The Dark Production of Alien: Covenant (2017)

[@FrameVoyager]

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[@elmo1234]

5:16 You said you would leave a link to the connecting prologue videos. But you didn't. 😭

[@tn2josh]

I worked on this at MPC Montreal. I was on the creature team. Thanks for shouting out the VFX team and company.

[@FrameVoyager]

You guys did some great work! VFX artists don't get enough credit. We're going to dive into that bit for the romulus video

[@tn2josh]

@@FrameVoyager’we shot this all practical’ is a twisted truth. Sure… but you replaced 85% of it!

[@FrameVoyager]

haha on my side of it, I've had to learn that is what it means over the years. But there is a reason why audiences have bias against vfx in films, and it's really not the VFX artists fault at all

[@tn2josh]

@@FrameVoyager The original Jurassic Park had less than 60 visual effects shots. Moonfall had over 1700 VFX shots. Visual effects can enhance a story and should but it can’t save it. It can’t save acting. It can’t save emotional connection. It can’t add the magical spark, only enhance it if it’s there. It’s a tool that people lean on too much. It’s like people hoping their aspect ratio is going to save their turd movie.

[@JohnnyFehr]

@@tn2josh in VFX we can make everything look real in the right conditions. People these days see more VFX as they think and know.

[@Lucax97]

Killing Elizabeth felt as deflating as Newt and Hicks dying at the beginning of Alien 3. It didn't feel natural, just the writers clearing the desk to tell their story.

[@WeirdMedicine]

Agreed. I thought Shaw might represent an alternate xenomorph creation method by becoming the alien Queen. That would have solved Scott's problem hating the idea. Mostly new xenos would be created from victims, but David trying another pathway in the queen... I dunno, something, anything but just killing her

[@treborkroy5280]

It a horror movie man. I think you need a different genre. You all are so use to James Camerons nonsense you see an ALIEN movie that's horror and not action and call foul play. They're playing by different rules.

[@Pazzystar]

I don't like a religious protagonist, usually such characters should stay as catalysts for catastrophe.

[@gold333]

Covenant is a joke. Forget Ridley

[@cindytartt4048]

@@gold333Listen, you’re on every thread whimpering about it, when Ridley has been magnificent. Without him there would’ve been no aliens & no @morphs.

[@ADNZ5442]

Covenant partly respected Prometheus, but was a massive confused let down. Ironically focusing on the alien rather than Elizabeth and David’s arc into a paradise lost I thought was a detriment.

[@nzoocage4084]

I agree and even though they wanted to include the Xenomrph they could have done it with that story arc

[@UnabridgedGamer]

I agree. It's mid-series pivots like this that are always such a frustrating state of affairs. I'd much rather something I'm not keen on stay the course than try and pivot because it's just going to disappoint almost everyone.

[@funnycatvideos5490]

he wasn't allowed to do the story like he wanted so they went back to the old formula which messed up the whole movie and why we did not get the conclusion

[@WhiteDove73-888]

Prometheus was way worse. Stupid ignorant nonsense

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@UnabridgedGamer people like you are to blame tbh

[@danj.p.5341]

I worked at Fox Studios Australia during the filming of Alien: Covenant. A fun fact is that one of the film's "Terraforming Vehicles" is actually just a road grader, leased from a construction company, and then vinyl wrapped in white and gold to give it a "sci-fi appearance". At the conclusion of filming, the vinyl wrap needed to be removed. The crew attempted to use a heat gun, but found that it posed a dilemma: it was either hot enough to remove the wrap but damaged the underlying paint, or not hot enough to remove the wrap but left the paint intact. Consequently, not wanting to lose their bond, they had to manually peel every inch of the wrap off this gigantic machine. This task turned into a friendly competition to see who could peel off the longest continuous strip - contestants would tape their strip to the wall, label it with their name and a winner would be announced at the end of the day!

[@grey.fox.]

Why didn't they just leave it on bro? Probably would have looked way cooler

[@danj.p.5341]

Totally looked cooler, but apparently the construction company didn't agree.

[@iancocks9408]

Must have been boring then

[@horizon92lee]

Fassbender’s performance as David was done so well

[@BReal23-qm8hs]

This film angered me so much that I never want to see a film with Michael Fassbender again.

[@THEODSTKING117]

@@BReal23-qm8hswhy dude he was the best part of both this movie and Prometheus

[@ihavesomthintosay4928]

@@BReal23-qm8hsI know what you mean. Felt like that after watching it but honestly he did his job perfectly - not his fault the rest was lacking

[@Buraz93]

​@@BReal23-qm8hs Bro, he carried both of the movies, especially Covenant.

[@hasbeendavid]

This has been such an incredible series! Thanks for all the hard work

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it! One more video to go!

[@bcm-n7244]

The fact that they killed shaw before the movie begun was such a bad choice.

[@YodaOnABender]

The same reason Alien 3 is bad

[@saljpal3]

Yeah, seeing all the bridges they built in Prometheus just to have them burned in Covenant, felt like such a waste.

[@ihavesomthintosay4928]

And to replace her with a pretty weak substitute didn’t help distract from that

[@Sonofdonald2024]

Agreed. And replacing her with such a bland replacement protagonist

[@nicolasf7243]

they could've wrote it the same way too and it at least would've been so much more horrifying to find her actually alive down there

[@TheOnlyMisterC]

I worked on that movie at MPC Montreal, I was a somewhat new artist in the industry. Movie didnt come out as many wished it would, but I can't bring myself to hate it, its my baby

[@longhairhiggins]

There are so many fantastic elements and brilliant successes in covenant. You have much to be proud of.

[@GEMINIEARTHWALKER]

Personally I'm more engaged with David's saga more than I have ever been with people fighting Xenomorphs. It stimulates me more intellectually and I still think about the ideas and themes of the prequels, I'm glad that Romulus continued some of those elements

[@hubsternova]

I can't get over the way they killed off Dr. Shaw, I think that was a bad call.

[@FrameVoyager]

I feel like that was a studio call tbh

[@WrekCreationL]

I thought I heard she didn't want to be involved ​@@FrameVoyager

[@10secondsrule]

It was disappointing but in the same time most characters from Prometheus were just silly and annoying, except the captain and pilots.

[@treborkroy5280]

Why? Why did she "deserve better" ? Any actual reason?

[@cindytartt4048]

@@treborkroy5280🙄🙄

[@phoebexxlouise]

You've done such an amazing job on all these documentaries. It's an insane amount of research and editing that has gone into making these informative and entertaining

[@producedbypodcast]

You've been nailing it with consistency and quality lately. Thanks and keep it up!

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it!

[@FrameVoyager]

Been meaning to get back to you about doing a podcast btw! Have been buried in this alien series so I apologize!

[@MasterMayhem78]

This movie desperately needed a scientist or two on set and during preproduction, there were so many odd things that logically shouldn’t have happened in the movie. New planet, no EVA suits?? Handling stagnant water without protection?? Smoking?? and so many others.

[@ExpertContrarian]

They didn’t need EVA suits. Didn’t you watch the movie? Smoking is unscientific? 😂😂😂

[@C02243]

Good point

[@kapitanbeuteltier5889]

​@@ExpertContrariana breathable atmosphere existing does not mean "contains no harm through microbes or spores of any kind" And no, smoking is not unscientific but at that part of the mission extremely unprofessional.

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@kapitanbeuteltier5889 you can cry all you want but the air was safe. Suits would not have stopped the pathogen. Smoking has nothing to do with professionalism

[@kapitanbeuteltier5889]

@@ExpertContrarian Why the hostility? And no, the suits would most likely not have offered adequate protection for their environment, but it just goes against any safety measures we already have today on earth when researching...and we arent even on other planets. Like I wear better protection for my health when working in my university lab. Seeing that disregard for basic precautions puts some cracks in the immersion you get me?

[@CRUELLANDER]

They should gone with the original idea for Prometheus, and should’ve titled it “Paradise” or “Paradise Lost”, acting as a Standalone sequel to Prometheus. With Alien: Covenant being a sequel to Paradise/Paradise Lost, and then finally doing Alien: Awakening.

[@cameroncope3034]

God, this channel is so good and refreshing. Beautifully edited and well structured mini docs across the board. cant wait to see this creator grow.

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it! We've definitely found our groove in the mini doc space. Love putting a narrative together for videos like these!

[@Axafolis]

I wish to see a conclusion with David and the Engineers. Prometheus was NOT going to be alien universe focused, so anyone complaining about that have not being doing their research. I am sad that Ridley Scott could not continue exloring that mythology. As much as i love Alien, the Engineer lore is much more interesting if you ask me.

[@iancocks9408]

I disagree, it was going to be big alien focussed, that’s why they had the very end bit. They wouldn’t go away from that in the next movie.

[@halomultiplayermoments]

But it clearly is alien universe focused 😂😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@halomultiplayermomentsthey clearly meant the xeno

[@StuntmanDanHemi]

Covenant is not perfect, but I enjoyed it, it definitely has the spot for the most feral Xenomorph in the entire franchise. That thing was a unhinged, I would've loved to see a full movie with that version and not just the 3rd act

[@staphanieseirra2132]

Tithe time stamp "Fassbender kisses himself" has me DYING of laughter

[@FrameVoyager]

😉

[@UltimateLegoFan324]

I would much rather see a proper sequel to Prometheus. Throwing it all away was a cowardly move.

[@funnycatvideos5490]

in Hollywood the bean counters are in charge. It's why the entire movie industry is so stale and stagnant right now. If you have a truly creative idea for your franchise the wider general action flick uninspired audience will shut it down because they want to see the same thing repeated infinitely. I have no intention to even watch the new one it's the same premise scary horror monster movie.

[@deathismycolor]

@@funnycatvideos5490”You Might Have Something Going On There” Hmmmmm … “Interesting” .

[@halomultiplayermoments]

@@funnycatvideos5490Romulus was really boring. It had way too much fan service even down to the main character wearing rebook shoes like Ripley did in aliens. Essentially Romulus was 💩💩💩 and it offered nothing new.

[@JustNickTho]

I didn’t know there were shorts between Prometheus and Covenant, can’t wait to check those out. Thanks for another awesome Alien video

[@MrHam9513]

I wanted to like it. I wanted to love it. And for the sake of objectivity, it is a genuinely beautiful-looking movie. It’s just not a very good overall movie. Definitely will leave you with more questions than answers, and has too many nonsensical moments to allow for prolonged suspension of disbelief. Just watch it on mute, without subtitles, and enjoy the gorgeous visuals.

[@edvaira6891]

Agreed! Just SUCH a missed opportunity…too many characters just being Epically stupid at the worst times

[@nobodynothing00000]

It was my understanding Ridley wanted to get away from the Beast and the financiers demanded more monster action.

[@ADNZ5442]

I think you’re right. Covenant didn’t seem like a smooth transition from Prometheus; and the fact that Elizabeth wasn’t in the film was ridiculous.

[@funnycatvideos5490]

yeah they should just let the master do his work. Now all we get is rehashed monster movie over and over till Disney milks it to death

[@CharlesBojangles]

I believe Tom Rothman (the infamous former co-chair of Fox) championed Prometheus becoming a more distant relative to the Alien series. I also believe Rothman was responsible for replacing Jon Spaiths with Damon Lindelof. But as soon as Rothman was ousted, the studio forced Scott to change course.

[@Draw2quit]

Covenant successfully refused to address any of the story from Prometheus whilst also convincing me that trained space travellers can be complete morons. I liked it though.

[@bloodydominations992]

I rewatched this last night. It’s not far off from being a great movie. Tighten up that middle act with David and I think you’ve got a real winner here. The first 45 minutes and the final act are very good. It’s a shame we will never get to see David fulfill his grand visions…

[@anonymousanonymity2815]

The more I rewatch both these movies the more upset I am that Scott seemingly runs away from a lot of Prometheus in this film

[@Jaythesparrow]

It’s far from being a great movie, the dumbest characters and writing.

[@azulo6]

like you said, "tighten up" some parts, which I think would also make Prometheus a pretty good movie it deserved to be. Director's or Final Cut or whatever. I can definitely feel in Covenant something super timeless. I think it will age like Blade Runner did.

[@YodaOnABender]

@@azulo6nah covenant is far from timeless

[@iancocks9408]

It was so obvious that it was the baddy fassbender who survived, gee surprise, not.

[@Evananer]

The work and research put into this series shows - I subscribed right away after watching your video on “Alien” and have loved each video that’s followed. Great work and thank you!

[@FrameVoyager]

THE PROLOGUES: The Crossing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpawh6WkjrOqq9U&pp=ygUYYWxpZW4gY292ZW5hbnQgcHJvbG9ndWVz The Last Supper: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5y7mIWih8aia6s&pp=ygUYYWxpZW4gY292ZW5hbnQgcHJvbG9ndWVz

[@JacobSchurmann]

Just found your channel and love it. Keep up the good work!

[@FrameVoyager]

Appreciate it! Welcome to the channe!

[@Road_to_Dawn]

I know I’m in the vast minority (I always am for basically everything), but I’ve always loved Covenant. It in no way stacks up with the first two movies, but for me it was a comfortable third place. Though now after Romulus, I’d put Covenant in fourth.

[@strosa20]

This series is awesome! thanks for all the hard work and the masterpieces you put out. Can you please do one of these on the Alien vs Predator production? super curious on that

[@wdadwdwdwadw8604]

they had something with Prometheus and then threw it into the trash, you can give an idiot a treasure and he would just assume is trash and throw it away, that was Alien Covenant which could of been an amazing movie if it had stuck to its original intention from Prometheus.

[@FrameVoyager]

Yeah, you kinda can tell the studio got involved with this one. It's sad, I was really hoping to get a better continuation of the main story.

[@McCrapweasel]

Hell yes, my binge is complete, until you do one for Romulus. Thanks for doing these!

[@Tavi78]

Shaw’s struggle and ultimate “victory” in Prometheus was my favorite thing about the film, I couldn’t wait to see her story continue and go on the quest with her to find the “new purpose of life.” Her being killed off screen felt so cheap and unsatisfying.

[@gotdamnbaby1353]

The plot of a man made creation - David tracking and taking down the creators of humanity was so interesting & much more compelling than any movie as of late, such a shame we will never see the original continuation of his and Shaws story

[@johntnguyen1976]

Justice for Shaw, Newt and Hicks. All connecting with the fan base...and then all given the worst fates possible. Not cool Alien franchise...not cool.

[@eden20111]

Killing Shaw offscreen was UNFORGIVABLE

[@juliohernandez5230]

such a piece of art this whole production was

[@RhettThompsonFilm]

18:26 I call this The Hangover effect! Do the exact same thing or something too similar people say it’s lazy and when you change it too much you get criticized for that too.

[@cbob213]

We need a third film in this prequel series. I and many of my friends loved these movies.

[@Jaythesparrow]

No, we really don’t. We didn’t need Prometheus or covenant. Both have stupidly incoherent scripts. Both films are a mess, covenant being the worst of the two. Stupid writing.

[@halomultiplayermoments]

💩💩 films with really convoluted writing. We don’t need another one 😂😂

[@agmcroom2374]

I really liked alien convent, but I really wished that they focused on the Prometheus storyline and the engineers. I didn’t have an appreciation for Prometheus until I watched the original alien movie once again and realized All the tie ends with the engineers. I didn’t remember the dead engineer and ship was in the original movie because I hadn’t seen it since I was a child. That made it even better watching several times after.

[@bruh_hahaha]

They could have easily kept in Shaw and tweaked the plot a little bit and Covenant would have been a huge win. As it is, it’s an enjoyable sci-fi horror. The movie is visually stunning, the world building is excellent and the gore & violence is probably the best in the entire franchise.

[@FrameVoyager]

Do you like Alien Covenant?

[@Poepopdestoep]

No, it is in my opinion ridicules that they threw away the character of shaw (the only interesting thing from Prometheus) plus, now scientist are even more stupider. It looks and sounds beautiful though. But i like it even less than Alien 4.

[@TheCosmicFireStar]

Appreciate the things it does well, conflicted by some choices that disregarded what Prometheus had set up, rushing the Alien evolution\creation?, Muddying the biomechanicle alien aesthetic for a simple bugs exoskeleton organic one, favouring chliches and horror tropes, altering Ridley's vision to appease fans, it's annoyingly a set up for a final entry in the trilogy that doesn't look t be happening anytime soon. Mixed feelings overall, wouldn't say it's the worst in the series, not great, glad Ridley came back to direct one last time.

[@ADNZ5442]

@@PoepopdestoepWould have been interesting if the story had David releasing the Black-Goo on the world and then waking Elizabeth up and showing her they’re all gone, but finds out his sinister plan, so she runs and it’s like a hunted movie where David is like the Alien, but then a fake distress call get received by Covenant some time later and lowers them in so David can experiment and learn of their destination. Then Elizebeth could somehow be in the next movie. Probably a terrible idea hahah, what do you think 😂

[@Poepopdestoep]

@@ADNZ5442 Sounds like a better and more interesting story than we got :)

[@justdamon25]

Yes, probably one of the most overly hated films of all time. Personally I am in agreement that the film struggles with an identity crisis that is also hampered by some poorly written characters. That being said, Michael Fassbender easily carries the cast with his dual roles, Ridley Scott makes sure to get those beautiful shots, and the VFX work truly is incredible. Personally I tend to give Covenant a "B" when it comes to grading or tier lists. As for the guy who says that Resurrection is better... you crazy for putting a "D" film above a "B" film.

[@initialssg4379]

Fantastic series! Thanks for these.

[@sagebondcast8115]

The dark product of how these effects where made, and this one and this one

[@backto-il9ne]

I refused to see this movie. While Prometheus had its issues, the most promising aspect of the movie was Shaw's quest to find engineers. Killing her off screen and completely changing course was both dumb and disrespectful. Glad it flopped :)

[@Ghostyx1989]

But killing important characters off screen is what this franchise does best you should know that by now lol

[@Hypnobong]

@@Ghostyx1989 arguably the two worst movies did that

[@snakeplissken111]

I watched this twice in cinema, despite.. you know. You can say about Scott all you want (and Alien has never been HIS story)... but: He's got a knack for framing and aesthetics. If there's parts of Covenant that are superior watching, it's best on the big screen for sure. Overall I think series like that would be best served on more modest budgets again. With less expectations behind of what such a movie should be, both by fans as well as corporate suits. Alien and to some extent Aliens were made by fresh filmmakers that worked under pressure. But not with the massive franchise expectations yet behind. Thus they were allowed to walk into territory never seen before -- and Cameron even wrote his own script, despite still being a newcomer at that point.

[@polyestermammoth740]

You’re killing it with this series. Amazing.

[@joaosantos5503]

You've got a typo at 0:45 "transitioning to back to xenomorphs"

[@thetalentof]

Great deep dive, would love to see you cover the Alien vs Predator films in this style.

[@chibirex596]

Omg that forest set looks so expensive for the 3 minutes it shows up lol

[@Pengu1n111]

Literally just seen Alien Romulus 3 hours ago Incredible movie, see it ASAP!!!!

[@FrameVoyager]

Releasing a video on that tomorrow morning!

[@VeeHausen]

Love this, thank you!

[@FrameVoyager]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@REDI2UM]

Issue with Ridley's profound vision for the prequels was that too much was left out of the movies, and on the cutting room floor or hidden away in trailers or extras/deleted scenes. I was someone that loved Covenant for what it conveyed, but understandably I was in the minority, due to the exposure I had to the films marketing and promotional material. Things were better fleshed out in the marketing with additional material, and a lot was hinted at and alluded to in interviews - but when it came to the movie itself, it left a lot to be desired. 'The Crossing' made Shaw feel like a character - and had the sequence been included in the beginning of the movie, would've given her character a purpose and posed the question throughout the movie, "What happened to her" - it would've given her reveal more weight, which when coincided with the birth of the Alien, would've by proxy also been given more weight and poignancy. 'The Last Supper', 'Phobos', and the goodbye messages shot for trailers, could've served as great character building material, and fleshed them out - giving their demise more weight. An Extra sequence, called 'Advent' provided an insane amount of exposition by David (to Weyland-Yutani) detailing why he killed Shaw, why he killed the Engineers, what he discovered on the planet, and why he decided to create the Xenomorph. Had this just been a sequence at the end of the movie, it would've brought everything together, instead of leaving his reveal unsatisfactory.

[@feelsgoodman420]

you're right. the deleted scenes/extras would've made it a more complete movie. regardless of that though the second half of the movie is still horrible no matter what

[@franklinmwesi6211]

Great video. Would love more especially about Blade Runner1 and 2, and Highlander.

[@toddfranson4178]

These are amazing. Thanks!

[@Morten.Bremvåg]

Being disappointed watching it the first time, it was a lot better the second time around (this week, and when it came out). The movie is really well made, and although I don't like where the story went (I really would have loved to see more of Shaw), I kinda like it now. Some parts are a little weak, but Fassbender's performance here is really S-tier. Also I really like the David character. It's very dark (I mean it's a horror movie), but looking at it now, the incredible visuals, practical effects and I also kinda liked the crew, just made a lot more enjoyable the second time around. Watching this YT video, just made me appreciate it more.

[@PhantomDeth]

Whose here to apologies to this movie after seeing Disneys abortion of an Alien movie

[@GiuseppeDeRosa2001]

I absolutely loved covenant despite what everyone else thinks…

[@ulfingvar1]

Love, love, love this film.. and Prometheus

[@CZJames20]

Hmm, a Greatest Hits Compilation of the other Alien films. I´m hearing that again with Romulus.

[@charliebrownie4158]

One of the things that was going over me while I was watching this movie was how many times they were doing things that regardless of a computer telling them that the air they were going to be breathing was safe. I don't know of anybody who would go into an area like that without having something in the way of protection because a computer can might say that something is not a danger but I can't figure out every single possible hazard. Just as there are things in the world today that have things like poison oak or poison ivy. So that a computer might say everything safe. But then to turn around and be freaking out because all the sudden you got this stuff cuz you have no idea that this thing the computer is not telling you that well there might be hazards out there no there's hazards everywhere. Especially in something where you can visibly see pollen coming off of there yeah that's not a good thing. One of the things I didn't like from Prometheus was the aspect of the robot taking the black stuff putting it in the liquid defeated to somebody just to see how it's going to react with them. It still isn't explaining how Wayland knew about the Xenomorphs. There's this thing apart from with me on the issue of alien 79, was how did the group know that there was something there and that that thing had to be extricated from there to be brought to Earth. Because in Prometheus there is nothing going out they had no ability to to contact the Earth to let them know what they found there or what had been there. The idea of the engineers going and putting life on the planet that's all fine and dandy and I get it because Carl Sagan when he realized that the issue of chance with regards to establishing life was impossible. To such a degree that the only way it made sense was to say that an alien came to Earth to put it here. So this is the outgrowth of what Carl Sagan said. Which is really funny when you hear somebody like Dawkins saying the universe created itself. And they laugh saying that somebody who believes in in a god creating the universes is a fairy tale. But their version of it isn't and their version isn't a religion yet it's covers all the bases of being religion.

[@erickvonengelwalten8568]

The most Fun aspect of this movie is The no continuation scenes within The plot: - How long storm lasts? - Days, Wheeks, months... Next scene, no rain, next scene no rain. Scene from The spaceship huge storm. No communications because of The storm. Back on land Two droids talking on outside no rain at ALL... For a Ridley movie, this was such a big error... It must bê só stressful for an Old director making movies on other peoples Therms...

[@funnycatvideos5490]

yeah the bean counters screwed up his vision so much that he basically gave up trying. We could've had some great movies behind this instead they went back to the general audience cliché monster movie of the week nonsense.

[@raspas99]

In first 4 minutes you see how it went from a potential to crap

[@tapinewoods3937]

The thing that sucked was how stupid the humans were in the movie, the engineers' city wasn't shown all that much and the fact that the original screenplay for the movie had a better idea than what we got in the end.

[@kuora1]

Alien Covenant will be reevaluated as an important film in the series in the future.

[@chrisd997]

prometheus and covenant were amazing, never understood the disappointment from some people. Sci Fi at its finest and tried to develop further the story.

[@funnycatvideos5490]

because obviously the general audience for this is action flick popcorn moviegoers. this was tragic it could've been an awesome thought-provoking sci-fi film series at its best. The bean counters would not let Ridley Scott interpret his own vision for the franchise. although I don't think it was advertised in the best way to start with. people were looking for a mindless action film like all of the others and they were disappointed. well they can watch the Disney one it will be the exact formula that I am not interested in one iota.

[@Delta5Qmp]

It's amazing how much work goes into realizing a script that wasn't ever worth making. Far from the only film it happened on, but always heartbreaking to see.

[@odejesu]

This movie es beautifull! i dont understan the hate... i love the way it was conatructed and all the mistery they created.

[@chrisgermann6658]

sadly wont happen..Disney have splashed out on the TV series and Romulus. Time will tell if this was a good move, but the Alien world should be expanded more.

[@safshannon]

LOL - I looked for this last night after watching the companion piece on Prometheus. Lo and behold, here it is today. Thank you! Great video!

[@FrameVoyager]

haha appreciate it! Yeah, we started last friday with the first alien film and we've been dropping one a day! TOmorrow wraps it up with Romulus

[@gluehoof573]

The worst part of this movie was the unrealistically stupid decisions made by the ship's crew, over and over and over. Having them ground the "reality" of what was unfolding by taking appropriate actions but being overwhelmed by the circumstances anyway, would have made the whole thing feel much more engaging. Instead we were just presented with the equivalent of a bunch of dumb, horny teenagers on holiday by a lake...

[@wucanit_benou]

'''I watch Alien: Covenant for the plot'' The plot: *Fassbender kisses himself*

[@Drewgantka_97]

This film had zero idea of what it wanted to be. It fails to be a proper Prometheus sequel and at the same time struggles being an Alien prequel. I can enjoy some of the ideas that they played around with in both Covenant and Prometheus but overall these films fail to justify their existence.

[@grandadmiralthrawn.gaming7355]

While I haven't seen Romulus as of yet, I'd much rather see a sequel to Covenant.

[@FrameVoyager]

Agreed. But still excited for romulus

[@funnycatvideos5490]

exactly I wish the majority thought like this and I'm sure Ridley Scott agrees with us. The bean counters ruined it

[@FriENTlyFire]

Romulus is incredible!

[@Jaythesparrow]

Fuck no, Covenant was an embarrassment to this franchise.

[@grandadmiralthrawn.gaming7355]

@@Jaythesparrow yeah, well that's just like your opinion man.

[@MaterLacrymarum]

The trouble with this movie is that it's too cryptic. Too much is left unanswered, and it didn't feel like an Alien movie. If there's a third in this run, then it needs to be simplified and close some loops.

[@JonathanLangdale]

This was the best film of the series IMHO.

[@alexmaverick6647]

😂😂

[@THEODSTKING117]

Ur smoking meth

[@Adrian-eq8ch]

18:00 I'll do the fingering -or how to have one line of dialog throw down the drain all the efforts of one actor playing two characters.

[@TheCosmicFireStar]

Would the two Alien vs Predator movies productions be covered in videos or being crossovers that's technically a different category from the main Alien series?

[@FrameVoyager]

Mostly I only really had time for these 7 mainline movies haha. And those were easy ones to cut out

[@TheCosmicFireStar]

Fare enough, to quote Newt you Mostly had time to cover the main 7 films... Mostly.

[@LesMachinesNoires]

In Prom and Cov technique, DOP, editing and sound are incredible while stories were so disappointing. The writers really have nothing to say. They don't understand the lore, but they know the techniques to poker face during prod, but when you watch the movies, it's empty, and none of the good intentions are visible on screen.

[@RizztrainingOrder]

Succeed or fail, I respect the infinitely interesting concept and commitment to create, I just wish he stuck to his original goal and made the story that he wanted rather than bend to the mob that hated the lore and wanted more xeno then subsequently got more xeno but then complained about not having enough story lore. It’s easy to criticize others’ hard work and art and feel entitled enough to demand that someone else’s story be shaped to each persons liking. I’d have liked to have seen where the director would’ve take his original vision.

[@gzuskreist1021]

The biggest problem with Covenant (other than it ditched the more interesting Prometheus stuff) was the marketing. Every single trailer and clip was a spoiler and ruined the movie, you knew exactly what was going to happy. Covenant was so bad I have returned to the theaters since seeing it.

[@73rmin8r]

I'd bet a lot of money that if lindeloff was never involved Prometheus would have been significantly better

[@aroidpapa]

I am sooo tired of the 'this was all practical' when 80+% is replaced in post anyway. Studios are hellbent on devaluing VFX and discrediting the meticulous and most of the time unrealistic level of work we are tasked to create.

[@jomoland]

Ok so I went to the description drop down to search for those links u said you’d place for us…. buuuuuut nothing. 😞 I don’t know if I’m not seeing it but I looked several times and then opened all the links that are there but they’re definitely not the ones. Can u still link them ? I can’t find them. Also since you are quoted as saying “And we’ve definitely linked them below if u want to check them out .” 5:30

[@FrameVoyager]

@@jomoland they are in the comments! Sorry about that.

[@FrameVoyager]

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[@arvinjay336]

I was expecting futuristic weapons on this movie and we got a bunch og AR-15s with laser sighters lol 🤣 happy Romulus had a Pulse rifle.

[@DavidFMartin]

What I find unbelievable in these movies is how much drooling is going on with the Alien or Aliens. I can understand them doing this to some extent but as the series progressed the sticky blobs found on surfaces indicating the presence of an Alien because a shower head constant river of drool. Later Aliens must be leaking gallons of drool which is infeasible.

[@rickbrookes9491]

I’ve been a fan of Prometheus since it came out. Unfortunately, “Covenant” was an extremely disappointing follow-up film. Too much worry s as bout fan service at the expense of story.

[@Gojiraa666]

I think if people don’t like it or the series, just move on and don’t ruin it for the rest of us. You have a right to your opinion, I too have the right to ignore it.

[@BabarizamDK]

I thought I was going to watch a fan mader alternative Alien Covenant version.

[@awakenedsoul]

These movies have the same issues as the new Terminator movies ... They are made for the director...not the fans. Just give the fans what they want. A true engineer sequal and for Terminator the war we saw in flashbacks

[@arbiter8246]

Most of us do not care if it's CGI or practical as long as it doesn't take us out of the movie.

[@felixstefant5355]

But there are also other forms of Aliens or species,I don’t understand why they are not playing with imagination,since 30 years we play the same scenario

[@wereoctopus]

Sometimes in a movie franchise, a bad film will cause the *next* film to be a box office flop, even if said next film is arguably an improvement. e.g. I would argue Justice League (the theatrical cut) bombed because Batman v. Superman was so off-putting to moviegoers. Justice League was certainly not a great film, but it might have performed better if it wasn't following up such a dour, pretentious mess. I think the same is true for Alien: Covenant. I certainly didn't bother seeing it in theatres, because Prometheus was such a let-down.

[@chrisf8097]

It must be disheartening to see a lot of your hard work on the practical effects removed from the final cut.

[@VolkovVelikan]

I liked this film I don’t understand the backlash

[@ParisLawLess]

Lets go

[@kenzboard]

need a sequel so i can see walter get his revenge

[@_GeneralMechanics_]

It's a shame the movie was a disappointing mess but the effort on the props and sets was amazing. I would love to see a full length documentary on what it took to create David's lab alone.

[@damoncurrie7103]

Are you doing alien isolation

[@excessivegrot2643]

Love it. Sure I have my own problems with it but it’s easily third in the series for me