The F-15E Controversy... | War Thunder

[@crazeelazee7524]

At this point I am convinced Gaijin has several balancing teams who don't speak with each other.

[@sirius_solaris]

one for each tech tree it seems lol.

[@lars7747]

Honestly that would make more sense, there are balancing decisions which make 0 sense not even in the same tech tree, sometimes even on the same damn vehicle. Removing features that a vehicle had irl to nerd it. Then adding things it didn't to buff it. The only reason for this I can imagine is so that people from both sides will provide leaks

[@dengawr6000]

​@@lars7747had irl? Example?

[@GeneralLee2000]

Clearly AMERICAN MAINS need the F-15EX to compensate 💪

[@Rageaben]

Nah man we need AIM-174 trust.

[@mangosuppe8706]

Can't lie I predict they'll get it in 6 months

[@richard38618]

@@mangosuppe87061 year minimum

[@Likeaworm]

Datalink and sensor fusion overhaul needs to come first lol. No point in adding any 4.5 or 5th gen in the game before that.

[@HouseOnFireHelp]

Still waiting for my F-15 ACTIVE 💪

[@CarameloWT]

Thats one of Gaijin's predatory strategy. Release something broken for a forgotten nation so people go grind it and then release for the most popular ones. This happened quite few times with chinese F-5A, Brits F-4, Japan T-2, china with MiG-21 again.

[@SeekerHead]

I don’t think anything here’s going to be broken

[@adrianstachowski9422]

Izrael is getting new top tier jet every patch now xd

[@sarttee]

@@adrianstachowski9422 before japan :" /

[@onionsmaster]

@@sarttee yeah but Japan dont got much to begin with sadly:(

[@kattkatt6961]

I don't think the T-2 was ever broken? it was a flareless plane at 9.7 with shitty flight performance and 2 aim 9es

[@spencerdenney1573]

If they wanted the F15C to be the main air to air over the F15E force it to always have the conformal tanks. Irl its extremely rare that a F15E would ever fly without its tanks. That would disuade a lot of people from taking it over the C for Air to Air. I also dont understand why you have to sacrifce some counter measures when taking the targerting pod.

[@kiki7170]

It cannot use flare when taking targetting pod and they probably misunderstood it into it cannot carry countermeasures or they are simply working on how to imply it.

[@raketny_hvost]

If they wanted to make f-15c main a2a, they could just give f-15e 29SMT flight model lmfao

[@kiki7170]

@@raketny_hvost They don't need to, just don't put it in the game now. We still have F-16s anyway. (I know it is a "strike aircraft" in game but seriously we don't need it, no other nations have a strike aircraft as capable as F-15E or Su-34, and it is not even close)

[@smolpenguingoddess]

@@kiki7170this might be the silliest response I’ve ever seen to controversy about a new WT vehicle “just dont add it” So many logistical, financial, and community problems would arise from just cancelling an aircraft that it’s just a hilarious suggestion

[@TheByQQ]

@@kiki7170 Oh trust me they do, Gaijin just needs to implement them properly. Tornado, even the German one, should have access to a lot more weapons than they gave it, like AGM--88 or BL755, or laser guided sidewinders, or Taurus cruise missiles, IRIS-T AA missiles, nuclear bombs, JDAMs. But noooo, God forbid Germany gets something relevant to what other nations are getting. At best we can get some anti-ship missiles that don't fucking work

[@kristoferkenny6161]

if anything the main issue really is the maps, being extremely outdated and way too small for these modern era jets, i mean come on matches are usually over within 2 minutes. when will they add operation modes where you're working together in a PVE/PVP stand point of massive maps with tank players and jet players, even naval players, that should be their focus with modern jets now.

[@SeekerHead]

Many players do not like PVE when playing PVP focused games

[@notnurfcreanga]

lower player count matches on big maps makes the game soo much fun, when you get a full player count match on golan heights its all just 1 big fightball of fox 3 missiles that ends in 2 minutes and then the match is over

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

@@SeekerHeadI think it’s a sacrifice to be made to make the game tolerable. Longer matches with higher RP payouts, PVP and PVE enemies in an RB setting is hard to complain about

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

@ yeah I avoid top tier because of that. I loved playing sim because it was pretty relaxed and kinda immersive. It made taking out multi mission loadouts and taking objectives fun. I don’t know why people would have an issues with it

[@SeekerHead]

You can definitely have all of that without PvE. It’s not more tolerable to everyone. If you ever play props, you literally cannot finish a game with AI bleeding tickets on its own, it’s literally unplayable and completely devoid of skill

[@すどにむ]

F-15E itself is superior IRL to F-15C. Lots of pilots says in public that A2A deficiency of E models exist but is almost unnoticeable while extra pylon and features are just nice. So C model missing point of existence next to E model is just how the reality works, there's no outmaneuvering that.

[@elkrumb9159]

That’s IRL not in game, most of the things that make the E better don’t apply

[@tonysabersparks]

I disagree, purely on the fact that I work on the F-15E and a lot of the people I work will would tell you that because it's more rugged the F-15E is STILL heavier even than an F-15C/D. Now whether or not it'd win in a dogfight can be still in the air but it is still at a disadvantage. Now if you put an F-15E with a -229 against a C with a -220 there may be a more evenly found match.

[@anotheralpharius2056]

there is a reason that they are currently replacing f15c's with f15ex

[@m4tko]

Both aircraft have completely different roles in a war. The 15C is just an air superiority fighter while the 15E is a multirole STRIKE fighter. The 15E wouldn't be doing air to air combat unless nobody else is nearby (and even then they would pull them out of that because it is too expensive to lose, almost twice as much as an 15C), but would be STRIKING ground objectives. And because of his STRIKER role the 15E gets extra technology and sensors to help him do his ground job.

[@すどにむ]

​@@m4tko That was of course the IDEA just not the reality, the reality is 15E came in and t-boned 15C out of relevance even in real life

[@ClankerWanker]

The real reason gaijin probably nerfed both the su34 and f15e is money. Grom would have made it super easy to farm bases in both RB and SB, mountains of points with little to no risk. And the F15E with 229 engines makes it so you only have to grind 1 aircraft to have a top dog capable of everything. Remember guys, Gaijins business model is to make your grinding less efficient so that you spend more money on premium! The players of war thunder are simply not allowed to have aircraft that are very effective at grinding, or aircraft that are peak multirole capability because that means you will be grinding for less time, and they will not make as much money. And we all know the Grom wouldn’t have been unbalanced in ground battles not being able to hit moving targets, and the eagle having its engine wouldn’t make it stronger than the Israeli one which already has the better engine, so this must be the reason, or at least it’s highly likely. Go into the forums, there are polls about both aircraft, Russia mains and US mains alike let’s work together to unfuck these great aircraft !

[@zenitu6914]

You my friend, are a genius

[@tonieistotne9471]

The voice of reso in the see of heat

[@chronozeta]

Are you okay, how does engine determine it to be "top dog" brainrot

[@dengawr6000]

Наконец-то кто то с другого берега дошел до логичного вывода

[@ClankerWanker]

@@dengawr6000 no clue what you’re saying

[@piechy]

why the hell does gaijin keep giving the US tech tree the worst variant of their own god damn vehicles?!!!!!!!!!!

[@waskus]

Hoping people will dump money in to the other trees😂

[@youranretart]

to mimic real life

[@wolfno.7558]

The US tech tree is late 2000s right now compared to late 2010s for other tech trees (atleast in ground). It is what it is hard being the best.

[@kamingleung3792]

because irl us aircraft slaps others to the ground. And a Russian company won't let that happen in THEIR game

[@frb906]

@@wolfno.7558 the best in everything including number of scandals 💯💯💯💯

[@m3chgeek470]

Well considering that the eagle is an American jet I definitely think the American version should come with the new engines long before the israelian eagle. Just adding to this comment that if they gave both f-15e the same engines New or Old we wouldn't be having this controversy and I hope it would be the new engines because then that means that for the red side they have something up their sleeve!

[@somerandomguy1475]

That's not how that would work gaijin needs to make sure all nation gets stuff at the same time don't act like the US mains weren't screaming their heads off for the av8B+

[@blackbite6178]

What you want is USA bias, that is not how the game is balanced, both countries should receive versions that are as equal as possible.

[@RedLine_Vibes]

Then the US will suffer because the US in real life isnt balanced ​@@blackbite6178

[@kiki7170]

I get Gaijin's idea when it comes to not giving the F-15E -229 engines. It might just outperform F-15C in everything. What I don't get is why they add this so early. This patch we will get Su-34 and F-15E for USSR, US and Israel, on the other hand, UK is getting another Tornado... and I'm not even talking about the Germans have to choose between a even worse Tornado or a Phantom. We don't need Su-34 and F-15E now. We have 4 Flankers and 6 Eagles in 5 nations and they are adding 3 more before we get any F/A-18, Mig-25 or Eurofighters is just shocking to me.

[@ckingc05]

The funny thing is before the F-15C got the AN/APG-63 V2 & V1 the F-15E was better for A2A since only a few F-15Cs got the APG-70 that the F-15E had which was superior to the APG 63 PSP

[@kiki7170]

@@ckingc05 True, and that's why I always hope they wait a bit then release F-15E with AESA/AMRAAM-C/AIM-9X or something like this later. Now it seems like we would get another F-15C or F-15E with a new avionics later that we need to grind or buy. Absolute pain.

[@francoarca2122]

Gaijin keeps adding dozens of flankers i just wanted another mig29 lol

[@tribblefluffer]

Because they want to milk every airframe dry before they commit resources to paying people to develop new ones.

[@82Pucara11]

Gaijin: *adds F-1/F-2/F-3/F-4/F-5/F-6/F-7/F-8/F-9/F-10/F-11/F-12/F-13/F-14/F-15/-F16/F-17/- -/F-19/F-20/F-21/F-22/F-23* Dumb Community of WT: B-buuuuttt thEEY DIdnT ADddd the EFEighGTEeen 😡😠🤬😠😡👿👿👿

[@INeatFreak]

Just make the conformal fuel tanks on F-15E not removable, it's a strike aircraft, doesn't need to have best flight model, but absolutely does need better engines due to carrying heavy loadout.

[@M1A2C.]

if you want AIM-120s on it I'm pretty sure you need the CFTs, so it's sort of like that (i think, i don't have it on dev server so idk)

[@FirstDagger]

@@M1A2C. No, you don't and the F-15E can use AMRAAM without them in real life.

[@bigtime9597]

The fact that the F-15I never had the 220 engines doesn't really matter. They could still be added anyway because Gaijin has added components/weapons to planes that never used them. For example, the F-16C carries AIM-7Ms and AIM-120As even though it never used either of them. It used the AIM-120C-7. Gaijin even goes so far to add vehicles that were never used, like the F-16AJ. Japan only bought a single one as a short term test before they instead opted to have Mitsubishi license the F-16 design and develop the F.2 Viper Zero. My point here is that their logic still doesn't make any sense because they could just as easily give the F-15I the 220 engines if they really were concerned about balance and skipping the F-15C/Baz. You know what I think? I think they just want more people to buy Israeli premiums to grind their way to the top of the Israeli tree. After all, they do have access to the numbers on which nations are played the most at any given time.

[@LupusAries]

The F-16C used and uses pretty much all AMRAAMs from the A to D. The First AMRAAM Kill ever, was done by by the F-16 (D) was an IQAF Mig-25 on 27th December 1992. Can only be an AIM-120A as no other version was in service yet and the C-7 was first tested in 2003, eleven years later. And Deliveries of the B started in 1994. The Second AMRAAM Kill, an IQAF Mig-23, was on 17 January 1993 by an F-16C. Again an AIM-120A was used. Then there is the Banja Luka Incident, where F-16s shot down 3-5 J-21 Jastrebs (USAF credits 3 kills, the Serbs acknowledged the loss of 5 aircraft*), could either be AIM-120A or AIM-120B. Then there is the 1999 Kosovo War with 2 AMRAAM kills by the F-16 (both a Dutch AM=Block 15 with the MLU Update and USAF F-16CJs, read Block 50/52) could be AIM-120B or early AIM-120C. All those kills were made prior to the introduction of the AIM-120C-7. However the F-16AJ is a good example. Gaijin's been rather selective when it comes to capabilities and who gets them. *One reason for the discrepancy could be that one of the aircraft crashed while trying to escape at low level, after being hit. (There seems to be period where the aircraft continued to fly under control after the hit)

[@GeoDracu]

Community: "Gaijin why doesn't this vehicle have this capability? " Gaijin: "Because I say so 😜" Community: "But you gave this vehicle something similar?" Gaijin: "I know😜" Community: "How is this fair or balanced?" Gaijin: "😜" Make no mistake, these are the conversations we are having with Gaijin.

[@sovietbanana4589]

Basically how soviet air is rn. Soviet early MiG-29 doesn’t get r-73 meanwhile Germany does. Soviet early MiG-21 doesn’t get r-60 while German one does. MiG-29smt doesn’t get its proper engines to compensate for extra weight. Both su-27 and MiG-29 actively missing aoa and being confined to missile busses despite currently having worse missiles. Man gaijin really does suck at balance.

[@BlackjackTheLad]

​@@sovietbanana4589 For Gaijin to give the early 29 R-73s they'd have to change the current R-73 to the R-73M and give it an R-73 with no IRCCM since it never had any IRL. The Soviet air tree is gimped in flight performance but it has overperforming missiles. The R-77 in-game currently is literally an R77-1 both in terms of performance and even the physical model. The datamined "R77-1" is literally just Gaijin fantasy.

[@sovietbanana4589]

@ uh what mf? The r-73 irl and in game had irccm with the base version. This is done by making the area the seeker covers when seeking very small so countermeasures won’t be caught in the seeker head. This is present on the base and improved variant so you’re just wrong. Secondly the r-77 in game isn’t strong, but artificially nerfed. This is done by its drag being unrealistically high. The grid fins on the r-77 have very low drag at supersonic and subsonic speeds, but high drag at transonic speeds. It should this have range equal to the aim-120. However in game its drag is exclusively modeled as the drag at transonic speed. This artificially needs its range to ridiculously low. Meanwhile its seeker head is statistically worse than the aim-120. Also its physical model is not the r-77-1, the fins would be different. Actually do research instead of posting U.S cope as to why an inferior missile in game that’s been artificially nerfed is somehow overpowered or over performing.

[@BlackjackTheLad]

@@sovietbanana4589 The R-77-1 still has grid fins, the obvious tell that the model in game is the 77-1 is the laser fuze windows as opposed to the completely smooth exterior of the base 77. Don't tell me what I don't know when you've conflated the 77-1 with the R-77M. If your source for the difference between R77 variants is Wikipedia, you should find better sources. Secondly, the R-73 currently in-game is a fiction. The base R-73 has no IRCCM, that came later with the R-73M standard some years later. And lastly, the base R-77's range irl is completely woeful and as such the "R-77" we have in the game is either overperforming or it's performing like a 77-1. I'm not saying it's a cracked missile in-game at the moment, I'm saying it performs better than the real thing. That's what overperform means.

[@sovietbanana4589]

@ are you a idiot? The r-77-1 is not the one in game. The r-77-1 is actually in the game files however has a completely separate model from the current r-77. Also I meant to say different grid fins not removing the grid fins, the r-77-1 has different grid fins but they’re still grid fins. Secondly the r-77’s range irl is comparable to that of the aim-120a. Now as mentioned in game this is incorrectly modeled because of the drag. The r-77 way underperforms in terms of range. I would link to research papers showing how the fins function irl but KZbin comment sections won’t let me. In terms of the r-73 the base variant did in fact have irccm. Idk why you’re trying to debate this because it’s an established fact. This is acknowledged by literally everyone, stop being a dumbass on the r-73. Literally nobody debates or tries to debate this because it’s an established fact. You’re complaining about something that’s a figment of your imagination.

[@LilySanWT]

Something minor that annoys me the most is that they went through the process of giving the E the afterburners of the 229

[@TazziedoesWT]

doesnt matter what game it is, dcs of warthunder, the f15e will always have controversy

[@markthegamer5304]

Though I wish the one in DCS hadn't happened as I do want to see that plane get completed someday

[@TazziedoesWT]

@my profile pic is literally the dcs F15E. Loved that gorgeous thing, but screw dcs for what they did to raz.

[@GrumpyHacker314]

the f-15E doesn't even need the 229 engines Because the engines it has now are under performing compared to the IRL counterparts . In game they produce ~8,000kgf but IRL they produce ~10,000kgf in afterburner. Almost all of the F-15's in game have ~4,000 less kgf of thrust for reasons only the snail knows

[@GoodGuyDevin]

same with the su-27, it lacks thrust, ill never understand why gaijin gimps the aircraft we have wanted for so loong lol

[@Maverick966]

Nope, you are talking about engine static thrust when tested outside, but engines when installed inside the F-15 produce less thrust at 0 km/h because the air intakes cause losses giving engines less air than they need, generally about 10-15% less thrust, and it is the thrust showed in the statcard, but when the aircraft flies at 500-1000 km/h or more the thrust is a lot more than the statcard because the engine is sucking a lot more air

[@lazer2238]

You are looking at stat cards and not at actual performance. You gain a lot more thrust when you accelerate

[@kiki7170]

There is a thing called installed and uninstalled thrust. Currently F-15's F100 is correct because Gaijin said they use installed thrust statistic, though I doubt all planes are using installed statistic, especially for early Vietnam War jets.

[@MeNamesPoshOpossum]

The thrust is usually wrong on the stat card

[@cozymode]

I think they can fix all of these issues by adding the f2

[@mangosuppe8706]

Yep 100% agree with you right there🙃🙃🙃

[@Yea.IGetHectic]

Everyone likes to just jump on people who have valid complaints and criticisms so they can justify in their mind, hating people who play US. As if gaijin not giving out a better airframe to germany is our fault. Gaijin is just inconsistent AF, and their reasoning for this whole debacle is so laughable, it almost felt like it was april 1st... Giving the 229's to the E wouldn't impact the game as much as they think but personally I think it's just a charade so in the future they can add an f-15E late model, so we have ANOTHER damn jet to grind and waste time and SL on.

[@kavvy1188]

Whats the point in that, there's more f15e to add and soon they will have to upgrade the f15e engine

[@Yea.IGetHectic]

@@kavvy1188 What's the point of what? them adding a late model f-15e? To keep people grinding so they look good to stockholders, but as a player it kinda sucks when we could just get the engines here and now..

[@lazer2238]

I like to jump US mains and US mains only because they are the only ones that shit bricks when they don’t get the best of the best. Not like minor nations have been in the dumpster for eternity, not like Israel always got the worse US aircraft. Now that they get something better we are shitting bricks all over again. US mains are never satisfied, I have never seen so many crybabies, even Russian mains cry less on ru forums. It’s insane. I ah e no sympathy for US players, if they think US is bad they should go play a minor nation.

[@BlackjackTheLad]

Honestly the real reason is probably because with 2 separate Mudhens they can keep the one with 220s at a lower BR, give it 120Bs and 9Ms and then the later one with 229s can get 9X and 120Cs and beyond. Which I admit would be a weird approach given that there's an F-16C in the American tree that is capable of carrying the 9X already but I anticipate there'll probably be a block 30ish F-16 yet to come to the American tech tree whether as an event, squadron or premium vehicle I can't say.

[@Yea.IGetHectic]

@@BlackjackTheLad Wouldn't be a bad idea, but I feel like they'd bring the f-18 before those. I just cant see them adding x's or B's without having that bad boy in the lineup first.

[@Harry-wx3nf]

Why doesnt gajin just give the israeli one mavericks and give the american one the 229s it doesnt make sense to give a nation their produced aircraft and not have it have the upgrades it had in real life

[@Taiku__]

they're probably going to release a "F-15E (Late)" or something along the line with more of the upgrades the US strike eagle had

[@INeatFreak]

If Israeli one had Mavericks, then it absolutely should get them, same with F-15E, both should get the engine upgrade.

[@Yamaha_Kid]

but by that logic the Mig 29SMT and the Su-27SM would have its upgraded engines but they were denied

[@honzavasicek]

@@INeatFreak I dont think IAF used mavs on F15I but it can carry them, they are not outright removing capability for IAF jets. What is mindblowing is missing AGM-130 for US F-15E and Popeye for IAF one. Then there are other PGMs for IAF that are missing. Iam pretty sure it can carry small optical guided delilah cruise missile too which was first time used on F-4E kurnasses. F-15Is AG ordnance is significantly limited, pretty much all israeli domestic weapons are missing.

[@lucinator8582]

@@Yamaha_Kidthe worst part about the SMT (I dont know shit about the SM) is that it says on the xray that the SMT HAS the upgraded engines but gaijin never went ahead and added the extra thrust

[@flether65]

Well this is the inherent problem with pushing the tech limit further and adding a jet that was, SURPISE, made to replace and be the top fighter for a nation IRL. You have to either artificially nerf it, accept that it'll replace the other aircraft, or have vastly spread out BRs so they each have a functional slot.

[@CMReaperbob]

IMO it's pretty simple. Gaijin has stats on which trees on average have more planes unlocked. I would bet Isreal is a nation lower on that list. Which means on average more grinding to get the best F-15E in the game. More grind = more money.

[@iwyrilja]

I would be fine giving the F-15E the upgraded engine if it was stuck with the CFTs, no option to take them off. Taking the CFTs off an F-15E is NOT the same as taking them off an F-15C. Because of all the wires and stuff needed for the bombs and electronics for the GPS guided stuff it takes a while to remove them. Thats why the USAF always flies F-15E with CFTs attached

[@FirstDagger]

USAF developed doctrine to no longer have to do that for CAP missions in Europe as the F-15E and F-15EX are replacing aging F-15C/Ds.

[@tonysabersparks]

Hi, F-15E crew chief here; We can usually raise and lower a CFT in about an hour or so. I can't say on how the F-15C CFTs were removed because they were used a long time ago and as a one-off but I would assume it's similar.

[@FirstDagger]

@@tonysabersparks F-15Cs of 57 FIS out of Iceland (IS tail) used them quite alot.

[@tonysabersparks]

Yes I do believe those were the ones I was referring to, thank you.

[@hgejhae]

As a Chad French+Israeli main: When they came out with the F15C (and the Baz Meshupar), the C had TWS and HMD and all the works, as you’d expect. The Meshupar didn’t get the TWS+Radar HMD slave upgrade IRL, so when it came out it didn’t get all that. I was dissatisfied but such is the snail. At some point in the next like 6 months, the snail gave the Meshupar TWS+HMD Radar, despite there being like 8 bug reports where people complained about no TWS and some snail mod saying “fuck off it doesn’t have it IRL”. So all this is to say, they’re probably going to give the E the upgrade at some point, everyone’s gotta cope for one update or another. I should know, I’ve been a French main since the Mirage IIIC :)

[@mastermidir]

I think it would be fine if the E couldn't remove its conformals. They were never really used without them. Meanwhile, the F-15I WAS used without them. It would at least give more difference between the planes.

[@Wiggll]

apparently Gaijin now when one plane is better than another: 😱

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

Theres also the issue of the -220 not having the correct thrust. Its static thrust is ever so slightly lower than the -100, but IRL it has a considerable thrust curve increase over the -100. The F-15C with 3 pylons and no ordnance has a maximum initial climb rate of 67,000fpm per a 1990's publicly released manual. If they gave the F-15C that IRL clime rate I would have less issue with the current predicament.

[@Registered_Simp]

Honestly, the F-15C would be the premier ATA platform anyway since it's just so much lighter. Even if the E can get faster, the C can maneuver notably better. At some point, more thrust just doesn't solve the problem. So that logic just falls apart instantly

[@stevendowns4378]

I think Gaijin is going to do an F-15E Late in the future combining the 229 engines with the AN/APG-82(V)1 radar. That will probably be succeeded by the F-15EX in the future.

[@amanamu231]

I have an idea, this one is for free Gaijin. Don't give any of them better engines because F-15C is already the best performing aircraft in the game and doesn't have to be even stronger.

[@SeekerHead]

They won’t be stronger really, the extra weight cancels it out

[@stelun1285]

The reason Gaijin is giving the Israel jet the upgraded engines is because they know people will spend ge to get the best f15, its al about money now for gaijin

[@user-bm2xf6io3c]

In modern WT, the hardes tthing is categorizing a MULTIROLE fighter into one specific line. Really just sucks that I just got the F-15C though D:

[@Taylor59595]

its a simple 2 part reason, 1 the american tech tree has vastly more players than israel, so there will be many more f15e's if they add it to america. 2 and this may be the main reason for gaijin, adding it with the 220 means they can make another f15e later with the 229 and it artificially extends the tech tree. sure there are many experimental designs and many cold war real aircraft to be added to the game but they are eventually going to run out of things to add to the game. mind you if it were up to me they would just add it with the 229 but its kind of what ever.

[@No_Feelings]

Neither of these reasons make any sense and there's been literally zero precedent for anything like this to be taking place. They 100% just drank their own kool-aid and believe the engines will power creep the MSIP 2 out of use.

[@LTFP-fw3it]

I’m so confused where are the American mains complaining 😂

[@UNITEDSTATESGOVERMENT]

love you seek (even the government watches you)

[@mobiusr5251]

Gaijin coming up with ass balances to get people to play other nations.... meanwhile I haven't moved from the 3 nations I've been suffering in for years.

[@KurnassTwoThousand]

2:39 "The thrust curve seems to be way too high." if we're being honest it's probably too low. Gaijin admitted several times for several planes now that the engine performance past 35,000 or so feet doesn't concern them, because "Those altitudes aren't seen in combat often anyway."

[@therealavenger3537]

Im genuinely surprised they added the F-15E and Su-34 on this patch. Thought october was a minor patch...

[@Fuzeha]

Simple solution, move the F-15I Ra'am to 14.0, or 14.3 or whatever. Even if it's the only plane there - with the 229 engines it will be a straight up (and fairly significant) upgrade over the already 13.7 F-15E so this is completely logical. It also wouldn't overshadow the Baz Meshupar since the two would be at different BRs.

[@phantomraptor8851]

it would over shadow the baz meshupar as the F-15I wont be absolutely mutilated from the get go with a dogshit radar

[@SnarlingLynx]

Looks like I did well to dish out from the game last update. This new one looks just horrible. "Balancing" by removing capacities from aircrafts, ballistic missiles for russia, no real Patriots or equivalent for Russia to protect airfields, stealth bombers in 8.7... what a fucking shitshow. The last update was already breaking everything, especially with that fucking new A10 fighting with IRCCM against planes that could never flare them because they don't have enough, now it just reassure me in the fact that it is better that my account goes old and dusty and forgotten. There are better games to be played.

[@navyeod_24]

Oh boy here we go in the ringer again... Also for microphones I recommend the HyperX QuadcastS. I bought it on a whim and I'm extremely happy with it. Great quality, highly recommend!

[@Thebaconmurderer]

Why the hell would I use the F15E in ground when i have th F16C? Yeah I have reduced amount of AGMs but that doesnt matter when i have a more maneuverable aircraft that can consistantly dodge SPAA missiles. The main reason people wanted the F15E is for Air RB and Sim with its increased emgine thrust.

[@M1A2C.]

The only advantage of the Strike Eagle in GRB is the sheer amount of ordnance it can carry, it gets up to 8 AIM-120s while also packing enough bombs and AGMs to singlehandedly take down Godzilla. The ground radar is nice too ig

[@KIM-vr5uh]

After my Blue Yeti broke after using it for 5 years because of a loose Mini-B connection, I brought a Hyperx Solocast this year and never looked back. Pair it up with Voice Meeter's equalizer and it just gives really premium crisp audio for recordings and Discord. The USB-C cables, touch to mute toggle, small size, and low cost makes it worth it. Although I must admit that I do miss the sensitivity knob, volume knob, and audio jack on the Blue Yeti. I do not miss the small button to mute, the unreasonable bulkiness and weight, and the horrible Logitech G Hub software. Had the loose Mini-B connection been reinforced to prevent being a failure point or USB-C I would have still used my Blue Yeti but now it's just a paperweight.

[@btoiscool]

Pro tip on the mic: Get an AT2020 and a sock, and call it a day.

[@Andersans11]

I don't even get why the F-15E is even in the bomber line of the American tech tree at all. It should probably be the third rank 8 in the heavy fighter line.

[@ICECAPPEDSKY]

F15E should’ve gone in the attacker line below the Harrier in my opinion.

[@starliner2498]

@@ICECAPPEDSKY well a future F/A-18D would be a better fit with the F/A-18F following after it

[@starliner2498]

@@ICECAPPEDSKY This is because the both the harriers and hornet D were operated by the marines

[@kochiyoshi]

@@starliner2498 but the marine line is under F-14B, the harrier is in strike aircraft line

[@NotDwight-j8n]

The controversy really should be its air to ground radar doesn’t show stationary targets.

[@markthegamer5304]

I have a lot to say about the F-15E, a bunch of it is not correct especially with the JDAM's on the top row of CFT hardpoints as those points could only be used to ferry JDAM's, not drop them or give them targeting information as the wiring required does not go to those specific hardpoints

[@andrewwillard5625]

Blue yeti is a meme at this point honestly for how good you sound I would not of guessed that 😂😂

[@VanillaVulporca]

Also everyone is mad at the glide bombs it can carry but you've got to realise they are GPS guided and so they can only hit things standing still

[@gustavofelix3433]

This choice must be to compensate for the menshupar's loss of having to spend months with that rotten radar of the f15A

[@StealthySpace7]

The F-15E is already significantly heavier with the addition of the new radar, CFT's, and second seat plus some new avionics. The F-15C is still a better Air to Air platform in terms of dogfighting. Gaijin routinely gives other countries better versions of US tech for some reason. (I say for some reason, we all know the reason)

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

I thought this was an Eagle Dynamics video, well seems like this is a cursed jet alongside every flight game

[@orange1718]

My guess is probably that gaijin wants to force people grinding American trees to have to grind 2 separate lines. USA is definitely the most popular tree in the game even when compared to Germany or USSR. Honestly even though it’s kinda weird, it’s really not that big of a deal imo, F-15C is only marginally worse than F-15I and f-15c is already imo probably the best plane in the game rn.

[@GhostNinja987]

You really wanted to hit that Su 34 with that Paveway lol 😂

[@SeekerHead]

Historically accurate F15E air to air kill

[@mizzar4929]

Would you talk about the Leopard situation? How they are giving lot of nations top tier leopards ruinning Germany exclusivity, since i started playing in 2017 im grinding germany for leoparss, (im f2p player) just now im finishing it with F4 ice and Leo2A7, currently grinding these, just to see how France and Italy get the same top tier leopards lol, its like a slap in the face after all the time i spent grinding for it. Right now germany has no exlusive and there is no reason to grind it. Air? Germany just has a Mig29 and a F4 ICE Ground? Leopards, but guess what now everyone gets one (exageration) Helicopters? Eurotigers except you can find better options on other nations. I would like to hear what you think about this topic. Nice video :)

[@pikapika2-7273]

First great vid seek. One thing everyone arguing is forgetting is that the three f15’s mentioned are all actually different variants designed for different uses. The f15c was specifically designed as a pure a-a superiority fighter. The AMERICAN f15E WE CURRENTLY have is designed to be mostly a pure ground strike aircraft. The f15I was specially wanted/designed by Israel to be a multi role fighter it was designed to have most of the ground strike capabilities of the f15E while also still being great at pure a-a superiority fighting like the f15C. Israel wanted it to be a do it all plane. So yes if accurate the f15I should probably just be better than both the f15c and E because it’s newer and was designed to be so.

[@thedakenzie6650]

What if they did the same system as the spitfires guns, start with one engine research and upgrade to the better engines with more thrust

[@SkiddyOcean117]

2:59 woah, maybe dont jump the gun and release the F15E when you have 3 versions of the F18 and the F14D waiting to be released.

[@Rageaben]

I don’t really understand why they don’t give the F-15E the upgraded engines. Like we already have the F-15I with them and as well as it performs, it’s not game breaking. Gaijin just making excuses at this point. Like for example, the M1 had 5 prototypes that had DU in the hull. Gaijin said no because they never went into service but to my knowledge, the T-80B only had 1 prototype that had the thermal sights and that never went into service and gaijin gives it to the T-80B. I wonder when gaijin will use their brain for once.

[@thatoneguy1741]

Cause Israeli F15s came out the factory with the 229s E was eventually upgraded

[@Rageaben]

@ I knew that part. It already has it and we see how the F-15I performs. And yes that speed is crazy but it wouldn’t be game breaking. So idk why gaijin making excuses about it. “Oh it would make the F-15C pointless for air to air.” And my response to that is ok so? I am sorry the F-15E is just better in BVR than the F-15C. And how cares if we skip the first version of the F-15E. Gaijin has skipped lots of different versions of aircraft. Like they skip the F-16 block 1, block 5, block 25, block 30, block 35, and block 45. And just went from block 15 to block 50. And when the F/A-18 comes to the game, they will probably skip the A version and go to the C version.

[@starliner2498]

@@Rageaben Hornet-A could be a 13.0 (or 12.7) premium

[@Rageaben]

@@starliner2498 Still. Knowing gayijin, they probably will add the C and add the A later.

[@phantomraptor8851]

just a little point about israel being in the same position. to my knowledge the F-15I is what really replaced the F-15C's. typically israels main fighter became the F-16I which replaced the later barak C models. the reason gaijin has put the F-15I under the barak D model is most likely because the F-15I is a attacker and not a dedicated fighter. as for the baz line... those kind of have been fazed out. Its the reason why you dont see that many photos of the F-15C's past the introduction of the F-15I and F-16I's (they still operate F-16D's as pure grounder fighters to fill in numbers)

[@x-plane1188]

Ноющие джоны: просчитались, но где?...

[@Pepp4664]

When you started talking about your microphone I tought it was going to be a sponsor…. How wrong was I 😂

[@joshbosco4028]

Can't wait until the add the F22 and it's not stealth and the SU-57 will be invisible lol

[@No_Feelings]

Gaijin: Adds a multirole capable jet Also Gaijin: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS THING CAN ACT AS A MULTIROLE? WHO SIGNED OFF ON THIS! NERF IT NOW!" As this point america mains are just used to it. We get the gimped/worse version of all our stuff, other nations get native tech that we dont, hell some nations have more export variants in their tree than america has native versions in the entire line (looking at israel with the A-4s). And yet somehow, some way, everyone will still complain that america is "too oppressive" and "needs balancing". Maybe if people didn't want to deal with modern weapon disparities they shouldn't have been pushing gaijin to jump to hypermodern tech.

[@FastestGunNJ]

It's Gaijin. Making money is the goal here, and every decision needs to be seen through that lens. Why would you grind the air superiority tree if the F-15E could perform in the same capacity and more? That's the line of thinking. It's about wasting your time to promote premium, eagles, and lions sales. It has nothing to do with in-game balance, quite obviously.

[@btoiscool]

Also they're putting the E in the attacker line? W I finally have a reason to had grinded out the A7's lol

[@kave-2278]

4:05 The C is still better for air to air stuff because it's tons lighter, But the E was designed to be a self escorting ground attack aircraft there's no reason for it to get the worse engines.

[@SimplySinify]

Make 5v5 to 10v10 the standard at top tier. Modern jets need the breathing room to really function like they should. I mean seriously on Spain I barely leave the runway and I'm getting locked up. plus it would made the A to G weaponry actually have a point since matches would last longer than 5 minutes.

[@asianchopsticks5048]

I think the F15STOL needs to be added, I really think it will balance the meta quite nicely

[@Zenitchik_130]

Well, Israeli tree is much smaller and having "better" variant of same thing can incourage some people to grind it. Tho I think that in return F-15E should recieve an AN/AAQ-33 Sniper ATP and F-15I Litening II or even stay with LANTIRN for a while as more of an "AA version"

[@UselessWeeb]

if you want a recommendation for a mic, I have been using a Rode NT1, the XLR not the USB, for a few years now ever since my blue yeti died and its been a great microphone. You do need an audio interface to use the NT1 but there is a bundle they do for this one that comes with the Rode AI-1 audio interface, and it has been my work horse for the last 3ish years now

[@SeekerHead]

What about background noise/taps or bumps. It's a condenser mic so that's a concern

[@UselessWeeb]

@@SeekerHead Mine is on a normal desk mount mic arm and using the shock mount that comes with the kit and i dont get much if any noise from bumping my desk, background noise is minimal even with a louder mechanical keyboard for me after playing with the settings some.

[@swaggydays_yt7641]

isn't war thunder supposed to be "historically accurate"?

[@niqqa_stole_my_name]

No, we wouldnt be able to bring 7 maus on a vietnam map, we wouldnt have russia foghting alongside usa

[@LupusAries]

If you want a good mike, just take the Beyerdynamic Fox, great Microphone with 24-bit capability and it often goes on Sale with the exceptional Tygr 300 Open Back Headphones during Black Friday. Got mine a while before when it cost full price, but it is worth that.

[@mattcooper6591]

An updated F-15 with better engines?!? Omg…who would’ve guessed they’d improve the engines? Honestly, give it the upgraded engines and move the F-15E behind the C variant. Problem solved with Gaijin’s logic saying they want people to grind it.

[@SirMikato]

Get this man a job at Gajin, he knows whats best.

[@Taylor.L.]

No that’s a bad idea look what happened to Oxy

[@SirMikato]

@Taylor.L. Nah is fine i trust this guy.

[@gigacream5830]

@@Taylor.L. What happened to Oxy? Ik he doesn’t post anymore but did something else happen?

[@StrikeWeasel15]

They'll most likely add the 229's to a newer suite of US F-15E. As far as I know, only 3 squadrons operating the F-15E recieved the 229 upgrade (391st, 492nd and 494th). The default skin on the 15E on the dev server is of the 389th so I don't think they'll change it on the current suite in the dev server. Also the 15E with 229's and slick without CFT's is said to be insane by all those who have been lucky enough to fly a 229 15E without CFT's so the F-15I's extreme performance (CFT's removed) is honestly not that far off from reality.

[@marshall-yo5ho]

the 229 engine will likely be released with the AESA radar version I'd guess

[@barnykirashi]

Man, I was only playing the Soviets for Tier III-V, with the Lavochkins and MiG I-225, and the very early soviet jet development, and I was like, meh I'm not really all that intrested in the Su-27, I'd rather have the J-11.....And now they dropped the Su-34, and that's it, I want Su-34, I'll grind Su-34, I don't want a fat MiG-29, I have the German one, I don't want Su-27 either, I'm strictly intrested in the Fullback/Hellduck/Kitchen So to be honest it's kind of petty to think like that. "We don't want the E to overshadow the C" I'd rather play the E simply because it's a Twin Seater. (But The F-14 is probably the only plane I'm intrested in at US Top tier anyways, so I'mma wait for F-14D)

[@areyou0k98]

Still waiting for all F-15s to get their 4 BOL pods that Gaijin have "acknowledged" and approved of in the bug reports almost a year ago lmao.

[@Hanz_Fischer]

I love it when any other nation complains about their vehicles not being as good as they are IRL they get what they want, but when Germany doesn't even have a top tier jet right now. Let's not forget about the Japanese f16, which they added because "they needed something to be competitive." Well now Germany is in the same situation as Japan was in and gaijin doesn't even bat an eye. The F4EJ kai would have been like what the F4F ICE is nowadays. Back then the EJ kai had the same missiles as the f16ADF, much like how the ICE has the same missiles as stuff like the f15c and f16c. Following that logic Germany should also have gotten a fictional f16 but here we are, getting told to deal with the ICE while japan got a completely fictional plane they never used or wanted

[@MrARNOLD]

Fun fact: F-15A does have PD RAM which is unnotchable and unsplittable... F-15C doesn't have it :D

[@MoatHenry356]

I grind both lines.The difference is really not noticeable BAZ M vs 15C since TWS fix. I personally will prefer the E with Snake Eyes Low CAS. We do need HARM to Magnum the new OSA

[@jfv2312]

Would the F-15E be that much superior with the upgraded engines though??? Yes, I've seen the videos of the F-15I dogfighting other planes and I'm aware that the new engines offer almost 20% more thrust, but top tier RB/SB battles don't consist only of 1v1 dogfights... Basically, I think the F-15C, E, J and I will still perform almost identically, we're getting to a point in game where having better weapons and sensors is getting more and more important, of course flight performance still matters but that doesn't mean it's vital for a plane to work at a certain BR

[@crusty_05]

a good microphone is an AT2020, get one a those. the have an XLR version And a USB version. and never buy a gaming branded microphone. cool videos, keep it up :)

[@KaguyasBeat]

People saying you only complain about the US were clearly not here for the long lived ER meta

[@gr86_tr]

Give the F15C Aim 120 Cs and give the F15E with the better engine aim 120 A/Bs also however they will have to upgrade the rest of the ARH missiles to compete but thats probably the end game with gaijin

[@RiflesGunner]

Tbh they should put the F-15E under the F-15C, so people will grind out the F-15E while still having or having to get the F-15C I can see why they put it where it is and I agree that they put it there, but if neglecting the F-15C is a problem for them then they should just put it under the C

[@rnzafdude]

Just force the Strike Eagles with CFTs for higher min fuel. East balance.

[@Erez888]

The real reason why the F15 I Ra'am doesnt have AGM 165 Mavericks is because non of the countries israel is fighting dont even have tanks, making the AGM 65's pretty useless. I understand they are now fighting Iran, a country that has tanks, but Israel and Iran only entered a direct war in the past year, and even now there is no reason to destroy their tanks, because they do not pose a threat.

[@phantomraptor8851]

not only that israel has its own domestic weapons which are better then the mavericks but we wont be seeing them in wt

[@AstroGamer_da_real]

Gajijn logic:

[@amc2167]

I am suprised the controversy is about F15 s engine and not the fact that it's multirole loadout is a damn bible size shopping list. But Grom 1 was too much, also i'm pretty sure mig 29SMT should have stronger engines and few talk about it

[@Cam_Wight]

Tbh I think the logic is flawed in so many ways. 1. Why add it in the first place, the plane is more advanced than anything the minor nations have just yet. Stupid decision when we don’t even have the LEGACY hornet let alone the super, Eurofighter, Rafael etc. 2. The E is literally an upgrade, if you don’t give it its upgrades then wtf is the point in adding it? 3. This is a stupid precedent. Does that mean we shouldn’t have added all the variants of the P-51 or spitfire, F-4, Sherman tank, etc etc,because they’re better and we want people to play other planes still? So stupid. You either add it, and properly, or don’t make the decision in the first place. Gaijins management is so stupid

[@AZ-dj1ni]

Still have the problem that if you carry the TGP, you lose the DL?

[@Frogg-YT]

we emptying our bank accounts with this sale 🔥🗣

[@lenx9963]

F15E should be upgraded or just foldered under the F15C

[@Thevegetableslayer]

Are sound mods in War Thunder Bannable?

[@Thebaconmurderer]

Remember people these creators are paid by Gaijin they tend to lean towards their reasoning over the communities unless they get severe backlash from us. You start dropping dislikes they start removing their mouths from the tits of the company.

[@Lovadvaredukristus]

Been a while since a gripen video. I think you should do a updated one.

[@jusezaba8557]

At the merge the F-15E is still a boat so the C variant should be able to maintain it's superiority with ease

[@איילדניש]

as a guy grinding the israeli tree im asking, what line is the F-15i ra'am

[@Houndour44]

Get the AT 2035 with a Scarlett Solo, solid combo for youtube and streaming

[@vShxde3]

Give the C a better AMRAAM variant with that logic 🤷🏽‍♂️ or make the flight model for the C a little better