The Acolyte: A Masterclass in Bad Writing

[@seancallaway5204]

They wanted to end on a cliffhanger, but they forgot to provide the cliff.

[@cardoor1984]

underated statement

[@chrisbaker8533]

Oh, they gave us a cliff, the one they jumped off of 3 episodes ago.

[@seancallaway5204]

@chrisbaker8533 Ah, there's your mistake, that's the SHARK they jumped over. 🦈

[@007JP]

There’s definitely a cliff.. it’s just that racist dense Star Wars fans couldn’t see it

[@seancallaway5204]

@007JP Ooh, that's original, claiming that people who don't like poorly-written trash are racist and dumb. Gaslight much?

[@cambelusthecreator7353]

"No fire, no energy, No nothing" Rudy's words sums up Disney Star Wars.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

Oh, it's terrible in so, so many more ways than that. It's a complex tapestry of incompetence that fails exquisitely. Each scene more incompetent than the last

[@Ramsey276one]

Ruby Rhodd A LEGEND! XD

[@SM-cv8sv]

Even the mask from not-kyle looks like it was made by an AI.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

@@SM-cv8sv So, you're saying you hate minorities?? The only reason someone would not like the Hackolyte is because they're a bigot

[@benmiles00]

Rudy is still super green.

[@smelisi]

The coolest thing about this episode was a Wookiee Jedi -- and they completely blew that. They have no concept of what anyone wants to see.

[@Ramsey276one]

Nel Daka, was it?

[@rangerone8813]

Sure they do. How else are they able to avoid it so well?

[@deathsdoor07]

Apparently the writer said it would be too expensive to have the fight.

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

Where did that 22 million budget go??? ​@@deathsdoor07

[@xelumbra]

@@deathsdoor07LOL Whut? Then where the hell is all that money going?? You can’t even say special effects because there are movies with far less budget than each episode of this that look way better.

[@couragecoachsam]

I’m convinced that this form of storytelling was developed by and for moms/middle-aged women who talk through movies asking what’s going on

[@newtpondskipper]

My wife's does that. I have all the same information she does but I'm expected to know every part and explain it to her. She misses half that as her phone is more interesting... this was her idea to see the movie.

[@clogs4956]

I’ve sat through movies with my Asperger’s b-i-l explaining and then repeating key plot points for everyone within earshot. Bless him: he can’t help it, just as he can’t always understand a joke. Just sayin’.

[@alexmuenster2102]

"Yuh see, bumbling poison-maker-who-is-totally-not-the-Sith-Lord, I'm now suddenly conflicted, because BEFORE, I wanted to kill my sister for becoming a jedi scum, but NOW, for some reason, I don't. So now I want to just change sides and spill my guts to the jedi about how I murdered two jedi (one of whom I poisoned with your help), in the confident hope that they'll go easy on me. You don't mind my telling you this, do you? Because it's important for you to know that I am now going to betray both our Sith Master *and* you."

[@Tito_michi]

What do you have against these women? The most hated SW movies were made by men. Bad writing has no gender.

[@usernameonutube]

LOL

[@butcherpete2286]

"I can't believe my sister is Jedi scum" *About 15 minutes later* "My sister is alive, and she's more important to me than anyone else. I'm turning myself into the Jedi" W H A T

[@Rakshiir]

You forget that she then fights the Jedi Padawan who wants to arrest her 5 minutes later.

[@butcherpete2286]

@@Rakshiir well it's not like I knew that last week lmao

[@salvatoreschiano900]

"The point is that these individuals don't care about making customer"s and fans happy in order to receive money, they no longer care about that commercial 'model'. They want us to slaughter each other and consume ourselves in the media they own." -cit. Italian KZbinr

[@kentonbaird1723]

Fortuna~?

[@darthsygma1693]

Quale?

[@mxvega1097]

The is a commercial side of the Force, and a bankruptcy side of the Force. Capitalism does not do grey.

[@salvatoreschiano900]

@@darthsygma1693 Greg Gavi 👍

[@darthlaurel]

The Fifth Element.....now that was a great movie.

[@andrewtaylor940]

And a stunning example of great writing.

[@Bossallini223]

Facts

[@ryanodom6101]

@@andrewtaylor940most of Luc Besson’s movies are pretty good.

[@anotherthing]

The man in black is one of Mae's mothers. I'm calling it now.

[@sadface7457]

Either that or the drug dealer

[@hugobranca]

Most def

[@hugobranca]

It is going to be Mother Aniseya, and she is going to turn out to be a dude. But one of the two.

[@StormKoriHQ]

💯

[@KeytarArgonian]

I’m predicting it’s the Dathomir mother, they will announce she is Plageius, she will survive the show and then turn out to be the mother of Maul and his brothers. It’s the most Disney thing I can think of.

[@madambutterfly1997]

First, they gave us lesbian space witches now they’re giving us canon characters and sticking them in time periods before they were even born.

[@josebrown5961]

But remember Star Wars saved Leslie Hedland’s life…

[@madambutterfly1997]

@@josebrown5961 right after she aided and abetted in the sexual assault of countless women via Harvey Weinstein. Remember, an accomplice under dress is still an accomplice.

[@out_spocken]

Butterfly..they literally brought Leah back from the dead in space....PURE STUPIDITY has been on the cards with SW for a while now.

[@sadface7457]

I just thought it was similar alien design at first. Their mistake is trying to set this 100+ years before episode 1 and not like 30 years.

[@s.e.sportscards]

Oh but there's more gay! Now x23 they've already come out and said she's gay.. she's gay for whichever twin that it is that's the Jedi or whatever I don't even know the twins named that's the Jedi that that's how horrible this is. I'll be honest I do actually know x-23 name in the show

[@nslater1388]

I swear if the reason the Jedi let that scrawny guy off with “a warning” for making poison that killed a Jedi Master is because he’a Smilo Ren I will scream.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Might as well get some throat losenges now.

[@SunchaserKandri]

That's so unfathomably stupid that it's probably exactly what the writers have planned.

[@nslater1388]

OMG They did it! They ACTUALLY did it. This is so STUPID!!! “You helped kill a Jedi Master. Give us some info and we’ll let you off with a warning.” You can’t even complain about Jedi ‘oppression’ if they let confirmed murderous off the hook willy-nilly! And they did the stupid ‘Jedi don’t attack’ idiocy AGAIN!! I very much recall Anakin and Obi Wan ATTACKING Dooku in episode two. If the enemy surrenders, sure. But during a hostage situation? Yeah, they will attack to protect lives. Stupid stupid STUPID!!!! …….Though I will say the lightsaber fight was fun to watch.

[@project9701]

There are proctologists that look upon this episode in awe. The sheer SCALE of the ass-pulls this episode performs...

[@dragoonmk4203]

😂

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@nothing-of5yc]

I'm convinced that they watch Terrible writing advice and take him seriously.

[@ItamarO93]

So Love Triangle next episode?

[@troffle]

@@ItamarO93 odeargods please tell me Disney don't have an "intimacy co-ordinator" on staff. OH WAIT IT'S COOL THEY GOT LESLYE HEADLAND

[@madambutterfly1997]

It’s understandable why they didn’t put Yoda in the show because if they fuck up Yoda in any capacity, we’re literally going to call the banners and storm the castle gates of Lucasfilm

[@arwenstrong2818]

You're right.

[@NightFoxx99]

Are you though? Because I don't think you are. I think this is hyperbole.

[@haewymetal]

ah yes the fat nerds are going to storm lucasfilm

[@micahwilliams1449]

A failure, this show is

[@commonwealthcommunitywatch6036]

"call the banners" LOL, underrated comment!

[@timmysmith9991]

Imagine if the 180 million had been spent on therapy for Leslye Headland

[@WildZephyr]

It's interesting that Mundi has gone from a sociopath to a completely incompetent sociopath. Oh, and now he's a hundred years older. Great work Lucasfilm.

[@andrewtaylor940]

Mundi is the one in Phantom Menace that said that there had been no reported Sith for a Millenia.

[@Madame702]

Leeland Chee was the Lucas film Continuity Database Administrator (Head of Cannon). In a 2008 article he said this, "George's view of the universe is his view. He's not beholden to what's gone before. The careful tending of the Star Wars continuity has yielded great wealth, but the key to a productive farm is to leave some fields flexible". George Lucas would break "Star Wars Cannon" all the time.

[@garyballard179]

​@Madame702 George Lucas didn't come up with Acolyte, so this has absolutely nothing to do with _the man who created the franchise._ This is just crappy fan fiction made by someone that wasn't even a fan.

[@AliceBowie]

​@@Madame702yeah, George Lucas was the first person to ruin Star Wars.

[@clogs4956]

There you go. “No reported Sith”. Obviously, that, means there must be unreported Sith and, wowzer, won’t you know, there’s always been a lot more than two at any time. It’s the best quality snake-oil.

[@VOLUMEnightclub]

I really love how they didn’t show the sith killing the Wookiee but had enough time for the hike and the random bug from the tree

[@Commanderstevo]

dude they really did it, they put a moth against a lightsaber. just the weakest possible enemy you could ever encounter with a laser sword bug zapper. It literally just kills its self, all you have to do is hold the saber.

[@VOLUMEnightclub]

@@Commanderstevo it’s genuinely amazing how horrible the script and choice of screen time…like if ur gonna do a cliff hanger…have the Sith float down, Sol turns around tells Mae “get behind me”…Mae gets behind the Jedi’s…Sol says “who are you”…Sith turns on the red light saber (than goes black…scene)

[@alexmuenster2102]

They probably figured (and I *do* mean "figured" - like with an Excel spreadsheet) that they could sell more toy bugs than toy wookies.

[@VOLUMEnightclub]

@@alexmuenster2102 yah but if it’s important later like the bugs somehow get them out of a jam with the Sith. They could have either cut out time on walking…or when Mae touched the bug just have it move, and only fly around during the fight scene. And if they serve no other purpose later I’m gonna be pissed

[@sprinkle61]

Hiking in nature is quite affordable, lightsaber duels, not so much.

[@ni.fatcat]

Latest Disney shows are all about talking but they don't even seem to know how to really write ppl talking about anything.

[@justlivin2499]

Andor is the exception, that show actually has probably some the best dialogue in the franchise

[@ni.fatcat]

@@justlivin2499 totally. I bet none of us will ever forget how we felt on THAT speech.

[@justlivin2499]

@@ni.fatcat I still get chills listening to it

[@spartanx169x]

Its not that "they don't know". Its that THEY DO NOT CARE. They do not care about the franchise, or telling a good story, or even making a profit. Once you accept that, everything else will start to make sense.

[@Tom-bi7ir]

Its funny they pull the racism sexism card every time we say a star wars show is bad but somehow exclude the fact Andor was good and the fandom liked it. The fandom arent just hating for hatings sake these shows are crap but these woke ppls egos cant take it so it has to be racism or sexism or any buzz word thatl help them sleep

[@axxessmundi]

And this is why ICE PIRATES is a cult classic

[@brianerickson6775]

Somebody remembers Ice Pirates.👍👍😁😁😁 Let's hope "they" don't reboot the film and turn it into a franchise.

[@vradinwraith1126]

@@brianerickson6775 I can just see it now...Ice Pirates 2: Space Herpes Boogaloo 😆

[@kurtisdeakin]

Cheesy classic lol

[@chrisbaker8533]

"the ship has...herpes" "that's disgusting"

[@Madame702]

Yes, both show most people did not watch it. LOL🤣

[@Asmallcorneroftheinternet]

Impressive, most impressive, in just how awful you can be. -Darth Vader.

[@alexmuenster2102]

"Ed Wood has taught you well!" - Darth Vader

[@AszkalonOfVerra]

_" _*_The Failure of ONE ! The Failure of TWO !!_*_ "_ 🎶🎵🎶 _" _*_The Failure of m~AANYY !!_*_ "_ 🎶🎵🎶

[@ViolentxStrike]

Just looked like a bunch of fan boys at comic con, waving their lightsabers around at the end of the show 😂

[@sprinkle61]

What, you don't like the Redneck Rampage strategy ? 'Let's getem, boys, they cain't beat all of us at once' ...

[@SoldierSpiderx]

I love how the writers said the reason why Kalnecca died off screen was because of budgetary constraints. 180 million dollars and they can't kill a wookie on screen.

[@skyhook6445]

That was a lame way all they had to do was just so him dying to a weapon lol😂

[@skyhook6445]

The crapotyle episode 4 Hiking Adventure

[@SoldierSpiderx]

@@skyhook6445 lmao fact they got all that money and where it went to

[@jsbcody]

Which translates to the actual fight scene looked like crap and test audiences hated it.

[@hharrybboy]

And they couldn't add Yoda instead of Ki adi Mundi for the same reason

[@madambutterfly1997]

Pretending to be incompetent will never be a clever ploy.

[@Thebigem]

Unless the Darth Jar Jar Binks Headcanon is true

[@madambutterfly1997]

@@Thebigem only on the condition that jar jar not be his Sith name

[@thatHARVguy]

They tried this with the simp in the Black Widow movie. He was supposed to be Taskmaster, but they changed it to the daughter. So yeah, @anotherthing might be right and the man in black is one of Mae's mothers.

[@Thebigem]

@@madambutterfly1997 I just said thr Full name so you know who it is, but its probably something like Darth Binks or Count Jarith

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Na. It is like A Pimp Named Slickback. You say the whole thing.

[@TalesAscen]

Didn't the "writer" for this show talk about how she used to write Star Wars fanfiction, because it doesn't seem like she stopped.

[@TheFatalcrest]

XD fan fic writers would call out this nonsense

[@adrianpillai6645]

fanfic and slashfic aren't the same thing. Fanfic can be about anything but good ones have plot, character development, twists, and expand / incorporate lore of the show they are fans of. Slashfic is about exploring (real or imagined) relationships (originally any relationship, but nowadays seems more for same-sex shipping). Good ones exist, though most of the "plot" serves to force... ahem I mean thread, the characters together in situations where their feelings deepen. Then they fall into bed. The acolyte is written like a slashfic, but with all the s-e-x taken out, leaving you with settings and background characters. Acolyte = 50 shades of Mae.

[@RuneRaged]

I've read better fanfics in the Star Wars universe then this show, hell some of them were Canon... until Disney and KK (de)canonized everything before they took over

[@nyanchat2657]

I legitimately feel like the average fanfic made by a middle schooler is better than this

[@clogs4956]

You refer to ASS, the Advocates for Shipping and Slashfic. (I’m a Transformers fan. I know the score.)

[@darrellcovello7917]

How all the Jedi didn't just unalive each other with their lightsabers running that close to each other, I'll never know

[@ranchoth]

It's the major advantage of being attuned to The Light Side: you get to job around swinging your lightsaber around like a doofus with a wiffle bat and still be able to subconsciously avoid hitting anyone by accident, instead of having to practice at doing a ninja run. It's also their largest weakness, admittedly.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Seriously. If you can produce enough force to throw bodies around like rag dolls, but then not knock them all into each other's sabers...you might be dumber than the writers of The Acolyte.

[@Commanderstevo]

they practiced a lot with wooden swords back at the temple 👍

[@internetzenmaster8952]

@@Commanderstevo Which is even worse when you get to the Prequel trilogy (before AoTC) and they're having the kids practicing... with training lightsabers. Something that's still canon. Having them use wooden swords even 100 years ago is just lazy as hell.

[@johnsullivan937]

@@internetzenmaster8952 Come on now, lucasfilm was only given a measly 200m dollars for this show, you cant expect them to put a ROOM full of lightsabers or anything. Filming 3 people talking in a room together for 30 minutes is expensive when you're laundering money.

[@JohnSmith-cn4cw]

Loved the 5th Element Ruby Rhod intro.

[@KeytarArgonian]

It’s really nice seeing superiors Sci fi still be referenced.

[@thatHARVguy]

It was green. Super green.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Really made it pop, Pop, POP!

[@alexmartin3143]

Green?

[@Disqord]

Thank you for shouting out SWTOR; it's been my go-to Star Wars fix ever since Disney bought Lucasfilm.

[@andrewtaylor940]

Oh man the Imperial Agent storyline is itself a master class in writing.

[@ExeErdna]

SWTOR is how women in the galaxy would be written and ironically that game was more diverse than Disney's slop wish it could be.

[@cattrucker8257]

SWTOR somehow went from being a mostly-failed WoW clone to being the last living refuge of a cultural lynchpin of a fandom and all that it holds dear. I could bet you any kind of money no-one involved in making it could've predicted that.

[@alexmartin3143]

Stop mentioning Old Republic… This Headland chick is already sniffing around that time period. That’s the whole reason High Republic exists. To give these diversity hires a place to ruin Star Wars without breaking continuity. Which they actually managed to do 100 years before any canon adventures.

[@ExeErdna]

@@cattrucker8257 They most likely thought it was gonna die off. Yet SWTOR existed when SWTOR was still canon to the movies... That's how old it is

[@freedone.]

"Stop Making Sense" 😂 - Talking Heads

[@cozenw3236]

“Who’s the fool? The fool? Or the one who follows the fool?” - Obi-Wan Kenobi

[@redfoxninja3173]

*looks to the sky in anger and shouts* "Disappointed!!!" That's how bad the writers are for this atrocity

[@troffle]

Pretty positive the writers' badness and atrocity would certainly deserve a far stronger response.

[@redfoxninja3173]

@@troffle it's a reference to Hercules the TV show where the writing and acting was so bad he read a prompt to yell in disappointment but yelled out disappointed instead

[@troffle]

@@redfoxninja3173 And this is what happens when we're not all up on a common cultural basis. Explanation appreciated, thank you. ... mind you, the writers' badness and atrocity *still* deserves a Hercules-smash response more than a shaking-fist response.

[@spookykouki8970]

The Old Republic cinematic with the twins and also the one with daughter gives me goosebumps every time.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

10 seconds of Fifth Element...more story telling than the entire episode.

[@jeffsmith5436]

You're assuming that the villain is a MAN in black. Given the predilections of Lezbean Headcase, it's more likely a Zhe/Zhey.

[@Noplayster13]

But that would imply that the villain is a member of the New Brahman class. No, the villain must be a toxic male. Those are the only true villains that Modern Disney recognizes.

[@aw3someinc175]

lady anasaia is the most likely suspect

[@pauldareason]

yep i thought the same

[@jameshill4900]

They plan on a second season. I think it's likely the guy who is with her. He will be defeated at the season finale and they will tease that he isn't the big baddie. Tune in next season.

[@greebj]

Next season... *Shudders* Somehow, the Acolyte will return? 😂

[@woolph58]

Wish someone had told the writers that a cliffhanger is a narrative device that leaves an audience in suspense or anticipation at the end of an episode. That the purpose of a cliffhanger is to keep the audience engaged in the story and encourage them to continue watching to find out what happens next. Cliffhangers can also evoke strong emotions in the audience, such as excitement, curiosity, sadness, or frustration, which can deepen their emotional investment in the characters. For example, an episode might end with the protagonist about to face the villain, but then cut to black with "to be continued". This puts the audience on the edge of their seats and eager to see what happens next. Ol' timey soaps and serials where pastmaster at this, This crew, not so much.

[@andreeacrisan8233]

The only cliffhanger here is the identity of the Sith, we know exactly what is going to happen, how this “fight” is going to turn up… everyone dead except master Sol, Jackie, and Yorren… and definitely Osha and Mae since they are the lead

[@Lilitha11]

You literally just described how the episode ended.

[@CarlWheatley-wi2cl]

The moment Mae gets yeeted off the screen like a cartoon character had me howling.

[@TJFassler]

It’s bad enough that she switches sides, but to also lay out her entire plan to the guy while he is hanging. What benefit is there to her in doing this? None. It’s for audience. Awful.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!"

[@Commanderstevo]

"the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention. Now that. is. Irony!"

[@josebrown5961]

Am I the only one that noticed that May’s hair seems to have grown a whole lot from the last episode?

[@Pedro-lg9wz]

Most be part of the thread!!😂😂

[@Aikibiker1]

The thread, the weave, the force, whatever.​@@Pedro-lg9wz

[@Tom-bi7ir]

@@Pedro-lg9wz hahaha that was "dread"ful

[@qwaserity]

You've actually convinced me to watch this episode. I stopped after 12 minutes of episode one but I'm sure this episode will bring me up to speed with all of it's explanations.

[@Kevinterell]

This reminds me of THE BARBOSA ENTRANCE at the end of pirates 2! That was MASTERCLASS!!!!!!!

[@forpoczta]

She had 2 very good reasons: 1. her sister was alive. 2. she realized that her "master" wanted her to be killed by wookie.

[@BlazingOwnager]

Go check out their writer credits. Only a couple have any real noteworthy experience on good projects and Hedland has her stamp on nearly every single episode as a writer. I think only Charmaine DeGrate has an actual qualification level required to be allowed near a major franchise.

[@Madame702]

Writing good Hollywood shows is not easy. You think it is but it is not. Dalton Trumbo was blacked listed for being a suspected Communists in the 1950's. He broke the blacklist because movies studios realized just how hard it is to write a good show.

[@Madame702]

Try and write a one to two page Star Wars treatment of your own you will see it not easy to do.

[@nyanchat2657]

@@Madame702 middle schoolers write better fanfiction than this all the time, it's not the odyssey you think it is

[@cowetascore8476]

@@Madame702 If you KNOW Star Wars, it's not as difficult as you think. These writers do not know Star Wars.

[@Madame702]

@@cowetascore8476 Then go ahead and write a one page treatment for a new Star Wars story. See if you think it is as easy as you think.

[@demoulius1529]

You can just feel the frustration, confusion and anger JSG got from this. Man im glad im not watching this myself...

[@neuro.weaver]

Trying to discover writing intend in this PoS is like trying to discover plot in a toddler's finger painting.

[@erikperez8842]

The Acolyte is unintentionally bringing the Star Wars community back together.

[@sadface7457]

This was clearly written as a movie and adapted into a TV show. They then decided not to edit it to fill the episodes. To the scenes feel long an uncessary.

[@andrewtaylor940]

That’s pretty much any D+ Marvel or Star Wars show

[@Madame702]

This fall squarely on Dave Filoni. He mess this one up. He not a great writer.

[@faynarawn4164]

@@andrewtaylor940 _"That’s pretty much any D+ Marvel or Star Wars show"_ You are right. The first two seasons of The Mandalorian may be an exception, but shows like this and Ahsoka are incredibly unsatisfying to watch week to week, because they're stupidly written to be binged without consideration for pacing or episode breaks.

[@cheyennealvis8284]

It's not a masterclass in bad writing. It's a front used to launder money. Think about it.

[@cattrucker8257]

Weinstein won't acquit himself, after all! He needs a loyal Acolyte to help out.

[@alexmartin3143]

Movies already have done that for decades. Taxes and money laundering. It’s why crappy movies are filmed and released.

[@troffle]

@@alexmartin3143 Yeah but it's super hard to excuse or ignore it at THIS scale.

[@louisbennett7709]

Good call ^_^ That's what I'm betting on. It made no sense to hire Leslye Headland after she admitted in her own interview that she was pretending that she knew what she was doing. The same way those idiots who wrote and directed the She Hulk episodes did. It's not about building a following, No, They are using the fans and media to distract from what they're doing with the money behind the scenes.

[@adrianpillai6645]

I posited this theory on another video, but I'm suspicious that this episode was written with the aid of ChatGPT. A) inconsistent character motivations, b) repetitive info dumps (because you made it a key point), c) very quick resolutions of plot threads and ideas, d) a smattering of (inconsistent) lore, and e) groan inducing dialogue.

[@justinw1219]

Lmfao.....No..... Chatgpt could do better

[@jklucy3886]

Thank you! I've seen several sources saying Ep 4 was at least some improvement on Ep. 3, but I didn't find that to be the case. Thought it was the worst writing and plotting we've seen in this comically bad series so far. I don't know what was worse, the lame and flat attempts at humor, or the inane "I'm saying something profound and insightful" moments that were total fails. "Am I being punked?" 🤣

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

You had to bring up the Star Wars: The old Republic cinematic trailers. There is a cinematic trailer fro the game ('Disorder') from 2022 that questions the way the Jedi choose their Padawans. It didn't get me to return to the game, but since I hear details about 'The Acolyte', I can't help thinking that this could have been the trailer to a great show.

[@andrewtaylor940]

Sadly the story that trailer led to has been mostly Mandalorian bullshit. While Malgus sits tied to a toilet at the bottom of the fleet station. But the recent patch has actually been decent.

[@cattrucker8257]

That trailer alone blows the entirety of Disney Wars out of the water story-wise.

[@Dernachtmachen]

"What? It's a technical term and a valid question." - JSG. That needs to be on t-shirt. Lol!

[@gregowen2022]

I disagree that Mae had no reason to switch sides. Have you ever been on a hike? Hiking is the absolute worst and will have you questioning every life choice you ever made that got you huffing and puffing in the woods. Her switching because she's tired of walking is the only believable part of the show so far

[@oldhatAN]

That short cinematic tells you everything you need to know about every class for the faction in a few minutes

[@mooonman66]

I had to take an acolyte while watching the acolyte

[@alexmuenster2102]

"It's what plants crave!" ("Idiocracy")

[@thecozman1]

Osha being shocked that the little tracker dude is sentient and "with us" is so stupid, she grew up in the star wars galaxy, she trained as a jedi, her seeming ignorance is rediculous.

[@ppsarrakis]

Questions like those would get you fired from that show ,like the guy falling off the window meme

[@treeNash]

I call it now, the big twist of the show will be that Osa is actually May and vise versa.

[@vortex_1336]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. The good one fell down the hole and the evil one was saved. They'll find out because of the mark they put on the evil one during the interpretive dance ritual.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

One of them is a force projection.

[@alexmartin3143]

Seems dumb enough for this…

[@Osprey850]

@@vortex_1336 I just checked and you can see the mark on Mae's forehead at 10:18 of Episode 4, so Mae really is Mae and not Osha.

[@troffle]

@@Osprey850 Right until the plot needs them to improve the deception so somebody gets out the marker pen.

[@reidkg12]

This might be your best video. Great job... and yes the SWTOR cinematics are excellent.

[@KennethBlum-sl6rx]

"Meessa not so smart". -Jar Jar Binks...or every critic on RT giving this a fresh score.

[@charlesjmouse]

All very good, reasonable, and well articulated commentary. A couple of very basic questions of my own: -What of the rule of two? (Who-in-the-hell is Smilo-Ren supposed to be? None of the few likely options.) -What of the prequels? (Ki-Adi-Mundi: "Impossible! The Sith are extinct! They have been for nearly a millennium.") Oh, and... Ki-Adi-Mundi is a grown adult at the time this 'series' is set..!?! And is a witness to these events!!!

[@MartinSedgewick]

Rule Of Two this seems to always be broken by the apprentice. Dooku was training Ventress to overthrow Palpatine. Vader wanted to bring on Luke to overthrow Palpatine. I think they went into Palpatine knowing Vader said this to Luke and punished Vader. and while there are 2, an acolyte maybe doesnt count. Prequels Ki-Adi-Mundi In the Jedi Temple scene, Venestra`s arrogance is to assume that Mae has been trained by a Jedi. They say it could be a spliter group So they think they are chasing a Jedi. No one has mentioned a Sith. I mean, is Smylo-Ren a Sith? Is it the Master or the Apprentice. They have created a problem as word now cannot get back to the Jedi that it is a Sith. And I think they put him in this just to force that problem. Can they stick the landing on it and avoid the issue everone thinks has already happened - which hasnt as they dont know it is a Sith!

[@kneelbeforezod2160]

Soooo The Rings of Power? 😂

[@brucecampbellschin8632]

But somehow worse.

[@kneelbeforezod2160]

@@brucecampbellschin8632 💯💯

[@longtsun8286]

They scraped the bottom of the barrel so hard, they not only broke through the barrel, but they're digging all the way to the Earth's core.

[@kneelbeforezod2160]

@@brucecampbellschin8632 💯💯💯

[@kneelbeforezod2160]

@@longtsun8286 for reals.

[@mikemulvey5789]

Episode 5 - “Red lightsaber guy returned somehow”

[@MrSeanmcgall]

Wookiee jedi in lore: able to speak basic (english) with a wookiee accent, disney: wookiees only go brrrrrrrerr rawr

[@leebishop7591]

I took so many "i can't believe it" pauses on this show.

[@giggigidy6998]

You know that one piece of turd that refuses to go away no matter how many times you flush?...yeah, that's what this show reminds me of.

[@thelaughingrouge]

Everyone can be useful, even if its only as an example of "See that? Don't do that."

[@jedishredder8541]

Mae’s traveling companion is clearly Sauron.

[@troffle]

nonono his name is "Halbrand".

[@PortugueseBadman]

"Who ends the show at the beginning of a fight scene?" Akira Toryiama

[@ericfeldkamp3788]

Smile-o-ren -- Hedlund thought the RoP sauron headfake was clever and decided that was exactly what SW needed.

[@midderdixon]

Its the lesbian nightsister mom, the one with the horns. We never saw her body, it will allow the 2 mcs to have a deeper connection with the villain and it parrels the 2 moons similar to the mcs, one mother was light side leaning and the other truely leaning dark in her actions, so after her cult and wife dies she turns to the sith and revenge.

[@alexmartin3143]

Of course they’d stick someone with horns everywhere in a helmet

[@asd35918]

“The writers forgot their own plot points.” Yeah they must’ve rewritten, reshot, and recut all this so many times nothing the characters do or say stays consistent scene to scene.

[@Nokaret]

Or not have done anything you mentioned and just have different writers make it up as they go without any coordination or quality control. Other Disney projects (e.g. Dr. Strange MoM, Ant-Man Quantumania) have shown that's how they operate, despite 180mil on the line.

[@WhatDoesEvilMean]

Bro…I’m pretty sure the little girl didn’t start the fire.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Star wars in the EU was more than telekinesis jedi and sith had thousands of abilities but in Disney star wars the force is just a plot device

[@tcunero]

Its almost like a story is more then a sequence of events.... EVERY scene in good stories has a purpose...

[@orangesonicc]

The way the Darth Zipper turns his head in the end though 😂😂😂 So fucking cringe, trying to look like a horror movie😂 I just laughed so hard at it

[@oldgoat142]

JSG, while I may not agree with you on some subjects, I will DEFINITELY take you up on the suggestion. As a writer, every once in a while I need a refresher school lesson, especially in what NOT to do. I'll probably need to get stoned and drunk afterwards, so I'll schedule this so I can sleep it off the next day.

[@columbatiberius2176]

The only way for Mae being shocked that Osha is Jedi Scum to work is if the twins are swapped. If the murderous twin in the flashback was the one that went to Coruscant while the twin that wanted to leave fell into the pit.

[@retconreality]

I've wondered about this since the apparent genuine confusion in the flashback scene "what did you do?" / "what did you do?" and the jumps cuts. I haven't cared enough to see if there are visual clues to back this up.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Split personality with one being a projection.

[@aragmarverilian8238]

There is bad writing and then there is the Failcolyte.

[@DrVon-Doom]

Everyone knows Disney is cutting corners with this production

[@troffle]

And fans. Corners and fans.

[@EmperorCaligula_EC]

There are a few exceptions, like the Council of Elrond, where much telling is done not showing. But it requires a true master, like Tolkien to manage that.

[@EvanBerry.]

If Osha was going to turn herself in anyway, then why, when she hears the Jedi approaching, does she run to get to the Wookiee's hut first?

[@Commanderstevo]

to be fair, she had no idea what that thing was, and no way to connect it to the jedi. If you came across some little gofer thing and it started screetching, youd probably get a move on too.

[@EvanBerry.]

@@Commanderstevo That's a good point. Thank you. I'm all about things being explained in the context of the story. Unrelated, I will say, though, that sometimes when I see videos doing "deep dives" in this material, it feels like they're giving the writers here too much credit. I have seen nothing that suggests that these writers have any respect for the lore or demonstrate any sort of deep thinking, so trying to look for connections and deeper meanings feels like excuses for a simply bad show. I wonder if anyone else agrees.

[@Jarzula]

Oh wow, I never knew the force picks up dirt too. Imagine being a janitor with the force? Holy smokes, no more bending over to pick up the damn dirt

[@JoesCaribbeanVanLife]

I cant believe they made "mawgs" from Spaceballs, canon in Star Wars

[@alexmartin3143]

My own best friend

[@sidnew2739]

They are called "Mogs".

[@magvs_mæstro216]

When he sent all of the lightsaber wielding jedi flying, it looked liked those old school Lifesaver Gummies (not even sure if they still make em')

[@marcosgin777]

They attacked ACTUAL jedis and made them seem WEAK

[@TankUni]

Looks like the power of maneeee is getting its shit rocked by the power of one.

[@noone8418]

It’s not a man in that mask. It’s one of the mom’s.

[@WhiskyCardinalWes]

It has to be a man, women can't be bad in Star Wars now.

[@rennmaxbeta]

@@WhiskyCardinalWes Disney women can be bad, but they always get redeemed or lack accountability

[@blackosprey2219]

​@@WhiskyCardinalWes They'll be somehow fully justified. Or maybe they'll just be faking it all along and didn't actually mean to kill anyone somehow. I dunno man, Reeva happened before this.

[@artnull13]

I reckon it’s Leslie Headland herself - she always has that derpy （。々°） grin on her face - explains the mask design for Smylo Ren

[@Stefan-he8cf]

​@@rennmaxbetawell, women can of course be "Bad" if they have been the victims of men. Then they are allowed to be murdering maniacs, because it's all the mans fault.

[@Lilitha11]

I can't really take you writing advice seriously if you don't know what a cliffhanger is, or know that it is extremely common.

[@NavyMMPHMA]

And they've burned ~$90 Million to this point

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Laundered.

[@johnsullivan937]

To put in perspective 90m was the budget for each of the lord of the rings trilogy movies.. which were all longer that the show we've had up to now, had amazing hand made sets, armor, costumes, and multiple setpiece battles. With the acolyte we have people talking for 29 minutes x4 and occasionally running across a cheap generic looking soundstage.

[@Luis-jl6oh]

This feels like*My Immortal* , you also get the same excuses from the writer

[@knuyorkr]

I dunno man, but I burnt my hand on the stove twice..... IT WAS PAINFUL!! 😂😂😂😂

[@Hallow_the_fur]

Honestly even if mundi was born before the Acolyte... Then him saying "there hasn't been a sith in thousands of years" makes less sense and still breaks cannon

[@seancallaway5204]

5:15 Darth Teeth is obviously Discount Ezra Miller. Take a look at episode I Don't Give a Fuck, when Mayday meets back up with him in an alley after confronting Tommen Baratheon. She swings at him a couple times and he dodges her punches like Bruce Lee swaying in a drunken stupor. C'mon, man!

[@robertharrison1058]

That happened against trinity in episode 1 she got her ass kicked so easy so she had to do typical cliche villain move threatening another's life to win.

[@RadeFoxxy]

The last scene proves the Lie in the "Power of Many", 1 Sith pwning 6 Jedi. 😂 Yet another contradiction.

[@gtc4692]

So the Wookiee Jedi doesn’t have a communicator? The Jedi couldn’t fly their ship slowly around the planet scanning for life? Seems way easier than walking around hoping to find someone.

[@rennmaxbeta]

Women's logic

[@chadschmaltz9790]

Yeah, the writers forgot the futuristic technology that is all over the Star Wars Universe.

[@MartinSedgewick]

They mentioned previously that Kelnacca has not been in communication for.... years? I think it was in the Jedi Temple scene. And this isn't Star Trek, I do not think that scanners work like that in Star Wars. I cannot remember anything like that before. I actually took from it that Kelnacca may have gone mad - with the symbols on the wall maybe he was obsessed with what happened in the flashback we will see. I think it could have been much clearer on these points - with what in the video was said as too many reminders from Osha, but here we could have had the Jedi say "We haven't heard from Kelnacca, so we don't know what we will find" sort of thing.

[@WorstGamer92]

Why the F does master Squid Game ignites his lightsaber like he's pulling it from his back?

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

The only way it makes sense is if Mae KNOWS Discount Miller is her undercover boss (Because GIRL BOSS) and she's playing with him by saying "I give up. Im turning myself in" It's the only way it works (and is still dumb anyways lol)

[@MartinSedgewick]

I am not sure if she does. I think I do know why she suddenly switched though. She needed Qimir to take her to Kelnacca. She didnt know where he was and it wasnt until Qimir said "It is 10 minutes that way" sort of thing. She had already made up her mind after finding out her sister is alive. That could have been conveyed with a shot of her "staring at the sky" and say something like "Oshie, you are alive" which makes us realise she is torn. However, again this could and should have been clearly conveyed. She could have said to Qimir "Thanks for leading me to him" and show she was using him. I think a lot of these things are there but so muddled in with the rest - you have to dig when you shouldnt

[@cyruskarloff7219]

Look at that Smile on May's when she is talking to the entrapped Tag-a-long (10:43) . It is beautiful and scary... ultimately unique.

[@SerpentineDeity]

Smilo Ren. Space lesbians. Time traveling Jedi aliens. These are top tier storytellers. 🐔💩

[@bookaloo]

That ending giving "on the next episode of DRAGON BALL Z!" vibes.

[@shigaraja]

Except that at least Dragon ball Z let the fights play out for a bit, and you knew that Goku was only getting started.

[@jessycruz2465]

It feels like they made the script the same day that they're going to shoot the episode.

[@markgregorygacosta531]

I'm just here to say that the names Osha and Mae were derived from a soap product called Osha Mae that Leslye Headlamp is probably using😂

[@Ramsey276one]

wat

[@ranchoth]

...holee crap, I checked, that's an actual, honest to god product.

[@markgregorygacosta531]

​@@ranchothit is. I learned that when I watched The Real BBC with Nerdrotic, Mauler and Az

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing you he never existed.