The Dark Side Doesn't Make Sense

[@B-Roll_Gaming]

"Tell Emperor Palpatine that. It could really help him out with his plans." It was you. It was you all along.

[@JasmineEdison]

"Tell Disney. I want them to know it was me."

[@CNWhatImSaiyan]

Finn: *“REY, PLEASE DON’T LEAVE ME HERE! **_THERE MOKE BE SNOKES!!😭”_*

[@mopanda81]

@@CNWhatImSaiyan Rey: "I'm tired of all these motherfucking snokes on this motherfucking Exegol."

[@smashypeople]

"The emperor could really use that cloning device for his plan" A whole year before episode 9. Daamn. Good job

[@KumaPaws376]

smashypeople I loved this

[@pokexchespin012302]

smashypeople 3 whole years before actually

[@Demo5]

Hope they didn't see this ..I would not want to blame .

[@annoyingewok]

The Emperor cloned himself in the old Expanded universe

[@rockyseverino9230]

Yeah but 25 years after he did it in the dark horse comics

[@thelexicon7294]

"But what if you're a sith and you feel passionately sad?" DID YOU MEAN: Anakin Skywalker

[@willowarkan2263]

Yeah, but that gets channeled pretty quickly into rage, maybe some passionate productive grief would be nice. Idk try and understand what cultural or economic reasons lead to tusken raids being a thing in the first place and attempting to solve those issue in order to prevent such tragedies from repeating. If done right that might even make a compelling movie. If nothing else it might make for a funny scene when he informs the jedi order that he is going to stay on tatooine to solve it's geopolitical issues.

[@Riprake]

"So the moral of this story is... kill your girlfriend."

[@jajajinks1569]

The sand is so... rough. And it gets everywhere.

[@SWDSip]

Willow Arkan r/whooosh

[@CaligulaInvictus]

Anakin Skywalker was an exception to the no girlfriend rule too.

[@TheMagicalPinata]

My favourite part about the Sith "Rule of Two" is that one wrong atmospheric re-entry and the Sith would have been completely wiped out.

[@nightblade3709]

Jedi Council: Another happy landing

[@CappyK]

It's important to remember that the Rule of Two came from ol' George Lucas's prequels. The books that he got royalties from but I guess never read had clear Jedi family traditions where father's would train their sons, Jedi Mothers had a special bond with their Jedi babies, and planets even had their own Jedi customs and traditions. The Sith seemed to change often. Sometimes it was a whole civilisation of Dark Side users, sometimes it was a self styled Sith Lord from a Jedi gone wrong. It sort of made sense in the way that terrorism and corruption can take different forms as well, whether it's the murdering of Caeser or the rise of the Fuhrer. Then GL rolls out with the idea that Jedi are Catholic monks, Obi Wan's comfortable desert robes were actually the straight up uniform of the Jedi, and the Sith have a Rule of Two which I guess was meant to set up a thing where we'd kill off the apprentices in the movies and the final movie would be Anakin stepping into the spot. OoOoOOooo. But also... dumb. And didn't even stay true! Palpatine and Vader seem to have had Hands and Inquisitors and all kinds of masked, red lightsaber wielding mini Sith. So is it just that the Jedi Council has 12 and the Sith have two, but they both have an army of Force blue collars that work under them?

[@TheMagicalPinata]

@@CappyK they even break the rule of two in the prequels. Palpatine had Maul while he was still an apprentice to Plageus

[@Cryogenius333]

@@TheMagicalPinata Maul wasn't actually a sith. Iirc Maul never actually used the force in the prequels. He was a sith assassin, not an actual apprentice. Which was basically a "hack" to the rule of two.

[@ske2010]

@@Cryogenius333 I can confirm that Maul did use the force in The Phantom Menace.

[@lilliahpasco]

I really like the idea of someone being really strong with the force but not wanting to be involved with the actual politics of the force so they just use the force to do mediocre magic tricks and maybe use mind tricks to convince their friend to let them crash on their couch or something. Very unenthusiastic uses of the force.

[@chadschmaltz9790]

There is someone who matches the first half of your description: Kyle Katarn. He has force powers but wants nothing to do with it or the jedi so he works as a mercenary. Eventually he has to come to terms with his powers which is kinda interesting.

[@Lyoko1309]

​@@chadschmaltz9790 There's no chin under Kyle Katarn's beard, just another Bryar pistol.

[@GB-sh9st]

Pretty brilliant character idea... like if the Big Lebowski was a Jedi Master

[@Jabadamazo]

KOTOR 2 sort of tackles this topic? The main villain is a character that has been shunned by both the light and dark side and is done with the whole "politics" of the force and just wants it to die. It's such a fucking great idea and it's an endless shame they didn't get enough time to really finish the game.

[@moongem4489]

This sounds like if Taako from The Adventure Zone was in Star Wars.

[@stuflames4769]

I like Palpatine because he's the Sith that seems intensely happy. Most Sith just seem miserable, and serious. It seems like they don't really like themselves, and dont have any goals except power for power's sake. Palpatine... Palpatine loves his life. Palpatine is doing exactly what he wants to do, and is exactly who he wants to be.

[@flipflopzthreeonethree1873]

He's just out here living his best life

[@fossilfighters101]

+

[@Shad0wmoses]

you know now that you mention it, Palpy isnt such a bad dude.

[@jakubsedlak2173]

Yep, He's a great role model for kids, if you ask me.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

That is legitimately one of the reasons, Darth Sidious is so powerful. He is a happy sadist, with zero empathy. That gives you an advantage in the dark side.

[@cronotis]

2016 Jenny: "Someone should tell Palpatine about the cloning thing." 2019 Jenny: "Oh no! What have I done?"

[@mikakestudios5891]

Her sarcasm was too powerful.

[@pentbot]

As she said "I dug my own grave, with my funnies."

[@TheAnimeAlliance]

I ruined your 666 likes

[@MC-pt8kv]

@@pentbot I mean, he cloned himself in legends too.

[@estebanrodriguez5409]

I was hoping for this comment

[@KingOfMilfgaard]

The thing I actually think is hilarious about the rule of two is that it implies that literally every sith since Bane has hated the Jedi so much and been so incredibly petty about destroying the Jedi that they are willing to sacrifice their lives for it

[@micahwright5901]

Well if there’s a line all the way through, you probably don’t get in unless you’re on board.

[@SeviathTheHumanDrago]

Not petty. The jedi caused some direct form of tragedy upon them or the republic did. Darth Bane himself was forced to become a soldier after killing a republic soldier after winning a gambling game, his apprentice used the dark side to kill 2 jedi that killed her friend and she hated them, her apprentice has already a morally ambiguous professional Assassin she was just looking for a higher purpose and the Sith gave her one. All Sith go in with the Knowledge that whatever their master can do, they will also be able to do one day. Since competition, individuality, and strife are encouraged among Sith they will often go on their own missions to recover more knowledge suitable to overthrow the master and the master does the same to defend from the apprentice.

[@arx3516]

Self destructiveness is what Sith are all about.

[@amitthehuman]

I love the implication that there's a Jedi and a sith out there who equally don't give much of a shit about it.

[@SeviathTheHumanDrago]

@@amitthehuman Jolee Bindo on the Jedi, Darth Marr for the Sith. 2 old republic characters in one of those MMORPG's that canonically are exactly like you say.

[@lukeshdoesntknow]

"Hey guys we're racist now so, um, just keep that in mind going forward" - Emperor Palpatine

[@slyfer60]

He picked it up living on Naboo.

[@Novasky2007]

Meeesa nooolike dat

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

My guess is that since they're the inverse of the Jedi and the Jedi aren't racist, they had to be racist, they're hands were tied it was the only option.

[@dstinnettmusic]

@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 thus, Sith are always nude.

[@ally939]

@@dstinnettmusic and as fear is a path to the dark side, that means the Sith are always Naked and Afraid (and Racist)

[@TheBleeeeeeeh]

count dooku is a silver fox how dare you

[@durnsidh6483]

Agreed

[@yerdasellsavon9232]

Signature look of superiority

[@tiberiushazo6326]

Count Dooku isn’t technically a Sith, just a Dark Side user, same with Asajj Ventress. Also Kylo Ren. The Force is weird.

[@durnsidh6483]

@@tiberiushazo6326 Nope, canonically he is a Sith; Darth Tyrannus. It's just that no one calls him that outside of a few scenes in Attack of the Clones.

[@theautisticguitarist7560]

@@durnsidh6483 presumably because he picked it when he was twelve and can't change it and is really embarrassed by it.

[@carlyrussell8461]

We need a Monsters Inc style revelation that happiness actually makes you stronger than being angry and all the Sith frollick around singing while murdering armies of Jedi with ease

[@KLil37]

This Put Very Funny Images Into My Head

[@kawinkawin]

That actually sounds like it could be scarier than angry slaughter. Like, imagine your just a normal Jedi, and some guy is just having the time of his life butchering your friends with a deranged smile. I'd GTFO real fast

[@highlander2319]

@@kawinkawin basically tf2 Pyro

[@StarlitJasmine]

@@kawinkawin literally Palpatine

[@babgab]

That makes sense in the lore, actually. The Dark Side isn't anger, it's *passion*.

[@judy9035]

“Most of the Dark siders look like hideous gruesome monsters.” Shows Christopher Lee, a real human man among grotesque fantasy wotsits

[@timelessnugget]

Is joke

[@GeorgisTrying]

a fabulous carnal being among wotsits

[@yaburu]

As I understand it, it's because Dooku never fully gave himself into the Dark Side. So he didn't suffer the disfigurement that other Dark Side users did.

[@somewhatstrange2097]

Well, he does look a lot like Dracula.

[@nickfabender1008]

@@somewhatstrange2097 But this Dracula seems quite charming. Someone should invite him to a party some time

[@lilliebuchanan5861]

You know, a cool Sith would be someone who is passionately afraid. Like, their whole life they were beaten and tormented and walked on, so their purpose of turning evil is to gain power so they never feel that way again, and if anyone tries to stop them they freak, lash out and are viciously powerful due to their deep, innate fear of subjugation. So if they're ever cornered in some way they because unnaturally powerful. That'd be really cool. And the possible redemption would be cool too, like maybe they realize they're doing the same thing to others as was done to them, and the good guys are like "No dude we'll have a pizza party and sing camp fire songs" and they learn to control that fear instead of feed into it. Then they become a powerful peace loving Jedi who learns to take their own power from themselves rather than from others. Or they die afraid. And dramatically. Then we'd be sad for them.

[@RenaDeles]

....a sith like Anakin, then?

[@TheRandomEpicVideos]

@@RenaDeles Yeah, kinda, but I don't think his days as a slave were too traumatic for him. He was free to do all kinds of shit like pod racing and building C3PO

[@yomyom1576]

Lillie Buchanan your describing bane

[@boianko]

The core Sith emotions are anger, hate and fear. It's not a novel concept, most Sith are heavily motivated by fear - Anakin feared losing Padme which drove him to the Dark Side, Plagueis feared being killed which drove him to discover the power of immortality, Palpatine feared not being in control of everything which drove him to weaken Vader with a faulty suit and take over the Galaxy. Hell, even Kylo Ren is motivated by the fear of his uncle killing him and the fear of living in the shadow of his predecessors. As Master Yoda once said: "Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

[@aimlessf]

So we have Ezra now

[@TheOrderofDylan]

The idea that Palpatine only recruited Anakin for his looks is just gold. GG Jenny. GG.

[@JCResDoc94]

UK is no longer going to be canon in the EU

[@AVerySillySausage]

-_-

[@Chipiliro613]

This is what I call a 'deep cut comment'

[@michaelschonhofen622]

XD

[@anonb4632]

Scotland is no longer going to be canon in the UK. If it ever truly was.

[@anonb4632]

@hoganply Why do you assume Scottish independence is about being in the EU? Plenty of people support one but not the other. England isn't just our relative kin, it's been attacking Scotland in some form or another for nearly 1500 years.

[@TheSadowdragonGroup]

It should be noted that Palpatine actually broke the line of the Rules of Two because he was like “I don’t actually give a fuck about creating the hypothetical Perfect Sith, I just want to rule the galaxy”

[@oludipebolusere6085]

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who thought this

[@ally939]

Girlboss behavior

[@mariehelene6872]

"Maybe he (Palpatine) didn't know cloning technology existed. Maybe someone should let him now that that is a possibility." He knows now. Sadly.

[@minutemovies2766]

Akfownfkakfk

[@butteredtoast8666]

You know what Jenny Im 100% sure that the dark side doesn’t have a Human Resources department

[@mavnalysse]

I don't know why not. HR is the most evil thing out there!

[@Ninjaananas]

Darth Squidward abolished it.

[@narcopsy]

Treating humans as being merely resources seems pretty evil to me

[@jackjones298]

This is you literally setting up the _Rise of Skywalker_ three years early. Except don't kill your gf, resurrect her instead.

[@minutemovies2766]

Ugh

[@eidechsentyp1236]

Dark Empire calls, it wants its cloning ideas back

[@caesertullo1824]

They stole Jenny's idea about palpatine clones and then fucked up the story anyways because as I've been saying for years, PEOPLE NEED TO HIRE THIS WOMAN.

[@tretretre1111]

It's been a thing in the EU.

[@Duothimir]

The comics did it decades ago.

[@caesertullo1824]

@@tretretre1111 Yeah, zero money to collect comics sadly. I try to keep up with the EU lore but I'll miss out on things here or there. I guess even people who can affotd a comics hobby have that problem.

[@wankertanker1813]

Should pay royalties

[@biophype]

​@@tretretre1111I can't believe the European Union would do this

[@protonjones54]

No wonder why fanboys get such a hard-on for the whole "grey Jedi" concept, because they can make for an interesting character that doesn't fall under the category of either annoyingly self-righteous or nonsensically evil.

[@FreakDaMIghet]

And what’s funny is that George Lucas has gone out of his way to state that Grey Jedi aren’t a real thing. He was like “Grey Jedi? That’s like being a Grey Police Officer. I uphold the law by breaking all the laws.” That isn’t an exact quote, but I remember him saying something like that.

[@alextrill5829]

So... Batman? Grey Jedi are Batman? Good job, George, you made Grey Jedi even cooler.

[@Blurns]

Grey Jedi is the simple power fantasy of "I want all the powers, but none of the responsibilities that go with them."

[@fightingmedialounge519]

But again, that's like calling yourself a grey police officer. You can't call yourself something that is defined by a large number of rules by breaking most of them.

@@fightingmedialounge519 lol its a moniker. You can call yourself a grey police officer all you want if there's a group of you doing it following a different set of rules. Its like Justice Democrats - a political wing of the Dems focused on removing bad Dems from office and replacing them with progressive dems. Are you going to get all twisted up that they have Democrats in their name and so can't be different than democrats AT ALL, or realize that when there's a modifier word it might be a different thing? There are literally dozens of examples of things with similar names that grow from the earlier thing into something different. Its...essentially how language works in a general sense. And fine if you want to keep parroting that because Lucas said it but doesn't mean it was smart when he said it, or when you repeat it. This is the man who wanted Ep 9 to happen on a microscopic level and be a battle between good and evil midiclorians. Maybe we stop pretending his brain is functional at this point. George Lucas made a petty, dumb comment about something he didn't have the intelligence to create because he was busy making the 2 least believable factions in fiction history, "super pure space monks who devote their lives to what they absolutely fail at in the prequels" and "bond villains with superpowers"

[@IloveGorgeousGeorge]

*Memo: RE: ALL: Hey guys, we're racist now. Sincerely, Bad Guy Boss*

[@harrymon0]

This is the best Dilbert strip I have ever read!

[@СергейАшимов-я8ш]

Got some bad news...Palpatine figured out the whole cloning thing.

[@Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet]

Sorta.

[@Chillerll]

He watched the video

[@judeconnor-macintyre9874]

@@Chillerll Nah, he just read Dark Empire.

[@minnie7453]

in so many stories the bad guys seem soooo miserable i’m like why is this their goal? like in HP when Voldemort and everyone are sitting at that dank dark gross table and everyone is so on edge and he’s just murdering people in front of them. i’m always like ew this party sucks i don’t believe anybody wants to be here. i mean maybe at that point they’re just trapped. they’re all like “ooooh these vibes are wayy off i expected this to be a lot more fun”

[@rooty]

That's sort of the point of the whole scene

[@carybabka]

@@rooty But it does also beg the question, wasn't this guy just as much of a dick last time? Like, why would you go *back* to the bad house party the next weekend/incarnation as a snake faced demon god?

[@baintreachas]

It feels unrealistic but IRL neonazis are also boring, gross, and miserable

[@stevenhuxley2866]

The Knights of the Old Republic games explored this well. At one point, you go to a Sith Jedi training facility, where everyone is encouraged to be evil to each other. By the end of that sequence, the trainers end up betraying each other and everyone kills each other. Clearly an unsustainable system.

[@JennyNicholson]

Steven Huxley A comedy film about a sith school would write itself

[@r.p.4756]

Jenny Nicholson call it : saved by the jedi! also that is the catchline, every time the comic relief gets in trouble and is saved by a jedi that is what he says. also fucking halarious video!

[@Cristian-ld6ew]

Steven Huxley It'd be a good reason as to why Valkorion left the sith empire.

[@Drachensingsang]

Steven Huxley They tried, but I was quicker. :P

[@FistOfJeff]

Steven Huxley - It makes a bit more sense than the rule of two thing though. I'm guessing it was set up to try to turn neutral force using recruits to the darkside by isolating them and making it so only the strongest and most ruthless graduated. It strengthens the darkside as a whole but runs the high likelihood some of the new Sith will try to betray the existing order.

[@nikkovalidor4890]

"it would be funny" Is actually all the reasoning a dark side user ever needs

[@boianko]

"You know I think it's funny how..." ~Kylo Karren

[@voxvire2350]

DID YOU JUST CALL CHRISTOPHER LEE A "HIDEOUS MONSTER"!!!?

[@timrose9826]

She did 😂

[@snowcrash512]

Nobody ever respects Darth Dookie and his crooked "hilt"

[@pattongilbert]

I mean. Dracula.

[@zodiark111]

Why else was he cast as all the monsters?

[@noelleward5073]

My theory about why the Sith are so weird us that most of them are either fallen Jedi or learn from people who are. So they've internalized this super over the top evil idea of what the dark side is and try to pursue that instead of being powered by friendship or love or whatever (even though that would be a way better sales pitch).

[@yardship]

darksiders are tradcaths basically

[@baintreachas]

@@yardshipYOU PUT IT INTO WORDS

[@DeanMachine16]

LOL. "Heyy... Why do the Jedi keep beating us? Oh, it's cause they have lots of people... and we have two." Sith logic.

[@Prince_the_One]

MeanGreen lol well the Sith were fighting themselves all the time when there were more than two of them at a time.

[@TheAltair2012]

I remember hearing somewhere( a reddit post I assume) that said that each side had a finite pool of energy/The Force to work with on bother the light and dark side. That's why the rule of two was a thing, because with only two force users allowed on the dark side, they are so much more powerful. It's also why the Jedi lost so easily in the prequels(force was spread too thin across dozens of jedi). I have no idea if that is canon, but I thought it explains a lot about some things

[@TheJarric]

@@TheAltair2012 old canon reason for rule of 2 was back stabbing syndrome and due it some sith didint teach evything to protect them self

[@TheAltair2012]

@@TheJarric ahh okay, thanks, maybe it was fan theory I'd heard of that had that "less hands in the cookie jar" idea of the force hahaha. The backstabbing makes sense though, cheers.

[@TheJarric]

@@TheAltair2012 yeah bane learned his teacher had lied about light saber technigues due back stabbing leaving more potent out of students reach so he coud beat em other reason for rule of 2 was it was easier to teach one student than classes bane likened it to poison more knowlage student has more powerful the dark side grows in student this might be reason why they thought it has finite pool

[@smartwizardst1]

The moment you realize you predicted clone Palpatine THREE YEARS before The Rise Of Skywalker.

[@fyrefrost1898]

I know right, I thought for sure that "someone should really tell Palpatine" bit had to be a nod to that but nope, this was years before tros was even a thing

[@davidv4018]

Palpatine and cloning is old as the 90s

[@Nejvyn]

Yeah, and noboby liked it back then either

[@juanpablogonzalez19]

"Trough Passion, I gain Strength" Through Strength, I gain power Trough power, I Skip Around" the original code of the sith

[@Novasky2007]

Skip to naboo my darth-ling

[@scienceface8884]

"Beggars can't be choosers."

[@Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet]

We hold hands and skip, and the world will know fear.

[@brigui22]

Trough lol

[@wesleyoldham4222]

"Do you get a really nice recruitment bonus?" Yes. The Dark Side has cookies. There was a whole ad campaign about it.

[@NateSocrates]

"There's someone for everyone" HAHAHAHAHA

[@coltonphillips7348]

Nate Socrates Not for me!

[@wolfieinu]

+Colton Phillips I cri evertiem

[@coltonphillips7348]

Wolfie Inu Me too

[@Badguy260]

There is, but the world is so big you may never find her, probably don't even speak the same language

[@wolfieinu]

Badguy260 If I'm racist, do I ensure that the one for me is within reach in that regard?

[@scarletb8274]

The Dark Side offers the better pension plan and an extra week vacation.

[@radiofrog]

Also a better 401k plan, stock options, and health insurance with free dental. It's a tough offer to pass up

[@tomroberts915]

ScarletB but to they have dental?

[@ravissary79]

Tom Roberts clearly not... have you seen Palatine's teeth?

[@clintmack3286]

and free Guacamole

[@smittenthekitteninmittens2679]

but no guard rails on the death star...shoddy health and saftey..

[@OolTube02]

The Empire was racist because it would have been too expensive to put a lot of actors into alien makeup. Heck, they couldn't even afford to have a lot of non-British actors fill the roles.

[@vaiyt]

And even then the speciesism and sexism of the Empire was retrofitted in by EU authors who noticed the implications.

[@SugaryCoyote]

Were the Mon Calamari specist because they tended to have Mon Calamari serving on their ships?

[@greenbrickbox3392]

@@SugaryCoyote if the mon calamari had a galaxy wide empire and the only people in power were mon calamari then yes they likely would be.

[@SugaryCoyote]

soapsudbud The Rebellion spanned the galaxy and they only had human fighter pilots.

[@greenbrickbox3392]

@@SugaryCoyote that's not true, they had a couple of alien pilots in ROTJ, and more in the new trilogy and the expanded universe stuff. I assume the actual trilogy had budget issues which is why it wasnt shown, as opposed to them having an actual explicit policy of racism which the empire had towards non-humans.

[@ohlambert3562]

I honestly admire how Jenny is able to see all of the flaws in Star Wars universe, but still loves it.

[@IllegalHelios]

see what now? she completely misunderstood all of star wars and made a video applying real world woke culture to it.

[@christhethinker6791]

@@IllegalHelios Sure chud

[@RightHandElf]

@@IllegalHelios I didn't realize "it's dumb to train someone with the sole purpose of them killing you" was woke.

[@baintreachas]

@@IllegalHeliosLMAO because she’s a woman or because she used to word “racism”?

[@badger6882]

Bro replied to a 2 year old comment on a 7 year old video💀

[@sdaniels160]

I always thought if a Sith Lord and his trainee died on the same plane, the dark side is completely screwed.

[@TheOutsider69]

Darth Malgus actually made a lot of the same points you're making, which is why he attempted a coup to seize control of the Empire during The Old Republic era and even became Emperor for a short time. He spoke about the inherent flaw of the Sith, how the infighting never stops, how the Empire's racism makes them weaker by ignoring aliens that could be useful, etc... So yeah, all of those flaws are canon -- or, well, legends canon. P.s. The events I described happened about 30 years after the "Deceived" novel, during the events of Star Wars: The Old Republic MMO. P.p.s. Cloning force users was incredibly difficult. Starkiller was the only successful Galen Marek clone, the rest either didn't have force powers or came out all jacked up.

[@gutenstagl]

Didn't Palpatine have like a zillion clones of himself tho?

[@ThoraniosX]

Palpatine had bodies to possess via the Living Force.

[@technomancermagus8357]

He jumped bodies to clones so many times it was becoming a problem. The copy of a copy of a copy problem.

[@katieell4084]

TechnoMancer Magus You know when you make a copy of a copy... and it doesn't come out as sharp as the original? "I have a wallet. I can drive a car."

[@KrillLiberator]

Matt Ell I can hear rushing water...

[@timogul]

It's just Palpatine that's racist. He's from Naboo, think about it, Naboo is just humans, and Gungan, if the only aliens you grew up with were Gungan, you might be racist too.

[@RoNiNKSpCtre]

I like Gungans more than most, but that is really funny.

[@chriswiltse2281]

your comment puts me in the state of mind that confuses me to anger which led to hate bla bla dark side.

[@brainplay8060]

Except that he's worked with many other races and has aliens on his personal staff. His absolute confidant was an alien and stayed on his staff until his end according to the new canon. So the racist/speciest theory kind of gets blown out of the water. In fact the whole anti-alien sentiment was only present in the old Expanded Universe books and no where in the movies or what is considered canon today.

[@timogul]

Oh? How many aliens did you see on the staff of the empire in the movies?

[@brainplay8060]

Tim Ogul In the original movies, none since we only saw 5 advisors in all of the movies. In the prequels, 3 close staff members including Mas Amedda who not only was the senior advisor to Chancellor Palpatine but knew he secret of being a Sith. Then there is the elephant in the room which is Darth Maul being not only an alien but a potential successor to Palpatine. You don't take on an apprentice that you see as always being inferior. That makes no sense at all even from a torture standpoint.

[@sourpatchghoul]

Star wars is the only universe where you get made fun of for having a girlfriend

[@edwardmedina1236]

ROFL

[@davidstinger1134]

"UNVIRGINS BEGONE, THIS IS A FOREVER ALONE-CHAD GALAXY"

[@lowlypeasant]

Vader can choke his own men from thousands of miles away, yet chooses lightsaber duels with his enemies.

[@smexydude756]

yea never thought about that wtf lol

[@papinkelman7695]

PaulTurbo it would be a boring movie

[@vara202]

PaulTurbo to choke someone he has to know where they are so he knows where to apply the pressure. So he has to sense someone, which means they're also a force user and can counter his choking, or he has to have a video feed of them. It's not like Vader is going to just choke random life sources or even random points in space and hope one of them is an important enemy.

[@donnellebarfield3964]

force mind control and force choke require alot of energy to use also most people are resistant to those moves as long as they are not weak willer

[@KittyBoom360]

force users can resist force powers, so his enemies with force abilities require more...

[@wocathoden]

I think that the Sith lords took apprentices to use them as errand boys before sending them on a suicide mission. I believe the emperor sent Vader on many suicide missions, but Vader kept coming back. At least that's how I would do it if I were a Sith Lord.

[@mikearaujo377]

They followed the rule of two, knowing that one day their apprentice would turn on them. The question is whether the apprentice would beat the master.

[@gogroxandurrac]

Palpatine had already abandoned the Rule of Two when he trained Vader, as shown by the fact that he was in charge of Dooku(who had his own apprentice in addition to Grevious) and Anakin at the same time. It's even more obvious when Vader tells Starkiller that if they work together they'd be able to kill Palpatine, which is as much an insult to Bane's system as humanly possible.

[@averyplotts1499]

Mike araujo

[@averyplotts1499]

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[@TheTheode]

+Ty Fletcher Palpatine told Anakin to kill dooku so he could take him on as an apprentice.

[@Grim_Beard]

Palpatine having a huge army of cloned Sith? That would _never_ happen.....

[@WaketheFallen131]

love the use of “the darksider community” like it’s a sith fandom bc yeah lol

[@ToaOfGallifrey]

I can't take Exar Kun seriously because of his name. I just imagine him as a harem anime protag. "It's not like I want to duel you or anything, baka Exar-kun!"

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

Desperately trying to seperate those two fandoms in my head.

[@Khemist82]

Now I want a harem anime with Exar Kun or Naga Sadow.

[@SorowFame]

What have you done? Now I'm imagining this and I hate it.

[@elijahjaco1638]

“ so i can write fanfic about them”

[@flimpeenflarmpoon1353]

I think Darth Vader was passionately sad and self loathing.

[@icedregulah694]

nice profile picture i like it

[@trombonegamer14]

Yes but he had to keep it hidden lol

[@Necroskull388]

Yeah, this is something that’s implied in the films as the saga goes on and his story gets more fleshed out, but really becomes explicit in the expanded universe. The comics have some nice operatic and pulpy moments of Darth Vader showing that the endless well of hatred that grants him his mastery over the dark side is totally inward-focused.

[@nonotachance7935]

Yes, he really was. He was severely depressed and his suit had him in constant, severe pain. His power comes from hatred of himself.

[@nicm9600]

The idea of a site being powerful due to his passionate love for someone could be a really cool idea. His love interest is killed to supposedly weaken him and he becomes infinitely more powerful. Coincidentally this is also the plot of John wick lol

[@Sean-dm8ez]

"Leave them in the comments so I can... write fan fiction about them." Good to know where your head's at Jenny.

[@jrt99b]

Sean Loughran Fan fiction doesn't necessarily equal slash fiction.

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

fanfic is always slash and ships and tits and dicks

[@kappaross6124]

Sean Loughran Good to know that her head's in the right place.

[@bullterrier7191]

Phobe Laxu That's what YOU read, things like DXD, Maken Ki, or some shit like that.

[@transsexual_computer_faery]

I was being hyperbolic. I don't think i've read more than 3 fanfics in my entire life.

[@klhx]

"There's someone for everyone" That part gave me hope and broke my heart all at once.

[@GrimgoreIronhide]

Power is the strongest aphrodisiac.

[@beepbeepboop931]

“He’s the only one with a girlfriend, they’re basically married” awww “Then he kills her” Oh

[@boianko]

I mean, Anakin was kind of like that as well though wasn't he?

[@Thindorama]

FutureCreator No, because he dated her as a Jedi. And basically the whole relationship was with him as a Jedi.

[@CaligulaInvictus]

@@Thindorama Was killing all the younglings and contracting jaundice eyes not sith enough for you?

[@Thindorama]

Caligula That was at the end. Days from the end literally if I’m not mistaken.

[@CaligulaInvictus]

@@Thindorama still counts.

[@malachiXX]

Jenny, this is late in coming but if you want a really good insight into the Sith, you should read 'Darth Bane". He was possibly the most altruistic Sith there ever was. He followed the rule of 2 more closely than any other Sith and this is explaiined quite clearly in the series and why. Palpatine didn't follow it at all. I hope you give it a shot. It's well worth the read.

[@nwah4lyfe486]

Best EU books

[@timothymclean]

The Light Side doesn't make much more sense. It's a weird blend of generic good-guy traits, just as the Dark Side is a weird blend of generic bad-guy traits. But the Light Side also has some other odd elements thrown in, like an apparent resistance to change (even positive change) and...being okay with _mind control?_ It all makes them seem less like a bunch of pure good guys and more like a religious order whose religion is built around a vague heroic ideal. Which makes lines like "Only Sith deal in absolutes" make that much more sense. And it fits well into the whole denial-of-emotions thing.

[@scienceandponies]

That's cause that's what the Jedi are. A religious order of acetic pseudo-pacifist monks, prone towards meditative navel gazing and condescending lecturing . The Sith on the other hand, are a bunch of hyper individualistic, might makes right social darwinists (the very fact that you can't stop me from murdering you and taking your shit means you deserve it) whose dual motivations are the accumulation of power for its own sake, and sticking it to the Jedi out of pure spite based on a thousands of years old religious schism over what is and is not the proper way to use the force (emotionally repressed serenity or unleashed passions).

[@jakerockznoodles]

Granted I haven't really delved into the EU, but my understanding was that there wasn't a "light side" per se, and that the "dark side" was more of way of describing how you could be seduced into abusing your power.

[@ashrobin55]

@@jakerockznoodles that was the original intent, yeah. THat shit got muddy REAL quick though.

[@moongem4489]

scienceandponies I love this comment

[@notnotkavi]

The Jedi represent classical liberalism (centrist norm-enforcers) pretty directly in the prequels. They are too arrogant and disinterested to prevent the rise of fascism in the dark side. But also anyone who tries to fight fascism with an exercise is prone to helping it. Honestly I don't think any political ideology is presented positively in Star wars, especially the prequels.

[@tragicallyhypno3158]

Hey, you put up Count Dooku as a gruesome monster, and I would like to say that Christopher Lee is an incredibly sexy man and doesn't deserve to be on that list.

[@jcspoon573]

She also said emphatically, "most". He was THE exception.

[@advocatusdiaboli9971]

@@jcspoon573 He was THE *male* exception. Afaik, all female sith look very attractive^^

[@Bubblegob]

dude, he's literally Dracula.

[@BeukendaalMason]

Well... have you seen Dooku's teeth? Very British.

[@GenerationWest]

In the EU, Sidious DID clone himself, and you know what... It was terrible.

[@Darkness7508]

TheGenerationWest Story wise or character wise?

[@justenoughtrope6724]

Dark Empire comics...not as good as I remember...

[@GenerationWest]

Darkness7508 All of the above.

[@JBaughb]

Best part of those comics now, looking back on them, is the cover art. Story was mediocre.

[@AudieHolland]

It was called "Dark Empire." And Luke turned dark too I guess. But I never read it.

[@TrueYellowDart]

I thought she said “Vaders can’t be choosers” and I liked that a lot.

[@draxiss1577]

Oh, and you talk about happiness-based Sith . . . did you even watch Palpatine cackling maniacally in his fight with Yoda? He was having the time of his life!

[@moonshine588]

So if you can clone a force user, maybe the specific force genes can be isolated and identified. So using gene therapy, maybe you can give anyone force powers. Does CRISPR exist in that universe?

[@avatareternal3204]

It's been several years since I've read it but I believe a family of nobles tried that on the planet Vjun. Can't recall the details but it didn't work and everyone involved in the experiments went insane.

[@jeremyanderson3819]

@@avatareternal3204 yeah that's what happens, usually, when you clone a force user also.

[@redvelvetunderground]

u mean midichlorians?

[@SuperShyerGuy]

I kind of like the idea of the Sith recruiting Jedi out of spite. Like, "Hey, I'm evil, and I wanna be a dick, so I'm going to try and corrupt this Jedi." It's pretty much what Palpatine was doing in Episode VI, so I guess there's basis...

[@RHR199X]

I always hated how a villain keeps asking someone to join the dark side, as they aim hurt everyone their opponent cares about and make it so easy for them to absolutely hate their opponent. Is it hope that that they’ll become "darksidey" by getting too angry and suddenly turn on their motivations for no reason? I’m pretty people don’t commit character suicide and switch to their sworn enemies faction because they feel too strongly about their situation. In fact it’s incredibly stupid to even consider in the first place.

[@wesleywallace4426]

They are blinded by their own anger and hate from the Dark Side cocktail making them lash out anything and when they fight back it's a vicious cycle as it's you against the world with the exception of your "ally".

[@TheSpaceCommunist]

Palpatine gets a pass here because in RotJ he didn’t just ask Luke to suddenly be evil, he actively tried to gaslight him the whole way through. It wasn’t “oh hey you should be evil, wanna join me?” it was “your friends are dying and deep down you are as evil as your father, you don’t have a choice so just give up.”

[@jaschabull2365]

Yeah, it basically seems to be more of a means of discrediting the Jedi to make their faith waver by rousing their emotions to the point that it makes it seem quelling them is impossible, and hopefully thereby drive a wedge between them and the Jedi, leaving them with no one to turn to, thus at the very least, meddling with the unity of the opposing faction. Like, Palpatine was perfectly happy to be killed by Luke if it meant that act of rage cost him his connection to the good side of the Force, and presumably his chance at felling the Empire with it. Even if Luke didn't decide to be a full-blown Sith, or even a Storm Trooper, he'd have his morale wrecked by breaking his code, possibly costing him his ability to succeed in the long run.

[@chamomilehasgoogle5266]

I once heard someone explain this for Emperor Palpatine, specifically, as Palpatine being full of hubris and assuming that he had become some kind of Force God of Darkness, so anyone who fell to the Dark Side would inevitably come to serve him. Like, Darth Vader hated Palpatine and was constantly trying to recruit Luke to the Dark Side for the purpose of killing Palpatine and taking over, and yet Vader remained Palpatine's obedient lapdog up until the moment he turned away from the Dark Side completely, and Palpatine had convinced himself this was an inherent property of the Dark Side and not a quirk of the specific circumstances of Anakin Skywalker's fall. I like that explanation. It's a shame no one, y'know, put it in any of the actual movies.

[@davidlindsey6111]

It honestly shares a lot of things with criminal grooming. The idea is to break them down psychologically and then mold them into something else.

[@SpaceP1rate]

*A bitter comment about something in the EU you overlooked*

[@RomeTWguy]

Valkorion not only had a gf while being the sith emperor, but 3 kids as well

[@sollbruchstelleamknicklich9495]

and all his kids are fucked up maniacs...even for sith or darkside users or whatever i lost my interest in this subject since the game turns out to be shit after the release of the third expansion

[@RomeTWguy]

Asyhlt 666 you would be fucked up as well if your dad was a 1300 year old force entity planning on galactic annihilation

[@patrickbrown859]

Yeah, but their dad was still cool. idk

[@RomeTWguy]

***** lmao most of mainstream sw fans haven't even heard of revan.

[@atomiicpunk]

Except Revan SUUUUUCKED.. Cool in KOTOR 1.. Because he was a reflection of your own choices. All the rest was just pure crap. And, about Kotor being "The number one SW Game of Years"... Is complete bull.. Some would argue the Battlefront series was the "Number 1", the some would claim It's the Jedi Academy games, then you'll have those who say It's the Force Unleashed games.. You've got zero proof of that claim lol.

[@gibbons2012]

Malgus feeling "intense" love wasnt a form of passion down the road, it calmed his other emotions making him a weaker sith. Killing her allowed him to feel so much anger towards himself and his own order that down the road he rebelled towards traditional sith teachings and became stronger through his passion towards being a singular entity of the dark side. Making a huge sacrifice so that his mind was inherently unstable and thus could feel stronger feelings without being grounded by his lover. Its kinda dumb yeah but I see how it works in their loosely explain universe lol

[@oh-not-the-bees7872]

The fuck are you even on about

[@gibbons2012]

@@oh-not-the-bees7872 uhh its been awhile but re reading what i put im guessing i was explaining something about Darth Malgus from the EU

[@flosama007]

you: "Basically, if you're a force user, you just have no good options" me: "That's what Kreia said!" Does not diminish how enormously much you nailed it though. Almost five years later, I'd still give that video a dozen thumbs up!

[@ally939]

Imagine if Jenny was secretly Kreia all along

[@arx3516]

Kreia was kind of right, but she was too nihilistic. She could have spent her efforts to come up with a new way, a new philosophy that could bring true balance, instead sge rejected everything and wanted it all gone.

[@cujohjosefumi1252]

Apathy is dead!

[@taramaforhaikido7272]

@@arx3516 I think she wanted to be stopped by the one she had taught. eg: The player. She seemed content with her defeat.

[@dsmvfl363]

You know what doesn't make sense? Me watching this at 2:15 am when I have finals

[@franc.s3290]

how can you be watching this if your eyes aren't real? :v

[@TheDefiantForrestKing]

Saad S watching this is all that matters at 2 am! >.

[@kittycow28]

Saad S OMG same

[@KryptonianChaos1]

Saad S Same!

[@finhisself501]

Bruh. It's never too late or early for a Jenny Nicholson discussion.

[@justinpetty7120]

Memo: “Hey guys. We’re racist now. Lulz.” God this girl’s humor is wonderful.

[@veganmikey1]

Padme: "What do you do if you have 10 younglings and 7 chairs?" Obi-wan: "Get three more chairs?" Anakin: "Kill 3 younglings!"

[@cotocoyerakson8195]

The only Sith who is calm and reasonable is Lana Beniko. I love how she just talk about philosophy with a Jedi master without judging, just two force users talking about their perspectives without crying about who is right or wrong.

[@cujohjosefumi1252]

and Darth Marr

[@valcade]

@@cujohjosefumi1252came here to say that!

[@bhope13]

Asajj Ventress, too. Once she got away from Coubt Dookoo, that is. She's still my favorite Dark Side user

[@dustinnabil798]

@@bhope13 Coubt Dookoo

[@BaldwinIV_of_Jerusalem]

​​@@pokeballs6663 think hes one of the first to know what vitiate really is planning

[@gregsicle_stick]

Okay if are genuinely curious why sith ever get apprentices it's because 1. The power kick from lording over someone. 2. They normally think they can control their apprentice.

[@thenablade858]

But doesn’t the Rule of Two say that they’re going to end up trying to kill their masters at one point? Why teach an apprentice everything you know if they’re going to eventually kill you and take your place?

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

@@thenablade858 because they’re all arrogant and think they can control them

[@Evbuscus1]

@@thenablade858 As someone who obsessively read the book of the sith, the idea is that they don't actually teach the apprentice anything. And they take on apprentices for variations on "muh tradition." I think.

[@JM-mh1pp]

@@Evbuscus1 Taking an apprentice is very useful. You find someone who has a lot of potential, teach them basic stuff so they can do some basic stuff for you so you do not waste your time doing mediocre stuff. In time you teach them more and more so they can do more stuff so you can focus on big picture, of course always thinking that you are still bigger dog and it is basically no problem. Eventually your influence grows more and more and your apprentice is constantly doing control, visits, assasinations etc. while you work on bigger plans, you even start to consult your decisions with them cause they are your representative on the ground. And then they kill you. And they laugh saying "I would never be such a dumbass" And they have this massive network which requires constant attention...so they find a strong apprentice to they can do some basic stuff for them so they do not have to waste their time doing mediocre stuff (and so the cycle repeats itself)

[@kevincrady2831]

IIRC (from KOTOR, if you go dark), the principle is that having an Apprentice forces you to keep striving to get stronger, because if you don't, your Apprentice will kill you. So the Apprentice has an incentive to get stronger so they can hope to take the Master's place, and the Master has an incentive to get stronger so they can stay on top. In theory, the result would be stronger Sith (at least on a 1 on 1 basis vs. Jedi), but in practice, it made them weaker as a collective, since the Jedi could cooperate and recruit larger numbers while the Sith were constantly at each other's throats.

[@skoomajoe6205]

The Sith aren't racist, there are plenty of alien sith. That was just the empire that's racist.

[@lastfirst8564]

Skooma Joe yup

[@disorderrgv]

Skooma Joe very true.

[@diobrando2732]

Skooma Joe not to mention the original sith was an alien race and not a faction

[@Duszy]

Joshua Schnitzel alien race which still accepted pretty much only siths, humans, and hybrids of both

[@diobrando2732]

Duszy very true

[@knealfo]

Did you just call a Kiwi an Aussie... You never call a Kiwi an Aussie!

[@Lisa-Simpson-i3i]

Im not a Star Wars fan, hate spiders, not a Brony lol, but ive become an unintentional expert on all sorts of stuff by bein a huge Jenny fan 💗✨ I swear she could talk about cardboard for an hour & id happily listen... id watch her sew a vest on a trout for 20min & feel thoroughly satisfied

[@clever-username]

3:02 Christopher Lee? You leave him out of this!

[@fever-blade8343]

Handsome enough to be Dracula!

[@jeffersonian000]

Ben Dover, much like your name, pretty sure having Christopher Lee pictured was a joke. I laughed.

[@T2266]

Yea, Christopher Lee was handsome as hell.

[@nomanchaudhry8727]

also Mephistopheles and Death

[@onthespoke2]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?

[@SageVaughn]

She clearly doesnt know much other than the basics of the sith

[@liizzset]

Nope. What is that tragedy?

[@Novasky2007]

You could say **Puts on shades* I find her lack of knowledge of the Sith disturbing. **Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah*

[@6WaysFromNextWed]

"Maybe he didn't know cloning technology existed. Maybe someone should like, let him know, that that's a possibility. That you could actually clone people. Tell Emperor Palpatine that. Could really help him out with his plans." Plot twist: Episode IX is YOUR FAULT, MS. NICHOLSON.

[@Mike-zx6sl]

10:40 Jenny couldn't have possibly known in 2016 that the living in obscurity part of her joke would actually end up being the plot of Fallen Order for multiple characters, and ended up working out for most of them. So well, in fact that the only thing that blew Cal's cover was being a dummy and using the force after a workplace accident.

[@kylefukumoto5811]

Palpatine did have his own clone in the Dark Empire comic book series. I think the name of his clone was Palppy Jr.

[@davisjames8484]

Kyle Fukumoto bless up stay strong

[@Wikrin]

How great would KoTOR have been if you started out as jacked up nasty as most Sith Lords? Just veiny and gross, wandering around like "I guess I smuggle medical supplies or something. Taris is weird, guys."

[@JennyNicholson]

He straight up just looks like Darth Sidious wearing casual smuggler's clothes and he's totally buying it. "Yeah you're an old buddy of ours, an ally of the light."

[@KakiOlsenCreative]

1). The clone actor was from New Zealand, not Australian 2) Timothy zahn did the whole clone from hand thing 3). I now need a fanfic about the sith as cool uncle.

[@ChrisStoneinator]

10:24 Jenny is directly responsible for The Rise of Skywalker

[@3mi3mi]

Came here to point that out lol

[@cwilliams523]

Through power I gain victory. Beggars can't be choosers.

[@jeffward9177]

"Somebody should tell Palpatine about cloning..." you totally called it years in advance. Hope you got a decent royalty check 😁

[@iapetusmccool]

Wasn't the old EU full of "lol, turns out Palpatine cloned himself again" plots?

[@paytonkilmer1920]

@@iapetusmccool Nah, just the one during the Dark Empire series. Most people didn't like it then, either.

[@jadeintheparke1]

Idk why this was recommended to me under Fashion but I'm not mad that I found this.

[@MythopoeicNavid]

The dark side is in this year.

[@jadeintheparke1]

Dark is the new black.

[@MythopoeicNavid]

that just sounds totally racist. :P I'm being sithy of course.

[@jadeintheparke1]

It took me forever to realize that you said sithy instead of silly...

[@MythopoeicNavid]

lol. you get a +1 for that.

[@robertkillingsworth7149]

I love Jenny's nerd talks. This is how I chat with my actual friends but without the numbered lists.

[@joenesvick7043]

In non canon, Palpatine did clone himself

[@adamlashcomedy]

Yup, in the Dark Empire story line from Dark Horse comics.

[@fauxmosmexual]

didnt he also do it in the hand of thrawn stuff

[@mattdangerpaul]

And then all the more level-headed authors had to justify Luke's turning to the dark side in later, better novels.

[@Ninjat126]

'Dark Side' as-per films and 'Sith' as per EU/Legends should never have been conflated by the writers. The Sith are a religious order that 'worship' the force and have a pretty social darwinist philosophy of 'if you didn't want to get killed you should have tried harder to stay alive' mixed with a Sith code which is essentially 'suppressing your emotions is a waste of time because you need passion and love and anger to truly embrace life and the Force' The Sith are great as a little EU thing, like "the Emperor learned and followed Sith teachings'' and maybe a touch here and there like 'the Jedi fought a war against the Sith back ages ago, almost before lightsabers were invented.' as it is they're just this universal presence in Legends and still everywhere in EU when NONE of their teachings make any sense when applied to a large-scale order or military power.

[@tinyelephant1533]

And that's why no Sith led Empire/government ever succeeds. Their Sith Code goes completely against what a government needs to do in order to survive.

[@alessandragonzales8190]

@@tinyelephant1533 "Real Sithism has never been tried." - Darth Marx

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

@@alessandragonzales8190 have you ever read his book Das Jedi?

[@Error_4x5]

@@alessandragonzales8190 That sounds like all college communist.

[@advocatusdiaboli9971]

@@tinyelephant1533 Depends on what you mean by "succeeds". The sith empire (the old one under viciate) was very successful for thousands of years. And by the concept, as soon as you have an all powerfull immortal leader, the system works xD Just hard to achieve this.

[@somekid3893]

I mean to be fair, "why" you'd take an apprentice as a Sith Lord is technically twofold: a) get a person to send off and do things for you, and b) you get the game of trying to outsmart your apprentice untill you have to kill them

[@alessandro348]

Chuckling from start to finish, your trail off line delivery is great XD

[@TheSighphiguy]

"put him in the van i guess" i had a great lol on that one!

[@kevincrady2831]

"OK, what if you're a Sith that's just like, passionately happy, and skipping around...?" Right, that does it. I either have to read, or write this fanfiction now.

[@annedavis3340]

If you have since read or written this fanfic, please direct me to it. I need it too. Thank you.

[@VestinVestin]

​@@annedavis3340 Have you ever heard... the comedy of Darth Skippy the Jovial?

[@yerdans]

@@VestinVestin lmfao

[@zotharr]

When u became the master, u take an apprentice who can motive u as well not to became soft "I'll teach u everything I know, but u still cant kill me , and if/when u can, u deserve it to take my place"

[@zotharr]

Also, if theres only 2 vs many the power is divided between two Read the Darth Bane trilogy, best SW books ever, focusing on the dark side, telling the story from that point of view, lots of things will make sense after reading it

[@zotharr]

About looking gruesome: first of all the evil within will mark and consume the body, the "outside" will mirror the "inside" Secondly, its a sacrifice for power

[@MrStrife137]

i think yeah and since they are so narcissistic, they probably think that their apprentice wont ever be more powerful. like "i know what has happened in the past but im so powerful that will never happen to ME!"

[@jontollison1]

Presumably also this means that each generation of Sith is more powerful than the last. If you worship power as a good unto itself you can see how you would be willing to sacrifice yourself for that goal.

[@zotharr]

jontollison1 The thing is, if you go really deep into it, it wont make any sense, really Even in your understanding, talking about sacrifice, that is something, the sith shoudnt do. Doing something for a higher cause, something above yourself is not the sith way And beneeth the surface u can find motivations like this, this is why it makes no sense... (Even though they dont 'worship power' as an outside force, only as a force within, so they would never sacrifice themself for nothing, but everything else to gain power for themselfs)

[@jan_Masewin]

The Dark Side as a pyramid scheme is a _wonderful_ concept. Imagine getting hun-botted by a sith lord

[@danielcox7629]

I've always wanted to play a passionately happy sith that just does whatever they want.

[@spritingk6879]

Plapy was having fun," hahaha haha I'm gonna torture you with my magical powers"

[@PeteysPonderings1220]

I appreciate your deadpan style, glad I randomly found you channel.

[@jessewilley531]

Actually, the rule of two makes sense if the Apprentice realizes the only way to beat their master is to have a secret apprentice of their own... but once they do succeed they are stuck with their apprentice. But that raises the question of why The Old Apprentice doesn't kill the New Apprentice once The Old Apprentice becomes The Master.

[@alexandrezani]

The whole point of the rule of 2 is that before the rule of 2, groups of weaker siths would gang up on the most powerful sith. As a result, the sith became weaker over time. The rule of 2 depended upon the apprentice killing the master without the help of someone else to demonstrate that they themselves had become more powerful. Which is a great idea because when you fight someone, either you are weaker and die, or you are stronger and defeat them leaving yourself unscathed. You never get injured and end up weaker but alive.

[@OrigamiShinigami]

Be really lonely innit?

[@OrigamiShinigami]

@Alexandre Zani that part makes no sense; the master has zero incentive to impart their best knowledge to an apprentice knowing it will be used against them, while the apprentice is driven to best the master through any means, up to and including self-destructive ones that may well leave them maimed or injured. Just look at the general health condition of darksiders; it's clear many are harmed by the powers they control or attempting to battle for victory and supremacy at all costs (why Vader attacks Obi-Wan anyways) according to Sith ethos. It isn't sustainable long-term, and the best argument for a future is a master's master leaving holocrons or something to teach an apprentice to kill their own apprentice as a post-death spite.

[@alexandrezani]

@@OrigamiShinigami I think the master is supposed to do a lot of indoctrination in order to avoid those failure scenarios. But yeah, it obviously doesn't work given *wave at the Star Wars universe*

[@jessewilley531]

@@OrigamiShinigami Sort of the point.

[@AlanSmitheeman]

All of your points are valid and well thought out. By not making a coherent and logical universe within the laws of customs, magic or physics you dream up, you get these contradictions that just snowball with subsequent stories. Great video!

[@JFrazer4303]

The story of "Star Wars", since 1980, when Lucas had a brain-fart case of writer's block and the best thing he could come up with to hang the sequels on was "I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former college room-mate", and an unlikely romance between two characters. Endless retconning and recycling of story elements ever since.

[@j.l.w9563]

I think if they actually were honest enough about what the dark side would actually look like it would be too recognisable to people.

[@taramaforhaikido7272]

@@j.l.w9563 Good creates killers from ignorance. the road to hell is paved with good intentions. At least the dark side isn't pretending.

[@TheMegalusDoomslayer]

For the record, Palpatine didn't pay any attention to the rule of two.

[@chriseash6497]

Weeellllll, there more like guidelines rather than rules. And besides you need to have a few in reserve just in case your apprentice is a failure. Also there is nothing said about lesser disciples that don't get the full teachings until they become full apprentices. And really who enforces the rules anyways, wouldn't that be the Master?

[@big7pointer]

yes he did

[@Timothan]

The Rule of Two is so fucking stupid. Old Georgie boy saw the Emperor and Darth Vader and said to himself: "Oh, look at that. There're two of them. That means that's what all Siths are like always! Boy I'm clever"

[@EzioTheProphet]

TheQuazz actually sith weren't always rule of two so you should like get your shit straight

[@Timothan]

Caesar Espinoza You just proved my point mate.

[@raptorbadger3131]

I envy the person who gets to take her out on lovely dinner dates.

[@drphil8281]

Raptor Badger Tips fedora.

[@raptorbadger3131]

Jordan Lysander m'lady

[@kappaross6124]

I want to see the passionately happy sith now.

[@brewmagoo589]

I think it would work, a dark Jedi like the Joker. Perhaps named Darth Mirth. :)

[@shadowalkerwho]

Yeah, they're called "My Little Pony"... also the "Care Bear Stare" is a force ability. ;)

[@nobody7279]

He would have to be angrily happy for it to work, but most Sith are a bit broken in the head... so it could happen.

[@minute4309]

I'd like to take a moment to say my RP character in SWTOR was this, it was quite the attraction in the sea of edge. A lot of fun, in all honesty.

[@glass-ships]

"Why wouldn't you just clone yourself?" aged perfectly 😂