The 2025 Toyota GR86 just got UPGRADED // What's Next?!

[@doctor_gunner]

Making 86 a four door with turbo engine is against the formula. It won't be an 86 anymore

[@omarawilson2853]

All it needs is to rev higher and sound better and people would shut up. I agree though. A turbo goes against the philosophy of this car

[@fightnight14]

It's GR172!

[@1Solace]

​@@omarawilson2853isn't the limit like 8k? A tad more would be cool tho

[@omarawilson2853]

@@1Solace it’s 7,400. If I was 8 or 8.5 I’m sure that’s all it would need honestly

[@1Solace]

@@omarawilson2853 8.5 would be delectable

[@stevenjames1138]

Love that green color. Bring back more green cars!

[@rightlanehog3151]

Bring back the 10 -15 paint color choices that used to be common for most cars.

[@J.R.F.23]

I absolutely love my 2024 BRZ; I have zero regrets ordering it ❣️

[@ytj22]

Maybe as an upgrade for 2025 they could give the GR86 stable oil pressure regardless of which direction you're turning and without having to overfill.

[@slurp3194]

right this is a ridiculous problem and preventing me from purchasing one.

[@d.b.s.6381]

Amen to that.

[@matts6551]

That’s only relevant to those that track the car, and not a concern for a majority of owners. If you want a track car, build it, but for daily driving, it’s a non issue

[@slurp3194]

@@matts6551 it is a sports car literally marketed heavily for the track. Idk what your talking about. Its a major problem that hasnt been solved. Miatas dont blow up in track.

[@slurp3194]

@@matts6551 it is a issue its marketed heavily for the track. Its a sports car. Miatas dont blow up in track why should this. Again when its marketed heavily for track

[@danieljones8706]

I would not be opposed to renaming the 86 to "Celica" and making the coupe the "86 Trim" with a 4-door and wagon trim.

[@soilent9618]

If they made it only into 4 door wagon I would vomit though. That red rendering at the end has the silhouette of a Honda Accord. No thanks.

[@spinnetti]

That wouldn't make much sense. This is still a Subaru, and the Celica was never 4dr or wagon.

[@badboy-gn8fu]

no

[@charliebrownsd]

That would be a Corolla. Badging it as a Celica is silly. I could see them doing a hatchback 4 door version of the 86, but why? Maybe just to sell more cars, but it wouldn't land well IMO

[@DeepRacer-zr4yp]

Celica was always a FWD platform expect for the GT-FOUR version which had AWD.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

Oh cool, the color combo we have wanted to come back to the Miata for years....on a different competitor yet again. 😂

[@RockMiach]

love my 86 but would love them to get a toyota engine in the future

[@mikemayers8672]

V6 lol that would be nice and no weight increase lol

[@aeronYTco]

I love engines but we’re unsure if we can keep our beloved engines moving forward and for how long…….only time will tell.

[@Rhondaandjames]

If they could get the GR86 up to at least 250 lbft of torque they would really have something. About 285 Hp and 250 torque would make it a really competetive sports car. Shaving a second off the six second 0-60 would make a dramatic difference

[@Corbots80]

That 1.5t tuned. Would do it. But if they put a 2.0t in it they just rake cash

[@rightlanehog3151]

Kirk, If you want a GR 86 Shooting Brake then you are welcome to get in line BEHIND me. 😉 If we really want the GR 86 wagon to come to market then we should take the strategic approach of calling it the 'GR 86 SUV'. After all, everyone wants a SUV but nobody wants a wagon. 😁

[@aeronYTco]

Isn’t it that the Toyota 86 used to have a Shooting Brake concept back then?

[@mrgurulittle7000]

I really like the current 86 with the Subaru engine. It’s like a baby Porsche. And the 86/BRZ platform is a special platform containing a lot of SGP technology with some TNGA technology. If the new 86 is not developed by Subaru, I’d be disappointed. And 4-door is unacceptable for a 86.

[@El_Tony_C]

Engine goes boom

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@El_Tony_CThey’re too hated.

[@fuji598]

Very cool to see, glad we're getting another "hakone". I do hope they at least don't make the 86 throttle curve worse, because it's already hilariously bad. From the research I've done and friends I've spoken to, you're getting 100% acceleration at under 50% throttle input, making any input past halfway effectively worthless. The BRZ does not have this issue and is much more natural and linear, so it's clearly just something tuned in to make the 86 seem faster.

[@bearclaw5115]

Reading between the lines it seems Toyota is making the throttle more linear like the BRZ's.

[@fuji598]

@@bearclaw5115 ah, I just reread it and I see what you might be looking at. "direct" being a key word. That would definitely be a welcome change. Interesting that it's only listed under the manual section, though. I guess we'll see

[@bobbyjones2112]

Yeah, they’re never gonna give that 350 hp..lol

[@byhsu6140]

If they put the GR corolla 1.6 inline 3 in it, that would be enough power.

[@CarsOverPeople]

@@bobbyjones2112 Car “enthusiasts” like you are never satisfied, no matter how much hp/tq a car has 🙄

[@1Solace]

Id be happy with like 280-300, its a light car

[@Hiyuki-mo2nh]

prob trying to keep it affordable

[@devoemewborn9541]

At this point I would like all the car companies to give us a great chassis with a lawnmower engine so we can just swap it out. Everything is disappointing now.

[@seb5945]

Would y'all be interested in GR Sienna?

[@TrojanRabbit521]

The twins are amazing for me the formula is perfect for having fun on the streets. Not all of us can access a track where more speed is allowed. Sub 3000 lbs over 200hp 3 pedals & RWD are the stats I cherish. You can put foot to the floor and not be flung off the road and have a moment to enjoy getting to 60. If under 4 seconds you can’t really enjoy accelerating before you get to speed limit. This is my 1st car that I’d definitely buy another if anything happens

[@JKyle-ii1mz]

Only 200 units in green is too much of a tease

[@CarsOverPeople]

That’s only for Japan. For the US market (which I’m not sure if that includes Canada?), they’re making 860.

[@amode8761]

Gosh… I agree unless Toyota do something very different with the 86 like these 4 doors version I don’t see a place in the future lineup with the Celica. They’ll have there different characteristics one being AWD and the other RWD so works there and if Toyota keep the 86 as a more affordable version but with all the body styles… if they can have both, I won’t be complaining though. Wondering if the Celica would have both the 1.5 and 2.0 turbos, similarly the MR2

[@jamesmustin7289]

This is the car that Porsche should offer the world. Porsche has. Forgotten its roots in the Porsche 356. Not even 100 horsepower in the early models. They should offer a starter car . A car with 150 to 200 horsepower, that is fun to drive. I owned a BMW 1600. It was no ball of fire but still fun. It is not an impossible idea. To many Porsche has become an impossible idea. So what has happened it is out of the mind of young men. So what do they buy but a butt ugly truck that can handle.

[@royaltyallen1162]

RIP Neptune 86

[@noob.168]

literally announced it on toyotausa page...Also, 40k doesn't sound that bad these days. This isn't 2010 anymore (14 years ago). Average cop in my area earns 150k and public hs teacher is 100k+ too. Now does everyone need a new car? No. And it financially makes no sense either. Monthly transit passes are often below $100/month.

[@dsledgend]

Where tf you live?? 😭😭

[@noob.168]

@@dsledgend California. High cost of living, but high salary.

[@shadowninja569]

My guess is that the SFR Miata fighter is going to be the affordable car.

[@Magnetorheological]

All I see on that cover is "something, something MAZDA6"....

[@user-ur9gj6ju5z]

Nissan needs to bring back the 240

[@hatteras33]

I wonder if the RPM range limit for the autos would be a simple software update for older models. That would be nice.

[@elfishcoder7287]

A 4 door would be cool.

[@ExileXCross]

"newly available" tpms warning system ffs maybe you shouldn't have taken that away in the first place. I missed this feature so much going from 2013 to a 2017.

[@RayanMADAO]

I want a shooting brake but they’d never bring it here in the Middle East

[@front2427]

PS Kirk you look like a chef,lol.

[@mbiker345]

I could easily see the gr carolla motor in the gr86

[@mikemayers8672]

How? Boxer engine what makes it handle unbelievable now.

[@peterjazii6925]

I foresee next gen 86 being significantly more expensive. I’m glad I’m getting my 86 now. Enjoy it before they mess it up

[@cecolonn]

What about the automatic GR Corolla

[@tatarspirit]

86 was already a Corolla hot hatch, so maybe, just maybe the next Corolla will regain it's FR And this will leave the space for the return of Celica and MR

[@RabJ208]

Amazing videos you make 💪

[@CarsOverPeople]

The new Hakone Edition color is different than the previous gen one. This one’s called Ridge Green, the other was British Racing Green (& it unfortunately doesn’t look as good, so far).

[@bearclaw5115]

True. The new paint is darker and flat. I miss the metallic. Still cool though.

[@newchangeunlisted_viewer5594]

Agreed The last paint they used popped more The ad they promoted the 2024 in looked flat and dull

[@mimo5383]

Still own a 2014 White BRZ from new and think its the best iteration being much lighter and having better steering feel.

[@1Solace]

I used to have one, the torque dip in the first gen is atrocious. They improved pretty much everything

[@1Solace]

Also, it's 50 pounds heavier. Much lighter is crazy work

[@zenworldo]

The 86 redesigned with the 3 cylinder engine with manual transmission is all we ask for

[@matts6551]

Not me. Naturally aspirated or nothing at all

[@zenworldo]

@@matts6551 Supercharger, turbocharger, NA, don’t matter as long as it’s a great engine and tuned with different modes. But for a drift car I get why you’d want NA

[@zuhlera]

they fixed the automatic issue is actually great

[@marvincaraballo3135]

Give usa 🇺🇸 the GR hakonen edition we need this ❤

[@bigboss1372]

should I wait for 2025 model to come or should I just purchase a 2024 model right now?

[@Salvaba]

Love the 86. I really wish it had a more lively sounding engine though

[@RobustArid379]

We need more sport engine choices for gr86. Super chargers Inline 4, subaru boxer, and 1.3 3cyclinder turbos.

[@tinhinnh]

Next 86 (need to stay close to current price) could use new 1.5T (around 250hp), Celica (similar price to gr corolla) will use 1.6GTE, MR2 ($50k+) will get the top 2.0T (350hp+)

[@omarawilson2853]

86 should stay N/A with a high revving linear engine. But Toyota doesn’t have one in their lineup. It’d be cool if they converted their new 2.0T to NA and had a GE version specifically for the 86. But that’s wishful thinking lol

[@tinhinnh]

it needs to still be affordable so thats why it could get the 1.5 if theyre going to keep in the toyota family and i think they want a smaller engine. they could use a detuned 1.6 too

[@omarawilson2853]

@@tinhinnh I get what you mean but a turbo just doesn’t meld with the whole ethos of the car. Also I could be wrong but isn’t their new 1.5T not really performance car oriented? Wouldn’t they have to do a pretty big design overhaul to make that engine a viable candidate for the 86? I guess the same could be said if they decided to use the 2.0 engine in NA form, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they already have an NA GE variant of that engine ready to go, as Toyota has done similar in the past. They have been developing this 2.0L for several years so a variant without a turbo could be very likely.

[@tinhinnh]

@@omarawilson2853theres already a 2.0 but it doesnt make much power, i think the 1.5t might be replacing the 2.5

[@novoice9286]

toyota really scamming everyone making the same slow pos car thats decent on a track, charging damn near $40k😂

[@MR3DDev]

Is the hat reliable tho?

[@JB-pu6ek]

To be honest, I don't mind the 4 door over the coupe, as it's going to be cheaper to insure, olus the possibility of a wagon version is cool as well as we haven't seen sporty estate cars in years, aside from Audi anyway.

[@alicekim7351]

I'm going to call it the GR86 Master Chief Edition

[@chuckcribbs3398]

The 86 definitely needs better colors. Silver and dark grey?? Ugh. I’d love to see one in the Supra yellow and a British racing green like this one. The Hakone edition of old was beautiful.

[@Iamcg3]

everyone is overthinking this just like they did last time. it’s going to be less is more, at an affordable price. the market is way too small.

[@aeronYTco]

Just stick to the tried-and-tested formula. Do you think a BEV will work out? Solid-state batteries is the key.

[@klinkske]

Fav color. If i wasn t living in stupid belgium i would want it!

[@johnking8288]

I'd be all in with a wagon!

[@TheRandomDude-qy1ev]

I like the GR86. Basically a supra minus the high price, and 220hp with the weight ect is quite good still. You'll be smoking most cars still. And with a little tune that thing can prob push 235-240 without any issues.

[@lokerola]

GR86 wagon?! Take my money now!

[@Kev_D.]

Give me a stick and this is my next weekend coffee hauler.

[@bobbyjones2112]

I haven’t watched this video yet. I just started watching it, and I hope you got some damn good news or I’ll be pissed…lol😂

[@omarawilson2853]

If the brought in a 3 door hatch model as well as the coupe for the next generation, we could very well have another Levin and Trueno situation on hands. I’d be disappointed in a turbo tho, much rather prefer a 8k rpm or capable NA engine for the next generation car

[@badboy-gn8fu]

i have original FRS. it's a great car, not perfect, but it's a great track car. for me, it's time to move on to my next sports car. im considering nissan 400z or the new upcoming Celica. im now looking for a GT car, not a race track sports car like the 86.

[@trdrav4]

Limited edition models started with the Scion brand, but they continue today with the 86/GR86

[@SeanTurle]

*I'm constipated*

[@LeoTheShortGuy]

Nice

[@seanv3180]

Just want to add that those renders make the future 86 look waaaaay too much like a hyundai Kona.I really don't see Toyota going that diretion stylistically at all.

[@MrRaitzi]

They wouldn't need celica or mr2 if this has 300hp engine.

[@RyanLarivee]

Will the 86 turn into the Celica, Supra gets discontinued and the Mr2 comes as the higher end sports car. Then the SFR comes in as the affordable Toyota Miata

[@RobustArid379]

Gr86 needs 360 hp engine and reliability. Fix the fan venting in the gr86. AC system is always on

[@Convisis]

86 with 1.6T/hybrid would be so good. Don’t see it happening.

[@EctoPlasmic]

Just watch.. all those improvements.. probably be negligible for the daily driver lol. Unless you're taking it to the track going max out, you probably won't feel a difference between the 22-24's vs the new 25's.

[@shotty.]

86 needs only 2 doors & a liftback. Make it a toyota z4 hardtop & toyota is on top!

[@dayummimflyy]

It would basically be the FX16 REVIVAL!

[@cadechong4059]

Hakone edition is coming, Toyota teased it on its website.

[@DanQuach93]

The 2020 Hakone couldn’t be optioned with the Brembo brakes, I only know this bc this was the one combination I entertained tight after buying the TRD 86 😅

[@dwaynetherock-hardjohnson5676]

Can’t wait to get the boxer out of the 86

[@front2427]

Big Mac please and please cover your beard.😂😂😂

[@swishy4mbg]

Modifications sound similar to the Mazda mx5 nd3 tweaks they’ve made for more intelligent lsd when shifting and/or entering & exiting turns.

[@HumorDash]

The gr86 being a wagon is like I wanna shoot myself in the head rn. Basically pulling a ford on the mustang

[@jdub6909]

No turbo? No want it! Mo Powa Baby!!

[@AutoEnthusiastJC]

0:14 true, nike is too political for me. Doesn’t align with traditional, religious values.

[@bicicaptura]

make warning indicator when pick up tube has rtv

[@user-ez6sm5lb6t]

I wont consider one of these until they put the 1.6t in it. I don't want nor trust the boxer in it right now.

[@Mylifeislegendary982.]

Updated GR 86 is better than ever and very much a class leader. importantly miles better than the MX5.👑👑. Upcoming gr86 becoming a 4 door sports sedan and wagon is very cool . I know some will be upset but Its ok.

[@stephenwierzbicki4463]

Kirk, Do You think Toyota will give US 🇺🇲🇨🇦 The Green 💚 exterior for the Celica??

[@Mylifeislegendary982.]

kirk. upcoming prelude is just going to be a coupe version of the civic hybrid. So its nothing special

[@destra1257]

I don't like the Idea of a 3 Cyl.. Turbo.. I'd rather a Boxer 6.. or a V6.. Or a supercharged Boxer 4.. or just a hybrid boxer 4... i Don't want something pushing crazy boost and cutting cyc... because it will not last long as a daily...

[@murican1889]

If it was actually Toyota I’d be more attracted to this car, I can’t bring myself to finance a Subaru

[@Corbots80]

Just put the 2.0t in it and rake in the money

[@chesnut-3918]

yo that converts to like $21000

[@YulaTsheringSherpa]

I want the 2025 gr86 to have a hybrid engine with extra focus on paddle shifters with about 250 hp. More storage space in the trunk. And simple steel wheels like the ones in old porsches and simple cloth seats, and decent sound system. If it’s 4 doors, even better. It has the potential to be the most affordable fun car to drive daily, even during rush hours with slow moving traffic. 35-45 mpg. $25000 base model msrp. Loving the 4dr design in that magazine picture.

[@DeepRacer-zr4yp]

Sounds like you would like the new Elantra N with the 8-speed DCT transmission. It's FWD but still a fun, usable car. Not the most reliable because of Hyundai

[@DCGreenZone]

I want one. ❤

[@ArcticN]

id take the wagon in a heart beat tik tok ruined the brz/86 name for me but if it comes in a wagon then fuck yeah im down

[@ChristianTaylor3]

A GR 86 four door wagon is acceptable and cool. A four door sedan GR 86 would be stupid af.

[@miteco1]

they better not jack everything (86, celica, mr2) up like Honda always does with their goofy ideas.

[@PrincessCutDiamond]

is there gonna be an automatic for this ?

[@LongTim-]

I would be seriously unhappy to see the 86 become a 4door sedan, i really hope they don't

[@Mylifeislegendary982.]

Oh tim . There is nothing wrong with the Gr86 becoming a m3 or charger sports sedan style vehicle if anything it's going to sell better

[@LongTim-]

@@Mylifeislegendary982. Lol everything is wrong with it. It's for cool people who like cool things and this is not the car for Mr loser mcjerkoff who wants to tote around his family

[@Mylifeislegendary982.]

​​@@LongTim- 😂😂. Vehicles like the M5 RS6 M3 CHARGER and more are world class performance vehicles that is better than many two door vehicles. If anything it's a very good thing Toyota has a proper sports sedan to rival something like a m3. Don't worry for single people like you will have other two door options From Toyota 😂.most silly comment ever 😜

[@RobustArid379]

Family four door sport car

[@zero_to_1000]

A Toyota engine would be an upgrade...

[@jamesstephen5694]

Or the Mazda Miata?

[@josephthefirst1]

Hybrid please

[@asuncionmaldonado3382]

It window dressing is it worth the money

[@thegreenberetlife0191]

Turbocharge it and bump it to decent power.

[@stevenyerry2209]

Silicone gasket issues

[@alligatorninja5263]

I think a hybrid no manual wagon 86 is stupid. And it wouldn’t be the kind of 86 I would want

[@boonraypipatchol7295]

Dinosaur, Last gasp....