The Best and Worst Cars of 2024 - The Carmudgeon Show w/ Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott - Ep 176

[@urbancliff]

I think bmw and tesla owners have a lot more in common then they realize and could reunite around the fact that both park sideway in handicap parking spots

[@brandonsever2576]

They also both enjoy presenting the brightness of the sun to oncoming traffic with their low-beam headlights!

[@ChronosWS]

Yes but will the BMW park _itself_ sideways in the handicapped spot?

[@brandonsever2576]

​@ChronosWS Maybe not, but Tesla's autopilot doesn't weave through traffic at 40 over like most BMW drivers, so it evens out

[@KC-hs7ku]

A lot of the drivers that created the mythos of the “BMW driver” are now Tesla owners

[@nickrulez809765]

Most Tesla drivers are Altima people with mediocre credit.

[@memememine1]

I think Jason’s analysis of some M car owners was spot on. Most of them genuinely don’t understand why their car isn’t the best. These people like cars but don’t really know anything about them. They get in their M cars step on the gas, feel acceleration and maybe jerk the wheel around hard on the highway. That is the extent of their interaction with their drivers car. I know many s55 and s58 owners who swear up and down their cars have zero or almost zero turbo lag. They genuinely drive around thinking their engines are responsive. They have never experienced an engine with response or a chassis with real steering feel and think the f82 was some high watermark in the history of performance cars.

[@TwoDollarGararge]

So there a one brand stan.

[@nicolasa.3192]

When you take a step back as an enthusiast you start to realize that this is actually most buyers of these cars. It's not really elitism, you just have to understand that most people are not actually pragmatic about cars or really anything in their life. The F80 and beyond M3's speak the right language to someone who just wants to do pulls and slide around like a jackass in an expensive sedan like the guys in NYC lane filtering videos do

[@TwoDollarGararge]

@nicolasa.3192 that's alot of cars not just BMW M cars they just want the vehicle to sound and feel exciting not a genre definer.

[@Nik-qh4mj]

Can you please give an example of cars that have "engine with response or a chassis with real steering feel" and that are not rare or really expensive?

[@bentucker2301]

Breathe

[@calicolin1]

All I want for Christmas is to see your van, Jynah

[@Dolby109]

Beat >

[@nicholasc1781]

I have done almost all of my lifetime driving on Arizonian tires. They are the discount tire store brand. I think they are made by cooper (?). My dad and I have had those put on every single car that we owned because we knew a guy that worked at the local discount. They are all I have ever known. Honestly, we kept coming back to them because we never had an issue. I have never had a tire failure that was not related to a foreign object, and even those failures never required the spare tire. I have never had them hydroplane on me unless the puddle was deeper than a couple of inches. This is while living in dead industrial towns in Michigan, where you could reasonably bottom your suspension out on an unfamiliar road with unfamiliar potholes. I was raised to be very frugal, and buying nicer tires has been something that just never computed with me until very recently. I realized that I was happily spending over $150 on decent tires for my motorcycle, while the car that I drive every day is riding on the absolute bottom of the barrel. I have never even driven a car that had snow tires. Suffice to say, I've been doing research on tires and I will be changing my ways sooner than later.

[@alkalinetaupehat]

Jason is Derek's Hyphe-man.

[@robl7532]

Comment deserves more credit than getting!

[@assininecomment1630]

👏

[@Kalepsis]

I actually want to see an objective comparison test between Pilot Sport 4S and Vredestein's high performance summer tires.

[@jackwicker]

I'd love to see a test as well. There are a couple European tests from earlier this year and it seemed to do pretty well. I picked up a set of Ultrac Pros for my Model 3 performance last week and have been impressed so far.

[@SuryaDe]

Jason, this comment might get drowned out in the sea of comments but please know that your work is appreciated. Don't ever change.

[@Bluestarr75]

1:04:52 if youre talking about small turbos, the Mazdaspeed protegé has Garret's smallest production ball bearing turbo at 7 lbs of boost

[@MrBMW-ic8ur]

Still waiting on the Pontiac endurance test

[@johnhannibalsmith5386]

Merry Christmas Carmudgeons,

[@davidmehr1939]

My mom has one of those trees and it is my favorite version of christmas tree. Happy to see other people appreciating them

[@UNKNOWN_NICKEL]

All I want for Christmas is the Pontiac Endurance Test.

[@misteralfredo]

Hey Jason! You mentioned the Mercedes turbo'd car. As an intersection of your two interests, there is a community of folks that turbo BMW m20 and m30 engines. Given you have access to many m20 cars, turbo-ing one of those would be quite the riot. It is quite the task to do everything standalone, of course, but there is hope: BMW made an m30 codename'd m102/m106 in the e23s (745i) which give you a stock option for turboing a car. From what I understand, it takes a very similar two-small-turbo, low-boost approach to powercurve. Things to consider as a drop-in to an e30!

[@nightshifted]

Hey guys-love the annual wrap! Thank you! Jason-you’ve mentioned the fiberglass body making noise against the Elise chassis a number of times. I own four Lotuses on that chassis, have 80k miles on my Elise, and have never noticed that. Wonder if one of the clams was loose on your car? The lower rockers are bonded to the chassis, so any noise likely from the clams, which are all bolted on (and possible to be loose).

[@ZachPrimo]

jason saying he’s not sentimental when he would lay down his life for a volkswagen scrirocco

[@energymc22]

40:28 - LOL that's a Suzuki fog light part number.... although the Eb110 had very few shared parts with other cars, this makes me smile as Artioli was the Italian importer of Suzuki, sneaky, as Jason said, all that effort 😂

[@pvtcmyers87]

I was buying a set of tires for at the time for my ND miata and I had checked tire racks review of the vredistein hitracs then I listened to you talking about how you were interested in vredistein tires. I then bought vredistein tires and they are pretty awesome. They are so great I'm buying another set of vredistein tires for my new to me Honda Accord 2.0t.

[@tyler9703]

I have a set of Hypertrack A/Ss on my ND and they are genuinely amazing. All the grip of Michelin AS4s with better steering response, wet weather performance and treadlife.

[@joespector1270]

15:46 “are you walking out too as part of this?” i love these carmudgeons

[@jono6379]

Eff the haters. I watch your videos for the seemingly unbiased nature of them. (Also the humour.) If the m3 is no longer good then someone needs to say it. And if an electric car isn't a boring whitegood then that needs to be said too. So happy holidays and im hoping you upset even more people next year😂

[@leviathan5207]

Eff? You mean fuck?

[@fskof]

The BMW’s and particularly the M cars haven’t been good in a long time. It’s sad what that company has turned into

[@szotakandrei]

​@@fskof the original M2 was pretty well received as far as I remember So was the f90 M5 and especially the CS. The new M5 is an abomination, and so are all the "SUV M cars "

[@ZachPrimo]

merry christmas guys

[@michaelking6596]

Merry Mudgeon! 🎄 ... Derek yule-tide Scott and Jason Grinch C....

[@Saggy_G]

Derek Yule Hyphen Tide

[@aprtur]

In the hecticness of everything going on, I was just able to catch up on this one tonight - hope you both have been having an awesome holiday break, and are getting the opportunity to recharge!

[@kens8903]

I really hope that y’all can get around to testing TVR’s now that they’re starting to become legal because of the 25 year old. I want to see your opinions on the sagaris

[@kjyu]

Since the new Throttle House Road Trip with old V12 cars dropped - E38 BMW 7-series and MB S-class W140 - Which of these would you choose now, and a future question, which one would you choose after the series ends (they said they will do slight mods on the way)? Love listening to you guys especially on Monday afternoon!

[@griffins750]

That’s an interesting question… If the E38 was a “Shorty sporty” rather than a LWB with a V12 I’d assume they’d both pick that since they’ve talked about how good it looks numerous times. But it isn’t a Shorty so that makes it a very interesting decision… I bet Jason would go for the W140 so he can put those crazy headers on it 😂

[@nickrulez809765]

W140. But the Century is the best V12 of that era by a wide margin.

[@leviathan5207]

By what metric? Surely not power, nor noise.

[@nickrulez809765]

@@leviathan5207 Build quality, longevity, and luxury.

[@griffins750]

@ Build quality and reliability. Which is saying something considering it’s being compared to prime Merc, but the Century is just one step further, basically a Rolls Royce with near Camry reliability.

[@joecutro7318]

Happy Festivus, guys! Thanks for another very enthusiastic year! Beep beep! 👍🏼🙏🌲☮️☃️

[@dBsdecibels]

Great year, you two! Enjoyed getting to glimpse it through the tiny screen!

[@only3pedals]

Great to hear Derek put the converted CS on the list. Truly a wonderful experience. Jason, if you can't find one locally, you're welcome to drive mine if you make your way to Texas.

[@RetBaron]

Do what you do because you do it best. Can't wait to every new content from you, Jason. Hope new year will be even better and please do thorough test with GMA unobtainable cars, just to taste something that most of us will never see whole life. Touch the perfection...

[@willsullivan3]

Memories. Nostalgia. Sentiment. My grandmother had a Christmas tree like that.

[@JayPeezySLC]

I was so excited by your video about the id buzz, that I immediately looked at the vw website to build one for myself. Very fun car...but $60k is a little steep. Hope they can survive well enough to depreciate into a place in my driveway someday. Love your show and getting to drive vicariously through your experiences and anecdotes. Happy holidays and good luck in the new year!

[@PragmaticPragmatic]

Their range is a little short and the vehicle a little long. VW bring over the short version as a five passenger. America needs a mini-minivan.

[@tonyflorio3269]

Jason -- what cycling do you do (road, mountain, gravel, commuting?). I love driving well and cycling for a lot of the same reasons: doing either well means being immersed in what you are doing; being aware of your environment; where you are looking; and your interaction with the bike/car. But, over time, I find myself enjoying riding more and driving less. I'm fortunate to live somewhere with a lot of lovely dirt roads (gravel cycling) and relatively low-traffic country roads (road cycling). And, a lot of my driving is either in-town or along one of the most congested highways in North America (Ontario 401). But what makes driving frustrated is I'm usually surrounded by people clearly not paying attention -- who'd clearly rather not be driving if another convenient mode was available. Every once in a while, you get in a flow of traffic and you are in a group of people who appear to be paying attention and the difference is night and day. From a safety and 'flow of traffic's perspective, it's what driver training should aspire to: to generate skilled, attentive drivers. Instead, we are pinning our hopes on technology to drive our cars for us, which seems to just accelerate the trend towards inattentive, unskilled, reluctant drivers. I can go on a bike ride with my club, sit in the draft right in someone's wheel, and feel reasonably confident in their abilities. I'd love to have that feeling out in traffic as well! But given current trends, my driving experience seems to get a little crappier each year.

[@anthonygordon14]

Happy Christmas Jason and Derek. Luv Carmudgeon and look forward to many more episodes in 2025. Taking my Porsche 928 S4 to the Bathurst 12HR at end of January. 8th year of camping with the cars, great company and great racing :-).

[@Mazoox500]

I love that the first supplier on the EB110 is Poltrona Frau. Have you seen how expensive their leather is?

[@nicolasa.3192]

I really hope Jason does more videos on his cars with Jay, please talk to him about bringing the 308 and the 2.3-16 in! Theyre really lovely episodes, its my two favourite old car guys in one room EDIT: On being scared to drive old cars out and about for fear of dying, the best advice I can give Jason is to move out of the bay. I'm from Alberta and I genuinely almost constantly fear for my life when I am on the road within Calgary city limits. It is a night and day difference in the level of intelligence, courtesy, and patience people have on the road in the country and small towns. It's not perfect, but it is so much less scary for day to day driving

[@jasonkinsman1683]

Considering Jason's apprehension fir turbo cars, but love for the Zender 300E he drove, i would like to suggest he try and make time for the Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4. 3.0l V6, with twin TD04 Turbo. A fantastic GT car with LOADS of power, and minimal lag. To be noted also, the Fit and finish is the best I have experienced of "normal" Japanese cars of the era. Genuinely a worthwhile experience to look into.

[@EvanDickersonM81]

I wish I knew you needed one of those ceramic Christmas trees when I was cleaning out my grandmother's house a couple years ago she had like 4 of them in a variety of colors.

[@davidraezer5937]

I came across Vredestein tires a couple years ago for my R129. I was so impressed with the quality and traction and pricing that I bought them for my other cars. I need to buy a set for my Citroen CX Turbo but I’m still torn on buying Michelins for that one.

[@Buuster1999]

What a wonderful combination of cars, hats off!

[@PragmaticPragmatic]

Did Michelin still own Citroen when the CX Turbo was built (I think they still did but am not sure)? If so you have to go with Michelins.

[@AllSpeed]

an affordable XL1 is what the world needs.

[@Vattiis_Happonnen]

Yes, please and thank you!

[@Cypress_green]

You mean a Honda Insight?

[@rafaelmoreir]

With 4 cars and caretaking another 2, I struggle to find time to work on them. About driving them, I once let one of them sitting for 4 months. Everytime I drive them I regret not doing so more often, but the concern about safety and other drivers is real. Almost no one seems to care about others while driving, being it a result of more insulated cars, being it about our society and it's values.

[@DarkClosetOfTheMind]

Continental DWS is the best all season/weather tire, hands down. I run them on our Beetle, STi and Porsche 944 (that gets driven all year).

[@violinmiata]

The only times I’ve had one working car that I could use, both times have been two different Miatas. Except when the latter Miata needed brakes and it was a BMW. Love this show!

[@Buuster1999]

As another "Lord knows what" tire owner, they're great and can only recommend them!

[@cloudyview]

The ceramic Christmas tree - I have one of those too - bought it at Costco two years ago 😄

[@michealfaulkner5612]

I had that Christmas tree in my house as a kid too! Found one not exactly like it but it fits the bill for now. Happy holidays!

[@Dolby109]

Honda Beat is great. I replaced my Beat with a Cappuccino, and while the Cap is nicer, and quicker, the Beat had a lot more character, and sounded soooo much better. The Beat actually sounded like you were hauling ass because you were revving out to near 9k RPM, close ratios so you'd shift often (midway though 4th gear when you hit 100kph/62mph). Just a blast to drive on a tight road. If I ever get enough room I'll work on getting another Beat.

[@Dolby109]

Note - accident's in the Beat: I drove my Beat some ~10k miles in 2 years, and never had an accident, but I did have two very close calls from people who clearly didn't see me. One was a lane change...fairly typical, but the bad one was when someone turned left, basically directly at me. I gunned it (which doesn't do much in a Beat) and just barely avoided him smacking the back quarter panel.

[@E92ABE39CB]

As someone who owns a G80 M3 manual, I wholeheartedly agree with Jason's assessment of the BMW M3 and find the backlash against Jason childish. Who gives a fuck? At the end of the day it's a car. It's not that serious. If you like the car, just enjoy what you have and shut up. He is doing his job; he has a completely different experience-set than most people-that's why he's one of the best automotive journalists. And while I happen to agree with Jason's assessment of the car, I also happen to like the car very much after having lived with it for a couple years. It's possible to hold 'conflicting' thoughts in your head; life is nuanced and people have an infinite set of reasons for owning the cars that they do.

[@Valt3ralves]

Happy Holidays 🎉

[@ahmadjavedaj]

I am gonna find a set of winter tires for my miata from tire rack now! Verdestien on top of my list now

[@assininecomment1630]

V _red_ est....

[@V12BRO]

Ok i want to bring my 850 on a heavy car rally. Gonna make time for it like yall talked about in the end.

[@drunkpolack7612]

Merry Christmas!

[@tymwalt]

Who has time to be a hater?! I appreciate these guys for sharing their insight & experiences on why we are all here. Thanks for 2024 content gents & cheers to you & everyone here in 2025!

[@BrycenKauai]

I had an 88 Nissan 300ZX turbo SS a while back that had no appreciable lag. 3L sohc V6 with a tiny turbo running 5psi without an intercooler. If you ever get a chance to drive a Shiro Special, take it! Man I miss that car!

[@urbanstrencan]

End of the year already 😮😮. Great podcast year and this episode was epic 😂😂. But still you need to get to Europe to visit our Slovenian Akrapovič exhaust systems and Rimac Campus in Croatia 🤟😍🤟. And do that trip in the best hothach the pocket rocket Hyundai i20N Performance 😍😍🤟🤟 Keep up with amazing job in 2025

[@punjabeeplaya]

2025 resolution for you two should be filming the Pontiac endurance test

[@evalonious]

Since this is the Christmas special, I just thought I would mention that right now I'm working on my 9lbs11oz. Air-cooled and Dry-aged Christmas Dinner Turkey! Love yall! Happy Holidays!

[@nickwagner2284]

I love this podcast, but this episode really underscores your lack of experience with Japanese cars. It would be nice to have a regular guest with the level of expertise on Japanese models, particularly the golden era 80s/90s JDM market cars.

[@p00pie]

Who else is feeling exceedingly jolly and fulfilled?🎅🏻❤️☃️

[@ak1s4]

What was the name of the mercedes tuner with the small turbos. Im trying to find more info but i can't.

[@dmitryt9286]

My dad's Opel Omega Caravan 1988 came on Vreditens 😉

[@TwoDollarGararge]

Running vredsteain quadtrack pro's on my daily Focus ST excellent price to performance decent in all weather and are holding up well.

[@cegie7580]

Christmas episode just dropped!

[@jesiahdeibler7217]

For anyone just seeing this- the actual content starts around 13 minutes. *Jason, I love your material, but please cut the goofing and fluff.

[@martintotev4508]

i think most of us want to see it, i for one love it, i think derek and especially jason loves it, you can skip it but overall i think its pretty cool for most viewers

[@SuperMcgenius]

My grandmother had a horse and carriage, it never needed an oil change or a wheel alignment😂

[@dougrobinson8602]

But, oh, the emissions!

[@Dolby109]

Cappuccino Turbo is still smaller btw. It's so cute...

[@randorandom]

Was really hoping Jason would turn his head to reveal his Santa cap actually said "Naugahyde"

[@joemamaisfat]

Jason, have you heard a 718 4 cyl. with an exhaust? Shit sounds like a Subaru if it did a line of coke longer than the Vegas strip.

[@arthurs7882]

Am I missing something? What about the dyno plot for that 300E turbo looks remotely naturally aspirated? I mean I suppose the horsepower curve does, but the torque curve is distinctly forced induction

[@ecksray48]

My biggest disappointment of 2024 was that Radwood did not return to Phoenix after what felt like a pretty successful inaugural event in 2023. Jason/DTS - can you help it make a comeback in 2025??

[@philbegas]

I just put Hypertracs on my BRZ because it came on stupid Primacy summers. Debating putting a set of the Quatracs on my B5 passat since they're supposed to be snow rated.

[@technom3598]

They put eco tires on the Bez because it's more fun to have less grip.

[@philbegas]

@technom3598 yea but eco summers is stupid. Might as well have all seasons and have decent grip in the rain and cold too instead of danger lol

[@assininecomment1630]

I wonder if you guys have enough viewers here in Straya, that Vredestein gets a sales bump in this country.... I'm now a potential customer. 🙂

[@assininecomment1630]

Uh oh... Turns out, they only sell farm tractor, etc, tyres over here. 😕 So, a tyre yard purchase is out. Maybe I need to source and buy a set myself, and either fit them at home, or dump at the front desk of the local independent tyre hacks, just down the road. 😄

[@lipks7jh]

I had 5 cars under my care at one point. It was too much. I can't imagine having 12 to keep up with. Jay Leno has the right idea. Have staff to take care of the cars.

[@martingardens]

Rent a room in Bolinas so you can do a Tam Jam and loop back through Pt. Reyes Station and Lucas Valley via Nicasio Lakes.

[@Chris21709]

Pat on the back, Jason! 🙂

[@Georgethedog11]

They don't make summer tires for anything less than 18" diameter, correct?

[@6rimR3ap3r]

I don't know about USA but here in Germany there are Ultrac Vorti, Ultrac+, Ultrac Satin, Ultrac and Sportrac 5 in smaller than 18.

[@RewriteFutureHistory]

Hey jason, since you are in germany every so often i would like to invite you to my beat in lower Bavaria. I'm pretty sure you would love the Beat in the possibly best setting it could find itself. Derek, the invite does also apply to you. If you make it in time i will also probably still have a v12 car you guarenteed havent driven yet, that you can experience :)

[@saultknutz1166]

Demuro downsized for the same reasons JC, not enough time and keeping up with maintenance was starting to be overwhelming

[@SuperMcgenius]

Regarding all cars mechanically are the same, I would say the Citroen DS Is not in that group😅

[@WelcomeToAir]

I do get the BMW hate but man… they’re at least trying. Definitely Not in cosmetics but the car is better than F8X. Maybe not on street but definitely on track. Yes it doesn’t have as good of steering and yes it’s quieter but the damn thing is a weapon. Last generation Jason complained of F8X having a soft front end, G8X has a spot on front end, Randy Pobst even confirmed. F8X also sounded like a chainsaw, G8X S58 has a proper I6 noise (if you do exhaust, and tbh stock is fine too…) idk, I’m not trying to be a BMW fanboy but I am a fan of the brand and their motorsports, I don’t even own one but man, it ain’t like Audi or Mercedes is building anything better… Cadillac is different ofc but we haven’t even brought in BMWs motorsport successes over the last couple years! They have direct links from Motorsport to road cars that almost no other Manufacturer has. Nothing personal ofc, it’s about the cars, not Jason!

[@travertinepico751]

Is derek married, and did his partner keep their last name and do a double hyphen- I must know 😂

[@adriaanserrao2016]

I constantly am hoping he is Gay, he always posts Instagram stories with the same man, and they look cute and happy together.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

I am sorry to hear that Jay is aging - I mean he has all the right for doing it - he is so beloved! From Germany. I love Jay Leno.

[@wasupmike22]

Video starts at 13:00

[@pappaslivery]

Happy Honda days

[@conorallen100]

Surely the mk7 GTI is a turbo car Jason loves

[@_que]

Targa Newfoundland, game, will try to reach. On the list, if not now when??? Thank you

[@Klarkash-Ton]

I used to be an annoying BMW fanboy, and now I don't even *like* any of the cars they make. It is a completely different brand from 15 years ago.

[@buddahae86]

44:20 Did Jason just queef?

[@Nightwalker86]

Vredestein, please, for the love of God- make the Sportrac 5s for the common 14in and 15in tire sizes, and sell them in North America and Europe. We have *nothing* for options. I have the Advan Flevas and trust me, they are barely a competitor. Please come dominate the Euro classics market with a de facto monopoly. I literally keep my E30 14in BBS original wheels in the basement, waiting for the day.

[@TonyBasuro]

Bro, that 560 SEC. Bro.

[@TonyBasuro]

1:21.10: how do they do it? Rhetorical questions don't need answers.

[@TheM3pete]

Love the show watched so many episodes. Please 🙏 🙏 🙏 no political talk your show is great.

[@colinkelley7807]

Plymouth Duster, Derek. Plymouth

[@danieltackett4089]

The Dodge version was called the Demon. About as far from the Challenger Demon as you can get!

[@EUC-lid]

Jason, I stopped riding road bikes and got into motorcycling because, as long as your old man brain engages the self preservation circuits and you can get out of the city, they’re so much safer than cycling. They absolutely ruined cars for me, though.

[@AllSpeed]

distracted driving crashes are too high to drive classics every day. mostly because of safety, not just damage.

[@aprtur]

Not only this, but theft gaining ground seemingly each day lately is another deterrent. Classics are far more susceptible to theft, especially if they're anything that draws the eye. It's manageable when driving for fun and on a more limited basis, but I think I'd feel paranoid daily driving a nice classic (i.e. not something pedestrian like the old B13 Sentra I used to drive), not to mention the fact that insurance policies for agreed upon value are not keen on putting a lot of miles on them.

[@commissionimpossiblepod]

Looking forward to that Land Cruiser Icons. I have a 100 series (LX470) and I have zero interest in the 250. Land Cruisers are supposed to be indestructible, with an understressed low performance unkillable and horribly inefficient big engine. Turbo 4 banger hybrid? No.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Never evaluate a car based on your like or dislike of manufacturer CEO.

[@qtrfoil]

Disagree. We buy cars based on how they make us feel, and most of the cars talked about here are sold on story, not statistics. Elon is a big part of the Tesla story, and would be a part of how owning one would make me feel. I already wouldn't drive one because I think they look like fat ducks, but cars are a holistic experience, and he's part of that experience.

[@johnpoldo8817]

@ It’s your money to do as you wish. For me, I never buy a vehicle based on any “story.” My criteria is style, efficiency, features, comfort, performance, and price. I like Jim Farley, but his EVs don’t interest me. I’m not a fan of Mary Bara, but would consider buying one of her EVs. And I’ve bought EVs from Lucid, Mercedes, and Kia without knowing anything about their CEO’s.

[@rick-hm3ji]

As always, love this video (and all of the videos that you guys put out, either singly or together). One thing, and I'm not trying to offend, but could I suggest that Jason try and minimize the use of "umm"? It gets distracting. Please take this in the constructive criticism intent mode that it is offered. Happy Holidays.

[@Audi30V]

The new C63 is so awful. I hate it. I had a small amount of hope for the C43 that also has an electric motor in the turbo but no hybrid power, it too is awful. Lots of lag, not a good sound and lots of vibration. The previous generation with the V6 is leagues better. Also, the new 4 cylinder has a high failure rate. Mercedes is having a bad day lol.

[@titaniummechanism3214]

18:52 The actions and worldview of Teslas head clown don't sit well with me, but Tesla as a company has some pretty bad anti-consumer business practices. That alone would've been enough to dissuade me from buying any Tesla product.

[@jasondoe5741]

I don’t understand the hate against Elon he is literally creating industries not just one but many. He wants free speech and a smaller government.

[@DavidFlorez-e4u]

Well stated, thank you!

[@AKK5I]

Why was he banning Tesla skeptics on Twitter then?

[@JayPeezySLC]

Has anyone ever hated a ford or chevy...pick a brand, because of the CEO? The fact that we can't remember the ceo's that facilitated dozens of cars that we all absolutely hate, but fixate on one ceo that innovates and drives creative solutions and makes sure good products come to market because of his personality that happens to bleed nto public view seems inconsistent. Piech was pretty contemptible in his personal life and some business decisions, but we gloss over it because of his cars. The same should be here. That said, I hate tesla for introducing the "softwear update from a distance" that the big oem's are taking advantage of now. As well as the limits imposed on greater freedom by reduced range, temperature sensitivity, and infrastructure limitations that prevent ev's from going far off grid. Cleaner air is great, but lithium mining is really bad for our water and geography. Plus electricity ain't exactly free and we have serious infrastructure limitations in that regard already...rolling blackouts, anyone? Combustion is better for freedom...go more places, go further, go cheaper...for now. Eventually, the tech will get us there. Just stop forcing it on us.

[@rainsilent]

Yes. I hated Ferraris because Enzo. Still hate Ferraris because they stick to his ideology in regards to how it views and treats it customers. I still look down on the big three in the US because they can't get over themselves regardless of who is in charge and fall into the same financial issues every 20 or so years. The only cars from those companies that I don't look down at in some way are cars that have forced me to recognize them for some reason. It took Jason's video on the second Veyron to get me to not blanket hate all Veyrons simply because of the connection to Piech. Cars from a number of companies have to really do a lot to overcome my disdain for anything made by those companies because of the CEOs or how the company is run. That said as much as I don't like Piech I would take one very valuable lesson from him. Parts wise I would run my own hypothetical car company in the same way in that everything would be built to excellence and then trickle down to the cheap cars rather than the cheap cars using cheap parts. Just because I hold contempt for the man doesn't mean that I can't take valuable lessons from what he did successfully. It does me no favors ruining my own company because of my own ego.

[@Swapnil638]

I disagree with your politics but I appreciate your journalistic integrity for the field of your coverage despite your political viewpoints.

[@UNKNOWN_NICKEL]

Excuse me, when have they *ever* discussed politics? Jason and Derek specifically seek to not mention politics on the podcast. Stop pulling stuff out of your arse and qualifying/bringing politics into explicitly apolitical discourse.

[@Swapnil638]

@ Jason always makes a point to distance himself from Elon’s sociopolitical viewpoints, especially those of late. That should be clear to a regular listener. Again, I appreciate them keeping the discourse apolitical. I’m totally fine with them making a quick point that they don’t like or align with the company leader politically. They don’t go into the substance of the disagreement or misalignment. And the whole point of my comment was to be appreciative of Jason’s separation of his auto journalism and his extraneous viewpoints.

[@rainsilent]

@@UNKNOWN_NICKEL As pointed out above they have made their general view very clear if you can read between the lines as they have more than dropped hints. Just because they try to keep as far away from politics in their content as possible doesn't mean that they haven't dropped hints of their political opinions. Personally I agree with Jason in that you shouldn't force your world view on others, especially in the name of your own vanity which is what Elon has been doing more of. This is, at least partially, why Jason calls Elon what he does. That is as far as I will go with this because that is a political discussion and this isn't a political YT video.