays standards but literally legendary performance all things considered. Plus 50/50 weight and 9k redline Its the most fun you will have In a car.

[@liamnissanS2K]

@Darth Doge Better In.. what regard? The 86 Is an exercise In cost cutting while somehow still being overpriced. I dont think Its fair comparison though. The S2000 Is iconic. It changed the game and showed what being a proper no frills japanese sports car was all about. I think a more interesting comparison would be to an Elise or something. The 86 Is essentially a Miata.

[@liamnissanS2K]

@Darth Doge It does not have "way better weight distro.." Its better but If thats the 86's claim to fame 😬 and at 30k buying a new 86 Is the equivalent of throwing money down a hole. Also.. the S2000s resale Is *still* going up so no, no one has "forgotten" about the S2000. If anything Its the opposite, especially with Honda hinting at a new model sometime In 2020's.

[@stevieekstrom]

That road look so fun!

[@trumpit-yy5fn]

I was waiting for this video, yesterday , Sunday morning with my coffee.

[@SChapps]

That just seems underpowered for what it is. Golf Rs have been coming with 300hp from their 2.0 since like what 2014?

[@Krauser1226]

It's because it is. My 2015 GTI is making 327hp with a software tune alone from a 2.0T, no physical modifications. Rs have made over 300 stock since the same time and they're damn near 400hp with a simple software tune and a downpipe. If Toyotas argument is gonna be "oh, well it's a tuner special so you can mod it!" then it has to be cheaper than it is. They had two options here. It was either make it an open canvas and clearly a project car but cheap or make it 40k+ but have the power to back that up. Toyota did neither and made it an underpowered unfinished car and then charged $42,000.00 for it and didn't even have the common courtesy to throw a manual transmission in it.

[@layesse1]

2004 sti 300hp lol

[@cbar6537]

@martin how many pounds of boost is that lol

[@Boomtowndogs]

Cbar65 like 50 lol

[@Krauser1226]

@@cbar6537 not sure about a tune and what that'll push boost wise, but the A45 AMGs 4 cylinder will put out 30.5 PSI of boost out of the stock motor. Bear in mind though, the A45's 4 cylinder makes 416HP bone stock, so I'm assuming a tune isn't going to pull much more from it without grenading it rather quickly.

[@anthonydixon69]

Can’t breakdown anywhere in those canyons sheesh

[@slaWterCH]

Top marks for that road! Narrow and twisty, my fav!

[@ActNasty5]

That road looks sooooo fun

[@yazansakran3326]

"WANT A PLATFORM, to do stuff to" ***** LSX Bros: exhaling deeply

[@MichaelF1]

Buy an LS3 today.....wait about 6 weeks before a grenaded 2.0 supra hits copart.

[@gcsd71]

Both Supra's seem disappointing, I just want to know where this road is.

[@Drewhasit]

Somewhere up in the Malibu hills is my guess. Just use google maps though, you will find one fun enough.

[@flush_entity]

@@Drewhasit santa monica mountains

[@rsenior7140]

@BaTTle CAt I really enjoy my Launch Edition, paid sticker and I'm fine with that

[@imtomp]

Yerba Buena Road, Triunfo Pass, CA

[@fredwilliams7893]

AndToyota fan boys trash Nissan? The 370 Nismo can keep up with this car on a ten year old platform! 👍

[@chedhead3278]

Cheers Matt, at least the road wasn't disappointing. Rally Stage vibes from this. :)

[@Rhamirezz85]

I got to say You are one of not many American reviewers that give really honest opinion, You make good points. Great video.

[@gorrilaunit99]

*No LSD?* Immediately *trash*

[@hojnikb]

do you really need an lsd with 255hp?

[@gilbertosantos2806]

@@hojnikb *yes*

[@Krauser1226]

@@hojnikb Miatas have LSDs with 181hp. For an almost 45k "sports car" it should be a bare minimum to have a true LSD.

[@Fiftyy]

fr where the lsd at

[@cbar6537]

Wait seriously...

[@anthonygonzalez9422]

Sounds like you’re better off getting an EcoBoost Mustang is you really want a rwd turbo.

[@thecartruthreport8451]

I got my 2016 2.0 Camaro for $20k new. Almost Identical specs with the supra

[@MelvinKhosa]

This guy needs to come up with a list of all these canyon roads here in socal for us enthusiasts to enjoy. Sure we know Big Tujunga, Angeles Crest, and Malibu canyon but what else is there Matt? Like this road in the video here.

[@SebastianPersini]

Awesome vid Matt, where is that btw?

[@captainkirks7600]

I feel like this is a solid $35,000 car. 40 if they made a tuned one with an extra hundred ponies.

[@vir123456]

Is it possible to dislike this car even more?

[@RaulRodriguez-vv8zb]

Apparently it is!

[@RawShogun]

*See’s dealer markup* Fuuuuuu

[@ilovetoyotatrucks]

Thanks for taking it for a spin I still want 1 I dunno if I can fit!

[@bradcomis1066]

This road is incredible. Cali has some amazing driving gems it seems.

[@BobbyDully__P]

There are so many inline 6 "supras" going for 40ks now. Why would someone consider a four cylinder variant for 43k?

[@manup1931]

Robert taxes

[@imSchwaggy]

the 2020 will probably be like 30-40k with a few miles. much better of a buy than this imo.

[@FaaizAliTV]

Agreed!

[@echannel1018]

More on this road please

[@getoutsidewithsimon8180]

Guessing that road is Yerba Buena? I cycled down it on Saturday it was glorious.

[@rallyeo75]

I just don’t understand why they don’t offer this car with a manual, especially the 4 cyl - it would probably be pretty fun!

[@bak8484]

no lsd even with a manual its just ehh

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

They want to offer something new each year of the car. It's probably a stupid idea but that's their logic.

[@signfang]

They should've named it Celica. Better yet, they should've just built the Supra themselves and put V6 TT engine and make it a little cheaper. Some might say "Supra without I6 is blasphemous!", but at what cost? BMW reliability and almost-BMW price tag?

[@greatcolor]

You'd think the largest automaker in the world could make a turbo I-6 and find a few vehicles to make it work in. Toyota just doesn't give a shit about anyone but non-car people and truck enthusiasts now.

[@alansmilealot]

Calling it a Celica is weird, it's nothing like early rwd Celicas and nothing like the later fwd/awd Celicas. It's not even an evolution of that car.

[@Aiello_]

I don't think many people would care about a V6, the R35 did the same thing and people love it, maybe get a gr V6 ask Yamaha to help with sportier heads for the engine and they could even put them in Lexus, it would have been a better move for the whole brand

[@festungkurland9804]

@@alansmilealot fundamentally a 4 cylinder supra is a celica.

[@RangerDanger074x4]

It’s too much money for what it is... nice honest review Matt!!

[@ead1017]

Matt, I would be interested to know How does this one feel compared to the previous generation Supra with the naturally aspirated 6?

[@shaunmark1]

Goes into limp mode on that road? Crazy... no track for this which is disappointing.

[@scottieray]

There is a 2020 Supra already on a used car lot where I live. I imagine there will be many 2020 versions suffering such fate since the 2021 is much improved. I'd like to give the 4-cyl more love but it sure is pricey. In fact, I'd say Toyota built this car not to a price point so much as they built the 4-cyl version to a point where they will make more profit off of it than the 6-cyl version.

[@FaaizAliTV]

I agree with what your saying I honestly would rather get a used 2020 version for a much cheaper price than getting the 2021 4 cylinder. I’m sure the used one near where you live has to be in the low 40’s right?

[@beexiong2995]

They sold under 3000 units in 2019. You wont see a new supra anywhere. They are not mass produced so wont sell many.

[@cankuskal5006]

That road is amazing, it would be great to see you drive it some more with other smaller light sportscars.😄

[@nonyabusiness8693]

That was a pretty nice vette! I got to see what 1 for the first time last week and I was blown away!..oh wait, I forgot, there is a Supra review..

[@jeduardoslb1]

They should have launched this car with a *6 speed manual* !! Now, that would be a much better offering!

[@weaslepopper]

At this point,that's the only thing that's going to save the Supra. If the new Z comes out with a manual,it's game over.

[@0s0xkiing32]

Looks alot slower than the 6

[@TheSmokingTire]

Power to weight is something like 35% worse.

[@sleekskyline120]

Wow what road is that? I need to check that out next time I'm up in Malibu.

[@subnegro4946]

That road is my favorite road Matt has ever driven on. I think a well setup SC or TC 86BRZ/Cayman/Miata/4C would be perfect cars for that road

[@bak8484]

what road is it

[@cnon.]

I don't hate the Supra, but I would rather max out factory options on an 86 for less money than base Supra no doubt.

[@beexiong2995]

Nah that boxer motor is trash. Cant fix that. And the 86 is an entry level sports car. They shed every expense and its noticeable by the crappy noisy interior and loud road noise. I owned both so I can tell you from experience.

[@SergeantMoetz]

Everyone that buys the 2.0 has to be prepared for living with the stigma of only buying the smaler engine one because he/she couldn't afford the 3.0. Feels like it's the same with the 2.3 EcoBoost Mustang and the 5.0 V8 counterpart.

[@TheV8Pumpkin]

But atleast the ecoboost is honestly a respectable engine (not in a mustang but still)

[@willsee7452]

I just assume that they just want the new interior and modern body style. They don’t care what engine is in it. Non car enthusiasts buy cars too.

[@skylineOwnZall]

A base model ecoboost mustang / camaro is a great daily, you can pick them up brand new for 18k-19k, there is nothing else in that price range that can compete with them. However if you purchase the 4 cylinder with options, which brings the car up to high 20's or even low 30's, then yeah you fucked up.

[@ThtGuyIzRippin]

Zibby H jay leno says the ecoboost is a good car and therefore you are wrong. I get its not a muscle car engine in a muscle car but it actual performs well for a daily sports car. You can go through gears and not get in trouble and all the weight is shaved off the front so it handles a lot better.

[@dagnut]

That's like a Welsh mountain road with good weather and a good surface...pretty much perfect

[@aregaminghd]

matt, would you do a one-take on the yaris GR if you'd be able to get your hands on it? i feel like that's the car to scratch the "toyota halo car" itch.