The Best and Worst Cars of 2024 - The Carmudgeon Show w/ Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott - Ep 176

[@urbancliff]

I think bmw and tesla owners have a lot more in common then they realize and could reunite around the fact that both park sideway in handicap parking spots

[@brandonsever2576]

They also both enjoy presenting the brightness of the sun to oncoming traffic with their low-beam headlights!

[@ChronosWS]

Yes but will the BMW park _itself_ sideways in the handicapped spot?

[@brandonsever2576]

​@ChronosWS Maybe not, but Tesla's autopilot doesn't weave through traffic at 40 over like most BMW drivers, so it evens out

[@KC-hs7ku]

A lot of the drivers that created the mythos of the “BMW driver” are now Tesla owners

[@nickrulez809765]

Most Tesla drivers are Altima people with mediocre credit.

[@memememine1]

I think Jason’s analysis of some M car owners was spot on. Most of them genuinely don’t understand why their car isn’t the best. These people like cars but don’t really know anything about them. They get in their M cars step on the gas, feel acceleration and maybe jerk the wheel around hard on the highway. That is the extent of their interaction with their drivers car. I know many s55 and s58 owners who swear up and down their cars have zero or almost zero turbo lag. They genuinely drive around thinking their engines are responsive. They have never experienced an engine with response or a chassis with real steering feel and think the f82 was some high watermark in the history of performance cars.

[@TwoDollarGararge]

So there a one brand stan.

[@nicolasa.3192]

When you take a step back as an enthusiast you start to realize that this is actually most buyers of these cars. It's not really elitism, you just have to understand that most people are not actually pragmatic about cars or really anything in their life. The F80 and beyond M3's speak the right language to someone who just wants to do pulls and slide around like a jackass in an expensive sedan like the guys in NYC lane filtering videos do

[@TwoDollarGararge]

@nicolasa.3192 that's alot of cars not just BMW M cars they just want the vehicle to sound and feel exciting not a genre definer.

[@Nik-qh4mj]

Can you please give an example of cars that have "engine with response or a chassis with real steering feel" and that are not rare or really expensive?

[@bentucker2301]

Breathe

[@calicolin1]

All I want for Christmas is to see your van, Jynah

[@nicholasc1781]

I have done almost all of my lifetime driving on Arizonian tires. They are the discount tire store brand. I think they are made by cooper (?). My dad and I have had those put on every single car that we owned because we knew a guy that worked at the local discount. They are all I have ever known. Honestly, we kept coming back to them because we never had an issue. I have never had a tire failure that was not related to a foreign object, and even those failures never required the spare tire. I have never had them hydroplane on me unless the puddle was deeper than a couple of inches. This is while living in dead industrial towns in Michigan, where you could reasonably bottom your suspension out on an unfamiliar road with unfamiliar potholes. I was raised to be very frugal, and buying nicer tires has been something that just never computed with me until very recently. I realized that I was happily spending over $150 on decent tires for my motorcycle, while the car that I drive every day is riding on the absolute bottom of the barrel. I have never even driven a car that had snow tires. Suffice to say, I've been doing research on tires and I will be changing my ways sooner than later.

[@Bluestarr75]

1:04:52 if youre talking about small turbos, the Mazdaspeed protegé has Garret's smallest production ball bearing turbo at 7 lbs of boost

[@joespector1270]

15:46 “are you walking out too as part of this?” i love these carmudgeons

[@dBsdecibels]

Great year, you two! Enjoyed getting to glimpse it through the tiny screen!

[@johnhannibalsmith5386]

Merry Christmas Carmudgeons,

[@nightshifted]

Hey guys-love the annual wrap! Thank you! Jason-you’ve mentioned the fiberglass body making noise against the Elise chassis a number of times. I own four Lotuses on that chassis, have 80k miles on my Elise, and have never noticed that. Wonder if one of the clams was loose on your car? The lower rockers are bonded to the chassis, so any noise likely from the clams, which are all bolted on (and possible to be loose).

[@nicolasa.3192]

I really hope Jason does more videos on his cars with Jay, please talk to him about bringing the 308 and the 2.3-16 in! Theyre really lovely episodes, its my two favourite old car guys in one room EDIT: On being scared to drive old cars out and about for fear of dying, the best advice I can give Jason is to move out of the bay. I'm from Alberta and I genuinely almost constantly fear for my life when I am on the road within Calgary city limits. It is a night and day difference in the level of intelligence, courtesy, and patience people have on the road in the country and small towns. It's not perfect, but it is so much less scary for day to day driving

[@kjyu]

Since the new Throttle House Road Trip with old V12 cars dropped - E38 BMW 7-series and MB S-class W140 - Which of these would you choose now, and a future question, which one would you choose after the series ends (they said they will do slight mods on the way)? Love listening to you guys especially on Monday afternoon!

[@griffins750]

That’s an interesting question… If the E38 was a “Shorty sporty” rather than a LWB with a V12 I’d assume they’d both pick that since they’ve talked about how good it looks numerous times. But it isn’t a Shorty so that makes it a very interesting decision… I bet Jason would go for the W140 so he can put those crazy headers on it 😂

[@nickrulez809765]

W140. But the Century is the best V12 of that era by a wide margin.

[@leviathan5207]

By what metric? Surely not power, nor noise.

[@nickrulez809765]

@@leviathan5207 Build quality, longevity, and luxury.

[@griffins750]

@ Build quality and reliability. Which is saying something considering it’s being compared to prime Merc, but the Century is just one step further, basically a Rolls Royce with near Camry reliability.

[@JayPeezySLC]

I was so excited by your video about the id buzz, that I immediately looked at the vw website to build one for myself. Very fun car...but $60k is a little steep. Hope they can survive well enough to depreciate into a place in my driveway someday. Love your show and getting to drive vicariously through your experiences and anecdotes. Happy holidays and good luck in the new year!

[@cgmoog]

Their range is a little short and the vehicle a little long. VW bring over the short version as a five passenger. America needs a mini-minivan.

[@jono6379]

Eff the haters. I watch your videos for the seemingly unbiased nature of them. (Also the humour.) If the m3 is no longer good then someone needs to say it. And if an electric car isn't a boring whitegood then that needs to be said too. So happy holidays and im hoping you upset even more people next year😂

[@leviathan5207]

Eff? You mean fuck?

[@anthonygordon14]

Happy Christmas Jason and Derek. Luv Carmudgeon and look forward to many more episodes in 2025. Taking my Porsche 928 S4 to the Bathurst 12HR at end of January. 8th year of camping with the cars, great company and great racing :-).

[@michaelking6596]

Merry Mudgeon! 🎄 ... Derek yule-tide Scott and Jason Grinch C....

[@Saggy_G]

Derek Yule Hyphen Tide

[@misteralfredo]

Hey Jason! You mentioned the Mercedes turbo'd car. As an intersection of your two interests, there is a community of folks that turbo BMW m20 and m30 engines. Given you have access to many m20 cars, turbo-ing one of those would be quite the riot. It is quite the task to do everything standalone, of course, but there is hope: BMW made an m30 codename'd m102/m106 in the e23s (745i) which give you a stock option for turboing a car. From what I understand, it takes a very similar two-small-turbo, low-boost approach to powercurve. Things to consider as a drop-in to an e30!

[@DarkClosetOfTheMind]

Continental DWS is the best all season/weather tire, hands down. I run them on our Beetle, STi and Porsche 944 (that gets driven all year).

[@AllSpeed]

an affordable XL1 is what the world needs.

[@Vattiis_Happonnen]

Yes, please and thank you!

[@Buuster1999]

As another "Lord knows what" tire owner, they're great and can only recommend them!

[@SuperMcgenius]

My grandmother had a horse and carriage, it never needed an oil change or a wheel alignment😂

[@alkalinetaupehat]

Jason is Derek's Hyphe-man.

[@Valt3ralves]

Happy Holidays 🎉

[@davidraezer5937]

I came across Vredestein tires a couple years ago for my R129. I was so impressed with the quality and traction and pricing that I bought them for my other cars. I need to buy a set for my Citroen CX Turbo but I’m still torn on buying Michelins for that one.

[@Buuster1999]

What a wonderful combination of cars, hats off!

[@cgmoog]

Did Michelin still own Citroen when the CX Turbo was built (I think they still did but am not sure)? If so you have to go with Michelins.

[@michealfaulkner5612]

I had that Christmas tree in my house as a kid too! Found one not exactly like it but it fits the bill for now. Happy holidays!

[@jesiahdeibler7217]

For anyone just seeing this- the actual content starts around 13 minutes. *Jason, I love your material, but please cut the goofing and fluff.

[@Swapnil638]

I disagree with your politics but I appreciate your journalistic integrity for the field of your coverage despite your political viewpoints.

[@cegie7580]

Christmas episode just dropped!

[@MrBMW-ic8ur]

Still waiting on the Pontiac endurance test

[@cloudyview]

The ceramic Christmas tree - I have one of those too - bought it at Costco two years ago 😄

[@p00pie]

Who else is feeling exceedingly jolly and fulfilled?🎅🏻❤️☃️

[@drunkpolack7612]

Merry Christmas!

[@joshuathompson8474]

They don't make summer tires for anything less than 18" diameter, correct?

[@kens8903]

I really hope that y’all can get around to testing TVR’s now that they’re starting to become legal because of the 25 year old. I want to see your opinions on the sagaris

[@dmitryt9286]

My dad's Opel Omega Caravan 1988 came on Vreditens 😉

[@Chris21709]

Pat on the back, Jason! 🙂

[@rick-hm3ji]

As always, love this video (and all of the videos that you guys put out, either singly or together). One thing, and I'm not trying to offend, but could I suggest that Jason try and minimize the use of "umm"? It gets distracting. Please take this in the constructive criticism intent mode that it is offered. Happy Holidays.

[@arthurs7882]

Am I missing something? What about the dyno plot for that 300E turbo looks remotely naturally aspirated? I mean I suppose the horsepower curve does, but the torque curve is distinctly forced induction

[@martingardens]

Rent a room in Bolinas so you can do a Tam Jam and loop back through Pt. Reyes Station and Lucas Valley via Nicasio Lakes.

[@TwoDollarGararge]

Running vredsteain quadtrack pro's on my daily Focus ST excellent price to performance decent in all weather and are holding up well.

[@RewriteFutureHistory]

Hey jason, since you are in germany every so often i would like to invite you to my beat in lower Bavaria. I'm pretty sure you would love the Beat in the possibly best setting it could find itself. Derek, the invite does also apply to you. If you make it in time i will also probably still have a v12 car you guarenteed havent driven yet, that you can experience :)

[@randorandom]

Was really hoping Jason would turn his head to reveal his Santa cap actually said "Naugahyde"

[@SuperMcgenius]

Regarding all cars mechanically are the same, I would say the Citroen DS Is not in that group😅

[@philbegas]

I just put Hypertracs on my BRZ because it came on stupid Primacy summers. Debating putting a set of the Quatracs on my B5 passat since they're supposed to be snow rated.

[@technom3598]

They put eco tires on the Bez because it's more fun to have less grip.

[@Klarkash-Ton]

I used to be an annoying BMW fanboy, and now I don't even *like* any of the cars they make. It is a completely different brand from 15 years ago.

[@AllSpeed]

distracted driving crashes are too high to drive classics every day. mostly because of safety, not just damage.

[@pappaslivery]

Happy Honda days

[@Nightwalker86]

Vredestein, please, for the love of God- make the Sportrac 5s for the common 14in and 15in tire sizes, and sell them in North America and Europe. We have *nothing* for options. I have the Advan Flevas and trust me, they are barely a competitor. Please come dominate the Euro classics market with a de facto monopoly. I literally keep my E30 14in BBS original wheels in the basement, waiting for the day.

[@travertinepico751]

Is derek married, and did his partner keep their last name and do a double hyphen- I must know 😂

[@adriaanserrao2016]

I constantly am hoping he is Gay, he always posts Instagram stories with the same man, and they look cute and happy together.

[@DarkClosetOfTheMind]

I'm looking at the Car and Driver top 10 and I don't see Tesla...

[@colinkelley7807]

Plymouth Duster, Derek. Plymouth

[@TheM3pete]

Love the show watched so many episodes. Please 🙏 🙏 🙏 no political talk your show is great.

[@WelcomeToAir]

I do get the BMW hate but man… they’re at least trying. Definitely Not in cosmetics but the car is better than F8X. Maybe not on street but definitely on track. Yes it doesn’t have as good of steering and yes it’s quieter but the damn thing is a weapon. Last generation Jason complained of F8X having a soft front end, G8X has a spot on front end, Randy Pobst even confirmed. F8X also sounded like a chainsaw, G8X S58 has a proper I6 noise (if you do exhaust, and tbh stock is fine too…) idk, I’m not trying to be a BMW fanboy but I am a fan of the brand and their motorsports, I don’t even own one but man, it ain’t like Audi or Mercedes is building anything better… Cadillac is different ofc but we haven’t even brought in BMWs motorsport successes over the last couple years! They have direct links from Motorsport to road cars that almost no other Manufacturer has. Nothing personal ofc, it’s about the cars, not Jason!

[@JayPeezySLC]

Has anyone ever hated a ford or chevy...pick a brand, because of the CEO? The fact that we can't remember the ceo's that facilitated dozens of cars that we all absolutely hate, but fixate on one ceo that innovates and drives creative solutions and makes sure good products come to market because of his personality that happens to bleed nto public view seems inconsistent. Piech was pretty contemptible in his personal life and some business decisions, but we gloss over it because of his cars. The same should be here. That said, I hate tesla for introducing the "softwear update from a distance" that the big oem's are taking advantage of now. As well as the limits imposed on greater freedom by reduced range, temperature sensitivity, and infrastructure limitations that prevent ev's from going far off grid. Cleaner air is great, but lithium mining is really bad for our water and geography. Plus electricity ain't exactly free and we have serious infrastructure limitations in that regard already...rolling blackouts, anyone? Combustion is better for freedom...go more places, go further, go cheaper...for now. Eventually, the tech will get us there. Just stop forcing it on us.

[@Saggy_G]

Don't care how good they are, just sold my Model S. I won't drive around with that badge as long as that company's figurehead, as Jason put it, works there.

[@armyhobo2471]

Thank you for sharing your virtue signaling

[@adriaanserrao2016]

Him saying Hitler invented the beetle and VW, yes he did but he is not currently the head of the company! I hate the new M5, but I'm sorry id rather have a M3 over anything electric just because of the noise, a electric car shopper will never think about a M3 and a M3 buyer would rather walk than drive a Tesla.

[@Saggy_G]

@@armyhobo2471 voting with my wallet

[@griffins750]

@@adriaanserrao2016What noise? The inside of that car is so quiet they have to pump in fake engine sounds… Your essentially just listening to your car’s sound system which a Tesla also has. And with the money you save from buy the Tesla over the M3 you can go buy a used E36 M3 and get a proper drivers car.

[@adriaanserrao2016]

@griffins750 have you ever heard a G80 M3 with a good exhaust and carbon intake? It sounds amazing. I'm still a NA engine fan (E60 M5)but you cannot imitate that engine. Also tesla has the worst user interface of any car I've been in period, and being stubborn not adding android auto and apple Carplay is just petty as someone who drives multiple different cars a week i want to have all my information and Apps stay the same between all of them.

[@hamomamo9867]

Soo wrong, i will take any BMW over shitty tesla dishwasher

[@alexbarry2497]

I really like your episodes but holy that ad read makes me click off almost every time I watch an episode. Please get better at doing ad's cause they are painfully long and boring.

[@mikeye36m3]

Relax

[@tjseid]

Complaining about free things *yawn*

[@ethanallan1254]

Just skip it, it’s not that hard to just hit k a couple of times

[@eugenux]

what best cars in 2024?, unobtainium t.50?, 911 s/t?, carrera t?, nd3? I swear, car industry, post 2020, has transformed me into an all year Grinch!(that, or I am to poor for the lifestyle I want🫣)

[@leviathan5207]

Have you tried the used market yet? It's gotten worse too, but there are still a lot of great cars to be bought at reasonable prices.

[@Nik-qh4mj]

@@leviathan5207 any examples, because price of used market still not returned to pre-pandemic level (tough it has decreased)?

[@leviathan5207]

Depends entirely on what you want, now? I am looking at C207s currently. Either with the M272 or M276 V6. Good power, good comfort and clean early examples start at 15000€, which is barely more than a shitty Dacia Sandero. A mate of mine on the other hand has recently acquired an old S5 V8 manual in great condition fora measley 23000€.

[@TheZzziggy]

Hey, Jason, I'm trying to get in touch with you regarding some E30 stuff, but to no avail. Can I pls have you email or something?