The Enneagram: The Discernment of Spirits (Types 5, 6, 7, 8, 9)

Spoken and Written by Richard Rohr. All credit, respect, and my thanks goes to him and his team
Disclaimer: I didn't make this nor do I inherently agree with everything spoken. (Additional Disclaimer in comment section)
This series is made years ago back when DVD's were a thing and so I've spent weeks trying to hunt down the video files until I found them on Vimeo

[@cherryboywriter6299]

Disclaimer #2: I am not a Christian so don't take me upload this as some sort of endorsement of Christianity or any religion. The Enneagram is one of those useful analysis tools that exists and was locked away in a vault stolen from mankind in the same vein as the Vatican "can't find" all of Epicurus' writings. It's a valuable tool that allows for a good MATERIAL ANALYSIS and spiritual analysis of the human race and how it operates on a personality level. I encourage you to watch this series start to finish and reflect. I also encourage you to not take the Christian elements too seriously and employ rationality to it. Ultimately though I don't care what you do with this information. No you do not have the right to comment. I will delete if it suits me. No I don't give a damn who "found" or "discovered" the Enneagram first. I'm stripping it of religious connotations to make it more efficient. If you have any more significant questions on the Enneagram on a material, personal, or literature level my a friends and I are happy to start a conversation.

[@RandomPerson28337]

so i shouldnt take christianity seriously but should take the ennagram seriously 🤣 your a joke

[@mysticmoone7659]

Thank you so much for posting this, I just found this video series, though I accidentally started with part two and plan on going back to part one once I'm done with part three. I've been studying the enneagram for a while but this is helping me to understand it a lot better. I would love to discuss this with you, or with anyone else.

[@marietorri]

CherryBoyWriter awesome, Thank You!☺️

[@lizafield9002]

@@marietorri i agree w/ Marie. You were soooo great to take the time to find & convert & post these. It helps humankind & therefore the biosphere in our hands. (So i hope! I'm not a 7, so optimism is not normal for me?)

[@marvinnour2411]

Thank man!!!!! I’ve been looking enneagram stuff up on KZbin for 2 weeks now and there was only Christian bullshit, they don’t like it somehow and I still don’t understand why, does it go against their believes?

[@emmaociee]

For any future viewers, here are time stamps. 1:13 - Type 5 20:25 - Type 6 46:36 - Type 7 1:05:44 - Type 8 EDIT: Originally I forgot the 9 🤣 how appropriate 1:22:24

[@johnpaulpagaduan1511]

EmmaBrightly thank you very much

[@lemostjoyousrenegade]

EmmaBrightly 😘✨🙏🏽✨

[@DarkEssEncEXx]

thank you you absolute lad

[@Habitmaker]

thank you!

[@asmdnc]

Typing the duration for type 9 is also too much... :) Thank you!..

[@sunshinedf207]

Well, Richard Rohr and I just spent all day together. I feel like I just attended a conference... or an enneagram summer camp. I loved the way he dove into every number’s complexity 💗🙌🏻

[@paulwall3269]

I did the same thing today...

[@EMPtea-aye]

I did the same thing today..

[@gianni206]

What’d he say about 5? Anything stick out?

[@RosieN]

I’m also a 7 and my favourite past time is to listen to lectures. Typically on the topics of philosophy, psychology and spirituality - this is my fun 🤩

[@camipellegrini]

Same!!

[@NewlyAwakened]

There are spiritual 7's and guru hoppers

[@xholydiver]

Same here on both counts!

[@hanhhoc4462]

Excuse me, who is "Francis" the lecturer mentioned in the video?

[@xholydiver]

@@hanhhoc4462 St. Francis of Assisi. Richard Rohr is a friar of the Franciscan order, which is based on St. Francis' life and teachings.

[@TheSuperShepherd]

I’m not even a Christian, much less a Catholic believer. And yet I love this dude’s lectures. Give me more!!!

[@seacrest73]

I have never ever, without exaggeration, heard or read something that captured who I am at my essence as much as this. Sincerely, a 9. Thank you for uploading.

[@nnonotnow]

He's one of the best ennegram stand up comics going

[@gittekjaerulff9511]

Wow ! Richard Rohr is a blazing torch of wisdom.

[@juliejohnson3057]

Funny, I’m a 9 and my ex used to call me a floater. What’s so important about getting stuff done? Getting stuff done is overrated. Being, now that’s worthwhile.

[@freefunk5342]

Typical 9 answer. I love you guys, but.... come on. Just wake up from you're "Buddha attitude". Its not about doing things just to do things. Its about doing things because YOU LOVE TO DO THOSE THINGS. And not the love from the 9 perspective, like "love is everywhere, its not about doing things bla bla bla". I mean real love, the one that gives you a reason to actually DO things.

[@jfish032]

✌🏼💕

[@samikirk05]

@@freefunk5342 you're an expert in the field? This explains the condescending lack of courtesy ✌

[@freefunk5342]

@@samikirk05 its ok to be angry sometimes ! Sorry if my comment offended you, it was not my goal.

[@mortybad9601]

@@freefunk5342 well we’ll wake up when we want to not because some random dude likes to type in CaP LetTeRS while lecturing ppl on how to live their lives. And yes I’m passive aggressive sometimes when a simple F U just can cut it🙄

[@joyce7550]

Type 8 (healthy): I don't think I seek to fight but I want a conversation where the person I am speaking to can give me something to think about. It's a fun challenge when someone gives me a good point of view that I have not considered or even thought about. I definitely agree that I only show my softest side to those who I feel safe with. I control situations but it's such a wonderful surprise when someone challenges me... But challenge me nicely if I don't love you because I will eat you alive. I highly suspect that my mother is a SUPER 8. Just trailblazed. Did it all herself. Not warm but she understand what her children needed and that was her way.

[@joyce7550]

@Will Woodfall i love that "war simulation" haha! Made me laugh. Though i personally do not impose others to be like me. Since I consider many angles, I also understand that others have their own ways. Some more elegant than others. I always say, I am not someone who follows anyone but if I find someone worthy of submission, it will be a lifetime.

[@NewlyAwakened]

@@joyce7550 8w9

[@Relogeek]

Joyce I believe I’m an 8 too and your comment spoke to me. 🖤 Ash ☀️

[@blindeyeshater]

@@joyce7550 spot on with the conversation point! I too love when someone makes me think and dig deeper. It’s like getting an unexpected but much hoped for treat.

[@GR_BackingTracks]

I didn't know if I was a 4-wing-5 or a 5-wing-4, but now... I am a solid 5 who usually wings 4. The first 20 minutes of this were eye-opening for me.

[@paulwall3269]

Mind blown. Phenomenal analysis. Absolutely spot on.

[@dustinhellstern7728]

paul wall THAT iS Absolutely my experience, as well. Not even exaggerated 1 bit..

[@SerafEnd]

Mine too, spot on. I'm just disappointed that I'm a jerk.

[@jessiethrelkeld3628]

As I have done self work for the past 5 years as a 7 I have learned the greatest thing is my inner peace and slowing down my ideas to achieve goals- and be in the present moment. 7s can find inner acceptance of the dark side of self and others.Creating inner calm is possible. 7s always get a bad rap, maybe I’m bias, but I love inner work and the freedom that has come, and 7s you can do it- it isn’t too much, you can learn to sit with pain ❤️

[@JFox4587]

Yes but notice the “truth” you’ve chosen to follow and act on. Just be present! My guess is you did not do the work thru a stubborn catholic ideology who practices starving the flesh. Or worked on putting up boundaries when people insult you. 7s love to embrace the present because its what you’re already good at. Not that you’re wrong, you’ve just chosen to follow a truth that fits well with your “type”. There are a lot of forms of self work. As an 1, I suppose I had to point that out…sorry, I really like preaching/teaching people. It’s annoying to be on the receiving end lol

[@jessiethrelkeld3628]

@@JFox4587 haha actually 7s are less comfortable with the present, unlike 1s. 7s comfort level is futuristic thinking. And yes I grew up in a very legalistic Christian home. Sorry to burst your bubble of a stranger.

[@JFox4587]

@@jessiethrelkeld3628 interesting! I didn’t know that, kinda weird that 7s would be uncomfortable with the present since they are usually so good at being joyful (which happens by being in the present). Thanks for the response, I have a lot more to learn

[@KendrixTermina]

My 9 brother definitely has that Aura Of Chill that just makes you want to plopp down beside him on the couch. Interestingly enough that actually made him the one sibling that everyone listened to since he never complained unless it was important & didn't get caught up in petty squabbles. We knew he wouldnt scold us for no reason, & he spoke calm & disarmingly.

[@zoeevans6410]

My, now deceased, mentor was an eight, and, whenever he’d come to my house, he’d seek me out and instantly say, ‘Right, let’s have an argument!’. I miss him a lot!

[@aniccadance13]

The best time of my life was - and is - spent on silent meditation retreats in Buddhist monasteries. Thats my true happiness, true silence for days, weeks and months.. not sure if all 5s would feel the same, I do.

[@dustinhellstern7728]

aniccadance13 What sect of Buddhism do you practice. .? Sorry, Not to be nosey, just sincerely curious

[@azenkwed]

Taoism makes more sense to me as a Type 5.

[@opheliaelesse]

huh, sounds boring ;-)

[@enough_about_me]

Vipassana..silent retreat, is of what you speak. In my case only if I have books.

[@ThoughtProvokingVlogs]

Just wanted to give a heads up to everyone about typing yourself. In this video Richard says that if you don't know your type at the end you are either a 6 or a 9. That wasn't the case for me. At first I typed as a 6. Later realized only bits of that described me. Then with suggestions of others I tried 4. That didn't work because I was too bitter and cynical towards others, so then I tried 8. I am a lot like an 8 cynical, bitter, defensive, but alas, I am not an 8. I am just a really unhealthy 2 that looks like an 8 on the outside but I have the core fear of a 2. I just couldn't admit it until I was put into a situation that shone a light on my 2ness. I cried for a long time after I found out I was a 2. I am pretty convinced. So just keep in mind you may mistype a few times so don't quickly attach onto one type as it may be a bodyguard for your real core type. For 2s when they are unhealthy or stress they basically become 8s. Each type has a type that they mimic when they are healthy and unhealthy. Please keep that in mind

[@ThoughtProvokingVlogs]

It would seem I am a 6 afterall. Oops. Anyway, you have one main type and actually 2 other types making a tritype. There are debates on whether each type has a wing. I think they do and I have observed such. There is a theory that others when first meeting or talking with you will notice your second or third number before the first. There are rules to what numbers can go together. You can only have 2, 3, or 4. You can only have one of those. Then either 5,6,7. And lastly 8, 9, or 1. When healthy or unhealthy you act like both the integration and disintegration type. (Theory other mentioned, I have noticed this to be true though) There are instincts that change how the types act too. There are 3 and they are : Social, Sexual, and Self-preserving. You have two and you are blind in the other. 6s have two types within them phobic and counterphobic. Phobic is the type described in this lecture. Counterphobics act like 8s or 1s but are 6s. They get mad at authority figures and their support systems for "betraying" them. They often argue with authority figures and act tough. The standup comedian George Carlin was a counterphobic 6. Look into Dr. Tom LaHue here on KZbin for the things I described. Another resource: www.fitzel.ca/enneagram/index.html Book: Wisdom of the Enneagram There is an app called Personality Database where we vote on people's Enneagram and mbti type as well it is a social media to talk to others and discuss type. This stuff is extremely complex and it takes a long time to find your real type

[@josephkupper3173]

I have studied the Enneagram for over 30 years but it wasn't until watching this I think I may finally understand whats up with my 8 mother and the heavy "in your face" political discussion topics in every "inappropriate" situation possible. I've gotten it wrong all this time!

[@marim7784]

Sounds like me. I just can't help myself.

[@ninaleifert9452]

I just discovered my 8 wing through this

[@christinemichele2318]

Four here married to a five. “They flip from total silence to ok we got it.” So funny! I think I’m definitely a 4w5... but my hubby might be a 5w6 Lots to research and learn! 💖 thank you for uploading this!

[@oliviawoods5418]

I love this man, strongly intelligent with humour....

[@blousug]

Hello, I’m a 9w8 and I have trouble, like most 9s, staying present in my existence. Recently I got a job as an assistant teacher for toddlers and because they require so much of my presence, I have been able to connect to myself in ways that I have never thought I could. I have started to connect to my childhood trauma because I have allowed myself to connect to these children. It has also spiked my creativity, which I hadn’t exhibited in years. So if I had something to say to a fellow 9 is, try and find something that keeps you present and active in your life. This will help keep you connected to yourself and the people around you.

[@EmpyreanFalling]

That's lovely

[@KendrixTermina]

The thing about 7s wearing colorful clothes is very true. One day my mom (who is a 7) grabbed a plain black shirt from the very back of her closet because she hadn't had time to do the laundry. Her co-workers all got worried & asked her in someome died, since she normally always wears whimsical colorful patterns

[@raenforest22]

This was phenomenal. Thank you for posting. As a 7, I know to be healthy I really need to learn to say no to myself. Yet, I wouldn't characterize myself as loving orange and yellow, though I do like bright greens and blues and reds. I'm full of ideas, collect countless travel brochures, got excited about planning something and then when I attend the event, I can't be present because I'm all caught up in the plans for the next event. However, I wouldn't say I'm yippy skippy happy without emotional depth at all. Someone once described me as the Coffee shop in the amusement park. I want to travel to all the great places in the world, but I'd like to sit in that cafe in Paris and have a lengthy conversation that touches on deep things with someone without time limits. Perhaps that's my 8 wing balancing me out. I've learned so much from this seminar after following the enneagram closely for the last 2 years.

[@jfish032]

7's heart point is 5. So, when they are healthy they gain depth and become more focussed on less.

[@Moon_Flower_777]

I don't like orange & yellow too... I'm a 7. I love purple & reds

[@Haneefrjordan]

My youngest son is a 7 he loves orange. He is a healthy 7. I love his free spirit

[@romy310390]

Spot on. That's why I as a 7 am with a 4. Bringing me right back into the darkness I'm running away from. 😁 My psychologist said "Do you notice you're smiling the whole session?“

[@littlezork]

I'm an 8w9 that was sent here by a friend. I like to fight everyone. Because I "care."

[@angeldela7633]

How

[@phil7802]

i don't know about all the other fives, but i'm quite tactile. he was right on about a lot of stuff, though. i knew he was going to say that the most common response was "interesting" before he said it. Once he said that, i was like, "hmm, that true..interesting."

[@missouriplantmom1769]

That's usually my response interesting.

[@Pazaluz]

I laughed out loud when he mentioned that, cause that's indeed my usual response to many things 😆

[@LV-bk4it]

While I enjoyed learning about the other types, it always happens that Type 1 gets a half-hour lecture while Type 9 gets shoved into a 5-minute sound bite.

[@marcuswymer748]

So you’re an 8 huh😂

[@63frogsinahat84]

I'm a 4w5 and have 5 in my tritype which has saved me from being a 4 and losing my head when my heart takes over. I feel things deeply but my head takes over and I think rationally about what actions I do or don't need to take. The practical almost always takes over.

[@dustinhellstern7728]

63frogsinahat yooo!! Str8 up DiTT0 that. Thought nobody would offer such useful info!! But, SiNCE you're very much like a 5, then you must've sensed & Known somebody needed it, LoLz.. But for real there is, in fact, someone who's Specifically in NEED input like that: Useful & candid. Much appreciated.

[@paulwall3269]

It was prophetic. 9/11 unleashed the Six on America, those security seeking folks who today are Trump's core voting bloc. The ones always first to trade freedom and liberty for security and reassurance. Not trying to say all Trump Voters are Sixes or vise versa, but the type description sure as hell sounds like the average MAGA hat crowd. The wall, the Muslim ban, anxiety over the decline of the white majority.....all driving them to huddle together in a loyal, dutiful army of supposedly 'true patriots' beholden to their great 'protector'. The counterphobic subtype is blatantly displayed by the bluster, false bravado and other attempts to hide their deep insecurities.

[@christinemichele2318]

Me too! I can totally relate to your statement! Thank you for sharing.

[@Softening.into.His.Glory.]

wall nice try. Most conservative voters I know are 4s, 5s, 8s, 2s... in fact, I can only think of about 3 that are 6s.

[@amandah3619]

I’m a solid 7. But I do love to listen to speakers and I love self-help. Because it is fun to me.

[@Moon_Flower_777]

Same

[@fredtrainer1046]

Fascinating to come back to this tool 30 years latter from my original exposure, and now at a point where much integration has taken place and with the advantage of lived experience on my side - to have some sense in this 2nd 'sitting and being with the enneagram' - of my movement through time.

[@Hello-816]

I'm curious to hear what ideas and perceptions have changed over the year's from your personal experience pre and post integration?

[@fredtrainer1046]

@@Hello-816

[@fredtrainer1046]

The most significant idea has to do with the unified perception of just how all things evolve (including me); mostly consciousness in time emerging. This 'idea' compliments my intuitive, subjective knowing - always present I tend to place on the right side - that has a quality of a calling of sorts; maybe mostly pursued as a result of running into or towards challenges, and the need to reduce and make sense out of the chaos life presents - the world's and my own internal stuff. God 'gene' perhaps?

[@susannad4463]

I’m a 9wing1, and literally one of my biggest fears is that people think I’m uneducated and don’t take me seriously. But this analysis is so accurate, I feel almost attacked but liberated at the same time. I’m quite intrigued by 3s because I feel like proficiency is something I lack. And I work in a very high stress environment that needs more of that quality.

[@NewlyAwakened]

3's aren't all they are cracked up to be. They can be hypergamous, monkey branch, users, and fake-all to get ahead and for status. No one Ennegram type is better or worse. They are just different. You be you and rock the shit out of what God gave you! From an 8w9

[@MsHazelie]

No offense but that fear is more of a 3's fear than a 9's. When 9's are stressed they operate like a 9 instead. You said you have a high stress job. Have you considered that you may be a 3?

[@oooo1743]

Im a 9w1 and and i despised school because they didnt teach according to my mental wiring.My mindset is abstract and never had a interest in how things work or systematic approach.I defy practicality but mainly because i have low energy and am constantly exhausted.Im 945 and the 5 i think makes me feel stupid so i will compensate by absorbing and analyzing information for the outside world just so my friends wont find me stilupid.Im fascinated by withdrawn types

[@lisa.66]

I'm a 9 and I have the same fear. I felt kind of attacked too especially when he said that people ignore 9s. Lol. I get ignored all the time and it's also one of my worst fears that people don't think I matter, or that I'm not interesting or smart. When I get the feeling that I'm not being taken seriously it kind of lights a fire under my ass to actually put my skills/knowledge/talents to use. Because people are always going to think you're stupid and underestimate you if you never say or do anything lol. Its scary for us 9s, but must be done. But first I'm gonna lay here and watch more youtube videos lolll

[@kristihatcher7802]

I am a 9w8 so I can definitely see many of my own character flaws. I am passive-aggressive, unfocused, and it takes a lot to insert myself into social situations and actively participate. I am not someone who others look at as lazy in the physical sense, but I am definitely lazy in the sense that I am not that "Go-getter" type. If I get too much on the plate, I shut down. I strive to be better at that but it is an internal struggle daily. I fall to the 8 wing because I feel like I am more outgoing than most 9's. I enjoy social settings, and I also am the one who is much quicker to stand up for those I care about way more than I ever will be for myself. I will fight dirty for what and who I believe in. That is where my stubbornness comes in strong. I was one who took many tests and scored different numbers at different times, mainly I fell at a 4, 5 (intellect is a high priority for me also), and 7 and 2, so when I was taught how 9's can take or mimic any of the other numbers, I knew that is what I was. I see a bit of myself in all types, but I do at the core fall to the 9. Great lecture! Just in case anyone follows the Myers Briggs also, I fall in the INFP personality type. Thanks for posting for us to watch.

[@lynnrussell467]

INFP, here, also 9...

[@MsHazelie]

INFP and a 9 with a dominant 1 wing. I'm trying to strengthen my 8 wing which can help me enter 3 energy.

[@lostinthecosmos6095]

You could be the social subtype!

[@roxylovestopray]

I’m a Christian type 5 and I’d say that it’s pretty spot on. I’m part of the prayer team and Bible study I love research and my alone time and theories when I’m unhealthy I can rant about my secluded theories which doesn’t happen as much any more, thank goodness but I’ve realized my hearts desire is to be a counselor because of my love of observation and objection to difficult situations. And touching is not my thing lol which is strange because as a child I loved affection and my mother an absolute robot with emotions rejected me. I wonder if that also played a part? But I absolutely love to hug and kiss my grand babies, just love it!

[@anitadodd]

So true with a 2/5 relationship. I am a 2 married to a 5 for 25 years. We should definitely know this information before getting married.

[@vanessaalexxxis]

I'm a 9 and I love just being chill and am genuinely happy!! Best thing ever being a relaxed person. When I have to do something I do it perfectly and on time.

[@gamleskalle1]

1 wing talking

[@tonalnahual1]

I’m a Mexican psychologist, so I laugh out loud for a wile when he said, Mexican are 8 1/2 macho and mañana 🤣😅

[@jfish032]

😜 true for many of the Brazilians I know

[@deepsupport11]

Big thanks for uploading! These weren't on KZbin before

[@ashlyndvorak1833]

Absolutely amazing knowledge and delivery. All in all, we carry each nunber, with additional weights on 2 traits, mine being 9w4. Thanks again

[@KxNOxUTA]

Oh this was very helpful. Yes, definitely a 4w5. 😂 With all pros and cons. It's indeed tough to be very withdrawn and very emotionally dedicated. It's a tough mix but thankfully I'm also really well equipped for that "bridge". But it's a process to grow into being OK with that setting.

[@giovanap.6708]

The structure thing (for the 9) talks to me so much specially now in quarantine when I barely have any structure other than stuff my teachers send for us to do due a certain date, and it's up to me to decide what do to first, when to do it, etc. My sleeping routine's been a disaster. I really relate to what he said.

[@chenaandersonnd1541]

I am a 3 wing 4 married to a 9 wing 8... we have 10 children together (NO 2s among them) but all other numbers are covered ---by either one of us or the 10 kids.... this was profoundly beneficial particularly to my understanding of my 8 son who is 17 now and loves to challenge me intellectually at every turn--now I know he actually loves spending time with me! lol. I found this sooooo valuable! thanks for reposting the lectures!

[@terrence-eg1gs]

im a five so i incorporate what i refer to as the microphone game. i look at whoever im speaking to and see myself passing focus over to other as a way of including them in conversation

[@djgranville]

we 're not afraid of direct intimacy. we're afraid of being controlled and powerless if in a direct intimate relationship. we need defenseless people as spouses, they bring the healthy aspect of our 8' dom out

[@milohurley9443]

Queers

[@BeautifulGood713]

But he did say 8s don’t like being vulnerable.

[@franz5998]

huh? I do not agree at all, I want someone on eye-level as a spouse, someone who can and will fight back hard, every day.

[@blindeyeshater]

No. Defenseless spouse? Not if you’re a healthy 8.

[@Prince.M00NBEAM]

I'm for sure a 7, have been going through alot of personal development the last 2 years. It's been a journey but I am happy to see myself grow into a better person

[@truenemesisprime550]

I'm an INFP 9 wing 1. I've been a human being. I really want to be a human doing. I'm searching for the answer :(

[@iamgraci_]

an interesting play of words, makes me feel as an INFJ 5w4 that i have been a human doing and i am trying to be a human being

[@truenemesisprime550]

@@iamgraci_ But at least you get the things you want to get done, done. but I suppose whatever you naturally do you would hold the opposite to a higher regard. Human nature to want whats difficult to obtain.

[@melissaphillis7247]

Sweetie, I'm infj 9w1 here....try and grab some of the 3 and the 6 we have in us, to fully connect with ourselves, right here, right now authentically, not to who we think we are, or all that's not offensive to us. We need to see ALL of ourselves...even the bits we don't like, because it's us....and come out of our garden, and bring what we have learned in the garden, to help others feel the peace of that garden.

[@truenemesisprime550]

@@melissaphillis7247 You are reciting the message of a story I am writing lol. Thanks :)

[@iamgraci_]

@@truenemesisprime550 yea i hear that i think in my experience personally I spend a lot of time planning what I want to do. Maybe that is a more clear way of me phrasing that. I think I would interpret, human BEING as actually existing and doing things int he real world not just planning them. In that way i feel like a Human DOINg cause Im planning what i want to do but can never actually do it...kind of, I'm still trying to understand this but i appreiciate your phrasing either way.

[@andreastofa7464]

How brilliant is this! And how deeply explained by Richard! 👌🏻🙏🏻😊

[@MelissaJMJ]

Wow, insane. I am a five, husband is a two. Married for almost 30 years. We were 17. We had a lot to learn. We have been through a lot, but now we have found an even ground where we are friends now and then husband and wife. Thank you Father.

[@MelissaJMJ]

I wanted to add, I am also British and Scottish.

[@gamleskalle1]

I am a 9 and is relaxing on the sofa while listening to this.

[@freefunk5342]

There is an eneagram theory about the mental fixation of the 9: he's forgetting himself most of the time. He rather forget himself than feel the difficulty of leaving his sofa. In his way of perceiving the world, its really logic to behave like this. The 9, because he's forgetting himself, has a difficulty to live love. He thinks love is acceptation, but true love is more than that. So because he does not have a real access to experienced love, he does not want to leave the sofa. Sorry if im a bit assertive, but i want to be quick and effective (so of course there is are lack of information). My father and my best friend are 9, so I know its very difficult to live that way, even if the 9 does not realise how difficult it is to live in a 9 way.

[@unVerbose]

9. Lying in bed in pyjamas listening. It’s 3:30pm.

[@billgreen7519]

Key word: Relaxing 😎

[@EMPtea-aye]

Exceptionally clear thinking 🖖😐. There is a thrilling and addicting quality to these talks 😍

[@melissamarshall5880]

Being a 4w5 is the agony of knowing I’m talking your ear off about my philosophies of the world but I can’t stop 😂

[@anniem1111]

🤣🤣

[@racheladkins6060]

“It’s all out of Fear” that describes life and Faith much of the time.

[@renatamiron8095]

I am INTP 5, married. My husband loves the way I am. Quiet and living in my own world.

[@ogeo.8966]

What type is he?

[@ogeo.8966]

You don't have to answer if you don't want to. I think I'm a 5 female so I'm curious

[@renatamiron8095]

@@ogeo.8966 He is an extrovert type but I am not sure wich one. I asked him to take a test but he said he does not believe in such a thing,

[@ogeo.8966]

@@renatamiron8095 oh ok. Thanks ✨ I guess it's easier to get familiar with extroverts cause they do more of initiating contact and keeping the relationship going especially during times I'm keeping to myself more

[@ogeo.8966]

@@renatamiron8095 your profile pic is cute by the way 🖤

[@iseey4]

8s foreplay is arguing and fighting ;)

[@KendrixTermina]

It's highly amusing how all the other question sessions were just 1 or 2 ppl but after the 6 bit they all come out of the woodworks to ask a bajillion questions

[@bjmathis119]

I’m a 7, and I found myself getting bored with how long it took to describe everything. I kept fast forwarding. I wanted to keep googling more and more new things.

[@sassysally2995]

😂😂

[@Tommibalogun27]

I can really relate I’m a 7w8

[@freefunk5342]

Actually im a 7 and i wish the lesson could have more infos and details. Having so much fun to listen to that guy :)

[@jenina247]

7 life 😁

[@o_enamuel]

53:35 I love when Brazil is cited in any way. You can tell I'm a Brazilian

[@biancaklinger]

Thanks for this incredible lecture! It was fun to listen to 😁

[@samikirk05]

9s are good at being. Don't under-rate it ☺

[@freefunk5342]

Hahaha. I guess you're a 9, because you really made a typical 9 answer. What you call "being" is actually forgetting yourself in the unity of the world. But this is not being. This is a position between being and non being (this is why the 9 has a weird deal about death). Anyway, assume the conflict he just created inside you. Thats a real gift.

[@jamespaulpark8250]

@@freefunk5342 I would love to engage in some conflict with you, I think it would be fun to watch you lose. After that, I will ask you to leave so we can all get back to the 9 party over here. How's that for unity?

[@freefunk5342]

@@jamespaulpark8250 i guess my comment awoke conflict inside you, and 9 really hate that. Thats maybe why you express so much anger for such an important thing. I am sorry it make you feel like this, I hope you will understand that inner conflict is very important for 9 to get to know themselves.

[@jamespaulpark8250]

freefunk I am teasing you ☺️ However I feel bad for you because you are so quick to make assumptions about me and my intentions because of my type. I wish you peace and friendship with others. If you are looking for a counselor, I would be happy to help you

[@freefunk5342]

@@jamespaulpark8250 passive agressive 9 attitude. So classic. Have fun 😘

[@katieshockley4505]

As a 9 I'm feeling very attacked right now

[@familytherapycounselingres3771]

I agree, he talks about 9 like he is putting 9 down and laughing-- he is transfering his feelings for his siblings who are 9. He should be respectful and show positive of 9, i have heard not positive of 9, we are peacemaker. But I did not hear that :(

[@rnbaker11]

I agree. I feel like he only talks about 9s at their worst. Like they are inept. But I think when 9s are aware they can overcome their inclinations like any other type. As a 9 I understand a lot of what he says, but I think he underplays the 9s ability assert themselves when they want to and when they are healthy. I’m a 9w1 but I think 9w8s can especially assert themselves. And also as a 9 I deal with a lot of anger. It’s not that I refuse to have or feel emotions, but I refuse to put them on other people. It’s not “embarrassingly simple.” Again, I feel that he does not consider the wings enough. 9s have a lot of inner conflict.

[@bradnovosad]

He made some very wide swaths and assumptions on every one of the numbers and spoke from a negative slant or even a "base" (unhealthy?) level for each IMHO. I'm a 7 and was thinking the entire time, "does he even know a 7?" To him, it sounds like we led the charismatic renewal in the catholic church, we're all Brazilians and love orange and yellow...haha Have to remind myself - he's a 1...

[@sweetpeasandyarrowaranchdi8327]

I had to look in the comments, because I felt the same way lol. I'm pretty sure it's, because he's a 1. I'm married to a 1 and I don't think they understand us lol. I think the "procrastination" is because we take everyone else and thing into account BEFORE we speak or act. Personally I think I'm a perfectionist and don't want to start a project, until I have thought about every detail and aspect of it and made a detailed plan in my head. I like to make lists, so I don't forget any details. Do any other 9's do that?

[@juliedelkamiller8375]

At one point, maybe the first video, he does make a comment that he spends more time on the negative qualities of each number because those are the elements needing transformation. If we feel attacked or defensive, then it's a good clue that is our number. (I'm a 2 and a different presenter told any 2's in the room to go get some tissues-- we'd especially need them. I'm married to a 9 and when he realized that he had been practically sleepwalking through much of his life, he began owning so many things that he had previously suppressed. It's enlightening and yet propels us to deeper interior work.)

[@MBTIMemes]

any other 8s here? I'm 8w7, for some reason it's hard to find any other 8w7's, even online

[@Fundemons]

I’m also an8w7

[@marim7784]

I'm an 8w7. I belong to a FB group with 8s.

[@seymourbutts2530]

I'm an 8w7

[@GassTeamOfficial]

8w9 but us 8s stick together 🔥

[@GeorgideMarne]

Me too 8w7. Funny combination 😃

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

I'm definitely a 5. I do relate to owls lol, silent and observant. Also cats. "I'll just think my way through life" defines me too well. I essentially imagine my life way more than I live it, for good and bad. Aspiring writer, btw, and not a project finisher at all :P edit: I do read eyes pretty well tho, and I'm always worried to bore/overburden people, so I keep my rants to myself (thus the writing). Pretty addicted to computers and the internet too. And that inner void often comes up in my writing; there is definitely an attempt to fill it with information and things you create, whether artistic or more pragmatic. I'm more of a 2 when it comes to taking vs giving tho, because 9 is (was) strong in me too, I was a people pleaser giver.

[@SuperLeorich]

2Tim4:3-4 : " For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths."

[@joelbedulla4]

Okay what's the point of posting this verse?

[@manuelsanchezdeinigo3959]

Do you eat Pork, Keep Easter , keep Christmas, Sunday Sabbath?

[@dawnurbina176]

7 here, so much truth! Challenging

[@fromthegarden]

“Ok, the 9, quickly”… followed by a brief description of what it is to be a 9 and then an explanation of what everyone else should do for them. He didn’t take that approach for any of the other numbers - essentially “What are we to do about the 9s?…” Are 9s incapable of finding their own way to salvation? Or is that just a 1 not perceiving his own need to control the 9?

[@aniccadance13]

I’m a 5w4 not easy place to be..

[@neptunian_soul1458]

Same...we are in the gap, complicated

[@msprisfigueiredo]

How difficult is that? Is it that you feel a lot and it's difficult to communicate? I am very curious about 5w4 being a 2w3.

[@jesusisthelife1]

msprisfigueiredo As a 5w4, that is a complication. Speaking to my own experiences, one of the most difficult walls to climb is feeling like a contradiction. Working in the psychological field myself, I've observed the same types older than me; some of them tend to overcome this and become very balanced between 5w4 as very well rounded individuals as they approach maturity (and typically only if they make strides toward self improvement). Thank you for your curiosity!

[@msprisfigueiredo]

@@jesusisthelife1 Thank you for your answer!

[@kdmill7563]

Me too ❤️

[@amandah3619]

That’s true about 7s. I cannot stick with any methodical work. When I worked in an office I was up several times an hour.

[@caffemocca8855]

He described counterphobic 6 as if it was some form of mental illness.

[@Mr.Starpop]

Same. I love sx/sp and sx/so 6s, they're extremely loyal and caring when healthy and most of the times normal. To whoever is a counterphobic 6, you guys are amazing.

[@dianal5087]

Wow, I must be a very high functioning 5. LOL

[@kdmill7563]

I’m a 5w4. I think if you have that heart connection you can function well in the world. Head and heart.... observation and love.

[@LilachLavy]

These talks are wonderful... thank you.

[@karinjahn-walter5846]

Great Performance TYPE 3! And a lot of helpful stuff, THANKS!

[@jonathanhendrix4335]

As a 5, I agree with his comment that the UK is very much it's respected "country" type - sometimes stingy, aloof, and arrogant. But, I also see it being Russia. Their most famous writers are very cerebral, but also somewhat nihilistic from 2 centuries of failed systems, isolation, secrecy, and of course, propaganda campaigns that foster a fantasy of ironic superiority. I've been attracted to both Orwell and Dostoevsky as writers, which considering that, makes complete sense.

[@wes2262]

I’ve been reading Steve Jobs’s autobiography and he’s definitely an 8.

[@sarahdaymon5114]

5’s “don’t have much of a need for sexual encounter compared to the rest of us”??! Loooooooool right

[@cme127]

i know LOL please

[@freefunk5342]

I think that for the 5, its more a mental need than a physical and concrete need with an other type. 5 are so fun, but not so easy to understand haha

[@AnmarieUber]

No time for it. Every second devoted to information. Seriously this is what goes on in my brain.

[@pancakepancake3789]

but during sex you're analyzing it in the back of your mind lol

[@renatamiron8095]

There's a bright side on it. You will never have problems being carried away by feelings or needs and turn your life miserable by having a toxic relationship 😎😎😎😎

[@olivercroft5263]

The way they talk about 6s it makes me feel like I'm not that type

[@shuzennn]

Same and seeing other comments, they don't recognize it either cause it's beyond caricaturized tbh

[@genx2716]

I knew I was a 6 after watching, Beatrice Chestnut's panel of 6. If it helps, I hope.

[@genx2716]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iYKVlGOaatyDaZI

[@caffemocca8855]

The description of 6 is so horrible. It's best to simply ignore it.

[@bethany9296]

I had to scroll for a lot longer than i expected to find these comments. This man provides such a specific, flat, bizzare description of type six. The man needs to get it together

[@YouveGotaType]

For additional videos that are extremely detailed on each enneagram type: TYPE FIVE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoTVlIFqotKti5I TYPE SIX: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJTNhItqpq2Vb7s TYPE SEVEN: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mp-ZYYacrc6Hd5o TYPE EIGHT: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4aXaahrZ9yng8U TYPE NINE: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpy8g2mYlM2Ig7M

[@LV-bk4it]

I prefer Dr. Tom Lahue, a Christian pastor. He spends a great deal of time trying to help the various types not just criticize them. He's very down-to-ground, insightful, and engaging.

[@billgreen7519]

Tom Lahue is funny and cool. One of my favourites. I call him the Muppet. :) Great guy. Love his videos.

[@t.terrell7037]

Does anyone have the link for his discussion on the wings for 5,6,7,8,9? Specifically wanted to know about 5w4 Thanks!

[@gusisagreatname]

"They love to say 'Fuck you.'" -Richard Rohr on the Type 8

[@mooritahh]

I’m a type 4 and my mom is a type 8🥵. Definitely not an easy relationship but wee love each other in our own way.

[@sgrannie9938]

My mum was a 4, my dad was an 8. Never a dull moment ☺️

[@MichaelGaribaldi]

His description of 5's is really accurate. In my case it would be about 90% accurate! I do sit up front in the center because I'm hard of hearing and yes I'm reserved (except on stage (I'm a musician / actor). I'm great on stage but suck one on one (but I'm getting better!)

[@franz5998]

I am an 8w7 and I love fighting for two reasons - 1 the fun of it and 2 in order to deepen my own understanding, because how to better find out what you know and are good at if you do not put it to the test?

[@j.nicolosi6647]

Word. -8w7

[@billgreen7519]

I have replaced my project sponsor because he came fighting me and rely surpressing me. So carefull with whom you are fuckin with. I Know That he was not that happy afterwards. The stupid, insensitive jargon does not work with everyone and especially not with a 3.

[@franz5998]

@@billgreen7519 well.. there is different kinds of „fighting“ in my book. First, I hate people that try to pick a fight with someone in a weaker spot - sponsor / sponsee.. nope, that is an abusive relationship, not a fight, where two competitors try to get the upper hand. Secondly, I fight to win, but that is not the ultimate goal.. it is actually cool to lose (after dust has settled) when I have given everything, because then I learned a lot and can go back in for another round. Insensitive talk is also unnecessary in my book.. I for example tend to be very polite because I think it makes everything easier and costs nothing. But different people, different world-views..

[@pinnymusic]

I’m an 8w7 and I want to have meaningful conversations in a relationship. Not boring superficial conversations.

[@yasminnur7991]

I would say the 9 is a cactus plant lol. they grow in the dessert & they don't need too much, but they're still a plant, in the desert, and they have spikes, like the 9 trying to keep guard to protect its energy

[@lynnrussell467]

Excellent!

[@Killakallie92]

I'm a female 5 and an infj as well and also I am 30 and I don't need glasses at all my vision is superb.

[@KendrixTermina]

the intention was clearly to serve all the types a good nourishing humble pie but he just made the 8 sound incredibly hot

[@guillaumerusengo9371]

Subjective to local culture's values and rules. The way americans describe enneagrams can be observed from way further than the desks at the back.

[@bugajk25]

I'm a 7 with a butterfly tattoo. Ya nailed my #

[@anniem1111]

Hahaha my friend is a 7 and he LOVES Tiger - he’s 50 😂😂

[@francescospini3533]

Precious

[@matttalsma721]

Great Talk god bless

[@Kyoto99952]

This is freaking amazing. I watched every Second of it and im a 7. If something is intellectually stimulating, i will pay attention:P

[@user-lp8uo7qo1k]

Im a four Wing five, first two min brought a tear to my eye

[@aniccadance13]

Omg how right he is about 5s🤔

[@Habitmaker]

I thought I was 4w5 but recently someone told me I could be 7w8. I am still hella confused understanding who I am. I can see myself as 4,5 and 8 but I really don't see 7 or maybe it'a just I don't like to be a 7 because I am really 7w8. I think I could be 7 because I often get disappointed if something doesn't live up to my expectation. I just like to be in my mind imagining my ideal hopes then living in reality.

[@nyc_girl_in_london925]

dumbdadidumb please take a look at this video. I was confused about being 4w5 because I didn’t identify with a lot of the 4 characteristics but many qualities of a 7 or 1 fit too. Then I learnt about the subtypes and realised I’m a 4 with a subtype self-preservation. The description fit like a glove. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnaUgYaei7KAZ9k

[@sunnc]

@@nyc_girl_in_london925 was just about to say this. Facts

[@bugajk25]

More is better 😁 the present is the worst! Lol my 9 wife is always trying to make me be in the moment! The moment was dreamt up yesterday - I'm on to tomorrow! Keep up!

[@sandrasiku6422]

This is deep inspiring i love it

[@SIMCostello325]

What's your obsession? pattern? I'm a 7 (Phobe/Joker)

[@sgrannie9938]

He failed to mention that 9s are good at adapting to and learning from whatever life throws at them. (I speak here of myself and the 9s in my life.) We may seem disengaged, but what people don’t realize is that a lot can be happening under the surface. Sometimes we’re seen as being mentally lazy, when in fact we ponder an issue or perception before we speak rather than speak now and think later. And then there’ are the responsibilities of parenthood and the frequent need to think and act quickly and decisively.

[@lynnrussell467]

As a 9, i ponder over exchanges, experiences, my part and whats to learn...not necessarily to share with anyone, just for my own self understanding. Quiet time well spent, as far as i can see. No need to be important or impress anyone; being is enuff (at 74 yrs i have some degree of self acceptance; wish i had learned this as young adult 😄)

[@vophie]

34:00 This whole lecture is a spiritual experience

[@t.terrell7037]

So as a 5w4 female intj, how does the title "DIscernment of Spirits" relate to the enneagrams? Why is that the title? Thanks!

[@rachel111jones]

If you watch the introduction he talks about how he believes it’s more of a study of spirits and each types shadow self rather than strictly psychological

[@melvin2313]

Type 7 here! Constantly in pain and hate it took 6 years to accept l was with a abusive parent, l couldn’t accept my mother who l hated abused me. So l agree with the awful management of not keeping it downside.

[@hopaideia]

He's got no.5 right on, except from the part that a persona with type no. 5 feels empty inside,

[@freefunk5342]

Interesting remark. The 5 is obsessed by the emptiness inside him, and he's doing everything he can to not face it (by mentally focusing on external things). The way out is: its ok to be empty. Its god damn normal and happens all the time. Dont try to understand it, there is nothing to understand. Just accept that void as it is (and it is void, but thats normal and its not that scary, I assure you), and then it will be easier to fill it for real (not mentally). You need a void somewhere in ordrer to feel filled.

[@susand484]

@@freefunk5342 As a 5 I find that those times in my life when something inspired me to jump over to 4, I was so filled up, so inspired, so involved that no other time in my life compares and I do feel empty, knowing how full life can be, not knowing how to repeat that. I wish he had addressed the work 5's need to do to be their whole selves. When our ideas, values and philosophy are needed, we light up! We can engage and commit to an ideal. We may then get knocked down, back into hermit life, but it was worth it. I'm too nostalgic for those times. I keep thinking "This isn't me, this solitary life.". But it really always has been, with some years that were not. I want to die in a blaze of fire, not staring at my iPad screen digging for more info about something.. The pandemic has made this so much worse. And that could be a gift if I play it right.

[@freefunk5342]

@@susand484 i can feel your 4 wing in your message. What you said is beautiful. You need a lot ok knowledge to act right, with resonnance with your ideals. What is your level of awareness about the pandemic? Do you believe in the mainstream media version or not?

[@susand484]

@@freefunk5342 I choose the journalists that I will listen to an avoid those who speak out of both sides of their mouth. "Main stream media" is a general term that I don't use. Do I believe the reports that come from Johns Hopkins medical center, yes. Do I believe the head of the CDC? Yes. Do I believe Dr. Fauci? Yes. We have to carefully choose who to listen to. "The Main stream media" is not a person or even a group of people. I choose to listen to specific people and I choose not to listen to specific people. I don't listen to people who talk about the pandemic and know nothing about viruses and pandemics. I don't listen to people who are trying to scare me, who want me to be afraid. I don't trust people who do that. People who really want to help you are not the ones who are trying to get you riled up and outraged. But I guess a lot of people want to be riled up and outraged!

[@freefunk5342]

@@susand484 I think you still have a lot of work to do if you want to embody your ideals. I wish you courage and perseverance. Take care of yourself.