The Hardest Argument Against Veganism

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@DannyIshay 6 ай бұрын

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@LouisGedo 6 ай бұрын

*Create a Better 🌎 and a Better You by..............Living Vegan* 💜

@taintmueslix 6 ай бұрын

@@LouisGedoveganism isn't about environmental or personal benefits. please retool your marketing strategy

@Heron861 6 ай бұрын

Is this channel still going

@justababsy465 6 ай бұрын

@@Heron861Going 🌿 💪

@justababsy465 6 ай бұрын

I realize this ebook is short but you should consider turning this into an audiobook for Audible in Google Books. I already purchased the ebook but I have very little time to actually read, I tend to do audible books more often, I could totally see listening to this multiple times in any given week on my long commutes. Something to consider. Also, really enjoyed this video.

@Klaudiuszeg 6 ай бұрын

I stopped being vegan when one guy told me: - bruh jo roguean, or something And it blew me away, jo rogan bruh jo rogan, thats the argument i couldnt resist.

@ProPeasPeace 6 ай бұрын

Rogan josh is indeed a traditional dish but if you have the vegan version it's much better

@Amanredpill 6 ай бұрын

@@ProPeasPeace Toe Pagan is no good. food for the masses is never good for you.

@WhoThisMonkey 6 ай бұрын

Mmm Rogan josh. 🤤 I prefer Dhansak though, sweet and earthly at the same time.

@respectkindness-oj6xz 5 ай бұрын

@@WhoThisMonkey joe is abbreviated josh? not joel?

@user-lu6cy7hm2t Ай бұрын

i always read tschoe Rougan in the voice of Matt Damon in Team amaerica

@ItsJordaninnit 6 ай бұрын

I’m so glad this is back and longer. this is my new favourite sketch.

@Meow-mm4we 6 ай бұрын

The funny thing about the B12 supplement is, that animals have to take them too, because they can't produce them they way we are keeping them.

@thatsalt1560 Ай бұрын

Sometimes. It's best to be honest. Sometimes they need B12, not always, but I'll say this as someone who used to keep hens and whose relative and neighbour used to keep a few pigs for meat: Animals kept for producing food from their bodies get supplements. The hens wouldn't lay enough eggs if they didn't get extra vitamins and minerals, despite all the fresh food they ate. Our relative wanted strong and healthy pigs for good quality meat so the pigs also had supplements.

@russianvegangirl 6 ай бұрын

LOVE your sense of humor and sharp explanations

@matthewwilliams3827 6 ай бұрын

What sense of humour?

@ratilantgull602 6 ай бұрын

@@matthewwilliams3827 real

@danga89 6 ай бұрын

Even vegans don't get his weird, stupid, wannabe sense of irony here.

@maxiiehorus099 6 ай бұрын

Speed running debunking every carnism/ omni claims in 4 mins. We might have a new world record.👏👏👏👏

@RoidRage-yc7yg 6 ай бұрын

Debunking? He admitted that vegans can't get all the necessary nutrients without taking supplements. He debunked veganism without even realizing it.

@BloodRainbows 6 ай бұрын

@@RoidRage-yc7yg What is the argument that supplementation is a bad thing? The salt supply is supplemented with iodine and in fact animal feed in factory farms is supplemented with B12 and a host of other things. You are supplementing whether you know it or not

@Assassin99584 6 ай бұрын

@@BloodRainbowssupplements aren’t replacement for food Provide evidence animals require supplements

@Airith4 6 ай бұрын

We literally need to supplement B12 because our food is clean therefore removing traces of B12 and the bacteria that makes b12. One primary source of b12 is primarily found in poop. Would you prefer to eat poop or take those bacteria put them in an environment in a lab and take a supplement. Bacteria in both the large intestine (colon) and small intestine of humans can produce vitamin B12. But your body can't absorb B12 from the colon.

@Assassin99584 6 ай бұрын

@@Airith4the primary source of b12 is meat try again

@PauIdenino 6 ай бұрын

Your skits are underrated 😂 Please keep doing these

@timothys9288 6 ай бұрын

"Veganism is hard. You really have to know what you're doing with nutrition" - Chris Kresser, Joe Rogan Game Changer Debate vs James Wilks. "So, you know that plate with the meat, starch and vegetable? Remove the meat and add beans." Chris Kresser "Whoa".

@Gyat-x1i 5 ай бұрын

How meat eaters feel after saying we need supplements to thrive on a vegan diet:(their meat is supplemented too)

@Barnaclebeard 6 ай бұрын

These ads are just killing. Sincerely, great work.

@roku3216 6 ай бұрын

The milky sweats made me laugh till my eyes watered.

@uog293 4 ай бұрын

We need a playlist of just these

@danga89 6 ай бұрын

I was anxiously waiting for part 2. Brilliant, Danny.

@qwerty-tv9wc 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I get all this, but dog meat has all the vitamins and minerałs humans need to live

@Cancellator5000 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, same with free range human. The most bioavailable food out there and I hear it smells just as good on a BBQ if you prep the meat well according to reddit.

@michaelhoile1369 6 ай бұрын

And tastes even sweeter than pork . But you need to use a lower temperature because human flesh burns easily 😮😮😮😮@Cancellator5000

@Devon_maloy 6 ай бұрын

My neighbours ate dogs for years after WWII

@ceeemm1901 23 күн бұрын

Vit C.....

@dipmondal8896 6 ай бұрын

Don't stop uploading this series🤣🤣✌️

@falsificationism 6 ай бұрын

Just went on an epic little JER-NEE there 🤣

@WhoThisMonkey 6 ай бұрын

Every single one of these arguments was presented to me at length on a forum I used to frequent. I answered the same. Their response was to start acting like theists when debating against rational people. And these were people that were usually intellectually honest, it highlighted to me the double standard of these people I had been speaking to for years. I sent a AI generated picture of a black cat with a cowboy hat walking into the sunset and never returned.

@Domn879 6 ай бұрын

Wow, teach me to be as awesome as you!

@NoInjusticeLastsForever 6 ай бұрын

So much dripping by the meatflake. He was so owned by the vegan.

@Assassin99584 6 ай бұрын

Nice snowflake compensation Still no arguments

@Airith4 6 ай бұрын

@@Assassin99584 apparently you didn't watch the video

@Airith4 6 ай бұрын

@@Assassin99584address the arguments in the video if you are so smart please.

@RoidRage-yc7yg 6 ай бұрын

@@Airith4 The vegan admitted in the video that vegans can't get adequate nutrition without supplements. If you can't get adequate nutrition on a vegan diet without supplements then I am not going to be vegan. There is nothing more that needs to be addressed.

@Assassin99584 6 ай бұрын

@@Airith4there’s no arguments in this video just cope He conceded a vegan diet requires supplements therefore its unhealthy

@lionstho 6 ай бұрын

Excellent work as always- thanks for making 👏

@irish_deconstruction 6 ай бұрын

The argument that really did it for me for was "seed oils tho". That ended my whole vegan career.

@MrBKings 6 ай бұрын

You are so good at making these. I love it, thank you.

@catrina69 6 ай бұрын

I love the line “then be vegan except for cheese”! Just start making the changes and don’t think it has to be a painful all or nothing process. I’m a vegan that still wanted to have something with cheese at least once or twice a week. Over time I started desiring it less and less.

@StoicPhilosophyHub-28 6 ай бұрын

To be honest, I wanna be raw vegan one day or plan to be wanna do a juice fast first when I have more money. I figured humans are designed to be frutarian etc similar. ( Albert inestine / Nikola tesla ) both said that thought the whole killing process was wrong wich really made me think about going vegan alot more

@braveintofuture 6 ай бұрын

Best season finale ever

@DannyIshay 6 ай бұрын

Part 3 soon

@Barnaclebeard 6 ай бұрын

@@DannyIshay You spoil us

@miecha4445 6 ай бұрын

" So if God came down and said it's moral to kill your family you would consider that moral?" God ordered Abraham to kill his son and only stopped him at the last second, so I think unfortunately a lot of religious folk would just say yes to this.

@Barnaclebeard 6 ай бұрын

Because a character in the Bible did once? I think this is where the vast majority of religious folk's faith would be tested.

@ceeemm1901 23 күн бұрын

Read Genesis 19:30-39......and then say you live by the bible....I dare you.

@EvoSporthorses 6 ай бұрын

Brilliant! And pleasure to meet you at VCO yesterday. "Mouse"

@GeeBee1261 6 ай бұрын

I love it. Great job!!!

@TheBigfoot2013 6 ай бұрын

Good work, Danny!

@derektilley669 2 ай бұрын

This video is my favorite part of thanksgiving

@GDeNofa 6 ай бұрын

1:48 I was not expecting that 😂

@jamesworley9888 6 ай бұрын

I wish it was that simple to convince people, like you wouldn't believe.

@ceeemm1901 24 күн бұрын

Look on the bright side. Speechless is better than gormless...

@HEWHOISINME1JOHN44 6 ай бұрын

The Bible isn’t pro meat eating I don’t know why people assume that. The Bible says in Genesis before the flood we were not allowed to eat meat. It’s not a sin either way but it was never Gods original intention. It was only allowed after the flood.

@TomeRodrigo 6 ай бұрын

This is good type of videos.

@helix3955 6 ай бұрын

I felt something

@spirulina3924 6 ай бұрын

love it! thank you 💚

@rischerasche8769 6 ай бұрын

this is excellent

@suicune2001 6 ай бұрын

I'm loving these!!! 😂😂😂😂

@melusine826 6 ай бұрын

Do the keto carnivores who do it for health

@Domn879 6 ай бұрын

Do you mean people for whom an animal based diet fixes a host of debilitating conditions? What would you say to them?

@cazzawazzadingdong5139 6 ай бұрын

@@Domn879 Do you mean people for whom an animal based diet temporarily fixes a host of debilitating conditions at a long term expense? They are band aid solutions. Even the creators of keto ( Epilepsy diet) warned that this diet was made for those suffering from debilitating daily seizures and would eventually have potential devastating side effects long term. These are not diets for the general population to adopt because they have curable Dybiosis and then further wreak havic on there already comprimised gut intestinal wall and microbiome leading to DNA changes and disease pathways.

@Domn879 6 ай бұрын

@@cazzawazzadingdong5139 And how does one fix such dysbiosis? I really, really want to know.

@ceeemm1901 23 күн бұрын

@@Domn879 With a dysbiosis machine. Or maybe just not eat animal products which are known to only produce negative gut bacteria. Ever thought of maybe looking it up on the internet? Get mommy to help you.

@Domn879 23 күн бұрын

@ I see. You don't know but you just being childish and mean. My mom died a few months ago, so I can't ask her anything. Do you really think I haven't researched and experimented to try and fix what causes me chronic pain?

@Now4extinction 6 ай бұрын

ONLY *VEGAN CHEESE 🖤✊🤍✌️✨🌱💪💯 #VEGANISM #ANIMALRIGHTS #ANIMALLIBERATION #ANTIVEGAN #GOVEGAN

@ratilantgull602 6 ай бұрын

Eat your vegan cheese I’ll eat my real cheese

@Now4extinction 6 ай бұрын

@@ratilantgull602 it's not about just our preference, behind cows breastmilk is a mother cow, a bull, and multipple forcibleimoregnation babies, and most of the bulls are (ab)used for veal

@ratilantgull602 6 ай бұрын

@@Now4extinction you eat plants your a killer

@jessicanissan4385 6 ай бұрын

this is too good, hell ya

@Lazmanian 6 ай бұрын

Great content as always but plz don't encourage ppl to call themselves "vegan except for cheese". Obviously it's a joke, but there's already enough ppl out there confused about the difference between being against animal cruelty and eating a plant-based diet or being vegetarian.

@adiohead 6 ай бұрын

Was about to say this.

@Assassin99584 6 ай бұрын

Cruelty tho Hypocrite

@DannyIshay 6 ай бұрын

It’s just to call their bluff it’s not serious lol. People who say “I’d go vegan but cheese” are usually BSing (from my experience lol)

@PauIdenino 6 ай бұрын

It's still better than eating other animal products as well

@velvet_bass 6 ай бұрын

Why not encourage improvements rather than all or nothing. Not all vegans went 100% vegan immediately. Many made slow transitions and learned as they went. Any adjustments towards lessening suffering is better than none. I think being more pragmatic and realistic and less stubborn about the specifics will help bring more people to our cause and make them more sympathetic to making any changes at all.

@jgreen9361 28 күн бұрын

1:34 Genesis 1:29. “I have given you every plant yielding seed that is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit; you shall have them for food”. Or there is the food of “fallen” sinful man. But, why would you choose the food of sinful man in 2025? In a large supermarket there is a very large selection of seeds, fruits from trees, nuts, legumes, grains from all parts of the face of the Earth. A modern day harvest from the Garden of Eden.

@coertvisser9120 6 ай бұрын

So good

@ember9747 6 ай бұрын

How about the argument that you would miss out on all the unidentified beneficial compounds in animal products? You can only supplement that which is identified Also, great video. Really convincing and succinct debunks

@jonirischx8925 6 ай бұрын

1. Harmful thing X may have unintended positive consequences. 2. The possible positives are unknown, but the harm is known. 3. Should I keep doing, or begin X? If X is smoking cigarettes, and the benefit is meeting the love of your life on a smoke break, everybody would see how dumb it would be to use this logic to defend smoking.

@shinkyouma9058 6 ай бұрын

I would ask if these unknown compounds are so beneficial that you need to worry about missing out on them then why do prospective cohort studies show improved health outcomes like reduced mortality when you eliminate animal products whereas we consistently see health benefits when increasing consumption of vegetables, fruit, whole grains and legumes? Basically all of the known beneficial compounds like taurine and DHA and EPA have plant based supplements available

@ember9747 6 ай бұрын

@@jonirischx8925 I agree my argument is not sufficient in itself to justify animal cruelty, depending on how much you value animal wellbeing. Just like it is a valid argument for smoking - you meet new people on smoke breaks - but it's not sufficient on its own to make smoking a net positive.

@ember9747 6 ай бұрын

@@shinkyouma9058 The unknown compounds are definitely not "crucial" for health, but I bet they are slightly better. Though I admit I value "slightly better health" much more than the average person. But it's still a benefit of eating whole animal foods. The epidemiological data does indicate plant based diets have better outcomes, but there's a ton of counfounding variables like healthy user bias and the animal-inclusive diets include unhealthy animal products like hotdogs and hamburgers. I'm not advocating for health benefits of processed animal products, just the unprocessed ones.

@JordiRSamano 6 ай бұрын

2:42 Gotem!

@oregonwoodelf 6 ай бұрын

Yeah but!

@ratilantgull602 6 ай бұрын

You eat plants your a killer

@Blastoisiken 6 ай бұрын

Um actually in my made up fantasy land that will never happen all the cows would eat pasture grass and this would be entirely enough to sustain the populations current consumption of animal products. And before you ask, no, I don't do clown work.

@catrina69 6 ай бұрын

Whenever someone talks about their fantasy of all regenerative and pasture grass fed animal agriculture I love to point out that would mean we’d have to greatly reduce the consumption. So yes, let’s do that!!

@Domn879 6 ай бұрын

Yes much better to have a sick, fat swollen population living on gruel.

@miecha4445 6 ай бұрын

@@Domn879Wow the beef lobby really got into your head

@age-of-adventure 6 ай бұрын

Who said sequels aren’t better than original 😂😂😂

@bestgameryeah3044 2 ай бұрын

1:35 Yes I would

@stevestann595 6 ай бұрын

Why are you sweating milk?

@davidquimper 6 ай бұрын

Excellent video, as usual 🙂 By the way "God" tells humans to eat plants (Genesis 1:29). Humans are ingeneered to be optimal on a Whole plant based diet.

@Assassin99584 6 ай бұрын

Humans are biological omnivores God doesn’t exist

@Fedaygin 6 ай бұрын

Yeah & "God" ✅

@vwlisa 6 ай бұрын

I’m confused. How many bibles are there ? Or is it just personal interpretation ? There are so many religious people always arguing “God” says to kill and eat animals.

@Deifiable 6 ай бұрын

Seriously though, if you can't go completely vegan, or are unwilling to give up cheese (or whatever it may be for you), doing what you can is still WAY better than doing nothing. This is not a binary thing where you're if you're a full-on vegan you get a halo around your head but if you're someone who eats meat once a week then you're just as destructive to animals and the environment as the average person. Reducing matters!

@cjbartoz 5 ай бұрын

Name change: Lifting Vegan Ilogic

@megustAslagt 6 ай бұрын

As a pescetarian I appreciate the "then be vegan with cheese" argument. I'm slowly making my diet more plant based, but cutting out things that I really like too early makes it difficult to eat enough calories and nutrients. Instead, I prefer to experiment with vegan foods, and when I find something I really like I make it more often, making me eat less and less non-vegan foods over time

@ScheveSneeuwSchuifSchep 6 ай бұрын

Better to have a 1000 "bad" vegans than a 100 "good" ones! Good luck on your journey!

@megustAslagt 6 ай бұрын

@randomgal269 I'll keep going trying to lower my animal-based product intake, but just a hard and honest truth: your comment is actively putting me off of doing so. It's comments like these that give vegans a bad name in general and caused the carnivore diet to gain traction as an anti-vegan movement.

@RAR8666 6 ай бұрын

@@megustAslagt ''A vegan was *mean* to me, therefore I will keep on hurting animals''.

@megustAslagt 6 ай бұрын

@@RAR8666 just a question on what you find more important: a well gate-kept community of people who strongly oppose all exploitation of animals, or an actual decrease in the exploitation of animals? Because right now, just as the other person I responded to, you seem to find the first option more important.

@cazzawazzadingdong5139 6 ай бұрын

My partner was pescitarian for a number of yeras. What helped them understand the bigger picture was watching sespiracy. Good luck to you on your jouney. ☮☮💚💚

@cmwmusic8130 6 ай бұрын

Your videos are great. I’m full carnivore now and they inspire me to eat meat harder every day 😀👍

@Burner_269 6 ай бұрын

So, how do you personally attempt to morally “justify” supporting or your direct involvement in the breeding, exploitation, mutilation, abuse and killing, taking all they are or could ever be, that is required to provide you with animal “products” that you do not need?

@cmwmusic8130 6 ай бұрын

@@Burner_269 You’re in a cult. Why don’t I need them?

@Burner_269 6 ай бұрын

@@cmwmusic8130 Animal sacrifices multiple times a year (Christmas, thanksgiving etc), killing literal babies, billions per year, so they can eat their bodies, buying powdered animal organs, indoctrination from birth, mindless defence of all that barbarity with pseudoscience nonsense, obstinate and irrational wilful ignorance or outright denial of the brutal exploitation, abuse, mutilation, violence and cruelty that is the reality of their choices, exploiting these animals reproductive systems and killing these innocent gentle beings all for “products”we don't need and all for sensory pleasure. Or compassion for other living beings, speaking out and fighting for the rights of said beings using logic, empathy and scientific data. Be honest, which sounds more like a cult? Please provide a list of the essential nutrients that it is impossible to get without consuming animal products.

@Domn879 6 ай бұрын

@@Burner_269 just reposting my comment from outside this thread: Plants make me sick, to the point I cannot function. So it’s kind of me or the cow. Some days I think about choosing the cow, I hate my dysfunctional body. Until that day, I’m just trying to eat beef where I can see how the cows live until they are slaughtered. Fortunately that’s easy where I live, but if I could eat plants and be healthy I would eat just plants.

@Burner_269 6 ай бұрын

@@Domn879 This is something we hear all the time so it is hard to not be a bit cynical, especially when you are replying in other threads exactly like any other troll. To WhoThisMonkey who was explaining how they dealt with real life anti vegans, you replied. "Wow, teach me to be as awesome as you!" Now you could be being serious, but then you responded to another vegans comment with. "Yes much better to have a sick, fat swollen population living on gruel." Which sounds like a line Piers Morgan would come out with. So would you be happy if you could just eat plants or would you be “living on gruel"? But let’s take you at your word and assume, as you claim, that you have done all you can to try and be healthy on non animal foods but you have a serious reaction to all types of plants, every single one, why did you go straight for the cow? Am i right in assuming you are also allergic to shell fish, mushrooms and supplements too? If you are being honest and not just being totally disingenuous then that is a horrific situation to be in, for the animals and you. I am also not sure why you shared this, tragically unfortunate though it is, the situation you claim to be in is one that a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population and in no way a common representation of the human race, or in any way an argument against the core principal of veganism. If true, you are doing what you need to for your survival which in no way justifies anyone else not in that exact position to do likewise.

@thedapperturkey 6 ай бұрын

I hqve no issue with veganism but also I would love to see a debate against an actual person instead of a skit strawman. It would be interesting

@KurokamiNajimi 6 ай бұрын

My argument is I don’t see a reason to value the lives (at least enough to inconvenience myself) of any beings comparable to animals so that would include disabled adults and 3 year olds or so I can see the argument that it’s arguably stupid to worry about taste pleasure but it loops back to how much value these beings have in the first place. I don’t eat a ton of animal products I agree with the health benefits of following a mostly whole foods plant dominant diet but occasionally there’s products I like to have that used milk or eggs Then there’s stuff that should be vegan on paper but aren’t like cereals using animal source of vitamin D etc. If there was easier access to vegan alternatives that weren’t overpriced and tasted similar then sure I wouldn’t use those products

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos 6 ай бұрын

I think the last paragraph makes sense. It's ego-centered and mentally weak, but I would accept that. The first part "requiring an argument to value their lives" is strange. 4 points about that: (a) With the same argument someone could argue for every specific form of slavery that existed, the holocaust, ... . Your argument is essentially what you value not what's moral to do. That's just egoism. (b) I'm really not sure that you wouldn't argue against eating 3-year-olds or some disabled adults. I think people are intuitively against that. And I suspect it's likely you have this position in this comment to defend your behaviour not because you have that value system ("eating 3-year-olds is fine with me including treating them like the livestock I consume") in reality. (c) So far you're asking only about a consistency argument. That's the reason you mentioned disabled and 3-year-olds. What about the logical consistency not of the value system, but consistency of your argument (see (a)). Are you fine with others using your argument and reaching those other conclusions or do you think something is wrong with your thinking when you should care? (d) In science a model does not only need consistency to be predictive. It must also be simple (in a precise sense - intuitively Occam's razor). A moral system should be consistent with science. Therefore (and for a different reason) we should prefer simple moral systems over complex ones. Have you thought about your value system in that way?

@KurokamiNajimi 6 ай бұрын

@@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos A Holocaust and slavery were with people who meet the intellect/sentience threshold. B Yes C up to the individual. D not really understanding how this is relevant this is just You should focus more on why these beings have value. Even most vegans don’t care much about fish for example, most people don’t care about a 3 month old fetus (they care about letting the fetus grow up but usually not the fetus itself that’s why abortion up till say 6 months is debated but tends to be illegal after that). My argument is just an extension of that and I don’t think most people really care about beings at this level it’s just that they care about humans due to bias towards their own species I say this because I don’t think most aren’t vegan because of indoctrination I think it’s just that they’re bad at coming up with logical and consistent arguments

@KurokamiNajimi 6 ай бұрын

⁠Comment gets deleted if I include your name. A Holocaust and slavery were with people who meet the intellect/sentience threshold. B Yes C up to the individual. D not really understanding how this is relevant this is just You should focus more on why these beings have value. Even most vegans don’t care much about fish for example, most people don’t care about a 3 month old fetus (they care about letting the fetus grow up but usually not the fetus itself that’s why abortion up till say 6 months is debated but tends to be illegal after that). My argument is just an extension of that and I don’t think most people really care about beings at this level it’s just that they care about humans due to bias towards their own species I say this because I don’t think most aren’t vegan because of indoctrination I think it’s just that they’re bad at coming up with logical and consistent arguments

@KurokamiNajimi 6 ай бұрын

To A Holo and slavery were with people who meet the intellect/sentience threshold. B Yes C up to the individual. D not really understanding how this is relevant this is just You should focus more on why these beings have value. Even most vegans don’t care much about fish for example, most people don’t care about a 3 month old fetus (they care about letting the fetus grow up but usually not the fetus itself that’s why abor up till say 6 months is debated but tends to be illegal after that). My argument is just an extension of that and I don’t think most people really care about beings at this level it’s just that they care about humans due to bias towards their own species I say this because I don’t think most aren’t vegan because of indoctrination I think it’s just that they’re bad at coming up with logical and consistent arguments

@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos 6 ай бұрын

@@KurokamiNajimi (a) They argued with sentience and intelligence when justifying slavery (less developed society, ...). It is very cherry picked to make intelligence the determining factor and the level you use is determined for you to justify your current actions. So it's a problem with (d). (b) That was not a question/statement where a yes/no-answer makes sense. (c) Logic is not really up to the individual. The only personal I asked you if you thought about it. And it does not really make sense to answer that "up to the individual". (d) What's scientifically true is obviously important in ethics. So your strategy to find your values have to be consistent with the method to find truth in science. What do you know about how science determines what's (most likely) true? (e) What you value or if you care about animals/... is irrelevant to ethics. It's just egoism in disguise. (f) The fetus remark is completely different topic. I don't argue you should not be allowed to kill an animal to remove it from using your body (parasites, ...). The topic is killing and abusing animals for sensory pleasure. Nobody kills or abuses a fetus for sensory pleasure and nobody is arguing this should be okay. The last paragraph says: Non-vegans are not indoctrinated Non-vegans can't form consistent logical arguments that's because they are non-vegan. Did you want to say that?

@vegannafraali 6 ай бұрын

Be vegan! 🌱

@ratilantgull602 6 ай бұрын

@ceeemm1901 23 күн бұрын

@ratilantgull602 "No"...is that it? Dude that's so creative! I bet you even grunted that out...Hahaha.

@Mesterjakel7 6 ай бұрын

TOO GOOD🤣

@someguy2135 6 ай бұрын

Your videos keep getting better and better! How can they get any better than this one though?

@SavannahRayReynolds 6 ай бұрын

lol good one 🤍✨

@ratilantgull602 6 ай бұрын

You eat plants your a killer

@ceeemm1901 23 күн бұрын

@ratilantgull602 You don't eat plants "you're" illiterate.......

@ElvenClaw 6 ай бұрын

Epic bro 😎

@patbarr4140 6 ай бұрын

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@flattlandermontgomery1524 6 ай бұрын

Go vegan except for cheese. OMG brilliant really. In the meantime watch a bunch of dairy industry documentaries. Start with Dairy is Scary and if you don't want to watch the whole thing when you put it in the search, you will find at the top of the search a brilliant recap. (If you do the search in KZbin, I don't know about Google)

@phranchesskahr 4 ай бұрын

Great video, but In the Bible, God never said it was moral to eat animals. The moral law says do not kill. He told Adam and Eve to eat plants and He promises that in heaven and the New Earth everyone will be plant eaters again. He allowed Noah to eat animals after the flood when presumably there was no vegetation