The Definition Of Woke

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[@TCNDRGA]

"Are y'all with the cult?" "We're not a cult. We're an organization that promotes love an-" "Yep, this is it."

[@carterghill]

King of the Hill :)

[@OneWithLogic]

My favorite KotH quote

[@markzuckergecko621]

Trying to be more like Hank is a pretty solid strategy in life.

[@Return_of_Godzillas_Revenge]

Based Hank. Really, though, it is weird and kinda creepy how often leftists will use words like "love" and "power of love" like they're fucking Care Bears

[@dizzydoom4230]

@@markzuckergecko621 Funnily enough, Hank is more actual woke than a lot of pretenders who claim to be, if my memory serves right. At least he tries to be a decent person most times.

[@dawsonpierce263]

So in short: "Mankind knew they could not change society, so instead of reflecting on themselves they blamed the beasts"

[@kindlingking]

No, a small part of it split off and blamed the rest for all evil in the world, while deeming themselves as inherently good and virtuous, regardless of how many atrocities they commit. Beasts need to step up their game if they don't want to be forever behind in this contest.

[@markzuckergecko621]

I think one of the most fundamental differences between the thought process of the left and right, is the right thinks you should change to better yourself within the world you live in, and the left thinks the world should change to better benefit you

[@CheeseOfMasters]

Cue the metal music.

[@svagglaorde4387]

when they stopped blaming the beasts, they blame their gods next.....or climate change.

[@20thcentury_toy]

HEAVEN... OR... HELL

[@glad16252]

Sometimes I feel as though wokeness is a lot like obscene. You can't define it, but you know it when you see it

[@somethingsomething8511]

No it's very easy to define, people just don't know their history. It's Marxism in the modern day.

[@WhatTheCinnamonToastFck]

A woke person is an activist gone ridiculous, blinded by ideology and faulting under their own "good intentions". It's a form of mocking those who claim to have clarity of a social and cultural issue while clearly contributing to the division and championing themselves at the same time.

[@snowy-g9p]

the issue is that obscene and woke in both the cases you describe are just personal definitions then "I cannot define woke but I know whats woke when I see it" but this does not really fix anything. If I go by standard right wingers anything from trans people trying to get healthcare is woke to paper towel signs are woke.

[@GreyWolfLeaderTW]

If you know it when you see it, by definition you can define it by what you have seen, and you can expand it by communicating with other people to build the knowledge base of what is obscene based on the shared experience. Everyone's in agreement for example that words that are vulgar, often due to their short, sharp, piercing and aggressive sound, like d*****, s*****, and f***** are obscene.

[@NitroNinja324]

​@satanicglobalistilluminati8100 Idk why everyone is struggling with this. "Woke" by its most generous definition is a state of awareness of and tactful response to modern social issues. What it actually means is a descriptor for anything supportive of progressive left-wing identity politics.

[@ShadyDoorags]

Being ready to define your term and give examples is supposed to be the norm in arguing. It's a shame that there are so many arguments in media that are stopped by the basic question "what do you mean by _____?"

[@WhyYouMadBoi]

Yeah sadly, also keep it up Shady love ya vids.

[@evan12697]

Le epic crossover episode when

[@Captain_FIipper]

Bro what the hell. I keep casually finding KZbinrs I like in the SFO comments. First GuruLarry and now you. I love ur KotH vids

[@aceknightgaming1542]

Unreal crossover

[@minespatch]

The interview went downhill as soon as she choked when asked.

[@slashbash1347]

Woke just means being compassionate, like how we compassionately get people fired from their jobs for making off-color jokes!

[@eliaspanayi3465]

You can't say off colour, that's racist I'm calling your boss rn

[@CoryTheRaven]

"Woke just means being empathetic and compassionate, you stupid white male racist Nazi!"

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

@@eliaspanayi3465Jokes of Colour

[@mustang607]

And being inclusive, by inclusively excluding individuals.

[@theguy3501]

@@mustang607 Like explicitely white conservative christians...so loving and accepting...This is marxism at play. This IS the revolution. These people complain all fucking day long about white colonizer this white colonizer that, while THEY do every single step towards colonization. These people are now KILLING people who disagree with them. Is there any reason for these people not to fucking be in a mental institute being fed drugs all day long? Man would love to see a Nazi be treated as such. Doing the same fucking thing they did to jews. Oh and get this, these whackos also hate jewish people, and call THEM fucking nazis...the fucking projection is off the bloody charts I tell you! If there's any evident these people are JUST like nazis just look at their actions. They're not that different from them in the slightest. Except the gassing part. And look at well known white supremacy groups...the KKK...Look at what THEY did and look at what BLM has done. Not that different either, not to mention these fucks are raising black people to think they're better than white people. THEY ARE CREATING THE VERY PEOPLE THEY HATE. Creating BLACK supremacists.

[@slashbash1347]

Hanging out with a Russian woman who frequently asked me what certain words mean, I realized that even if I know what a word means, I can't always put its definition into words. "Define woke" is just a way to make you look like an idiot when you fumble your words. Reminds me of Onision's argument strategy of constantly asking for definitions. "Oh, I'm an idiot? What's the definition of 'idiot?'"

[@Fuzzycat16]

Didn't she define it in her book? she can't even quote what she wrote?

[@smtmonke]

Yeah but the difference is woke is a hard to pin down word because it was designed to be that way, where as idiot has a hard definition that everyone has a consensus on. You can't define woke because it isn't just a singular definition, it's an idea with multiple different contexts and even intereptations. All of this is typical communist subversion, anyone who knows the playbook knows what this is.

[@Kuricapitalist]

To be fair, the majority of debates are over the definition of words and ideals.

[@eduardomartins701]

do you think the same argument can be used when someone ask "what is a woman?" or this 2 cases are different and why ?

[@anonony9081]

@@Fuzzycat16 Yeah I would expect her to have a better answer but if it took an entire chapter to define maybe it's not so easy and she doesn't have a short way of explaining what she thinks it is. Still a pretty bad fail though

[@tylercoon1791]

To quote Scott The Woz: ‘it’s like a cloud, I can’t describe it, but I know it when I see it’

[@Lisa_Minci96]

god damn cloud people

[@potatortheomnipotentspud]

​@@Lisa_Minci96 That's racist -999999999999 social credit

[@Lisa_Minci96]

@@potatortheomnipotentspud 😩😭🤧

[@SaberInferno]

It's okay to be late, except when it's your period

[@LiTTLeDizZyUriNe]

And that’s on period

[@markzuckergecko621]

Excuses are like assholes - it's ok to use them about once a month.

[@LeoxandarMagnus]

That McDonalds example you bring up at the end hits hard. As a kid, I really shouldn’t have been eating there since the food is awful, but I remember always being excited just to walk in because you had the warm colors, the Americana atmosphere, and- most importantly- the play place and its eponymous ball pit. I watched each of those features be stripped away as I grew up. McDonald’s just looks cold now. A lot of companies and brands feel cold now. Maybe that’s my definition. To become woke is to chill your heart.

[@kyriss12]

I remember before the play place and ball pit when they had an actual playground with monkey bars, metal slides, a tower saucer, and swings all shaped like McDonald’s characters. And of course the Ronald McDonald caboose where all the cool kids had their birthday parties. Crist it’s not just McDonald’s either. You look at any franchise 20 years ago and they had a a lot more welcoming atmosphere with comfortable seats. Now it’s all post modern blandness with hard plywood benches that are angled so your ass slides off it if you don’t tuck your legs in front of you.

[@knight_lautrec_of_carim]

do Americans really have nostalgia for mega corp goyslop?

[@Stormrains372]

Oh lord, I've felt this. I'll also add, some McDonald's locations around my area had unique theming to their play places, making it all the more enticing to visit specific franchises of the same restaurant. One of the closest I knew of had a jungle-ish theme with its main attraction being this plastic tree you could climb up the inside of, a crane you could pull on to lift the bulldozer, and of course, a slide. Did I also mention it had an arcade below the tree where you could play video games? Those things barely worked and crashed a lot but by god I loved those as a kid. A different location had a different themed play place, so if you weren't feeling the tree one there was another further away that might be up your alley in terms of play. Nowadays, with everything looking the same...what's even the point of driving further away to a different Franchise of McDonald's? They all are pretty much the same, even down to their play places. I pretty much don't eat there anymore in part because of this

[@Jayare175]

@@knight_lautrec_of_carim Yes. Because at some point in time it wasn't food derived from soy and full of microplastics.

[@knight_lautrec_of_carim]

@@Jayare175 what point would that be? early 90s Mc Donalds's already was feeding you garbage. Get a fucking grip and stop being emotional for multi million dollar fast food chains. Then again, what else is American culture but blind consoomerism?

[@justinambru8529]

The best way to identify wokeness is to see, if it comes from a intersectional lense.

[@Eichro]

define "intersectional" 🤣

[@freedomandguns3231]

​@@Eichro I fully expected this to be someone nitpicking the word "lens." Why? Thats what I end up getting when making a similar statement.

[@justinambru8529]

Intersectionaly is a set of analytical frameworks to define racial, class, gender, sexual and other factors based on discrimination.

[@Whitechapelfiend]

I was coming in to say the same. The term is misused, especially as a brag or an insult. Its about a personal journey so trying to frame it as either a personal flaw or virtue is disregarding its meaning and purpose.

[@michaelgrunden5011]

​@@justinambru8529 Intersectionality is the method of changing communist class struggle to a system of identity struggle. Angela Davis' redefined communism for the USA as an identity struggle.

[@Max-ep5ir]

Wokism is just the shorthand umbrella term meant to encapsulate what you describe. Basically, it's a set of ideas and attitudes that tend to travel together and seldom like to be categorized as anything other than the "correct view".

[@sarales9374]

You get called woke (as an insult) if you dare to say that any minority group faces injustice because of their identity and/or biological characteristics. The reason conservatives "fail" to define the term is because the definition of the term is "the part you don't say out loud"

[@kaizokujimbei143]

Woke is the rejection of reality and the subsequent imposition of solipsism as the divine entity of worship.

[@sarales9374]

@@kaizokujimbei143 And now we're back to a non-definition

[@kaizokujimbei143]

​@@sarales9374 Why is it so important to have a definition of a made up word when the crimes perpetrated by the Left are real? What does it matter what word you use to call their unhinged version of Socialism? It is still EVIL. I sure hope you don't expect me to define EVIL for you as well. How about we stop watching from the sidelines with fascination in our eyes as if we are looking at exotic animals and instead jump in and do something to stop those demons from mutilating, grooming and/or murdering our kids. There will be plenty of time for academic analysis later. Right now we need to act and start incarcerating Leftists.

[@anonony9081]

Woke is hard to define because what "woke" people believe constantly changes and is not based on any principle beyond exerting control. Woke people say and do what they need to in any given moment to feel they have "won". An example is saying "my body my choice" about abortion but then saying you have no right to refuse a vaccination. It is an ideology based on exerting control over those you disagree with at all times and it doesn't matter if that means you go against something you believed in fully one day ago.

[@somethingsomething8511]

Which is just Marxism

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

I agree, that’s important to point out because leftists/woke/marxists lack principles other than power control. It’s why they don’t object to the government having more power because it’s power they think they’ll use responsible. Opposed to the principled argument which is that power that can be abused must either have limitations or removed altogether.

[@rey_nemaattori]

What they exactly believe changes, but the underlying mechanisms and 'critical' theories are all the same from feminists to BLM to the trans movement...

[@Xplora213]

Three replies all hidden. This one hit home for the censors…

[@magicfeliuri2681]

Agree

[@pandatree66]

I use woke in it's negative slang term "basically a zealot" because it perfectly states their die hard behavior for their cause. They could have done it for the hard core right learners but instead they chose "Chud" which just sounds like big chungus, which no one hates

[@carninuz1]

Based and chungus-pilled

[@potatortheomnipotentspud]

The real funny thing is that a chud is a subterranean cannibal, so when they call you a chud, they are projecting as bugmen live in their parents basements and eat each other for breakfast like the Donner party.

[@DiceOL]

BIG BIG CHUNGUS BIG CHUNGUS BIG CHUNGUS

[@carninuz1]

@@DiceOL absolutely based

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

"Secular Zealotry" is pretty decent view of it.

[@WelcometoTheFoxhole]

The shortest and most poignant definition of "woke" I've heard comes from James Lindsay, who defines "woke" as "Maoism with American characteristics." Which he derived from Mao himself, who stated that Maoism is akin to "Marxism-Leninism with Chinese characteristics."

[@sarales9374]

It's a derogatory term used against minority groups when they dare to even consider the possibility that they're experiencing injustice due to their biological characteristics and/or identity

[@sarales9374]

Maoism is fairly militant and has the class struggle element at the forefront, his definition is godawful and entirely wrong

[@zombiegamer123]

Great! Now all I need is a definition of Marxism-Leninism

[@magicbuns4868]

Karl Marx "Communism can be defined simply:- the abolition of all private property" James Lindsay "Woke is Marxist because all these private companies like Disney, Google, and apple are conspiring to control the world!" No... Lindsay is not the man you want defining woke... Jordan Peterson got his ass handed to him by Slavoj Zizek for using the shitty term cultural Marxism (doesn't exist)... Just an own goal. Define woke by it's doctrine. It ignores social class,has no issue with "private companies" as long as they work for their woke agenda, have a racial hierarchy, gender one too, believe you can shape reality and there is no objectivity, and are against capitalist. Marx defines his ideology perfect and it isn't wokeism.

[@20thcentury_toy]

@@zombiegamer123 is just collectivism with European characteristics

[@juanrodriguez9971]

So this is where the "conservatives can't define woke" comes from, I have seen a couple of posts about this on Facebook wondering why suddenly leftys are making that question, the funny thing is that those couple of posts I saw had people actually defining it with convincing definitions and saying "Now let's flip the question, can you define woman?" As you can expect, nobody did actually answer the question, and instead opted to make fun of the definition because "Where is your source? You can't use your own words to make a definition, you must have a source!"

[@whm_w8833]

Respond with gramschi and my lived examples

[@juanrodriguez9971]

@@whm_w8833 can you pass me the gramsci quote please?

[@whm_w8833]

@@juanrodriguez9971 ah a quote? Just refer to his name if you debating online or send link to wiki “cultural Marxist analysis.” His name synonymous with CM that led to wokeness.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

It’s preferable if woke can’t be defined, because then their enemies will have a clear target to attack. It’s not that woke is hard to define, but leftists/marxists/whatever you want to call them won’t agree to your definition because to do so would make them vulnerable to further attacks. Being asked to define woke is a Kafka Trap because your answer will always be wrong to them, and then they can use that to discredit you. They can even go further by claiming that woke means being respectful and empathetic, which is obviously not true because then they’d be classical liberals, and they hate liberals. Of course, once woke falls out of favour, they’ll select a new term that serves the same purpose. This is because marxism and all ideologies stemming from it are subversive by their very nature, because no sane person would support people driven by resentment and an unquenchable lust for power.

[@digimonlover1632]

Here’s a definition of woman. A woman is an adult human female. In terms of biological sex, women typically have two X chromosomes, but it's important to note that gender identity is a separate concept, and individuals may identify as women regardless of their biological sex. Gender identity is a deeply held sense of being male, female, a blend of both, or neither, and it may not necessarily align with one's biological sex. Gender identity is a complex and diverse aspect of human identity.

[@marioschock4964]

If you ever struggle to define woke, just remember Anita Sarkesian's quote from a couple of years ago: "Everything is racist, everything is sexist, everything is homophobic and you have to point it all out." And then go from there.

[@MaxwellTornado]

That's exactly what came to my mind as well.

[@CyborgJesus]

I find the definition is somewhere between constantly viewing the world through an intersectional lens, and blind support for a cause for social acceptance. It gets really stupid when they gotta referencing pop culture villains to describe things they oppose.

[@RovanRS]

Well, sometimes it is hard to define lunacy, but we all can recognize a lunatic when we meet one.

[@BearPawSwipe]

I actually really like the definition SFO has. It is a perfect encapsulation of the current narrative around the term but let's be honest, this "what does woke mean" is just a response to "what is a woman".

[@rey_nemaattori]

Except that the right tends to be able to answer both question(certainly after this vid) while the wokies themselves remain search for an answer to both...

[@RaycrowX]

My definition of woke is: “A pejorative term for social justice.”

[@otaviolobo7989]

ironically, woke has replaced the term SJW (Social Justice Warrior) nowadays.

[@ImortalZeus13]

It’s not even that, really. Because some forms of social justice are valid and non-woke. Things like free healthcare are such an example, because normally such features benefit minorities the most. The way most people use “social justice” they’re using it as a pejorative term for brainless progressivism. So really, woke is a pejorative of a pejorative.

[@markzuckergecko621]

It's just one of many words used to describe the cult. Everyone knows what it is, they're always trying to blur the lines of definitions so it's harder for people to point directly at it.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

@@markzuckergecko621 The irony is that it was a word coined by the Left first, before it got flipped against them.

[@gamera5160]

I'd say it's the same thing as being "red pilled". You are awakened to the reality of the world... which isn't so much an awakening to truth as it is a blind acceptance of a vaguely defined set of leftist beliefs concerning race, gender, sexuality and power dynamics in the world.

[@ghillieguy52]

Woke is hard to define for the same reasons facism is hard to define. Both are power hungry and pragmatic so it is hard to identify the ever shifting standards and ideals.

[@Kydino]

Fash literally has a manifesto delineating what it means and it's goals.

[@Tzizenorec]

Yeah, "Fascism" _has_ a definition. It's just when someone in modern times is accused of being fascist, that usually isn't based on the definition... merely based on association with things that are themselves associated with fascism in some way.

[@BlueGamingRage]

@@Tzizenorec That's due to psychopaths like Vaush watering down the definition so it can be used against anyone

[@somethingsomething8511]

Neither are hard to define. Woke is just a modern term for Marxism and fascism is the belief that the state should control every aspect of your life.

[@somethingsomething8511]

@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 both definitions are correct. Replace class with race, gender, sexual preference, whatever. It's functionally the same thing. And that is absolutely what fascism is, it's its core idea. "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State." You can literally not have a fascist state without it being totalitarian and you can't have a totalitarian state without it being fascist, they're one in the same.

[@hope-cat4894]

Her definition wasn't even that bad. She just stumbled over her words a little. They just don't like that it's become the new "social justice warrior."

[@nestword5654]

Honestly, the left has been so successful at stigmatized the term "SJW" that people are too afraid of saying it nowadays.

[@masterphillips]

They're like vegans. They'll let you know they're woke within the first two minutes of meeting them, if there isn't already the usual visual indications.

[@Nugnugnug]

I do appreciate the biomimicry many wokeists display. Much like yellowjackets and dart frogs, they display vibrant colors to warn of their toxicity.

[@Voltricity435]

@@Nugnugnug ong

[@kaizokujimbei143]

And just like you do with vegans you make them lose their minds by being normal and upholding traditional values in front of their faces.

[@thenew4559]

Physiognomy is very underrated. It's nothing concrete, but people's inward beliefs and moral character tend to creep out and manifest themselves in their outward appearance.

[@chekhovsgun4554]

Man, I really try not to do that.

[@icefl4re597]

A Redditor once says "Woke is the application of Critical Theory by annoying people". That's my decision.

[@FinalLugiaGuardian]

Biggest problem with using the term "woke" is because everyone seems to have a different definition of what woke is. What is the truth to one person is woke nonsense to another.

[@maeton-gaming]

it actually has a technical, definite and specific meaning: having critical consciousness. Being woke means having critical consciousness and having the cult belief that society is fashioned specifically in a way to oppress certains while only uplifting somes.

[@ImortalZeus13]

This is the root cause of most culture war debates. If we all had agreed upon definitions for things like gender, sexuality, and ethnicity, there would be no culture war.

[@viljamtheninja]

@@ImortalZeus13 Completely wrong. The whole idea of the leftist side of the culture war is an attempt to nullify and invert or destroy definitions and erase borders between established concepts because their idea is that these definitions and established concepts, in their eyes, are creations of the imperialist, white supremacist West, and our cultural structures, and the structures of our systems of knowledge, are created to keep white men in charge while suppressing everyone else. They can't agree with us on definitions because their very end goal is to undermine all the foundations of our knowledge by invalidating even the most basic facts. They don't actually want determined definitions; the constant changing definitions is part of the process, it's part of the insidious nature of the culture war, because it gaslights people who want real definitions while making it impossible to properly argue against them because they themselves can't even agree on what is what.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

@@ImortalZeus13 How do you describe a group of people that go out of their way to ignore the reality of nature? How do you reason with a group of people that can't even define what a woman is?

[@Whitechapelfiend]

@@ImortalZeus13"If we all had agreed upon" sounds more like, " if we can impose my standard on others" . It's a regressive call to make people conform to a very limited view of humanity.

[@mysterymastermind175]

I've always defined woke as allegiance to the ideology of social justice.

[@rey_nemaattori]

Yeah but that requires you to explain social justice... Although SFO's definition requires you to explain socialism, it's far better known and kinda apparent in the explanation after the comma.

[@alainabrown3584]

Also what's wrong with being in allegiance to social justice

[@ambmamb8370]

@@alainabrown3584 it overshoots its target- and in its idealism it causes harm

[@AkiRa22084]

I don't rage when "they" are holding each other, I rage when they do it in front of children. "Performative" is the key part of woke.

[@chavaspada]

What's wrong with holding each other? Are you a jealous incel or something?

[@dizzydoom4230]

I don't know if I'd agree that two people holding each other is going to corrupt the children, unless it's done in a provocative or sexual manner, but I'd say that same of a straight couple. Just leave kids out of sex unless it's in the usual manner of "when a blank loves a blank" educational fashion.

[@AkiRa22084]

@@dizzydoom4230 The social contagion proves it will "corrupt" the children. We were leaving kids out of it anyway, until the woke came along.

[@AkiRa22084]

Sara's comment is shadowbanned, so I can't see the whole thing. Don't hold hands in public if you confuse children with that. You'll survive without holding hands. I'm sorry, I would love if it were different, but the fate of children is more important than the comfort of a tiny minority. Most performances are woke, because true altruism is done in secret. That's why Jesus said not to pray in public and that's why Djoković was angry when his humanitarian donations were leaked.

[@barretprivateer8768]

'WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE POOR CHILDREN'

[@Zetact_]

When the discourse was more fresh I boiled it down in as simple terms as "Identitarian socialism", deliberately using as few words as possible, because I pointed out that people can and HAVE taken entire doorstopper books to form the world view. It's like asking someone "What is a Christian?" You can boil it down rather succinctly as "someone who believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ" and then get extremely granular about specifics.

[@prot07ype87]

*"Woke" just means "political correctness gone mad" and "far-left".* That's it. That's "woke" means. It's that simple. Example; if a film is woke, it means it's PC and far-left.

[@riel0563]

Can't really forget the aggressive and coercive element of woke, which almost everyone leaves out on every single definition of saying the same thing with different words.

[@iulian943]

Aren't SJW and Woke the same thing ?

[@thecompareablezombie]

Yes they are, and are leftist in nature since the 60s. While the right has Religious right.

[@schou43]

Yes

[@skinnysnorlax1876]

Functionally. Sjw basically just being an enacter of wokeness. Sjw is to woke as evangelist is to dogma

[@amns8900]

When one brand name turns sour, they make a new one. It's all just Marxism.

[@fxxkuall45663]

The fact that I seen a feminist say that "being woke just means having empathy more marginalized groups", while then hating on men and calling them all rapists (im not strawmanning she basically said that) is the essence of what woke is. Excusing bad behavior towards "oppressor groups" (men, white people") ,and then letting black people for example do whatever they want to whites as a form of "revenge" is what wokeness is. Its like that one hasan video I found where he says that misandry (bigotry towards men) isnt real and doesnt matter anyways because 'it isnt systemic like misogyny', despite all of the blatant man hating and misandry I see being peddeled in social media, the msm, and universities.

[@andrewshaw1571]

Its what they originally said it was, being awake to the problems of the world. In doing so they make the amazing claim that they, after millennia of human existence, have the answer and yes its based in marxism. To borrow from a man that would undoubtedly carry water for the woke, for every complex problem theres a simple wrong solution. They have the problem misdiagnosed with absolute zeal, is it any wonder they dont have sufficient understanding of the composite virtues they claim to be using for the solution?

[@Voltricity435]

"misandry isn't systemic". LMAO man. given their own definition for things like "systemic racism" and "systemic misogyny", family court is all you need to show systemic misandry

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

@@Voltricity435eah but once you give them an example like that, they’ll backpedal and say it’s fair because it’s fighting past wrongs that neither party were involved in, and probably not even alive. The lies people tell themselves in order to justify their own evil.

[@buragi5441]

>misandry >not systemic Man I wish for Hasan to experience the family courts.

[@joewelch4933]

@@buragi5441 The courts in general. The difference in treatment you get from the courts if you have two x chromosomes vs one is stark and obvious.

[@laurendearnley9595]

She actually did stumble her way to a coherent definition, that's what baffles me about this going viral - "society needs to be remained and rebuilt to create hierarchies of oppression." It's not a GREAT definition, and Dev is right, she should have a better one at hand. But we all have brain farts, and it's far better than any alternative definition of "woman" I've seen put forward.

[@exhaustedrose]

Even if you’re late to the party, I always appreciate your takes. You give excellent overviews. My reading list grows with every video!

[@undrcovrmallard1463]

Dude, I almost cried when I saw the old McDonald's picture! I remember those massive pictures on the wall, that made waiting for food less boring when I was a kid. I just realized I haven't seen one many years, and I MISS them! How can I miss a silly wall painting so much?

[@CoryTheRaven]

I miss the chairs that looked like the little hamburgers with eyes.

[@FilterExel]

Sometimes you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone.

[@kyriss12]

Not just McDonald’s. All the franchises have gone from a homely welcoming atmosphere, to post modern blandness with hard seats uncomfortable seats.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

@@kyriss12and retarded paper straws

[@wolfetteplays8894]

I miss them too...

[@psyxypher3881]

"Woke is a slur." W

[@MrHonkler]

This is the end result of no longer believing in anything but yourself. Putting the inner beast to sleep will only awaken it in a worse mood and we have awoken the beast in a rage

[@CyberChud2077]

Great video Dev. These clowns think they can hide by acting like lawyers about definitions. It’s just one more bad faith argument, meant to confuse people rather than actually debate

[@FutureUnit]

“Wokeism is the ethics and processes of socialism, expanded beyond class struggle, to include race struggle, gender struggle, sexual struggle, and any other near-Infinite number of marginalized groups as defined by intersectionality.” - SFO

[@draketheduelist]

An interesting point about the red pill, if you actually watched _The Matrix,_ is that there's no contempt for those lost. Neo was out to free them from the machines, too. Not being redpilled just means you're not fit for the front lines. It's too much for you. It's too much for _most_ people. You're too attached to the system and would just be a liability... which was _also_ demonstrated in _The Matrix._ "Why oh why didn't I take the _blue_ pill?" Back when the Wachowskis had nuts (in every sense), The Matrix was essentially cyberpunk Buddhism. The red pill was an allegory for enlightenment. The unenlightened weren't to be fought unless _absolutely_ necessary. After all, you were like them once: a subject to the machines. Maybe someday, they'll find their own way out. They are the ones you are fighting for in the first place. The fact that the red pill took on new meaning in right-wing circles says a lot. It was _not_ an accident or misintetpretation, despite what the now nutless Wachowskis would have you believe.

[@javierdominguez8547]

Honestly I reallly like this take, it would be cool to see what Devs thinks about this.

[@Theevil6ify]

It's even simpler than how most people define it: woke is simply far left cultist thought. Some galaxy brains like to be dishonest and try to conflate that with "liberalism" (*cough* Little Joel) but anyone with the tiniest bit of knowledge on American social and political views knows that liberals and leftists are not the same, even if there is some overlap. If a lefty asks what woke means, you can just tell them it's leftism (Marxist, socialist, anarchist) and if they still don't understand (or pretend not to) then you can break it down further and elaborate on the leftist framework at play. Or you can take a page from their playbook and tell them it's not your job to educate them, whichever you feel like.

[@Sound557]

I’d recommend Ryan Chapman’s videos on critical theory and postmodernism

[@Doberman_6773]

Chapman has a number of videos related to this, all of which I have found to be informative.

[@N4chtigall]

I love how some leftoids are trying to turn some words they don't like into slurs. It's like they are trying to dismantle any valid criticism ("you can't be right if you are using a slur and offend me") by covering their ears and singing "lalalala I can't hear you".

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

Just like groomer. That insult actually hit the mark so it had to be banned.

[@Xplora213]

It’s not some. It’s many. Because they are as uncomfortable with criticism as you are uncomfortable with their ideas. They can’t justify their position so they claim victimhood because they are being slurred against. It’s POS 101.

[@laihela]

@@Willie_Pete_Was_Here What do you mean by "groomer"?

[@613harbinger316]

'What is woke' was asked once in my church group. My answer was the arrogant self-righteousness of today's left that had previously infected the right in the 80s and 90s. I should have added how it needed to coincide with political and social power so it can be forced down other people's throats, but I was in a rush to give my answer before the leftist in our group took over the conversation. (Having lived through that era of the arrogant right in the church, I can say that the arrogant left version seems to be worse because of the left's standard level of influence in media and culture. At least with the right's time they were resisted by media and culture. Now they're skipping hand-in-hand gleefully celebrating their own righteousness while using political and cultural power to silence or remove opposition (with "God's" approval).

[@rassilkrishnan3120]

you deserve it for not listening to the right then. the right WERE RIGHT about the important things.

[@Eichro]

That wiki article is why I tell people Wikipedia, despite biased, is still the least biased source on things, as a whole. I mean, it manages to write "right-wing" without preceding it with "far" or "extreme" or "radical".

[@yoshimasterleader]

A turtle in a skirt and stockings sounds great.

[@limabarreto911]

Yet, look at the c*ltural marxism page.

[@TheRealW.S.Foster]

Woke, at least regarding the film, TV & streaming industries, is forgoing good writing for message-pushing and checkbox-ticking. It also means abandoning the concept of entertaining your audience and using the medium as a way to lecture them (at best) or demean them (at worst) for not sharing or living the beliefs that the director & or writers have. I don't want to add anything else because I truly feel like this describes woke in the entertainment industry as a whole.

[@SpencerYT138]

You've done a great job putting together these highly researched deep dives into philosophy Dev! The moment I dug into reading up on Hegel and Gramsci, it really gave an insight behind the mindset that socialist or collectivist people have as well as their reasoning.

[@nautdead3197]

I think that McDonald's tree will now haunt my nightmares, thanks Dev!

[@vane909090]

You had me at Ash Sarkar, the Mia Khalifa stunt double. LOL.

[@FilterExel]

11:05 Absolutely brilliant observation. I've taken to calling it "padded room abuse". The idea that anything deemed even remotely "harmful" is removed from the public sphere to the extent that nobody's able to do anything meaningful or enjoyable - much like being forced to live in a padded room.

[@DeathMonkeys]

Yet they universally promote "Kink at Pride" and Sexualizing Children constantly. They don't care about what's "Harmful" they care that it was brought up in a system that they disagree with and therefore must go.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

Same applies to drugs being illegal too and anti-trans laws.

[@OliveOilFan]

Woke? I woke up in the new Bugatti ~ Rick Ross

[@slimelime324]

This isn't math. Woke is just a name for a set of problematic behaviors that have been observed in reality. Several behaviors are grouped together because they often coincide and have some similar patterns with each other, even though many of them aren't logically related and may even contradict each other. This may make it harder to give a precise definition of woke. But even if one fails to define woke, their criticisms of such problematic behaviors are still valid. Just like even if you fail to define frog, frogs still exist.

[@joemayo1589]

Woke is a promise of power in exchange for obedience.

[@carsandsports123]

Damn you actually made the McDonald's example hit home. Color me impressed

[@jvbutalid8316]

Wokism is about wearing social justice as a cosmetic and being unaware of uncaring about it

[@WraxTV]

The McDonald's example is pretty good: Wokism is the strengthing of comfort by sacrificing expression.

[@mustang607]

I expanded the definition: wokeism is the ethics and tactics of marxism, expanded well beyond class struggle, insanely integrated with the power is all their is axiom of postmodernism, to include an essentially infinite number of so called marginalized groups as enforced by the resulting mass psychosis of the groupthink, based on something called, "intersectionality."

[@somethingsomething8511]

It's just Marxism with more targets.

[@vasudean]

That picture of McDonalds makes me think of South Park's first Christmas Special where to keep from offending anyone in town, the school play had it's soul bleached out. God I feel old.

[@HistoricalFanatics]

Love this man’s content

[@Jeff-cn9up]

I just call it "leftist anti-liberalism" because that's what they aspire to and what they want to accomplish.

[@gunpowdertimothy5644]

Hey SFO, just recently started watching your videos and I gotta say, on most topics you're saying exactly what I'm thinking. I'd be interested in your take on programs like Universal Basic Income, Universal Housing, etc and similar social programs from an economic and/or societal point of view. I've heard people bring it up a lot but rarely do they actually explain how or rather who exactly they expect to pay for all this.

[@kaizokujimbei143]

Woke is the rejection of reality and the subsequent imposition of solipsism as the divine entity of worship.

[@OneWithLogic]

I love that any time someone who participates in the ideologies of extremism gets questioned on their extremism, they instantly see the cracks in their foundation and just lose their lunch and get offended. If you can't define it, maybe you shouldn't support it so blindly.

[@mawnkey]

Woke is critical consciousness/critical theory as defined by Marcuse of the Frankfurt school. That shit fits easily in a 15 second sound bite, but the full explanation of critical theory is a lot longer.

[@EverSinceMyExorcism]

"Mia Khalifa stunt double" 😂😂😂

[@alix6xgorg839]

Lefties: "We are accepting of everyone how ever they are." Also lefties when someone stutters or god forbid forgets: "HERESY!"

[@pichugirl6]

Originally it was suppose to be about self awareness of ones culture. But now people go beyond the basic of self aware culture to now erasing culture as a means to implant a more dangerous way of thinking and how to simply live your life. If we all go back to basic elementary/kindergarten grades of being taught the basic structure of how we all look different but are still human, the people who proudly call themselves "woke" today don't really believe in equality, forgiveness or common sense. They'd rather play this victim mentality thinking if your "this" then you deserve to take everything back and those who are "that" need to be punish because of their ancestors. Forgetting that not everyone acts like their ancestors. You could have German blood in you but that doesn't automatically make you have grand parents who were once Nazis.

[@rassilkrishnan3120]

forgiveness is overrated though. so is equality. Equality is not desired by smart people. supremacy is awesome. equality is a false god.

[@totallynotaspy2686]

NOBODY IS INVALIDATED, BUT NO ONE IS RIGHT

[@kizunadragon9]

the very first time i heard the word "Woke" used in this context was by a black man in regards to the oppression of black Americans. it had positive connotations, telling young black america to keep their eyes open. so... seems the term got co-opted.

[@somethingsomething8511]

No it didn't. The term has always described Marxist ideas. You just heard them back then and thought they were a good idea.

[@nova_supreme8390]

Even Childish Gambino sings "stay woke" in that "peanutbutter chocolate cake with koolaid" song. Apparently he is far right now.

[@antjeeismann4684]

Do more Videos like diz one, it was very informative!

[@alexpinkstone5639]

The "attempting to normalise" part of wokeness is certainly relatable to me. Several weeks back, I was commenting on a Quora post by a bloke called Mike Jones (you may have encountered him if you've been on Quora's political spaces) where he was trying to refute claims that Democrats were only pushing narratives as opposed to conveying consensual reality. I decided to add to the conversation by comparing two examples of each, how statements like "climate change is real" or "racism is wrong" would be "consensual reality, while "non-vegans are actively destroying the planet" or "America is a systemically racist country" would be examples of narratives. Mike responded saying while he agreed with my first example of "narrative", he believed my second example was still consensual reality, claiming the definition for "systemic racism" was as concrete as the definition for, say, "concrete". This didn't sit well with me, considering there are plenty of academics as well as laypeople who disagree on the precise meaning of the term, and that Wikipedia defines "institutional" and "systemic" racism as one and the same while Mike claimed they were defined differently. But rather than try and empathise with my confusion, he instead decided to assume I was acting in bad faith and claim that Google and Wikipedia should never be relied on for concrete definitions despite how many people use them for quick references. If the term really is as set in stone as he claims, why not just advocate for Wikipedia to change it so fewer people are misinformed? If "consensual reality" to these people just means "whatever a group of elite political scholars of a certain agenda define it to mean", that just goes to show how unempathetic and bad faith they themselves are, and I'm pretty sure if Mike Jones had been more of a climate activist, he'd have also tried to claim that the "non-vegans are destroying the planet" narrative was actually "consensual reality" as well.

[@algardaus]

Man I feel lonely being a sane millennial. I know this sounds arrogant but man do I feel alone.

[@thecompareablezombie]

I understand how you feel, the feel of being annoying and the need to find people who you can relate to. I'd say there are other people who have similar belief to what you believe. Many people have a good chance to not know what is going on, interact with other people and find common ground. This applies to anyone myself included.

[@nnickplays9713]

I feel alone too

[@CallanElliott]

I think the Lotus Eaters have hit it on the head: woke is viewing the world through a critical theoretical lens. I can't remember what the exact phrasing Carl used is, but it's something to that general effect.

[@ttthttpd]

I see it as two definitions, a narrow meaning and as a symbolic term for a wider idea like how "crown" can also mean "the government". The narrow meaning: Having a racial/gender/etc. consciousness. This presupposes many positions. For example "Consciousness" means socialist style consciousness raising, which presupposes opressor/opressed dynamics. Which in turn presupposes this is definitionally bad. So the wider definition of "modern culturally marxist movements" naturally flows, as only they care about being woke as they understand the term.

[@Mr0Ki3]

i think you often have well thought out opinions and i enjoy your content. i often feel more informed after watching. keep doing what you do.

[@13igworm]

Wokeness is like Insight for Bloodborne. You can only see demons all around you with sufficient knowledge.

[@quemepartaunrayoiyo]

"knowledge" being believing everything you read on Twitter. Imho that sounds and looks more like propaganda.

[@13igworm]

@@quemepartaunrayoiyo I was more referencing that you see racism in everything. Like once you realize the guy who invented movie film, probably said the nword before, now the production of movies is inherently racist. Look I just wanted to talk about Bloodborne.

[@ambmamb8370]

@@13igworm it also causes people to be more susceptible to insanity and aneurisms? checks out

[@novemberbathory7290]

I hate how not having an answer on the spot/stumbling on your words is enough for people to think they got a W. As a socially awkward person who often can't articulate my thoughts esp on demand it's such an insidious tactic used by people with no actual substance to attempt to look superior You can tell the girl in the interview came up with a banger response within 24 hours of that clip

[@IAmJeroenKlomp]

Mandel wrote a piece in the days after, talking about a panic attack. Came across as quite genuine. Worth to check out.

[@petergivenbless900]

The definition of "woke", like most useful words, changes depending on its context and how it is used. The performative version on "woke" is evangelical; it says, "you know that thing you innocently enjoy? Here's how it is connected to something bad and how you, by association, are bad for ignorantly liking it." It is self-esteem played as a zero-sum game.

[@SJ-co6nk]

The fact that wokeness is so incredibly culturally conservative is something I think many of us notice. A lot of people might disagree because it paints itself as open, but when you're walking on eggshells every day because someone might freesociate some offense, you're only going to do what's already popular and acceptable. That's why in the woke era of the past few years virtually nothing new has been created. Virtually everything has been to take a creation of the past and make it more orthodox. Another important thing is the difference between noticing and being aware of bigotry and disagreeing with it and wokeness also lies in the hatred and bigotry inherent in the thing. I only see calls for violence based on hate from one group, and it's the woke.

[@EnderOfLight]

actually the greatest comment known to man on the topic of the word "woke". Don't know if I can describe why I am overblowing this simple comment as something "great", but you said something in here that sparked a "eureka" moment in me, even though everything that was said here has been pretty well known by now, even to me. So while you don't know or need to care, I'm just gonna say "thanks for commenting that" anyways.

[@ohwnosrepeht]

You're weirdly half-right, it's not "culturally conservative" at all, but your descriptor of "orthodox" is much more accurate, because "popular and acceptable" can be astroturfed and forced, anything goes as long as it fits within the critical consciousness of attacking the oppressive majority and uplifting the oppressed minority. For example, recent trends of transing children and taking children to drag strip shows isn't "culturally conservative", but yes, it is immediately presented as part of an emergent orthodoxy that must never be questioned nor criticised because it's ideologically consistent within the broader Woke umbrella of "all gender rules and norms are oppressive". This is the cognitive dissonance that I think you're trying to describe, because how can such activities that are so new and fresh be so quickly adopted as Truth, and no criticism allowed for such? "Virtually everything has been to take a creation of the past and make it more orthodox." is also because of the subversion and institutional capture that Gramscian socialism advocates for, not because it's "culturally conservative".

[@SJ-co6nk]

@@ohwnosrepeht It seems to me that I'm saying the sky is blue and you're saying "actually there's rayleigh scattering that tends to affect blue light more than other wavelengths so the sky gets a blue haze due to the blue light being scattered" We can both be right. There's a cultural stagnation and conservatism and a drive towards one orthdoxy, and that's because these people care more about taking over what already exists and subverting it instead of creating anything new and interesting. The sky is blue, and the mechanism by which that happens is rayleigh scattering.

[@mrosskne]

I think they actually have a point. We should remove easy shorthand words like "woke" from our language. We should strive to be precise and unambiguous in communication. We should hold ourselves to the highest possible standards.

[@conserva-chan2735]

I would kill for a vid on ricecels and r/AZNidentity. Such a fun and sad rabbit hole.

[@chilbiyito]

What's that

[@ImCurrentlyNaked]

AZNidentity - thought you were talking about some group of Australians and New Zealanders trying to forge some new cultural identity that I hadn't heard of.

[@jean-sebastienmatte2358]

What the H is that?

[@conserva-chan2735]

@ImCurrentlyNaked lol that's called "cultural cringe" over there.

[@conserva-chan2735]

@@jean-sebastienmatte2358 the Asian diaspora jncels that obsess over WMAF/AMWF.

[@fxxkuall45663]

For example, feminist argue that women were sexually objectified in movies for centuries. The latest thor love and thunder movie had thor (chris hemsworth) stripped naked and had the camera pan over his bare ass. When people rightfully pointed out that if it were a actress in that position, there would be an outcry over "misogyny" and "objectification and male gaze".But feminists responded with "now you know how women feel" "female objectification has more cultural baggage and male sexualization isnt harmful in comparison" "women have been objectified for centuries" etc. Thats revenge against a oppressor group (men) for a percieved wrongdoing in the past (sexy or "bimbo") women in films. Thats one example of wokeness

[@somethingsomething8511]

Which is Marxism

[@Florkl]

"Wokeness is a hyper-awareness of identity politics." Someone being less-charitable would say "over-awareness."

[@TurtleChad1]

Woke is an extremely useful word. If you hear someone saybit seriously, you know they can't be your friend anymore.

[@maeton-gaming]

@@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation oh you naive, sweet mind of a child. Its not that I chose to leave the friends, you reprobate. They left me because their cult told them I Was a bigot :P

[@1685Violin]

"Woke" is no longer useful because it's become a buzzword to normies and centrists. The word is constantly thrown around on parts of movies and other media that aren't actually progressive.

[@sdbzfan1]

​@@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation sure but if they use the term for everything thats not the type of friendship i want whether you lran left or right i dont care let ne watch my dumb shows in peace

[@Alberich_Prince_of_Dwarves]

@@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation Those "friends" who identify with wokeness would happily and easily unfriend you, anyway. Politics SHOULDN'T cause you to lose friends, but that's not the world we live in.

[@rjlundholm89]

​@@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation wokies literally make it impossible to be friends with. I dont need people who are willing to throw u under the bus over minor disagreements. They always backstab u the moment u slightly step out of line.

[@SolveForX]

I would exchange “socialism” for Intersectionality. Socialism is really just Marxist economics. Intersectionality is also Marxism, but it covers the rest. I know you mention Intersectionality, but socialism sorta sits there with a thud.

[@andrewlesniak8018]

I wonder what your take on Tim's opinion that wokeness is inextricable from algorithmic manipulation is.

[@yewtewbstew547]

You hit on two key points here that I really wish more people were able to identify and communicate as well as you did. #1 That "woke" is fundamentally defined by intersectionality, i.e. the idea that society is made up of various interwoven identity groups with differing levels of privilege and discrimination. And often by extension the idea that it is our moral duty to prop up some of those identity groups whilst disadvantaging others (8:49, "redistributive goals ... power, wealth, land") in the name of equity. #2 That the "woke has lost all meaning" narrative is a subversive power play stemming from the far left's pursuit of normalizing their ideals. This makes it all the more frustrating to see people who clearly oppose this ideology parroting that line as if they're enlightened, when really they're just playing directly into the far left's hands. I would also argue that some of that narrative stems from adherents of intersectional theory just disliking the fact that people have a word they can use to easily identify and mock them, but I suppose that is ultimately the same thing. They can't normalize their ideals if said ideals are being openly mocked in the public square. So... destroy the words that people use to mock them, problem solved. They already achieved this with "SJW" in the past, which had more or less the same meaning. "Social Justice" is just the corrective branch of intersectionality, that's the part of the ideology that deals with actually seeking to create the equity through "redistributive goals." Realistically I think the word "woke" will fall into disuse in the near future though. I think it is too damaged to salvage at this point. But then people will just come up with a new word that means the same thing, and around we go again.

[@joekewl7539]

I find there's an easy two step process to figure out if someone is woke. Question 1: Do they call themselves leftist? Is no, not woke. If yes, see QuestIon 2. Question 2: Do they have a Twitter? If yes, they're woke for sure. If no, they're a classic liberal who doesn't know.

[@Voltricity435]

here's something easier. ask them how many genders there are and how to define woman.

[@CocoHutzpah]

That second picture of McDonald's looks like the last Chipotle I was in.

[@antonyarakkal7203]

Callum from Lotus Eaters has the best definition: Marxism: Social Justice by redistribution of land, power, and wealth along class lines. National Socialism: Social Justice by the redistribution of land, power, wealth along racial lines. Wokism: Social Justice by the redistribution of land, power, and wealth along class, race, and gender.

[@superlucci]

Last

[@justinambru8529]

Finally some last representation.

[@ZogDaMegnivizint]

I don't find terms like 'woke' useful because they're labels affixed to people. I've met very few people who could pass the purity test for any tribe if they were being honest. If I want to discuss racial income inequality for example, starting by labelling my debate opponent 'woke,' or even an 'opponent' doesn't move the discussion forward. I'd much rather just ask what we're basing this assertion of engineered racial income inequality on, and scrutinize that source for accuracy and relevance. If the person I'm talking to doesn't want to do that, and instead just wants to fly off the handle and make wild accusations at me personally, I still don't need a label for them. The word 'immature' works just fine and actually describes what's happening without having to stigmatize their particular beliefs. It's still possible there's someone, somewhere out there, who has the same beliefs about engineered racial income inequality, who wants to have that conversation, and can get through it with me. ...Tinder just isn't set up to help me find them.

[@doomdimensiondweller5627]

I think a good video to make. Would be the left and interracial dating. The left is kind of hypocritical about it. The majority of leftist unconditionally support White women and men of color relationships meanwhile the majority of leftist unilaterally condemn relationships between White men and Women of color.

[@Demolitiondude]

I remember Hawkeye mentioning something about taking lessons from the losers. Instead of placing ammo dumps near mash units it's we should do this incredibly stupid idea because it's ok when we do it.

[@HaloJaxed]

"Define woke" "Well, you ever hear of the book, White Man's Burden?"

[@pkshowsupnoobsallday]

Dude you're 100% correct. I absolutely hate wokeness and I'm glad people r finally waking up to it.

[@griifster99]

I’ve been doing Uber eats deliveries to keep myself afloat while finding a new job and the McDonald’s comparison is spot on These days it’s hard to even get ahold of an employee to rattle off my order number because there’s no one at the register to take orders because of the self-order kiosks. It’s as impersonal as possible, by design. What really unsettles me is that McDonald’s is the only restaurant that strictly necessitates you do not use the customer’s name when ordering, just the last three digits of their order number. Each McDonald’s is just a creepy little automated goyslop factory now, only a short matter of time before the employees are redundant

[@matsanw]

The problem with the term "woke" is that it started being used mostly as a simple, perjorative term, and quite a broad one, since it encompasses different groups into one. Many people didn't even think that far into it, as it's not some serious, academic concept. When the left noticed that, they started using the "define woke" as a gotcha trick, and that author kinda fell for it. She did define it, but got nervous because she couldn't make a short answer on the spot. I for one almost always used it as a crude, exagerated and insincere militancy of progressive politics. James Lindsay's definition sounds much more serious and academic, but still, the term itself is not that serious to begin with, but i guess we should at least have a good, short explanation for it, unless you want to fall for their new dirty trick.