The human shadows in Hiroshima were caused by thermal radiation? -

[@WorldWarTwo]

This question comes from dancallan7907, thank you for the question.

[@rocko7711]

Wow

[@nowthenzen]

How grim this is a valid topic to discuss

[@Rotorhead1651]

In the military we called it "pink mist", but patently this was far faster and more complete.

[@KA-jm2cz]

Thanks for a good question. We are such a clever animals! If it start to feel grim tjink about that way that everybody dies but others don't even left a shadow here.

[@JimmyMatis-h9y]

@WorldWarTwo does IR radiation bleach materials? I don't believe Infrared has enough energy to break the bonds that give molecules color. UV and above (or chemical oxidizers like bleach) do have enough energy to reorganize bonds. any thoughts? ty

[@RetroMaticGamer]

Me: Oh, it wasn't that bad? Him: No, it was much worse.

[@nadjasunflower1387]

yeah...only if you're watching it happen. it was still an instantaneous death, that was never felt. by the time your thinking " what was that " to the bright flash, your already gone...

[@myishacherry7242]

​@nadjasunflower1387 How do you know if they felt it or not? Just because it is so fast, does not mean victims don't actually FEEL it , even if just a millisecond or less! instantaneous though it may be it's still awful and you have no authority to aay HOW it felt to someone who died that way. The ONLY ones who could possibly give an accurate account of exactly how that feels, cannot ever tell.....

[@yuukibr5959]

@@myishacherry7242the brain wouldnt have enough time to even register it

[@aryasatya2626]

​@@myishacherry7242ever touched something hot accidentally before and your hand reflexes moving the hand away? Just like that, your brain won't have any time to process the pain it's just happen like that, instant dismembered.

[@lntcmusik]

Sure you can. Look, your pain is transmitted via pain receptors. These vary considerably, but have a maximum speed of around 60 metres per second. That is, of course, fast. And then look at how fast the shock wave is that emanates from the thermonuclear device. That depends on how far away you are. So if you are standing a few hundred metres away, the shock wave will reach you at around 1,000 kilometres per second. Not even our fastest nerve can keep up with that at around 120 metres per second. If you are further away, however, the shock wave quickly slows down. But that depends on many things, like the strength of the bomb, where it detonates, and other things. But even then, depending on the variables, the shock wave will easily reach over 300 metres per second. That means, no, in this configuration you will not feel any pain. ​@@myishacherry7242

[@MattStanton1999]

I was somewhat okay until it was described as "total body dismemberment" and the horrors of this became so much worse.

[@lesliefranklin1870]

Philosophical questions: 1. Is this worse than being incinerated in a Tokyo fire bombing? 2. Is this worse than being sexually assaulted and bayonetted in Nanjing? War, in itself is horrific.

[@V77710]

This is the same term used to describe the death of those men who went on that submersible to the Titanic

[@samsonsoturian6013]

There are so many videogame references that could be made here......

[@jic1]

@@lesliefranklin1870 Not to mention, is this worse than the dozens (if not hundreds) of 'Stalingrads' that the Japanese campaign would have entailed?

[@JourneyJunkies00]

Visit

[@mamawvondak]

My father was part of the reconstruction troops that were sent in fairly soon afterwards to occupy and rebuild. He once told me, not long before he passed, that he saw a person melted into the wall of a movie theater. The mother of the person was bowing to the wall and wailing and grabbing his arm to pull him towards the image. He didn’t understand what she was trying to tell him and thought she’d just lost it. One of the translators was walking by and saw the commotion and translated. She was saying “That’s my daughter! Please don’t take her away with the building!” Dad and others were staring and trying to understand that what they were looking at was human. Dad said one of his shipmates threw up. They gathered up the woman and called in a crew and cut the wall around the person and covered her once she/the wall were on the ground. Dad and 6 others carried it, the whole piece, and followed the woman for 3 miles to what was left of her home and offered to bury the wall/woman. She declined and said “You’ve done enough.” The weight of all my father had seen, and of that woman’s pain, and last words to him, has sat with me ever since.

[@notamemethememe589]

That is brutal and very tragic 😥

[@madfoot]

That was horrifying to read, much worse to have witnessed.

[@christyviolet926]

Horrific. I feel sad & some guilt over how so innocent Japanese people died, paid the price for that war, or lived to suffer for however long.

[@QuinnieMae]

That was incredibly terrible. But it was also exquisitely beautiful to read of your father and the others showing that empathy and respect for the mother's child. It made me cry as I'm sure it undoubtedly did to others that read it and saw in their mind's eye. Thank you for sharing it. 🕊️

[@sydlawson3181]

damn... there are no words

[@thoseradstars]

And this is why my great grandpa refused to talk about the war and hated the guys who would brag about their time in service, as if it were the “good ol’ days.” It was horrifying to him.

[@509Gman]

Most braggarts never did the shit they boast about.

[@UhtredOfBamburgh]

maybe gramps was a war criminal and lives in paranoia

[@MidTennPews]

Sounds like he had a personal problem to work through but never did. People feel so sorry for the Japanese yet forget all atrocities they committed leading up to August of 45. People forget their refusal to surrender even when beaten into submission. People forget the Japanese government was willing to sacrifice every man, woman and child to continue the fight. No sympathy.

[@farqilion8747]

@@MidTennPews dude your country f-in NUKED peaceful cities which never had anyone but civilians in them, only to show the world the power they had. That's literally the definition of war crime yet you're still delusional enough to try and justify that shit

[@johnprotagonist7296]

​@@MidTennPews you talk about "the japanese" like they are a single entity or a hivemind. The people who died in the bomb where mostly civillians. How would you like "the americans" to be punished for vietnam or iran by bombing a random city in texas? Or "the british" by nuking york for their crimes against ireland?

[@mattshu]

Dude ever since being taught about this high school nobody could ever explain this shadow phenomenon to me but THIS. THIS did it. Thank you for scratching that 20-year itch

[@WorldWarTwo]

Thank you for your comment. -Timeghost Ambassador

[@pillred5974]

I think you meant scratching that 20-year itch lol.

[@mattshu]

@@pillred5974 lmao ty

[@pillred5974]

@@mattshu No problem.

[@TylerDobbs-g5u]

Yeah its bleaching everything without a shadow, never thought about it that way.

[@Mike-bx4ww]

They were the Lucky Ones. I know that sounds Harsh but I think the people that survived for a few days suffered much Much worse 😢

[@annaairahala9462]

yes, they would have for sure.

[@lalannej]

Unfortunately true.

[@__0_0__]

まぶたも唇も失い、焼け剥がれた皮膚を引きずりながら、耐えかねる渇きに水を求めて這いずり回るうちに死ぬ。 自分の身に置き換えては考えたくもない最期ですが、蒸発した人より、そういった人の方が多かった。 あれは兵器ではなく、地獄を現世に現すものです。

[@Mike-bx4ww]

@@__0_0__ Even though I lived in Japan in 1976-77, I can't read Konji 😞🥴

[@shiny2423]

😢​@@__0_0__

[@ctswag4204]

I visited Hiroshima and went in the museum there. They have a section of a building on display with one of the shadows burned in. It's hard to comprehend how horrific the effects of the bomb were.

[@payaso216]

Womp womp

[@ratilantgull602]

@@payaso216womp womp is crazy bro 😂

[@uamsnof]

I went there too. One of the most haunting experiences of my life.

[@СемёнМуратов-о4б]

​​@@payaso216your clown pfp is perfect

[@rorschach775]

The only descriptions i heard from people that helped me understand it were comparisons to the sun. Like oh it's a power more dangerous than the entire earth. It's hard to imagine when people say a nuclear war would end the world but it's easier to imagine what would happen if the sun went super nova and swallowed the planet.

[@nyphrodel]

Thank you. When acts of war; such as this, start to fade from memory, they can more easily become forgotten, and ultimately, repeated. It is incredibly important that each generation is taught about the horrors of war. By teaching people about the graphic details of these horrible acts, we may just be able to stop another war like this from ever happening again.

[@amiratazkia]

have you seen what's happening in Palestine for more than a year?

[@KickAss5671]

Sadly, we don't need to be reminded.. we can see it happening live in the middle east and the east. Coming soon to a home near you..

[@huntery3568]

I once got to talk to a survivor of the bomb. She had been wearing a shirt with black and white horizontal stripes, and the black stripes were melted into her body while the white parts were burnt away.

[@beatnik6806]

Interesting.. Did you get an explanation why did that happen?

[@Garnerian]

​@beatnik6806 I would presume it was do to the way light works?.. Black absorbs more energy, and white reflects it. Could be wrong though, that's just the first thing that comes to mind for me.

[@osmacar5331]

​@@Garnerian and you'd be correct. Though i think the lady in question has misinterpreted the situation, the black would have burnt away and white melted in because of black absorbing more, it heats up faster, less time to melt. But that's just going on the colour not materials.

[@steve-qc8hd]

the different heat / thermal absorption of burns on skin due to the colour of fabric is an observable fact in many heat related incidents, and stripped burn patterns were recorded during the A bombing and during the March 10th fire bombing of Tokyo, more common on women because men tended to wear the solid colour kokumin-fuku. It was also observed during attacks on cities in Germany like Hamburg. It is also why flash hoods for naval gunnery crews and fire suits for Damage Control, air crew rescue, fire suppression are white, but similar differential scorching has always occurred in steel industry, and even in electrical flash over.

[@steve-qc8hd]

@@osmacar5331 Yes the white actually reflects heat and thus doesn't heat up to the point of melting. It is the reason why many airliners historically had white roofs on high flying planes to reflect intense solar heat, even trams and buses had white roofs well into the 1990s -to deflect summer heat in a time when Air con was not a design feature.

[@bbryant2485]

The suffering of the survivors had to be beyond comprehension. Lets pray this doesn't happen again.

[@captainseyepatch3879]

My grandfather just turns 92. And was about 800m from ground zero. Everyone he knows is gone now. He's had cancer twice. And he's the most gentle caring person I've ever met. He was just a 12 year old kid at the time, I can't even imagine.

[@AJ_ilyas]

i started to genuinely pray but it's frustrating, isn't it-- it *is* happening.

[@sugar-and-stardust]

It is, unfortunately

[@catdownthestreet]

I don't believe in much, but this I will pray for. It sucks that no matter how much I try to believe in the beauty of human life, the world always does its best to prove me wrong

[@cienfu_egos]

let's pray your country doesn't do it again**

[@RayPierreWhit607]

I didn’t need to see or hear this today. Then again, maybe everyone needs to see and hear this.

[@RuthShelton-ou4id]

We are so close to WW3 it isn't funny. No one stops to think of all of the 'stuff' (hidden underground bombs ect. that will also be exploded in that Nuke Flash ...or...the deadly cloud radiation that would follow. Those dieing in the blast will be far luckier than those who will die from the radiation. Those who start the 'war' who think they're far above civilians and who will jump in their bunker's -- sooner or latter will 'HAVE' to leave their bunker's. They'll be in the same 'boat' WE were in only worse. Yeah they'll think they're 'safe' while wearing their radiation suites to check the damage but they're not informed that those 'suites' are only good for 12 hrs-- if that. No one really 'wins' a war -- especially the warfare of today with NUKES. That's pray we can use our brains for good instead of bad. (26 yr Army Combat Vet here last job ammo/explosives & many top security clearances)

[@tinabuggert]

May our God have mercy on the sinfulness of our world!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@nichmon3221]

I nyself think people do need to hear this so that we can prevent it in the future.

[@nombreapellido9038]

I hope man has the intelligence to understand the horrors and ramifications of letting this happen again. I also hope man has the emotional capacity to always remember and discuss it.

[@tonyfelice1187]

Hopefully the powers that be will realise that peace and reconciliation is much better than war, but evidently history hasn’t taught humankind anything! We only have to look at what’s happening in Gaza in the Middle East and Ukraine.

[@davecrupel2817]

If you have to do shorts, this is the way to do them. No stupid music. No dramatic effects or editing. No rushed speaking. No fast forwarding. No cutting out every sliver of video that doesn't have someone speaking in it. None of the things that make shorts bad. This is how you do a short. And i deeply appreciate you for it, good sir.

[@CC3193]

And not that idiotic fake robotic voice! Or pointing up while staring moodily at the camera 👆🏻

[@AdeptusChaoticus]

I read a good quote that talked about what happens to people when there is an explosion or any catastrophic event. The human body stops being biology and starts becoming physics.

[@weirdoartistw.a2934]

“The human body stops being biology and starts becoming physics.” That is simultaneously the most horrific and realest sentence I’ve ever read

[@Dominic-me2zb]

Xkcd's "What if" about a baseball thrown at the speed of light if you're interested Edit: That's just dead wrong lol, listen to @alec1964 it was the sun laser one

[@aleca1964]

@@Dominic-me2zb i looked it up and it's not that one, it's the one about the sun's energy being condensed into a 1m wide laser beam

[@neirinski]

That also describes human beings in late stage capitalism

[@Dominic-me2zb]

@@aleca1964 I actually looked it up later and realized I was wrong but forgot to come correct myself, thanks :)

[@caiobortoletto4363]

I just want everyone to know that there are paintings from survivors that depict burning people jumping into rivers only to discover that the river water was boiling.

[@plaguepandemic5651]

To me the most horrifying stories were of the people who had the worst thirst of their entire lives due to the extreme heat and contamination, and who drank the river water even as it was filled with melting corpses

[@riffgroove]

At the museum in Hiroshima, there is a gaff hook on the end of a 5 foot pole on display. That one, and many others like it, were used by survivors to pull all of the dead bodies out of the water

[@charlesschauer8927]

OmG

[@realoneabdullahi1455]

Humanity at it's worst and yet we never learned 😢

[@happyapple4269]

​@realoneabdullahi1455 it has put an end to all world wars. There will never be another one because of nuclear weapons no matter what they say.

[@TheBuzzard42]

How did anyone who witnessed this go on to live anything resembling a normal life? I can't even imagine the horrors they saw, and worse, they were brand new horrors to the world. The survivors, I must admit, are a million times stringer than I could ever aspire to be.

[@irenafarm]

The human soul has unimaginable depths of resilience. Particularly if nurtured by community. I hope there’s a future where no person deliberately inflicts such suffering on another, ever again.

[@missmelisa1823]

I would imagine, they were haunted.

[@vickysterling3342]

My middle school graduation paper, swindled child that i was, had been on how """justified""" the bomb was. "The only way to end the war." Yeah right. Truman's generals and advisors told him japan was on the cusp of surrendering. He lied to his closest friends, one of my great-grandmothers included. My mom still believes what this ancestor passed down, that truman felt horrible. Well he should feel horrible. The atomic bombs were among the worst things humanity has ever wrought. Truman is burning in hell as we speak and he deserves an eternity of it. My stomach lurches like i am falling from a great height every time i remember the shadows. The survivors are stronger than truman could ever hope to have been. Those who didnt survive, even more so. May they rest easy.

[@honolulublues5548]

​​@@vickysterling3342 you are misguided in your analysis of the situation. Believing Japan was on the cusp of surrendering is a fairytale at best based on a story a relative told you with no proof that it took place. It is estimated that 32 million additional lives would have been lost if the bombs were not used as the war would have continued and Japan would have fought to the last man. In addition, you are under the assumption that atomic weapons would not have been developed by other nations if the US doesn't use these two. That is a falsehood. The Soviet Union was in development of their own at the same time using the same scientific pool the US used. We most likely would still be in the same situation or worse if the US had not used them.

[@PhunkyMunky10]

War is horror… all of it. Nukes included, but thank God nobody wants nukes to be let loose, except for those deluded into believing it’s a solution for their religion. Because, ALL of war is horror, but nukes kick that into the absolute absurdity of killing hundreds of thousands with a single bomb. Even worse is that those vaporized are the lucky ones.

[@lecroak2274]

A couple of friends visited the museum in Hiroshima and they said it changed them as people. I hope to visit someday and pay respects.

[@j.w.r3730]

I'm 60 now,knew a gentleman named Roy who was one of the first Navy survey team members to land in Hiroshima,3 days after the drop. He was in his mid 70s when we had this conversation about the operation. He at length told me his experiences there encountering horrors beyond imagination. One thing stuck with me was how it took 6 weeks to clear the main river through the city of just bodies. 35,000 people were killed almost instantly, and many fled to the river because they were on fire and died there. There's a famous picture of a baby still alive after the blast sitting outside the main train station burnt and screaming. His team took that picture,as they were investigating the main train station to restore it to use. Two engines were just outside the station twisted together like a pretzel and thrown through the side of the station. I don't think I can think of ever seeing someone whis eyes were as haunted as his were as he told me these things. He told me about the shadows being the most haunting thing besides the river,which was completely stopped by the bodies.

[@blademasterzero]

I’ve heard awful stories of pregnant mothers being charred and burned to death only for the baby inside to continue moving and fighting for some time after. It’s such a cruel and evil weapon

[@briananderson7285]

Our leaders on all sides seem to have the urge to do it again.

[@Orverge]

​@@jozefserf2024Lol. Concentration camps wasn't that bad to you I guess.

[@parabolicfinancenews9887]

American government not humans​@@jozefserf2024

[@loveszappa]

@oldrabidus2230 really would like for you to explain your reason. Obviously it’s a subjective question, so interested in hearing what you think is worse than nuclear bombs. But I have a hard time believing it’s not even on your list. Unless you’re using the fact that it is a horror perpetrated by government bodies, released from afar rather, as opposed to direct human to human close proximity violence/torture (some of the atrocities I heard about in Rwanda come to mind) But since it isn’t that, I really don’t see how you can argue that It’s not one of the worst things humanity has collectively accomplished. there is a difference between mass violence, collectively condoned, as opposed to one human brutalizing another.

[@AbysmallyAbsent]

I’m 64 y/o and I remember being in the 6th grade seeing a film about the aftermath of Hiroshima/Nagasaki. It was too cold to go outside for recess so they showed this documentary film to the Junior High Students instead. It was horrific. When you watch a horror movie, you know in the back of your mind it’s not real. It’s the imaginings of a film director and you can go on happily with your life after seeing it. But this? This was far worse than anything anyone could imagine, because it was real. At the tender age of 12, those images were forever imprinted in me.

[@Edward-bd8iy]

I am your age. I saw them, too. Not to mention 'Wheels of Tragedy', 'Mechanized Death' and the other driving safety films from long ago. My oldest sister brought home a book chronicling stories from the survivors and 'the black rain'. This was after we all became adults. I read it. It wasn't a pleasant experience.

[@Adelaide_Cuthbert]

Not exactly the same, but I felt this way when 9/11 tapes were shown in my class. Just listening to voicemails of people calling their families for the last time and people jumping to get away from the flames. I always felt weird, because a lot of kids walked out of the classroom fine, but I was crying the whole time, like genuinely traumatized. Grave of the Fireflies has the same effect on me, and even the Titanic movie. I can only watch stuff like that every few years because I get too depressed just thinking about how things could have been prevented. I couldn't even begin to comprehend how actual survivors cope with experiencing it first hand. I can't even handle semi-fictional mock ups of the events. But I force myself to because the victims deserve to be remembered.

[@theneet9528]

There's an exhibition by the fire department when I was in primary school. One of their section is photos of ppl in fatal accident. And I dont even flinched later when i saw a beheading video. Almost 40 and I still refused to drive.

[@riffgroove]

I visited the war memorial museum in Hiroshima. Don't go in unless you have a strong constitution. Out of our entire travel group, I was the only one that made it all the way through. And I did it more because I felt I NEEDED to than anything else. I felt like I'd been beat up afterward.

[@summerohara554]

I feel faint 😢

[@quietcell]

I went through that museum, then I went to the toilet. Sat down and sobbed. It broke me. I returned home and volunteered and later worked for an anti-nuclear charity. Every politician should visit before beginning their term.

[@SarafinaSummers]

Is there a way to take a virtual tour? I unfortunately am not physically strong enough to travel to Japan, nor can I speak the language.

[@sacrebleu1371]

​@@SarafinaSummersResearch your idea. Communicate with the museum if it is not available online. The Japanese shops online have structure for language translations, at least woodworking and art suppliers do.

[@sacrebleu1371]

​@@SarafinaSummersResearch your idea. Communicate with the museum if it is not available online. The Japanese shops online have structure for language translations, at least woodworking and art suppliers do.

[@ShaggyDustbin]

I’ll never forget about the story of this young girl who was working in a defense and communications bunker when Little Boy exploded over Hiroshima; she was the very first survivor to make contact with the outside world. Nobody on the receiving end could even believe what she was saying was true, because the idea of an entire city being wiped off the map was inconceivable, but she saw it firsthand for herself. …she was 14 years old at the time of the event.

[@Adelaide_Cuthbert]

Do you remember what her name was?

[@somehaloguy9372]

Employing a 14 year old girl to work at a defense communication bunker..

[@LucasSantos-si4nd]

​@somehaloguy9372 it was late war Japan. The even pushed teen girls around that age with minimal medical training into front-line positions because they lacked medics. They lost resources and men. Japan by this stage was preparing for a final defense of the mainland.

[@GEMSofGOD_com]

One cool thing about Japan of the 40s is that they gave DMT to people

[@BookishDark]

I really wish we’d been taught about the effects in school. We barely even mentioned the war in the pacific outside of the quick mention of the atomic bombs and the flag being raised in Iwo Jima. It wasn’t until my late twenties that it dawned on me that my grandfathers time in wwii was in the pacific and lasted three years - we spent so little time on the pacific theater I actually hadn’t even realized how extensive the war effort was there. We never heard anything about the human suffering on the ground from the bombs. Only now, at age 40, have I learned anything about it via KZbin. It is beyond any horror I could ever imagine.

[@Edward-bd8iy]

I am 64. We studied the war and its aftermath much more closely as there were veterans, survivors and such all around us...our parents, our teachers, our officials, nearly everyone at or over 50 years old. There were two thick books on our bookshelf at home. One was WW1, the other WW2. I think the National Geographic folks or the Time Magazine folks published them. There is also a series entitled "The World At War" made in the 1960's which is an extremely well-made documentary series, featuring first-hand accounts of those who were there. Find these resources and view them. Read them. Learn, young one!

[@azurephantom100]

Yeah that's why they don't teach it to kids its just that bad last thing teachers want is to traumatize them

[@camerapasteurize7215]

The war in the Pacific theater was a totally different beast to the European theater. The Sino-Japanese War, the American-Japanese War, the Japanese occupation of Korea and the Phillipines, it was brutal. The Eastern Front and the Pacific were by far the worst environments to be in during World War II.

[@afunkymonke]

​@azurephantom100 considering how a lot of kids seem to be getting worse and worse, maybe they do need to be traumatized by the real world history that they seem to ignore or worse, decide some conspiracy theory they saw on tik tok is all they need to know about anything

[@Edward-bd8iy]

@@BookishDark Hmmm... seems my reply was too hot for T.V. like that special by Jerry Springer... funny thing.... YES -- it was and still is the absolute worst thing human could possibly do to/with another human. It is also EXACTLY why we must, absolutely MUST have them, and the latest thing at that. You really, REALLY think there's no one else in the World, this planet on which we ALL live, who wouldn't go there? Really. REALLY? If your response isn't No, you need to leave the voting to the Grown-ups. I hate to admit it, but my generation (1955-1965) had to learn this last, and as CCR says, "You better learn it fast, you better learn it young" Never mourn for the dead in war; it's what and how that war ended in total victory for your forefathers that matters. Project strength, knowing you are correct. Never get into a fight without that intention, NEVER. Never start s**t, FINISH it. Be surprised at how few feel like riding that train (other than those two idiots in 'Hancock'..... Choo Choo Sucka----"

[@Vilamus]

Yeah, so, given that explanation of what happened, I get why people refer to it as vapourising. The truth is, as ever, more horrific than what we make up.

[@osmacar5331]

Vapourising is still horrific. Unless it's a fluid. You can flavour air like that btw.

[@mpjstuff]

People say vaporized as in “disintegrated remains” - there is no misconception, just quibbling about the slight misuse of a word.

[@elijahaitaok8624]

​@@mpjstuff even if the true technicality is they got a "total body dismemberment" all that was left was a permanent shadow, for all intents and purposes that sounds like vaporization to me

[@fishlife1013]

​@elijahaitaok8624 pretty much they didn't "turn to vapor" just ash and small bits of scorched tissue and there shadows just protected the pavement behind them

[@rova3308]

And.... after all those horrors NOW the West once again want to experience nuclear war (1000s times stronger than atomic bombs in Japan) by provoking and pushing Russia to the corner. People are just STUPID.

[@lizziefingers7528]

I'm not sure that makes me feel any better. Too tragic.

[@makarpronin2008]

Justified killing of civilians, though, no?

[@ibigfire]

​@@makarpronin2008No.

[@icu3869]

Didn’t America drop the bomb? Why did it happen?

[@Myreactionwhen_80085]

What?​@@makarpronin2008

[@bitterlemon7721]

Americans have killed far more children, women and innocent people than the rest of the world combined including Nazi Germany. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Japan, Korea, Yemen, Sudan, Libya,. The list goes on. Almost all innocent people in the world have died by a weapon manufactured or supplied by the Americans, ISIS, Taliban, Mujahideen, Korean war, Yugoslavia war, etc. At what point do we call them the real terrorist of the globe?

[@fabiocroce1355]

Fuck why did I search total body dismemberment on wikipedia at 3:30 am

[@Falcrist]

Basically, most of the effect was simply caused by the fact that the UV bleached the stone except where it was blocked by unfortunate people.

[@scottarivett496]

Yea that explanation was a long train to nowhere

[@jamesb.9155]

Yes. It is clearly a shadowing effect caused by the unnatural power of a nuclear fusion flash.

[@aliciacampos5789]

Your explanation is the most comprehensible one I have ever read or heard.

[@144pGore]

Thank you. I felt like the video's explanation was too convoluted for me to understand.

[@strangerthings88]

Umm no the stone wasn’t charcoal colored before ..

[@EllipsisMark]

"Were those people turned to the dust?" This guy: "No. It's worst than that."

[@calisongbird]

*worse

[@AnonAnon-b8r]

If its instant death it's the same thing no?

[@raymondstheawesome]

How is it worse?

[@AnonAnon-b8r]

@raymondstheawesome Humans have a confirmation bias basically. If it was the other way around, let's say the common conception being people go through whole body amputation and instant death instead of vaporising instant death, people would be saying being vaporised is worse. And this is illogical but appreciable.

[@williamgallop9425]

I remember in 80's people were demonstrating in britain against nukes because "nuclear blast does destroy not only the body but also the soul".

[@blakebrankin133]

I'm inclined to believe them.

[@spudpud-T67]

And that's before they go off.

[@redrix20]

"9mm kills the body, but 45 acp kills the soul"-bajur

[@FenrirWolfganger]

Typical twisting a scripture from the Bible to support their political position (Matthew 10:28 for anyone interested). I'd no time for either wing doing that then or now as it just serves to deepen divisions. /rant over

[@WorldWarTwo]

Ah but 32 ACP killed Hitler. -TimeGhost Ambassador

[@chrisk5985]

Doing research into the aftermath of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as told by survivors, is some of the most haunting, bone chilling stuff you can ever read. The horror is so beyond comprehension and so extreme that it's hard to fathom that it's all factual. Even the most twisted minds in fictional horror media cant replicate the real life horrors caused by those bombs. It was something I had never been taught in school, so learning about these horrors on my own was absolutely life changing and perspective shifting. Absolutely chilling. Shrouded Hand made an excellent video on the subject I recommend everyone watch; it's titled The Ant Walkers of Hiroshima

[@petersmythe6462]

Basically not vaporized but very badly scorched, ripped apart, and thrown very very hard into surrounding objects. They probably still died pretty quick though.

[@raidermaxx2324]

they were not aware of their death

[@fishlife1013]

So vaporized turned into ash and charcoal brickets

[@hoonhwang4778]

Thank you for your incredible ability of keen observation. Had a chance to review 9/11 film clips where people jumped off that burning tower to splitting certain deaths. Why are we human beings doing this to ourselves and inching closer again for God's sake?😮

[@chefscorner7063]

​@@hoonhwang4778Those are two very different scenarios of people dying. The only similarity is the usual Humans Killing Humans so they have more as what we have is never enough for some!

[@ut000bs]

At the same millionth of a second that the visible light hit their eyes the temperture was suddenly hotter than the surface of the sun. They _literally_ had no conscious realization of anything wrong at all. Yes, I know what literally means. 😉🖖‍

[@richardharding7767]

The two women who survived at less than 100ft from ground zero by the chance of they were walking into the bank vault. The blast slammed the door behind them. The bank was rebuilt around the vault.

[@jamesfra1311]

That is insane luck, I haven't of them in any story so far.

[@juhis5936]

did they get out on their own or did they have to be rescued?

[@redfox9446]

My local bank has a vault that's designated as a nuclear fallout shelter. I guess this is where the idea to use them like that came from.

[@Arcyguana]

@@juhis5936 If it's the same two that I'm thinking of, they left the bank after it became too hot to bear inside. One of them died of acute radiation poisoning after they both drank the radioactive particulate laden rain that fell right after the explosion. Apparently it tasted foul, but a terrible thirst was one of the things that was pretty ubiquitous for a lot of the survivors after the blast as far as I know. The other told her tale, so must have lived at least for that long.

[@Ben-zr4ho]

Like the Twilight Zone story with the guy who breaks his glasses.

[@mirzamay]

That's horrible. Creepy, sad and horrible. I still don't know exactly what you've said. I thought it was horrible before. RIP fellow humans who suffered and died from those horrible wars.

[@lsmithgoose]

I will never forget the story I heard in a documentary from a woman who survived, who was a young girl at the time about crawling and dragging themselves to a body of water to try and quench the desperate thirst they had and the unbearable burning they felt all over their bodies, over thousands upon thousands of bodies who also had been trying to reach the water and had died mere metres away in piles, or had been smothered under one another. Or the stories of the skies opening up, rain they thought, sticking out their tongues but it was just ash pouring down. I cannot remember which documentary this was so if someone knows please let me know.

[@foxi708]

Every history teacher I've had said they were vaporized or "instantly dust". Thank you for teaching me, this is very sad

[@sidmauch5898]

My father was one of the first 250 volunteer soldiers to go in. Now imagine being in your 20s from the farm of North Dakota and see in that.

[@HJG-1019]

Why was he a "volunteer soldier"? I never heard of this before... Did they ask who wanted to go?

[@TheTriciaLife]

@@HJG-1019the army did lots of experiments on soldiers. You can find documentaries. They don’t care.

[@Travelbug68]

Why does it matters that he was from North Dakota 🤦‍♀️

[@briangriffin8106]

​@@HJG-1019 It's my understanding that for hazardous duty, such as entering a radiation zone, the command staff will ask for volunteers. However, it is also my understanding that if not enough soldiers volunteer, then they will just order you to go. But don't take my word for it...

[@walkingdeadman4208]

Your father was no better than the soldiers in Germany in the 1930s and 40s. Sorry to have to break it to you.

[@blademasterzero]

The tales of trains igniting in an instant and the soundscape present after the bombs fell is honestly not something I think I’ll ever forget. Just the retelling of the fires and cries and screams of pain before black rain carrying death fell down isn’t something I or any others want inflicted on this world again. One of the most harrowing things is that many retelling from survivors tell of people who had lost themselves after the blast and just wandered and followed each other without full conscious thought. Though I dislike the name I believe many called them “ant people” from what I’ve heard due to similarities in how ants travel. It should say something that the brain can continue trying long after all hope is lost and the body is torn into pieces

[@Edward-bd8iy]

Read "The Third World War: August 1985" by Gen. Omar Bradley. Old book now, but not when I read it in 1980/81. In a chapter, he goes into great detail describing the (fictional, of course) strike of Birmingham, England by a (for the time) regularly sized nuclear missile. His descriptions of the immediate effects, the sheer numbers of extremely critically injured outside of Ground Zero, in expanding distances, will curl your hair. HINT: Hiroshima and Nagasaki were little firecrackers compared to what is described in Gen. Bradley's account.

[@bobington9]

I believe you may be conflating two different things. I’m unfamiliar with the people wandering around without thought but the “ant people” you’re referring to were actually called “ant walking alligator people” and it’s almost certainly the most horrifying thing I’ve ever read about. Warning: what I’m about to describe is extremely disturbing. Their eyes were gone, their mouths were little dots, and their skin looked like charred black scales (which is where the alligator part comes from, and also why Godzillas skin looks the way it does. Godzilla is basically a metaphor for the nukes for anyone unaware) many were missing the lower parts of their arms and legs and were thus walking around on the stumps on all fours (which is where the ant walking part comes from) there are stories of people people grabbing their hand to help them and their skin “came off like a glove”. Their nerves were completely melted and like I said their eyes were gone so they had no feeling at all no eyesight no nothing they basically became, in an instant, brains trapped in their skull with zero sensation of the outside world. The most disturbing story I read about this was that there were some siblings that were alone in their house when the bomb went off and a little while afterwards were huddled together still in their house when what they described as a monster or something came crawling in through their door making weird sounds writhed on the floor then died. It was later discovered that the “monster” was their mother who had been at the market I believe when the bomb went off and became an “ant walking alligator person” (sorry don’t know how else to say it) and somehow with zero sensation of the outside world dragged herself back to her home to presumably make sure her children were safe before she died. How she would’ve been able to know her children were safe much less find her way back home is anyone’s guess. Probably the closest we’ve ever gotten to literal hell on earth.

[@blademasterzero]

@@bobington9 I’ve definitely only seen a few things that accurately portray the horrors but those stories definitely check out. I wasn’t aware of the separate alligator descriptor though. I still don’t like the idea of describing terribly disfigured victims like animals because of their behavior though

[@otaku.assassin2993]

The best thing we can take from this, is at least for a lot of people, their suffering was little to none, and the shadows they left behind are more than just a painful reminder. They are the memories of these people, and how they were more than just 1 of many, they were individuals, each in that spot for their own reasons, living their individual lives, not just a number, or statistic, or ratio, and when people see their shadows, they will be mourned by even complete strangers

[@Trainfan1055Janathan]

Reading about what these bombs did to people literally made me cry.

[@SarafinaSummers]

Me too. It means that you and I are still a human. 🫂 🌸

[@goldenhate6649]

Incendiary bombs in tokyo were even worse if you can believe it. It also killed more than both nukes combined

[@c.Ichthys]

Same. It's devastating and horrific.

[@Maverickgrindstar]

Funny how you bleeding hearts don't seem to mind the human experimenting and stripping of resources from vassal states that the Empire of Japan was doing. Seriously, look up the Battle of Okinawa kid

[@Trainfan1055Janathan]

@@Maverickgrindstar I never said I didn't care about that... I hate war in general. No matter who the "good guy" is, they all end up doing horrible, unspeakable things to each other. Take the Middle East. I wish they would just stop fighting, but they won't because they all think their god gave them that land personally and they don't see any reason to give up land that a deity gave them. Or the Manifest Destiny. Our ancestors stole all this land from the native Americans that they didn't even need because they thought that their god gave them that land. Funny how God keeps giving away land that other people already own and saying that genocide is okay.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

I thought it was caused by the shadows of people the instant of the flash because the shadow was slightly less baked than the surrounding area.

[@destroyinator29]

Yes, he said the victim's body shielded the area (partially) from the flash, and that the surrounding area would have been bleached by UV, making the 'shadow' look more distinct.

[@LeoWisconsinson]

This is correct. The duration of the energy was not enough to cause “total body dismemberment” beyond….”dispersal” if you get my meaning. Think small pieces.

[@bluesrocker91]

I think that's correct as there were/are shadows of inanimate objects like concrete walls, metal railings and pipes around the city that remained intact after the blast. The angles of which could be used to accurately determine the exact point where the bomb exploded.

[@-Carbon-]

That is exactly what it is. The people that caused the shadows were undoubtedly burned by the radiation, but did not die instantly

[@koboldsage9112]

So they turned into high velocity flaming goop and splattered, and the goop hit the ground so hard and so hot it baked into the ground at a molecular level. Not shadows at all, that black mark is actual remains. Yuck.

[@TheRobbiUno]

The bomb only burst at 600 metres above the ground, the fireball was 100 metre radius. Many things instantly vaporised on the ground from the thermal pulse. The shadows are due to differential bleaching and there are examples of ladders, bicycles, water valves and window bars, as well as people.

[@thebrain9384]

No, you are wrong. If it was differential bleaching the shadows would be whiter than the surrounding cement. (From the body blocking some of the blast.) Those are people incinerated and their ash impregnated into the cement. There are pictures of fake shadows, like the girl jumping rope.

[@thebrain9384]

The reason the valve, ladder... are darker is because the surface was already dirty and dark and the objects were far enough away to survive and block the blast from hitting full force on the objects behind it.

[@TicTac-g7m]

​@@thebrain9384 I've seen that effect you described using a pressure washer, for example.

[@DeadButDreaming666]

The guy explained everything in the video. You trying to correct him as if you're a leading expert is just annoying. Save your know-it-all bullshit for your stupid friends that don't know any better.

[@thebrain9384]

@@TicTac-g7m Yes, I guarantee, people turned to ashes and embedded. Asses are trying to soften it after all these years.

[@saberkite]

Went to the museum last year. It was hard not to cry when going through it.

[@way2tired2]

Sadly, your description of the reality of this just makes it even more horrifying.

[@elijahaitaok8624]

Makes it sound overtly clinical, for basic layman's terms they were vapourized and left a permanent shadow

[@AshKetchum442]

i think thats the point

[@ryelor123]

Other weapons are worse. Thermobaric bombs put people in unbelievable pain before they die of asphyxiation due to their lungs being destroyed. Nuclear weapons are one of the cleaner weapons systems.

[@blademasterzero]

⁠@@ryelor123listen to the accounts of the survivors and your tune will change. There’s nothing clean about such vile and horrible weapons.

[@ich3601]

​@@ryelor123The radius where dieing of a nuke is nice is very small. Outside of this radius it's horror. But to be clear there is no nice or clean weapon.

[@oldschooljack3479]

A lot of people have probably seen the movie "The Sum of All Fears" based on the Tom Clancy novel... Read the novel. At one point he breaks down what happens to the human body caught in an atomic blast... By the millisecond. The only minor "comfort" is the fact that you cease to exist before the pain impulses can travel through your nerves to the brain. Which is also absolutely terrifying.

[@brucey_t]

"First Three Shakes" was the chapter title if I recall correctly, and one of the best chapters I have read in a novel for it's full description of events. It's likely that far fewer people have seen the movie "Threads", and thank god for it. Once watched, as I did as a 10 year-old, I reckon folks will pray for "total body dismemberment", and be firmly against any posturing rhetoric by world "leaders" over the use of nuclear weapons.

[@SarafinaSummers]

It’s going to be on my treatment reading list. If I make it up to Canada for treatment.

[@SarafinaSummers]

@@brucey_t I watched the first part of threads. It’s OK, but “where the wind blows “is a little bit better, as it’s not so damned moralistic about unwed mothers, and all that damned stuff. I get it, it was made in England, in the 70s, I think, but still. that was 45 minutes I had to fast-forward through, before I got to the meat and potatoes.

[@brucey_t]

@@SarafinaSummers oh yeah, I'd forgotten about Where The Wind Blows. Another "good" production, and so very saddening. And at the age of 10 I wasn't so observational about the moral aspect you mentioned in Threads. It's what happened after the flash that really stuck with me.

[@suebee1436]

@@brucey_ti saw it. I recorded it on vcr, which i still have......

[@diegosolis9681]

So, basically, the shockwave tore them apart and smashed them so hard against the surface and then the heat burned those "fluids" so quick that it painted said surface? Holy mother of God...

[@Mokhas45]

And this expert still dares to come here and explains the details of the horrors and suffering they created.. Bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki was not only about the massive structural destruction of the Bombs but also its effects on The human body. The world will never forget what you did and most certainly not The Japanese People who remembered the event every year at the bomb site. You should be proud of your accomplishments. Shame on you!

[@irenafarm]

More like, the ash blew against the affected surfaces, leaving a trace where it was slightly shaded as compared to the surrounding area. Yeah, it’s actually a more sobering and hallowed memorial than many people realize, I guess.

[@denissavgir2881]

No. The video made multiple mistakes. The shadow is where the person was, their body briefly shielding the wall from the radiation as it evaporated, causing the human shaped shadow of slightly less burnt material

[@EmmaSquire-ks9nu]

No, what really happened is the ground was the skin, the explosion was the sun, and the person was the sand. The "shadow" of the sand is where you aren't burnt as bad, except melonin is brighter than your skin in this scenerio.

[@AngelinaThumbelina8]

Thank you for putting that into more understandable statement than whatever the narrator just said.

[@AngelinaThumbelina8]

I just listened to this whole thing and still couldn't comprehend it enough to be able to repeat it back to anyone else with any certainty of accuracy.

[@lulumoon6942]

My Dad was a POW in the KC & still had bullet fragments in his thigh, but it was these SHADOWS he saw in Japan that made him anti-war! 🙏🕊️

[@sabotagefate69]

So he's in favor of atomic bombs? Single handedly ended Japan in the war

[@peterlee9691]

The war was already ended, Japan could do no more but refused to give up the motherland unconditionally, so the bombs was dropped, and also to show off to the Soviets as a warning. If it happened today people will be calling it a war crime. But the victor gets to write the narrative as a necessary evil just as much as the defeated Japanese today tries to hide its war crimes from their history lessons.

[@Fettman501]

Single-handedly, no. The top generals were insistent on fighting against the wishes of the emperor, censoring the bombings, but him managing to have his voice heard combined with the Soviet declaration of war finally pushed Japan to surrender.

[@daywalkermike]

A question: What does "KC" mean ? I searched it and only found at a "WW2 abbreviations"-website the term "Kilocycles" .

[@mramisuzuki6962]

@@Fettman501another Tanky liar on the internet. The Soviets could barely invade Manchuria with Korea and Chinas help, they weren’t demanding anything of Japan.

[@m.scottreeder]

Years ago, I read a fictional book titled “Demolition Angel”, a 2000 book written by author Robert Crais. In this book, he explained the technical assistance that was given by real-life bomb disposal experts, and experts in the construction of bombs. One part of that book gave the official medical term for bomb victims. It’s called “body disruption”. Morbid.

[@SarafinaSummers]

Now I have to find this book. I’m writing a novel, and weapons development in its early phases is part of the plot.

[@m.scottreeder]

@@SarafinaSummers Please bear in mind that this book is fictional. If you want me to spoil the surprise, I can add more details to the story. Please be aware that the author noted in the preface that he had to alter certain facts, descriptions, and other things related to bombs. This was due to the obvious, that no one out there will build such devices--because they will. You can explore an explosive compound called RDX. It detonates faster than TNT.

[@jad67jd]

Well that's nice to know. I pray to God that it will never be used again. War is terrible for everything around it.

[@ernienegrete5702]

Now substitute in, *Hell* as the subject.

[@spvillano]

There are two potential uses of value for nuclear weapons. Asteroid ablation from near miss detonations to propel the thing away from earth. Holding a door open as a door prop. Anything else can only be destructive. And that's from someone that began his military career working on the damned things.

[@adriantrela]

You kiddin right? It will be used someday in many places because no matter what you show to the world as a warning how 3v17 it may be, there are always creatures who don't care and will do it. When history repeat do we notice? No. And who notice right now is considered as a c0n5p1racy th3or15t.

[@grizzlyblackpowder1960]

​@@spvillanoand as someone who actually served in a war, we should never take a tool off the table.

[@F.B.I]

​@@grizzlyblackpowder1960 imagine that tool as dynamite, and the entire human civilization is a bunch of gold mines and caves - and imagine what would happen when the "gold rush" hits. All gone, forever.

[@bashfulwolfo6499]

Both my HS and college classes made it very clear how horrible it all was, which I’m glad it was never sugarcoated. We even had to do several essays and tests about the bombings’ impact and what happened to those that survived and those that didn’t make it. It’s extremely depressing and horrifying, I’ve been terrified of nuclear bombs since I was a little kid, the thought of going through something even remotely similar is nightmarish

[@KrayZieTyler]

I saw the stairway in the Peace Museum in Hiroshima. It's a piece that makes you stop and stare for a minute, with many thoughts running through your mind.

[@CaptStraightEdge]

I absolutely agree the vast majority of shadows are simply from the flesh of a body absorbing radiation and blocking the surrounding materials, like spray painting over a stencil and then lifting it up to find the outline, however people were absolutely vaporized at ground zero, the bomb at Hiroshima detonated at an altitude of roughly 1900 feet, at ground zero the heat was such it melted all but the thickest steel girders and concrete of the Genbaku building which was right under the explosion, any carbon based life form would have been instantly turned to carbon by heat and radiation, this may have only been immediately near the blast but it absolutely happened

[@pg-l4469]

Truly one of the most horrific war crimes of the 20th century

[@Not_sheeple]

I agree.....

[@billreynolds2760]

At the Hiroshima museum, there's a wooden fence that is mostly charred. It has the shadow of a man shielding his eyes from the sun, looking up. When the bomb went off, he was immortalized as the shadow of bare, unmarked wood. What really surprised me were the Coke bottles from ground zero (two inches tall) to where they were slightly melted. Yes, in 1945 the Japanese still had Coke.

[@bachfan7537]

I remember the Coke machines in Tokyo in 1972 when I had a stopover there in route to Vietnam. The machines were so modern compared to what we had in the USA. They were even placed on some street corners like Coke had been there advertising like crazy.

[@MaruskaStarshaya]

Yep, war was never an obstacle to the rich ones to get richer, politics are so hypocritical.

[@dougkenny6548]

Sometimes things don't go better with Coke.

[@12tanuha21]

Cola company was also running in Germany during the war, inventing Fanta.

[@rafiyumahmood2446]

If you REALLY look into WW2, you’ll start to realize that some of the most famous American companies out there was playing both sides of the war. I work on Wall Street and there used to be a “Nazee Bank” literally across from where I worked. Being so interested in history and finding this out was a gut punch

[@jbos5107]

My daddy saw those shadows when he served in Occupied Japan after the war. He never forgot it.

[@Ria-sd2ex]

It's wild to me that even today, people are still so unfeeling and uncaring about people going through wars currently. This was a horrific description. There are still people, civilians, families, women and children being blown up and shot to the point they can't have open casket funerals.

[@tonypringles2285]

People aren't uncaring. They just realized there is nothing they can do. I feel for those dying in Ukraine but what am I to do?

[@eyetrollin710]

The same people creating and funding these wars are the same people that want to take every freedom from you, what many people do not realize is that the West is currently in the third War it is a silent War and it is against every citizen. To distract us they've gone and resurrected ancient conflicts from the other side of the world, most people don't even realize what's really going on and if they do try to care they're just being brainwashed puppets as the commenter above me has proven with their comment,, maybe if that person understood that Poland has been trying to take Ukraine for several hundred years and most of that time it was part of Russia, this nonsense is going back to when these were Proto countries this nonsense is nearly a thousand years old,, and you know who the founding member of the UN is, Poland, so Poland finally took Ukraine and it's been painted up like Russia's the bad guy. Why do you only care about the people dying in Ukraine why don't you care about Russians dying, did you even realize that a big chunk of Ukraine's population still call themselves Russian and that anyone who still identified with their motherland has been tortured?? Nope you just know what the news tells you to think If you want to talk about the other conflict that's 1500 years old,, and frankly these people are blood relatives that Holy Land is a haunted hellscape that you got to be crazy to want to live in people have been fighting over it for thousands of years but you know modern people got all these opinions without doing the real research. Both of these wars are distractions. The real war is against you

[@Fettman501]

Keep the pressure on your representatives to support them so they can win.

[@TheTardisDreamer]

America pretty much glorifies the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But when you look at the circumstances.... They didn't do it to get a ceasefire, or they would've just targeted the main military sites (not the middle of the city in a densely populated civilian area with wooden buildings), or waited after Hiroshima for Japan to ask for a ceasefire. America commited genocide to show off their power and as a scientific field study. That's it.

[@tonypringles2285]

@@TheTardisDreamer lol it was not genocide, genocide has a very specific legal definition. you do realise us dropping the bombs killed LESS people than the japanese did? you wanna talk about genocide? you wanna talk about evil? the japanese were far more evil than america ever was. we could have dropped TEN nuclear bombs and not even come CLOSE to the atrocities the japanese commited. why dont you educate yourself

[@sierrarain1440]

I got to see the shadows in person at the Hiroshima Peace Memorial Museum. I cried in the museum, it’s absolutely horrific what happened to these people.

[@graciethebelle]

Absolutely horrific. Words cant describe how awful this is.

[@jeffreese1828]

Which is what makes it the thing to be avoided at (almost) any cost .😢

[@GEMSofGOD_com]

A fart of total terror by the US

[@singatune]

I remember watching news reels in theatres of the first two atomic bombs. More coverage of WWII should be viewed by younger generations so they realize what the destruction of these atomic bombs which are like firecrackers next to nuclear weapons of today.

[@colleenrudolph1501]

Our government seized and classified most of the footage

[@bradauto]

I visited Hiroshima in may this year. Walking through the peace park museum was harrowing. The step shown here is just one of many exhibits that make one acutely aware of the horror of that day.

[@TheDreamOfATree]

I’ve been to the Seattle science center as a kid. They have this exhibit that has a bright light flash behind you, and your shadow stays on the wall after you move for like 10 seconds.

[@gonzalogonzalez4220]

"Dismemberment" seems to describe a situation where certain members of the body were still intact just separated from other members. It seems that "disintegration" would be a better word.

[@johnnycochicken]

It seems that the real word is "disruption"

[@mznxbcv12345]

It's happening today. Most don't have full bodies, just parts. The events in G za.

[@shirtlesshurt]

its the "TOTAL" you need to pay attention to. TOTAL BODY DISMEMBERMENT.

[@Rhaspun]

He used dismemberment. It,gives a more violent feel to the scene he is describing.

[@PyroGothNerd]

Read Barefoot Gen. "Dismemberment" correctly describes the state most of those people were in

[@lovelandgirl1494]

The thought of these people going through that wrecks me. It doesn't matter if it was instantaneous.

[@FearlessFloor]

It’s war they started it and killed millions and millions.

[@Izumi-sp6fp]

I saw a close-up photograph of a Japanese soldier from the barracks lying on his stomach with his head turned to one side facing toward the camera. The "side up" half of his head was a carbonized skull. The "side down" half was his almost unchanged face. I've never forgotten that picture

[@_Kuma_]

Absolutely horrific in every way. RIP.

[@paraphiliatoys7422]

Seeing the shadows in person is deeply unsettling.

[@Cjnw]

…and seeing them on TV or video is settling!

[@unacceptablesisterpeter3431]

I have been to Nagasaki's Atomic bomb museum twice. The people's recorded memories are heart wrenching. The hand fused in stone was ghastly.

[@citizenVader]

True. It doesn't only take a nuclear weapon to cause total body dismemberment. It happens in other types of detonations, too, although it's a rare phenomenon in the conventional league of heavy weapons.

[@forthrightgambitia1032]

After seeing slow motion film of a fighter jet crash into a wall full speed I am inclined to imagine crashes around or above the speed of sound could have a similar effect.

[@citizenVader]

@forthrightgambitia1032 I'm not an expert in aviation or the dynamics of flight at such velocities, or the other implications for an armed jet crashing, but it's a lot of minor effects that culminate in a rather spectacular way, and critical mass is achieved, and that is basically what I know is the primer for this phenomenon. In other cases, ambulance drivers are vaporised when a direct hit from an artillery strike blends with the content of the response vehicle, and that is also classified as a rapid process of dismemberment, but it does go brissand which is equivalent to a burn rate of 8000 meters per second, and that is just incredibly fast and hot without really coming close to a self contained heat burst. There are just too many things happening at once.

[@RockyPixel]

Or if you're playing Fallout: New Vegas, about every five minutes if you main explosives.

[@peerlessportraits]

Can you do one on the sailors who were drowned in their sleep on the USS Arizona and then maybe the bayoneted babies of Nanking? I always wondered what the infants were "projected onto." I assume it was a Japanese soldier's bayonnete, but maybe you can sort it out as "bayoneted to death" may be a colloquial misnomer.

[@dravendfr]

“Total body dismemberment,” and, “this caused changes in the molecular structure of the surface.” Simply conveyed brutal information.

[@et76039]

This can also happen with conventional explosives. I was shown a photograph of someone who had been inside an Iraqi hardened aircraft shelter when a bomb managed to penetrate it. He was slammed up against a wall, leaving a permanent print, then slid down, leaving a blood trail.

[@hieug.rection1920]

We would see fairly often in Iraq and Afghanistan. A HIMAR or something would hit the structure dead on and we’d come across the burnt splatter of folks in the adjacent rooms/structures that weren’t outright destroyed in the blast. Explosions are far more powerful than the movies portray and it’s hard to wrap your head around it until you feel one in the distance and get to see the damage up close.

[@GiantsXbox]

just not with radiation and particles being shot through him

[@ryelor123]

@@GiantsXbox Airburst detonations don't irradiate people so long as they don't drink/breath the fallout that rains down shortly afterwards.

[@louisa6943]

That’s is so sad!!! As a species we are soooo cruel towards each other, I hope humanity one day can get past this!

[@1rola1rolando]

God says in the Quran: (11) And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."[2: 11] (12) Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive it not [2:12]

[@Catstronautgirl]

Very sad, very tragic but very interesting and very cool.

[@southernwonder7024]

The bomb: one small step for man, one giant leap backwards for mankind

[@tmclaug90]

I mean, yeah, but also, imagine no nukes and than the East bloc and West bloc to to war at any point during the Cold war.

[@sabotagefate69]

Tell that to the unparalleled level of world peace that took place comparatively after. No major world involving wars after two major ones and many years of endless wars. While it wasn't a good thing it has had some positive consequences. No leader has dared to repeat this since.

[@MichaelConroy-o4s]

@@sabotagefate69I think it’s probably been tried a number of times since then,but something “went wrong” every time.Sort of similar to something going wrong whenever they try to kill Donald Trump.People think we’re in charge or in control of everything.I beg to differ,myself.🇺🇸💐🥰

[@earthling_parth]

​@@sabotagefate69except right wing pro nationalists continuously threatening to do so who are sitting on thrones of Russia, North Korea, and a wanna be corrupt, selfish, and incompetent dictator still running for president in the US

[@Ozspeak]

What world peace? There have been many wars since the usa dropped their bombs. The difference now is that other countries have the bomb too and can retaliate in kind. The would not have used it against Japan if Japan had nuclear capabilities aswell. The bombing of Japan was and still is the worst war crime ever committed and goes unpunished to this day.

[@loogoo]

What a depressing thing to have to contemplate, let alone study.

[@lalannej]

As described in the books, many people were "parboiled", or their exposed skin simply peeled off in strips. They all went to the river, skinned alive, seeking water and shade, until death overcame them.

[@ernienegrete5702]

Water that was *boiling,* unbeknownst to them.

[@evezford]

This must never happen again.

[@EverAppl14]

A beyond horrific atrocity that never needed to happen. The shadows left by the innocent people who were obliterated that day are a stain on the very soul of humanity that we can never wash off. How could we allow ourselves to perpetuate these kinds of things against one another?

[@robbyjohnson9684]

You should read in-depth about the political, military, and social state of The Pacific Theatre before you comment on such things. If this atrocity never needed to happen, it wouldn't have happened.

[@Maverickgrindstar]

If you werent so blinded by emotion and actually read history it would make a lot more sense. Do yourself a favor and read up on the Battle of Okinawa (spoilers, the Japanese were using their own civilians as human shields)

[@EverAppl14]

@@MaverickgrindstarBoth of you are arguing the same tired, unevolved, outdated, misguided reasoning as to why a completely unnecessary inhumane atrocity like this “needed to happen”. I would suggest that you both read some better enlightened perspectives on history instead of simply trusting the traditional narratives and justifications at face value without exploring any of the other relevant details. For instance, it HARDLY matters what the Japanese were doing with their own civilians when the men in our government at that time didn’t consider the Japanese to be real human beings at all, and regularly spoke about them in disgusting degrading ways. That is one of many, many sick disturbing realities which have been omitted in conventional narratives on events like this one.

[@VinnyBloo]

Everything that happens in war is the fault of the initiator of the conflict. The side acting in self-defense is justified in doing everything it can to protect its own citizens.

[@EverAppl14]

@@VinnyBloo​​⁠Hahahahaaaaaa No. Absolutely not. Unbelievable that anyone would even seriously assert such a wholly misguided excuse to abandon one’s own humanity. I can only assume that you’re a very young, inexperienced person to be harboring that extreme oversimplification of reality as a genuine personal belief, if that’s the case.

[@MrSleazey]

Inanimate objects, some of much more durable materials, also left shadows on pavement and walls. The handle of a pump, safety railings on a bridge, all made of metal. The thermal pulse of the intense flash of the detonation affected the surfaces it hit, thus leaving an imprint where the shadow fell.

[@ryelor123]

Also really really intense UVC. The stuff the ozone layer reflects.

[@MsJoyce31202]

👍

[@dougr.2398]

There is little difference between total dismemberment and vaporization. When every cell is separated from every other cell, that is a kind of total dismemberment. While “hysteria happens” you can’t really discount the complete horror of what a nuclear blast does to people close to it, and close is a relative term, not quantitative.

[@BlueSkyCountry]

Think of it this way: The entire area of that zone became one giant laserjet printer, and the people caught in there became the toner that printed those images.

[@devongratrix4921]

This is a much better explanation than I expected

[@larrybarnes3920]

My father was with the Commonwealth Occupation Forces '45 - '47. He saw these marks.

[@3rdalbum]

Did he suffer radiation poisoning from the residual radiation?

[@Sleaptime]

There wasn't much to be because of how 'clean' the bombs where fyi only initially and immediately after ​@@3rdalbum

[@sydneymattingly2773]

It's basically instant sunbleaching of everywhere except where the person sat.

[@stevehilton4052]

This kind of question on the effects of nuclear radiation is well covered in the Japanese education system. But ask the average young person in Japan about the behaviour of the Japanese troops in occupied countries and the treatment of anyone who didn't die in battle and you will not get much of an answer.. They may have picked up stories of not being very nice, but not from any school curriculum... Any admission of being wrong is shameful and unacceptable, they have not actually apologised for their behaviour but gave a statement that sounded like an apology until you listen properly, instead of saying " we deeply regret the actions during war" it's more like " we find it deeply regrettable that terrible things happen in war" I believe that they are just waiting for everyone involved to die and hope it goes away.... they don't deny it but they make themselves the victim to deflect the issue..... the tactic of playing the victim is best seen in the invention of Godzilla,a monster woken by radiation that destroys everything in its path making the people the victims of the people who released the radiation ... .. Basically they were blaming the occupation forces of the US without actually saying it

[@Rickardsson99]

The stone slabs in some buildings melted or were glazed and the liquid spray of the human bodies would cool it enough at the covered area to make a slight color difference in the melted stone.

[@coyleigh]

You have no clue what you are yammering about.

[@summerohara554]

Gross

[@SarafinaSummers]

@@summerohara554 could someone please report the original commentor? If this information is in accurate, it must be reported and remote, as it is horrifyingly disturbing I just vomited… Again.

[@speed65752]

Evaporation sounds less terrifying, somehow. Forgive me, you're right, but I'll keep using the word "evaporation". Too creepy

[@aaeve5676]

It's... nevermind

[@kiki-acab]

Sanitizing history by using more comfortable language is not useful. They were victims of total body dismemberment.

[@elijahaitaok8624]

​@@kiki-acabit isn't sanitation per se, it's still horrifying to hear that all that remains of them being "vapourized" so to speak is a shadow. "Vapourized" is just an easier concept to grasp than an overtly technical term of "total body dismemberment"

[@kiki-acab]

@@elijahaitaok8624 History must be taught as accurately as possible, vaporization sounds like what happens to frosty the snowman, these people were completely dismembered by the force of the blast.

[@kiki-acab]

@@elijahaitaok8624 also shut up

[@shanimarais9695]

This was one of the MOST HORRIFIC events in history. How can humans do this? So much loss, fear, heartache, and destruction.

[@JohnLee-jk5ew]

Easy, they wouldn’t surrender

[@MrRamazanLale2]

​@@JohnLee-jk5ewwrong zionist they already were. A Jew called oppenheimer wanted to test his invention, and now America is a zionist sh*thole.

[@apedemakosiris4037]

Your sick​@@JohnLee-jk5ew

[@danieldavis2055]

​​@@apedemakosiris4037- He's not "sick", he's giving the answer as to just why the nuclear bombs were dropped. Despite there being zero chance of winning the war at that point, Japan had fortified its main islands and was prepared to dig in. A ground invasion would have resulted in a massively high death rate. Even *after* the bombs were dropped Japan's top military leadership refused to give in, going as far as to attempt a coup against the Emperor when he declared he wanted to surrender.

[@fukyutube2279]

​@@danieldavis2055yeah. You swallowed a Z10N42I colonialist propaganda manual disguised as a history book.

[@beachyvibes2357]

I don't know why I'm learning about this horrific fact at 2AM but I'm still happy to be here 💀

[@feralhomunculus]

When I was in middle school we had Nuclear Bomb drills and they taught us about the effects of nuclear bombs. My thought was I want to be a close to the blast point as possible. I used to sit under my desk because apparently sitting under your desk was going to protect you from a nuclear bomb. Why were we even having drills? But I'd hunker down under my desk and try to figure out the closest place an enemy might send a bomb and how I could get a close as possible to the detonation point. Because who wants to live through what comes next? Not I. I want to be one of those shadows.

[@Edward-bd8iy]

Wow. Our state stopped those drills just three years before I hit first grade. My oldest sister remembers them. All it was about was keeping the deaths in an orderly fashion, as development of the H-bomb rendered these drills, instituted when they still worked as survival mechanisms, obsolete. Yet they continued for years afterwards. Kinda reminds one of the slavish devotions to crappy vaccines/mandates, don't it? People with a little authority, craving more, becoming more aggressive in their quest to keep it....

[@1rola1rolando]

​@@Edward-bd8iyGod says in the Quran about the nature of these evil corruptions: (11) And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."[2: 11] (12) Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive it not [2:12]

[@kidindacardboardmask]

So they weren’t vaporized and turned instantly into ash…they were burned to particles as small as dust ALMOST instantly. Got it!

[@BobSmith-zq6gz]

"It's not vaporized, it's total body dismemberment." Me: "Sooooo....... Vaporized?"

[@rcgunner7086]

No, vaporized does have a different meaning. But at this point we are just splitting hairs.

[@LethalOwl]

It's *almost* just semantics, but yeah. Total Body Dismemberment could also be translated as "none of your 206 bones are still stuck together".

[@laurabeane8862]

Hmmm....That explains why the "Smart" House in that Ray Bradbury Story kept keeping the Schedule. The "Smart" House still recognized Atomic Patterns even though they were now part of the building. And as such, kept following the orders given to it.

[@prisonersforprofit]

the people (civilians) who suffered the most were survivors burned like you cook something in a microwave, the radiation burns were deep. they suffered indescribable pain before they succumbed to their horrific burns.

[@SunTzuArtOfWar4]

They weren't survivors

[@raidermaxx2324]

no not really, their nerves were destroyed so they didnt feel much pain from the burns, whats your source?

[@annaairahala9462]

@@raidermaxx2324 No? Radiation poisoning does not immediately cut off your nerves and the horrors of it are pretty well documented as it is a pretty horrific way to go.

[@raidermaxx2324]

@@annaairahala9462 Incorrect. You have only half of the information. There are two distinct types of radiation given off by a nuclear blast, and will kill people in different ways. First, is death from gamma radiation burns, which is essentially a sunburn that burns you to a crisp in about a microsecond. It's literally the same UV light from the sun but magnified a billion times, as if you were standing inside the core of our sun. And the the second form of radiation that you have mentioned, comes from "ionizing radiation" , in which the environment is contaminated by subatomic particles and electromagnetic waves from the actual spltting of the atmos during the initial fission stage in the bomb. To further clarify: The heat burns come from what is UV radiation and is what causes firestorms to erupt around the city, and combined with the initial shockwave, is what kills everyone close to ground zero~ 15-20 mile radius.. if you survive, gamma rays can still leave you with burns you to the bone in whats known as "4th degree" or "5th degree" burns. In this situation, the skin tissue is carbonized all the way past 7 layers of epidermis , and has carbonized parts of your bones. At this point, the burned area aill be unable to send pain signals to the brain, as the nerves no longer exist, since they have also been carbonized. You will most likely eventually die from shock and infection, but you will not be in constant pain. On the other hand, ionizing radiation from the splitting of the atom, causes subatomic particles and electromagnetic waves, to bind easily to carbonized atoms. Carbon atoms of course, are the majority of the particles which form the smoke and soot of the "stem" and eventual "cap" of the mushroom cloud caused by the detonation. It is is essentially the vaporized remains of millions human beings that have been rendered into carbon molecules, including any trees, plants, animals pets, anything organic, even dirt, all of which these subatomic particles are attracted to and bind easily with. So in other words, the mushroom cloud is radioactive bits of dead humans floating back down to earth to murder more surviving humans in the form of black rain. This black cloud of toxic soot, eventually minds to water molecules and falls back to earth as radioactive black rain or snow, over weeks and months, often thousands of miles away from ground zero.. Radiation poisoning will kill you over weeks and months, as your insides gradually liquefy and then you slowly bleed out your insides via your rectum , mouth, eyes, and ears. Despite feeling very ill, and vomiting all the time, this is a relatively painless death, but you will wish you were dead for other reasons. So to make myself clear, I was refering to the initial gamma radiation burns, or sun burns that are so deep they burn you to the bone, and burn off your nerves, and is caused by the magnified "sunlight" of the "mini-sun" which suddenly manifested over the city. Gamma radiation only occurs for the intial first few microseconds, but it is lethal in its own right, even though radiation poisoning is caused by ionizing radioactive partcles that will last for tthousands of years, and will kill you in an entirely separate horrible way lol . Make sense?

[@lalannej]

Yes, my phone did that to my leg. It still hurts, because the muscles are tearing away from the cooked flesh, and have nothing to pull against.

[@sunboltgift711]

Damn, just when you thought those poor souls couldn't suffer anymore this comes out.

[@mammuchan8923]

Terrible to think about either way 🫣

[@budzmckenzie6606]

Read a book in Elementary called “Hatchet” It’s a first person POV of what it was like. Pretty good read

[@pokerface7840]

"They did not turn into dust" "They were carbonized and smashed against the pavement" to me that sounds like they turned to dust.

[@marymay4723]

Yeah I'm still confused on how exactly the shadows are made... Probably need an animation or something to show us

[@WiggyWamWam]

Being blown to pieces is different than being turned to dust. It’s more like human shrapnel.

[@Munchkin.Of.Pern09]

The “human shadows” phenomenon was evocative enough for my game designer family friend to build an entire one-shot around. It was my first time playing that game system, and second time playing one of his games at all (we didn’t know each other very well yet back then). It was my character who received a ‘vision’ of the Fat Man falling on Nagasaki. It was my first ever exposure to the horrors of war. I was twelve. I can’t even remember the words he used anymore, but I can’t still remember the image he painted in our minds. That one, singular moment, sitting at a small circular table with a group of strangers at our local convention, has shaped my perception of WW2, and war as a whole, forever.

[@ArchangelExile]

It's more correctly, "total body disruption" not "total body dismemberment".

[@Starmadien2019]

Those closest to the blast suffered for only a mere millisecond. They were the lucky ones, the ones who survived the blast but were close enough to be exposed to the radiation. Would spend days and years suffering from different levels of radiation poisoning. Which most commonly causes the body to literally start to melt from the inside out. It was utter torment that caused many to either take their own lives or beg others to end the pain. Some of the survivors were lucky enough to suffer burns without major radiation poisoning. They survived into the 1990's, many were diagnosed with cancers later in life. Such is the devastating power of nuclear weapons.