The books are actually a step by step guide to growing up as a useful, independent, and above all worthwhile adult... sneakily hidden in an amazing adventure story. It is massively underrated, as lauded as it is.
@melaniemuller61992 жыл бұрын
I wrote 2 term papers about the philosophy in the books, they are so good and the series did better than the movies even when not perfect
@IshtarNike Жыл бұрын
It's deep shit. I think I read it when I was 10 and probably a bit too young to really GET it. But later I re-read and it really hits.
@fonztorres Жыл бұрын
There are heavy allegories, albeit, perversions, of Judeo-Christianic theology that would be considered extremely blasphemous.
@MemoirsofaBasketcase Жыл бұрын
I wonder if I would get any benefit now as a useless, blasé-about-life mid-30s that never read them.
@frikkin_hell2827 Жыл бұрын
@@melaniemuller6199 I think this is a stretch but by any chance do you have a TikTok account named mell and Mischa? I just saw a comment along those lines on a video
@Lord_Procrastinator2 жыл бұрын
As someone who hasn't read the books yet but has watched the movie, I honestly don't understand what people see in Nicole Kidman's Mrs. Coulter. Ruth Wilson's performance is so passionate, fierce and badass that you can actually see how the character managed to survive in such an oppressive, male-dominated world, while also displaying a vulnerability that shows you the effects this world has had in her psyche. Her performance makes me feel like this is a complex person with a very tumultuous and long history, while Nicole Kidman was just playing herself.
@Zarsla2 жыл бұрын
I was a 10-11 ish when I saw the moive, 12-13 when I read the books. Nicole Kidmam imo, got the villainous hidden nature part down. She was like the witch in Hansel & Gretel. Too nice and sweet, and then filled with horrible-Ness. That's my take on it anyway. Knowing the nature of her as I read the books, especially book 1. It was like that scene in Hansel and gretel,, where you met the witch and you're screaming don't! For me, Nicole Kidman gets something of Ms.Coluter in book 1, that we don't get in Ruth Wilson. Ruth Wilson imo fits her in books 2/3 and in that schemy/villainous way, but looses that fairy take like quality that she has in book 1.
@Panda77dumdumduummmm2 жыл бұрын
I agree
@discmeeds2 жыл бұрын
Her performance is great and there’s no doubt she’s an amazing actress. I just personally wish her portrayal in the TV wasn’t that of the “crazy woman” on screen. To me, what made Mrs Coulter scary but also compelling as a character was her cold hearted, calculative nature. She wasn’t doing anything “out of love” or in order to protect anyone but herself, at least at the beginning of the story. That’s something I really admired abt her character. It’s not inspirational but it’s also not the cliched evil woman with power that is overtly unhinged. All that being said, I’m glad series-only ppl enjoyed her character as is, just personally, I wish she’d gotten the cool exterior/messy interior we had in the books
@McButtsTheCrimeDog2 жыл бұрын
Nicole Kidman did an amazing job but the movie's plot was extremely badly adapted from the book. The cast was GREAT but the writing of the script was shit
@briantrumpower81082 жыл бұрын
Nicole Kidman was 50 billion times better than Ruth Wilson. In every way, shape, and form. To me, they can't even be compared. It's like comparing a summer Shakespeare concert in the park series actor with Anthony Hopkins. Wilson really took the production down a few notches. You may suggest this is all hyperbole, and maybe so, but she very nearly ruined this beloved series for me.
@RayManiac903 жыл бұрын
Golden compass movie had so many potentials, the problem is the production and controversy canned everything, but still I think the actors and the settings are amazing
@Youtube.ER342 жыл бұрын
What controversy??
@emilia24112 жыл бұрын
@@KZbin.ER34 religion
@user-pm2b47ar8d2 жыл бұрын
It's the original setting tho. Steampunk, mid-80s to 90s.
@frenchguitarguy10912 жыл бұрын
There good actors but most of the acting is so stilted, and characters don't feel like real people in that film.
@nineomite2 жыл бұрын
@@frenchguitarguy1091 - Which is kind of amazing considering the quality of the actors... I'd have to agree with the OP, when they removed the religious aspect of it they removed the driving motivation (on both sides) that made the books so damn compelling. The POV of (spoilers!) Lyra's would-be assassin, for example - without the religious aspect he's just... comically evil. With it he's scary, intense... a fanatic! That tension powered the books. Taking it out of the movie ruined it for me. The TV show, on the other hand, nails it at the cost of appearances - the characters *look* wrong to me but *feel* right. That's why I love it.
@emmieryder84342 жыл бұрын
Ruth Wilson is, hands down, the BEST Mrs. Coulter!
@unstrung652 жыл бұрын
You are 100% right --- so far , I have been mesmerized by Ruth Wilson's performance .
@mcnaugha2 жыл бұрын
So, true! When you rebinge the whole series, you see even more of what she did. She wipes the floor with Nicole. Maybe Season 3 will change this guy’s view.
@themassivebrainman47982 жыл бұрын
Ruth Wilson as mrs.coulter is my favorite performance ever
@SophieIGallagher842 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@lolsaXx2 жыл бұрын
I liked her death scene. It was great.
@mr.helsing71922 жыл бұрын
As far as I know the TV series of His Dark Materials were made by BBC in the UK and HBO is only a US and international market distributor. TV series were not made by HBO, but BBC did them, suffice it to say that most of cast are British.
@frenchguitarguy10912 жыл бұрын
Yeah this is a big thing to leave out. This film is Americans pretending to be British. The film felt like a film, the TV show feels like a genuine alternative universe.
@williamsu79182 жыл бұрын
@@frenchguitarguy1091 the series is a huge step up
@timaustin20002 жыл бұрын
Correct. BBC commissioned the series from BBC Alumni-led company Bad Wolf (basically, the people who made the first 4 seasons of "New" Doctor Who) long before HBO took any interest. HBO didn't buy into distribution until a month before Season 1 wrapped principal photography. BBC One remains the Commissioning Lead Producer.
@omnipotentfaces15142 жыл бұрын
Yes I was going to say this! If you’re British you know the show is in the distinctly BBC style and tone. They deserve the recognition as it’s fantastic and compliments the content.
@AndySola2 жыл бұрын
It was actually made by Bad Wolf and New Line Cinema. BBC just helped fund the series.
@andrewjoyce66342 жыл бұрын
I think the "too close to reality" thing in the TV series owes partially to the 20th century modernist aesthetic they used, probably in part due to budget considerations. The movie filled my head with the most brilliantly majestic Victorian Steampunk imagery, while the show took a relatively minimalist approach to art design. Look in season 3 how the land of the dead looks like some kind of 20th century concentration camp. Asreal's war HQ changes from a mountain in the book to a hill in the show. This modernist aesthetic was accompanied by a lot of the dreariness of 20th century modernism. The show's creators did a lot with what they had, but with content like this budget matters.
@leamubiu Жыл бұрын
Exactly. When I first saw the trailers announcing the first season, this (by then already) very over-churned dystopian aesthetic turned me off completely. And… I cannot judge of the actors’ performances, however from the trailers I didn’t get from Mrs Coulter any of the infinite loveliness that is supposed to characterize her demeanor. The actress’ features are rather harsher than Kidman’s, and the stiff clothing and dark hair-though faithful to the book (until Pullman switched it over to blonde in BoD, if I’ correct)-isn’t helping to add glamour…
@acidvlad9492 Жыл бұрын
yh for some reason the series setting,lighting and lack of vibrancy reminds me of a cbbc show which isn't great. the movie really felt magical to me and the series didn't
@anti-ethniccleansing465 Жыл бұрын
Don’t be so sure that it was a matter of budget instead of an intentional aesthetic change. I was an art major in university, so I had to take an arseload of art history classes. Going from the utter genius and awe-inspiring European paintings and architecture that were produced in the past to the abstract and modern art/architecture movement in the late 1800s-1900s makes one want to weep. This has been a product of communism - throwing away traditionalism, culture, beauty, and works of wonder, and replacing it with non-inspiring, ugly, soulless garbage. We are very much in a cultural war right now, fighting the same element that produced modern art/minimalism etc.. Hollywood is at the forefront of destroying culture, traditionalism, rewriting history, pushing leftism, etc.. So they don’t deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt. They have consistently, _INTENTIONALLY_ been destroying valuable works of art that have been beloved to their original audiences, having a laugh at gaslighting the public. Whether it’s Rings of Power, Walt Disney cartoons they’ve redone as horrendous live action films, doing movies/show versions of video games that are terrible like the Witcher, etc etc - they are dedicated to destroying everything that we hold dear, and making the promotion of their messaging/belief system the ultimate priority in their shameless, talentless works.
@andrewjoyce6634 Жыл бұрын
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 As someone who is probably on a different side of the culture war from you, this is largely why I love His Dark Materials so much. The whole trilogy is basically a giant middle finger to conservatism and organized religion. It's even more explicit in the books. You don't have to analyze the aesthetics for hidden messages, just look at what happens in the show.
@anti-ethniccleansing465 Жыл бұрын
@@andrewjoyce6634 I haven’t read the books or watched the show or movie. I’m merely commenting on the fact that you said the aesthetics were because the budget wouldn’t allow them to be faithful to the Victorian steampunk imagery you said was the setting in the books. I am an atheist myself, but I am firmly against the destruction of my culture/way of life, government/constitution, peoples, healthy societal norms, statues, language, sovereignty, and rewriting our history/norms/etc.. I’m nearly a half a century old now, and the heinous changes I’ve seen in just my lifetime make my stomach turn and anger me deeply. My state and country aren’t even recognizable anymore compared to what they were like when I was a young child. And when I was a young child, the state of things was already unrecognizable compared to just a few decades earlier. That’s how fast our overlords have been working - the group of people who we can’t even name because of their immense power. This is exactly what happens in communist revolutions/communist rule/genocide, so bravo for being in support of that. 🙄 A USSR KGB defector named Yuri Bezmenov described the plan that was implemented on us perfectly. You should listen to him, to understand the intense extremely calculated manipulation that we’ve been under throughout the West. There used to be tons of his 1980s interviews/lectures available here on YT, but most were yanked, because of obvious reasons, so it may be harder to find the content (easy to find elsewhere though). There’s also a wonderful vid Helen of Destroy did “How the Banker Run Foundations are Shaping up the World - Norman Dodd Reece” that is *EXTREMELY* eye opening. I would love to expand on that, but again, we aren’t allowed to be open and forthright about this kind of thing on YT.
@lydiacodding93082 жыл бұрын
I have only seen the HBO version and have loved it from start to finish. Cast extremely well, not “clunky,” the Mrs. Coulter is perfectly wicked and motherly at the same time, extremely engaging. I mourned the loss of characters that I adore (like Lee). I watched both seasons twice, can hardly wait for season three.
@eglantinepapeau15822 жыл бұрын
the HBO show casting was garbage , except for the casting of Mrs Coulter ( at least we both agree on that one)
@hotbelgianwaffles44392 жыл бұрын
@@eglantinepapeau1582 I don't think it deserves the word garbage... the only casting I thought was bad was Lin Manuel Miranda.
@Wesmin22 жыл бұрын
@@eglantinepapeau1582 eh, most of the cast is good to exceptional, I even think Lee was quite good.
@antmagor2 жыл бұрын
100% agree and for me I knew they were onto something when they managed to recapture my joy from when I read the book series. When I read the books I felt like I was actually on an adventure, like I was eight years old all over again. I watch the series and I get the exact same sense of nostalgia and I was so concerned I wouldn’t.
@antmagor2 жыл бұрын
@@hotbelgianwaffles4439 I thought he was way too young for the role but I don’t care because it worked. I genuinely accepted him as Lee, no not at first I will admit. And I absolutely loved the endorsement Lin-Manuel Miranda received from Philip Pullman.
@skarletcharity Жыл бұрын
I bought The Golden Compass when I was around 12-13 years old. It was a particular favorite of mine, even though I didn't at all understand what I was reading. I remember reading The Subtle Knife as a fever dream when I was around 15, and then skim-reading The Amber Spyglass over several visits to Borders, while my parents met with other couples for Bible study. I remember having vague awareness that my parents would not appreciate the "dæmons", nor the mention of angels and The Authority. But I didn't fully *understand* what I was reading until my mid-20's. His Dark Materials was released on HBO in my mid 30's, and after watching the first few episodes, I re-read the entire series and finally fully understood it. Now, at 38, I've actually accepted the multi-verse of realities as Canon, it makes more sense when I consider dreams and death and the afterlife.
@ladyfibonaccii2 жыл бұрын
My daughter's name is Lyra...I was in high-school when I read the books and I fell so much in love with that whimsical wonder that I told my 16 year old self my daughter's name will be Lyra.... and a decade later she came. She came at the same time that the Lyra constellation shot meteorites across our night sky. She is the Harp constellation. She loves finding Lyra in the stars. I believe that is why Philip chose that name...it's one of the most beautiful names in the stars. Now my baby will forever be a part of His Dark Materials.
@cloudsurfer732 жыл бұрын
It's funny because as soon as I heard that name and read the book, I decided I'd love to name my future daughter that too. I didn't know it was a star.
@ladyfibonaccii2 жыл бұрын
@@cloudsurfer73 it's not. It's a cluster of stars making a constellation.
@cloudsurfer732 жыл бұрын
@@ladyfibonaccii Even better
@CatBarefield Жыл бұрын
Lyra is an amazing name. Short, spellable, yet unique and aesthetically pleasing. I wont have children but Lyra would be a top contender baby name for me as well
@musosiimo3199 Жыл бұрын
The protagonists's name actually was the result of Philip Pullman mistaking the title of a hymn tune for its composer - 'Lyra Davidica' which means 'harp of David'. But it's a lovely name nonetheless - I immediately nicknamed my rather elegant cargo bike, which carries musical instruments, Lyra.
@gingit32392 жыл бұрын
I respectfully think you are almost completely wrong. As someone who read the books as a child and they genuinely shaped my life (put me right off Catholicism after having wanted to be a nun; I can understand the critics' fears tbh) and are very dear to my heart (my cats are named Pan and Roger, and I'd like to name a daughter Lyra), the HBO series is a childhood dream come true. There are a few tweaks I would make of course, but I find it such a faithful adaptation and I get emotional and tear up just watching the credits. I think you are maybe looking at this through an American lens; as others have mentioned, this is a BBC production and it perfectly captures the BBC and overall "British childrens' story" vibe - our media tends to be more somber and cynical. I also think the production value is outstanding, but again I'm not expecting Hollywood budgets (the only issue I have on this note is that they couldn't show more daemons everywhere). The whimsy is 10000% there for me and it's like a time portal back to my childhood, but it's a decidedly English type of whimsy.
@sjavijee2 жыл бұрын
His Dark Materials was fantastic!!!!! Cried my eyes out final season.
@Ntwister Жыл бұрын
i watched the last episode a few hours ago and i still got puffy eyes xD
@bettermetal1 Жыл бұрын
Oh my god that stock footage of a guy shrugging at 13:06 is the best thing I’ve seen all week
@saul_goodman00 Жыл бұрын
Just some constructive criticism, around 50% of this video was largely about your experience of beginning to read the novels rather than a constructive breakdown of what the novels, film and show have to offer. There were times where you started a new point/idea only to drop it midway and introduce another point/idea.
@AlexCortright Жыл бұрын
Yes sir. You’ve nailed the very point! :)
@cathiemarvellous3 ай бұрын
Yeah I stopped watching because of this. The delivery was also slightly melodramatic. I've enjoyed the comments though. People are so passionately in favour of Ruth Wilson's interpretation that I have decided to go back and try to continue with the series.
@KD-wb4fj2 жыл бұрын
Ruth Wilson's performance was absolutely perfect - she managed to capture what made Coulter's character so deeply sinister and seductive, without playing her like the "Villan". Anyone who has a toxic family memeber (particularly a parent) understands that fear and frustration of facing someone who believes themselves to be good and doing things from a place of love, when in fact they are awful and endlessly selfish. I think Nicole Kidman was more literal in playing her as a baddie
@actually_curious4773 Жыл бұрын
I don't know, from what I've seen of her she comes off as too matronly and on the verge of crying all the time, right off the bat. The book Mrs Coulter was glamorous and dazzling and charismatic, and that's what helped her advance in the church ranks and charm the hell out of Lyra so fast, but it also what makes the contrast between her dazzling exterior and her actual deeds so horrific. Nicole Kidman captures that even though she doesn't look like the book version, the original one at least. The show Mrs Coulter looks and acts like a Soviet schoolmaster to me, like a woman of a hard fate who hasn't slept in a week and is barely holding it together. That's not Mrs Coulter at all.
@lyrimetacurl0 Жыл бұрын
McPhail: "My actor is your actor's father." Lyra: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
@asterismos54512 жыл бұрын
I freaking adore Ruth Wilson as Mrs Coulter, she's just so perfect for the role. I do think though that the movie's Lee Scorsby was better.
@sunflowers_sarahАй бұрын
17:16 funny, I've been watching Dark Materials videos in the background at work today, and yours is one of the last--but every single video I was reminded of this part. Lyra being separate from Pan was such a devastating moment. I was in my early teens reading these books and that really resonated with me, even at the time. I was also pretty young when I saw the movie, and remember loving it. The HBO series doesn't seem to appeal to me for some reason (for the reasons you outlined, actually). I think I'll just re-read the books, honestly. Thank you for this wonderful video.
@alexschlotterstein118 Жыл бұрын
I have the impression that Nicole Kidman embodied Mrs. Coulter in her play as the author Philipp Pullman imagined her: Untouchable, self-possessed, inquisitive and almost magically beautiful. It is the portrait of an almost mythical figure, who in the first two parts is the most cruel representative of the Magisterum, and whose character change in the third book seems almost strange, precisely because it is the first time that she gets something like a character. Don't get me wrong, I love Mrs Coulter from the book, that's just my analysis of her. Ruth Wilson, on the other hand, drew a character who reveals to us how cruel women must be to themselves and to others when they seek academic recognition in a world that systematically oppresses women. This Mrs. Coulter is psychologically torn to the core, becomes visibly angry and has clear traits of borderline personality disorder which is also evident in her extreme treatment of her own daemon, the manifestation of her soul. We immediately believe that Mrs. Coulter has her own motives, her actions and her character are comprehensible from the beginning to the end. That is the reason why I find her better in the role, even though I also find Pullman's version of Mrs. Coulter and Nicole Kidman's interpetation of her great.
@JezLerman10 ай бұрын
Just watched your video for the second time. It's still brilliant. You held me with your whimsy and wonder, mate, for which I thank you.
@nehemiah_illustrates2 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna have to disagree: 1. Ruth Wilson was PHENOMENAL as Mrs. Coulter. Jesus Christ. She was clearly much better. Nicole Kidman was trying SO hard and still was just average at best. I’ll take Ruth Wilson ANY day over Nicole Kidman as Marissa. 2. I love Sir Ian McKellan across the board, but the voice actor for Jorvik in HDM was a nice change and Sir Ian would have just been too cinematic all the time. It brought Jorvik down to Earth.
@xfel59137 күн бұрын
It should be noted that the aesthetic of Lyra’s world was never going to translate to the screen well. The world actually is not too different from ours, but the book descriptions use different terms to make it more fanciful.
@Electric_Coconut2 жыл бұрын
I saw the movie and thought it was awful and fell asleep on my wife's shoulder. We power watched season 1 & 2 and I thought it was some of the best TV in a long time. I liked it so much I ordered the book trilogy and completely fell in love with them. Now I'm waiting for the 3rd book of the new trilogy to come out so I can order that as well...
@ZhadTheRad2 жыл бұрын
Wait, new trilogy?!
@Electric_Coconut2 жыл бұрын
@@ZhadTheRad yeah bud, prequel trilogy
@lyrax18122 жыл бұрын
@@Electric_Coconut no not really! The first one is a prequel, the others are a continuation of lyras story
@Minptahhathor2 жыл бұрын
@@ZhadTheRad book of dust ❤️🔥
@Mednay2 жыл бұрын
I never read the books, I watched the golden compass but it didn't really stays with besides that I really like the concept of daemons. I didn't remember anything about it besides Eva Green being Serafina but His Dark Materials really got me, primarily because of Ruth performance and I've never heard of her before. I think she really great captured her monkey side.
@melaniemuller61992 жыл бұрын
Read the books, I promise you won't regret
@snowyy.5275 Жыл бұрын
Nicole Kidman's Mrs. Coulter is a force of nature. She's charismatic and brilliant at times and magnanimous and empathetic at others, but only when it benefits her to be. Most of all, she's always in control. There are hints of her inner workings, but it's still like walking into a candy store, looking at all the colorful wrappers, and wondering what flavor is inside. That mystery is what makes her so captivating. I believe we're witnessing Lyra's childlike idolization of her and exactly what Mrs. Coulter wants others to see. Her portrayal is no less menacing to me, because of the mystery of her motivations, cold ruthlessness, and empty kindness. Ruth Wilson's Mrs. Coulter is menacing, but it comes from a different place. It's like being around a wild animal that's out of control. Her version is a touch too vulnerable, messy, and human. Like so messy. It's depression, rage, and loss of control wrapped together. It's hard to see her as a woman capable of playing powerful men like her chess pieces. We see too much of her off the bat. I believe if the movies became a trilogy, Kidman would have had an opportunity to slowly develop her more vulnerable sides. On the other hand, Wilson's S1 performance could have taken more cues from the movie
@cathiemarvellous3 ай бұрын
Perfectly put
@Akali152 жыл бұрын
Nice analysis! I remember I was in high school when the movie came out, the Catholic Church was up in arms about it being anti-God and written by an atheist and everything; they had sermons about how parents shouldn't let their children see the movie or read the books. So my mother went and bought all the books gave them to me and told me if I wanted to read them then read them. She said, "I'll be damned if they tell me what you can and can't read, you know the difference between fact and fiction and if you have any questions about it you come and talk to me." I read all the books and loved them.
@paganidude21492 жыл бұрын
I can see the controversy from a religious perspective. I didn't see that strong of a message like that from the movie, which is the first I heard of this story. I never knew of the books, and have not read the since either. I loved the show, but I am unsure after the first episode. I can't say I agree with the message of waging war against a figure that may be a representation of God. Which is an easy correlation to make after watching the first episode of season 3.
@astrowiz35442 жыл бұрын
@@paganidude2149 if you were to read/watch further though, you’d quickly find out that the “god” they’re trying to kill isn’t really god at all but rather an old decrepit angel posing as god whose regent is obsessed with domination of all the worlds and suppression of free will. It’s a clever commentary on how organized Christianity has been distorted and twisted into a repressive dogma no longer reflective of its origin of purpose.
@thepiratepeter46302 жыл бұрын
@@paganidude2149 In the books the relationship is even more explicit. As an atheist, I find the concept interesting: if the entity that calls itself god in the bible actually existed, why would we trust him? Think about it, even if Jesus literally did everything the bible says he did, he wouldn't have needed omnipotence to do it; also, he criticised one of his disciples when he wanted proof about his resurrection: why would Jesus be unhappy about people being skeptical/using critical thought 🤔? It seems a good thing to me.
@PAWfessionalTennis2 жыл бұрын
You have a great mom
@zauberholz83572 жыл бұрын
Your mum is awesome! That's the right attitude for a parent to have; "there's a difference between fact and fiction, let's talk about the interesting topics this work brings up"
@-LillianAngel- Жыл бұрын
I don’t care what anyone thinks but Ruth Pullman’s Mrs Coulter is amazing. -She’s well played -very greatly portrayed - I don’t know why but she’s really mesmerising -Nicole Kidman’s Mrs coulter was an absolute flop for me -she’s also a badass which I love -she’s sadistic, she’s power hungry and for some reason so easy to like -and I also love the loving desperation that she has for Lyra as her mother, it’s so enticing -also there’s so many times when she’s gone a bit out of whack which I find interesting, cause there’s this scene from I think episode 2 or 3(I forgot) where after Lyra ran away from her she got really upset about it and got suuuuuuupppppeeeerr drunk, and for some reason is just walking along the very edge of her fancy apartment terrace trying to see if she’ll fall or not, and there’s this moment where she nearly falls of and the her daemon is just looking through the window scared as f##k. And I don’t know why but it’s just so enticing to watch cause you get to see I deep dive into her character
@droogydroo8581 Жыл бұрын
Ruth Wilson is not only phenomenal as Mrs. Coulter, she is, for me, quite possibly the best thing about the show. I find every single one of her scenes scintillating; her performances are next level, and I find she's able to find a depth of nuance, of tenderness and savagery to her character, that I didn't even realise was there. I agree with so much of what is said here, about the strengths and weaknesses of both the film and the show, but man, do I find myself baffled by the take on Ruth Wilson's performance. I know art is supposed to be subjective, but that is a breath-taking performance, no matter what way you look at it.
@Akena3473 жыл бұрын
Thank you for giving me the words I was looking for in comparing the adaptations. It's almost ironic that they both succeed where the other one doesn't: a mix of the two could give us exactly what we want! The only thing I would disagree with is the portrayal of Mrs. Coulter: Kidman had the appearance and charm, but Wilson brought the complexity of the character. She is a fascinating and twisted person that needed this kind of bottled-up crazy portrayal, even if that meant removing some of the charm. In the end, I think that the biggest issue with the HBO series is its objectivity of view. The books, as well as the film, followed Lyra's perspective so you see the world through her eyes. It's logical that the world seems magical in the first book, not only because it's a different world, but because she's a child. And it's only near the end that the tone shifts to show how she'd matured. The show begins with that tone. Because it follows more characters, individually from Lyra, already shows Will and switches between worlds, while portraying a more somber and strict world with set design, we lose that wonderful subjectivity. The story is Lyra's coming of age story, first and foremost, so they lost all of that beautiful point of view and progression with that structure. I get what they were trying to do, but it was a mistake.
@hagermanhooligan08712 жыл бұрын
These were the words you I needed
@cloudsurfer732 жыл бұрын
A big mistake. She doesn't even feel like a main character anymore. I preferred Kidman's portrayal because Mrs. Coulter was always a mysterious figure who only briefly shows glimpses of vulnerability and love towards Lyra. I liked her being mysterious, it's kind of like Count Olaf in A Series of Unfortunate Events, it makes them more scary and complicated. They've shown all her hands in the show so she's no longer intriguing.
@christine713 Жыл бұрын
@@cloudsurfer73I find her more intriguing tbh. I don’t think I ever wondered as much about her backstory and how she got to be the way she is.
@sheilajune967711 ай бұрын
I fell in love with the Golden Compass movie when it 1st came out back in 2007. I was 13 years old when I watched the film and read the books. After I saw the movie, I read all three of the books. I love how he explained everything in this video. He nailed it 👏 good job. 👍 these books were made for children . Honestly. I have not watched the HBO TV show of his dark materials I just now discovered that and even though I have not watched the shows I have a feeling that what he says in this video is all true. I would totally want to go with Lyra in her adventures in the old film and from what I'm seeing now. I don't think I would even be interested in watching the HBO TV series.. Thank you for making this video 👏
@jamielawrence2515Күн бұрын
I’m a massive fan of the books and I can’t recommend HDM highly enough. It’s one of my all time favourite tv programs, I think i’ve watched it all three times over and I just started again last night. 10/10 and being so much longer it draws you in far more than the film. A real adventure to get completely lost in. Brilliant. I think it looks fantastic too :)
Жыл бұрын
Dude, you've said it all. This trilogy sat on my shelf for 20 years and recently, at 35, I read it. The feeling of wonder... as an adult, I really appreciated that!
@tonyyoung3985 Жыл бұрын
That was a great intro and I totally get it. And on the opposite end of that. Imagine being obsessed with something that you love so much but found no support or fandom, so you actually misinterpret it. And it takes years to meet your fandom to show you how wrong you were. Or at least have an interesting conversation about it.
@ColieBear182 жыл бұрын
Truly I'm one of those people whos life was changed after reading this series as a preteen. It's still my favorite series of books. Its the perfect mix of magic and theory with a touch of tragedy which is just catnip for me. The depth of feeling in the book is really hard to explain sometimes but GOD does it make me feel.
@gemueseandrea2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree!!!
@luanalano7827 Жыл бұрын
About the cast, specifically bout ms Coutler, i think the series actress NAILED IT, she literally was the heart of the series, in acting matters, she was the BEST ONE, she brought every layer of the character to the screen and i loved so much hating her
@miaeager6821 Жыл бұрын
I'm so surprised that people don't like Ruth's portrayal of Mrs. Culter...
@unstrung652 жыл бұрын
Could not disagree with you more on Ruth Wilson's performance ! --- Absolutely loved it .The strongest acting and portrayal of the entire cast, in my opinion . Also liked Nicole Kidman's performance in The Golden Compass . I knew nothing about the books when I saw 'The Golden Compass' - and was quite sad that no more films followed . The TV series lacked some of the more colorful aspects of the film . But , as you said , it took awhile to adapt . Maybe you should have waited until the third installment has aired to give your full impressions of the BBC series 'and' Ms Wilson . But you were honest in your own opinions , so I really appreciate that .
@cloudsurfer732 жыл бұрын
I think Ruth Wilson is an amazing actor, I just don't like this portrayal of Ms. Coulter, it's less about her acting and more about the writing for me.
@Grethrey1232 жыл бұрын
Agree. Totally see where he’s coming from about Nicole Kidman being great, but she seems to waif-like. I never believed her “edge” which the character needs to have. Ruth Wilson NAILS this - constantly flip flopping between alluring and all-out insane and intimidating. I genuinely was unnerved when the monkey first attacked Pan, simply by how unnervingly calm Mrs Coulter was the whole time. But she also makes the character sympathetic - that outburst about how Asriel was a bad father…amazing piece of exposition at the same time as character development!
@roro-mm7cc2 жыл бұрын
@@Grethrey123 Kidman's coulter is far *too* sympathetic, which makes Lyra's disdain for her in the film feel jarringly unrealistic.
@Grethrey1232 жыл бұрын
@@roro-mm7cc Exactly! I don't think I've ever seen a Kidman performance where she is an out-and-out villain. Some actors just don't have that side to them.
@roro-mm7cc2 жыл бұрын
@@Grethrey123Yh she’s much better in something like “The Others”. Another morally.. questionable mother figure in a film which also subtly criticises religious authoritarianism.
@juliahembruff86983 жыл бұрын
This was a really interesting video, thanks for sharing your perspective! I personally think ruth wilson was a much better mrs coulter and she’s my favourite part of the show. I’m a huge fan of Nicole Kidman, but there’s a reason she doesn’t often play villains. She doesn’t have that quality that makes you fear the character. I watched the movie before I read the book, and found the character completely unmemorable in the movie, a pale imitation of the terrifying villain of the book. To be fair, it could have been the writings fault. The book and show made it clear that she is a sociopath that delights in her scientific pursuits. The scenes in the show when she interacts with the kids she’s about to mutilate are chilling and fascinating. Mrs Coulter is more than a femme fatale and I think the show understood that whereas the movie didn’t. I completely agree with you that the show couldn’t decide what audience they wanted. It’s too adult for kids and too childish for adults. I can’t see teenagers being too interested either.
@scelonferdi2 жыл бұрын
I think that's part of the problem Alex Cortright might have with her. In what he enjoyed I read a certain desire for Escapism. This version of Ms. Coulter most certainly does not deliver that. She sadly feels very real (at least the sociopatic, detached, manipulative domestic abuse part).
@lalo90792 жыл бұрын
That's interesting because for me, Ruth Wilson just never felt right, she has better lines or scenes that Nicole Kidman had in the movie to show how compelling is the character, but never make me feel that kid me would be scared of her, something that Kidman did when I see the film, she's so gorgeous and ridiculously beautiful, but in a way that it feels calculated to disguise the most dangerous part of herself, and no matter how charming she was, me as an audience I knew it doesn't feel right. For me Ruth just doesn't have that impression and all the scenes of season 1 felt more like the writers saying "THIS CHARACTER IS COMPLEX I SWEAR" but making dumb adaptations like Lyra knowing Roger is gone even before leaving Oxford, what make Ms Coulter the stupidest decision of tell the child she want to live with that she would find her kidnapped best friend but don't doing it hoping that Lyra "forget about him 😜"
@briantrumpower81082 жыл бұрын
To each their own, but I don't get it. She was terrible. Ruth just played her 'Luther' character.
@cjayconrod Жыл бұрын
I think you just explained why people are disappointed by every Disney "live-action" movie of the last decade. Seeking realism creates something too close to reality
@ahseilapo Жыл бұрын
To me the series were saved by Ruth Wilson; any scene with her would be a delight. She fits so well with the book character and added nuance that only made this complex character even richer.
@joaobello7179 Жыл бұрын
Ruth Wilson's performance was the best, she really caught the cunning and the threatning part of Mrs.Coulter, but i always thought that Nicole Kidman's part was a waste since she nailed the seductive/word play part that reminds me the first time you read about Mrs.Coulter, and it's to bad the movie was wasted because i would have loved to have seen Nicole's Coulter in the next 2 movies. But still, Ruth nailed it and made a great impression as Marisa, not only in personality but also the looks.
@SHB373 Жыл бұрын
The BBC audio rendition with Philip Pullman as narrator is hands down the best
@pipersage91882 ай бұрын
The first time I read his dark materials, I was in 5th grade, I’m in 11th now, and have lost track of the amount of times I’ve read it. What captivated me as a child by being a fantastical, whimsy, and passionate story, now carries so much meaning to me as I now see its relation to the real world. I now understand what Phillip Pullman was getting at, peeling back the layers every time I read it is so astonishing. My aunt asked me the other day what age range the book I never stop taking about was targeted at, and I was dumbfounded, I couldn’t possibly place it in an age restricted box, no matter how hard I tried.every character represents something different for me, the movie growing up was amazing, I never questioned any of the choices the producers made, but now I see the flaws, that, despite not being entirely accurate, or making sense, do not take away from the films value. The excitement I felt when I found out about the show was rivaled only by the idea that this trilogy would gain some more recognition. However after watching it, I was left dissatisfied, it was all wrong, you could tell that it was produced by people who never experienced the books as a child, never felt that wonder, since I can remember I’ve wanted to become a movie producer, and the movies I want to make the most are his dark materials, I want to everything Phillip Pullman wrote about justice, I want other people to read the books and give me their opinion, I want to see different peoples visions, but I want to do them the justice they so dearly deserve. His dark materials has such an immense meaning to me, that I don’t think it will ever not be my favorite series, I am the person I am today because of those books, and they continue to inspire and guide me through becoming an adult, Lyras adventure was there for me when I was alone and a my worst, I could talk about the trilogy for a lifetime and never be bored.
@ezioartem91932 жыл бұрын
"As a kid, I always gravitated towards the stories that presented themselves with accessible language, but didn't talk down to me. They treated me like an individual. They respected little 11yo me" Dude those words are so true. I even wrote it down in my mobile notes lol. Thank you for the video!
@AlexCortright2 жыл бұрын
So glad you enjoyed!!!
@reniahneal2332 Жыл бұрын
Not me just noticing why I was having Deja Vu this whole time 🤦🏾♀️
@Minptahhathor9 ай бұрын
Lmfao real, I remember watching golden compass in kenya, now in Australia watching the show I was like wait a damn minute 😅.
@quickflash2studios2322 жыл бұрын
I remember when the BBC series came out, my family watched it when it was broadcast but after a few weeks, my family didn’t want to watch any more because they didn’t know what was going on. I was the only person who liked it because I’d read the books. (This isn’t a criticism of it, my family don’t pay enough attention to films and tv and want everything to be explained to them)
@drogadepc2 жыл бұрын
To be fair the BBC series is pretty confusing at first. It took me a long while before I could finally understand what it is about. I had watched The Golden Compass when it was released years ago but I could barely remember anything. Then, I decided to watch the movie again, after the series finale, and all I can say is that the movie is horrible. It's rushed, no character development, poor editing and the actors seem like they don't know what they're doing. The setting is pretty average and the soundtrack is forgettable
@troe7878 Жыл бұрын
I just wanted to say that i loved how you articulated your passion for this awe inspiring immersive book series. I felt the very same when listening to them. Whimsy. It was a truly magical and very real world for me. I went on their journey thru the characters in a way that i have a hard time finding again with other books. When it ended, it was all i could do to find a way back into that land, but was met with much disappointment in the movie. Thank you for your review, it's rekindled a spark inside me. It's been 20yrs now, and i think it's time to re download the audiobooks!
@AlexCortright Жыл бұрын
i’m so happy you feel this way and to evoke even a small amount of emotion through my video. it means the world!
@anthonyfarshaw8619 Жыл бұрын
I knew season 1 sucked when they thought a screaming session between Lyra and Mrs. Coulter was more important than showing how Iorek Byrnison defeated the usurper Iofur. In the film it was a cool moment with Sir Ian McKellen crying out: "YES! THIS IS ALL!", while the TV series just moved the victory to the background so we could focus on crying Lyra. That was so lame!
@joshuagoh75522 жыл бұрын
I feel you lost the 'whimsy' because you grew up, not because the show was bad. Watching something for the first time as a young child will always leave a bigger impact than if you watch something you have already watched before. It's simply nostalgia. Also I don't see how Ruth wilson was a worse Mrs. Coulter than Nicole Kidman.
@SalemEverett2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I read the books as a teenager, watched The Golden Compass and the first two seasons of the HBO show - the show is 1,000 times better than the movie, and Ruth Wilson absolutely nails the role. I knew of her from that Luther show with Idris Elba, and she's a big name in the theatre world too, like Andrew Scott and James McAvoy, and knew she'd be great. Very talented, and terrifying lol.
@frenchguitarguy10912 жыл бұрын
The show is wayyyyyy more whimsy than the film ever was. Like you get to see kids run around have fun in the show, quite a lot of time in the first episodes. Just because the show is also not scared to go to the darkness either
@frenchguitarguy10912 жыл бұрын
Also Nicole Kidman was boring compared to Ruth Wilson. I don't get the feeling that Nicole put as much thought into her role if any at all compared to Ruth
@inbuttsmeeting2 жыл бұрын
@@frenchguitarguy1091I agree ruth wilson is an excellent choice for mrs coulter, but I’m not sure what whimsy you’re seeing in the show. seeing kids running around isn’t enough lmao
@harrysolas28022 жыл бұрын
Thanks for opening up. You shared the heart of readers who enjoy fiction. When I enjoy a book, I feel exactly the same way. There's magic here no matter the genre. Good job. As for Pullman's road, change it to river. A powerful river pulls the reader in. If the river stalls, the story stalls. That's why you need to keep your eye on the river as a writer. Thanks again for your thoughtful analysis.
@AlexCortright2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! It means the world to find likeminded people out there who experience art similarly. Truly.
@stiletteleray13265 ай бұрын
When someone tells me an adaptation is “too real” and “doesn’t give them a whimsical feel” it just reads like you’ve grown up and are a bit bitter about it. All art reflects reality, no matter how grandiose the fictional world may be.
@ffking892 жыл бұрын
Is the first book called the golden compass in America? I have allwyse known it to be called Northan Lights in the UK.
@AbelMcTaliskerАй бұрын
The story (according to the author) appears to be that when pitching the first book to its American publisher, he first showed them an early draft, provisionally titled The Golden Compasses. They misread this as The Golden Compass and somebody clearly thought it was a good idea, In the meantime, the book in its final form was published in the UK as Northern Lights, the title by which it is known outside of the USA. As he had been paid already he didn`t think it was worth insisting on them changing it.
@evgenkhersonets8803 жыл бұрын
At least it's not Wheel of Time or the Witcher. Also Ruth Wilson is great and terrifying
@Minipsil39 ай бұрын
Mrs Coulter is my favourite character from anything and is so relatable and enjoyable to watch!
@sketchtheparadigmyork12172 жыл бұрын
I side with you- Kidman was quite electric and would have been amazing in the show. Wilson had more to work with and hence more of a chance to enchant fans.
@mymblemeep9383 Жыл бұрын
Philip Pullmans and Neil Gaimans books were never whimsy to me (Terry Pratchett and Walter Moers books are whimsy and I love them for it), they've always felt more like a dark and grimy magic twist on reality. And I love that about them as a kid, just as much as I do now. As a kid I loved the books of His Dark Materials and honestly was very upset and angry when the movie came out because I thought it was too light and fluffy. It felt to me like the producers had tried to make yet another sellable kids movie without understanding that this series could not be that. It needed to be so much more. I cried floods reading the books. The thought of kidnapping, separating souls from the body and people willingly doing it to children, angels not having humans best in mind but wanting control over "their creation" in a very humanlike and greedy fashion, death, and children walking into the land of the dead to rescue a friend.. it was all very heavy to read but that made it feel impactful and I felt like I wasn't being talked down to the way I felt with many other books intended for a younger audience. The movie once again felt like it had misunderstood that darkness and invitation to talk about dark and painful things. To let it be dark and grimy so that the real light in the characters and small moments can be seen. I loved the series because it brought the books to life the way I saw them. The child in me was happy. And adult me, well I loved the portrayal of a lot of characters but especially mrs Coulter because she was complex and I could see her pain. Her actions made me hate her, her brokenness and flux in emotions made me pity and feel for her, and at times I could even relate to her. The meeting she had with Lee Scoresby, a character that gets to shine so brightly as a contrast to her, becomes so empowering because you get to see the result of choice. A choice to treat yourself and others better even when you were mistreated, leading to health and kindness. I loved Lyras character but I was truly happy to get to see so much complexity and depth added to the characters around her. That made the series surpass my expectations. I do agree that Lyra in the series did not make me feel as much as I wanted in the bit leading up to leaving Pan, because she appeared cold and disregarding for what might happen to her deamon, Will and his deamon were they to part. If more hesitance leading up to it could've been shown I think it would've created more empathy. Also the romance between her and Will feels forced in the end.
@Char10tti33 ай бұрын
I agree with your final point, but moreso that the plots of HBO follow the books more, but the characters don't seem like they did in the books. I think it's because of the whimsy and not seeing that in Oxford originally since it was all about kids finding fun things to do and escape. I do love certain choices with the Edwardian and dieselpunk aesthetic, but it's definitely missing scenes like Lyra looking at the maps in the film and dreaming of going to the North
@lucastorresruiz76412 жыл бұрын
I think what Philip and Neil have as writers and why their stories have the impact they have is because they’re immensely inspired by the world we live in itself, not just creating a fantasy universe but getting inspiration from myths, history, science, etc
@AelitaUndomiel2 жыл бұрын
i get you, i also discovered his dark materials when i was at a low point in my life. although i already watched the movie when it came out, i was a kid and i couldn’t understand the plot quite much, until i stumbled across the tv series and fell in love. i read the books and enjoyed the movie too! (which is pretty magical and had so much wasted potential, sadly). this trilogy became such a comfort for me, made me bond even more with my new pet/dæmon after the one i used to have passed away. lyra is a role model and very relatable for me. philip pullman created an incredible, beautiful and complex fantasy world.
@Wurmze2 жыл бұрын
For me the show and movie stand on equal footing. Where the movie fails the show succeeds, and where the show fails the movie succeeds. Happy to enjoy all three mediums
@NoctLightCloud Жыл бұрын
The Golden Compass (book 1) was the first English book I purchased and read. It was a pain for my 12yrs old self to get through that rather difficult book for an English learner (I'm German speaking), but thanks to it, I managed to improve quite a lot within weeks!
@psilz_3 ай бұрын
The first 4 minutes. I don't think I've felt this much in a long time. This is awesome.
@novrdd Жыл бұрын
This video lights up a really interesting conclusion on how I personally experienced the books and both of the adaptations. Since, I'm basically have pretty much the same journey and exposure to the story like you, yet enjoy both the adaptation probably the same amount, i think it's because now as an adult I'm no longer seeking the whimsical aspects from the story anymore. When I watched The Golden Compass for the first time when i was a pre-teen, i was blown away and loved it so much. Heck i even considered it as a better movie than Narnia and Harry Potter (which are big back in the day). It has a special place in my heart. Now that I'm older, filled with somewhat more pragmatic way of thinking and in fact enjoyed the recent HBO's adaptation, after watching a lot of discussion, video essays, etc (including yours). I realized that i think people behind the HBO's adaptation know what they're doing. They want to make the series which appealing to us, the adults who got disappointed because the golden compass didn't get its sequel. Unlike The Golden Compass which was an actual attempt to bring the trilogy to the big screen for the first time. That's why it still has the whimsy elements from it source material and has the appeal to kids/teens. Anyway.. I still think Nicole Kidman's Mrs. Coulter is the best, but! Ruth Wilson still did a great performance (again a great one, not just ok, or acceptable or anything, it's actually GREAT) in the HBO's adaptation. Ok bye
@sorscha13082 жыл бұрын
As others have mentioned this is a BBC production TV show. It is darker than the film, probably because it's a big ask to sustain whimsy throughout a longform TV run, rather than just a film length production, especially when your source material IS SOOO dark. I understand your issues with the difference between the two but they are not the same medium and i'm happy with them both, as i think they both meet their individual briefs and work in their own mediums. I loved the film when it came out. I was an adult and had already read the entire series (as an adult) but i didn't mind the changes and understood that this was a film made to appeal to children and adults, as a family friendly version of the source material and one that you wouldn't necessarily have had to have read the books to fully enjoy. The TV version is aimed at the same audience as the books - young teens but it's also VERY aware that there's a huge audience of adults who've read the books over a perio of almost 20 years at this point. There are a LOT of us and we want all of the nitty gritty in there. UK kids are also pretty used to dark stuff too and they've hit a good balance for their expected audience i think. Yes, you're right, the whimsy's pretty much gone but i don't know how you'd sustain that with a darker, grittier version (than what was basically meant as a kids film) - they never managed 'whimsy' with the TV version of Neverwhere either but Stardust (the film) is full of it.
@timaustin20002 жыл бұрын
Think you're right about UK kids: British audiences are much more into dark and macabre tones that American audiences, by en large.
@edith_akerman Жыл бұрын
I don't really know why the fact that the BBC series isn't catered towards children is an issue because the books weren't either. As you've said, it's more for young adults and adults, and as someone who's read the books I really think the BBC series did them justice
@hannahwicks71972 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's just the nostalgia of loving something so fully and sharing that love with my friends (my two best friends and i made our group chat initially to talk about the his dark materials tv show) but for me the show had exactly that sense of wonder and whimsy that you described and it appealed to me as a young teenager in 2019, someone reaching adolescence in 2020 and now, as someone considering their place in the world in 2022, I'm really excited for the final season
@adriannephillips13956 ай бұрын
My only gripes about the tv show is Lin as Scoresby and that Lyra isn’t a blonde and her hair is pin straight. Her hair is referred several times as being unruly and blonde.
@xycap83516 ай бұрын
The antiwhite raceswapping is to on the nose and must feel really mean spirited to white people...The whole Magisteiunm is white men and all white men except Asriel are portraid as weaker than girls or women plus having hateful insects rats or reptiles as Will being held down by little Lyra and dominated by him is far from the only example ..
@leoallan22252 жыл бұрын
I really liked The Golden Compass too, it had a Amazing cast thats far better, and more accurate than the series I think. The show is just okay to me, so I prefer the film. Even though comparing a film to a long series is not a fair comparison.
@feliciabrown72882 ай бұрын
I never read the books but when I first watched the Golden Compass I thought it was whimsical and amazing with some dark moments. I even bought the movie on dvd lol at the time. I haven’t watched His Dark Material yet but now I’m not sure if want to 😢…
@shihtzucorgi1368 Жыл бұрын
Just watched this film because of the series made.. I must say they could make the 2nd and 3rd installment of this film.. And the child Layra be played by Anya Taylor Joy and her friend be played by Nicholas Hoult.. The similarities are uncanny.. other characters will still be played by Nicole Kidman, Daniel Craig, Sam Eliot, Eva Greene..
@jackalackb172 жыл бұрын
My dream for dark materials would be for an anime studio to be given the chance to make it. Studio Ghibli (specifically spirited away) is the closest thing for me to capturing the childlike wonder and the darkness I would expect from the books.
@XentorAntarix Жыл бұрын
That ha been brilliant.
@Sirarthurjr Жыл бұрын
The beginning almost made me cry inside as I'm obsessed with super cars and I can go on for hours about luxury cars, but it seems like everyone just ignores me honestly to the point I turn myself down thinking some people try to talk about it only bec they feel bad and not that they care.
@celerya8365 Жыл бұрын
while i disagree with some of your points on casting (i hands down do NOT like dafne keen as lyra), i 100% agree with you on your final point about whimsy. you hit the nail on the head with your description on how his dark materials feels cold and unwelcoming, while the movie feels much more warm and childish like the books. as an avid fan of the books myself, i enjoyed this video a lot :) on a different note: you were right when you said the metaphors and philosophical messages would go over your head if you had read this as a child. i read this series for the first time when i was 11, and back then, i was just enchanted by the magic and fantasy and everything. it wasn’t until i was 13 that i realized dust is growing up and the series is a metaphor for losing childhood. of course this probably seems obvious, but as an 11 year old i wasn’t thinking about this. it’s actually fascinating how much the way i interpreted the series changed as i grew up
@Shtuhtefup2 жыл бұрын
You are a little bit of a fool. Ruth’s Ms. Coulter is INCREDIBLE.
@s.l.32812 жыл бұрын
Skip ahead to 22 minutes to FINALLY hear this guy's opinion about what the HBO series is lacking -_-
@ruthbennett7563 Жыл бұрын
I know. I clicked to hear about this book series & its adaptations. However, all this creator does is make reference to himself. Couldn’t stay interested to finish.
@ericar.79242 жыл бұрын
I wanted a part 2 for the golden compass so bad! I’m still waiting 😂
@traci01332 жыл бұрын
It will be OK for a part 2, if they don't become sooooo scared by the pressures from the religious organizations.....otherwise don't bother wasting our time pulling out important pieces just to appease a group of closed minded people
@lyrimetacurl0 Жыл бұрын
I always thought the film was badly received because most people hadn't read the books and thought it was just some random fantasy story like Eragon but I had read the books and thought the 2nd one does a sudden change of genre to sci-fi and was looking forward to that being a movie 😂 pity it never came, well until the TV show.
@sillahthandi7237 Жыл бұрын
You're right, the HBO series is not whimsy. It's more like adventure and low key horror.
@les47672 жыл бұрын
I'd be curious to hear if your opinion of the HBO series improved after you see seasons 2 and 3.
@eldaddio10102 жыл бұрын
A good analysis. I recall that Philip Pullman said he he didn't regard the books as children's books, it was just that they featured children. My biggest problem with the HBO series (I am currently in season 2) is the amount of travel between Lyra's Earth and ours. It sort of ruins the mystery of it. Also agree that Dafne Keen if fantastic and that while Ruth Wilson is good, Nicole Kidman was better. I also think that the voicing of Pan is much better in the HBO series.
@anula46752 жыл бұрын
I like the HBO show because it was more real and less an adventure/fairytale. This is why I too love Neil Gaiman’s work so much, his stories are full of magic but at the same time brutally close to reality, hence I get the feeling the world I am reading about is more alive. I grew up daydreaming about all of the worlds and my favourite protagonists. For example I loved first seasons of Doctor Who, because of the low budget and normal London streets, with bad weather and trash on pavements. It was easier to imagine the Tardis could land in my post soviet neighbourhood this way. Later seasons were all so colourful and Disney-like it got less and less enjoyable. HBOs Lyra does not have a perfect hairstyle and makeup, she is not overly brave making speeches but natural and honest. I believe her story.
@abcdes7491 Жыл бұрын
Where did you get that copy of the book!? It’s gorgeous!
@ashleighpiccinino1849 Жыл бұрын
I think the movie did rather well. It followed everything in the book, and sir Ian mckellen is great as zurich bernison. Everything else was good as well, and I love scoresby.
@tonyyoung3985 Жыл бұрын
Why was the book considered "heresy?" Surely, calling out corruption is hardly heretical.
@mochimitsu72 жыл бұрын
I love BBC's His Dark Materials in spite of its flaws.
@cyberpxl2 жыл бұрын
Just have to say, this channel is SO underrated, this video and your ideas are simply incredible, how do you only have 933 subscribers? I loved your takes on the series, just subscribed. Keep up the GREAT work!
@lilyavabrooks2 жыл бұрын
In the HBO's version the ARMORED bears wore their armor lots, but when they fought the put OFF the armor! Made zero sense.
@trishapellis2 жыл бұрын
I'm on the fence about Miss Coulter. In the book, she's this perfect mix of beautiful and enticing and nice - the kind of person I would've wanted to accompany to the North because I could imagine having fun adventures. She made attention-starved orphan lyra believe she would give her love and attention... but as soon as her true colors show, they show for real. So what I'm on the fence about is, Nicole Kidman does the enticing attentive person you want to spend time with right but she doesn't scare me, and Ruth Wilson is absolutely scary enough but she doesn't do the enticing part as well (also because, in the book, one of the things that initially draws Lyra in is her beauty, grace and elegance... and without any intention to insult, Wilson does not compare to Kidman in that regard. I believe Wilson was chosen because the directors knew that the beautiful, graceful, enticing Coulter was only going to figure in the first few episodes, and they wanted a woman who could credibly manipulate and stand up to the Magisterium in a way we don't really see her do in the movie. There was no person available who could do both enticing and scary, and when forced to choose between the two, they picked the trait they were going to get more use out of. I personally prefer the tv series over the movie by far, but I do understand what you mean. The whimsy isn't there, because the HBO series is a series for adults. The directors have focused on bringing the plotline, expanding it in the same way that was done with American Gods and the Hunger Games before it, and they're bringing it exceptionally well - but the soul is different. The books are about magic; the series is about people.
@mckenan35782 жыл бұрын
I’m going to have to STRONGLY disagree with you about HBO’s version of Mrs. Coulter which was Brilliant in my opinion.
@nox.youtube2 жыл бұрын
This series left a lasting impression on me, I found it so magical and thought-provoking. So excited to read the third book of dust installment. Phillip Pullman is the best fiction writer to ever grace this earth
@gingerkatherina Жыл бұрын
You have such a whimsical way of making essays ❤️
@AlexCortright Жыл бұрын
So happy you enjoy 🤩
@ridendurance2 жыл бұрын
Just ran across your channel and found a kindred spirit.,, so.,, new subscriber immediately. I read this trilogy as an adult but immediately felt that sense of wonder and immersive experience I long for as a reader. I was unaware of the new HBO series but l felt the magic of the the 2007 movie. I was sorry that no other sequels were made. Was just so excited to see your channel and just how articulate you were in your video but most of all how excited you were to talk about this book series. 📚
@neptune627 Жыл бұрын
LOVED the books when I was growing up. Felt like I was transported to the best dream world. I was enamored with these books. When I found this series on HBO I couldn't believe it! I remember the movie the Golden Compass being a let down and veering away from the book. This was so true to what I remembered reading, I am so thankful to have been able to experience a little bit of that world again. Just finished season 3, lovely show and I will miss It!!!
@beyondthepage93892 жыл бұрын
Re: 6:55 ... Are you insane!!!... Ruth Wilson was an excellent choice for Mrs. Coulter. She has exceptional screen presence that you just can't teach. Nicole Kidman was good but her being a big-time Hollywood actress does not and should not detract from what Ruth Wilson brings to the screen. You've probably never seen any of her work before so I recommend that you check her out alongside Idris Elba in the BBC TV series LUTHER. After witnessing her performance in Luther, I would have cast her in anything. Ps. you probably just fancy Nicole Kidman that's all.
@cosa_oscura Жыл бұрын
I adore that feeling of a book series saving you and I’m so so so glad you found happiness in His Dark Materials 💖💖💖💖
@Keeva-sm9mg2 ай бұрын
Where i live (Ireland) the Golden Compass is always called Northern Lights. Is this just a me thing or do other people have the same copy. Edit I googled it and it does exist
@laurencreates Жыл бұрын
Northern lights/the golden compass is my favourite book of all time. My grandfather passed when I was quite young and he had a star named after him in the constellation Lyra. So I think that name first drew me in. Now my daughter is named Lyra (after the constellation). However she has so far shown much of spirit of lyra silver-tongue
@shrimboi89092 жыл бұрын
Saw Golden Compass in theatre and it was love at first sight kinda thing. Then I started reading the books. Then it was years and years of hoping someone will pick up where Golden Compass left off. Then discovered by chance His Dark Materials on HBO. I am COMPLETE!!!!
@supaflysye11 ай бұрын
Loved Ruth Wilson as Mrs Coulter loved Nicole kidman just as much as well
@nadineschefer6160 Жыл бұрын
Hey Alex! I liked how you talk about books and how they make you feel. I loved theses books so much. So I just wanted to share another author I absolutly love. You might not know him, because he's a german author, but most of his books where translated. Some are more for adults or more for children. So the authors name is Kai Meyer I started with the "Merle Trilogy", in English: Dark Reflections trilogy (The Water Mirror, The Stone Light, and The Glass World). All the trilogys are set in completly different worlds... so you can choose where you wanna travel: in a venizian-like world (the one I wrote down), on and in the oceans, in the asian clouds, in the desert, ... So maybe you will stumble across this author in some time and give it a chance.
@AlexCortright Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this! I will definitely put it on my TBR
@rikardnilsson2413 Жыл бұрын
The Golden Compass is very bad and outdated but the TV show is excellent, loved it!
@YT-mp7ei6 ай бұрын
I think the comment shows that everyone pretty much agrees that you are wrong about Ruth Wilson is not a good Marisa Coulter
@vincentvenjo2 жыл бұрын
The season 3's last episode made me cry baby. It was a happy ending but not for Lyra and Will. Can somebody stop cutting onions? 😭😭
@christophermartin57442 жыл бұрын
I agree and disagree on a handful of things, but I love hearing commentary on the series. This was lovely. With that said.... Ruth Wilson is a masterclass actor.
@iosyntropy Жыл бұрын
fantastic video. keep going. these are the kinds of ones that make a channel. keep finding red hot irons to make quality quasi-documentaries and your gold. dont put too much effort into obscure less known stuff, for now at least.