The Bear 2x6 'Fishes' | First Time Reaction

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Join Maple and Arianna as they delve into the past of "The Bear" with a reaction to Season 2, Episode 6, titled "Fishes." This episode takes us back five years to a poignant Christmas gathering with Carmy, his family, and friends, offering a deeper understanding of the complex dynamics and personal struggles that shape the characters we've come to know. As they navigate the tumultuous Feast of the Seven Fishes, the tension and raw emotions within the family surface, leading to explosive outcomes. "Fishes" is an exploration of tradition, familial bonds, and the impact of personal history on the present. After the reaction, stay tuned for Maple and Arianna's discussion on the episode's themes, character development, and the intricate storytelling that "The Bear" is known for.
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00:00 - Intro
00:10 - Reaction
32:36 - Review

[@nikolaos9652]

I felt so bad for Nat. She seemed so shell-shocked. It kinda makes sense that she would gravitate towards Pete, probably the chillest, kindest person in that house.

[@yuyuretro]

it also explains why cicero always takes it easy on her

[@soxxel12]

I'm not sure about it making sense that she would gravitate toward someone like Pete. Most people in her position would seek someone like Donna or a likewise co-dependent relationship. From the outside a person would tell Nat she needs a Pete in her life but it rarely happens. But I'm so happy she does have someone like him!!!

[@toddkonrad2407]

You know the situation is tense when even the Faks’ chaotic neutral energy is shut down.

[@jbo4547]

The Fak family learned many years ago to tone down The Fak energy to become docile and less of a target. Too many Faks were lost before they learned this skill.

[@MM-vs2et]

@@jbo4547 Only 2 remain allowed in the Berzatto family . The rest were culled in battle.

[@SidPhoenix2211]

Having too quiet of a family dinner? BETTER CALL SAUL!

[@LacoSinfonia]

LMFAO

[@Quzga]

Better fork Saul

[@Elephant2024-wi2li]

Looked like this episode was about to turn into Better Call Brawl.👊

[@allanallan2171]

Nice

[@red2977]

Probably the roughest part was when Carmy was talking to Mikey about his restaurant idea and what he wanted to build with him. You could see how much it meant to Carmy and Mikey knew that between his addiction and the state of the restaurant that it couldn't happen and how much that tore him up inside.

[@Diegesis]

such a powerful way to show us something without mikey ever explaining what he's thinking. everyone still gets it simply cause of facial acting and context clues. incredible

[@Oliverf-ej8kl]

Late response but I feel like that convo ties so much into what mike does for Carmy later IE leaving him that money and leaving the restaurant for him. Like when carmy keeps saying “we could do this,” as someone who’s had some issues w self esteem, I feel like I could sense Mikey thinking to himself “you can do this carmy, but I’d just fk it up, you can do this if I wasn’t a part of it.” Which is just heartbreaking bc didn’t care so much abt making The Bear, he cared so much more abt doing it with Mikey. That’s just my opinion on it, could be wrong.

[@BAD46660]

It was a gut punch when it was revieled that what seemed like a cute family nickname for Nat is actually a reminder of a mistake she made years ago every time someone calls her that.🥺

[@pabloc8808]

And it's related to cooking too, which was a very important thing for the Berzattos. It's not only a reminder of her mistake, it's almost like Donna is telling her she's not one of them

[@eigerw]

I don't think it's as big of a deal as people are making it out to be, that can be said for most nicknames. I know someone who goes by Pepper, and she has pretty much the same story but it was a stew at Christmas. That's just what friends and family do; make fun of each other's mistakes.

[@pabloc8808]

@@eigerw I don't think it applies here because we saw how vicious Donna can be, and cooking is very important for the Berzattos, so it doesn't feel like it's in good fun, it feels like she brings it up specifically to hurt Nat

[@TheMerovingienne]

​@@pabloc8808You're right, especially since Nat is the only one that doesn't cook now.

[@sheilaomalley4055]

Natalie is "parentified" - Yes!! Perfect way to put it. Great discussion! This episode really put together a lot of the pieces of Sugar for me - how she is a caretaker, how she wants Carmy to call her, to ask her how she's doing, etc. She NEEDS that. she never GOT that. until Pete, that is! This episode, too, really shows why Pete is so important, and the VALUE of what he provides for Natalie. He's stable, he never calls her Sugar, he thinks she's amazing and beautiful, he's just THERE for her. I always loved Natalie but I don't think I fully GOT her until this episode.

[@brianamitchell5475]

I just love how all the Berzatto kids react differently to their mothers insanity. Mike placates her, almost relates to her. Sugar shrinks away from her and tries in her way to calm her (it doesn't work but its almost a trauma response to ask if she’s okay) and Carmy disassociates. Which he does a lot to any intense situation. So interesting.

[@flightdub6056]

I can see a lot of similarity between how I handle things in my family with Carmy, and how my older sister handles it. I tend to dissociate and focus my attention elsewhere unless it’s absolutely necessary, and my sister tends to go the extra mile to peace keep. I think my sister sometimes resents me for not putting in the ‘effort’ to keep things okay, but honestly it’s emotionally draining. I think they nailed that whole dynamic with the siblings, the caring older sister and the kind of distant younger brother. It definitely fits from my experience.

[@RobertMorgan]

Dissociation, and the ease with which it's done, is a hallmark childhood trauma symptom. I get it.

[@Quzga]

John Mulaney has such good lines in this ep. He's what Pete will be in 10 years of being around their family "No one is ehh physically sick.." 🤣

[@brettcloud8550]

Just mentally 😂

[@thepimp31]

to me the " I think" is what made it even funnier

[@donnyouttheway4091]

Nah when he giggled 😂😂

[@robertdelossantos5844]

Mikey is such a momma’s boy. Set aside him being protective of his mom from Lee, he copies her mannerisms too. Donna threw a spoon at Stevie just like how Mikey threw forks later in the episode. And I bet that Donna threatening to shoot her self with a gun was a common occurrence in the household, which Mikey imprinted upon himself…

[@jameshughes7946]

Then after Donna has a breakdown he immediately does something to cause a fight to take the heat off her

[@lvfd6117]

Man that moment of mikey staring off, breaking the mask, hitting himself in the face as if to say "nope gotta pull it together if you cant keep it together this shits going to fall apart" really tells so much, it absolutely seems like mikey was the strong personality, the peacekeeper that carmy looked up to, and when he reached his emotional limit he finds ways to push beyond his limit, how many dinners, outings, holidays has something like this happened? We see mikey hanging by his last threads and props to jon bernthal for a great performance

[@pabloc8808]

It happens right after Carmy shows him their dream restaurant too. Makes you wonder if Mikey was already contemplating suicide at the time and thought about how much he'd be letting his brother down

[@pohia]

@@pabloc8808for sure. I read a lot of guilt in that scene. Like, he knows Carmy looks up to him a lot, but he probably doesn’t think he’s worth that, and he knows he’s not going to live up to Carmy’s idealized view of him?

[@pabloc8808]

@@pohia ​ I think you're right, because he knows Carmy has been working at some of the best restaurants in the world and wants to bring that to their restaurant. It probably makes him feel even more worthless, that while his brother has become so competent and accomplished and has so much to bring to the table, Mikey himself doesn't have anything, The Beef is a dumpster fire deep in debt. That's why, imo, Lee's "you're nothing" latter in the episode cuts Mikey so deep

[@pohia]

@@pabloc8808 yeah that close up on Mikey is so gut wrenching. It’s not just that he internalizes those words, you can absolutely tell that he already believed that about himself. When Lee tells him he’s nothing and a nobody, it’s like he can’t even argue that. So freaking sad but what an amazing performance from Jon Bernthal

[@JustKrin]

Damn, I read it totally opposite. For me he was already thinking about killing himself but seeing his baby brother showing this passion made him think like "fuck dude, you're gonna destroy Carmy if you kill yourself". Love your perspective

[@LaCheeserie]

The beef between Ritchie and Uncle Jimmy is because he does give him that job, seemingly to manage a property and in season 1x4 Dogs, at the birthday party they argue about the incident that likely lead to Unc firing him. He was called about a plumbing issue, but they called Mikey not Ritchie.

[@mamatthews78]

"Do you ask the rest of them if they're OK?" Literally every other conversation this episode starts with, "Are you OK?"

[@LaCheeserie]

One of those I didn’t catch until rewatch

[@ofthenearfuture]

One of the most memorable episodes of TV I think I've ever seen

[@Elephant2024-wi2li]

It made other holiday oriented dysfunctional family themed programs or movies like 'Home for the Holidays' seem extremely docile by comparison.

[@Quzga]

This episode really gave me the impression Mikey was the glue for the family as chaotic as he was, and being that person is very tiresome. Luckily my extended family doesn't throw forks but the older members arguing every holiday, drinking too much, and slamming tables while the young cousins/siblings try to keep it together? Been there many times lol Also finding out Sugar's sweet-seeming nickname was actually a way to put her down and mock her for a mistake her whole life? ouch.. That hurt me. Family members holding things you did as a child over you head as an adult is so messed up to me.

[@powertrip25]

"a Chicago dinner without at least 3 fights is considered a dull affair"

[@llfarnazll]

are they watching game of thrones on patreon? lol

[@killingjoke535]

My extended family in a nutshell 😮‍💨🤦🏿‍♂️

[@SpiralSine6]

The only thing this episode is missing is more shit talking the relatives who weren’t there

[@mryon518]

I think Maple misunderstood what cousin Michelle was saying. She doesn't 'have' a couple of restaurants in the sense that she owns them and is trying to get Carmy to work at them, she just has a couple of restaurants she thinks are really good thart he should check out.

[@abrahamchavezfranco]

The mom feels like she has borderline personality disorder

[@jparikh1]

Or histrionic.

[@Madagon367]

'Is he really that tall?' John Bernthal is 5'10 on a good day so it is more about accommodating Jeremy. Short king.

[@Diegesis]

lol

[@santinerino624]

to be fair John Bernthal is also just physically fkn massive, which makes him look taller than other people his height.

[@MM-vs2et]

John Bernthal is also torso tall. So he doesn't lose as much height when he sits down. And bro is ripped so that adds to it.

[@LaCheeserie]

The sprite callback is great. Ritchie had a feeling Nat had one in the oven

[@brettcloud8550]

"Carmen. Anthony. Berzatto. Do we have a problem?"

[@NickWalkerWilliamson]

there was a Roberto Clemente rookie baseball card that sold for $500,000 in 2016 (around the time this Christmas took place). i enjoy that dialogue much more now knowing that not only did Stevie potentially toss away half a million bucks, but the Faks would've also tossed it away for just $125.

[@cliveklg7739]

The mom pins all her expectations guilt on Carmy. She pins all her derision on Sugar. She pins herself on Michael. What a freaking masterpiece of acting and cinematography and writing. I've never seen something so realistically dysfunctional. Now take that family group. Double it for the number of adults, double again the number of kids (I have over 20 great nieces and nephews), and that's a holiday for my family.

[@RobertMorgan]

That's a response I would give, "Do I have access to X amount of money, yes, I'm a 40 year old man, so..."

[@Diegesis]

John mulaney should act full time

[@jacobamidon3114]

I know everyone loves mulaney and Jamie Lee Curtis, but my favorite guest star in this episode is Sarah Paulson. She makes me think of the people I know who are in a terrible situation but feel like they just can’t get out. You can offer them all the help you want, and even if it’d be good for them, they just won’t take it. It sucks to be on the outside knowing you can help but being powerless at the same time.

[@powertrip25]

He did take it…he went to New York but fell right back into a abusive environment with that Chef

[@jacobamidon3114]

@@powertrip25 No he didn't. Her offer was for him to spend the rest of his break with her, not for him to move in with her full time. She says "a couple of days." He went to New York after his apprenticeship was over.

[@Elephant2024-wi2li]

At first I didn't recognize Sarah Paulson because I am not accustomed to seeing her with shorter hair. Agree with you though. It was standout performance by her.

[@luchotaq]

This episode is too real, each family is a universe

[@sheilaomalley4055]

I think the cousin mentioned the restaurants as yet another way to make it EASY for him to leave. And I don't think they were her restaurants - or who knows. She says she's an idiot about that stuff - so maybe she just meant I know some good places you could work, or she's an accountant or something. Either way: all she's trying to do is make it easy for him to make the jump and leave - she knows it will be hard for him so she's trying to grease the wheels. Totally selfless.

[@troyareyes]

Love how the show basically funneled every bit of the first seasons critical clout into stacking the cast this episode.

[@bloodisbad3736]

"Are you okay?" It what this episode should've been called.

[@LaCheeserie]

But “are you good” not quite as bad for ma

[@nicokuhne3255]

too on the nose. Doesnt fit with any other title of episodes in this entire show

[@Awhmanitsdanttv]

“The guy who’s plays Saul” broke my heart but also I get it

[@modsquad3123]

Bob odenkirk is a chicago native too

[@luchotaq]

Some people carry problems for years without having tried to solve them, all their frustrations and traumas.

[@natwixterthan18]

My grandma isn't as extreme as Carmy's mom, but the things she says, especially on holidays is very similar. My grandma is the Head of household and this episode is eerily similar to what I experienced as a child. I love my grandma but she tends to say "No one cares about me. No one cares if I died" every time emotions are high. I figure it definitely has something to do with her family moving on. Creating their own little families, living new lives, and her feeling like she's no longer needed making her angry and frustrated. Being emotionally vulnerable is just not an option, so pain turns into anger.

[@NickWalkerWilliamson]

Clicked this after just watching episode 6 about thirty minutes ago. I knew the episode's reputation and was expecting it to be good, but damn. I wasn't expecting it to be perfect. That symphony of familial chaos was of my favorite episodes of television EVER. I can't believe I want to get back to the restaurant so that i can feel LESS stressed out. i'm blown away by this show.

[@Diegesis]

ive been telling people for the last month that it's maybe the best episode of television ive ever seen. Plus i think John mulaney should consider full time acting

[@mattgarfinkle978]

@@Diegesiswithout a doubt the most real

[@margaritakmp]

@@Diegesis completely agree, he has so much unexplored potential

[@Elephant2024-wi2li]

Did not think it was possible to say this, but this episode outshamelessed Shameless.

[@bjginla]

This is my favorite episode of the season. I know that there's nothing to do with the restaurant but you can see so much of where all of the turmoil has come from and....Jami Lee Curtis is unbelievable. So good so good so good.

[@novembermedusa]

After this episode I could never call Natalie "Sugar" again, knowing the origin of it. It sounds like an insult and were it me, I would hate to be called that. I think Pete never calls her that and I'm glad.

[@JeffKelly03]

I love this show so much, but it still drives me nuts how shitty they are to Pete. He's a giant fucking doofus, but he's a good dude who means well in every situation. But, it's a nice contrast to the high dysfunction of that family.

[@nikolaos9652]

Pete and the NY cousins are the only well-adjusted parts of the family. All the rest are so damaged that they cannot process genuine kindness.

[@modsquad3123]

This is fully normal chicago holiday dinner, seriously I’ve never had so much nostalgia from one tv episode!

[@bolt2134]

You can definitly see why Nat loves Pete he's just a very nice and chill dude

[@Cross6694]

One incredible detail that stands out on subsequent watches is Natalie's lower lip getting progressively more chewed and bloody. I mean look at it during the ending shot compared to the beginning.

[@chand911]

Don't worry, them ignoring the banana conversation in no way cheapens an amazing moment later. Not at all.

[@Diegesis]

ive never seen a single person catch on to the banana thing in a reaction

[@itss_nattyj]

I’ve seen a few people catch it because they were paying attention when Uncle Jimmy was telling Tiff the story. It was a good call back and very thoughtful and classy of Richie. I teared up when I first saw it.

[@benjaminfaulknor9588]

To me it feels like Micheal would emulate his mom, the one scene where he and their mom are badgering Carmen and kinda mocking him in the kitchen is a good example of

[@UhDewSea]

Its a literal shame that no one won an EMMY for this episode. To me Jamie Lee Curtis performance here was more deserving of an EMMY than her deserving an OSCAR for EEAO. Episode was really devastating.

[@shysword]

from my understanding all the awards they have won so far have only been for season 1! season 2 does qualify for the september emmys

[@UhDewSea]

@@shysword thats great to know! Thanks for letting me know. This show definitely deserves a lot for season 2

[@LeVidocq]

Cosign on her Oscar win being bogus

[@sample.text.]

I really don't know if there has ever been a better episode of any show (including GOT) better than this one. This is just complete mastery.

[@Quzga]

I genuinely think this episode is so good that they could release it as a shortfilm and people who have never seen a single episode of The Bear would totally understand the characters and the dynamics. Amazing writing and acting.

[@soxxel12]

I can't remember an episode of television that so clearly and painfully delivered so much background/depth on characters I had been watching for almost two full seasons.

[@jboy55]

In Everything Everywhere All at Once, Jamie Lee Curtis's character, the IRS agent, says when she was served papers, she drove her car through her neighbors house. Here her character does that to her own house.

[@nkanyisoinnocentkhwane3752]

😅 I feel like no ones ever seen Community but me

[@hepunk]

A lot of people "Britta'd" it this ep lmao

[@EzraSchwartz1]

Oh, Britta's in this?

[@stat1cghost]

I hope the rest of the core cast of The Community would make a cameo in future seasons/episodes.

[@TheFergo911]

Arianna from the get go was giving off the energy of been there a lot of times. I know the feeling, I have a mom that can go crazy when there are a lot of things going on at the same time.

[@thepimp31]

"That's the worst part". Famous last words.

[@thefourty-yearoldgamer8289]

this is one of the best things i've ever watched. even though I was horribly uncomfortable and feeling anxious throughout the episode. awful goosebumps.. heheh

[@bptnmrphy3991]

im so excited to see how you react to this episode it's literally my favorite episodes of television, and im usually only watching movies. i don't get sucked into shows but this one just scratches an itch ive had for so long

[@tejida815]

😂How many thumbnails for this episode show at one reactor grabbing their head? It really stood out for me when Donna mentioned the gun in her drawer. It was quick, but Carmy sent Sugar to get paper towels when she walked into the kitchen. It was kind of like trying to redirect her.

[@TrzaGoesHard]

Mike was responsible until he hit puberty. Watched his younger siblings etc. Mom always sees him as responsible even when he goes south.

[@DK-sd7cx]

As someone with...difficult parents, I FELT Arianna's involuntary laughter at 24:20 lmaoo, I remember having a similar reaction. This whole episode hit waayy too close to home but it's sooo good. Also, John Mulaney was the perfect choice to bring a few laughs during those brief moments of levity.

[@trevor_r]

No one should watch this episode without having a hug available after

[@habadasheryjones]

Man this episode sums up why I don't go home for holiday dinners anymore. I can do without the stress and shit-flinging of it all.

[@mjenkinsify]

I THINK YES HAS ANPROBLEM WOTH ALCOHOL. BUT I’VE ALWAYS SEEN IT AS THERE IS ANOTHER MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. AND SHE SELF MEDICATES WITH ALCOHOL. I DON’T THINK ITS AS SIMPLE AS OH SHES AN ALCOHOLIC.

[@ReelPiscesPlays]

It’s crazy cause usually the first born catches the hell and is left to care for other siblings. Mike situation may be different due to him being a boy. Moms are softer on the boys anyway and hard on their girls. Usually mom likes this have some weird bond with their boys but despite their daughters

[@FRESHNESSSSSS]

The most stressful but brilliant episode

[@peternoble2493]

Left guy enjoys the Bear; Right guy has lived the Bear.

[@CarlosCasanova9]

just here for the end discussion

[@noahtaube9323]

This whole episode gave me war flashbacks of my families holidays😂 No thank you

[@ariannaw6858]

bro same

[@Siddhartha92]

Probably one of the best filmed episodes of TV ever imo. Incredible direction and story telling with the camera alone.

[@kingpisces7029]

I like that in ep 1 of this season you can clearly see a pic of Jamie Lee Curtis in the pile of photos they show in the basement of the restaurant

[@Usurpationblitz]

Just watched the previous upload and had to laugh at myself when they were talking about how much anxiety they had during that one. This is THE anxiety episode

[@ReelPiscesPlays]

Maple may be thinking of adultification which usually happens outside the home and parentification happens in the home.

[@dQnielK]

I don’t think I’ve seen Arianna look so uncomfortable watching anything ever.

[@musicmucker]

I want a Fak episode in a future season so bad. Gimme like 20 Faks at a family reunion.

[@ian3314]

I haaaaaated this episode. I recognize it was a good plot episode but man if I never watch this one again I'd be fine with that. That gave me so much anxiety. Sooo much noise!

[@stellar476]

Maybe I'm wrong here but it seems like this episode clicked on another level with Arianna 🤣

[@ariannaw6858]

It hit home…

[@Mink-yu8nu]

Natalie & Pete need to be protected at all costs!

[@liamross340]

Nothing has ever captured the I'm stressed out on Christmas energy like this episode did

[@dh5363]

Oh, Britta's in this??

[@Diegesis]

Haha

[@pixelsin96]

What pissed me off during the dinner scene is no one stepped up to uncle lee and or told him to shut up. they all jus sat there watching. But if michael started speaking up against him they'd stop him before he could finish.

[@SigmaLibra]

Maybe they secretly agreed with Lee.

[@JH-td4uu]

You guys were talking the whole time during the conversation about the uncles childhood memory so you won’t understand something on the series finale.

[@powertrip25]

"are you okay, LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?????" LMAOOOOO

[@streetlevelaudio4388]

I think this might be the best episode of television I’ve ever seen… I’m trying to fault it…but I’m struggling…

[@Diegesis]

I've been telling everyone this for a month.

[@will.amartinnn]

easily the best episode of tv from the last few years, if not the last decade. perfectly chaotic, extremely claustrophobic, and is perfectly paced while still feeling completely all over the place. definitely this show’s opus and it’s gonna sweep all the awards next year. can’t wait to see how they top it this summer with season 3 !!!

[@AbsolutAlim]

Literally my favorite episode of this show! I subscribed to the patreon to see the full!

[@JeffKelly03]

It's such an incredible episode with wall-to-wall powerhouse performances. That scene at the table with Bernthal and Odenkirk is SPECTACULAR.

[@Izzyneedscoffee]

this episode always gets me because this is what my family was like….

[@nerdtritiousnerd5233]

31:42 This feels like a " Hehe, You'll See" moment.

[@notprosperBEATS]

5:45

[@SgtThUND3R]

"Freaky Friday! Is that who that is?" Maple, I swear to god...

[@chance1774]

we got a good picture of donna back in the first season and we didn’t even know. it was during a conversation between carmy and tina: “when’d she make that for you?” “last christmas” “… she full psycho?” “😬… she wasn’t calm but the food was GREAT.” the setup and payoff in this show is immaculate 🤌🏾

[@krpchnkva330]

This episode made me so anxious I had to stop and finish another day

[@modsquad3123]

It’s also like the second street comedy store in here, which one of these clowns wasn’t raised on second street comedians in chicago!

[@modsquad3123]

Stevie that was beautiful, i appreciate you, you did a wonderful Job…….and here we go…… I’m sorry, i feel all of this…..i have this, i have dealt with this, its an emotional roller coaster with multiple siblings……how can you not root for the older brother, he wants his brother to thrive….

[@Knightowl1980]

Everytime I watch this episode or a reaction I pick up in something new from the episode. Donna threw a spoon Michael throws forks

[@Diegesis]

yes i noticed that like the third time. nice subtle little foreshadowing

[@yuh-fv7ds]

I’ve never seen generational trauma portrayed so well

[@LeVidocq]

Having a cluster B mom will completely screw with how you handle getting close to people. I think every season is going to have an insanely stressful episode.

[@hyprmynd]

What sauce calls for a cup of salt? Do the Berzatto's make gallons of sauce at a time... nevermind, that tracks.

[@OfficialMarkJBS]

Pete is so pure lol

[@rhettboy1]

This is one of the most wonderful, stressful episodes of TV ever written.

[@brandonmeng3998]

honestly just can't wait until you get to the next episode, like, TODAY PLEASE???

[@valdmertheii1354]

How did they find my family?

[@MateoWihogni]

You guys should watch mr inbetween if you haven’t already, its an AMAZING show.

[@erivej]

Have to ask, have you seen Shameless? If you haven't, you might want to check it out 😁

[@thyagosaints]

Great reactions, this Episode It Just too real

[@novembermedusa]

Also, this episode explains a lot about Claire. Carmy probably had a crush on Claire when they were younger yeah, but that was ages ago, here he cannot even remember who she is at first. She is certainly not a love of his life. But these people living in this bubble of a world are stuck and even though he traveled abroad to learn cooking and be better they keep dragging him mentally back. The way Mike, Richie and the other guy corner Carmen and talk about Claire is sick. He is so uncomfortable and panicking, so out of control. The way they talk about her is also gross. This episode just links Claire to the past, to his dysfunctional family, and that's the main reason why I don't want them to be together. He needs to heal and for that he needs to move on, look forward. Like Natalie.

[@Jellysfrickingstuff]

21:17 ya’ll didn’t wanna pause the show? Lmao

[@cheappoetry2798]

Its sad that Carmy got the help to get out of the toxic life, but Mikey needed it more than anyone.