The Death of Red VS Blue

[@highvelocitymouseassassina6646]

Favorite joke from the series is where tucker asks donut to build him a new robot body and donut responds with "We can't! We're out of parts because we've overused that joke!"

[@AmonTeiwaz]

My favorite is when Sarge is talking about how gullible Donut is. Sarge: Donut's impressionable, he'd believe anything you told him. Hell, he'd eat dirt if you told him it tasted like chocolate! Donut: *gasp* that's not true! Sarge: Heh, so that's where you finally draw the line, huh? Donut: No, I mean it's not true that dirt tastes like chocolate, right? ... Right...?

[@LucyWest370]

My favorite is Tucker: “Now Church, say something rebellious.” Church: “Uh, i want the working class to uprise against the rich people.” Tucker: “I said Rebellious, not revolutionary.” Church: “Oh, uh, i drive a fast car… over the speed limit.” Caboose: “I will go with you anywhere!”

[@zero1zerolast393]

We got one rule, don't kill the leader. We're still waiting for someome to follow that order.

[@ninjaman0003]

my favorite joke is when caboose suggests that the sword runs on solar power, church asks why solar power would make him sick, and caboose is smart enough to ask "is he republican?".

[@trevorsreya8277]

My favorite joke was: "Does anyone have a grenade?" "I gave mine to Caboose." "You What!?" Caboose: "Fire in the hole." and Caboose throws the grenade at the wall they were all hiding behind, true story.

[@MediaGhost_]

Too bad for the OG Cast are either fired, move on to different things, got in trouble for certain topics, etc. The early seasons will always be the quality content that Rooster teeth USED to produce.

[@number3766]

They should have just rebooted the series. Can't fix anything if there are no parts

[@mattwo7]

@@number3766 Rebooting wouldn't have fixed the underlying issues.

[@imlegos2153]

@@mattwo7 Besides, Zero is pretty much a soft reboot anyway.

[@mattwo7]

@@imlegos2153 We'll see about that. RT is clearly showing they heard the feedback with that "Family Shatters" nonsense but that doesn't seem to be quite working as well as they hoped. Only 1.4k likes on the only episode so far. That's an ouch, especially when it's just barely better than the episode of Zero uploaded beforehand.

[@LucyWest370]

@@mattwo7 at least the comedy was trying to be something more than “Raymond says an incredibly annoying thing and everyone ignores him”

[@JimFaindel]

RT really held the lightning in a bottle for far longer than it had any right to, and I am just glad we got so many fond memories out of their projects through the years. I love RvB up to season 13, RWBY up to season 3, the shorts up to the original 10 Little Roosters, and much, much more, but I cannot say I am a fan of the company anymore.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Don't forget achievement hunter and their early let's play Before they started to talk about politics 24/7 and made fun of those who didn't want to hear them talk about politics in their let's plays

[@naynay9133]

Rwby died with the creator I used to love it

[@TheMichaelmyth]

@@ImmaLittlePip Bro AH was my childhood. Almost 10 years of loving memories. I still watch the odd video and I highly recommend their new Olympics video. It felt like old AH and they even brought Ray back. Speaking of Ray. Out of all of them the only one I watch live/on twitch is him. He's somehow still pretty much the same. I go back to the early videos every now and then, even the odd relatively new one but I think the last really good thing they made were the like the first 3 seasons of lets roll and the bunny man play pals. It sucks.

[@chukyuniqul]

I actually managed to enjoy rwby except for v6 and 8. Hell, v8 itself had some good ideas regarding the villains like watts' outburst or salem being blindsided by hazel and outright fooled by cinder. It's like they can actually be quality because they don't need to fillibuster every damned moment. Also the brunswick farn arc was bussin'

[@fist-of-doom487]

@@ImmaLittlePip old school AH was great

[@JDWalker495]

They did my boy Tucker SO dirty in zero. I remember when they name dropped him at the end of an episode, I was so hyped, thinking they were going to to give him a dope fight scene to show off to the newbies that experience matters and to the audience how far he’s come (he was dubbed the most skilled soldier out of the original cast by Sarge of all people, and received training from wash) So when they did what they did, it killed any love that could’ve grown for this season. WHAT THE F*CK WERE THEY THINKING

[@TheMichaelmyth]

I hear you brother. I watched that shit live as a FIRST member. I did a series/episode review after every episode and boy was I pissed with how they did Tucker. They didn't even bother having him join the fight AT ALL. He got on the warthog and just stopped breathing. I thought when they finished the episode that maybe they were going to pull a fast one with the sword not working to at least have a decent arc where they need to protect Tucker since there was no way they were going to kill him off. Nah they just stole the sword he'd be holding onto since, what season 5? They literally just took it from him and gave it to some chick we don't know or care about and pulled a "oh he died for a few minutes but he's fine now". That show can go die in a hole.

[@broden4838]

@John Doe Pretty much like the Pegorinos downfall in GTA4

[@broden4838]

@John Doe Well, I've seen a lore video of that game and like what you said earlier, that RT picking up any dummy off the street is extremely risky and potentially dangerous move

[@RogueFox2185]

Season 13 was the Endgame of RVB, Church’s story ended there as well as the show’s in my opinion.

[@InitialPC]

I like to think Endgame was season 10 and season 13 was Far From Home.

[@thehalohomies]

@@InitialPC nah S13 was Endgame and S15 was FFH

[@InitialPC]

@@thehalohomies I didn't really like 15, personally

[@enjoiled]

@@InitialPC ye it sucked but it wasn't too bad

[@InitialPC]

@@enjoiled It wasn't too bad no, I love the premise of it with Andrews and the Blues and Reds, but after Season 13 it just kinda ended for me ya know? Also it going into time travel reality warping nonsense at the end didn't help.

[@Webshooters1]

Honestly, the Project Freelancer stuff was my jam. There were hints about it in the previous seasons and I wanted to know more to see how it tied to the Epsilon AI and Church and culminating at the end of Season 13 where everything just wrapped up in a neat little bow and if that was the end, it would've been beautiful. Church making one last sacrifice the give the Reds and Blues a fighting chance to survive. But I'll admit I even enjoyed Seasons 15-17 with The Shizno Paradox but even I had to admit the series just wasn't as funny as it used to be. Seasons 1-10 were full of good moments and even the Corus Trilogy. RVB was a great show, it felt real with real interactions and I would watch the series all the time back in high school. I even got the Seasons 1-5 box set from back in the day. One of m favorite lines I use to this day when someone tells me something obvious is "Can you put that in a memo and entitle it "Shit I Already Know?"

[@JetBalrog]

The end of Season 13 was absolutely where I stopped watching after seeing a single episode of Season 14. I loved the farewell, and how it really, really felt like everything just wrapped up so nicely and conclusively. It was nice and emotional, and felt like the perfect way to sign off form all the comedy from before. If the show *never* continued after that point, I would have been perfectly content... and as far as my own watching experience goes, it was.

[@imlegos2153]

@@JetBalrog The prologue episodes from Season 14, where they show the Reds and Blues being selected by Agent Florida/Captain Flowers are fine in my opinion. And I did like the Locus & Felix stuff despite it not really having any connection.

[@LucyWest370]

@@JetBalrog I really like how they handled 14. They wanted to keep making rvb but didnt want to ruin their epic finale. While it did seem like a big grouping of PSAs it was also a lot more unique than any of the PSAs ever had been even today. Then they ruined it so whatever

[@blindedjourneyman]

End of 13 is where I mostly stopped did watch 14 and that was it.

[@accidentalmadness1708]

@@JetBalrog season 14 has some solid episodes that connect to the reds and blues and the freelancers. Honestly if you skip past the useless stuff like the crossover’s and the Lego episode it’s fun As it’s own thing but not a main season.

[@ImperialHell172]

Personally I feel like seasons 11-13 showed us that the Reds and Blues were evolving as characters and as people and slowly beginning to take things seriously and it ended perfectly! Season 14 was good since it was an anthology, it really didn’t hurt anything BUT what came after? Oh that was when RVB began to die and Zero? It was the final nail in the coffin

[@ShirouBrando]

I couldn't agree more with this i absolutely love the end of season 13 its where rvb ends for me

[@Rifky809]

@@ShirouBrando eh, I don't really like project freelancer. RVB is always been Machinima to me first and foremost and seeing them change focus to this story focused animation part CGI is what turned me off of RVB.

[@ShirouBrando]

@@Rifky809 maybe its beacuse my friend introduced me to rvb through project freelancers and i watched it from the beginning afterwards but i loved the free lancer saga and i enjoyed the chorus trilogy but i never felt like they left that machinima feel completely

[@shaunjimbangan1166]

Personally, I think they only did that for blue team. Red team was very poorly treated due to them doing nothing but joking around and even having their character development undone.

[@ImperialHell172]

@@ShirouBrando agreed. It was the perfect send off for them

[@mattwo7]

RoosterTeeth did the one thing they never should have: Become a big, soulless corporation. They were at their best when they were just a small group of internet video creators.

[@AutZentus]

Well you can blame burnie for selling the company out.

[@therighttrousers343]

I mean, you can't be a small, soulless corporation. If you're evil and small, you can die real quick. You need to build up importance, intellectual property, and financial assets before you make your big villain debut.

[@mattwo7]

@Kristopher Prime By "full woke" i can only _hope_ you mean leftist corporate pandering and not actual "wokeness." Nothing woke about corporate bullshit. Kind of stopped there, kind of hard to read a wall of text with no paragraph breaks on a migraine.

[@QuantumAscension1]

@@AutZentus I knew the moment they made that deal with Fullscreen back in 2014, it was a death sentence for Rooster Teeth's creative soul. now, 7 years later, as predicted, most of the original crew and even a lot of the "second wave" people are gone and it's just a hollow shell of what it used to be, pumping content that gets less and less interesting and is mired in politics and social justice rhetoric.

[@broden4838]

@@AutZentus And Miles for fucking up the shows and making the fans yes-people

[@miguelescobedo5112]

Let's all agree that Rooster Teeth or whoever running it is really on a Downward Spiral not knowing what to do with some series like RWBY and Now Red VS Blue that's really sad.

[@kagekaiser9270]

I just wanna know if Nomad of Nowhere is dead forever or not.

[@mattwo7]

@@kagekaiser9270 Most likely.

[@Lajos_Kelemen]

But the thing is, even thought RvB and RWBY are a former shell of themselves, RT still makes a mint of them and they still have huge fanbases. And that's the sad thing about all of this, they lost all substance but they're still successful and worshiped.

[@strikeforce1500]

@@kagekaiser9270 holy crap, I forgot that exist. But most likely, yes. And honestly? Better keep it that way

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@@Lajos_Kelemen and ironically they're only worship for their early stuff

[@morganus1360]

13 really should have just been The End. That sacrifice was one of the few times that show got a emotional response beyond humor. Hit me hard, and would've been a beautiful send off as we're in the same position as Church just hoping what he did was enough.

[@ToxinWolffe]

I agree that Red Vs. Blue should have ended here. However, Season 14 does have some nice backstory, and I think is pretty good in terms of quality. I think it should have ended at 14 rather than ending at 13.

[@LucyWest370]

@@ToxinWolffe honestly 14 gave us more of Captain Flowers, cant complain about that

[@heartlessnobody1143]

Same, i liked the Chorus trilogy but damn it kinda made the final speech of church lose some weight

[@LucyWest370]

@@heartlessnobody1143 how?

[@heartlessnobody1143]

@@LucyWest370 oh wait i said it wrong, i meant the season 14 onwards, the end of Chorus was not knowing If they survived or not, and season 14 kinda showed the end, the Episodes of them explaining what the hell they were doing after Chorus is still one of my favorites

[@RedBoy747]

Red vs Blue Zero could have been a show about tucker getting his team of soldiers and trying to fuck it up like many things he did in the past. The team he gets assigned with could be equal fuck ups as well, and then let the shenanigans ensue with the typical RVB stuff then get to the zero shit.

[@cartoonking1789]

That would have been awesome

[@MatthewCobalt]

So, classic RvB with just new character and Chemistry. Like how it should have been.

[@RedBoy747]

@@MatthewCobalt more or less.

[@LucyWest370]

@@MatthewCobalt they couldve just rebooted the show with the rats nest crew or something but hell they just had to make zero

[@googleisevil8958]

The would have been awesome. Maybe have him talking to Wash and Carolina who are retired (after all the shit they've been through, they've earned it) and maybe have the two them remind Tucker how much of a pain in the ass he and the Reds and Blues used to be. Such a missed opportunity!

[@miguelperez9906]

I mean the freelancer thing also told us why church was well church.

[@supsup335]

Honestly, first i hated the freelancer stuff, but then i loved it. Even churches final, actual, honest to god death, was brilliant. Seriously, i cried. But after that, the show bosedived harder than that one freelancer pelicad that fell toward the sky

[@supsup335]

And yes, i'm talking season 13th finale, but up until then, the show was good. With some lows, but season 13 was, in my opinion, where they should have stoped. With his speech

[@crackerjack0349]

@@supsup335 13 is where the show actually stopped for me

[@dtrain8530]

@@crackerjack0349 cause season 10 and 13’s endings are god tier

[@Chatter_Blocks]

Red vs Blue Seasons 1 - 5. Very funny and good Season 6 - 10. Perfect and amazing! Could’ve ended it here Season 11 - 13. A great extension to see these characters keep on going. Could’ve ended it here Season 15 - 17. Uh oh… show should’ve ended wtf is happening Season: 18 AKA zero. Disrespectful to even call this Red vs Blue. All in all please end the show

[@vinyleader4852]

Why the ending of season 13 is so good is because throughout this entire series we watch every aspect of Church die. First it was Church’s very being, then his splintered emotions, his past, his love, his original body, and then when all that remains is his memory, even that eventually faded away. Church of every iteration has sacrificed more then any character I have ever seen on in fiction in hopes of a greater to future that he will never see, and he did it hoping it was enough.

[@Omentallic]

I personally think the season 13 cliffhanger being followed up by an anthology season was a good choice. The current story arc was completed; we left season 13 alongside Church with his final goodbye (hence "The End"); and it acted as a nice breath of fresh air after several story-heavy seasons (which made the season 13 ending feel more impactful and meaningful as we weren't just immediately thrown into another huge conflict). Had season 13 or the start of season 14 shown the fight to get out of the ship, I feel like it would have heavily detracted from Church's monologue - The open-ended sequence felt more fitting and generally worked better for the themes of the trilogy. You also seemed to just skip over season 15, lumping it in with season 16, which felt a bit odd given how disconnected they were outside of the last few moments (with season 15 not initially being intended as part of a new trilogy). Would have been interesting to hear your take on the Blues and Reds, especially given your prior comments on the Freelancers.

[@MelonTartVA]

I still think season 13 is the end of RvB. Sadly season 17 is likely the way it is because Burnie and Joel (voices of Church and Caboose respectively) left. Not sure of RoosterTeeth's relationship with Jason (voice of Tucker). So currently only the Reds, Washington, and Carolina are the only ones left from the old cast still with the company. I do agree that season 14 should've served as an epilogue for Chorus.

[@MrDell-lo5mz]

Geoff (Grif) was fired for sexual misconduct if I remember correctly. I don’t know about the rest, but I do know that what killed Rooster Teeth was soulless corporatism, content degeneracy, and social media pandering.

[@MelonTartVA]

@@MrDell-lo5mz yeah. I know that Matt (Sarge) was promoted to Burnie's former position

[@InitialPC]

@@MrDell-lo5mz That wasn't Geoff that was someone else.

[@InitialPC]

Saldana was "fired" from the role of Tucker (quotation marks because he isn't an employee at RT) what we see in Zero is reused lines from previous seasons spliced together to sound new. They did the same thing with Caboose, before firing Joel they had him voice a bunch of random lines, he only found out after he was fired that the purpose of this was so they could continue using his voice for Caboose without having to keep him at the company.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

@@MrDell-lo5mz wait wasn't that Ryan and some other guy from funhaus

[@metallord6960]

I gotta disagree with you on the season thirteen. One could argue that Church was the main character of the story, so at the end we were viewing the world of rvb with Church. In this case it makes sense for the series to end like that. We don't know if the reds and blues make it, but like Church we know them and have faith that they'll make it. In fact, I firmly believe that the series should have ended like that. No anthology, no shisno paradox (ugh), rather let the ending hang on the audiences faith in the characters, something that hasn't been done before as far as I can tell.

[@Yxcell]

Yeah, it would have been a pretty great 4th-wall-breaking ending. Shame they decided to continue the story after season 13.

[@riotkitty]

The Roosterteeth that had soul and heart, grows ever farther away. I remember going to the RT Con 2016 because I loved RWBY that much. Even tho it’s only been five years, it feels like a distant memory.

[@cosmoreverb3943]

I do quite like seasons 9 and 10 in terms of story, honestly I feel like that was some of the best writing and fight choreography to come out of RT. But that it feels out of place when the series should be focusing on the reds and blues is a fair point.

[@herpderp9108]

I didn’t mind the Freelancer story. It was kinda cool to see where the project originally came from and learn why it was started to begin with. I thought the Chorus trilogy was great. It had some good comedy and it was pretty cool seeing how a bunch of idiots ending up coming together after so many years to turn in legitimate heroes. It was something you never thought they’d be able to do outside of dumb luck like with the Meta. I was even okay with how season 13 ended. But as soon as actual time travel and battling gods started happening, I knew it was done. I mean, where do you go after the guys essentially punch God? I tried to watch Zero. I couldn’t get past episode 2, and after how dirty they did Wash’s injury and then Tucker? Fuck. That. Should’ve just ended it when Church died. He was the centerpiece of everything RvB because of Project Freelancer. When he went, PF died with him. The story was over. They could have had one last episode after that where they basically just retire on Chorus and finally have a real home and that would have been it.

[@imlegos2153]

I feel like you could dismiss the 'vilains being dumb' with Felix's established cockiness, combined with wanting to be there to make sure the prisoners they brought on actually finished the job, or at least weakened them enough to go down there himself and do the deed. And Locus is there because Felix wants to be sure about what he's doing and where; Felix is afraid of Locus afterall. As for Project Freelancer's growing prevalence; I feel it could be considered a result of the episodes getting longer, a desire to flesh the world out more, and a reason to have the present cast go around doing stuff. 16 minutes of straight comedy just probably wouldn't work that well, so they split that into an action/drama-focused 'prequel' segment that gave backstory to the newer characters and Church & the AIs while establishing a new villain; Dr. Leonard Church. Season 11 was probably trying to ease a new cast & writers into RVB so they went with the old style, but with such a drastically new circumstance that it still stood out. Season 13's ending also felt good and comparable since it wrapped up Church's story when Season 10 just wrapped up Project Freelancer. Season 14 (The Anthology) does have it's good episodes; the prologue episodes featuring Flowers gathering the Reds and Blues for their 'endless stalemate' are alright. And while they don't really contribute anything the Felix & Locus episodes were fun too.

[@walkingcubkid]

Somehow the filter AND the spinning picture during Carolina’s introduction of the team clip made the footage much better to look at than the other clips you’ve shown. Lol

[@Sonicfalcon16]

I remember back to back watching the series until 8 where I swear it peak and ended strong, saw the trailer for 9 got hype and because it took so long to make my hype died over time because of how long it took so i didnt get to 9 or 10 until 10 years after their release.

[@SithLordMalco]

Eh i will slightly dissagre with you on the whole DEATH BATTLE Personality thing - while they tend not to focus on personality compared to combat they do sprinkle in some moments of neat charcterization. I really liked the moment when Yoda willingly gives up using his Lightsaber and trusts in the force in Yoda vs Mickey.

[@SithLordMalco]

Or pretty much all of Goku Black vs Reverse Flash

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@TheExiled112 , Iron Man is a just a SJW liberal cuck unlike Batman because both have Kyrptonite suits; both are billionaire playboy philanthropists, and both are the main three members of their hero team, but what makes Batman and Iron Man different is that Batman would never support the superhero registration act/the accords like Iron Man does, so yes both Lex Luthor and Iron Man don’t have the personalities of them that have in the comics, and Death Battle is just a web series known for its fight scenes and nothing else.

[@makerviewr1cn356]

wtf are you on about

[@holloworacle3140]

And that one death battle between Deadpool and Pinkie Pie

[@silverfox8917]

Death battle was never good or accurate, hence the millions of death battle debunked vids

[@smallsoul2374]

The series pretty much died after season 13 for me, with the exception of the Felix / Locus trilogy in 14.

[@nitros1ty544]

Season 11-13 were my favorite arc.for the story and the best ending in my opinion if you ignore the seasons after its the perfect show

[@randomcenturion7264]

Exactly.

[@leikfroakies]

Season 12 is my favourite and the mercinaries are my favourite villains ever. Of all time.

[@anti-roxas850]

*OOF. I'm pretty sure the majority of the community thinks the introduction of Freelancers activity improved the series.* The comedy and action was the beauty of R&E. The red & blues were given more serious situations while being their comedic selves. All ending with a beautiful blend that was ended perfectly when Church sacrificed himself.

[@brandonsargent6610]

Exactly, when you see anyone talk about RVB, they ALWAYS mention how much better it gets with the freelancers. The humor was definitely still there in spades, we just happened to have an entertaining plot to go along with it.

[@stennie4132]

Haven't watched the RvB Zero section yet, as I haven't even watched past Season 15 and don't really plan to, but this video honestly sums up most of my feelings about Red VS Blue. Great show, and the tonal shift isn't really bad imo, but you can definitely see the quality degrading over time. And THANK YOU for addressing the Tucker thing, that upset me so much whenever I first saw S15, and I thought that I was alone in that opinion since I never saw anybody say anything about it. Seasons 14 and 15 together were probably the reasons I stopped watching, and while I personally enjoyed the Freelancer seasons and the Chorus trilogy and never thought about them in this light, you do make some good points with them. The Freelancers might have been much better as a spin-off, especially considering that it would have given them even more time to flesh it out. Alright, I'm gonna stop rambling now; I think I'm just happy to see this stuff addressed, so I wanted to say something. I think I need to rewatch this series with a more critical eye. But anyways, onto the RvB Zero section!

[@benjackman4814]

RvB went on for way longer than I ever thought it would so I can't complain. Overall the series is still one of... if not the greatest comedy ever. Of all time.

[@kennysalty6019]

I will absolutely admit that some bits of the chorus trilogy do give off some vibe of a second order idiot plot, but I wouldn't call it a bad story by most means. And the cliffhanger is, to me, a good thing. Church has kind of been our main character for the series as a whole. When he finally goes, it kind of makes sense that we go too. We see through church, once he's gone, we're gone. And I for one have a real fucking love for Felix as a villain. They made the perfect villain in that you Love to fucking despise him. He'a a manipulative, lying, egotistical, bastard through and through, and its done well. Really well. You love to hate him, and cause of that, fucking love him.

[@themphantom9138]

I didn't even know they had a "New Season (Number 18)" before now. (I only used to watch RVB on KZbin, so I haven't noticed Zero before now)

[@BlueTeam-John-Fred-Linda-Kelly]

Rip red versus blue season 1-13 you will always be remembered and re-watched forever.

[@randomcenturion7264]

1-13 indeed. We need not speak of anything else.

[@ExceedinglyFPR]

Always thought rvb should have ended on season 10, while i enjoyed parts of the later season the end of season 10 was such a perfect ending point for the series. The story gets wrapped up cleanly, you get the nice storybook ending to where it mirrors the past but shows the growth, as well as leaving the future open-ended but without a cliffhanger. Would have been a great ending and everyone would agree that rvb was a great piece of media through and through instead of dragging it on and letting it deteriorate.

[@numberoneintrovert]

I was with RvB since the first five seasons on Netflix. I stopped at 14 because I had a feeling anything past that would be straight filler. Glad I followed it.

[@concordiaharmony2302]

I think the series should have ended with season 14. While it was an anthology I feel like season 13 had a good enough bittersweet ending. Season 14 felt like a sort of final hurrah, stretching not just RvB fans but also the Halo series.

[@IvanLerma759]

I'd say 14 was a bonus season to give fans a sweet treat before ending the series.

[@nathantebbens634]

Good video man! I do see what you mean by a shift in focus around season 8, but I wouldn't say that was the start of a downfall. Many people say the show peaked in season 6-10, and the finale in season 10 was where the show should have stopped. The "return to for" you mention in the first half of season 11 for me was actually a bit of a drag, seeing as in seasons 8-10 I saw how incredible the show could be, and now we were back to the same jokes we had heard for 6 years. The season 11-13 arc starts slow, but in my opinion has an even better finale than season 10. I also believe that season 14 makes sense where it is, leaving the cliffhanger in season 13 unanswered. It would actually make the most sense if it was never answered, seeing as that was what church's monologue was all about. If you ask me, though there was a shift in focus around season 8, the depart from what made the show great really started when they continued the story into season 15.

[@DracoMaverick]

I haven't seen RvB for so long and it was a big impact for me and how I perceive comedy and other elements. And now I see how it is currently. And yes. This is genuinely sad.

[@tobluetoblack]

This is one of my favorite descriptions of Red Vs Blue. the entire blood gulch crew are composed of one brain cell that they share between one or two people per season

[@uh-ooooh]

On another note, the freelancer saga was fucking amazing though. Even from the huge departure of tone, the fact that it was still hilarious, and I was able to care about those characters that I only got to know for a small amount of time, on top of amazing fight scenes and music, that saga was awesome. I really can't say the same unfortunately for the future seasons, especially with Zero. The least those future seasons could've done was at least be funny and entertaining but it was just beyond cheesy.

[@soldatdaniels8738]

Monty's fights got me into the show....then Rwby.....then .....yeah. Why did this stuff go to people like these?

[@SImrobert2001]

People today will never be able to appreciate Monty, and that saddens me.

[@danielmarin6127]

Rwby died alongside Monty

[@soldatdaniels8738]

@@danielmarin6127 Aye. Sadly it did.

[@alexrecrem9094]

Perhaps the saddest thing for me about rooster teeth is the fact that nomad of nowhere, a show with so much heart and a great story, was such a small blip that was shoved under the rug that it isn't even talked about at all.

[@dariusshams962]

I think the series was perfect for the first 13 seasons, Seasons 6-10 were the peak, which served as a finale to the freelancer arc, s 11-13 was a great additional story that expanded the depth of characters and provided rvb's best villain (Felix), don't get me started on the final scene of s 13

[@Demiurge0000]

Will watch later but when I see the title I gotta add my two cents that I can 1. RVB was the greatest thing of all time, the writing made it feel like we were watching (or I suppose listening) real interactions between people 2. RVB died when zero came out, unless they reveal that zero was actually one of Jax's attempts at making a movie or show it was absolute dog shit

[@faithseden293]

I agree with almost everything you said, though I loved the Chorus Trilogy. I miss when Roosterteeth was fun…

[@CSpaDinner]

Iron Man VS Lex Luthor is a very weird example to use for "no personality" should've gone with Tracer VS Scout or Batgirl VS Spider-Gwen

[@TheWaverunners]

Yeah, I kind of regret putting that one in hindsight, I mainly did it for the aesthetic.

[@shaunjimbangan1166]

Ya

[@Normandy1998]

Fact that Rooster teeth is now retconning everything post season 13 finale and getting back Burnie burns to write a final season tells us how right manga is here, still hope last season retains old quality

[@Calruxio]

The first 8 seasons: Hilarious Seasons 9 - 13: Decent/Good. Everything else: a steaming pile of crap with a few chuckles. Still like to go back and watch the first few seasons. The same can be said about Achievement Hunter and their Minecraft and GTA series. They are really driving those two series into the Earth's core.

[@GoinGreninja]

Agreed. Season 1-8 is absolute gold. 9-13 is pretty good but a bit less good than the previous seasons and by 14-present, it sucks HARD.

[@ImmaLittlePip]

Man early achievement hunter was amazing

[@uh-ooooh]

Man, I remembered watching literally just a few seconds of RVB Zero and thought "this is going to be horrible." The over-the-top designs, the lens flares, even just the mere body language animations of simple conversations told me that this wasn't going to be about anything at all and it was going to be the most unfunniest thing I've ever seen. And that was only gathered by a couple seconds. But I wanted to give it a chance because I thought I was being over-predictable in my pessimism. I was wrong.

[@fuckingking6796]

Bro l understand

[@hyperx72]

The Generic rap intro didn't help either.

[@uh-ooooh]

@Jacob J4746 Usually, but there are many things that happen in life that humble you in realizing that your first suspicions aren't always right. It's why I try to give things a chance.

[@MrDell-lo5mz]

My two cents: I watched RvB when 1-5 came out on Netflix, and then binged the remainder of the show, watching it weekly as the Chorus Trilogy came out. Personally, I feel (like many others here) that Season 10 or 13 made itself a great end to the series (13 IMO being better and having more meaning although bittersweet). I was fine with Season 14, as it cleared up some things, offered best backstories and fun side stories to the main plot. When Season 15 came out, I watched that weekly as well, and I remember being a bit frustrated as to not seeing the Reds and Blues for like the first four episodes and being annoyed with the new characters. I didn’t really care for the plot line of the main season as well, not really grabbing me. I watched like one episode of 16 and then I just stopped keeping up. I feel that what would have made Season 15 better and not deal with 16 and 17 or just tackled them differently is this: After they won the battle and hear Church’s story, the Blues (not really the Reds I don’t think) would I think sort of have a moment of grief, especially Carolina and Wash. IMHO, with a little rework and actual respect put into it, Zero would have honestly been a better fit, with Tucker leading Shatter Squad, and Carolina and Wash acting more as mentors. Let’s also say Zero’s plan to get unimaginable power does work in a sense and ends up causing the “Shizno paradox”. New has to meet old (Caboose being more depressed than Season 11 or angry more often, Reds wanting another enemy to fight, etc.) and work together to stop it and stop Zero. Boom, you’re done. The only other alternative to make Zero better is make it separate from RVB (or at least a side-story divorced from the main cast).

[@agenttex5973]

I wouldn't call Season 13 a cliff hanger it was an ending, You were supposed to see what happened as church says you just have to have faith they'd make it "Ain't that a bitch" Oh and to be fair 14 Had some canon episodes giving back stories to the reds and blues so that was neat

[@zachaustin5225]

I liked the freelancer portion of the series because I liked all the characters and the drama had already been seeping in over time. The few freelancers we knew from the beginning were introduced organically. The time travel seasons and especially Zero didn't have that organic introduction of the characters and of course the old one's were gone. The show can be comedy, drama, or anything else but It can't just turn on a dime or forget its own characters!

[@palblue]

i remember when this was on netflix, never watched it which is sad. But now i wanna watch it

[@SirPream]

I can always watch the first 5 seasons without hesitation, I still have all 5 on the original DvDs and consider the bonus ending of S5 where they all kill each other as my head canon. I didn't mind the other seasons afterwards, but the season with God AI did it for me as the sure sigh RvB died, and double so when I heard they fired Joel (Caboose) for not "towing the line". Add to the fact Burnie literally did a Church and vanished from RvB to "move to new projects" and that was all I needed to see that RT will go the way of Machinima soon. It was a wild ride, but now RT and RvB is just... dust and echoes...

[@travaughnanderson3958]

and project freelancer was also dope asl. characters like york and Wyoming were fun to watch and some fan faves tf

[@volrag]

I really enjoyed RVB in the earlier series, I thought it was hilarious and loved it. In a way it reminded me of some of the comedy shows I watched growing up like Red Dwarf and Blackadder, shows that focused much more on the characters and writing than the setting or action. When it started focusing more on freelancers, I found myself losing interest in the show. It just wasn't what I wanted any more, the comedy was changing from being writing and character based to being physical comedy. Not that it's wrong, it's just not want I was looking for. I think it was season 8 or 9 that was the last one I watched, it just wasn't the show I wanted any more.

[@Kelis98]

Red vs Blue has always been one of favorite series. The mix of comedy, action, and lore/story is great. Red vs Blue having some focus on seriousness and freelancers wasn’t a bad thing IMO, though I see your point and I agree there should be some of Reds and Blues in there. You could argue wether season 10 or 13 is a better ending. I agree the freelancers was a shift but I don’t think that was bad (at least not on its own). Season 14 had some good stuff in there. Season 15 and onward is when the series had a quality shift (in many people’s eyes anyway). Though I have yet to see those seasons myself so can’t speak on them myself.

[@thebestSteven]

They're not terrible. The ending is solid for those 3 seasons, but compared to season 13 ending, doesn't feel like it should be the end of the entire show. Like, they save the universe and then it's like, alright see ya.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

............Wait, Is Miles Luna single-handedly responsible for Rooster Teeth dying? Let's talk a minute about Monty Oum. Now, being as impartial as I can be about him, Here's what I think about him. Dude is one of the most impressive 3D Animators I've ever seen, His writing is......alright, him dying it when RWBY went off the rails, so I'm inclined to believe that at the very least he was a better writer than who is left at Rooster Teeth, but his writing wasn't exactly revolutionay. What made his work, specifically RWBY, well......work. Was that his animation skills were off the rails, his writing was......acceptable, even good at times, I've seen Network and Streaming Service shows with FAR worse writing than him, it helps that he would focus on setting and character focus. No BS, just story and fighting. The problem with the works AFTER his death are simple. A, and this would be a hard act to follow for pretty much ANY Studio really, no one can really compare to him Fight Choreography wise, he was simply a Genius at that. But....... B, For as merely alright as his writing was, it was LEAGUES beyond what the current writers at Rooster Teeth are capable of. This is a problem as, like I stated, his writing wasn't exactly mind blowing, so the fact they can't even reach THAT is a significant problem. His writing skills were made up by his sheer passion, world building, and most importantly his animation skills. Their writing could......almost be forgiven, I say almost cause they are CLEARLY incompetent and even Monty's animation skills might not have been enough to save their writing, if their animation skills were up to par or even just Choreography. So what does that leave? Well they also got rid of alot of the original guys responsible for RvB and in turn Rooster Teeth. These people simply are over their heads and far beyond the skills of the people who built the company to begin with. Which leads me to one statement: Rooster Teeth would be best served if Warner just put them under Adult Swim or even Toonami. I can't think of where else their style would work as well (That is owned or a partner of Warner.) and quite frankly these dumbasses need quality control that William Street might be able to provide. I could be HORRIBLY wrong about this assessment but given all the competent people are basically gone, this is the only way Rooster Teeth can be salvaged. RWBY (And Maybe Gen:LOCK, Season one already aired there.......yes really.) on Toonami, Nomad of Nowhere and Red Vs. Blue on Adult Swim Proper (Really Red Vs. Blue can work in either place, Action and Comedy alike makes it a pretty good choice for that.) as well as wherever for their other stuff. I don't know how else Rooster Teeth will survive long term.

[@leikfroakies]

@@EvilParagon4 Volume 4 is actually my favourite. There was so much heart in it and it was a great exploration of grief the perfectly mirrored what the writers were going through

[@Rangerj04]

The world building started to become an issue when they decided to be avatar. The writing was bad when Monty was alive, it was just less noticeable with the fight scenes and how small scale the setting was. With it now being about saving the world and travel to different kingdoms, the world building and the characters within it takes center stage, and the whole writing staff (not only Miles despite him being lead writer) is at fault. The 2 new writers started promising but vol 8 just about ruin any hope of them being an improvement. Kerry is not a good director 80% of the time.

[@Poor05CivicDriver]

MangaKamen is now a [BIG SHOT]

[@ProxyDoug]

Watching this after the Family Shatters clip they released today...oh boy, things are not going to get better.

[@SuperGBros]

Agreed. It's was already terrible since Zero Pretty Much ripped off Fast and Furious, and now to add salt to the wound they are ripping one of the most beloved comedy shows Family Matters.

[@spectralknightgaming8364]

The Virgin Zero -Named after a number -Let's the protagonists live because plot -Searches for the "Ultimate power" -Literally has the same colour pallet as Shadow The Hedgehog -Boring and edgy dialogue -Is a villain because of betrayal -Has to get Diesel to do all the heavy lifting because he's not strong enough -Powers include teleporting and a magic sword Vs The Chad Meta -Named after his goal -The Protagonists live because someone always showed up to stop him from ripping them limb by limb -Wants to achieve "Metastability" and grows more powerful along the way -Can change his colour scheme to whatever he wants but sticks with White and Brown because he doesn't need dark colours to be scary -Being a mute only makes him all the more scarier -Is a villain because A.I drove him insane -Can throw a 3 ton car like nothing -Can stop time itself

[@leikfroakies]

Not to mention that the AI is only a villain because it was trying to undo the damage done to it when it was tortured so it can become human again

[@John-Stark]

I am also convinced Meta got his Brute Shot by headbutting the Shit out of a Brute

[@pancholopez8829]

I yhink i said this like three times at this point. But I am happy that the three of the story sagas feel as though they could be their own endings to the series. Loved the Blood Gulch Chronicles? Season 5 is where it ends for you. Wanted to see the end of the Freelancers? Season 10 got you covered. An ambiguous last stand where our heroes may die? Season 13 has it for you. And to me, personally, the series ended in Season 13. Yes the Chorus Trilogy has its ups and downs, but it was better than post Season 13.

[@cartoonking1789]

I agree completely.

[@GoinGreninja]

Absolutely agree to that.

[@Sharpino1990]

Manga's reaction 10:56 So hilarious!!!

[@FrankTheMonk]

I definitely agree to some extent with what you mentioned here, but for me everything up until season 14 was good. Yes, there were some questionable moments in the freelancer saga, but I think many regard this sudden ability to become serious with an intricate plot quite inspiring. The ultimate form of comedy, after all, is to tell a story... But then they released a season that wasn't a season and tried to revert back to comedy too forcefully and basically mocked the audience with the next seasons. Either way, cool video!

[@jewelsdragonfly]

Since he's talking about Rooster Teeth lately, what's your opinion on the 2D side Rooster Teeth like Camp Camp?

[@haowig]

i used to enjoy it but i saw such a huge drop in quality between season 3 and 4 that i stopped watching. now ive tried going back to it, i dont really have an opinion on it other than i like nikkis design lmao

[@roflmywaffles1313]

Really dropped off after season 2. The parent child talent show was peak Camp Camp

[@crackerjack0349]

Camp Camp is not my thing

[@jackall-trades6149]

As directed by Ruin Johnson and good ole' Jar Jar. I miss the simple joke of these guys telling their friends about how they saved Christmas.

[@matthewradcliffe8289]

I honestly who heartily agree with everything you’ve said like you hit the nail on the head it’s nice to see other people feel the same way

[@Snakedude4life]

I still have the first couple of seasons on DVDs . Before.. _the dark days_ 🐍 💀 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@FirePuncher183]

I rly wanna step on that snake

[@sunbeames]

I fear snek, yet respect snek not because of fear but because of sneks good attitude.

[@lonewanderer3219]

RvB used to be so damn inspirational to me, as an aspiring creator. It showed that how far you can get with some clever comedy writing and passion. It build an entire company around it from it’s success, got its own game mode (Griffball) but now… I see it as an empty husk of what it once was. The soul is gone. The passion is gone. Replaced is a cynicism and a farce that feels like someone being forced to masquerade a dead horse around when it already ran it’s course. RvB should have ended at S10. It’s ending was perfect for me, and the director will forever stand out as a villain for me because it dropped the pretense of his schemes, and showed him as a man holding desperately onto the past. Now… I get nothing. Let the show rest.

[@broden4838]

Same here. Rooster Teeth should have never hired Miles Luna

[@lonewanderer3219]

@@broden4838 See, I think Miles *can* be a fine writer, it's just he forgets things easily and it leads to the writing equivalent of the cartoon scene of building a bridge using the same two pieces. He has long since lost the foundation he started with and gets more and more sloppy as a project goes on. What he does succeed at is comedy based things, such as RWBY Chibi or some of the first seasons of Camp Camp. It's just Miles biggest weakness seems to be his inability to work with a consistent cast and keep throwing new characters in the place of developing the ones presented already

[@broden4838]

@@lonewanderer3219 It's because of his actions that let to Rooster Teeth's downfall. if I was a owner of a company, I'd just lock the doors and call the cops if I see him approaching my business if he asks me if he can work with me

[@darkjackl999]

honestly i loved the pre 9 content, and i loved the freelancer prequel content chorus had enjoyable moments too, especailly the finale season 14 the hiring for blood gulch parts were good (especailly sarge's) everything after MEH literally watched the trailer for ZERO and knew it was gonna be *hard* pass

[@joegreen5505]

You should make a Ranking list about Rooster teeth Villains.

[@HectorCotto97]

Personally I really enjoyed RvB all the way to season 13 but they kinda lost me at the Blue vs Red business, I don't remember enjoying anything from that season outside of the initial trailer that made me curious to begin with.

[@jackmackattack7559]

Now we need Death Battle and we got the 3 Big Rooster Death show

[@4569packers]

There's 14 season. No more, no less

[@rjs4176]

It truly is a bottomless kind of shame you feel when you see a series that you love so much for whatever it was that made it great slowly devolve into an unintelligent, dragging, unbalanced slog that had long forgotten that special spark that made it all click. This is why nothing is meant to last forever, this is why nothing should continue to grotesquely stretch for 18 SEASONS, it was special to begin with because we thought we would be taken on a wild, wonderful journey right until the very end, however... When you finally realize that there is no end in sight you're stuck wandering the remains of a world where greatness once bloomed, destined for an eternity trapped in never-ending, ever-looping purgatory... Much like life, all of it is fleeting and temporary and trying to immortalize something, anything "forever" will only mean that in another time ahead of us through the eyes of another it would have long lost all of its meaning. Essentially making it worth... nothing. I thought of all that and have never once watched Red Vs. Blue... bruh.

[@sonicfanrc]

I personally believe red vs blue ended with "THE END".

[@MikeJr9284]

Red vs Blue, that’s something I haven’t heard about in over a decade.

[@mr.skullfacegarcia775]

11:49 thanks you!!! I never understood why people defended season 14 so much It was stupid

[@crackerjack0349]

On its own without 13 it was alright. I skipped it for a reason

[@GreenDinoRanger]

I only watch the first few episodes of season 14 as a prequel to blood gulch

[@BoxyBrown717]

RvB will always be a comedy parody series about Halo multiplayer to me which is why I appreciate the first five seasons the most. In terms of writing 6-8 do a fantastic job while having a serious plot and it's after this point my interest drops in the series. I've never watched past season 13 but every clip I see of seasons past it absolutely push me away from ever continuing further. Also, unrelated to RvB, but RWBY as a series peaked in its first trailer.

[@Minious1020]

i was introduced to RvB on Netflix and I loved it. havent seen much after season 10

[@silverfox8917]

Damn, I never really watched ruby but this show on the other hand, was part of my childhood… its a shame it went downhill and rooster teeth in general

[@Lobomaru02]

Honestly season 15 should have been the end. A loving send off to Church.

[@cartoonking1789]

Agreed

[@SuperGBros]

Same. Season 15 felt like a conclusion to the series since we got some closure on Church.

[@logeyperogi1805]

I won’t lie, after season 13, my love for the series started decreasing, not because of the comedy taking a backseat to all the serious storytelling, but because season 13 was the perfect ending, Church’s beautiful speech, the reds and blues being heroes But then, season 15 came out and at first I was not happy, but seeing the connection between Carolina and Washington as they fully come to terms with the fact that they’re the last of the Freelancers, them questioning if they can really start over, if they can really move beyond their pasts, that’s a plot I loved, and Carolina playing nurse for Washington in season 16, I loved that too But…everything else I wasn’t too happy with, because the comedy felt way too forced and ridiculous, and yeah, ridiculousness CAN be funny, but it doesn’t mean it WILL be funny, season 16 hurt to watch, and a lot of times I found myself saying “Are you serious right now? 😑” because it was so stupid, the only scene I liked from season 16 was Washington’s speech about responsibility followed by his emotional outbreak when he found out he had brain damage, that scene felt good because for the entire last season, followed with the events of season 16 leading up to that moment, Washington and Carolina had really started growing closer together, almost like the parents of the reds and blues, then Washington finds out that Carolina was keeping a HUGE secret from him and suddenly he doesn’t know if he can trust her anymore, that scene was incredible, and the way it affected Carolina was amazing too, because she was always trying to stop the reds and blues from being the jackasses they were, but then Wash had left, and after losing Wash, all she could think about was getting him back, and so she was done trying to stop the reds and blues, she just wanted her friend back Then season 17, which was a decent season, it wasn’t bad but it wasn’t the best, once again, one of the only things that was keeping me interested was the relationship between Washington and Carolina (ngl I fangirl screamed when they said they loved each other, I know it was probably more platonic but I really don’t care) and at the end of it all, I didn’t really hate it, especially how Carolina had to fight her inner demons, and so season 17 was a bit weird but overall, rather enjoyable when compared to season 16 Then…RVB ZERO…inhale and scream I watched ONE episode, then said “Well…this is garbage” JUST MAKE A DIFFERENT SERIES, GIVING IT THE TITLE “Red vs Blue” means a lot of shit needs to be brought in, otherwise it’s not Red vs Blue, it’s just a mess If they really wanted to do RVB Zero, they should’ve just made a different series, called it something else, take out the fan favourite characters like Washington and Carolina, just make something new instead of slapping the name of Red vs Blue on it, because it’s the same mistake the Star Wars sequels made In conclusion, after season 13, the main thing keeping the series alive for me was the development of Washington and Carolina’s relationship

[@tuckernutter]

This show became my bread and butter after a recovery from alot of depression shit in my life in my early early 20s. Being a electronically challenged kid most of my life I relied on watching rvb via old KZbin. And sad to say it wasn't until netflix actually had the first 12 seasons of rvb did I binge the ever loving shit out of this series. It helped me. I rewatched it so many times in awe of its evolution in story telling while still remaining true to its comedic roots. And seeing season 13 onward I was in for the ride, even after the shows decline in quality. I was too hesitant to watch Zero after knowing virtually no one but Tucker would return from the original cast, and as much as I love him, being a weirdo named Tucker myself, I can't watch a show without my boys and girls who I grew to love. Losing Church/Epsilon and Tex was a pain in and of itself, like losing any fictional character. But that wasn't as hard to swallow as what came next. Monty Oum's passing was RT's descent into relative mediocrity imo, dude was a fucking juggernaut and the first 2 seasons of RWBY will always be dear to me as from then onward: RT would milk the legacy of such a prolific artist that they turned the show into something he probably sure as hell never wanted... I'm glad I stayed with RVB and never watched Zero. Good things don't deserve to be tarnished, but when they are its best to remember what made us love that series in the first place, see what went wrong like with most hardships in our lives, and learn and move on from them. You'll always be there for me, RVB, but only in the bittersweet scent of nostalgia. RIP RVB, (and most of RT's content in general)

[@ChadKakashi]

Good criticism of Chorus trilogy. While I love that arc it’s not flawless. The biggest was not ending the series there and the only other major problem was the thing you mentioned but even then I don’t think it’s a fatal flaw. I think you’re exaggerating a little bit. It’s quite good in my opinion. Seasons 15 and 16 were pretty bad though. I still enjoy them somewhat but the cracks are too big to ignore. And season 17 is actually pretty decent. To be fair the whole thing is not flawless but it’s pretty good overall, until ZERO!

[@goldenangel158]

I use to love red vs blue but know I don't and it's sad

[@anthonyanderson3448]

I remember when red vs blue first came out. I was shock and ended up laughing wanting more but then it shifted to the past and my interest for it became lost. Then at times I would go back to the old seasons and discover oh more came out and it still didn't get my attention. So I stuck to what I love.

[@arc-warlock1748]

Almost every Red Vs Blue fan can agree. RvB ended once the Chorus Trilogy finished.

[@nathanpinell6274]

Honestly I was ok with seasons 15-17. But I do have to agree with the general consensus that it should’ve ended in season 10 or 13

[@vipersnow2780]

they should’ve ended it off with season 13. Churches goodbye speech just gave it the little boost of the perfect send off. If it ended there, you would have to think. What would Carolina do after finding out church is gone? also it’s quite funny how the rt had the shirts for RvB and church’s number was 13.

[@dandrive3249]

Since your talking about machinmas I would love to see your thoughts on Smash King. It’s a amazing series, and my favorite machinma.

[@rachelamber3505]

i miss Monty Honestly he was the true soul of rt

[@broden4838]

Knowing my behavior after his death, many of those who are loyal to him are going to be shocked, horrified, and angered of my views towards RT, especially Miles's fans

[@jamiebowshier3674]

THANK GOD that as of current moment in 2024 BURNIE FUKING BURNS THE GUY WHO VOICED CHURCH AND more importantly wrote the good seasons of RVB is back to make one more season RESTORATION and it retcons EVERYTHING past season 13 FUCK YEAH

[@bankasai3120]

Seeing those clips from the newest seasons brings me great pain.

[@SimonPetrikov12]

I got to say I disagree with a lot of what you said about season ten to thirteen. The only two freelancers we cared about were Wash and Carolina? Hello? Tex, York, Maine, hell even South? I really don't think the show "degrades" after the introduction of the freelancer arc. I think it makes it way better and more fun to rewatch. I always look forward to it when I restart

[@anewmonster18]

Honstly feel everything you've said in ya video, use to look forward to be online waiting for that next episode and then now I dont even have notifications on anymore for them, its a real shame seeing what happened to the RT family.

[@AeroWraith901]

I was into the shift of focus with project freelancer and the chorus arc.....but yeah I dropped it after watching the continuation of that whole thing

[@3ftninja132]

Red Vs Blue, like RWBY, was bastardised into something Rooster Teeth is comfortable with.

[@jstitus916]

Wash and Carolinas development in terms of their relationship was the best part of the series post chorus imo. Zero had to poop all over it. The thing that held zero back the most imo was the fact that it was connected to rvb. Had they made it its own series unrelated to rvb I think it would have been received better than it was.