'The fear is everywhere': Israel's fascist internal crackdown | The Marc Steiner Show

Al Aqsa Flood and its consequences are shaking Israeli society from within. While Netanyahu's government continues a brutal campaign of collective punishment against Gaza, some Israelis are questioning why their government is more committed to massacring Palestinians than effectively securing the swift release of hostages. As dissent spreads, the government is turning to fascist methods to repress those who speak out, effectively eliminating freedom of speech and arresting those who defy them. Israeli photojournalist Oren Ziv joins The Marc Steiner Show for a special discussion co-hosted with Israeli filmmaker Lia Tarachansky.
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[@sean-mi9ng]

Israel already has a beautiful plot of land. This push for settlements in the West Bank is just pure greed. Drop the greed, politics and religious extremism and just give the Palestinians their land back. If Israel did this, their reputation would skyrocket.

[@IrishEyes-ij7nf]

It's not just greed, it's a strategy... Check out Daniella Weiss, she has been a settler for many years and the objective is to prevent a Palestinian State being formed as they believe that the land of Israel extends from the Euphrates to the Nile... The New Yorker, November 11th 2023... The Extreme Ambitions of The West Bank Settlers by Isaac Chotiner...

[@joannebaughan5464]

Listen to spiral dynamics blue, will explain the mindset of evolution.

[@jaelynn7575]

I read the chart. sort of like the show The 100. Don't know that I agree with it b/c every nation and group within those nations are at different levels on that chart.@@joannebaughan5464

[@hanimazen5717]

Gazans are suffering and dying

[@trustyourgut5092]

"We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians" --Nelson Mandela

[@scotthullinger4684]

Yes, and this is precisely why Israel is leading Palestinians out of the war zone, and is making attacks on the ONLY target enemy of this war so far, meaning Hamas.

[@scotthullinger4684]

@@neuk-oy8bf - Ignorance is bliss for you people, isn't it?

[@sehadakolenovic6939]

​@@scotthullinger4684What did you mean by saying that?

[@scotthullinger4684]

@@sehadakolenovic6939 - Be specific. I've said a lot of things.

[@tayfora]

@@scotthullinger4684, ignorance??!! Oh the irony lol

[@jedgrahek1426]

I find it unfortunate that "misinformation and conspiracy theories" about Oct 7 was brought up, only in the context of an insane strawman of "it was Israeli troops who did the whole thing", which I have never heard.... while the real question that is legitimate and worth asking about Oct 7 was ignored. And that question is: Where were the Israeli troops when the attack first took place? How on earth was such a large scale attack allowed to get started at all, and go on for so long, without any opposition or even presence of the Israeli military, until hours later, until it was all over and they were already going back with hostages, and only then the Israeli military shows up. On a border that is one of the most heavily, consistently, daily defended on earth, where it is a common occurrence for Palestinian adolescents who get within 500 meters of the border fence to be shot by snipers, where all that Hamas has been capable of doing, ever, is to launch a handful of flimsy untargeted rockets that very rarely hit anything at all, how, how, how are all Israeli defensive forces suddenly utterly absent for hours, except one small border fort that was extremely undermanned compared to usual? That is the real question that must be asked. Because, in all ways, Oct 7th was a GIFT to Netanyahu. It was everything he could have ever asked for in his wildest dreams. He, and his right-wing extremist allies in high office, are the only people who benefit from such an event occurring. He had been facing many, many months of unending protest from his own people against his undemocratic, authoritarian Judiciary reforms, and also his proven corruption, his endless stay in power, his movement further towards outright fascism, his mocking of any other world leaders who were not themselves fascist authoritarians, his generally acting as a supreme authoritarian, fascist, genocidal leader who did not represent the majority of his citizens, or certainly Jews around the world in general. This event stops all of that permanently, allows him a free hand to finalize his Judiciary reforms, and permanently justifies whatever extreme military action in Gaza and the West Bank he and his extremist, fascist allies wish to carry out. Whenever something like this happens, we must always ask, who benefits? Who benefited from this event, and who had the means to shift Israeli soldiers to other positions so that the area this attack occurred would be undefended for hours, and who had access to the intelligence which would have indicated that such an attack was being planned, and when it was being planned? Are all of those the same person, the same small group of people, the same regime? This is reminiscent of the Reichstag Fire, or of NORAD standing down for the one day in its history, and not a single plane being scrambled on 9/11, for no reason that has has ever been explained or even addressed officially. Only a small group of individuals, already in power, in a far-right regime, benefited from those events, also. This is the question that must be asked. This is the question that should be OBVIOUS to any thinking person with a knowledge of history, and how right-wing regimes use attacks against themselves to justify their own much bigger objectives, which otherwise would be unjustifiable and horrifying to their citizenry. This is a clear pattern throughout human history. And it bothers me very much, that instead of asking this question or holding it up to scrutiny even, the guest instead holds up a complete absurd straw-man of a "conspiracy theory" to be obviously and rightly debunked, and then moves on, as though that puts to rest ALL questions about how the horrible events of Oct 7th were allowed to occur. That is the real question that should be asked, that should be discussed... and as always, it will not be seriously discussed, because the vast majority of people cannot handle thinking about such a horrible notion objectively. And so Netanyahu gets everything he could have ever dreamed of, and gets to wage a genocidal campaign against the Palestinians without any question or objection allowed, just as he has always wanted to do... right at the moment when the protests of his own people against him was at its greatest, against any Israeli leader in modern history. No one will ask the question, because it is too horrifying to think about seriously for everyone. And this is how fascists get their way, time after time, throughout history. Who knows, maybe it was all a coincidence. But my god the question should be asked at least.

[@IrishEyes-ij7nf]

Of course, you are right, but nobody will ask Netanyahu these questions when he is being interviewed... Brett Weinstein interviewed the Israeli journalist Efrat Fenigson immediately after the attack and they pondered these questions and she said that already there was a crackdown on any of these questions being asked within Israel...

[@elpirata2685]

It is not certain Netanyahu can survive this, nor indeed the state of Israel. That may be a miscalculation. But he was a desperate man, needing to stay in power to remain out of jail. Encouraged by Smotrich and Ben Gvir, it is very probable that the events of October 7th were indeed the excuse Netanyahu was waiting for to speed up the nakba. One result though is that the IDF looks amateur and Mossad stupid. Hamas' aim was likely to provoke an intifada from Palestinians in West Bank, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria. Both have failed in their objectives. Meanwhile, the world is no longer silent to the suffering. Can the people turn their governments into action?

[@katiekane5247]

Very well written, my thoughts as well. Any time there's a significant security lapse, questions arise as to agenda.

[@theresabarzee1463]

A "gift" of Bibi & his colleagues in crime. Not at all unlike Geo.W.B & his waiting out of 9/11 in an elementary school, until after. Long after...interesting playbooks these bedfellows share.

[@terrygerych7327]

lots of credible evidence has shown 9/11 to be an 'inside job'. will the same come to light regarding israel's 9/11, 10/7?

[@JoseyWales93]

Dr Yeshayahu Leibowitz, who was one of the greatest israeli intellectual of the 20th century, said it in the 1980s (or even earlier) : if we do not get rid of the occupied territories Israel will become a fascist state and I'm not sure it will survive.

[@joecasey7415]

It was from Day One in 1948

[@SydBarrett-Waters]

and now its dead

[@hamasmillitant1]

isreal has been a capitalist apartheid state for my entire life & my kids old enough to be shocked by whats happening in gaza today fascism is the marriage of corporate & state power according to doctrine of fascism i think every western nation bar iceland is technically a fascist state atm

[@hamasmillitant1]

the way i judge a fascist nation today is basically if their bankers get charged for fraud or not and after 2008 only iceland jailed any bankers so to me every western state has a marriage of corporate & state power/is fascist since ATLEAST 2008 in most cases decades before that

[@the.apocaloptimist]

What do you/did he mean by "get rid of"? the occupied territories

[@joel2582]

The Egyptian Gov't, Sisi, warned Israel about Hamas' activity prior to Oct. 7th. Netanyahu knew & let it happen.

[@timbookedtwo2375]

Netanyahu wanted an excuse to do more than "mow the grass" this time. He and his crazy people want to kill everyone!

[@user-wz7eq2qz3c]

Let it happen?No Enabled financed and orchestrated it

[@lynoxberry1507]

​@user-wz7eq2qz3c Absolutely! No-one will ever convince me that Netanyahu was 'taken by surprise'. It was a 'Pearl Harbour' repeat. It was planned to give the Israeli gov't a pretence to wipe out the Palestinians. Something they've openly admitted they want.

[@thedragonflygate4587]

Netanyahu was waving a map of the 'New Middle East' around at the UN 3 weeks before the Oct 7th attack--on which Gaza was already eliminated!

[@evangel1737]

The reasons for ignoring this becomes evident with each passing day. Although Hamas did break out from behind the oppressive wall and those caught in the crossfire is awful 😣 The response from Israel 🇮🇱 and the complete annihilation of the Palestinian people is overkill and frightening for every free minded individual. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck Then people It’s a Duck 🦆 and you should believe your gut.

[@patrickleslie9324]

you keep saying "civilians". "innocent civilians". Can you forcibly displace someone from their home and subject them to ethnic cleansing and be called an "innocent civilian"? do you not see how that language is pro-colonial discourse?

[@coffee6783]

Every Israeli 18 how and older is IDF, those Kibbutzim on the Gaza border are military posts, watchtowers over Gaza!

[@profilingmanipulation]

Yes..

[@rubiyaparvin]

Actually they live in a bubble filled with Israeli propaganda. Most of them don't know the reality of the Palestinians and they're even fed non sense rosy stories about the creation of Israel. However they were not the military, and all civilians are considered innocent in war. It's not about who supports what, it's about whether they had a weapon or not. It's the same logic that applies for the Palestinians too. Though Hamas is their representative, they didn't carry weapons and fight, so they're civilians and innocent

[@bartholomewrichards1663]

Procolonial discourse!some pretty big leftwing buzzwords there!surprised you didn t include global warming.

[@AhmadAlAjeel]

​@@rubiyaparvinif isrealis have to join IDF at 18 and have military training they are not military? They are not a risk? The only REAL innocents are under 18 because they are children and they also have no military training, and the elderly above 51, i think 51 is maximum age even for reserves. So in reality, between 18 and 51 in isreal isrealis are legally and ARE military and soldiers. These are the ages that hamas and palastinians typically see as military threats, they are not classified as innocent between these ages, they are still active duty or reserve duty, between 18 and 51.

[@kateoneal4215]

The parallels to 9-11 are GLARING. Were both governments "asleep" or were both "catastrophies" inside jobs?

[@MegaEllemae]

The governments took a nap so that the catastrophies could take place.

[@kateoneal4215]

@@MegaEllemae You're describing "facilitation," complicity, at minimum.

[@snc8537]

😳 omg! ….the implications if it can be proved? Given the level of psychopathy in decision making and intensity of censorship both may well be true.😔

[@TorMax9]

A manufactured excuse.

[@stigmatafan09]

Thank you. I've been telling people over and over this is so similar to 9/11 and the following war, it's playing out the same way. The war that started right after wasn't even really about fighting terror, it was retaliation and a power grab. The battle taking place in Gaza isn't a war against Hamas, it's a retaliation. It it was war only Hamas would be targeted, Israel is targeting civilians too. The US referred to civilians killed during the war on terror as collateral damage, Netanyahu is calling the death of Palestinian civilians collateral damage

[@JoshuaHoward-dq4tv]

interview with Yasmin Porat, the Kibbutz Be’eri survivor who told Israeli radio that Israeli security forces “undoubtedly” killed a large number of their own civilians following the Hamas assault on 7 October.

[@fan.80s_90s]

I remember that it was on a radio show, and she told the radio host that she'd witnessed the army shooting at hostages.

[@kaizokud42]

You can search the vid hamas disguised as IDF on oct 7

[@elisabetesuzana]

I read on Haaretz multiple reports of survivors and army officials confirming this. We have to wait for an investigation to ascertain the number and scale of this.

[@fan.80s_90s]

@elisabetesuzana let ICJ and UN investigate this. This amounts to war crimes when the apartheid regime kills its own citizens. Never allow the apartheid regime to investigate as they will destroy all evidence and, worse, indulge in criminal intimidation with the help of the Americans.

[@houdiniwho]

@@elisabetesuzana It will happen 10 years from now, buried on a back page of our state sponsored media

[@amellife3804]

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸❤❤❤

[@reuvenpolonskiy2544]

IDF is now freeing Palestine, with Allah's help.

[@W1ZY]

You're under arrest! 😘

[@rapier1954]

The authorities weren't ready because they had shifted personnel to guard and help the settlers illegally seizing land in the West Bank.

[@IrishEyes-ij7nf]

The Gaza Division was moved to a Palestinian village called Hawara to protect the Israeli finance minister Bezalel Smotrich who is a settler and believes Hawara should be 'erased' On the 50th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War! The Israeli families on the border were left for 5 hours without anyone coming to help them... Incompetence? Conspiracy?

[@carlmagnussen7773]

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.“Abraham is our father,” they answered. “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do what Abraham did. As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. You are doing the works of your own father.” “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.” Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires.

[@terrific804]

As if to think the IDF isn't meeting it's recruiting needs and is under manned?😂

[@StephenGrover-zc4hp]

All of a sudden everybody is an expert on Israel. Too bad they don't read before they react

[@62halee]

Is anyone checking on Ahed Tamimi the popular young female Palestinian activist? Word has it she's imprisoned and being tortured by the Israel Occupation Force.

[@fredflinstone6601]

God help her

[@Monkismo]

Gazans are suffering and dying, and people can't even be bothered to click "like" on a KZbin video. It's a funny old world....

[@Madonnalitta1]

The years of TV have done the trick, people are desensitised to suffering because we see it all the time.

[@Monkismo]

@Madonnalitta1 I know what you mean, but on the other hand, people used to watch lynchings, executions and animal torture for entertainment, so we can't blame TV for all of it....

[@dragonmyballsz268]

do u mean the like on this video? cant rely on em algorithm, YT could shadowband video amd cut the like into half

[@ElianaChinea]

It’s very interesting to hear a journalists perspective from inside Israel that wasn’t Zionist. We don’t hear much about resistance so it’s great to hear there is some happening against the occupation even if it’s small and a minority.

[@theresabarzee1463]

On protest marches it is not a small minority in u.s., many jewish people know genocide is not what anyone wants or needs. We support and love them too. Please know The Grayzone News is doing huge, important reporting! Journalistic integrity, movies, showing what is going on, pressuring our sociopath senators (see Aaron Mate's quest of Coons on amtrak) & all powerful elites who block ceasefire. Get into the streets. Quit paying taxes until this stops. No $ for killers.

[@gregoryallen0001]

lots of idf soldiers too 👁️

[@W1ZY]

Research more on social media. The Real Network News on KZbin is good. And of course Al Jazeera has 24/7 coverage.

[@jocelynandrade5220]

😢Netanyahu knew😮

[@arnystieber732]

I question the use of the word war. Can there be a war when one side has an army, navy, air force,nuclear weapons and unlimited financial/political support from the U.S. while the other side has none of these?

[@W1ZY]

Exactly. Legally, it is not a war because _Gaza is not a nation-state._

[@stephencunningham6557]

I cant justify the violence, but are you entirely innocent dancing on occupied land 1.5 km from a concentration camp?

[@coffee6783]

Every Israeli aged 18 and over is IDF. The Kibbutz near Gaza are military posts there to patrol Gaza - they are all active IDF!

[@babanamkevalamhpmgl]

I am glad you are mentioning it. I also wondered were they so oblivious or were taunting...

[@Mud_AleX]

"If you should go skating On the thin ice of modern life Dragging behind you the silent reproach Of a million tear-stained eyes Don't be surprised when a crack in the ice Appears under your feet. You slip out of your depth and out of your mind With your fear flowing out behind you As you claw the thin ice." -Roger Waters

[@katiekane5247]

​@@Mud_AleXexcellent citation!

[@katiekane5247]

​@@babanamkevalamhpmglmoved closer to the border less than 48° before the event, seems like a set up all around. Rave on a high holy day?

[@Feisal13]

We have lived for centuries together with respect and harmony as pure civilians, on the contrary we offered Jews food and shelters when they were prosecuted by different Christian regimes cross middle ages Europe and Asia. Things has changed when the Zions came with (1947) and wanted everything for themselves.

[@the.apocaloptimist]

Yes, the West claims they "liberated" you from the Ottoman empire in WW2, but I have read recently that the Ottomans were very benevolent rulers who allowed you quite a lot of self rule, and cultural and religious freedom. Is that true? I can see how "liberating" you could've been a false justification for clearing the way for Zionist settlement of Palestine

[@fredflinstone6601]

Yup, a waste of time

[@houdiniwho]

It was created in 1897 by a group of white Europeans, who met in Switzerland.

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@houdiniwhoyes, white Jews.

[@deborahdean8867]

@@houdiniwho no, it was a Jewish guy who formed Zionism. In 1897, but Christian zionism even began to form in 1800 with the development of the dispensationalism idea.

[@bigdog44pc]

Just to let you know, before October 7th, I don't think most people were aware of what was happening within the Jewish community between non-zionist and zionust. The ignorance of the Jewish community could be dangerous to the Jewish people because non Jewish people could come up with the wrong idea about Jewish people. Every group of people has a diversity of personalities, political opinions, etc. There are no monoliths of people.

[@bestcongressmoneycanbuy9704]

"There are no monoliths of people." Well said. Even under Nazi rule, there were plenty of anti-Nazi German citizens.

[@1Deep43VA]

I agree. And I know that, but I think it’s how the brain works. I’ve seen so many Zionists/Israeli and Zionists skewed perspectives being displayed everywhere, from the Mainstream Media to the Ben Shapiros and then the majority of the comment sections of such videos…. That when you start responding, you start making more and more general statements. You start to forget that not every Israeli feels this way. And I know that logically. It just takes a comment like this to make you slow down and recognize it logically. This is only my experience btw… I can’t speak for everyone. It is scary.

[@IrishEyes-ij7nf]

Bravo, well said... Brilliant, nuanced interview... A perspective that we are not hearing enough of... I've shared this video and followed Oren... This fascism is coming for us all... My thoughts are with the people of Gaza and Israel✌

[@seeibe]

You mean outside Israel, right? If you look at the polls in Israel, 97% of the "diversity" is happening within the fascist area of the political spectrum.

[@coffee6783]

I don't view Zionists as Jews, but rather Eastern European Fascists!

[@gay_spiritual]

It doesn't matter what it's labeled, what's wrong is wrong, and calling out acts of atrocities is not hateful, it's called accountability and international law.

[@huwpatt3817]

It must be very difficult for anyone to tell the truth... thanks. There are proven lies & possible lies... the "babies" claims were the worst... these halfmen will never live that down

[@Madonnalitta1]

It's an old trick. They told my parents in WWII that the evil Germans were putting explosives and nasty chemicals in children's toys, which they sold to Allied countries. All nonsense of course.

[@EZ_EMPIRE]

כך כפי שהדמות המושלמת של האלון נמצאת בגדל האקורן, התבנית האלוהית של חייו נמצאת במוח העל-מודע של האדם. • בתכנון האלוהי אין הגבלה, רק בריאות, עושר, אהבה והבטוי המושלם של עצמו. ולכן ישנה בחירה אלוהית תמיד בנתיבו של האדם. יום יומו הוא חייב לחיות על פי תוכנית האלוהים או לחוות תגובות בלתי מאושרות. לדוגמה: אישה עברה לדירה חדשה שכמעט הכניסה, כאשר הרעיון התחיל לגעת בה: “בצד ההוא של החדר צריך לעמוד ארון סיני!” - לא הרבה אחרי זה, היא עברה מחמד וראתה בחנות עתיקות. היא הסתכלה ושם עמד ארון סיני נפלא בגובה של כשמטר, מחוקק למדי. היא נכנסה ושאלה על המחיר. המוכר אמר שהוא שווה אלף דולר אך האישה שבעלתו מוכנה לקחת פחות. האיש הוסיף: “מה תציעי עליו?” האישה השהתה והמחיר “מאתיים דולר” וכך השיבה: “מאתיים דולר.” האיש אמר שידע לה אם ההצעה היא מקובלת. היא לא רצתה להונות על אף אחד או לקבל משהו שאינו באמת שלה, ולכן בדרכה הביתה היא אמרה פעמים רבות: “אם זה שלי: אני לא יכולה לאבד אותו, ואם זה לא שלי, אני לא רוצה אותו.” היה יום שלג והיא אמרה שהיא הדגישה את המילים שלה על ידי דחיפת השלג מימין לשמאל, מנקה נתיב לדירתה. עברו מספר ימים והיא נודע לה שהאישה מוכנה למכור את הארון במחיר של מאתיים דולר. יש אצלנו אספקה לכל דרישה, מארונות סיניים ועד מיליוני דולרים. “טרם תקראי ואני אענה”, אך אלא אם זו המטרה הנבחרת באופן אלוהי או מיליונים, הם לא יביאו אושר. “אם לא יהוה בנה את הבית, שוא עמלו בו” (תהילים 127:1).

[@yasminachaouch-ramdane4561]

not " 2 armies clashing " ! one army and a militia

[@Altanmarko1]

One huge army and a light infantry brigade..

[@why-wk3fx]

Pales... People & Children Losing There Life, Land & Existence📣😢

[@katiekane5247]

The number games continue. The other day, every channel showed 4.2k likes on main screen. Today, the last 3 videos I've viewed have shown 65 likes. The platform likes it's games. It also likes deleting comments and dissenting voices. We just want peace, we'd like transparency but that's a big ask apparently. The MSM coverage is positively putrid. Thanks for being an alternative TRNN

[@j.s.c.4355]

One thing that continues to confuse and offend me is that that music festival was happening so close to Gaza. No, civilians should not be targeted, but is it normal for Israeli youth to throw parties just outside the walls?

[@elissalipman6600]

an israeli woman confirmed that the music festival at the last minute was moved there it was supposed to be elsewere futher from gaza which is suspicious to say the least

[@GrumpX]

I believe the Max Blumenthal analysis of the Hamas attack and the signs of tanks and hellfire missiles being used.

[@stephencunningham6557]

So do I. Hannibal Directive

[@coffee6783]

As do I! Max and Scott Ritter are usually spot on! 👍

[@constantquestioning4010]

@@contact594 Clear what your agenda is

[@tonyprice2256]

@@contact594 To answer your question, it was reported by a few of the Israeli survivors.

[@tonyprice2256]

@@contact594 I saw three different videos with three different Israelis supposedly.

[@dadchuk]

Haven’t seen Lia Tarachansky’s documentary, ‘On the Side of the Road,’ but I will check it out. And might I add a recommendation of my own: Max Blumenthal’s documentary entitled, ‘Killing Gaza.’ Thank you!

[@carlosdantas4622]

Thank you very much for sharing this.

[@JeanineH]

@dadchuk Thank You sooo much for the secondary recommendation to watch.. 🙏🏽.

[@ullebor]

See also the documentary, Tantura Massacre.

[@NaderNabilart]

Great conversation! Thank you all. Is it true that the journalists must obtain permissions from the Israeli government to cover security-related stories, and will be denied access if they don't obtain that permission? How does that work with press freedom?

[@W1ZY]

Yes. They can also be arrested if they post pro-Palestinian sympathies on social media, as is true for all Israeli inhabitants.

[@healy-rw9tk]

Fascism Nazism zionism no difference

[@1Deep43VA]

Well, I will just say this, concerning myself, I never thought for 1) That it never happened and 2) That the majority of the civilians killed where by the IDF. Last I checked, there were 900 confirmed kills. Witnesses talked about cars burning, houses destroyed and we know that Israel bombed their own base that had people in it… I thought, logically, that of the 900 killed, 50-100 where from friendly fire and/or bomb/tank shelling from the IDF. I based that off of Max Blumenthal’s report that the IDF had killed its own civilians, but the number is my own logical conclusion. And I could be wrong. I’m not afraid to admit that.

[@abram730]

Over 500 military personnel were killed. Israeli special forces took heavy losses. So 400 civilians. There are videos of militants with white head bands shooting civilians, and reports that unaffiliated youth were beating and robbing hostages. Hamas has green headbands and IJ uses black ones. It is known that Israeli troops killed a lot of Israeli citizens. The IDF used the Hannibal Doctrine. That is that to avoid Israeli hostages they are targeted and continue to be until all hostage takers are dead. Israeli survivors have talked about the slaughter. Scott Ritter(author, international relations analyst, former USMC intelligence officer, former United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) weapons inspector), said 80% of civilians were likely killed by Israeli forces, but I'm not sure of the percent. He also said that most of the deaths at the music festival were caused by a cross fire between Hamas and Israeli forces, including Apache gunships.

[@W1ZY]

Blumenthal's inteview is up on The Real News Network on KZbin right now

[@dragonmyballsz268]

it went down again? or are we talking about different case? i feel like they change it from 1400 to 1200 then 900 now

[@1Deep43VA]

@@dragonmyballsz268 No, same attack. I was told that they have only confirmed 900 dead in some of the reports I read. That’s not say they’re aren’t more, but it certainly isn’t the 1,400 they keep touting.

[@W1ZY]

@@dragonmyballsz268 900 civilian and 250+ military.

[@geertdecoster5301]

In times of danger and difficulty I say that people who bring a peaceful alternative message are the ones to protect. God bless!

[@chrisstokie2361]

Why did the most security conscious country in the world allow this to happen? Who benefits?

[@Deez80085]

Lia presupposes the answer to her question by calling the Israelis killing of their own citizens a "conspiracy theory.". Orens admits it happened and he saw it. So, Lia, is Oren a conspiracy theorist?

[@IrishEyes-ij7nf]

Forget about the conspiracy theory question and concentrate on the fascism...

[@christianblattler6518]

Hearing all the facts I am wonderimg what the differences between Israel's actual government and Nazi Germany is? Please only honest comments, I really asking myself

[@Atmost11]

My honest comment is, it is not a serious comparison. A better comparison would be to compare it with George Bush, who let a terrorist attack happen against his own people to get his 2nd pearl harbor to get his war based on lies, who probably under-estimated how big of an attack he was letting happen, who then tried very hard to use the momentum of that war to chip away at our values, traditions, and freedoms, demonized anti-war protesters as traitors, started a torture program, and tried to turn the US justice department into his own personal political revenge department.

[@samara6041]

No difference.

[@MusicInContext7]

Amazing show, Marc. Thank you. Would it be possible to get data about the political inclinations of the Israeli civilians who died on 10/7? I have the impression that many who lived just outside the Gaza border were left-leaning opponents of Netanyahu’s government. If there was a preponderance of those Bibi perceived as political enemies living there and possibly attending the rave, might the delayed response to the invasion have served a dual purpose, eliminating enemies while allowing a degree of destruction that would then justify a brutal counter-reaction? How else can we account for the shocking lapse in security that allowed Hamas to penetrate Israel’s state-of-the-art technological armor that fateful day.

[@Atmost11]

Surely it will be discovered that Netanyahu let the 10 7 attack happen, probably underestimated how bad it would be, and did it to protect his own power. It is just like Bush. Bush was in over his head in his first 9 months. Bush was helping Ken Lay of Enron, loot old ladies in California. Bush let 911 happen. First and foremost I cite as evidence, the fact that Bush tried very hard to obstruct any investigation into 911. Secondly, the Project for a New American Century document with its implied hope and desire for a 2nd pearl harbor. Third, Bushs close relationship with the Bin Laden family. Etc. I will not lay it all out but you know what I mean.

[@miriamlandau1207]

First thing I thought was that Israel wasn't taken by surprise on 10/7 because they have people everywhere who give them intel! Their annual budget for their intelligence agency is over $3 Billion. And they are known to be one of the top intelligence agencies in the world! What happened was strategic on the part of Israel and I am saying that as an American Jewish person. But I know what they are capable of as well as what our country is capable of. Their intelligence like ours NEVER sleeps! The biggest mistake is to believe that a country wouldn't kill their own people to create a situation they can take advantage of to do something else for their financial gain. It's an OLD strategy.

[@W1ZY]

Correct. The hostages might have witnessed the massacre of civilians in the Kibutzes by IDF as per its "Hannabal Protocol", which would explain why Netanyahu does not place their release as a high priority,

[@hanahusen4971]

ماذا كان يفعل المستوطنون في سبعة اكتوبر ، في منطقة هي اصلا تخضع للفلسطينيين حسب القرارات الدولية ،، لقد كانوا في حفلة يرقصون بعد طرد اصحابها منها طبعا ،، على ماذا يرقصون ؟ على آلام واوجاع الفلسطيني😢

[@CBT5777]

Kali ma! Kali ma! Soon Kali will rule the world.

[@helengabr5743]

I am new to your channel and really enjoy the discussion about the middle East, Gaza etc. So many channels talk about it but your guests have real understanding. Very insightful. Thank you! ❤

[@jamesalec1321]

Insouciant people talk about Oct 7th, yet ignore Oct 6th, the day before, when drones from US/Israeli backed rebels killed over 100 men, women and children at a graduation ceremony at a college in Syria. The US and Israel have no qualms on conducting genocide. In America there were 60 million Native Americans, and the US government killed them so there was only about 800,000 left. Tore the children from their parents arms, forbade them to speak their language, and then brought in missionaries to 'teach them about Jesus'. Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce tribe read about Jesus. His tribe was decimated by US soldiers. He said 'Jesus could very well by my brother, but if what you (the US gov) did to my people is what you call Christianity, I will have no part of it'.

[@lizm4580]

Like Ukraine no journalist's allowed to "in" to cover these extremely important situations..it is very convenient in covering up the truth!!

[@ullebor]

The IDF has been doing media propaganda since the massacres in 1948.

[@toni-xz6dd]

Whole world united in solidarity to save Palestine. We won't give up. We cannot fail as humanity.

[@RobinHerzig]

really appreciate these kinds of conversations 👏 gives us much more context

[@susanmcdonald9088]

Thank you. The search for truth is admirable. And risky. But you give me hope.

[@michaelidarecis]

Fact the supernova concert had mostly IDF soldiers attending. How do you call them civilians?

[@johnny99497]

I read that around 200 of the killed were IDF. Most kibbutz settlers are trained soldiers and have arms so they were not civilians either. Retaliating IDF killed 1500 terrorists but there was also sizeable collateral damage caused by the shelling. I believe that maybe around 500 actual civilians were killed by Hamas during the attack. The official figures are not public.

[@lucifer0001]

False flag by any chance?

[@mmaximk]

Thank you for all the insight and compassion.

[@SOMEONEWHOCARES114]

#LETTHEPRESSINTOGAZA #SHOWTHETRUTH

[@0150Tricia]

Thanks you for this coverage.

[@kiranbarrow4648]

Its hard to hear what the Palestinians have to gk through

[@ALeon-od3wu]

Lia is absolutely right about the solution. Great interview.

[@vickiecar100]

Amazingly informative reporting. Thank you so, so much.

[@aieshahuss1282]

❤ fantastic discussion 👌

[@genevievefraser7402]

Thank you for an excellent talk.

[@moonmaidrainbow]

Thank you all so much for sharing this very valuable perspective! Godspeed!

[@brahimsiali2602]

We have a live model for the solution in istrael the solution is the Model of Algeria independence it is easy and simple just have courage to implement this model. Colonisation is wrong and lead to blood shed between the two sides.

[@michellenorris8471]

Headline 14th May 2021:- 'Israel under the administration of Netanyahu killed more civilians in Gaza IN THE LAST 24 HOURS than Hamas has killed by rocket fire IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.' Source:- Novara Media on KZbin.

[@JR-kk6ce]

I have heard from friends that thousands of Israelis have decided to leave Israel and live elsewhere. If I were living in Israel, especially with children, I would do the same. The invitation still stands - please, pack you bags and come to the U.S. Here you will be welcomed with open arms. Here you can live in safety and your children can focus on what is important - being the best human beings that they can be. If you are IDF, come too.

[@sababilkiss3771]

If you invite IDF, it means you support zionists.

[@lani2894]

Before, you invite those people here do research on their ideology. They’ve been Program since birth to believe that they are the chosen ones. Please we have enough problems in America. And trust me None of those people work. You’re taxpayer money is providing for them. Why would they come to America where we get up everyday to make a living.

[@reuvenpolonskiy2544]

Thank you for you invatation, but unfortunatly America does not longer seems as a safer place for Jews. In Israel, campus and political anti-semitism is not as strong.

[@chris-terrell-liveactive]

A very informative and interesting discussion, thank you.

[@welcometosemeticpalestine]

Scott Ritter, "Israeli military killed 80% Israeli of civilians on October 7 after Hamas waited 6 hours for them to show up." Several kibbutz survivors corroborate this. Also many journalists have already covered this fact.

[@shutupavi]

Source?

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@shutupavi he gave you the source, and a direct quote. If you really wanted to know, then you'd find out or does mummy still wipe your nose for you?

[@shutupavi]

@@Madonnalitta1 as someone who’s been following Ritter closely for a couple years now. I can tell you he’s not a source of anything

[@reuvenpolonskiy2544]

LOL Imagine quoting Scott Ritter as a source for anything. 🤡

[@ExtrovertedCenobite]

@@reuvenpolonskiy2544 Scott Ritter has been on point on the Ukraine war and the Israeli Apartheid State. He has been on point and truthful. If you have any proof of your insinuation go ahead and present the facts!

[@safiul1930]

When 9/11 happened, airplane hit and burned into the twin towers but the passport of the attacker was found intact on the ground? Plane, humans all burned but a pepper made passport survived and found on the ground real quick .!! Any explanation?

[@elissalipman6600]

it was staged to put people in fear of "terrorism" but frankly it was an inside job

[@LisaKing-ve8py]

It's just nuts and people actually fell for that. I read recently that relatives of people who died are wanting more answers. I remember the dancing israelis just down the road on top of a van taking pictures. They were arrested and held for a few days until realised

[@keytothegate68]

Today they tried to sell a car accident that happened on Int' border between Canada and U.S. near Niagara Falls as possible- pending terrorist attack. They intentionally did not want to say anything more than that a car exploded on the bridge. They promptly closed the border AND the Buffalo airport due to that car crash. About a day later they said they are "investigating speed as a factor in that car crash" It was probably a car battery explosion after the crash or a driver lost control due to wintery conditions and the car gas tank caught fire. However, they kept the suspense by not disclosing what happened and wanted to lead the people to think that this was maybe a terrorist attack. No doubt for most of the day that is what many people feared happened.

[@NaIm204]

It seems to me that the lesson we have failed to learn as humans despite warning in every major and many minor religion and humanitarian movements is: The moment you accept for your brother (in humanity) what you would not for yourself you have in truth accepted it for yourself.

[@jimh527]

Clearly, the mission of Hamas was to capture and transport civilian hostages back to Gaza. Obviously, there were hostages killed by Israeli fire. This is common sense from a rudimentary evaluation of the circumstances.

[@maureennewman905]

Exactly ,why is this question being completely ignored , no one getting any explanation.I find this very strange , they have no answer

[@mdog111]

Thank you for this Mark. Please do a regular update with journalists based inside Israel. I follow +972 but they seem to have rolled back on their output since October 7th and unsurprisingly, B'tselem seem have stopped uploading videos completely. So any independent voices from within Israel would be greatly appreciated, no matter how dark their assessments are.

[@ajmerikhatun3242]

I l❤ve Philistine peoples 🙏🙏😭😭😭❤❤

[@roberttony001]

I bet a lot of Jews are deeply regretting moving to Israel and are now looking to cash out and move back ti where they came from.

[@Mrgreen2558]

Over 800k have left after oct7 , they will not come back forever

[@gregoryallen0001]

valuable context ty ❤

[@scotthullinger4684]

Hmm, "Hannibal Directive"? Whose words are those? Maybe those of an aggressive nation which demonstrates active constant hostility?

[@edwardallan197]

Thank you.....

[@vickiecar100]

Thanks!

[@therealnews]

We appreciate your support!

[@marievarenya7817]

Excellent interview

[@lervish1966]

Israel showing us the way forward.

[@dinulislam79]

People who only focus on the world are weak people. But those who continuously remember God, they are strong people indeed 🇪🇭

[@CBT5777]

Worship Kali. Kali ma! Kali ma! Soon Kali will rule the world.

[@Madonnalitta1]

​@@CBT5777she's only one aspect. Why does Kali destroy? So Shiva may create.

[@Papawcanner]

Which god are you referring to ?

[@bedewimebrouk]

netanyahou by manipulating yoav and macron to pass this brutality kills sionist dream forever and the dangerous thing is killing ukraine revolution. zelinski now is alone because of genosides of netanyahou against gaza, now he will face la haye court....

[@user-ry7hx1mg6q]

Yes that is real talk.

[@Deez80085]

Lia said Israel has an "alt right" government. I love it !! ❤❤❤

[@philipzaccheus8398]

Informative information for knowledge seekers listening is an ASSET needed for real knowledge of NARRATIVES for actual happenings for lasting conclusions

[@farydeneme4716]

#PALESTINA, LIBRE DEL MAR AL RÍO!🇵🇸🕊

[@gudubenben]

Thanks

[@therealnews]

Thank you for your donation!!

[@mickbirley7817]

Theres talk of an international peace floatiler of boats has anyone heard the same?

[@DavidHenderson-ix7fl]

Fear is the key and the door is open .

[@merfymac]

The question about misinformation led to answers that were vague, partisan, anti-journalistic, and clumsy.

[@merfymac]

Oh, and civilians dead in Israel by Hamas versus civilians dead in Gaza aren’t analagous. Hamas had its shock one day attack. IDF has no limit, no need for surprise attacks. Because Hamas is a bunch of paramilitary prisoners breaking out of jail. IDF is a professional full-time military (NOT caged) waging war on civilians in a concentration camp.

[@rokib8681]

🇵🇸 ❤

[@Octoberfurst]

Great commentary!

[@EZ_EMPIRE]

כך כפי שהדמות המושלמת של האלון נמצאת בגדל האקורן, התבנית האלוהית של חייו נמצאת במוח העל-מודע של האדם. • בתכנון האלוהי אין הגבלה, רק בריאות, עושר, אהבה והבטוי המושלם של עצמו. ולכן ישנה בחירה אלוהית תמיד בנתיבו של האדם. יום יומו הוא חייב לחיות על פי תוכנית האלוהים או לחוות תגובות בלתי מאושרות. לדוגמה: אישה עברה לדירה חדשה שכמעט הכניסה, כאשר הרעיון התחיל לגעת בה: “בצד ההוא של החדר צריך לעמוד ארון סיני!” - לא הרבה אחרי זה, היא עברה מחמד וראתה בחנות עתיקות. היא הסתכלה ושם עמד ארון סיני נפלא בגובה של כשמטר, מחוקק למדי. היא נכנסה ושאלה על המחיר. המוכר אמר שהוא שווה אלף דולר אך האישה שבעלתו מוכנה לקחת פחות. האיש הוסיף: “מה תציעי עליו?” האישה השהתה והמחיר “מאתיים דולר” וכך השיבה: “מאתיים דולר.” האיש אמר שידע לה אם ההצעה היא מקובלת. היא לא רצתה להונות על אף אחד או לקבל משהו שאינו באמת שלה, ולכן בדרכה הביתה היא אמרה פעמים רבות: “אם זה שלי: אני לא יכולה לאבד אותו, ואם זה לא שלי, אני לא רוצה אותו.” היה יום שלג והיא אמרה שהיא הדגישה את המילים שלה על ידי דחיפת השלג מימין לשמאל, מנקה נתיב לדירתה. עברו מספר ימים והיא נודע לה שהאישה מוכנה למכור את הארון במחיר של מאתיים דולר. יש אצלנו אספקה לכל דרישה, מארונות סיניים ועד מיליוני דולרים. “טרם תקראי ואני אענה”, אך אלא אם זו המטרה הנבחרת באופן אלוהי או מיליונים, הם לא יביאו אושר. “אם לא יהוה בנה את הבית, שוא עמלו בו” (תהילים 127:1).

[@jounitaipale8572]

A bin Laden was a real University of Civil Engineering program in Civil Engineering who passed Education in civil engineering from his cave in Afghanistan. Don't forget buildings building 7

[@bambamkitring6666]

In regards condemning the genocide in Gaza, Indonesia's Muslim council already cancel halal lable for the products and company whom support Israel for the citizen to cancel buying the products..

[@LanceLovett]

I give you credit that at least you are not pretending to be an unbiased news outlet. Thank you for being honest.

[@RasenieReggieBless717]

😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@Nvr4getIsrael9StolePalestine]

Free free Palestine!

[@brek5]

With all the frustration of studying this subject a few decades ago, I pretty much gave up following it, so I can't remember all the minute grievances over the years, but I do know the main things and remember quite a lot of the many books I read and lectures, etc., but now that this wound has opened again, I have a question. Interestingly, the interviewee mentioned a right-wing settler type who talked about clearing out Gaza and moving the Palestenians out, but why would a certain version of that not be an option? By all accounts, Gaza is a hell hole, and the West Bank, fraught as it is, seems somewhat functional. Now, you could clear out Gaza, reapportion a part of Israel right next to the West Bank to the Gaza refugees. Remove all Israeli settlers in the contested settlements near and around the West Bank, and give them land grants in Gaza or elsewhere, integrating Gaza into the state of Israel, but with an equal amount of land turned over to the West Bank under the auspices of the Palestinian Authority with more autonomy than it currently enjoys. Take a strong stance against any further Israeli settlements and work towards the stabilization of the West bank as an independent Palestine. I write this from a position of having spent a lot of time reading about this issue many years ago but giving up hope, and I don't mean this comment as a partisan one. However, it seems like it is time for some creative thinking about how to arrive at a solution unless these people (all involved) want to continue living amidst this chaos.

[@W1ZY]

BECAUSE OF THE OIL AND GAS RESERVES UNDER GAZA AND ITS COASTAL WATERS, WORTH AN ESTIMATED 1/2 TRILLION DOLLARS. Google.

[@brek5]

@@W1ZY But surely the Israelis are exploting that already or are making moves towards it. They control the sea around there, so don't see anything stopping them even just sticking with the status quo, so that doesn't really answer anything.

[@W1ZY]

@@jimcarlson1858 Thank you!

[@W1ZY]

@@jimcarlson1858 Damn. Definitely worth a coffee if we were locals. Ham radio wouold be even better--a conversation like that (on SSB) would attract a lot of attention!HA! I heard the strike at the pentagon targeted the Naval Intelligence side of the building. Comments? Also, the night before 911, I was in NY and the matre 'D of an upscale East Side restaurant (Elio's, offshoot of Elane's) went beserk after work. He was a Swiss guy. Called at 3 AM. Me and a buddy had to go to his apartment and calm him down. He kept saying "the wrong people were seating themselves with one another". In other words, Big Wigs were playing musical chairs at the elite tables towards the front of the place. He said something BIG was going down. We got him to sleep around 6 AM.... When he woke later in the afternoon, he had a nervous breakdown.

[@captaindookey]

Now that's ironic

[@robertrichard6107]

Dancing Israelis🍉🌜

[@rationalbasis2172]

Israeli society is lost.

[@kcvideousa]

Plastinin flash is served at Mcdonald near you.

[@MegaEllemae]

Conspiracy Theories??? WTF ???

[@FarazKhanYusufzai]

---- re-written conclusion... Leah: The vast majority of people in Gaza are refugees or descendants of refugees from 1948. The Israeli army's extensive destruction, targeting thousands of locations across the Gaza Strip, has been so comprehensive that it's imperative to revisit the places from which these people were expelled. Most of the villages and towns Palestinians were forced to leave during the Nakba are now deserted, with no new settlements in their place. In the aftermath of this war, the most sensible course of action seems to be allowing the mass return of Palestinian refugees. This would entail a shift towards democracy in Israel, moving away from the current theocratic and democratic systems. Fundamental changes in Israel's political structure are necessary to facilitate the return of refugees. This approach appears to be the only viable way to move forward, destabilize Hamas-a goal repeatedly stated but unachieved by the Israeli government-and ultimately end the recurring cycles of violence. This process can be seen as the decolonization of the existing power structure in Israel. Despite my efforts to remain optimistic about future possibilities, I find it increasingly challenging. Steiner: Leah, your points resonate with me. The only feasible solution seems to be the one you outlined. When we consider the death toll in Gaza, estimated at around 10,000, along with the Israelis killed in counterattacks, the situation is dire. The emergence of a neo-fascist government in Israel has exacerbated matters. This government exhibits authoritarian tendencies within Israel, which, when compared to the dystopian violence in Palestinian territories, paints a frightening picture of the current state of affairs. Indeed, these are troubling times.

[@farydeneme4716]

#ISRAEL, LO QUE HAGAS A OTROS TE LO HARÁN A TI!😡

[@oussamakhorbi4476]

🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸☮️☮️☮️

[@junetrenholm9810]

Why does the reporter giggle every time he talks about how the Israelis in the south were surprized by the attack and how the government let them down and dis not come to help them?

[@edwardspence-fo8vt]

I think you must be taking about Canada