The Gray Goat rips apart a Predator 224

[@davessparetime83]

I found out the extra ribbing on the top of the block means nothing. The governor arm dropped down and the rod pushed it right into those ribs and cracked them open. The crank and the piston are different to make the longer stroke.

[@srcobra50]

Can’t wait to get one of these. Well worth the money imo for the stronger block and striker crank

[@winnreid]

I just put one on a 2” pump. It’ll push fertilizer way faster then the gx200 it replaced. The whole muffler turns red hot.

[@Buses2Bikes]

I must be insane because I think I'm the only guy who actually LIKES the look of the stock Muffler and Airbox/Carb set up. I like how they look...monolithic. They look like they are serious and mean business. I just wish their performance allowed them to remain on the motors. But if you wanna go fast....you gotta be able to breathe and those things just don't get the job done.

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

I don't like to put "labels" on people! LOL You are correct, the stock airbox and muffler are very restrictive and it is very hard to make real power with those parts.

[@joelrector5580]

He’s the Tom Brady of honda clones

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

Hey now! Thank you! I did not let any air out of my footBALLS though!

[@MR_IC]

Quick question, So I know that the predator 224 and 212 are both 70mm bores but, does the 224 have a taller deck or are they the same deck height?

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

The 224 block has a .020" taller deck height than the 212 blocks

[@MR_IC]

@@TheGrayGoatGarage thank you

[@runninupchecks]

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[@allenmcilwain8591]

I’m installing a Tillitson carb. Do I keep that plastic spacer or does it go away?

[@kennygar]

Will a Tillotson 212r cam work in this engine ???

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

Yes, both engines use the GX200/clone type cams

[@kennygar]

Thanks!!!

[@johnny5.090]

I’m building a 224 now what gasket should I use for maximum compression and have that .300 for expansion? Also I have champion rockers. Should I use those or the stock stamped?

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

Hello, I don't know! We have to maintain the .030" clearance between the top of the piston and the bottom of the head. Most 224s are close to zero deck and can use this gasket www.ombwarehouse.com/dj-1310p-27-predator-head-gasket-027-70mm/ You should measure the deck height and get the correct gasket so you don't lose any compression.

[@prostreetgsxr]

I got my first 224 with a CVT and put it on a mega Moto 80 today. It sure does vibrate a lot. Do you think the engine is that much out of balance or is it something with the CVT?

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

It may be the MM frame! Those frames were designed for smaller engines with less power. Check all of the bolts and nuts and make sure the pulleys are aligned. I use shims to get the pulleys in alignment www.ombwarehouse.com/3-4-shims-for-torque-converters-and-clutches.html

[@prostreetgsxr]

@@TheGrayGoatGarage ok thank you sir!!

[@brandonthomas8209]

I just bought 1 of these and I’m looking to get a different carburetor to put on it what do you recommend and size also I see I would also have to buy some sort of intake neck? Or just the carb bolted right onto the block any help would be appreciated

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

Carb choice is based upon what can you are using and the compression ratio. If using a stock cam am and stock compression, there is no reason not to use a non-EPA stock type carb www.ombwarehouse.com/non-epa-carburetor-for-predator-212cc-honda-gx200-6-5hp-hisun.html I would need to know more about what you are building to make a more informed decision

[@brandonthomas8209]

Sorry I’m keeping it stock besides removing governor and I’m putting on a exhaust pipe for now

[@l.a.m7645]

The side gasket is it the Hemi or Non Hemi for the 224?

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

The Hemi or Gx200 gasket is what you need

[@l.a.m7645]

@@TheGrayGoatGarage Ladt question does OMB sell the taper bolt for the oil sensor hole on 224? If not what exact size bolt is it so I can go to Hardware store. Thanks

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

@@l.a.m7645 I use a 1/4 NPT pipe plug for the low oil sensor hole. I prefer aluminum plugs but brass is also a good choice

[@nickclashez]

So is the 224 a true 224cc or just rounded off to 224cc’s … and really just a 223

[@tonyd3621]

I thought the predators that has the OHV stamped on the back were considered the HEMI engine

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

All of the engines have OHV on the valve cover. The Pred 212 Hemi has a cast aluminum rectangular shaped valve cover. That is the easiest way to identify that engine

[@philliphall5198]

Check fly wheel for being lose

[@johnbush4331]

bought the predator 224 but it's got no dowel pins in the side cover is that an issue ?

[@TheGrayGoatGarage]

Yes. That is a problem. The dowel pins properly located the can and crank. We have dowel pins here www.ombwarehouse.com/dowell-pin-solid-s-cover-8mm-gx200-clone.html