The Maormer (Sea Elves) | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #18

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[@rabsrabble5415]

‘Worst king we ever heard of, but we have heard of him.’ Yes the elf pirates of the Caribbean XD

[@TealWolf26]

I am so glad someone caught that one 😆

[@zincrayyan9333]

lol

[@cyrosphere0154]

Lol I missed that one

[@Akuma-cz4vj]

Ah yes, The Mermer

[@lucas3918]

And their cousin in those skooma dens, The Memer

[@TealWolf26]

You beat me to it! Bravo.

[@adrienneh5083]

Er mer gerd!

[@JohannesVanDerStuyvebode]

Skir skirrr

[@death3678]

The memer

[@flowgod524]

the smug smile of satisfaction tha drew gets when he gets away with a Pirates of the Caribbean reference.

[@charlesbalkham6909]

It would be cool in TES VI if they did sub categories for the race system, it would be more cultural i guess I.e Imperial- colovian/nibenean Redguard- crown/forbears Breton- metropolitan breton/ rural reach men Dunmer- ashlander/tribunal Etc etc etc

[@dorianshepard2841]

That would also add more playability customization as the subfactions could have different physical or mental abilities. If they did it right

[@xidarian]

The sub race seems more like character background. A dark elf ashlander would have the same racial stats but would have mysticism experience from growing up around it. Not so much that they are a different race but there life experiences would be drastically different and should change them.

[@briarfolly3764]

Well then they would have to pay attention to the argonians and that’s no good. Their precious development will go to waste. Oh the humanity!

[@cnut7383]

Nord could have nedic/atmoran influence Argonians maybe a hist sap influence slider or something Maybe Bretons with more elf/human

[@charlesbalkham6909]

@@cnut7383 orcs could have Trinimac worship over Malacath. Khajits have a fuster cluck of various sub races ripe for using. Bosmer could be traditional green pact cannibals vs breakers of the pact. All these ideas in itself could be visible in armour/general attire. Accents, dispositions with other races/internal sub races i.e tribunal and ashlanders hating each other as well as outlanders but tribunals hate you just that little bit less haha

[@e-cavalier2739]

I have always wondered as to whether the empire could potentially try and contact the sea elves to help against the Thalmor as they have the strongest fleet on Nirn. It would be really cool to see the imperial and sea elven navies invade Alinor.

[@e-cavalier2739]

@Tomáš Pavlík To be honest, the Thalmor could probably beat back both of them unfortunately.

[@e-cavalier2739]

@Tomáš Pavlík Yes but what you fail to consider is that whilst the elves are weak after the war, the Empire are even weaker. As seen with the stormcloaks, the empire is divided and faltering whilst the thalmor seem to be regaining strength.

[@e-cavalier2739]

@Tomáš Pavlík Yes the nords and redguards will fight however they will be divided and uncoordinated whereas the elven troops will be controlled by a central command which is a huge advantage. As for the population difference, the elves make up for this with their superior magical ability

[@e-cavalier2739]

@Tomáš Pavlík Firstly I doubt that the dark elevs will help the empire and secondlay you fail to consider that valenwood and elswyr are supporting thalmor armies throughout Tamriel. Cyrodil's flank is completly exposed.

[@nickwelsh9557]

@compassionate Predator do you mean eugenics? Lmao Ebonics is how they talk

[@06burhan]

As a side note, the Maomer in Summerset (ESO) invoke Orgnum's name in battle as "For the Sorcerer King!".

[@sav6955]

Don't worry Drew we got the Pirates of the Caribbean references.

[@allisonblack5803]

Haha yes, I went right to the comments after that to see if anyone else immediately thought Jack Sparrow

[@drewwilson8756]

Heard it!

[@emperorpenguin6420]

They have learned everything about the tamriel and oblivion, and now there moving into the sea😀

[@amir_shaban_80]

They know everything about the Aurbis at this point

[@idipped2521]

There is still much to learn. We'll see when TES 6/spinoffs come out

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Theyre*

[@ValiareTheForsaken01]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 *They're

[@tysonwalsh9063]

Just 3 absolute Chads, discussing Elder Scrolls Lore, I love it!

[@scrumptious_bussy1037]

Ok but scott with glasses hit different 🥺🥺

[@rudyj8948]

I like how the races of elves seem to change with their environment, whereas the races of man change their environment to suit them.

[@localagoraphobe]

Human superiority

[@ThatGuyAgen]

Except human skin colour surely

[@ihaveachihuahau]

But... nords are resistant to cold...

[@rudyj8948]

@@ihaveachihuahau Im not sure I understand?

[@bandawin18]

​​@@rudyj8948he's saying that Nords being resistant to cold isn't really in line with OP's implications that humans change their environment to suit them. Basically, Nords as a race are closer to Mer in that regard since they adapted to the cold climates, probably since they come from Atmora, which is notoriously cold Edit: didn't realize you actually were OP 🤦‍♂️, ignore that part of my comment, I'm tired and dumb rn

[@antonakesson]

Must say that the Sea Eves full armor is ESO might be one of the games best one in terms of appearance. I really dig that helmet and color combination. The shield is a bit to small for my taste as I think it would have looked far better if bigger.

[@hope6840]

True

[@thebeyblademaniac]

Shields in ESO are generally very small. It's something that disappoints me greatly as a player that loves fashion. The biggest shields I know of are the Senchal Shield and the Order of the Hour shield. I wish they'd increase shield sizes by about 25% or so across the board but seeing as how every other shield looks like a tiny dinner plate I'm assuming it'll never happen :/

[@antonakesson]

@@justanothertrash5062 So why not make them out of wood? It is better to have a fully functional shield that protects bigger parts of your body then a tiny, heavy, kite shield. A big wooden one would also float so that is even better then the tiny one. Then is the fact that the dude that is holding the shield in the picture is in full plate armor so he will sink regardless so why not have a big floaty shield then one that acts like an anchor? Also, don't the maormer have magic that allows them to breath underwater? Pretty sure an underwater enchantment would be worth their money in that culture.

[@antonakesson]

@@justanothertrash5062 Also just searched for Maormer shields and they have big metal shields so that explanation makes no sense as they have big heavy shields.

[@antonakesson]

@@justanothertrash5062 There are literal enchanters that have that as business. Here is a literal quote, in universe; "Anyone can become an enchanter-it doesn't matter who you are, or who you were. I spent twenty years pulling fish from the waters of Black Marsh before stumbling into the world of enchanting. If a former Argonian fisher-slave can figure it out, so can you!" - Enchanting Made Easy, ESO. You are right in that it wouldn't be cheap but in a culture that is nearly only at sea you can not tell me that underwater breathing wouldn't be more common as it is not unobtainably expensive. There have been farmers saving up for enchanted goods so it is not a rich men only affair. There are also spells that allow for underwater breathing and the Maormer have been using those many a time during there raids so if there is one race that could make such an enchantment affordable it would be them.

[@cynicalx7495]

Drew made me think of a new Breton Build. Jacque the Sparrow. He has a Jar of Dirt, and guess what's inside it? Ashes of his fallen foes.

[@Schwitzmaul]

No must be the heart of lorkhan ...

[@lordbaemon1467]

The last time I was this early Red Mountain hadn't even erupted yet Keep up the amazing content you guys ;)

[@saueqietrollageposting1477]

Last time I was this early, Lorkhan was still alive

[@ballpoint7887]

The last time I was this early the Nedes were still in chains.

[@TM-oy9qo]

The fact they're stuck being strong on water is what's stopping them from taking the mainland, and that might be the curse lmao

[@BuffyPickle]

I don’t really think them referring to themselves as “the true high elves” has much to do with what they look like, every other elven race is named by something that relates to them dark elves have dark ashen skin, wood elves live in large woods and have brownish skin, snow elves lived in snow, deep elves lived deep underground, and sea elves of course lived in the sea. But high elves doesn’t reflect a physical feature (unless if it’s supposed to be referring to their height,) no that’s supposed to be them saying we’re the highest race, so when the sea elves say they’re the true high elves they don’t mean they look like the current ones, they mean they’re the best race, they’re high elves.

[@rokturi]

Have you heard of the High Elves?

[@lolhelios]

They don't seem to grasp how bloodlines work. I guess if I don't exactly look like my grandpa, we're basically not related anymore.

[@BuffyPickle]

@@rokturi yes I have one of their patrols accused me of Talos worship even though I was a high elf role playing an Auriel worshipper. It’s clear based on everything we know about the high elves that they are very egotistical, they believe they’re the best race because they’re actually Aedra trapped in the bodies of mortals, they believe they’re the best elven race because they’re the most true to their ancestors the Aldmer, and they believe they’d make the best rulers of Tamriel because when men create a mess of the continent they’re the ones who clean it up. And it’s for this reason they justify their plans of genocide against humanity.

[@Akuma-cz4vj]

Or they took too much skooma. Too many of us can relate to that feeling.

[@menamesskit3336]

It's referring to them being the true Aldmer. They call it the Sundering of Aldmeris because the Aldmer split into o many groups. What the most egotistical of the elven races mean by "true high elves" is that they are the closest to the Aldmer, as in physical appearance, magical ability, culture, etc. It's not just that they think they're the greatest race, they thing they're the closest race to the race they believe was the most perfect race.

[@chasebrekke6816]

Scott looks like he has a secret identity, man is posted up.

[@Person1................68]

He reminds me of an Oblivion NPC

[@Chareddragon]

Another thing is, we don’t know when the Snow Elves and Deep Elves came to Tamriel

[@Rodiacreed]

The Maormer are definitely an interesting bunch with cool lore. I hope to see more of them in future games.

[@bronzecobra8556]

Maybe Aldmeris is just the elves memory of Atherius

[@ViViVex]

Maybe the real Aldmeris is just the elves we met along the way!

[@bronzecobra8556]

RUSTPUNKtv RUSTPUNKtv good one lol

[@kaosbringer2761]

I always feel so blessed when a new ES podcast drops.

[@norrinradd6746]

23:25 This is always the same issue I had with the Dunmer and I have always found it odd that no one raises similar questions about them. "You have betrayed me and now you shall be cursed! I will...um...change your eye color...and make your skin darker...yeah...curse..." Especially when you consider that their skin is also fire resistant, a very good thing for their environment, much like he maomer's adaptations are for theirs, it doesn't sound much like a curse unless you are approaching it with some rather racist preconceptions generated by our culture, not theirs.

[@danielshore1457]

I think with the dunmer it was a curse in a sense that the chimer saw themselves as like clean and pure with their golden skin but then like that pride is taken away, I saw a comment somewhere saying that perhaps the curse for the sea elves was more they can't actually step on land or something hence why they haven't just attacked Summerseat etc

[@Schwitzmaul]

Yeah but the dunnmer stay with the thinking they are the best. Curse failed

[@bandawin18]

​@@Schwitzmaulthey think they're so high and mighty with that fire resistance, but hit em with that ice and all of a sudden....

[@lickety_]

i’m curious about the previous Kalpa’s. like when did they take place era wise? maybe u can elaborate on what Camel’s talked about the Yokudans & Left-Handed Elves coming over from he previous Kalpa as well

[@vonfaustien3957]

Well the dawn era is supposedly the tail end/ transitional period/ star of the current Kalpa so they don't really have an era as the calander and linear time kind of starts at merethic era with the adera meeting at the adamintine tower to decide on the laws of reality being year 0. So pre and maybe early dawn era

[@ferristhered1401]

I'd love an in-depth video on the kalpic cycles. From my understanding, everything from the Merethic Era onwards takes place in the current kalpa. The Dawn Era is said to be both the end of the previous kalpa and the beginning of the current one. Some things, like the emergence of elves and humans on Nirn from the Old and Wandering Ehlnofey, seem to either predate the kalpic cycle, or repeat at the beginning of each cycle. I'm not sure, for example, if stories of the original Aldmer refer to the elven ancestor race of the current kalpa, or predating the kalpic cycle entirely. Or the killing of Lorkhan and the launching of his heart into the ocean, where Red Mountain would later spring up from it - if that predates all kalpas, wouldn't Red Mountain be wiped out at the end of the first kalpa? Does the geography of the world survive the end of a cycle, and if so - this kalpa has already seen multiple Nirnshattering cataclysms, so what similar events may have reshaped the world in history we don't even know about? Or did the Aedra go along with the whole kalpa thing right up until the current cycle, and it was only in the Dawn Era of the current kalpa that the et'Ada discovered Lorkhan's trick? Have there been multiple previous cycles full of races that had a living Lorkhan watching over them?

[@Dante1920]

I feel like the 'Maor' in Maormer is meant to be pronounced like 'Maori' the real life seafaring people, they were probably one of the major inspirations for the Maormer. So instead of "Mayomer" I always read it as "Maori" mixed with "Mer"

[@fumarc4501]

I like how you each have different working theories for explaining the Mer origins. I really like the Moarmer, and hope we see them attack again in the next game.

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

So we have the Dark Elves,The Snow Elves, The Wood Elves, The High Elves, The Water Elves, Orcs, The First Ones, The Wild Elves, The Changed Ones, Deep Ones. And the Falmer and Bretons derive from Elves. You thought that Oblivion was a mad place? It has nothing on Bethesda Game Studios who came up with over 10 Types of Elves...

[@dominiccenteno1233]

I personally like the way BGS handled the elves. I don't want a cluster of different races. I really like that majority of Tamrielic races are one of the three categories: Men, Mer, Beastfolk.

[@gestapoboyz6375]

@@dominiccenteno1233 whats BGS?

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

@@gestapoboyz6375 Bethesda Game Studios

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

@Mk Lz I knew I would forget one. Somehow

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

@@dominiccenteno1233 Exactly, It should also be this way with Fallout Human Ghoul Super Mutant

[@jessesherer9792]

I really like the idea of Moamer being so malleable and undefined that that could make them more "true" to original elves. That the history is so obsured and up for interpretation. Its very poetic.

[@justinterry8894]

Theres a type of jellyfish that turned into a infant when its life is up so pretty much immortal and sea elves are like jellyfish and their king is said to be immortal and gets younger every century so their may be a connection.

[@cyrosphere0154]

38:00 😂 as soon as he starting talking about the key I was smiling

[@davidstol2792]

You guys are so close to 1M!! Can’t wait, been watching since the OG podcasts with Giuseppe

[@ferristhered1401]

Now I'm starting to stay caught up! I'm really enjoying the Elder Scrolls Podcast series. I hope you guys keep them going, the value of good entertainment right now is greater than I've ever seen it. Thanks for putting the time into it!

[@ryanrizzo4869]

Drew really loves sneaking PotC references. Lol. This isn't the first time.

[@loC2ol]

These cure my soul every week. Keep it up Fudge!!!

[@braedengriffiths4249]

Thanks a bunch for doing this! I can finally put to rest a lot of questions I had to ask!

[@seanstacks3436]

Souls lore, and Elder Scrolls lore are my favorite, and I couldn't think of any channel who does Elder Scrolls as much justice as you guys, much love.

[@bobakett5613]

The Maormer have always been the least interesting in the TES-universe imo. Until now, after I heard this. Great discussions guys. A lot of interesting theories.

[@Thomashy19]

its my birthday and im just chilling alone in bed, thank you guys for making such great content

[@cizeek9748]

keep on making this beautiful content! I watch it every time I notice it in my recommended. BEST historians of Tamriel, truely

[@BryceGirdner]

Just checking up on all these podcasts. You guys are awesome. Thank you for all the content!

[@kroganpopy9206]

I can listen to you guys speak all day. You all are very good at storytelling and your voices are very suited for it.

[@nealfirstofhisname]

Given that Tibet Septim needed to destroy time and reality to conquer the Summerset Isles, the Maormer almost conquering it with boats and snakes proves their strength.

[@emmanuelrebollar800]

Love all the pirate movie references!

[@skulkbones76]

I LOVE when you guys talk about sea elves, it's my fav part of elder scrolls lore, so much of their lifestyle and culture not recorded makes for great speculation on the "where are they now" segment kind of talk. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK GUYS LOVE YOUR VIDS!!!

[@ObliviousIncGaming]

Another absolutely amazing way to start off any Sunday morning guys thank you

[@lucasmodanez1122]

Yes! My favorite Mer race!

[@tomahawktommy8502]

I asked for this one on the last podcast! Thanks Guys!

[@XJonAye]

Thanks guys, a great way to start my day off

[@Noah_AWICB]

Keep these coming, just started a new job and been lowkey listening to this while I'm waiting for everyone else to finish their training stuff

[@elisthebirb2357]

Drew continues to be a massive mood with the POTC references and the Pink Floyd shirt to boot 🔥

[@jk-hy3sq]

love your channel, thank you for always having great content, we appreciate it :)

[@seveninchesofsatanicpanic0533]

Michael has been resurrected! He is no longer a slave of Scott.

[@Nova-jw6ju]

Nothing like an elder scrolls podcast to start my day.

[@tommyawsm7132]

Can somebody just give me the timestamps of every time Drew makes a Pirates of the Caribbean joke and smiles to himself 😂😂

[@mjrtaurus2714]

The sea is the cradle of life and evolution as we know it in the real world. In the lore of the games, the water holds memories of creation. Imagine what an immortal sorcerer-king can do with that potential...

[@beairmann]

Beautiful as always

[@rmjwinfrey5722]

To add to the ancestry discussion something I’ve always found interesting is that the two earliest “diverging” elven races, the snow elves and Dwemer are both super freaking pale like almost crystalline skin and my personal idea as to what the Aldmer looked like was something closer to the two of those races

[@BaalFridge]

ESO giving sea elves some love was so needed

[@EyebelieveTheNarrative]

I can hardly wait for the ES 6 DLC about the sea elves!

[@darkpaw1522]

I love Scott's mustache. He really pulls off the look.

[@moejartin3258]

Sick vault tec chair Scott!

[@mikelitoris3578]

A podcast on the 36 lessons of Vivec would be really cool!

[@saltgodsdaughter]

What if the "mist" is their eyes? They are all murky and it could be apart of some curse that went along with their banishment and it prevents them from finding their homeland.

[@gabezilla8800]

3 minutes deep in an episode about sea elves and Michael is already talking about Argonians lmao

[@OuterRimPride]

-Drew and Michael are clearly paid off by the Thalmor Party -Maormer Leviathans being made through sorcery is probably an Altmer lie. We see in the description of their skin that some Maormer are just born with that trait. It's pretty clear to me that there are just several subraces of Maormer. (as we see in the physical differences between the Storm Sharks, a core clan, and the Sea Vipers, a splinter clan) -Pyandonea was more professionally described as a series of massive *jungle* plateaus jutting out of the ocean. -For all we know the Maormer most closely resemble the Aldmer, especially if *Orgnum is actually an Aldmer AND looks the same as the rest of his people (the Maormer).* -Nobody believes Maormer came from summerset or were descended from the Altmer and both sides agree they were exiled Aldmer. -Orgnum's interractions with the Empire at least are accepted historically, but also there are a lot of writings addressing him specifically and with plenty of detail. (particularly the Khenarthi's Roost treaty) -Sea Elves DID in some capacity have relations with Hammerfell. Some even lived there. -Sea Elves also tame other beasts, including massive turtles as seen in their siege of Sunhold. -The Captain Wereshark saga actually does incorporate at least some certifiably real characters that you can meet in ESO. Neramo the Altmer for one I can remember. -THE STORY OF FINORIEL swimming to Pyandonea is obviously not true both because of how impossible it is and because NOBODY ELSE WAS THERE TO HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT IT AND SHE DIED

[@hesiod6168]

I’ve been waiting for this one :D

[@MrLightningbob]

Can't wait for you guys to talk about the mysterious dissappearance of Falinesti. It was mentioned briefly in your Beast Races video.

[@juliodufflarjr.7064]

Ahh, the Maormer... the Ironborn of The Elder Scrolls Universe.

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

The Sload trade with Morrowind, its possible that they also trade with the Maormer and provide them wood in exchange for some resource from the islands(probably bodies).

[@valentineX1X]

I still think the idea of the snow elves and sea elves saving skyrim from tge dominion hilarious and brilliant. The snow elves erupting from the vale and crushing the reachmen and saving skyrims western front and the sea elves descending from the north and aiding the rest of the land would be brilliant.

[@CrowofJudgement461]

I just watched the old maomer videos and I was really wanting some more maomer content

[@wtfisthisnonsense]

Maormer remain my favourite race of them all. I just have a love for all things of the sea when it comes to fantasy settings.

[@Chareddragon]

You know in ESO South Elswyer some Maomer joined Sai Sahan’s Dragonguard

[@violetnightmare9216]

The Bosmer who swam to Pyandanea was channeling Pelinal Whitestrake

[@badunius_code]

46:15 "they should've gone more Polynesian" Literally Maori-Mer

[@scripty6248]

Do an episode on the Welkynar! They have some suuuper cool lore

[@andrewnovak2197]

Hey Fudgemuppet crew, will we ever see an ideal Elder Scrolls 6 High Rock as a sequel to Hammerfell?

[@flowgod524]

i dig the glasses scott.

[@acep3452]

The fish people of Atlantis, there are like Khajiit, slaughterfish are there cousins lol

[@mudcrabmenace8534]

I think the Sea Elves should be playable in TES VI, would add something new...not like 10 races isn’t enough either

[@vonfaustien3957]

Them the ohme rat Khajiit and if they found a way to make normal armor work minotaurs could all fit. Though that last one might be tricky with hoves and head shape

[@johnross2470]

He upgraded his resurection and brought Michael back from the void at a distance!!

[@serene1172]

If Drew loves Pirates of the Caribbean then he might like Sea of Thieves. It’s like a cross of Pirates of the Caribbean and Spongebob

[@ahalfsmirk1769]

Sometimes, I wonder if the crazy stories like the bosmer who went to this place and slaughtered are old play characters from when this was a D&D campaign amping friends.

[@AWingedOne]

Yes, High Rock & Hammerfell, privateering against(or for hmmmm?) the vaunted fleets of the Aldmeri Dominion and outrunning the dogged Maomer galleons.

[@JHS270694]

Damn elves.. Ysmir's beard, what next? Sky Elves!?

[@spicytriangle4656]

Fucking awesome content as always gentlemen, if I ever see you lads while I’m travelling around NSW I owe you all a beer. Champion effort gentlemen.

[@Haedrix]

Scott looking sharp in those glasses yo

[@jamestitus472]

Chameleon like, changing form. Sounds like the Bosmer Wild Hunt and the Khajiiti.

[@adamthompson6669]

Oooooh sophisticated Scottie 😜 🙈. We getting so close to series X now 😂 😁 🤩. Another fantastic pod cast and thank you team 👍 💕

[@johnq9814]

A few points: 1. You all may be talking about the Sea Elves, we're talking about Scott's glasses. Very professorial my dude, nice 2. King Orgnum, the Wiley Coyote of the Sea Elves 3. Drew should never hold off on the puns and allusions 4. Hell hath no fury like a female bosmer getting vengeance for her man. 5. Great job. Loved it. Keep it coming

[@patrickaycock3655]

Keep doing podcasts! One day you WILL have to talk about the Asir.

[@colefarquhar4120]

Again 5:30am... at least I get to watch the video when it first comes out hahaha

[@thebeyblademaniac]

49:00 That Bosmer is the Green Lady tho. Like a supernaturally strong Bosmer. Her husband is the Silvenar.

[@Aliexei]

Interesting idea for the next build: Moraly good vampire

[@joshuabryant9845]

Louie from Interview? Lol

[@JoeEnderman]

My theory is they were closer, but enough time has passed that the Altmer are closer to the Aldmer now. Perhaps the Chimer were closest until becoming the Dunmer.

[@maxmurray6680]

On the note of Maormer potentially being the closest to Aldmer, the idea of this translucent, semi undefined being sounds sort of similar to the changelings that become Bosmer and Khajiit. What if the Aldmer are actually decendents of the changelings?

[@koru1362]

Going off of what you implied with the homogenization of playable races the further along we get in the development of the Elder Scrolls games, isn't it possible that the Maormer do, in fact, possess more beast-like traits such as webbed digits or gills in the (as of yet unwritten) lore that are simply not present in ESO or other later games in order to simplify race presentation? I certainly adore the notion of what you suggested - where the Maormer do have some of these traits that make them more survivable in an aquatic environment.

[@Downshift25]

Fenarael was the Green Lady at the beginning of ESO

[@axrxns7194]

Oh god I was just stalking your page and this popped up :)

[@vaunknows8439]

I agree with Scott with them being closer to spirits because of the water water is somewhat spiritual