The British Get Another Suffer Mobile (Shocking)

[@Frosty_43]

Defyn is almost complete in his transformation into sounding like a 40 year old divorced dad

[@kingghidorah8106]

too much ball draining.

[@yamatokurusaki5790]

How it feels to play war thunder

[@andre232323]

He probably feels like me.The better missiles get, the least fun the game becomes.

[@justfly7730]

Yeah he talks and sounds like me

[@absboodoo]

War Thunder is such an abusive wife that does it to all of us.

[@DEFYN]

The Tornado F.3 Late has 2 redeeming qualities. It has AIM-120s and it turns so badly you don't need to buy expert crews.

[@DanishaKojou]

no way, u are flying this sht

[@errornamenotfound2513]

Im surprised people call F4F ICE "The Worst Top tier aircraft in the game" when this shit exists

[@ARZstuff]

how many screens did you broke playing this?

[@SAyGOoDByEToOldLIfE]

I'll remember to let you know the next time you "forogt" to mention something. Keep up the entertaining and educational content Defyn.

[@ricardohumildebrabo]

why are you samefagging

[@Hazey652]

A plane so ass it made you physically sick irl, now THATS a powerful plane.

[@incognito3678]

So bad that starts to inject sadness into your soul

[@dreenarmookington2240]

​@@incognito3678 Gaijin's power is becoming too strong

[@robertgaudet7407]

@@dreenarmookington2240We have snailed too greedily and too deep.

[@defus6590]

fun fact with the full game - when the f16 missiled you, he basically tore you apart. since you rearmed before you fixed your wings, you got 7 missiles instead of 8. gaijin took a aim9m as a even further punishment for flying this plane. man that hurts

[@Metagross555]

all he had to do was leave the plane and just go back in, he just didnt notice

[@paint4r]

Wow, this plane is so bad defyn couldn't even use his special helicopter technique where after he gets hit by a missile and enters a flatspin he spins the plane fast enough to generate lift and flies back to the airfield

[@Ace_Jambo]

Bro! You completely forgot about the best feature! Reversed thrusters! You can reverse out the battle upon realizing what you've accidentally spawned in.

[@MegaJani]

Lmao best use of it yet

[@silverfortytwo9506]

don't forget you have thrust reversal for landing

[@noahknigsfeldt514]

Was gonna say this

[@StealthCloudchaser]

Imagine flying a tornado and not knowing it has one of the most effective features to stop instantly on the runway, I have seen so many people crashing at the end of a runway because they have no idea it has that feature.

[@robertgaudet7407]

@@StealthCloudchaserI bound thrust reversal and am so used to being told I don’t have it. It’s on ‘h’ and the airbrake is ‘ctrl-h’.

[@EricThyKaiser]

DEFYN: Says he won't play the Tornado F3 Late and Harrier FA2 Also DEFYN: *Proceeds to play it a week later*

[@ukoctane3337]

Gaijin literally admitted this plane's FM was completely binned a year ago and they still haven't fixed it lol.

[@TakenWithout]

and they probably wont for another several years as not being a US jet it doesnt have a very vocal group bitching about it not being the perfect plane (a la F-15C). Its at a point where british mains are so used to getting gimped shite that they just accept it

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@TakenWithout Just like germany (air side). Top tier is junk. Then it get something good (mig29g/grippen). Then right back to junk again.

[@h.a8681]

US jets get their 15g UFO flight models while British planes for some reason get the most conservative flight models possible The British vehicle community on the forums probably bug report the most out of any community, and gaijin just ignores them Britain/Germany are probably just going to be dogshit untill the Eurofighter arrives, and lets hope they dont gimp that too

[@kingghidorah8106]

Gaijin doesn't fix flight models unless it's nerfing them or trading something for another.

[@roflocopter1337]

@@kingghidorah8106 or when they want a premium variant to make money like with the Mirage F1. Expect a flight model rework when/if a Saudi adv gets added as a premium.

[@Evrimomono]

"Tornado has a few drawbacks, first of all it's British" LMFAO

[@evo3s75]

How I see it, the F-16 didn't get punished because you chose to RTB, he got punished because *he* chose to take the risk at killing you on the AF. It was his own decision and the risks and consequences were all for himself to experience, he took the bet and failed

[@foo-foocuddlypoops5694]

It's not even a risk to attack airfields at this BR with the amount of long range weapons, the F-16 was just an impatient dipshit. At lower tiers there's valid reasons to complain about airfield AA, but at top tier it takes genuine effort to let the AA kill you.

[@TheTfrules]

I couldn't agree more, in air RB you're meant to bleed the tickets with AI targets if your enemy goes back to base to put the pressure on. Air RB is not team death match, you are not supposed to be rewarded for catching enemies on the runway replenishing. It makes for a frustrating exprience when you're having a good game and have to resupply.

[@Metagross555]

and why would a main airfield not be defended IRL?

[@eberlix]

@@foo-foocuddlypoops5694 Defyn has also shown multiple times how to properly punish someone that went back to base, but without any risk of the airfield. Just wait for them to take off and get a little separation from the airfield, then go in for the kill when you can get enough time to kill but also enough separation after ward to not get shot down by the airfield. The enemy just received all his ordnance and fuel back, he is gonna be heavy and slow, which should be easily punishable (especially in such a matchup). Having no airfield AA would create a meta in which camping the enemy airfield would become a very viable strategy I fear.

[@jacknickolstine3355]

I feel like they should add servers for RB like sim with those EC maps. Just like sim but RB settings.

[@Yeet42069]

5:20 bullshit. He could have not tried to kill you on the airfield and waited until you took off. At that position he has all the advantages. He chose to risk it for a kill and got clapped by aa, in a scenario like this its actually working as intended. The real downer is trying to take off but tickets being a bitch and ending the game, but that is another issue not related to the airfield. And the more recent problem is missile slinger combat where everyone throws their dookie and just goes back to land. But again, that's not an airfield problem. That is the snail's dumbass decision to remove multipathing from the game and make f14 missile slinging an actually viable strategy.

[@roebuckpayne]

I agree with this^ Players aren't void of ALL responsibility when it comes to having a fun and engaging game. If that guy had the time to sit down and game, he has the time to get into a position to intercept you AFTER you repair and rearm and takeoff, my man. You don't blame a loophole in the rules for players cheating, you blame the CHEATING PLAYERS. You don't blame gaijin for him killing you on the runway, you blame HIM! Put some personal responsibility back into some Motherf*cking persons.

[@oriolguerrero1702]

Heavy disagree with the airfield AA being unfair, the F16 knew the risk and took It, he was punished for being impatient, if he just waited a bit for you to take off again he would have had the kill and be Alive

[@rainsilent]

While I agree with the notion that the F-16 played it poorly and got killed for it, in my opinion deservedly so, I disagree with the airfield AA being fair. It isn't. Airfield AA, especially when it is just guns, should not be deadly. It should, at best, be casually dangerous. At the moment airfield AA is so strong that it allows people that are $hit tier players somewhere to hide and potentially win the game because the AA wins it for them. At the very least airfield AA needs to be adjusted so that it does not defend someone just flying around the airfield because they don't have the competency to actually try to win the game otherwise.

[@rainsilent]

@@USAF-NGAD AA used to be nonexistent back in the day. Then airfield spawn campers in EC got Gaijin to introduce airfield AA in every game mode and tuned it to be "balanced" against what was then 8.0 jets and everything under that got clubbed. It has, more or less, been that way ever since.

[@oriolguerrero1702]

@@rainsilent Yeah of course, maybe give it a 1 minute timer after take off for ''inmunity'' and at landing, no more than that is really needed.

[@rainsilent]

@@oriolguerrero1702 Define no more than that is really needed. As for players RTB? The game can, and does, track fuel, damage and ammo. It isn't too hard to tap into that so that airfield AA only activates when a player is critically low on fuel, seriously damaged/has coolant leak or is very low to out of ammo. When it does activate it only does so for a limited time, say 3 mins, and then turns back off with maybe a cool down attached to prevent deliberate abuse from a group deliberately trying to keep it active via deliberately spraying their ammo to try to keep base AA up. With that most instances of airfield AA abuse is instantly gone.

[@areyou0k98]

Idk what y'all are on about, main airfield should heavily protected, it should be a no fly zone/ safe place to land without worry of the enemy team.

[@willbrigham2121]

It doesn’t help that every aircraft with swing wings is screwed up right now. What I heard in the video “it turns terrible” followed by “ it won’t bleed speed”. If they’d fix the flight models, the plane would actually perform like a well in turns with the wings out and could sustain a turn fight. The same can be said for the F-111; it’s missing almost 5000 lbs of thrust compared to what it should have, and you can’t even get half a turn in (even when empty on fuel) because it tries to flat spin. Same for the flight models on the Mig-23, Su-22 and F-14.

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

Also with the mig29. At the very least all of them lack about 2000 kg of thrust on each engine (judging by an x-ray mode)

[@willbrigham2121]

@@ВячеславФролов-д7я is there a way to address these issues to the devs?

[@ВячеславФролов-д7я]

@@willbrigham2121 bug reports have been written about a year back. They are still ignored. Gaijin is very selective with realism of its aircrafts

[@darealsherlock8026]

Spookston ahhh medical problems

[@erikkusters378]

the thing is about airfield aa is that if there aint any there are gonna be dickheads flying all the way around to camp the airfield with agm`s and other things. i think every map should have forward airfields so you can choose between fast and dangerous and slow but safe. people will cry no matter what happens too airfield aa and becouse of that we cant have nice things.

[@dakromis]

Airfield AA needs to exist and it needs to be good enough to deter people from base camping , as you said. It sounds like you’ve played the game for awhile, AAA did used to suck really bad, and base camping was a real thing people did and the counter play to it also sucked. The game is better like this, although we wouldn’t even need this if they changed the way air RB even works, it goes without saying that plane gameplay is boring and needs an overhaul

[@spil1tia38]

Yeah but the thing is that camping the airfield with agms is not going to happen, by doing it you are removing a plane from your team, you are also hopping that the game will last long enough for people to land, and you need to not get spotted, this argument is always brought up when people discuss removing aa someone brings up someone sitting above the enemy airfield which is just not an at all viable strategie (unlike running to your af when you make a mistake and end up in a bad position) this argument is just stupid

[@kerotomas1]

I mean Defyn crying about airfield AA is now at a whole new level lmao. He basically said that he should have been punished for playing an off-meta plane. I mean WTF? Is this game CS:GO or something where you are not supposed to have fun anymore? Why do we even have nations anymore? Or only US vs USSR? I got so tilted by his comment... And about base camping and such i still see way more enemy players camping the base trying to kill returning players than people sitting on the base like cowards. Without Airfield AA we would have a huge issue. Like spawncamping in Arcade. Nowadays literally a third of the players goes to camp the enemy spawn instantly. This is not a WarThunder only issue, every single game which have bases or spawns players camp the hell out as everyone wants the effortless and easy kill.

[@erikkusters378]

@@dakromis i have been here sins the very begining of warthunder i have seen it all. and yeah top tier is as stale and boring as ever. 50%amraam 50%base bombers 100% retardation

[@erikkusters378]

@@spil1tia38 you strongly underestamate people`s desire for ''easy'' rp if they think they can kill somone who is defensless for some easy rp they will move the heavens and earth to do so. aaa needs to exist and will always be a diffecult thing to ballance. and i dont know about you but i surive often enough with no missiles and ammo left that i need to land. i have pulled games out of my ass becouse i was able to rearm and engange those 1 or 2 last enemy jets fully loaded. just yesterday i had a 7 kill game with a 72 no booster rp game becouse i was able to land safley and rearm in my mig 29 and r27er the last f16 out of the air. ( had a talisman tho) somtimes retreating is the better part of valor.

[@StrEagle]

casually suffering while doing 8 kill game, also forgot about reverse thrust

[@justacanobeans5720]

It’s like 2 in the morning in Australia and I can’t get to sleep so imma watch funny Dutch man make fat jokes about planes

[@Soldo66666]

I'm in Italy and i chose to watch it now that it's 2am

[@kaidestructor7350]

Thank you. this is content. I spaded this plane. Your voice makes it justice.

[@robertgaudet7407]

I can already tell you spaded it in realistic.

[@getbrutal4388]

8 kills still lose... and tornado.. this video is a true tragedy.

[@AspenTitan]

Tip: Tornadoes have a thrust reversal system you can bind which helps slow you down a lot more during landings.

[@kingghidorah8106]

@@AspenTitan he will use it in a dogfight over actually using it to slow down after touchdown

[@roebuckpayne]

Also useable mid-air unlike the Viggen thrust reverser so it's an extra airbrake when trying to force and overshoot.

[@besty453]

7:15 That F-14 be like: infinity is not the limit

[@sebastiankillin7940]

That bit about Airfield AA is just wrong. I'm sorry, but we should not be promoting spawn camping.

[@EdgeR2]

(Shocking)

[@chrise2621]

The tornado has defyn channeling his inner emo. "Life is pain, suffering. "All is dark, black and cold... I just literally cant...." -defyn circa 2024. Its so cancerously terrible it made him sick. Metal.

[@spiffywolf2850]

Man at the the grippen got the r daters

[@afterglowproductions8547]

"this thing does not lose speed" my brother in christ it has an amazing thrust reverser

[@smigoltime]

not a Fairey Barracuda or Blenheim Mk IF or Albacore = not pog

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Not even british turreted hurricane somehow.

[@smigoltime]

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 god I want the Defiant so bad

[@ivancsontos7011]

bro forgot about the fairey gannet

[@robertgaudet7407]

If it’s named after tuna I needed it soona.

[@AusAlb]

@@smigoltimenah the Bolton Paul defiant is a bit sad it has no frontal armament

[@peanutraider8654]

All the tornados are missing like 2Gs of turn and something called lift. The F3 specifically was also refused extra combat power in full burner like mig 21, despite the cockpit clearly having a “combat” setting written out next to the throttle. Probably because it’s not Russian. Typical gaijin fashion they release the British aircraft way past their due in an abysmally unfinished state and just leave it to rot.

[@Howdy762]

8:53 "Youl see me all in the next one" 😅 yeah bro youre out of it lol

[@Metalgearmadness]

You can use the thrust reversers to slow down in flight but still the plane is a straight line plane

[@neospiker4346]

"This thing sucks"....proceeds to wipe the entire team

[@raihanrusli2720]

Its first weakness is really hindering its capabilities

[@TJ042]

About slowing down, Tornados have thrust reversers, which let you slow down very quickly, especially in conjunction with the airbrake.

[@PotatoeJoe69]

All the Tornado can ever be is a base bomber or a missile bus. Simply don't make any attempts to dogfight. It has the 2nd best radar in the game, the best Fox-3's in the game, and very good heat seekers.

[@LunarsX]

Its so good Defyn (almost) never died in this video...

[@littletweeter1327]

guys, these bad planes are killing defyn :(((

[@acyde125]

Sucking out his life force

[@flak8842]

i am sorry for you defyn and i hope you get better very soon and i expected that this tornado could get an HMD would have made it easier to point the seekers towards them instead of manuvering the whole boat towards them

[@roebuckpayne]

Even in sim this thing is tricky. If you are on the deck and the enemy is above you, you can't go cold then come back around on them in time to counter becuase your turn rate is so poor. By the time you've gone cold and decided to roll back around, another Fox3 is on it's way! And why NOT spam you then go rearm? There's no penalty to Fox dumping and going back for more so people can do just that and your only counter in the Tornado F.3 Late is to BY CHANCE takeoff while the ENTIRE enemy team is rearming so you can get around to their flank with your radar off and blind fire at dots you see leave the enemy airfield. Tornado F.3 Late needs 12.3 minimum if not 12.0 due it its abysmal flight model. 11.0 and 11.3 planes DO need to see SOME fox3's to get them prepared for the spams at higher tiers and ONLY having slow harriers or sluggish tornados be the ones with the Fox3's is absolutely fair and fine for 11.0+.

[@Danbutch24]

Point of note, the Tornado does stop really quickly if you remember to use the Thrust Reversers.

[@10810gabriel]

This jet is an interceptor and not meant not an air superiority fighter! So it's not supposed to do much turning!

[@Dio-Edits-jjba]

Thank u for keep making videos for us even when ur sick. makes my day every time

[@janusz4156]

45 years of Panavia PA-200 Tornado ADV in 2024

[@Brzy555]

Other than having a bad flight mode, I think the guns are great, also you have reverse thrust to help bleed speed for landing btw.

[@logicmaster756]

Snail seems to hate the bad teeth people

[@thomasferguson923]

"British Shitbox" meanwhile Defyn still cooks

[@Hagop64]

Tornado F.3: a jet so bad that Defyn only gets 8 kills in a game with it.

[@viper2589]

btw guys try to change the countermeasure selection key its the Shift+D if u press this it will go flares only or chaff only which is not working at all if u accidentally press them and this happen quite a lot in arb

[@tsunami1750]

Therapist: sexy voice defyn doesn't exist, he can't hurt you Sexy voice defyn:

[@SAK11RA]

On the topic of britain getting the short end of the stick, I own the Thunderbolt Mk.1 which is a razorback P-47. It’s a bit disappointing that we don’t get the bubble canopy. I bought it before I knew the difference between the two

[@gitgood8509]

I appreciate your sacrifice, DEFYN. I want to play this suffer mobile just for the pure meme quality.

[@pedromedeiros4955]

Very fitting voice for a million time doing another top tier video on the tornado.

[@BenjiBoi696]

I’m convinced gaijin devs are tied up in the back being slapped making the f15c but it’s just another day in the office making the f4 ice and tornado 😂

[@Matt-uk7zq]

the airfield aa cope definitely sounding way more disingenuous with this video

[@DEFYN]

Might have something to do with the fact it hurts to talk 🧍‍♂️

[@thunderwithchrissy]

8:48 proof that although you can get a lot of kills if you play right, it doesnt mean that its a good plane.

[@0GTXR]

5:16 No Defyn, I disagree. There should be a balance between the sides. The F16 got punished for choosing to chase after an out of reach target, and you got rewarded with a rearm for disengaging early enough. Had the F16 waited a little bit, he would have the easiest, most free kill in the universe. Now for the reason WHY there should be balance: Imagine a round where you do everything perfectly and take out half of the enemy team on your own, run out of ammunition and fuel, then you return to the airfield to get a refill. There WILL be a shitter (that did nothing throughout the game) waiting for you at the airfield, and you have NO way to fight back. THAT is unfair. And I know there will be such players because they think "I'm happy if I can get at least one kill" (a quote from a player I played with before). It's the kind of players that kill themselves if they think they can get one kill. Yes, I know airfield camping is a problem, but it can be fixed with a multitude of ways OTHER than completely removing AF AA. I will give three examples: 1) New orders can be introduced: Second wind order which would add tickets to your (losing) team, and Extra time order which would add 10-15 mins to the timer. This should give you enough resources to deal with a camper. 2) After half of the tickets/timer runs out, if someone lands and respawns, then high ticket value AI targets will appear, making AF AA camping a losing tactic. 3) Circling the AF AA active zone (3.5 km for AAA, 8 km for SAMs) should mark you as an inactive player. And I'm sure there are more ways to deal with campers. The kind of players that choose to camp are easy to kill anyways, wave your tail at them from a vulnerable position and they rush at you to get instantly reversed. Another thing that should be taught WT players is that leaving to hangar at your airfield does not count as a death, so people worried about their KD can just leave instead of wasting everyone's time.

[@kingghidorah8106]

Defyn: My voice is absolute dogass right now which perfectly fits with how I feel about the turdnado F3. I think he got hoarse from MALDING his lungs out loud while getting the footage. I feel you *Huggy*

[@trevorgoebel1211]

You can't complain about it not being able to lose speed if you don't use its super powerful thrust reverser. If anything that plane stops short faster than anything. Even its brakes alone are mega powerful.

[@therealwildboar1007]

@@DEFYN The reversers don't work while flying?? Was that changed this update?

[@superbuster11]

@@DEFYN You can ;)

[@DEFYN]

What, since when I swear they didn't allow you to do so since like a month after the first one got added

[@superbuster11]

@@DEFYN i played Tornado GR.1 in sim for 4 last days. I can use reverse thrust anytime. In test flight it also works in F.3 Late in RB and SB modes ;)

[@DEFYN]

Yes Since when

[@kuba6160]

I disagree on airfield AA, going after planes that are landed or are landing on the defended airfield is a risk and you have to account for it, sure him not getting the kill is BS but him dying is completely on him.

[@duc1755]

I hope you know that you can just tws and switch radar targets button instead of acming and having to fumble with your buttons and move your plane around to find the guy, you would have launched the aim 120 much quicker. the radar target witch button has saved me so many times

[@trashitty9854]

Weird to complain about there being AA. Because with out it low skill players would just fill up on fuel and camp the enemy runway

[@trashitty9854]

Imagine vtol players just hovering around your airfields lol

[@PanzerSteinn]

just imagine playing this thing stock

[@Iniesta970]

You get 2 9L’s and 32 flares, no chaff 😂

[@mavor101]

F-15C is so unbelievably overpowered this patch it's insane. Gaijin literally do not care about balance lol.

[@Epic_candle]

They never did

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

How is it overpowered?

[@TakenWithout]

@@mikeyplayzwrld It can carry the most ARH missiles in game, it can guide up to 4 AMRAAMs simultaneously (more than its contemporaries) and gets an amazing flight model. Nothing comes even close to the F-15C at top tier right now

[@Dexors123]

@@TakenWithout It can guide up to 8 amramms simultaneously.

[@jfv2312]

Remember when people cried that it wouldn't be that good unless it got its ReALisTiC loadout of 8xAMRAAM??? right...

[@georgeboyred]

There are planes with very limited fuel, Jets with only missiles and Bombers that have to re-arm, without AA guns players will camp the enemy base and pick them off for easy kills making those planes and play styles useless. When a player cases you back to base they know the risk involved sometimes it works and you get the kill sometimes it doesn't but you can't eliminate AA guns without making some gameplay no longer viable thus reducing the player base.

[@MaxVelzgg]

Im waiting for a random video of gameplay from any other game that isnt war thunder, defyn commentary on an elden ring boss would be fun af

[@chick189]

AA in airfields have should definitely stay.

[@DevinEMILE]

Who would have guessed that the F3 that struggled at 11.3 fighting F16s and F15s in its every up tier would struggle fighting F16s and F15s with better weapons. But you cant move it down because its better then the 12.3s and Fox3s wouldnt be fair to fight in 11.3s on a supersonic platform. Just like the F3 and other tornado, added to late to be relevant and is dead on arrival.

[@JStef19]

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!

[@DeadRabbit86]

Every one always complaining about fuel burn. Ya’ll do realize real fighter aircraft can’t just sit on AB all day right? A full fuel load can be drained in very quick on full AB. Hence the need for inflight refueling.

[@bigbreadtime7624]

Life of a British main is rough

[@LordDigz12]

I feel like France and England are probably going to suffer a bit at top tier planes until they introduce the Eurofighter and Rafeles. Then they’ll get to be on top for a bit until something else is introduced

[@asadchatha4184]

More like Tornado F.3 Too Late.

[@Asghaad]

we were asking for Tornadoes back in he day of MiG-21 BiS vs F-4E meta ... "its too early for that" they sayd ... then they introduced MiG-23 and Viggen ... "its too early for Tornado" and so on and so on ...

[@dsawf4317]

not soon but still soon, always gotta watch all the videos from my mighty teacher

[@Tizanikgoesboom322]

Yup thats the f104g/s experience but with competitive missiles

[@lightyagami5365]

Nah not even close

[@itzerikftw24]

"thisbis a shit box" *pricedes to get 7 kills*

[@mushokueien8148]

F-16 got punished for his poor decisionmaking, it's not like AA popped out of nowhere and he didn't know about it. In fact AA should get even better and maps bigger.

[@mrpronoob7505]

USE THE GOD DAMNED REVERSE THRUSTERS!!! They're really good for defending too, I pulled quite a few reversals with it using the event tornado, not the 12.something tornado, probably not going to help at the new top tier but it's probably better than nothing

[@IceGuadian]

sucks to see a plane that worked really well get shafted once again like most planes in top tier

[@CarolusR3x]

The F-16 died because he got greedy and kill horny. He knows there's good AA at the last airfield, yet he chose the poorest decision out of all available. He simply could have waited for you to take off then make the decision to kill you. The game is dynamic, the player-base however, is not.

[@dutch24]

The first downside 😂

[@eaststarling7805]

1:20 I too forogt to mention.

[@markus1351]

I think the strike tornados are even worse, they are at the same tier as the F.3 in air RB

[@tomatofrog5108]

Weird scenario when i was playing the tornado adv i was somehow keeping up in a dogfight with a mig29. The tornado seems atleast mid in a rate fight.

[@TheTfrules]

You know it's a bad plane when even DEFYN can barely deak with it. I tried a couple games of stock grind, and noped the fuck out and wend back to literally anything else.

[@GamerShovv]

To all the british main and as a French main : believe me been there done that. Hold tight, one day you'll have good planes at top tier

[@robertgaudet7407]

What’s wrong with their Gripen?

[@atrim07]

I love the editing

[@prototypeultra4400]

Hey Defyn, maybe an idea for an end of year video--top 5 planes you liked over the year & top 5 you disliked. Cheers!

[@davidbonds3202]

The first F.3 was one of the worst stock grinds I've ever had in the game. While I love the jet spaded, I really can't ever see myself grinding this one out. Damn shame

[@JS-bk7bt]

Is this a vid of defyn trying not to commit die for 9:26 straight.

[@fennze]

We have F-15 at home ahh plane

[@TheIsemgrim]

defyn: gets 8 kills in a crap plane. me: praises the snail after a sweaty batle where i get 3 kills on my favorite top tier plane:P

[@jegory6899]

Imagine buying the F4 JUNK just to grind out this pile of 💩. Hopefully in the future there will be a day where I can grind out an RAF Eurofighter with the mighty Bison 🦬🦬🦬

[@Iniesta970]

Still waiting for Gaijin to fix the flight model.

[@JamisonMK3]

Damn...8 kills and a loss. That's brutal

[@ArcangelGamingEntertainment]

I tell you..as a British main, moving to other factions have been a real eye opener. Compared to other factions I'm yet to determine what the Brits are supposed to be good at. Their tanks and planes after t3 suck.

[@jacknickolstine3355]

I just wanna see an EC mode in RB with respawns like sim. Those EC maps are fun, also you can have some great 1v1 dog fights.

[@ced3308]

Unsure about the late version, but you can switch between doppler and simple radar return mode while still tracking a target with the F3. This makes the Fox1s unnotchable if you know how to properly use it. Haven't played since Fox3s were introduced, so unsure if this is still relevant.

[@ced3308]

Also, I wouldn't call the Tornado bad, it's just very different in terms of playstyle. Positioning is a lot more important. You have lots of unique features (good radar modes, swing wing, heaps of flares, thrust reversers, sturdy flaps, and the FM allows you to keep your energy more easily). I have a 2.5K/D and 65% winrate over 153 games (this includes stock grind, the last 50 games prob have a 3 or 4 K/D), so it's definitely playable.

[@DEFYN]

Fox 3 doesn't benefit from different radar modes Stats are not how you benchmark a plane I go 7.5:1 in the regular tornado. It is not because the plane is good, it is because people cant play the game. The late exclusively fights top planes making it even worse its more than a full BR higher. You can make it work by position well etc sure But the other planes at the br can do that too and most of them will be better at it. Still the f.3 late and f.3 fight vastly different aircraft they are not comparable in gameplay

[@ced3308]

@DEFYN good to know, thx Agreed, stats don't benchmark a plane, but do show that it's playable in its own way, even if it's only because of the playerbase. Your 7.5:1 is a perfect example. And yeah, its not competitive in duels, but irl tornado wasnt a dogfighter anyways either... I'd like to get your thoughts; would you change anything to how the f3 and f3 late are implemented right now ? Appreciate the review btw. I do look forward to giving it a try myself when I can. Love the aircraft even if it's not competitive in game

[@curquhart5637]

4:30 Doesnt use reverse thrust for landing wayyyy faster smh

[@IM_8685]

1:22 that rudder is not moving anything ong.

[@copperthedergy]

Yeahh this thing will never work in Gaijin's top tier Air RB. It was built around amazing TWS radar performance (notice how it sweeps quite fast, providing a quick speed measurement) - to provide an overview of the tactical situation before anyone else can. 9/10 times you can take off and switch to TWS mode and 93km range, and then you get to watch the enemy fly to you for the whole time, it'll even pick out incoming radar missiles. The radar kind of falls apart when your targets start going rear aspect, its not very good at seeing things fly away from it. Not to mention the sub-par off-boresight capabilities (feels like about 55 degrees, then they're off scope) Overall this WOULD be a bigger issue with the earlier tornado with only Skyflashes, but it makes up for this by being 11.3 with all the same stuff, and skyflashes are pretty nasty right off the rail 10/10 love killing downtiered F-14s with this thing. Give the early F.3 a try, DEFYN is absolutely right about the flight performance, it bleeds an unreasonable amount of speed in the slightest turn and at the exact same time - cant turn for shit, but its pretty quick. MiG-23s might catch you. Also, that landing, come on. It has reverse thrust!!! (As it was meant to take off and land from austere runways a lot better than the phantom did)