The Fall of House of Usher Episode 8 Reaction | The Raven

In 1980, Roderick and Madeline seize a chance to cement their fortune for a price; decades later,
the remaining Ushers reckon with the consequences.
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#TheFallofHouseofUsher #Netflix #Finale

[@chelscara]

I loved the detail that Madeline wrote “you are so small” on that brick because it shows, even if she looked down on Annabel for being an emotional and caring person, she still got under her skin. This normal, average, real person made the great Pharaoh Madeline feel so small she had to try and transfer that feeling to someone else.

[@tree6787]

I agree 100% she really got under her skin by calling her small! She knew exactly what that made her feel like that's why she wrote it on the brick!

[@Ry-le1cu]

Absolutely agree

[@YoungYahtz94]

Idk if you caught it but that’s the same thing Annabel said to her after they turned on August

[@cinnabonbons]

Roderick really said “fuck them kids” lmfao

[@FeliciaWilliams1908]

He really did🤣 Out here using no protection

[@sabrinawalker1421]

None of the kids were adopted… Roderick explained that in the first episode, 6 kids 5 mothers. Folie à deux is a French term for delusion shared by two which is a shared psychotic disorder normally found shared by twins which Roderick and Madeline are. As they said came into the world together and leave the same way.

[@pabloc8808]

I appreciate how Verna respects Pym. He knows he's done horrible things and he's willing to face the consequences. He's not a good man, but he knows what's fair is fair, much like Verna herself. She's not good or bad, her whole thing is "a deal is a deal".

[@madisonforsythe343]

i love Madeline’s hesitancy when agreeing to the deal because she knew Roderick was signing away the lives of 2 kids already living

[@SM-BSW]

Whereas Roderick gambled his children's lives without hesitation. And had four more, even though he KNEW he was sentencing them to an untimely death.

[@SM-BSW]

I'm so glad that Dupin was the audience surrogate. He put the Usher's depravity into sharp focus. I also love how Verna kind of slapped the mementos on top of most of the graves, and threw that baggie on Fredrick's grave... But she reverently laid the Raven's feather on Lenore's grave. That was a nice, subtle piece of visual storytelling.

[@SM-BSW]

The fact that Roderick had two kids already and STILL made that deal without hesitation shows his lack of character! IMO

[@ACinemafanatic]

The scene with Lenore made me cry and it was the only time Roderick was emotional about an ushers death

[@Thollis1987]

Lenore was the only beautiful pure person he made in his family. Lenore was his humanity and heart with Annabel.😢

[@msteward2070]

If the children were adopted, they would have been safe.

[@robbieking4070]

Ah, you mean if none of them were related by blood. Just random orphans he picked up. Perhaps they would be safe.

[@agustinbarquero8898]

I mean, she also sees the future. You can see how much he got hurt by their kids' deaths. So, the deal would've been different.

[@kelseyj.c7828]

Roderick was worse than Madeline because he already had children. Didn’t even hesitate. And he went on to have four more! Even a 25 year old, he had to know that kid couldn’t have a long life

[@zedge527]

Verna is neutral. Not good. Not evil. Not the devil. An immortal being who likes to "experiment" with humans (the morally corrupt ones seem to be her preference) to see how they will respond/behave under different circumstances. Shes like an immortal Sociologist/Psychologist.

[@agm5424]

She's a type of cosmic being, something similar to The Endless from Dc comics. The best explanation I've read is that she's one of the beings that dwell somewhere beneath the earth, as in hollow earth, outside of time and space, a place that can only be reached from a mythical island called Ultima Thule that Poe mentioned on his poem Dreamland.

[@ValyTraveler]

That ending where the actors are reciting Poe - is awesome... Love it...

[@singinglibrarian88]

Poe's story, "The Cask of Amontillado" was always the scariest to me. Being buried alive behind a wall....no thank you. Verna=Raven was fantastic!

[@tkaki6029]

Me too. Read it freshman year of high school and it freaked me out.

[@andhispalmugman6314]

Yeah bro at that point if you’re gonna kill me, just shoot me or something. This is crazy.

[@mauricewilliams8987]

What I learned with Verna and some of the scenes throughout the show, she seems to love good moral choices. The way she defended Morelle (even warning her when she didn’t have to and didn’t even control her the way she did Frederick and the Bartenders to forcefully leave), she told Tamerlane to go apologize to her husband before the inevitable and even the way she sought to console Pym (from things in his life that he didn’t control, rather actions from people he was with) to letting Lenore know all the good she was going to do by having saved her mother (and how it even hurt having to kill her but it was the deal); She’s definitely something tied to Fate more than Death or the Devil, I want to believe.

[@LocksAndChains]

My interpretation is that she's a spirit of karma and/or luck. She bestows good fortune, but at a price. And the severity of that price when she comes to collect is reflected by how they spend their fortune. In the case of the Ushers, all of them save for Lenore squandered it on greed.

[@pabloc8808]

Verna definitely understands good and evil and would prefer it if humanity chose good. However the most interesting trait about her, I think, is that she seems to despise hypocrisy, as well as people who try to avoid consequences. This is shown when she talks to Pym, she respects his choice of facing the consequences for his actions instead of making a deal to get out of it, and she respects that he'd rather suffer than betray his own "code" of never letting anyone leverage him. It also shows when she all but openly ridicules Madeline for thinking she could alter the deal.

[@agm5424]

She's a type of cosmic being, something similar to The Endless from Dc comics. The best explanation I've read is that she's one of the beings that dwell somewhere beneath the earth, as in hollow earth, outside of time and space, a place that can only be reached from a mythical island called Ultima Thule that Poe mentioned on his poem Dreamland.

[@pabloc8808]

@@agm5424 Spot on, that's why she mentions to Arthur that she saw him, and he saw her during his expedition; The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym ends with Pym meeting an ethereal being of ambiguous nature, it's not clear whether this being is good or evil. Also, in the show Verna has a line that implies she "came up" from the bowels of the earth (I can't recall the details or who she's talking to but the essence of the line stayed in my memory)

[@FeliciaWilliams1908]

The kids not being adopted shows how selfish Roderick was knowing his whole bloodline would die before him.

[@raf3765]

he said it himself. if they were proven as his biological children they are welcome. I think it’s his way of lessening his guilt, at least he could do is share the wealth he got by selling their lives.

[@anonymousgirl4605]

"Verna" is not the devil, or necessarily evil. SPOILERS BELOW: "Verna" is an anagram for "Raven". She is the Raven entity which exists out of time and space. She's neither good, nor evil. She's not the devil. She couldn't be the devil since she essentially has a moral code and remorse for some people (Lenore and her mom, people she asked to leave at the club in episode 2, etc.). Imo, she's more like a gray character, and kind of the Angel of Death. It'd explain why she'd also know about the Ushers' potential to be poets, or dentists (Frederick).

[@pabloc8808]

In Poe's "The Raven", the narrator thinks the titular raven was sent by the Devil or some evil entity of that sort, because he believes the bird is tormenting him by replying to his every question with "nevermore". But the raven is never shown to be capable of thought, and the narrator knows what it is going to say, so in truth the narrator's torment is his own fault; he chooses what to ask the raven, knowing that he'll be hurt when the bird answers "nevermore". Similarly, Verna gave the Ushers a choice, she even says she doesn't care whether they'll do good or evil with all the power and the money in the world. She's not a tormentor, she's just the consequences of their actions

[@SM-BSW]

I like that they kept Verna's true nature ethereal but ambiguous. If they spelled out what she was, that would have ruined it for me!

[@scriptos9698]

I think “Fate” is a better descriptor for her character, she isn’t directly in control of people’s fates, but she can make deals that change them and it’s implied that she’s always able to see people’s current or potential fates.

[@JoshBou]

Ravens at one point where seen as messengers of the devil. Notice Verna didn't offer to make the deal with Roderick and his sister until after they committed the cardinal sin of murder, and mentions having to "go top-side" when talking to the Lawyer before offering him a classic deal with the Devil. Once an angel the Devil would take no joy in taking an innocent soul but would love torturing sinners. It just makes the most sense to me personally. But it's ambiguous for a reason.

[@agm5424]

She's a type of cosmic being, something similar to The Endless from Dc comics. The best explanation I've read is that she's one of the beings that dwell somewhere beneath the earth, as in hollow earth, outside of time and space, a place that can only be reached from a mythical island called Ultima Thule that Poe mentioned on his poem Dreamland.

[@jeffmartin1026]

The Haunting of Hill House is a remake of the book by Shirley Jackson. The Haunting of Bly Manor is based on works by Henry James, like he did with this series. Hopefully Mike Flannagan is leading us away from the whole "marvel universe" approach to making films. His series Midnight Mass is well worth watching.

[@kaseanballou1389]

This show was well done all the way around. The writing, directing, acting, and production. This show was amazing.

[@Kay_Hizzle]

Great reaction. Re: Verna/The Raven, Carla Gugino pretty much confirmed she's portraying a God of choice, consequence, and karma 😎

[@jmboyd65]

Hello Gents! So happy you liked my last comment! Now that I looked it up, I'm pretty convinced that Verna is Nephthys, the Egyptian Goddess of Death. The Egyptian themes run rampant through this whole series (the golden scarab, Roderick's obsession with Egyptian artifacts, Verna mentioning papyrus), and the irony of it is? Both Usher Siblings were obsessed with immortality in some form or another, and the whole time they were dealing with Death herself, Nephthis. Edit: Nephthys was sister to Isis, the Goddess of Life. Very interesting take on siblings being polar opposites, like Roderick and Madeline. Roderick is such a weak man, a submissive to her and his own vices, while Madeline is a stone cold G.

[@PhilosopherMuse]

Nephthys; I believe you may be dead on.

[@andhispalmugman6314]

I love how when Roderick reveals what he did to Madeline, Dupin is just stunned. Bro doesn’t know what to say.

[@kellifranklin9872]

I LOVE how much y’all appreciated the dialogue and all of Poe’s words and how the stories were woven with his poems and writings. You’re right. It’s brilliant! The acting was superb and this finale is one of the best I’ve ever seen on any series. I’ve enjoyed watching this with y’all. I can’t wait to see what we watch next!

[@VonPatzy]

I think it’s interesting as cold as Madeline was as a person she was always less in denial about the night at the bar. Even though it faded like a dream she never had kids and while she strove for immortality she also applied her AI tech prematurely to Lenore instead of herself. Roderick not only condemned his two actual children to an early grave over a cocktail that night he also went on to have FOUR MORE kids doomed to his poisonous money and early death. If ever there were an argument for a vasectomy.

[@masteronionnorth2341]

This is probably the best series of the year for me. Top tier. Last year was 1899. We need more original content like this.

[@AREA-jp8vb]

I love how every 10 to 20 years somebody reinvents Poe for a new generation. I hope the show gets a younger generation into reading Poe, when I was a kid I had no idea who he was until the Simpsons treehouse of horror episode aired and I was obsessed. Western movies have been taking from other cultures content for years. Some of our most famous movies are remakes of Korean and Japanese movies. And now with streaming services and the entire Internet at our fingertips we’re getting to see those original movies and they’re better than the western remakes.

[@SM-BSW]

I loved that Simpsons episode!

[@Roslins-Airlock]

Glad you loved this show too! If you like sci-fi and human drama, the reimagined Battlestar Galactica series from the early 2000s is amazing! The actress that plays current Madeline (Mary McDonnell) has a big role in it. It was my favorite of her television work, prior to Usher. Usher tops it because she was so gloriously awful and made such an impact in a short series - in 8-ish hours versus over 70+ episodes of BSG.

[@tree6787]

This was brilliantly done❤

[@chelscara]

26:40 100% agree, and great examples with both Romeo + Juliet as well as the vast swath of stories to choose from in other cultures

[@sinswept]

Personally, I don't think Verna is the devil. She seems to do these deals out of pure curiosity what lengths humanity will go to and she has mercy and is fair when she can - telling the bar staff to leave Perry's club, telling more than one of the Usher kids that they have a choice in their death and it doesn't have to be violent. And then letting Lenore know that she made an impact on the world, some good to reverse the evil her family has done, before she lets her just fall asleep. I agree like you said, Verna is ancient, but it's like she is an entity we don't even have a name for. She stands outside of reality, completely. Absolutely loved this series and I cannot wait to see whatever Flanagan makes next.

[@carlosriveraauthor]

On the topic of doing adaptations of existing work as opposed to the constant remakes, for me, it would be a dream come true if Mike Flanagan adapted my White Harbor trilogy as a miniseries. As a Costa Rican writer that, for me, would be the very TOP in the list of my dreams. I could die happy after that.

[@lovelivenic4606]

I give this show 9/10. Great show! Very symbolic. However how did Annabelle die ?

[@DavidMacDowellBlue]

I don't think she's the devil. I think she seems like some kind of angel of destiny/fate/death.

[@darcymoon2109]

This show was very, very good. How desperate we all are for good, original content.

[@MariotheJedi]

NOT ADOPTED

[@elphiegreen]

I really hope yall react to Black Cake, the first episode alone is a HOOK

[@bam55sgarage77]

She is not the devil she is fate and conseqeuce Karma if you will

[@7thangelz]

curious as to why you thought they were adopted also, she's not the devil

[@rafaelrivera9346]

Verna is not a demon or the devil. She is a God if fate, karma or death. I don’t think Christianity explain her. I think she is an old ancient God not related to Christianity.

[@idgaftrick]

The last episode is fantastic. Like this was a great series. I was a little sad when Lenore died. I don't think she deserved to die. She was the only one who had a great heart.

[@juliannehannes11]

She's the lamb that had to be slaughtered

[@Deltadivaix]

No, she absolutely had to die. Did she deserve to die no, but based on the deal Roderick struck with Verna, Lenore had to die because she is the last of his line, of his blood, his kin. Now, what would have been really interesting is if she had not died, then we would have known that the mother had an affair at some point, and she was not the seed of Frederick. But Lenore was indeed an Usher by blood.