The Biggest Challenges Facing DUNE Prophecy | New HBO TV Series

[@NerdCookies]

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[@kineticstar]

I feel like this will be the "Young and the Restless" for Dune casuals. Dune is about political drama and backstabbing in universal wide grudge matches. If you distilled it down to one faction, you'll lose the thing that makes the Landsrad intrigue so appealing.

[@johnbernhardtsen3008]

they were mentioned in the end of Dune Part 2 movie... "The great houses does not acknowledge your ascendency!"

[@londomolari5715]

Dune lore is a complicated beast. On the one hand you have the BH and KJA version, and on the other you have what the Dune Encyclopedia shows. The latter was specifically disavowed by the Herbert estate (BH KJA). You can get copies of the Dune Encyclopedia as a pdf file (700+ pages).

[@thatotherguy4245]

Brian Herbert would like you to forget that he has a father and think he created the Dune universe and therefore knows what is best for it

[@fakecubed]

It's a deeply intelligent, philosophical story, written for people who like to ponder big ideas. It's never going to appeal to normies without dumbing it down. George Lucas succeeded at doing it with his "Star Wars" adaptation. Denis Villeneuve sort of did it with his massive IMAX spectacle, which was still too confusing for most normies so he dumbed it down even more with Part 2. Who is going to tune in for it on the small screen? Only the serious, dedicated fans of the books. They'll drag their normie friends into it too, if it's actually good. But before the serious, dedicated fans even have a chance to do that, the show has to attract them enough to even give it a chance. Basing it on poorly-received fanfic, and then just wearing that fanfic as a skinsuit to push their own stories to make a fanfic of a fanfic, that doesn't attract me. I'm the biggest Dune fan I know, and I know for a fact I can get at least another 10 people I know to watch it, if it's good. When it comes to Dune, I have that level of influence and trust in my social circle. But I'm not even going to see the first episode unless I hear impossible levels of praise from the very few people I trust, after the first season has completely aired. And then it's just too late for me to drag those ten normies to see it. So I just don't see how this show can ever be a success. They already failed by basing it on the bad fanfic I couldn't even get through.

[@KenGold666]

@@fakecubed wait are you insinuating that Star Wars was plagiarized

[@fakecubed]

@@KenGold666 Plagiarized is a strong word. The similarities are obvious, though, and George Lucas acknowledges that Dune was a primary influence on Star Wars. He dumbed it down for theater audiences and combined it with Akira Kirosawa’s Hidden Fortress because he knew he was incapable of doing a proper Dune adaptation justice. If he could have, he would have made a Dune movie.

[@redtaperecorder1]

Biggest problem is this is not a Frank Herbert novel. Yes, Brian Herbert is his son, but it still reads like fan fiction when compared to the original source material. Like trying to add to a Lego set with Duplo blocks…

[@Ihavenoname711]

Brain really did not get it...

[@GreatGreebo]

I’m not a fan of the BH-KJA prequel novels. I also disagreed with many of their “interpretations” of events within Frank’s Duneiverse. I really hope the upcoming HBO adaptation isn’t just one, big member-berry mess (including set designs and costumes etc). Thank you *Nerd Cookies* for this useful update. Cheers

[@mikealexanderEE]

The Butlerian Jihad is frequently referenced in the "canonical" Frank Herbert books as a war against artificial intelligence and influences everything in the Dune universe. Even in the absence of the prequels and sequels, the Jihad's affects drive everything - the creation of the various Guilds, the technology of the Empire - and I can't see what good is going to come from changing a foundational aspect of the Dune universe. I'm just going to pass on this and hope for better in the future...

[@robertfrost1683]

WHEN YOU TRY TO PLEASE EVERYBODY, YOU PLEASE NOBODY

[@NotMyGumDropButtons.444]

I love the “real” voiceover, I mean, the other style was dope too, but like this feels better

[@kdog3908]

Unless the writers can nail...I mean REALLY nail this, I'm concerned it'll be 'Rings of Power' with a 'Dune' skin.

[@fakecubed]

Big red flag: The showrunner is another Bad Robot JJ Abrams acolyte, like the showrunners of Rings of Power, and the people who ruined Star Trek and Star Wars and so many other things now.

[@Demane69]

Why am I worried? Because writers today mostly appear devoid of talent. Much like artists, originality is a lost concept. It's copy, copy, warp original vision. Tags words like "fresh approach", and a "modern feel" are dangerous terms today. I have no faith in this show being good past the 1st season if even that. Writers tend to have a message to tell, rather than a story to tell. Ever since Westworld, I have skipped all shows until the 2nd season released. The decline is typically rampant, and I'm tired of wasting my time on false promises, gaslighting, and catfishing.

[@fakecubed]

Once again, it's Bad Robot JJ Abrams acolytes here to ruin another beloved genre IP.

[@Kleshumara]

The Brian Herbert expansion of the Dune universe is a true abomination. Ghastly.

[@pyroromancer]

this format is much more organic

[@Slumbert]

Gazillions murdered in heros name... and hero going into the desert.

[@carlosayala4697]

Good video cookie keep them coming love what you do 👌

[@fakecubed]

The biggest challenge as I see it is that the most dedicated of Dune fans are largely not that positive about the Brian Herbert books. If this series is going to draw in a lot of normies, who are increasingly tired of girlbosses, witches, and anything with the odor of woke agenda-driven Hollywood stories, the series will have to please those dedicated Dune fans like me who aren't even going to give this a chance. They have to attract people like me before I can be pleased by it, and before I can tell anyone to go watch it who would otherwise not even have this on their radar at all. Just by making this series based on what's regarded as bad, money-grab fanfic, rather than the core source material of Frank Herbert's six books (which has plenty of Bene Gesserit characters if they really need to fill those DEI quotas), it sends a big signal to nerdy Dune fans like me that the creators of the show aren't interested in pleasing actual fans, or doing any sort of faithful adaptation of Frank Herbert's universe. What it signals is that the creators want the freedom to tell their own story and just wear a skinsuit of a successful genre IP to try and fool people into giving them money to tell their stories. Sorry, but I don't know who these show creators are, or why I should care what stories they want to tell at all. If they were any good they would have made their own thing without wearing a skinsuit, I'd know who they are, and they'd be a draw on their own. In fact, looking up who showrunner Alison Schapker is, I see she's another one of JJ Abram's Bad Robot acolytes. *Huge* red flag. That alone is enough to make me want to skip this. This is going to be Rings of Power again. Serious Tolkien fans looked at it, hated it, and that absolutely kept away the normies too. Guess who made Rings of Power? More Bad Robot acolytes who never really accomplished anything of their own. JJ Abrams is like a cancer that metastasized, and now is eating away at every healthy genre IP in the entire Western canon. The only way that these big nerdy genre fiction stories get successful is if the serious nerdy fans are pleased. It was the serious nerdy comic book fans that dragged their normie friends to the MCU, and when those fans got betrayed the MCU immediately started losing lots of money at the box office because the normies stopped getting dragged to the movie theater by their nerdy friends. It was the serious nerdy fans of A Song of Ice and Fire that dragged their normie friends into Game of Thrones, and they were the same ones who dragged disappointed Game of Thrones normies back to House of the Dragon after Game of Thrones ended so poorly. There is only one working formula for this stuff. Every time they deviate, it's a disaster. Star Trek and Star Wars (Bad Robot again) also quickly went downhill because instead of pleasing serious fans of the IPs they just tried to tell their own stories wearing the skinsuit and rehashing a bunch of stuff with more garbage prequels. There was a time when there was a level of trust between the nerds and the studios. The studios cared about actually making money, so even though they always hated nerds, they at least recognized that nerds had (a lot of) money and would give the studios that money if the nerds were happy with what they studios were making. But the studios got greedy, thinking they could also get money from a larger audience at the same time by dumbing everything down and trying to broaden the appeal, and thought that the stupid nerds would just be grateful to have anything at all no matter how bad it was. Because nerds are stupid and gross and just like whatever slop they're fed, right? All that trust has now been squandered by these betrayals. Turns out nerds had enough of the bullying back in middle school, and won't put up with it as adults. Now, it is still possible to earn the trust back, like what happened with House of the Dragon, and, to an extent, Star Wars Andor. But it's an enormous uphill battle because so few of the dedicated fans are even giving new stuff a chance. First those fans that like something good have to convince all the other dedicated fans that they haven't taken leave of their senses, before those other dedicated fans will actually get dragged back in. And by the time that happens, the opportunity to drag in the normies is pretty much already gone, particularly with the very short seasons shows are produced in now, and with the studios dropping a lot of episodes at once so they can try to juice the numbers instead of going week-by-week. At best, the normies will show up for season 2, and that takes a lot more convincing because first those normies need to get caught up with season 1 or do a bunch of other homework. It's just so much more difficult to get the audience numbers at a level that makes the show a viable business venture.

[@andrewlim9345]

The showrunner and writers can play a role in determining the success of a show. For a show to succeed, it must appeal to both hard core and casual fans. Didn't realise that the Great Mothers from Ahsoka were modelled after the Bene Gesserit.

[@samwow24]

I like the idea of them using David Lynch’s maximalist over the top style for this prequel series. Villineuve’s minimalism is the eventual refinement of all those human systems and technology.

[@wesc6755]

I probably won't watch until I hear from people I trust that it won't drive me crazy. I'm not generally a purist as long as the result is good. But with Dune, I definitely am. Don't mess with it unless you know what you're doing. The Bene Gesserit really is the coolest concept in all of fiction. But I haven't seen evidence that they understand why. Even in the films, they gloss over Other Memory without really thinking it through or showing how central it is to everything that happens. "They have visions! Ooga booga" is about as far as it has gone so far. And if they don't nail that down, they'll kinda skip over what's cool about the universe in its entirety. They seem to want to reduce it to a GoT-like power intrigue with magic show. But I could be wrong. Fingers crossed.

[@fakecubed]

That's literally all of us Dune fans. And since none of us will watch until we hear from all others of us who aren't watching, this is going to flop pretty hard. Expect some desperate "if you don't watch this you're a sexist" marketing as we get closer to November. But literally all we've been waiting for is just some faithful adaptations to the Frank Herbert books, which have plenty of Bene Gesserit. But I assume they're too "problematic" in various ways. They'll sucker in the 10,000 or so people who watched Disney's The Acolyte, it'll get a bunch of social media engagement from people who aren't even watching it, and then it'll get canceled.

[@KokoRicky]

Feels like the show wants to play it safe rather than take risks, something that is trendy lately. I would be more interested in hearing that, after Dune Messiah, the next four books would be adapted by various directors.

[@michaelnorman4476]

1) Really love the non-scripted videos you’ve been doing lately. 2) I have high hopes for the series. And I’ve been looking forward to it. I am just desperately hoping that they don’t ruin the series. It’s such a delicate balance. 3) For me personally, I’m not “Witch’ed” out. I stopped watching the Acolyte because of the destruction of established Star Wars lore that they were doing with the witches / Nightsisters. I was disappointed because I had high hopes for that as well and wanted to see that explored more.

[@abcun17]

The fact that Denis Villeneuve is not involved with series actually gives me some hope that it may actually be good. We'll see...

[@chocolatemonk]

If we get something that feels like the Dinner on Arrakis before the invasion with the Smugglers and Water Barons in Herbert's Dune then we will have a win. I like Kevin J Anderson's SW stuff but if we get instead the feel of the Brian Herbert books it will be the most average thing and fail. Also see Foundation on not what to do as well

[@MajusFederation]

Would still like a Remaster of Emperor Battle for Dune and see the Non Canon House Ordos brought to the modern day.

[@samwow24]

FilmComicsExplained has an incredible breakdown of the Machine Crusade, The Butlerian Jihad.

[@sonnyd.6777]

Don't tell us Dune will go Acolyte! Please!!

[@fakecubed]

It's gonna be more like Rings of Power. But everyone will compare it to Acolyte, which is why nobody's going to even show up to watch it to find out that it's Rings of Power.

[@agesflow6815]

Thank you, Nerd Cookies.

[@MickyChowMein69]

Yeah they should try a new style to tell the story. The Butlerian jihad was about how technology was used, and not the technology itself. Worrying that they haven't grasped such a basic concept. It depends with the witch thing. I don't mind them as long as they are done right. Warhammer calls psykers, witches so there wil be that word again in that universe. lol. *does-wicked-witch-cackle*

[@dravendarkmatter]

I really would love to see something focused and internal for a Bene Gesserit show rather than having the pressure to be something grand and sweeping like Villeneuve's style. I definitely wish they would have built a different style language with the filmmaking and costuming, something that gave them more creative freedom and a bold take. What I love about the Bene Gesserit is this idea of training and mastering oneself and the internal experience of that. I'd love to feel very close with a character going through her initiation, training and rites. The claustrophobia of that, the pressure, the relationship with what is essentially sex work. I feel like focusing on the Bene Gesserit has to do with THE BODY and I'd love to see influences of things like Butoh and the various dance and body mastery forms that deal with internal experiences. There's something with the grand sweeping imagery in empty spaces that makes me feel so disconnected with the bodies of the actors and I have always imagined what it would be like to train as a Bene Gesserit, to learn the rules. And I think there's just something that needs to be really tactile about that. Watching the trailer makes me feel like there's sort of a cut-and-past Villeneuve thing, even in the acting style. And I think I just want to see the visual aliveness, sexual nature and control of their own bodies being the foundation to what they're able to accomplish throughout the imperium. I think of body horror a bit when I think of the Bene Gesserit---sexy and weird body horror. I dunno. I feel like so many of the witches we see in these shows are style over substance and it would be rad as hell to get people with occult interests to lay the juicy and gritty foundations that it takes to be an actual occultist/witch/yogini---I think the witch is a genre of person who, in media, has become style reference over experience-from-the-inside. I want to feel viscerally from a Bene Gesserit experience. And I hope I get it!! Maybe I will. But the images have this distance, sparseness and coldness. And that's a shame.

[@TitoVespasianus]

I want to see the weirding way!

[@rickybev3078]

They will ruin it. It will look like the CW and feel like a struggle session.

[@robertfrost1683]

Hollywood is weraring us out with " Rebranding" and " Reusing". No Longer creative.

[@NameNotAChannel]

After I found out how BH and KJA interpreted the machine war, I had no interest in ANYTHING they had to write. If they got that FUNDAMENTAL event wrong, nothing else they created could fit with the universe FH created. It's all bad fan fiction, telling their own stories, not FH's. They did the same thing S8 of GoT did, claiming they had notes, but creating something that belies that claim. Personally, I don't want to pollute my brain's understanding of the FH Dune universe with the obviously not-true-to-FH events that will be depicted in this series (and the Dune survival game as well... that just rubs me the wrong way... people don't understand Paul Atreides at all.)

[@docstandupphilosopher3529]

10,000 years before Paul Atreides, yet same culture, same tech, same clothing, same conflicts.... either bad writing or just lazy production.

[@cameronleaney7860]

Thanks

[@josephlamonica4167]

Will we end up getting the Rings of Dune. Just make stuff up :P

[@caldos1213]

I find it interesting that it's two Harkonan women who founded or helped with the founding of the order. I want to see the difference between these Harkonan and the ones 10,000 years later.

[@craigwhitley1529]

They're already trying to redeem the family name at this point because Xavier Harkonnen was branded a traitor in the key battle or one of the key battles against the thinking machines and while his friend, Vorian Atreides knew the truth of what he had done, they are seeking revenge, because they didn't feel like he did what he should do to clear the family's name... So while being part of founding the order, they are also seeking revenge on the Atreides family in the novels this will be pulling from

[@caldos1213]

@@craigwhitley1529 thanks for that info. Much appreciated, I didn't read all of the books.

[@fakecubed]

On the contrary, I find it very uninteresting. Hollywood telling stories about how the bad people aren't really the bad people, and the only thing that really matters is women wielding power because they believe enough in themselves, at this point is so incredibly cliche I am falling asleep just thinking about it. Be right back after I get a coffee. Okay, I'm back. So yeah, Hollywood deep down knows that they are evil. That's why every story they tell now is about how evil people are really just misunderstood. They've only done bad things because of external forces, not their own choices to do bad things. It's just cover for their own evil. Maybe it's a way of coping with their guilt. Maybe they're just possessed by demons and are trying to lead people astray. You know what would be interesting? What would be really ballsy? Tell a nice black-and-white good-defeats-evil story like the good old days back when culture was actually still capable of producing new IPs instead of making prequels that try to convince people that morality doesn't exist. Tell a story with some actual heroism and inspiration in it. And yes, I'm aware that's probably not going to be possible in the Dune universe. That's okay. I'm tired of my beloved IPs being worn as a skinsuit by evil corporations trying to trick me into giving them my money anyway. And the wahman thing. Big yawnfest there. We used to have good stories about women, some that appealed to women and some that even appealed to men. And those stories, the good ones, were about women who actually had serious flaws, overcame them, and accomplished things after learning hard lessons and growing and becoming better people. You know, like human beings. But to Hollywood today, that sounds terrible. That sounds like wahmen in real life might actually also have flaws sometimes, and need to learn and grow and become better. That's wrongthink. That's literally oppression. That's literally murder. So instead, wahmen are just perfect already just the way they are. It's society that's wrong, it's those external forces again, keeping them down, and holding them back. But through the power of self-love they can find that they are actually the most powerful thing in the world already, a wahmen. Sound familiar? Because it does to me. Sounds like literally every film and TV show out of Hollywood for a decade or more. Why would that be interesting? No thanks. I need another cup of coffee.

[@14bis42]

Fans worried ? I watched the first movie just ONCE . Never had any desire to see the second part , and totally ignoring the third one . No thanks . I will read the book , again , or watch the 80's movie .... again ..............

[@AsttoScott]

Second was shit compared to the first.

[@fakecubed]

I wish Part 2 hadn't gotten made. I'd be upset, but not as upset as I am now having seen Part 2 get butchered.

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

Check out the art for the Dune CCG, it's great

[@thesean3194]

I have a feeling this will crash and burn. Hope not, but I don’t have a lot of faith that this will connect with anyone especially the fans of the books and lore.

[@fakecubed]

I think it will crash and burn, and then they'll learn the wrong lesson from it. But that's not new. If it somehow succeeds, they'll learn the wrong lesson from that outcome as well.

[@GianmarioScotti]

Brilliantly said, and so tragically true. ​@@fakecubed

[@Elfimis111]

The biggest challenge facing Dune Prophecy is that it's based on BH AND KJA's garbage. I do have high hopes for this show though and will 100% watch it lol.

[@nhlcbj]

Speaking of Brian and Anderson, let’s say hypothetically they keep making adaptations of all the mainline Dune books. How do you think fans will react when they get to the last two books Brian and Anderson worked on that closed out the story? I can’t see it being GOT s8 bad, but not great either :/

[@fakecubed]

Denis Villeneuve only wants to do Dune Messiah, and then stop. He's got no interest in Children of Dune or beyond. I think I understand why, now, too, after Dune Part 2. He just didn't understand the books beyond a surface level. Without him making more movies, I don't think more movies will get made. And it's not going to be easy to just pick up with Children of Dune as season 1 of a TV show, nor will the studio want to adapt the first two books as a TV show so soon after the movies. The way they're doing this was completely backwards, and has really painted them into a corner. We need to wait another 10+ years after Dune Part 3 comes out before we get a proper TV adaptation. If it happens, and I will be holding out hope until the day I die, I can only hope that they only do six seasons, just the Frank Herbert books, and ignore the other stuff completely.

[@nhlcbj]

@@fakecubed can’t argue with that. Im cautiously optimistic/skeptical because WB has a bad habit of not leaving well enough alone. The Harry Potter series has no reason to exist outside brand recognition. It probably won’t happen but a dream idea would be to adapt the rest of Frank’s books in an animated series. I think the team behind Arcane could do wonders with that material. But whatever happens happens.

[@fakecubed]

@@nhlcbj I'm not even a little bit a Harry Potter fan, but from what I hear from Harry Potter fans the movies really messed a lot of things up and they're hoping the series will be a more faithful adaptation of the books, made possible by a longer runtime. I'm wishing them well. Heard some weird stuff about the casting call, though. I hadn't considered an animated series for Dune, but that's a really interesting idea. Been watching a lot of anime recently, as Japan at least still likes to tell good stories well. So I've been getting a greater appreciation for the medium. Animation might make the fourth book actually kind of possible to put on screen. Also wouldn't have to worry about the ages of the voice actors, a definite problem with live action. They could actually do new seasons every year, and keep up the momentum. And the X-rated stuff in the books also wouldn't be quite so extreme and shocking if it was cartoons, they could get away with more. And because an animated series would seem different enough, maybe the (bad) instinct from the studio to not adapt the first two books in TV form wouldn't really be so strong. Could make a total break from the visual style of Denis Villeneuve, which is much too bleak for my taste. I actually really loved the costuming in the SciFi Channel miniseries, particularly the first one, it was eccentric, but fun, and certainly believable as distant-future fashion for people of planet-scale wealth. Yeah, I _really_ like this idea. Do an animated reboot, make a clean break from the Denisverse, with a talented studio and long-form storytelling. Brilliant.

[@ericpowell4350]

By NOT following the novel, I suspect this will be another DOA woke dumpster fire. It'll be canceled after the first season.

[@jpistolas]

I'm tired of witches done poorly or just silly. I'll never get tired of the Bene Jesuit.

[@nobilismaximus]

Folk will call it for shit, others will say its excellent, 1984 was very divisive, but i still love it. The prequels are fine, and more readable than the last 3 of FH’s…

[@Mr.SharkTooth-zc8rm]

It's PROBABLY going to be the perfect adaptation for "modern" audiences... 🤣

[@fakecubed]

I'm looking forward to hearing how much of a sexist I am for not watching it, while I continue to scream and shout that I want to see Dune books 4-6 adapted faithfully.

[@grahamjones5400]

By the time PROPHECY comes out Denis Villanueva will already be retired from filmmaking

[@williameftekhari3950]

I guess I fall into the group that likes the expanded universe of Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson over Frank Herbert's original works. I like the universe Frank Herbert created, but I felt it was unbalanced. Except of Duke Leto and a few others, every major character in the original series was a jerk. Also, Frank Herbert did what J. J. Abrams would do later with Lost, and just have these 'black boxes' where thing happen and there is no explanation as to why, just people reacting to it. It leaves the audience wondering and guess what's in the black box, almost a cop out by the creator. At least Brian and Kevin created a plausible a to b progression.

[@nicksmacro]

Everything has to be a collosal cash grab these days. I'll watch it, I'll probably like it, but I miss the days when creators respected the fan base.

[@fakecubed]

Those days won't return if you keep watching whatever slop is put on the plate in front of you. There is a lifetime's worth of old movies and TV shows to entertain you, that were actually good. Why would you encourage the studios to make things worse?

[@RJ420NL]

They don't have little Timmy Soy Boy, which is a positive. If they can avoid smearing it with modern HollyWeird's agenda and instead tell a good story, it might be ok. But I've learned over the past decade to be highly skeptical of everything that comes out. Expect it will be bad and maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[@rickbase833]

There's not an apathy toward female led shows, IMO. There's an apathy towards bad writing and production and showrunners inserting themselves into the show. The Acolyte was a clear example of the three things I mentioned.

[@fakecubed]

People automatically assume and become apathetic, though. Humans brains are pattern-recognition devices. The show needs to attract the serious Dune fans, please those Dune fans, and then those fans will drag in lots of normies, at which point the show will become a viable business venture. This show has already failed at step one. It's not going to get to step three.

[@rickbase833]

@fakecubed As a long time Dune fan I'll give this show a watch because it's what we fans do. Since it's probably getting 8 episodes......fans will know quickly if it's any good.

[@fakecubed]

@@rickbase833 Smart fans demand quality, not quantity.

[@caldos1213]

Love your channel, thank you.

[@generaltso5592]

The benegesserit lore seems like catnip for woke feminist. If they picked the wrong person to helm this project it could pretty easily turn into star wars acolyte.

[@paulmurany6661]

Yes...love Dune and Frank Herbert 's works but am not too enthusiastic about another women witch show. It's become a cliche and a tired, unimaginative idea

[@Unknown31212]

The show looks so good, if the writing is bad ill watch it on mute and make up my own storylines, im tired of the hurt

[@DjRenect]

I think we’ll know pretty quickly if this is more shitty space witches or if it’s good. What I want to know is if it’s canon to Danny’s movies. If not, I’m happy to skip it if it’s shit.

[@fakecubed]

Denis Villeneuve hasn't even heard of this show.

[@jbtechcon7434]

Has there been one example of TV series based on a novel that wasn't a complete disappointment?

[@Slumbert]

I Claudius

[@fakecubed]

House of the Dragon has been pretty good (so far). Only minor quibbles really, basically caused by the strikes and the studio cutting the season short in season 2.

[@danelamoreaux4166]

I'll reserve judgements until I see it. However,it sounds and looks good. I hope it is.

[@chewface]

I never read any Dune novels outside the original 8 book arc (with the last two written by his son). All I want...more than anything....is more exploration of genetic memories. They could potentially do ANYTHING. Sisterhood tapping into genetic memories from women who lived in 2024. Women who lived in the Dark Ages. Women who knew Jesus Christ. Or...blow everyone's mind...and go back to Adam and Eve. The first ancestor. The origin of all genetic memories.

[@gerardojg]

I'm eager for this show and , like you, I have some reservations. The "witch or coven of witches" is a very common trope in literature, tv, and movies. All these productions are not done in a vacuum. Social media and creative networks with their critics does make a very small world. IMO, it's the story that makes or breaks any and all productions not the tropes or devices employed.

[@londonarbuckle8601]

If they keep the identity activists out of the writing staff then it’ll be OK

[@jasonharrison5765]

YAWN. Do you want your mommy to tuck you in ya ❄️🤣😘

[@tomalexander4327]

What is an identity activist?

[@RodrickMarsMoon]

​@@tomalexander4327 The mere concept of having women, black people and LGBT+ people at all in a story. Which is ironic, since the series is about the origin of a SISTERhood.

[@Dularr]

​@@tomalexander4327 all they want to do is write about their politics. They don't care about characters or story.

[@fakecubed]

The showrunner is another Bad Robot JJ Abrams acolyte.

[@jlw9113]

I think the bad impressions are because they sucked. hopefully this won't and won't preach a message for modern audiences.

[@kenaustinardenol1338]

I stand by my previous opinion that they had a marvellous amount of material and storyline if they had adapted the story of Vian Atreides. With his lifespan alone and the crucial events he lived through, you had a perfect prequel for Dune, including the start of the Harkonnen-Atreides feud, and including the origins of the Bene Gesserit. I really think they missed a golden opportunity for several highly interesting era's of how the Universe eventually ended up with Paul Atreides

[@theunknown1426]

Mark my words this will be… “modern day WOKE nonsense”

[@tomslade3365]

The big challange is to get more than one siries out who evers making it ...... I real don;t over invest in these products shame becouse the Dune vers is a rich world we have not seen much of it guild/talazux etc

[@thecaptainsarse]

Is the thumbnail picture from the show? Is that a Bene Geserit? If so, that’s going to be one of the biggest fails. Casting. Just like LOTR on Amazon…bad casting . In addition to bad storytelling and bad writing and NO respect for the lore..I don’t trust it. I hope I’m wrong.

[@Malefleur]

This would be the F.H. version of Amazon's TRASH-WOKE Lord of the Rings....TRASH, TRASH, TRASH!!

[@fakecubed]

Dune fans need to stand firm and reject this, just like Tolkien fans rejected Rings of Power. If we don't push back, and stand firm, Dune will just be destroyed the way Star Wars and Star Trek and so many other great IPs have been destroyed.

[@Malefleur]

@@fakecubed YES!

[@dongraf1222]

Gotta tell ya. Just saw the new trailer. It looks super boring. Lots of pensive looks seems to be the theme. Meh. Give me conflict, survival, and impossible odds.

[@chadbombadil2895]

So they are not going to follow the books and make up a lot of stuff? That's usually a recipe for shite

[@fakecubed]

It's another Bad Robot JJ Abrams acolyte wearing a beloved IP with a fanbase as a skinsuit to tell their own stories because nobody would watch anything they'd try to make otherwise.

[@lloroshastar6347]

fans are worried? Fans were worried about the last two Dune movies, fans are always worried, that's all fans do is worry

[@fakecubed]

I wasn't that worried about the movies. After Part 2, I became worried about Part 3,. since Denis Villeneuve fucked up the timeline and painted himself into a bunch of corners that will require massive changes to the story going forward. Not to mention the way he screwed up major characters in Part 2, and completely misunderstood the first book's story. But just from a filmmaking and storytelling perspective, he created a lot of unnecessary problems for himself in Part 3 by making unnecessary changes in Part 2.

[@JezzaBondiBeach]

Hyped for this show… need my Dune fix after watching Dune Part 2 over 100 times. So good 🐛 🏄🏼‍♂️

[@shanenolan5625]

Thanks Elaine

[@anydaynow01]

I kind of like what BH/KJA did with the man vs machine war and the cymeks sort of caught in the middle. There are things I thought were bleh, like the whole "Helen of Troy" bit, I know the story went a bit deeper but not by much. What they did with Norma Cenva was quite good though, the only story I like better than hers is the God Emperor's and maybe Paul's or Erasmus'. I can understand how folks hate them, I think they should have learned to write before they tackled BH's work (which BH himself changed), but as a whole I think they did fine.

[@qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5]

The biggest challenge? No Zendaya and Timothee, so no zoomer fans will watch the show

[@Slumbert]

Really, good news, hate those actors in Dune.

[@austinguthrie5528]

Zendaya really shouldn't have been Chani, even with the direction chosen for her character, I think it could've been better with someone else. Timothee himself, I don't really care for, but the boy can act, did ridiculously well in Dune pt. 2

[@track1949]

Who cares? The remaining Boomers are the ones who made Dune what it is back in the 70s.

[@DylonCorp]

Nothing beats boomers whining that younger people are enjoying things

[@fakecubed]

@@DylonCorp Except younger people aren't enjoying things. They don't actually show up. They have all pretty much checked out of traditional media. Too busy with Twitch and TikTok. Trying to appeal to them is a mistake. The only viable market right now is nostalgia bait for Millennials and Gen Xers.

[@anydaynow01]

Emily Watson and Travis Fimmel in the series has me pumped by the way, hopefully the script doesn't waste their talents, thankfully Disney doesn't have a hand in this! As far as "The Witches" story, their lore and the hatred towards them, that has gone back way before Dune though. I think the current vitriol towards the recent interpretations has more to do with the presentation than anything else (the anti-woke thing is loosing steam). The Acolyte story and casting/acting was absolutely terrible while the Witches of Dathomir (Nightsisters) in TCW and even Ahsoka were presented in a much better manner, while they are very good kids' shows worth watching, they could only go so deep into the lore with the allotted time and prime audience as a result. It really just comes down to how good the story telling and acting is. Like Melisandre and the Red Priests had a pretty good reception, or even better, Alys Rivers in HoTD, so I hope they follow those examples and not TA interpretation. AHS is another that just came to mind that's hit or miss in terms of presenting covens. As a side note I hope they avoid the CW editing filter a lot of series like TA, RoP and WoT seem to have going. Like the scenes that look the best in RoP are the orc and dwarf scenes, whoever is doing the Elven and Númenórean scenes needs to figure out how to shoot them with a more "lived in" filter. The costumes and backdrops look good but cheap at the same time in those series.

[@fakecubed]

Delusional take.

[@superhandymanservice9413]

Brian Herbert seems like a dopey writer. He's trying to continue the writings of his dad and making a bit of coin at the same time. He lacks finesse and knowledge though. . . he's grasping at straws and his storytelling skills stink. This series will most likely stink too.

[@factcheck2]

I think Dune is different. The witches in dune are integral to the story, not grafted on later.

[@Jedi_Mind_]

Many of these so-called “Dune“ fans that you say aren’t crazy about the prequel novels haven’t even read them, and when they have they fail miserably to convince me that these stories are not as good as or much worse than the originals . the prequel‘s stand head and shoulders over many of these other franchises that you guys go crazy over ( BS Galactica , terminator , SG one )They obviously don’t understand the full extent of their contribution because Brian and Kevin didn’t just write prequel novels they also finished the original Dune series. I challenge you to make a video detailing everything you don’t like about the legends trilogy and the schools trilogy or The prelude trilogy and by the end of it you will see that those 9 novels alone are just as good as if not better than any science-fiction franchise that you’ve covered on your channel and more, I don’t care whether it’s Stargate, Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, Star trek, Star Wars, etc. ( i’m not crazy about the Caladan trilogy but I don’t hate it either ) The legends and schools trilogy can go ahead to head with the best of them particularly when you’re talking about main stream appeal in a primetime television format because Brian and Kevin‘s novels have more of a “space opera“ feel to them then the more boring dry prose found in the original dune 1965 and therefore would have wider appeal, its just not giving its credit because it’s constantly being compared to the original book but if it were its own franchise apart from The dune lore you wouldn’t hesitate to have videos praising it on your channel because it’s just as good as all these other franchises you cover. You know it’s because of the unrelenting criticism of close minded fanatics that discourage guys like Brian and Kevin from writing more and then they hand the reins over to the “woke DEI Girlboss progressive“ types that you hate even more, it’s the same thing with the Star Wars prequels , you guys hated on it so much that you convinced George he wasn’t capable of telling his own story so he turns around and gives it to Disney and only then do you see how good you had it. I don’t particularly mind that they’re starting out with “sisterhood of dune“ as an entryway because it is the start of a good trilogy, I concur with you though that I think they’re just trying to capitalize off of the woman focused story of that particular book instead of doing what I would’ve done, which is to go back to the “Butlerian jihad“ and start all the way at the beginning. You can’t possibly expect me to think that the “dune encyclopedia“ had a superior back story to the events in the Duniverse, having Erasmus discover a young Gilbertus Albans and raise him to be a mentat and administer the life extension treatment and eventually found the Academy is far better than having some random dude come out of nowhere and start the school as it was detailed in the encyclopedia, so I mean seriously don’t Brian and Kevin get any credit from you at all ?? Many of these prequel critics claim that the books are just a cash grab, ( which still doesn’t tell you about the quality of the books) you really should read “the dreamer of Dune“ which is a biography of Frank Herbert and you will see how strapped for cash he was while He was trying to pay child support for his first kid and then form his marriage and raise his two sons in Mexico while struggling with a malfunctioning car and other problems and you will see how he was just as eager to grab cash as any other starving writer, but that alone doesn’t make his books bad You guys also like to throw a round the term “fanfiction“ because you think that will do the arguing for you, but it doesn’t because fan fiction is a wide spectrum with really good stuff on one end, terrible stuff on the other and a whole array of in between in the middle, and simply calling it fanfiction or derivative doesn’t settle it. I have never felt that Star Wars was just “Dune fan fiction“ ( which is what a lot of you dune fanatix claim)because there are many other elements that Lucas pulled from, for argument sake even if it was it’s still surpasses dune 1965 in many ways which is why it’s so much more popular to this day. And if you read the Frank Herbert biography you will realize that Frank spent years studying various fields of academia and pulling from literature as well in order to derive his story “dune 1965“ I don’t have time to go into all of them but just look at Isaac Asimov’s foundation series for starters, it’s idea of the galactic Empire was pulled from by Frank, But the thing is issac himself says he derived the idea from the Roman empire in Books he studied on it so everything is derivative at some point, including dune 1965 but that doesn’t make it bad in and of itself. You act like the book jumped out of Frank’s head fully formed and perfect, mah’di You said Dune should bring in new authors for the expanded universe like Star Wars did, that wouldn’t work for two reasons 1. The vast majority of expanded universe content in the Star Wars legends material deviates from the source material so much that even George Lucas barely considers it “authentic Star Wars“ . I’m not saying it isn’t good because I grew up reading the novels ( I Jedi - Michael Stackpole)playing the video games ( dark forces two: Jedi knight) collecting the comics ( tales of the Jedi) listening to the audio dramas ( dark empire) etc. but much of this could’ve just as easily been a part of any other sci-fi military history fantasy genre. The XWing novels are just military fiction, The bounty hunter/smuggler novels are just cowboy westerns/gangster novels, The thrawn novels are strategic wargames and many books like “cloak of deception“ or political thrillers and I just don’t see a one to one analogy that is consistent with the scope in the dune universe, cuz while all those elements are there they play a small role compared to the grand themes that make the dune universe so compelling in the first place. And I just don’t see how bringing in new authors are going to make it that much better than Brian and Kevin have already done, they have expanded on all of the themes that Frank left unfinished and added to it. Can you name a writer or a content creator that you think could add more lore to the universe and do it that much better than Brian and Kevin? 2. The second point is consistency, and the Star Wars expanded universe has a terrible consistency problem. Just look at the three-year period that we called “ clone wars“ and all of the content that’s been released on it since “episode two“ hit theaters back in the early 2000s. The game cube game, The original comic book series, The 2d animated show, The series of novels that got kicked off with mace windu shatter point, The 3-D show, The Disney era comic book reboot, The Republic commando video game, The Karen Travis Republic commando novels, none of this material is consistent with each other and it’s just a three-year period. The original Star Wars legends timeline stretches for 25,000 years, from the dawn of the Jedi comic book series all the way to the Star Wars legacy series which features cade skywalker, so you can criticize Brian and Kevin all you want but having the lore in control of them to help keep it very consistent The fact of the matter is the original dune novels by Frank aren’t as well written as many of you guys make them out to be , while it is conceptually interesting the technical execution of it leaves a lot to be desired and quite frankly Brians books excel in this particular regard . I don’t have time to go into details here but I would encourage you to go to “deaf sparrow“ which is a site that gives a rather scathing review of the first 3 dune novels and explains the sentiments I feel about it , Of course that’s if you’re interested in hearing constructive criticism of the original Dune , many of you regard it as as the “orange catholic Bible“ and Frank is your Mahdi

[@wonderduff]

FH fans are never happy. Can't we all just be happy money is pouring into the best Sci-Fi universe ever created, and in our lifetime? "Dune Fandom in general, they are not really fond of the prequal novels" - Says who? The loudest FH fans who continue to complain and complain and complain? You guys are the people getting angry about self checkouts. Move on!

[@fakecubed]

We're loud because we're the majority. We're talking in unison and there's a lot of us. No, we can not all just be happy money is pouring into something we like. Not everything needs to be infinitely expanded so some corporate executives can make some more millions. It's okay to not have sequels or prequels to things. It's okay to just have something good, instead of diluting it with shit. You really think Star Wars fans are happier now that there's more Star Wars than ever before? You think Star Trek fans are happier now that there's all these new shows? You think Tolkien fans are happy that Rings of Power got made? Every time something bad gets made in a beloved IP, and it fails because of that, it lessens the chances of anything good ever getting made in that IP ever again. It tears fandoms apart so that there's fewer of us to talk about our beloved IPs, and those discussions become more and more contentious and negative. It becomes harder and harder to share that beloved IP with new people. An all-you-can-eat buffet isn't just automatically a good thing, because there's a large quantity of rotten disgusting food that's going to make me sick. Quality matters.

[@NotMyGumDropButtons.444]

The more witches THE BETTER

[@noturmum7967]

Used to respect your channel alot But seeing the blatant media literacy and grifter Bait regarding Rings of Power is so sad to see Unsubscribing but hope you enjoy your accumulated demographic

[@fakecubed]

Ahahahahahahaha!