The Dark Side of the Vtuber Phenomenon

[@joekrogan387]

Simps be ragin. Yes, she has a boyfriend. No, she's not waiting for you. Glad I could help.

[@johnnylah5058]

She fucks her boyfriend every night but those stupid simps never know

[@sunwillriseagain6202]

Bravo man. You speak facts.

[@kyodarkness9243]

Simp: *I'M A TIER 3 SUB TO HER TWITCH* Me: She not gonna f*ck you bro.

[@SaviourSword995]

I watch vtubers. But I agree. They are becoming more sexual

[@deshmkh5014]

@@SaviourSword995 stop

[@ExodusCore]

lol the graph of V-tuber growth was hillarious when Gura suddenoly popped up and crushed everyone else within a very short amount of time.

[@HolyknightVader999]

Gura was like the Assyrians from the Bible. Coming out of nowhere and utterly crushing the fuck out of the competition.

[@KinotheHedgehog]

I like this video, you strike a very good balance of addressing the not so innocent origins of this directly and straight to the point while also clarifying that not everyone who participates in this trend is out to exploit the lonely and emotionally damaged. For some, its just a way to stream without the pressure of showing their face, and I'm aware not all are like this. Overall, this is a very good criticism of the VTubing industry and I think more people should see it. Good job Pax.

[@MeariBamu]

we can see the animation one man brings lots of girls around him as a big social problem in the girls. But don't see the reverse thing in 1 Vtuber(female) around by many boys social problems.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

this video is extremely biased though like most youtubers who make it on vtubers, completely ignoring the original orgins of vtubers (which started on 4chan, with people like eliene etc, making ebola chan memes) and vtubers never originally were streamers, they were literal youtubers like the original kizunai ai. and did not have parasocial relationships with anyone

[@Abridgimation]

@@NeostormXLMAXeveryone's biased, people just don't like it when someone's bias doesn't align with their own.

[@Daydy377]

16:52 If something is free, you are the product

[@yekkub9425]

*looks at Costco free sample in hand*

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

If something is free, then it is mine to gain... Such is the political war.

[@ninjagaro.]

if i vote for free, am i the product of politicians?

[@durian111]

@@ninjagaro. tell them your price next time

[@Jeremy_Fisher]

**takes a walk in the forest for free** **drinks water for free** **has fun with a friend for free** **exercises for free** **looks at the stars for free** the list goes on. you get my point.

[@aero6104]

Even as a vtuber enjoyer, I agree with your analysis on how the degradation of social values beyond fleeting pleasure is related to the vtuber craze. I feel like there's a lot of coping when it comes to topics like this, coomers and NEETs are desperate to protect their bubble of diminishing pleasures.

[@daveholland6293]

getting a nonce feel from your avatar

[@Zal0vid]

Saying this while having an anime avatar hmmmmm

[@bigbossgreek]

Stop watching vtubers degenerate

[@Zal0vid]

@@bigbossgreek Watching Vtubers is no more degenerate to watching anime

[@bigbossgreek]

@@Zal0vid then dont watch anime either.

[@ourqueen8423]

Thing is, most of these superchats gets ignored, yet they still send their hard earned money just so they can get some attention. I actually feel for these people because society makes fun of them and never tries to actually help improve them. One thing I hate the most is when vtubers act quirky. That happens when they go mainstream.

[@ThePinkLamia]

That happens because if you act like a, 'Debbie-Downer,' you're not going to be very entertaining. It might irk you, but that's how people lose viewers. By being as lively as a frozen log.

[@ourqueen8423]

@@ThePinkLamia there's difference between being lively and being quirky. If you like quirky vtubers, then that's awesome.

[@ThePinkLamia]

But don't they all act quirky? :P Lol

[@lukeshoo]

They have superchat streams where they turn off superchats and read past ones all stream. That way they don't get bullied all stream with superchats to read and can actually make content.

[@Mr_Mistah]

@@lukeshoo Vtubers are for kids. Grown men don't watch vtubers. Kids watch them after school.

[@nethlandpancake3630]

I once got my friend blocked by a vtuber. At first I felt bad...but now I don't! Thanks Pax!

[@iced2594]

What you said really did Hit me hard I lost too many friends because of this addiction that they can't help I really wish people would stop doing this but that's not possible hopefully your video gets more popular so people can realize the dangers of this idol worship it's sickening to me

[@ourqueen8423]

People won't help, You'll just be called an incel and be laughed at for spending money at vtubers I'm not trying to be rude here. All I want is for these people to get help so that that they can feel happy.

[@Mr_Mistah]

@@ourqueen8423 Vtubers are for socially inept children addicted to the internet.

[@Mr_Mistah]

You kids should stop wasting your life on the internet.

[@ThugOG30VIPs3rd-T]

even back then still wit celeb. worship too but everything needs moderation huh?

[@plveuk813]

Japan did a recent statistic where 1 in 4 women aged 45-50 were childless.

[@AryanSneed]

damn that's sad

[@ArilandoArilando]

I find that unlikely.

[@plveuk813]

@@ArilandoArilando You're right, I made a mistake. It is 27% of women, not 25%. thx for saying that!

[@tabbender1232]

Japan has serious birth rates issues

[@plveuk813]

@@11MAXI I'm not going to blame all of that on anime and vtubers but it makes it worse than it needs to be for a developed country. There is no solution at that point. I just laugh at how fast Japan is shrinking.

[@scienceteam9254]

I really like the vtuber wave that has bombarded the internet. It shows that parasocial relationships can be used to exploit EVEN the people who would prefer a fictional "waifu" over a real woman through vtubers. Nobody is safe. Stay strong brothers.

[@Albus_Rex]

That's always been the weird part to me though. I like anime, but detest Vtubers. I detest them because they are not the "pure waifu" they are depicted as. It's an obvious farce. They're pretenders.

[@NeostormXLMAX]

except male vtubers exist, and vtubers originally started from 4chan as a counter culture after around the 2010s. especially with people like eliene, and even originally kizunai or even nyanners i would have to admit used to make short videos instead of streams. not having any type of parasocial relationship acting like a normal youtuber

[@jekblom123]

You're acting like they're gonna jump out of the screen and stab you to death. Christ, you people are like people from the 20s seeing animated movies and moving pictures for the first time. They're characters, not demons. Grow the hell up.

[@adeleinetheartist8267]

Safety is an illusion.

[@infini_ryu9461]

No, they were already simps.

[@rafidbariq385]

15:42, I know her, it's Ayunda Risu from Hololive ID, and to my understanding, since i don't watch vtubers much, she's referring to nuts, like i mean litteral nuts.

[@muraki3714]

Came in expecting some drama, left me questioning my whole existence. Damn.

[@ZigZagKangaroo]

This is about everything I've been thinking about Vtubers in one video. I like Vtubers as entertainment. That's why I started avoiding more and more relationship baiting Vtubers. It's unhealthy, weird and it makes me sad when a Vtuber I otherwise would've liked does those things. Nothing tops traditional streamers for me though.

[@BulkBogan1920]

Watching vtubers in general is unhealthy

[@jackbluehq6653]

​@@BulkBogan1920watching vtubers in of itself is no different than watching a regular streamer or an avid youtuber

[@BulkBogan1920]

@jackbluehq6653 That's like saying watching hentai is just the same as watching porn. Vtubers are way more degenerate and interactive.

[@jackbluehq6653]

@@BulkBogan1920 but hentia literally is porn. And vtubers are basically the same as any other streamer or E girl. All be it Vtubers are becoming more popular and impactful than before and the problems vtubers have is already addressed in this video so I'm not going into that whole topic. All I'm saying is, the only difference between a streamer and a vtuber is obviously how vtubers use software to hide their face with usually an anime avatar. Other than that, it's the same principle as it always has been.

[@nickkorkodylas5005]

_>relationships with Vtubers are fake and exploitative_ Wow! It's exactly like the real deal!

[@local_ITA]

My Lord how have we fallen so low

[@RaZn-Gurifisu]

Seems like you struck a nerve with this one. The truth hurts, especially if you're on the receiving end of said reality check. Keep it up. Love the content as usual.

[@Jesujej]

ok anime pfp

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Me upon the extinction of mankind: "Do you know how little this narrows the line? Honestly, all of humanity could end now, today. And I would feel nothing from their loss of existence. So observing humans is just as social as planetary dismantlement upon a civilization."

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

Benster?!

[@kotorandcorvid4968]

Ok, anime pfp

[@jeusmarcomascarina4102]

Yep I feel bad for those giving expenses because they to support em but actually the person giving it needs help.

[@Sam0Mahn]

I actually laughed out loud when the guy smashes his laptop

[@runezunn6655]

I can't stand Vtubers that have this childish squees, the sexual things and other negativity involved that are just horrible/major red flags because these sort of Vtubers are the ones that I avoid watching. I like some Vtubers but only approach with caution especially if I do come across a new one. Thank you and good job on the video!

[@Mr_Mistah]

Only kids watch vtubers

[@GenMars]

you'd be surprised

[@Mexxsi]

@@Mr_Mistah thats a lie lol

[@Mexxsi]

Rune yes i think they are weird but i do like vtubers who are just fun and chill.

[@Mr_Mistah]

@@Mexxsi It's not

[@LunarEdge7]

13:20 Should add that Nijisanji and indies could be anywhere I'm not sure they can be called a mixed bag since Niji is so spread out, some of them hardly even know each other, plus there's too many to note Personally, I like that Vtubers have made a new type of content, and there's rare gems who rarely spew innuendos every 2 minutes + male Vtubers who should be professional comedians.. and I feel after 20 or less years, the degen should die down by then, or humanity as a whole gets its shit together Now hearing *OK Go* : _This Too Shall Pass_

[@_mass_477]

I don't think vtuber addiction, porn addiction, game addiction, or any addiction in general comes from what we find entertaining. It comes from ourselves when we can't control the addiction

[@_mass_477]

This video is like a parent saying that KZbin is bad just because they can't control their child. Like bruh, not only that's irresponsible, that's just fucking stupid on how you blaming the entertainment and not yourself. It's childish and stupid. You're the one who destroyed your life and didn't do anything to fix it. Why are you blaming things that you can't control?😂. You're a grown ass man, like come on bruh🤣

[@Zal0vid]

@@_mass_477 exactly this

[@GuiltyNoticer]

ok losers

[@_mass_477]

@@GuiltyNoticer Get a life

[@k3v1nkuu15]

Yeah but he’s also saying in this video is that these girls are exploiting off adults who can’t control their addiction. So your right that’s it’s not their fault they are still to blame.

[@kapitan19969838]

I found Your channel today (18.11.21) and I'm hooked 😃 Please upload more often, I love Your take on such things 🙂

[@kairuseinaruyama]

"If you don't know what a hot tub stream is, consider yourself lucky." *proceeds to explain with a clip* But great video essay btw!

[@jaydenbrockington4525]

It got really Evangelion at the end

[@NickMC512]

It sure sounds like a classic case of “hos mad.

[@mauzerk9859]

Why so many dislikes? Coomers on suicide watch lmfao

[@threestripesonmypants]

Or women seeing this as absolute bullshit.

[@Mr_Mistah]

@@threestripesonmypants Explain how it's absolute bullshit? Everything he said is 110% valid. Stay mad.

[@Mr_Mistah]

@@threestripesonmypants You don't even know what incel means and you're calling HIM one? Get off the internet already. Clearly you're addicted

[@Eternale26Fundación]

@@Mr_Mistah cope and stay mad hedonist

[@morgan3625]

@@Mr_Mistah look she has a playlist called “depression” and “i want to get drugged and abuse” don’t worry lmao

[@TaigiTWeseDiplomat--Formosan]

16:15 no discrimination here

[@kaylenwardlow3961]

As someone who doesn't generally watch vtubers, I'd say it's only bad if spend most of your time watching the content itself, become obsessed with it, and not being productive with your life. Such as getting exercise and fresh air, making friends and spending time with them, planning your future, etc. I say this since the criticisms that Pax uses against the vtubers (mainly escapism) could be applied to other addictive mediums as well such as Video games or television. Anime/Manga also applies to this as it can be a form of escapism; so much so it's common for Anime/Manga to be stereotyped as escapist losers (much like comic book fans and gamers). Hence, I think the age-old practice of enjoying a hobby while taking care of yourself in real life applies to vtuber fans.

[@iroga9764]

The classic "its ok in moderation" response. Do you have any other unique and interesting takes?

[@KaiserTrigger]

@@iroga9764 Do you have anything to offer to prove it's not a correct statement? I don't think you do. I wouldn't be surprised if you have nothing to say to someone who eats like Nikocado Avocado, other than "EAT IN MODERATION". Try an original rebuttal.

[@kaylenwardlow3961]

@@iroga9764 All I really said was "don't become obsessed with this and use vtubers as a replacement for emotional attachments and instead be productive with your life." Would mind telling me what's wrong with that statement?

[@leeroyjenkins6324]

You speak the truth, brother.

[@togek1ss]

you know things are bad when people start saying "its only bad if..." after so many experiences i've noticed that's the first thing that comes out of peoples mouths to justify their addictions that they know deep down is bad for them

[@RandoomDude]

16:11 hey uh, if you could get me some more info on that single mother vtuber, actually

[@H-4rt]

Yeah, I wanted to know about that too

[@johnnydepp30]

Been waiting for this one. I need it to help somebody

[@therealhardrock]

The Silvervale controversy revealed that beneath the sexy anime girl avatar was a real human female who was feeling very hurt inside. There is a de-humanizing effect placed on people behind masks. One time, a mall Easter bunny got punched by some teenage boys who thought it was funny, but behind that mask was an injured girl.

[@siruristtheturtle1289]

It is a destructive market for everyone involved.

[@land3021]

I think they're hurt for different reasons, like, gee I dunno, past trauma that was perfectly preventable(hot anime girls drawn in artstyles originating from Japan aren't the problem, they're more of a subconscious thing once you get used to seeing them - and all in all prove that pedophilia and other sexual interests aren't a problem either - Since a sexual interest alone isn't necessarily the cause of someone raping someone, its more than likely a lack of education in how to handle oneself properly and/or a lack of self-restraint), like not having enough FUCKING MONEY to get by! Which, lemme tell ya, being a VTuber is QUITE profitable if you make it big! You heard it here folks! Blame the economy(cause they aren't getting ALL their money from Japan)! Blame capitalism later, I'm still unsure of that one... Will say though, I think its a bit short sighted to think that religion has anything to do with birth rates, and, if anything, I think they have a history of &/or still actively discourage sex &/or any sexually pleasuring activities, via having all men circumsized... Not gonna lie, circumcision, is objectively, a form of bodily mutilation in the same, but certainly in a more minor(in terms of how much it alters your body) way, than the bodily mutilation that is required to remove ones sex-organs in order to then do the sex-reassignment surgery for trans(meaning 'opposite')*gender*(although they're also now transsexual due to having a different sex organ & overall sex from the one they were born with) people, which, my "lack of not really caring & knowing if there's a god or not", sounds really painful(hopefully they're put to a temporary, but lasting in duration to last the ENTIRE-if not longer than-the duration of the operation), and, well, gender shouldn't have to be so hard to prove, even though, in my contrary opinion, gender is definitely helpful in determining someones sex! Not that we actually need to know someones sex necessarily(will say its anoyying being told off for getting genders wrong though and I wish people were less "this shits obvious dumbass!" about it), although in the male & female sporting events, I think it'd be necessary - as those sorts of things are inherently supposed to discriminate between two groups with the same sex-based body builds I think... And that's a feature of those sporting events, not a problem.

[@cinemint]

@@land3021 are you okay

[@qwart22]

@@land3021Jesse what the hell are you talking about

[@yeah-wq2ho]

​@@land3021I ain't reading allat

[@kinggar_]

11:35 this section of the video really makes me happy to see that others have the same problem with these little sins against god

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

And yet the true problems were designed by Politicians... They ensured this "problem" became unsolvable.

[@leeroyjenkins6324]

@@absolstoryoffiction6615 Keep up the good work, man. Honestly, your comments are morbidly entertaining. It has the same energy as an Unfiction character.

[@hu3bman]

Amen to that 🙏✋

[@AlexanderTheFarmer]

Capitalize God's name

[@PeruvianPotato]

To quote a certain chad Scottish priest: "Amen!"

[@uranuuss]

The industrial revolution and its consequences have been disastrous for the human race...

[@DogmeatUR]

The sexual revolution and its consequences have been disastrous for the human race...

[@frauleinhohenzollern]

The Frankfurt school and it's consequences have been disastrous for white people

[@Zeunknown1234]

​@@DogmeatURonly in Western Europe, North America & India

[@dalerojo2.091]

​@@Zeunknown1234 it's worldwide, with the exception of very poor/unmaterialistic societies/parts of societies that has few internet use and exposure to this, like rural population, tribes, etc.

[@minnihd6470]

@@Zeunknown1234 if there is internet, there is porn and degeneracy

[@darkeye457]

I found this vídeo in my tab ages ago but just now I decided to watch it Honestly I thought it was gonna be a compilation of dissasters from the Vtuber community that originates from the Idol culture (so it's not just a vtuber thing, it has been a problem aince ages), with parasocial obsesive fans, stalkers, doxxers and gachikois going crazy if their idol loses their virginity (the first episode of Oshi no Ko showcases this problem, reason why many vtubers liked the anime as they felt identified with the issue it depicts. Think what you like to think about Vtubers, but the fear of crazy fans is REAL for them, that's why some set boundaries constantly) Didn't expect that whole social analysis on lonely men and depressed woman, wich dissapointed me is that you didn't take the woman's persoective at all Outside of the female Vtuber audience (that beside being a minority, it is pretty big and filled with lesbians), what you mentioned about depression snd this whole social issue explains why there are so many Vtubers. They are parasocial just like their fans, they are desperate and went in their way to get known by people, this explains both the sexual ones, calling desperate for some Dick. And the most sasmd side of the scene, the ones who just want to make people smile, because making people happy helps them be happy. Is really wholesome but also depressing And talking about smiles, that's the real charm of vtubers, it makes everyone smile, the lonely men, the lesbian audience, and the Plagiacci who hides behind the avatar. Newer generations of Vtubers come inspired by past ones, we are not talking of just some e-girls wanting to milk virgins, we are talking of geniune fans who got happier and their lifes became better thanks to Vtubing, and they want to share that happiness with others I know the vídeo is about the bad stuff so the good stuff is out of focus, but I feel like you should've talked better about the good side of Vtubing, how it improved the life of struggling people like IronMouse, who suffers CVID wich makes her very ill and her medical bills were almost impossible to pay. Vtubing literally saved her life, she can BREATH thanks to this industry, also besides her starting screen and her models, IronMouse doesn't fully rely on sex jokes unlike the rest of Vshojo, she's just herself, having fun streaming and most specially, having fun with her friends (Seeing her getting emotional because thanks to technology and her good friend Connor she can finally "travel" and visit other placed without compromising her health is geniunely hearthwarming) Also, you do have your points, but in some parts you kinda sounded like a religious guy who sees Pokemon Cards and tries to convince people that they are diabolical artifacts made by the devil itself. The awareness is apretiated but I think you went a little too over in them But yeah, the coomerbait culture, fueled by loneliness and what you mentioned in the video is a real problem, and as I say it does not only affects the audience, its dangers spread to the vtubers and Idols themselves who can get hurt, harassed, and in the worst cases, killed. Everything needs to be taken with moderation, it is ok to like sex driven vtubers and porn, that's your taste, but remember to separate fiction from reality and keep stuff in moderation Also, IDK if you continued making videos on this topic, but I would LOVE if you make a video about male Vtubers like the HoloStars. They give a lot to talk about, like the different focus, a dufferent way of fanservice, them struggling to grow and the Missandry of the fandom and the Unicorn phenomenom (Also WTF with the "things vtuber fans won't like" list? We LOVE hags, Marine being in her 30's, while a meme where fans mess with her,is part of her charm, we can't forget Nina Kosaka, her being an old woman was the reason she was loved, she acted like a motherly figure with years of experience. In general old people are loved, in the male side there's Vesper Noir, an old man nicknamed Grandpa by his fans and his chatting stream consists of a crazy old man telling crazy old stories) (Also them being single is what fuels parasocials, not a hood example, IDK why you put that there) (And lastly, they don't being female is where the meme "I don't care, looks female enough" comes to play. Jokes aside this is not an issue, in first place IDK why it would be an issue, in this part you even sounded a little transphobic. But anyway, vtubers have turned their real gender into a dynamic with their character, there's a girl who uses the avatar if a boy who's crossdresing as a girl for example. And with Nora Cat, the example you used with Unravel in the background, got benefit with this "slip" and from what I heard it wasn't even a secret in first place, aparently the audience knew he was a man already and they just played along with that moment)

[@JGreen-vd8en]

Best comment I see so far

[@AndrewTheMandrew531]

I read much of your comment, and agree with a lot of it. But I disagree with one thing. One cannot watch porn in moderation. Just as one cannot do drugs in moderation.

[@SaekiM]

As a Vtuber myself, I was always aware of the underhanded nature of the business and tried my absolute best to avoid GFE/BFE content as much as possible. Needless to say, this video makes me feel so much better about being an actual entertainment-first streamer. It's a shame that honest entertainment is overshadowed by cutesy uwu girls constantly making sex jokes.

[@darkhedgehog45678]

Thank you for speaking out about what goes on in your work environment. Let's hope more people strive to be more like you. Less about sex and degeneracy and more about good content and entertainment.

[@Jesujej]

sorry you are breathing so you are giving them girlfriend vibes already :)

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Sounds like a personal ordeal... Not the solution to the core problem. You know... Hail to the Governmental Machine... Humans.

[@TomyDayos]

=D

[@dominicthompson82]

@Godd Howard Girlfriend energy/boyfriend energy

[@GroovingDruid]

Man, you truly speak for my soul. Keep on the good work. Love and blessings to you.

[@punishedfootfetishistrin8050]

there was a thread i saw once and it said: if theres something that vtubers has taught me, is that women are the best when their personality is restricted. and the people know this

[@chaos2399]

Aren't men the same?

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

The Political War is far better. That machine controls this ordeal.

[@lukeshoo]

It's just about being entertaining

[@kokeiwpqiijeis6363]

Holy crap this video brought a tear to my eye. Truth spoken right here. Amazing video man

[@TadanoHitohito]

Coomers are irrationally angry at this video because they know they can't justify their behavior.

[@brightblackgrouse6236]

Your name is their reaction

[@Fulcrox]

"Everyone who doesnt like what i like is a coomer" Nice way of thinking manchild

[@vrilgod4176]

@@Fulcrox You will never be a woman

[@Fulcrox]

@@vrilgod4176 ok manchild

[@RainyRainy123]

@@Fulcrox you just used the word 'manchild' you are actually hurt over what he said😂

[@Dictator9999]

BRUH when that guy came on the camera instead of the anime girl that was rough. Real matrix breaking moment.

[@RazorPhoenix7]

Good and straight to the point reality check. Just like most things, enjoying them in moderation is the way to go, especially when it comes to entertainment.

[@cuckcatanimations9141]

Watching vtubers is fine if you want to get some laughs and entertain yourself but I feel like people who watch them constantly and have become obsessed with vtubers isn't healthy. I understand a lot of people need interaction but sometimes we need to take some small breaks from media and take the time for yourself too

[@Doris-gf4hb]

I fully agree.

[@McCaroni_Sup]

I don't watch vtubers as much anymore but when I did actively watch it I mostly watched funny clips and memes, mostly Hololive. And talked about them with friends. Obviously being overly obsessed over anything is unhealthy.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

I don't care for V-tubers. I want to guard my heart from forming any sort of parasocial attachments, even involuntary ones. They are a terrible and insidious trap.

[@dr.peashooter]

I doubt being obsessed with anything is healthy, no matter what it is

[@matthewdavidson9472]

@@dr.peashooter they all lead to a simultaneous path, a part in the process of which you completely lose yourself

[@diegoarend3281]

A bit surface-level on the VTuber points but I agree with some (even though it's obvious for normal males). But I leave this with one note. The dark side of vtubers is the same old dark side of today's internet: There are people that joke around serious things, and people that are serious around jokes. Take that as you will

[@Xannyphantom905]

The vtube thing is cringey and embarrassing. Bunch of shut in anime nerds, pretending to be anime characters for other anime nerds.

[@Mr_Mistah]

Vtubers are for socially inept 14-16 year old kids who watch anime.

[@H1NAZAK1]

@@Mr_Mistah bro why are you in every comment about them being watched by kids and stuff, bro most of them are 15-25+ while most being 18 and up

[@crusaderkaiser2000]

As a (former) vtuber viewer I think you were more than fair, you addressed a lot of issues I had with vtubers, specifically some of the gross hyper-sexualization. Overall your video was pretty well researched, and genuinely seemed to look at what caused their rise. I jumped into the ship around COVID when it first started, I also left when life started going back to normal, and as I got a little sick of vtubers in general. Anywho, good vid!

[@justice8718]

Do you follow the LORD and the son, Jesus Christ?

[@abhasiyah]

Nice vids man. We need more wisdom content like this in our society

[@SeriousMcnegative]

What a phenomenal and timely video. I sincerely think such a humanist stance in these parasocial obsessed times isn't just bold, its brave. It's videos like this that remind me of the true potential of the Internet.

[@DaemonForce]

It's a fair warning in either direction. The more people that flock to V-Tubers, the worse this reality becomes and vice versa. At the surface that sounds normal but when you observe it personally, it's a trap. All of this is a consequence of ignoring reality and while I want to leave it at that, there is no one size fits all map for getting out of it. This is why you still see people flocking to idols, becoming idols, creating new ones...There isn't anything inherently bad about that but this is a world currently engaged in some kind of global race to the bottom. This doesn't end well.

[@colin7244]

The amount of nsfw content that involes voice actors voicing over nsfw comics, animations, and images is pretty crazy abd its all for money or just for fun but seriously I dont want this to go to everywhere I just want the world to be isolated at this point but thankfully in the future all these people who are apart of this will get old and no longer do this which makes me happy

[@kenrichgumanid9235]

Both reality and fantasy are flawed, period.

[@colin7244]

@@kenrichgumanid9235 exactly

[@ThugOG30VIPs3rd-T]

@@kenrichgumanid9235 simply put..

[@RealDevastatia]

In Ironmouse's defense, she has a rare immunodeficiency disease that prevents her from going outdoors and socializing. She turned to Vtubing because she was lonely herself.

[@JuliusLaghi]

It’s a self-sustaining cycle, how sad.

[@dr.peashooter]

​@@JuliusLaghioh i'm sorry that she has a deficiency which she has no control over and the fact that she finds actual friends through her career as a vtuber (CdawgVA comes into mind). Yeah how sad that she tries her best to socialize despite her extremely bad condition

[@JuliusLaghi]

@@dr.peashooter looking at it now, I have no clue why I said that. It’s clearly false, anyone with a brain could understand that.

[@simonthedigger2874]

@@dr.peashooterironmouse has a boyfriend and it isn’t you. Cry about it

[@dr.peashooter]

@@simonthedigger2874 how is this relevant ?

[@Kyouma.]

Forgot to mention that the loneliness of young male viewers (that's why most VTubers are attractive and/or cute females) is the business model of VTubers. The "having fun and a good time together" is a pretense to form parasocial relationships to hook viewers who are willing to donate money or buy merch. It's an anime version of the idol business, and it's just as manipulative (emotional manipulation, (artificial) feeling of belonging which let's you temporarily cope with your situation). Probably just a coincidence that VTubers got even more popular in the last 3 years where people were even more isolated than before. No correlation there, nope

[@mirceazaharia2094]

It's quite literally predatory, a horrific, depraved corruption of otherwise good and natural inclinations.

[@censoredanon8928]

Great video Pax, I've been interested in an insightful video about vtubers and you certainly delivered on that. Especially you talking about how single males going this direction is primarily because of the fall of religion in the west and the ever increasing commodification of relationships.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

That's a half truth... Depending on each Nation. The ordeal changes... As for China? Ha ha ha ha. Do not misunderstand their intent, but I suppose mortals have already done so. Amusing... But this era is outdated... Much like politicians who beat around a bush.

[@deleteduser3455]

It’s why I think only fans is trash redditors get so mad at me for it but the truth is it’s vapid and not moral

[@ferringsylveon219]

That speech at the end really helped me.

[@Huseyin_Gazi]

I did notice this trend shifting. I have many stream friends on twitch who are Vtubers too and they genuinely just want to have fun and are shy or have insecurity reason which I respect. In fact, it can be more entertaining! Sadly, as you said, for bigger Vtubers some are crossing the line to bring those incriminating lines/ideas that attracts those lonely audience... As if they are all under their Genjutsu (illusion) >.< Thank you for bringing these awareness ^_^ Edit: I do think that even some greater Vtubers do genuinely not like doing these tactics, perhaps that the brand they are associated with are telling them to do it. We never know >.

[@zackfrost9541]

'0 Friends' had me gawping for 10 seconds, even as someone like me who found most people insufferable, having no friends is actually sad.

[@justice8718]

There are no "friends" in this realm. Only Jesus.

[@subosfm3173]

its pretty hillarious how vtuber viewers disliked this video

[@godzilladestroyscities1757]

I did not know about this. I am thankful that I'm completely out of it when it comes to what's popular or what's going on these days.

[@Monkey36044]

I agree completely with you on your statement, that we need to live in reality, I really do! But on the same time reality is the reason many flee to the virtual world (like watching vtuber streams) to escape it. Their live is often depressing maybe even hellish depending on the cicumstances. Such people don't want to be anywere else, I know people like them and I would count myself to them as well. They are suffering and found an improvement to their lives through such medium's like vtuber (again). It's not like most of them aren't aware that this cannot replace a fullfilled heart - in fact they do - but they simply don't care. After all from their point of view, this (vtuber) is 100x better than what they have in their reality. It gives them a little sliver of meaning in live, wich otherwise wouldn't be present. I don't think many if anyone will read this here (Video is 5+ month old after all) but if you do, thx for taking your time and have a nice day/evening or whatever timezone you're in.

[@uncensoredmaverick4455]

If your coping mechanism is watching vtubers you are wortthless and you should just endnur miserable and pathetic looser life

[@DiceWarwick]

ya, the interest in V-tubers is a symptom of a bigger problem then a problem itself. Also some of the examples he shows is not making a good point, as the group vshojo is literally meant to be degenerate, with Iron Mouse being a succubus, and their flagship V-Tuber Project Melody making porn before vshojo was a thing. It's the point of theirs channels, and their viewers know it. No, the real problem with V-Tubers is that their is so much money flowing into it, Lazy Cheep people are rushing in to get their pay out. Like with the E-Girls, this results in new V-tubers applying the easiest and quickest ways to get simps to give them money, playing to degeneracy then making a character. Overall, I see V-tubers as a move in the right direction, and their is a clear line to all this being a fantasy. Unfortunately due to all the simps, it's going to take time before the worst of the bunch move onto the next big thing. And their will be a next big thing, and it will piss people off like the last few big things.

[@sixthcairn]

@@DiceWarwick Normally I agree with many of what this channel says but in this case it seems a bit too reaching; before VTubers became a thing, people were having a moral panic over films, and before that over books. The core issues which creates the dark side of the VTubing industry isn't something which it created, but merely a manifestation of the underlying issues plaguing human society since time immemorial. Also, NNN is clearly a running gag based on a pun, I have no idea why he missed that considering Risu's a squirrel.

[@nickkorkodylas5005]

@@DiceWarwick IMO at worst it's humane escapism for darwinian dead ends to end their bloodline in a less torturous way and at best, if modeled by Japanese idol culture, they can be role models of femininity and even chastity to disoriented western females. With the exception of Vshoujo, that represents most aspects of western female degeneracy, most other companies more or less try to maintain marketability to romantically frustrated males and consequently more traditional feminine virtues, including chastity and availability. Even the horni-baiting ones often have to pretend niche interests and social retardery in order to reinforce that image.

[@Kyouma.]

@torujack9198: "to escape it" Or alternatively you could deal with it or do something about it. But that requires effort, leaving your comfort zone, and actually taking care of shit, but they can't do that because they allowed themselves to become oversized infants. Not a shred of self-respect in any of them

[@pilar1410]

The advancement of AI is going to massively exasperate this issue

[@seriouscat2231]

After studying AI for a dozen or so credits in a university, both implementation, ethics and applications, it looks like we've seen most of it. There is no free lunch and all the low-hanging fruit has already been picked. An AI does not really create anything. It simply analyzes and recombines what has already been put into it. And I think you mean exacerbate. But anyway, an AI needs clean data that must be fed to it by a living, thinking human programmer or data scientist. Otherwise it's garbage in, garbage out.

[@gutzimmumdo4910]

@@seriouscat2231 dam... you are clearly a liar or incredible dumb. We humans need input too, we get that input through our senses, so by your own logic, an AI is AT LEAST as capable as human being if feed the right information. We already know an AI can do what a human can in tent of thousands of a second simultaneously, so we are not very far off an actual artificial intelligence.

[@EleosAnim]

I was about to write something along the lines of "you're kinda clumping everything into one thing.. even tho.. they're not?" then eventually you mentioned it near the end how they're mixed bag, everyone is depressed nowadays and loneliness is being used for banking money. It's true that there are nuiancess i also agree with the voice acting part, but we can't do anything IF (i.e. lilypichu) they actually sound like that no matter what they do, lol. some sad realization i found out when watching this. 9:50 if this is true it seems like pursuing your dreams and aspiration to have a profession makes you depressed like you mention in this video girls/female were happier when they marry earlier or something :V and that's kinda just a sad truth i guess has nothing to do with how men can't make gf because of social life. also reminds me of lalaland like how the lesson was that 2 partners that has professions will find it hard to make it work unless they have the same work or found a way to make it work. (also the media before seem to just paint women as a house maid of some sort i know that sounds too radical but it was somewhat that bad..) then the section about how the religion and media changed the age of marriage, i think this just shows how dumb people are when they're younger, I'm not against divorce or dating apps and things like that because there are some valid cases like abusive relationship and such, dating apps kinda raise the bar? and at the same time makes it seem like there's so many option and everyone is just expendable like you can just easily swipe someone if you don't like em. 11:15 i know what you're trying to say here which is completely valid but another thing i'd like to point out is that some of these vtubers like you mention later on are also male, and/or also loners singles moms, divorced etc. so.. yeah the companies maybe are banking in their loneliness but the more depressing fact is they're not laughing at us they're laughing with us, sure they get money from all this but they're probably suffering from the pressure and toll too, if they truly have good morals or if they just feel like a product. 16:00 You mention "some of their audience might be disgusted" where i might agree? but there are some rare cases where.. it's obvious.. and people don't care lol like most hololive fans joke about YAGOO (the CEO) is all hololive vtuber.. and honestly like everyone will probably more likely surprised not mad at all some maybe but it's a given thing lol the one with a slip up they still have views, another thing i might add which could be somewhat REACHING.. in japan (and some country) "GAYS" or "TRANS" are not that welcome, so you can see how some of these old men acting as cute little girls could be their only way to express themselves as "female" it is kinda depressing on that lense but the majority it is somewhat creepy, I don't think anyone is open to talk about that yet. i even find it kinda off thinking of it that way. (this is considering that it's happening before when vtuber was such a niche thing and it haven't exploded yet and there's already type of vtuber called Babiniku which most people are aware there's even opposite where girls pretend to be a guy/trap lol and why do they do it? even tho they know at the start they can't earn money from it and it will take too long to start earning from it also they're probably lonely too..) as your question at the end you came of harsh like comparing e-thots the vtubers, there are some nuances on that but i guess that's because you're not putting them beside each other not until we see that segment where you show an example of iron mouse jiggle titty because some viewers might think of their experience and they don't see think the way you think so i suggest probably after recording your voice think about how the visual will help your points a lot of the things you said came of harsh at the middle then became a somewhat clearer later on and i guess that just you hoping people will watch the whole video before commenting, so maybe do some disclamer thing? or think about the structure and order. the statistics and fact checks are fine even tho they don't entirely mean that vtuber caused it but it's true it's much more rampant now but even then i see more people get to meet friends/community because of it. like in some luck chances there were viewers boasting how they found a gf who was also watching vtubers and the vtuber were happy for them that they got together for that so idk that's like really rare i guess lol.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

It is one factor but not the full reality... Most of the problems go back before the world wars. At the birth of America, for me. At the birth of mankind, for the world. Not that this era will understand... There will always be snakes in society, but even snakes are nothing against the Trapper... The Political Machine of Humanity ensured it.

[@doragonmeido]

ive been into the rabbit hole for more than an year now and to be really honest, it was a bit hard to like or dislike the video because it does point out real problems we are facing now but then only picking out certain moments or parts to make some of them look bad feels kind of a bit unfair

[@sixthcairn]

Surprising to see you in this channel of all places Eleos, but welcome nonetheless. But yeah, normally I agree with many of what this channel says but in this case it seems a bit too reaching; before VTubers became a thing, people were having a moral panic over films, and before that over books. The core issues which creates the dark side of the VTubing industry isn't something which it created, but merely a manifestation of the underlying issues plaguing human society since time immemorial. There's nothing inherently wrong with VTubers, any more than any other celebrity or other well known person, the issue is when people get too obsessed about it, the people who take #WOKE #YOLK way too seriously. But the thing is, in ages past, those same people would just seek other things to be obsessed over; at least with VTubers, one can't claim any have commanded their fans to fly planes into skyscrapers so there's that.

[@Tomaki26]

I actually considered donating to a vtuber one time just so I could hear her read my name. The worst part was she's one of those 'lewd/sexual' vtubers you talked about. Thank God I never went through with donating to her in the end. To this day, I have never donated to (and never will donate to) any streamers of any kind. I only just subscribe and watch them for entertainment, use them as background noise, or watch them when I'm about to go to bed.

[@blizzard1198]

I'd like to know your thoughts on vtubers like fefe,melody,viebei and nux even though nux isn't like them,he does promote them a bit.you don't have answer if you don't want I just wanna know what you think about it

[@blizzard1198]

Also that raccoon girl

[@Tomaki26]

@@blizzard1198 never heard of em. I mainly just watch the Hololive vtubers.

[@blizzard1198]

@@Tomaki26 Well they mostly say lewd stuff all time,wear lewd clothes and 2 of them have an only fans and nux does none of that's it's just he prompts them to some extent,sometimes leaving they're links in the description and he is the same person who talks about simps and those girls are cam girls

[@fr0ck360]

@@blizzard1198 didn’t Melody throw Nux under the bus?

[@teamkimochi191]

Based and coldharshpilled

[@AmericanMetalhead100]

The main problem I have with vtubing and vtubers (coming from someone whos active in the fandom) is they are marketed and touted as an alternative or "safer option" for/compared to irl streamers or "fleshtubers". They are not. They're an extension and reflection of EVERY aspect of streamer culture. Both SFW and NSFW.

[@misterkefir]

Fire.

[@ourqueen8423]

Well 1) too much expectations and pressure from parents (education and others) 2) too many norms and rules which makes conversations more and more restricted 3)the extreme rise in social media and technology which results in more and mor people stuck in devices instead of conversing outside I'm not finding excuses, just telling why so many teens and young adults get into parasocial relationships

[@dominicblair5029]

All done by design btw. Step 1, create a pandemic, step 2, enforce lockdown laws to isolate the entire population from any human interaction, step 3, distract entire population with a rise in social media and the desperation to connect with other people, and then finally step 4, mass formation psychosis, which is extremely easy to attain once the conditions for steps 1-3 are met. Ignorance truly is bliss for those that refuse to use their own free will to see things as they are during this era we live in.

[@Mr_Mistah]

Add in a virus that forces people to stay home and quarantine and you get an unbelievable amount of weirdness. But these kids still have better things to do than waste their life on the internet.

[@jozimastar95]

I would add 4)loneliness;when someone don't know what to do they do questionable thinks -jozi

[@AryanSneed]

They hated him because he told the truth

[@DeviousKid45]

In a land where men are liars, a truthful man is an outcast.

[@tactknightgaming2066]

No. He gave us his only personal anecdotes. He hasn't provided a single solution: I propose we take women's rights away, state mandated subservient big titty goth girlfriends, a fully paid house and a car. Cuckservatives are too busy being more weak and effeminate than the democratic party.

[@xoxo.pochacco]

As much as I love some vtubers, a lot of your criticisms are valid and while obviously those criticisms don't apply to every v tuber, it shows issues with the industry as a whole. Just one little critique, trying to call out female streamers, instead of using the e-girl term implies that the kind of degeneracy you mentioned applies to most female streamers in general, which is very false.

[@lostintechnology1851]

It applies to the majority of successful female streamers

[@Ttegegg]

While I can disagree on some and point them out. I would say this is a good analysis and one of the better videos of his

[@scemmerjoke]

Same here. The only vtuber I like is amashiro/nachoneko because I like her drawing and isn't trying to make everything lewd. I still only watch clips because I don't like streams.

[@babyvaso3855]

Intellectual progress will never be used for the greater good if it is not guided by a moral compass - Calvin Coolidge 1925. Capitalism without morality ends in societal collapse, it just takes longer than socialist countries. A mixture of both will not work either without religion at the forefront.

[@stompchunkman4248]

Frankly, I see Vtubers as I see pro wrestlers, and I love pro wrestling for its strong, positive aspects. Girls are given a gimmick, but fiction combines with reality and it's hard to know how much, because it's way easier to wear the gimmick than a wrestler that travels everywhere. They can spice up or even outright change their gimmicks, and at least for the corporate ones, stay entertaining enough for the audience; some are more niche than others, and some get more personal than others. I can't watch an entire stream, I don't have the patience or time to do that, so I mostly watch compilations and skip/watch in whatever interests me. There are some that I find very engaging, like Watame, because her persona is endearing and I like the way she sings. But just like a wrestler I really like, I don't try to create a bond with her. Even in her supposedly more personal, vulnerable moments, I can't really budge because it doesn't feel natural. If she's going through a rough time or something, well, that sucks and I hope she overcomes it, but that's it. I agree that their popularity is due to the bad hand young adults are given, but they submit instead of building a more "normal" life and environment around them.

[@Zal0vid]

Your first point is dead on. That's what they are essentially.

[@noahquinn6168]

Exactly

[@leaderofthebunch-deadbeat7716]

Some wise words

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Why do people buy anything in life??? If death is inevitable?

[@leeroyjenkins6324]

Spot on

[@mrvietnam3985]

Can we get a George Floyd v tuber

[@Zal0vid]

That be hilarious

[@TheCallumTR]

Oh please someone make this happen.

[@mrDjuroman]

I thought this already exists, just search for the name and gaming

[@sigmamaleaffirmationhypnob7340]

there are several channels called George Floyd Gaming they usually get nuked fast tho

[@TheCallumTR]

@@sigmamaleaffirmationhypnob7340 that's different though. We want an animated v-tuber Floyd waifu (no homo)

[@Tom-re6zo]

I think a little bit of sexiness is okay. I at one point chose to not jack off or consume anything sexual because I felt like a slave to my lust. Turns out these desires are completely natural and ignoring them doesn't help you either. After about two weeks I started having libido again and I couldn't focus as well as I normally would. I work out on a daily basis, I'm succeeding in my work life, but my ability to have swagger while hanging out with friends was definitely taking a hit because I was thinking about sex every few minutes. Post nut clarity is very real. The issue is the same as the porn addiction epidemic. And like any addiction the delusion of "I can quit whenever I want" is a very really thing too. And addiction is the fault of the addicted 90% of the time. I'm not saying you're wrong but the fact is that if people can't afford to donate money to someone then they shouldn't.

[@mumberthrax]

I enjoy a lot of Hololive content. I've never spent any money on them, despite the hours of entertainment I've gotten from them. I think you did a mostly fair job with this video. I think there *is* a dark side and more young men need to be aware that these things do exist. I'm just about the perfect demographic for the content, and I recognize that in terms of parasocial relationships, the comfort from watching their content is a shallow surrogate for real two-way relationships with real people. Nevertheless, I do feel happy when I see these girls growing, when their lives improve, and I have prayed for their safety when I hear they've gotten the clotshot. Even if they are entertainers and they do not know me, they are still human individuals. I think there are things that Hololive/Cover in particular, and some of their talents, do deserve praise for - and I recognize that the "positive side" of vtubers is not the topic of this video. The biggest one that kept me watching, for example, is that it isn't content from the hellmouth - Hollywood.

[@lostfootage1999]

The "talents" that the women themselves have, are things that most women could do if they tried. Hololive isn't scouting for much talent beyond having a decent voice and having sexual/cute appeal.

[@Fulcrox]

The problem is that the "Dark side" part of the video entitle a lot of weird conservarive men into hating Vtubers and consider them degeneracy, horrible people, e-thots with different skin, etc Ignoring the absolute real issue of lonely men erasing the line between reality and fiction as a way of escapism. Blaming the Vtubers who are mostly workers, instead of the ones who make them their life

[@Zal0vid]

If you are actually a fan of Hololive this is actually bad, the man says he "did research" but then uses non Hololive talent to show how bad they are. What a gross miss characterization on his part.

[@Zal0vid]

@@lostfootage1999 I can see you don't do your research but everyone in Hololive has some talent whether be good at art singing and dancing or just being a really good entertainer.

[@mumberthrax]

@@Fulcrox I wouldn't call the people who would be moved by the video to hate vtubers "weird conservative men" - I would wager that most of the ones who would jump to that extreme are gen Z, right-wing (not conservative), and mostly good people trying to defend themselves and those they care about in a world that appears designed to try to fuck them over. Some of the vtubers, like some of the indie ones, are deserving of scorn, imo. Rather than "all vtubers are bad people", I think the takeaway from Pax's video ought to be "there is a dark *side* that people ought to be aware of, and guard against", in the same way there is a dark side to many other entertainment media even if there is content within an infected domain that is still good, enjoyable, and worth engaging with. My preference would be for the video to have emphasized that idea, and to have left out some of the rhetorical trickery like zooming in on Botan laughing and implying personal sinister intent, or somewhat misrepresenting Risu's NNN joke.

[@satleethesimptraitor3212]

16:55 holy shit that hits cold and hard at the same time good video bro.

[@Damage_r]

What a wonderful video essay, it was funny, informative and just overall great, thinks pax for uploading this video. Keep up the good work.

[@asrieldreemurr6886]

Good video pax. However, I do have a critique. If you’re going to put up immodest imagery like that, it really needs to be censored. You wouldn’t want one of your videos to incite someone to lust the way these Vtubers do so intentionally.

[@calinvlad858]

18:28 For the one that doesn't know who this guy is, search Unabomber. I recomand also looking into his ideas.

[@antoniomosley4961]

Although he is known for his other works.

[@Felipe-kv8qd]

The Industrial Revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster-

[@tactknightgaming2066]

Unabomber was a tranny and a coward. He didn't stick to his convictions and died in prison like a true pussah.

[@FBread-xj8qk]

I do watch vtubers (and actually do like them I guess??? but I don't give money or some) but man, I'm too busy malding in dota 2 to actually feel any semblance of connection to any of these people...I do feel genuinely sad for people who see vtubers as obsessive, genuine ties of friendships...because cmon now, we all know that it aint how it works.

[@TheZombie2415]

I just recently argued with someone about vtubers thing I do thing it is sad. I don't know why but something really struck me when it comes to simping or idolising someone. I mean it's their time and money, but in the end idk what's more depressing than malding in Dota 2 or spending hundreds to thousand of hours trying to get attention or idolising someone who don't know you even exist. In general playing Dota as someone whose already 5k hours isn't even healthy but I had my fun. I also did watch vtubers on the early days then I realized, is this really where I'm heading to? Then reality struck me harder that these girls never existed in the first place if it wasn't because their fake persona.

[@FBread-xj8qk]

@@TheZombie2415 yeah, me with 2k hours of dota 2, still in Guardian rank, all I do is sniff copium everyday xD

[@TheZombie2415]

@@FBread-xj8qk sometimes higher rank doesn't means better. It's more of a stress. I realized it when I hit Divine back then. I could climb up as Immortal support but what's the point of doing it unless you're going pro. At some point you just come by to enjoy game and screwing around. At least it's not as copium as seeing vtuber getting butchered by Schizo and fans. One must agree that as toxic as Dota community is, Vtuber community is one hell of a drugs tho.

[@FBread-xj8qk]

@@TheZombie2415 no, I just suck a lot, HAHHAAH

[@thegreenfather1978]

I was looking forward for this video, Pax. I was somehow expecting a harsher critique coming from you, but it was very on point. When I first discovered vtubers, I actually enjoyed watching a few clips of them. I quickly realised that they were just 3D versions of e-girls, but without the degeneracy (or not as much), leaving them in my eyes in a grey area. Then some of them started to turn up the sexual content, sometimes quite high. I abandoned the boat. It's a shame, really. I don't think it was "good" entertainment, but I think it would have been ok if it didn't go the degenerate route. Expecting the vtubers simps to brigade this video...

[@brob657]

I won't lie, if you thought of them as 2D versions of E-girls, then at that point would any female content creator count as a e-girl to you? Or would it specifically count towards any female streamer? I am a Vtuber fan, but I don't see neither the 'Degenerate' side as anything alike E-girls, nor the non-degenerate side. I feel like you've either seen a very handful of both female content creators, and the ones you have seen simply easily fit into that corner of "E-girls". Truth is, it was quite hard, and still is quite hard for female entertainers to get anywhere without using sex appeal in some way, but IRL and Vtubers(though, it's easier for vtubers to just slap on a cute avatar without much of sex appeal and let their personality do the rest.). You can just see it by comparing how many female streamers or content creators use their bodies vs the male ones, then see how many female content creators that don't use their body exist and are successful comparebly to the male ones.

[@thegreenfather1978]

@@brob657 E-girls use sex appeal to attract young lonely men and get their attention and money. That's it. Most vtubers I've seen fit the description. Very few don't, like maybe Tem or Pikamee (unsure). As for female content creators, you can check the girls on Hermitcraft, like Cleo, Stress or Pearl. 100% family friendly, 0% sex appeal, and yet they make good content and are successful. If there are not as many successful female content creators as male ones, it's either because there are less of them to begin with, or because they're not as good as their male conterparts. People only care about being entertained, who you are doesn't matter. That's all. It's funny how you bring up this discrepancy, considering how few male vtubers exist. If female content creators have to resort to sex appeal to be succesful, and every single successful vtuber is female, then wouldn't that mean that vtubers are inherently sexual at their core? Ergo vtubers are just anime e-girls?

[@carso1500]

@@thegreenfather1978 and the problem with sex appeal is, hey there are people who are attracted to that and if they go as far as paying them for providing them with that kind of content i dont really see the problem, some vtubers also do that kind of thing but with an anime avatar, others dont, like what are exactly the negatives? yeah yeah "attract loney men and extort them from their money" if you have money to give to a female streamer or a vtuber its not like you are being held at gun point, most people choose willingly to give money to their favorite streamer or content creator because they can and are either entertained, amused or interested in the content they are producing be that "100% family friendly 0% sex appeal" or straight up porn, i fail to see the problem with that also the video goes on a weird rant about how porn is bad and has to be banned like really?

[@thegreenfather1978]

@@carso1500 "I fail to see the problem with that" Yes, you do. And yes, pron is bad for your health. Pax has made a video on that, check it out. Stop being a coomer. You can fix yourself, it's never too late.

[@carso1500]

@@thegreenfather1978 nah, i had a longer comment btw but they keep getting erased i don't know if by KZbin or some auto ban rules the content creator put on his channel so I will just say this Pornography isnt the devil and while people can certainly get addicted to it the same way you can get adicted to basically any substance like sugar or beer most people arent adicted, the problem with such black and white mentality is that you put ahead all the bad stuff (that some negative will always exist) but also forget all the good that comes from it, that there is plenty btw Like watching that video you mention i just see an insane amount of cherry picking information, making assumptions based on limited data, or distorting some of that data ignoring some points from the oposition, etc all to put forwards an agenda "porn is evil lets ban it" by throwing the blame of many problems of society in it and then searching for information that will support that point (a huge red flag) Let people do whatever they want it will not the "the end of society" or whatever Lets see if this one gets erased too

[@Damage_r]

Yay 😃 new pax tube video. Thinks pax god bless.

[@everydayfun9531]

Thank you so much man for bringing me back to my senses man I just wanna be able to find a real woman and not having to depend on these virtual girls or anime girls...

[@PeruvianPotato]

Hope you managed to find one by now brother. I remember I was like you back in 2020 until I began my first relationship with a girl who was just the sweetest person I've met up to that point.

[@thatonecaster6501]

Im glad I'm not the only one who knows about these things that you've explained in this video

[@Fulcrox]

Eww, a Fate Apo fan

[@TGyaru]

This video resonates my most point why in the middle on Vtubers in generals for a while especially when business organizations involved. Yeah they are cute and talented and these should be appreciated but when it draws the line of exploitation is no good. Just like the dark side of self improvement courses, one crosses a line to exploit their audience situation just to keep them hook on to their streams and generate revenue. Sad to know one of former talent of Cover is alleged to practice such exploitation *ehem* Rushia. We have no such cure to extreme cases of simping but providing awareness can dissuade them from falling into this trap.

[@Throughthelurkinglass]

One advantage of being a cartoon essentially, is best talent will rise to the top, looks are less important, they will get better over time, while the regular women's focused on looks, will fall off.

[@thepengyknight]

It’s kinda funny really. People who are too trusting tend towards unhealthy parasocial relationships, but people who don’t trust enough tend towards no relationships at all

[@liamimbriolo6066]

Not a fan of Vtubers but this video is more about the loneliness we're all feeling. This video just made me realise I'm not alone in being alone. All irony aside, that doesn't make me feel any better. I know its a meme, but the sentiment of wojack and "feels bad man" is so applicable to me and so many others. May God have Mercy on all our souls.

[@TheZombie2415]

The hard to swallow pills you mentioned is that about the fleeting time. You'll never know what comes after you until you start regretting things with time that could be used for better things. Some may argue that as long they enjoy it, it doesn't matter, right? That's what they said at first... And there won't be second time. If I could escape from reality, I will definitely would do it but it is what it is. Vtuber thing is definitely a good way for escapism but once you're inside, it might be hard to get out.

[@Mr_Mistah]

It's not hard for me. Because I'm a grown ass man with a job. Don't have time to watch "vtubers" scream into a microphone. Kids do, which is why majority of their audience are kids.

[@francescobarale2694]

It Is, managed tò get out in time, but many didnt. In fact, there Is a "meme" in the vtuber community: once you get in to the rabbit hole, ( they literally call It like this), you never come back

[@MrMdhoward5]

New pax tube just drop!!!

[@jirislavicek9954]

Thank you! Everyday I learn something new 👍

[@icyBulls]

Reject Degeneracy Brothers and Sisters ✝

[@moebible7428]

Can't wait to watch this one Pax

[@Phiiiiiiiiiiiii]

There are some valid criticisms like the sexualization, parasocial delusions, relationship baiting, and how many young men uses Vtubers as a substitute for real relationships. But, there are other points that makes no sense: - This video took the nut joke out of context, and framed it as a blatant encouragement of porn addiction. The context is: Risu is a squirrel character, and when she say stuff like "have you guys gotten your biggest nut yet", it's supposed to be a squirrel joke. - Vtubers don't have the responsibility to make their content kids friendly if they don't specifically target their content for kids. Should Hollywood make horror movies less scary because there is an entire demography of curious 15 years olds who can bypass parental supervision? - How is detachment from reality a problem if it's for entertainment purposes? Yes, a person with parasocial tendency will not be able to tell fiction from reality. But, most sane audience understands they are engaging in temporary suspension of belief because they're enjoying a piece of entertainment. - Capitalism has loads of problems, but contrasting them with China doesn't make a convincing argument. Criticizing capitalism as a default "profit over moral" and correlate it with the whole Vtuber scene is grossly reductive. Especially in the case of Hololive, this agency has been shown to have strong moral commitments like ensuring their idol's fair share of compensation, protecting their privacy and freedom outside of work.

[@yukiko6137]

But these men can't get relationships anyway. Like I'm sorry but we've unleashed hypergamy to such extent that women don't consider 80% of men as average, much less desirable and they even act on it.

[@hesiod_delta9209]

Yeah, even if trends are obnoxious, telling people to not follow them won't help the pursuit of original content. Hololive is rooted in idol culture, but it doesn't hold those traditions as gospel.

[@amolodchik]

I will not argue. I agree with the arguments in this video. I have avoided vtubers for a long time. But I learned more about them and now I watch some of them. Without fanaticism, of course. Some of them are just fun to watch.

[@Mr_Mistah]

No they're not.

[@amolodchik]

@@Mr_Mistah For you, but not for me.

[@nealang9520]

​@@Mr_Mistahokay dude, guy in the video was being respectfully critical of this whole thing but you're just a downright hater (no need to make that known to _everybody_ )

[@suparockr]

I think that by saying that there are talented V-tubers who can entertain you're being way kinder than a lot of people who are going to agree with this video. I think that the phenomenon of parasocial relationships and the manifestation of them in modern world are important to acknowledge the existence of. I don't agree with the idea that the streamers are just playing to their audience since the big companies are in charge of the character designs and they stream too often to convincingly fake a persona. If you see a degenerate, the chances are they're just as much of one when the camera's off. I also think that religion is a red herring in this conversation. You bring up how poorly Japan is doing with its relationship problems and how China is doing better but neither is very Christian like the US and Russia.

[@Zal0vid]

Anything can become toxic. also no shit they create a persona they are entertainers, but their persona is built of their own. Blaming the fall of western civilization on Vtubers without realizing they have merit is kinda cringe.

[@KaiserTrigger]

It sounds like this guy is grasping at straws to find a reason why Vtubers are destroying civilization, when in reality, civilization has been trying to destroy itself, like how divorce courts are run, career politicians being a thing, and it's been doing it for centuries. This is like a desperate cover up for the fact he just doesn't like Vtubers, but wants to milk out some kind of hardcore reaction like "OH LOOK HOW UNCHRISTIAN THIS IS". I know actual traditional Catholics, talked to one the other day, friend of mine, and he'd probably say you're making a gigantic waste of time for doing this kind of video and bringing in religion into it. This guy sounds more like he's larping his religion. Using religion as a weapon against vtubers also just seems like a disgraceful use of religion. Why not use religion to talk about the way politicians falsely claim to be men of god. Also probably a bit of an incel if he tries to talk about MGTOW, and then never touches on what MGTOW even actually has to do with the grander scheme of vtubers themselves. Just some hot topic buzzwords.

[@absolstoryoffiction6615]

Amusing... Even in mankind's origin. Nothing has changed. No matter... This ordeal ends rather shortly. Every other "evidence" is not even close to the truth of the matter. People choose what to buy. The form a marketable relationship. Nothing more or less. The things about religion and so on?... This ordeal is the byproduct of the old wars before America existed. I am amused but it was as designed by the progenitors of mankind.

[@TheWeedIsland]

@@KaiserTrigger sounds like you're coping

[@KaiserTrigger]

@@TheWeedIsland Sounds like you just hate anything with cute anime avatars.

[@xykiller6976]

3:45 i like how Tim pool is in the middle of a bunch of V-Tubers lol

[@MeA-aSchwalbe]

Now this is what I've been waiting for.

[@ArilandoArilando]

1:25 I really love that scene of Haruhi.

[@tabbender1232]

Haruhi is massively underrated

[@ArilandoArilando]

@@tabbender1232 Yep

[@Kuribohdudalala]

I think you’re being a bit too cynical here. I doubt the Vtubers are “laughing” at their audiences.

[@Jordan.A.07]

This was an incredibly well done and well researched video. I also found it woefully insightful ("woeful," in the sense that this video, while invaluable for its ability to bestow wisdom, also brings pain and suffering along with it-- as it leads us to discoveries that are cumbersome in weight, and problems that have no real remedies for them). Anyways, I especially love how your video gets very close to the root of the problem of Vtuber Parasocialism-- that more and more men are just plain lonely nowadays. This insight alone brings a new dimension of understanding to this topic, understanding which we can then use in addressing this multi-faceted issue. And lastly, I love the Tokyo Ghoul part of this video. It was undoubtedly the best part, and it is something that I will giggle over for years to come, i'm sure! 😂

[@rafidbariq385]

Btw, I've seen the 16:20 clip from memes a lot. Though, who's that vtuber?

[@TheSaiyanGamer25]

lol. The whole Rushia scandal just proved this video's point

[@stompchunkman4248]

I dunno who are worse: the "waifu" classic fanatic, or the apologists with their "it's not hurting anyone!" mindset. Though both are just wrong.

[@chacharealsmooth9480]

What happened

[@RaKalamando]

What russia scandal?

[@TheSaiyanGamer25]

@@RaKalamando *Rushia* (the vtuber) not Russia...

[@AshenChedツ]

@@RaKalamando accidentally calls her boyfriend Got banned and deleted its archives.

[@vaffanculo5085]

A few things I disagree with. The anti social fans is one. Now they're out there but it's every streamer chat has those few that speak loudly and say crazy shit and grow attached to people who don't even know them. Hell that's how Greek became friends with tyler1, another is the similarities with e-girls. You mostly compared vshojo and other English indies to them and made it seem like all vtubers just make non stop crude jokes when it really just depends on who's doing it, not only that while those like veibae is basically a vtuber egirl you got others who aren't as crude and actually talented entertainers. Lastly is the cash cow argument, there are a lot of streamers in general not just vtubers who only see fans as walking bank checks but you also have those who stream everyday making a 1/10th of the average income of the average vtuber streamer, not only that but the whole industry was built on a few who streamed for years with less than 100 views. Lastly I guess I should say why I watch vtubers before I get called a coomer. It's because it reminds me of old KZbin in a way I grew up watching twobestfriendsplay, the yogscast, the creatures, etc. Now all these groups are gone, disbanded, or they still make videos for a younger audience. Personally not a fan of grps like vshojo and all but there are streamers and vtubers who fill that gap of intertainment that can't really be found on KZbin anymore.

[@Zal0vid]

They are still going to call you a coomer for watching woman.

[@vaffanculo5085]

@@Zal0vid yea probably.

[@Zal0vid]

@@vaffanculo5085 Also while I do agree that its troubling to see our Civilization degrade, but to blame it on something that has only been around a few years is just sad and pathetic.

[@AragornRespecter]

I agree with practically everything here, even as someone who casually watches vtubers. Like most things there are the good and bad. And nothing is ever good if you become too obsessed with it. Was worried this video was just gonna crap on something I enjoyed, instead it was more nuanced than I expected, good work.

[@Zal0vid]

It wasn't nuanced at all. The man used Religous morality to justify why Vtubers are bad.

[@wllsknwlls1]

@@Zal0vid coomer on suicide watch

[@Zal0vid]

@@wllsknwlls1 Such cope

[@todd2.08]

@@Zal0vid coomer on suicide watch

[@Zal0vid]

@@todd2.08 cope

[@shapirodeadking5012]

please make a video on "In-cells". God Bless You And Your Family Brother.

[@leepybee7006]

Thanks this vid will be very useful for .. future predicaments...