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[@Tomn8er]

To reiterate: the purpose of this video is not to shame, blame or belittle any one individual, but rather to point out systemic issues that exist within the industry at large, and the inherent dangers of living this lifestyle. The featured workout clips were just something to talk over. These guys were chosen simply because they represent some of the best bodybuilders competing today and the footage was of high quality. (See links in the description).

[@testtset7946]

Give Nick a break, the dude's told that he'll die on every other comment.

[@jackvannote]

No, you managed to shame, blame and belittle most of us! Tired of well meaning lectures at this point. You aren't telling us anything we all don't already know and what has been hashed over now ad nauseam. Changes are needed but most of us are not in a position to bring that about individually, neither are you! As a group we can exert such pressures as we are able but I for one am ready to get back to emphasizing the true joy of the sport and let all of us big boys keep our own counsel. And as with other sports having dangers involved with participation as so many do, you don't through the baby out with the bathwater. Should Nascar revert to the soapbox derby just because today's cars are dangerously fast. I don't think so. And I'm sure the greats who have given their lives behind the wheel would feel dishonored if their deaths were used to that effect. Same goes with our fallen brethren. Best Jurassic Jack®️™️Mr.Mass Media x6 and Grand Elite Masters Champion x2 1991-1998 ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer

[@paradicsomharcos]

dont think classic is that safe too, or even mens physique...jeremy buendia took more gear than big ramy according to his jailed dealer "musclehead", also cbum had a kidney failure just in 1 year in bodybuilding

[@Archane2]

Bruh are you dead. You gotta upload more. You will get a lot of subs and views that way

[@Jonas-do8ve]

Well, lets be honest. Aren't we - as the fans - contributing to this? We basically want these guys to push the limit. When they don't come "in shape", it's the fans that will say "he missed the mark", "he was off", "disappointing showing", "he needs to come in drier next time" etc. Don't we push these guys to take diuretics and stuff to get drier and drier? Not saying it's the fans "fault", but i can imagine its definetly a contributing factor.

[@juanaguirre6153]

This is exactly what I thought a year ago when I discovered bodybuilding, also we gotta realize that not only fans want to see them like this, but more importantly, the judges. As soon as you show some indications that you're not perfectly hydrated your placement is gonna be much worse than if you were. IMO that is even worse than disappointing us because as much as they care about us, they are all bodybuilder to make a legacy, so they want the best track record no matter the cost.

[@nf1]

That's exactly what I was thinking. Every time one of these guys doesnt come in peeled to the bone we knock them for it.

[@93Beefcake]

thats why bodybuilding as a sport is pretty stupid imo - it is entirely subjective and unnatural any sports that has "judges" that are entirely responsible for rankings is BS to me the aspects of which a body should be deemed better or aesthetic or more appealing or even just saying looking better is nothing you can quantify in an objective manner hence shit as synthol or similar stuff appeared etc. those big muscles often aren't funtional at all and many of the bodybuilders that just look very big aren't strong at all considering their enormous size so my question is what is the point of looking strong if your organs fail and you actually aren't even strong like a huge overstatement of the own appearance watch ppl like dmitry klokov that are strong af not necessarily natural but entirely flexible and looking healthy and strong the appeal of pro BB was lost to me in my mid 20's as i realized it isn't worth it at all

[@samuelwarner8841]

Completely agree, although if the lighting was better then they probably wouldn't have to come so peeled and we'd still be super impressed, like many 90's bodybuilders

[@Jiangtianzhao]

Of course not, when these is no fans, there still was bodybuilding. Man should be responsible for their own ego, not the one that marvel things naturally.

[@Rome.s_Greatest_Enemy]

With Shawn's death, hopes to bring back aesthetics to the game is lost.....RIP Shawn you'll always be my hero

[@Wikingking]

I don't think it's that simple. If you look at the Prague Pro top 4 with Brandao, Grimes, Dauda and even DeAsha: they are aesthetic. And would have been considered aesthetic in any past era.

[@Rome.s_Greatest_Enemy]

@@Wikingking on the IFBB Olympia stage I meant....

[@danieltoast2109]

@@Wikingking yea. Except de asha, he has a wierd physique. Not pleasent to look at. Long torso short lats

[@93Beefcake]

it just shows looking "aesthetic" is mostly down to genetics and those guys still take shitloads of roids they just have a different structure if u wanna see "aesthetic" bodybuilders why tf u dont watch mens physique or 212 division!? open BB was alwasy about biggest driest musculature + a good structure

[@testtset7946]

@@danieltoast2109 long torso is the only thing you have on him. In the context of overblown physiques and drug use, he's by far one of the most successful in the game without that tipping point

[@ohmy9261]

Getting vintage Tomn8er vibe's from this one, hope youre having a good week

[@Solo-5050]

It's like Rich Piana told Daniel Tosh. Whether its 300lbs of muscle or fat, the heart doesn't know the difference. 🤷‍♂️

[@nf1]

Belive it or not, 300 pounds of muscle actually makes the heart work even harder than 300 pounds of fat

[@pressooop]

Yeah except the heart does know the difference. 300 punds of muscle is worse in cardiovasicular stress

[@NilsMueller]

Yes it does. Muscle has a lot more veins

[@jackvannote]

HEARTILY DISAGREE!! As a general rule the fat person is out if shape and fat is more voluminous that muscle. Two men both weighing 300 lbs one muscluar and one fat; the Muscular fellow will seem much trimmer compared to the one carrying the fat. The muscular person is more fit, his heart should be in far better condition than the fat person's. The heart is a muscle; the good care the fit fellow has taken of his body to cause it to produce skeletal muscle should also cause it to produce a stronger more resilient heart (barring extreme steriod abuse of course) Therefore, you can safely bet the muscular 300 lber will in general out perform and out live the one of same weight but composed of fat. Stay fit and muscular and be healthy. And remember moderation in all things is best so staying under 300lbs is probably a good choice for most of us. Best, Jurassic Jack ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer PS the activity if bidybuilding does carry with it the potential of an Enlarged heart. Within certain confines that is considered a norm and not indicative of ill health.

[@pressooop]

@@jackvannote You stupid. No one is claiming 300 pound fatass is healthy, and you will never find anyone with 300 pounds of muscle who did not use steroids. Your arguments - useless

[@LuhPham]

I was going to do my first cycle which I told my coach to be super ultra conservative on doses. He wrote a plan and it was set on super mild. I even bought all the supplies which cost me like 1.5k+. Ultimately, I decided against it when I started to think about my future and what I really wanted. Have not regretted that decision one bit.

[@redburoc]

at first I thought "c" and "v" stood for "conditioning" and "vascularity"

[@hop6343]

What does it really mean ? Just want to know

[@braddua]

Hey I'm lost too

[@hop6343]

@@braddua ooooouh I think it means covid and vaccine

[@pankusharma4570]

@@hop6343 covid and vaccine

[@theflint7692]

lol

[@jamesgrames3777]

sport is healthy... just not on professional level.

[@cristopherpino9689]

Not even bro

[@sodrensodren8288]

If you count amateurs bodybuilders as none proffesionals many have worse genetics than proffesionals but make up for it with higher ped use.

[@Siberius-]

You don't have to look to the pro-level competitors in sport to see very unhealthy stuff. Also even recreationally, frequent concussions from sports like football/rugby are never healthy.

[@kevinrex7414]

Is it a sport or pageantry?

[@Siberius-]

​@@kevinrex7414 - As far as the Oxford dictionary goes: "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment." So going by that usage, I'd say the pageant of bodybuilding in particular (as far as the term "beauty pageant" goes) IS a sport... But not all pageants have enough elements to be considered a sport.

[@tsabrendan]

Excellent, evenhanded commentary. Thank you

[@supercombatmedic]

This video will probably get demonitized but glad Tom put this out there. We need more content like this inorder for there to be healthier changes in bodybuilding and fitness world as a whole.

[@rickyzalloua569]

It’s such a double edged sword with this sport. It’s entertaining and as fans we want to watch and support but the other side of it is the fact that it can also be a very dangerous sport for its athletes because of things explained in this video. I wish there was a way that things could be changed but I’m afraid that may never happen

[@miloskuzmanovic]

it is not a sport it is a beauty pageant...

[@c_rob1]

I've followed this “sport” for the last 11-12 yrs. But I'm about ready to stop. The culture of vanity in lieu of health was always weird to me, and its really culminated this yr with the deaths. The way Keone was criticized for conditioning just days after George passed (with literal death face conditioning) was the real nail in the coffin. Health>Muscle. #Natty

[@lesnuitssanskimwilde883]

You can have a death face level of dieting naturally. That's not the problem. Pro bodybuilding has never been healthy. Is it worse that ever? Not sure. Look at all the guys with life threatening kidney problems in the early 2000s. People want to see freaks and looking freaky can't be healthy. And some athletes want that freaky factor. Personally I much prefer the look of the 70s/80s but what can you do. Too many drugs, too long careers, unhealthy diets... They know what they're doing.

[@2RBeast]

Please this is all level of competitive sports

[@c_rob1]

@@2RBeast You so called fitness types always use that lie as an excuse. If you think basketball, tennis, or hockey athletes are abusing PEDs you've never played actual sports.

[@jackvannote]

@@c_rob1 Your naivete about the sterling clean reputations of the sport's you enumerate syggest youre the one that never played or have been an avid follower of said sports PED use is currently rampant throughout society and sporting communities as a whole. Best, Jurassic Jack ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer

[@kungfuman82]

Was waiting for this video and your analysis so I could like and watch it immediately.

[@rauxh]

Last speech hit me hard... we moan them just for seconds and next week we are watching yet another competition...

[@Ganbarizer]

I'm not a bodybuilder but I do take testosterone injections and I was taught by a nurse to make sure there's no air bubbles in the vials and syringe and aspirate the needle before injecting so you don't hit a vessel. Unfortunately, seems like a lot of people (patients, users and nurses alike) don't do this. My dad was a Navy Corpsman and noticed that in a lot of the footage of nurses giving injections, they don't aspirate the needle. He's was pretty taken aback, to say the least.

[@pepeknapp4956]

I agree wholeheartedly but I am pessimistic about any meaningful changing being made by the IFBB. While this year was shocking in the frequency of deaths it hardly belies the underlying trend. The neglect for human life and health has been apparent for decades and the IFBB has never taken responsibility for their athletes, rather seeing them as convenient independent contractors who have to pay to compete and do all their advertising for them.

[@DonSchanteloni]

I get you Tom. I used to follow the open class but I can't watch it anymore. The unprofessional shows (lighting, judging, camerawork) and the death cult direction is just too much to take in at this point.

[@theflint7692]

Great video, thank you. Honestly your channel is what got me back into following bodybuilding, and I think you've done a good job stating some obvious, but hard truths.

[@brentdraper4382]

70’s and 80’s bodybuilders lived into their 70’s

[@Kifayatalinoory]

Great job Tom for talking so openly about this mess!

[@conorsutherin2044]

I don’t think I’ve ever dealt with this much pain from deaths not in the family. I have a friend aiming for his pro card next year and I want to be excited for him. Instead all I am is scared. Scared to lose another shining individual with passion and drive and love in his heart. Im scared that more people will die in the name of entertaining others and for a sport that glorifies what leads to their deaths. As a fan of bodybuilding to my core, I don’t know if I can watch this anymore. I can’t support a sport that kills so many people who I admire. These people on stage are like gods and they burn twice as bright but half as long, and I’d rather see them live a long and fulfilling life instead. To all the people that have passed, may you Rest In Peace, and may we finally move forward and change to a group that cares about the longevity of its own.

[@the_golden_eagle]

Excellent video, well done! Thanks for taking the time, very valid arguments.

[@tehDmez]

MPMD has already a video on Immune Systems and anabolics. It basically does cause secondary immuno-deficiency. I'd be skeptical to say the jab is actually causing anything, but even if it was, the benefits vastly outweigh the negatives given that by stats alone. BB's are generally obese (clinically) with poor cardiovascular health, two major contributing factors to death from the CV.

[@MeesterJ]

For the weak and elderly yes,for healthy youngsters there are no benefits. Just like we dont get a flu shot.

[@jaymz18]

@@MeesterJ the scientific concensus is that that's entirely false. it massively reduces risk of infection and serious disease in all age groups. does it help the elderly and at-risk even more than the young and healthy? absolutely, because they're more at risk to begin with. you and everyone you know should get it. happy to show you some evidence etc. if you'd like, reply to the comment and i can grab some peer-reviewed stuff for you. have a good one man cheers

[@MeesterJ]

@@jaymz18 no Thank you, I had covid recently and it was just like an ordinary flu. So again, focus on the elderly and vulnerable and leave young people alone.

[@Asshat237]

@@MeesterJ You got lucky. It is not true that only people with poor health have hospitalization or worse from c19.

[@fartnutssupreme4930]

@@MeesterJ you do you man that’s cool. Just don’t spread your opinion about yourself as some sort of fact or data backed hypothesis. Almost the entire medical community GLOBALLY and the data says you’re wrong. Now if you’re saying they’re wrong and you’re right etc, cool….next time you have a medical issue or emergency god forbid, don’t go to hospitals or doctors or get medicine etc…just remember you’re smarter and know better anyway. ;)

[@0ptimal]

Yea man, most of my life I was all about gaining mass, being jacked, but as I aged and learned, and began aiming for health and longevity, I had to face the fact that carrying a lot of extra muscle just wasn't healthy, in fact it was the opposite. Sucks but how it is.

[@ajespi13]

Doing it naturally is healthy

[@planescaped]

I never had the goal to get 'jacked' I appreciate the sport of bodybuilding, but the bodybuilders physique is frankly, hideous.

[@beatenbytheclown]

I’m not an anti-vaxxer, quite the opposite actually but hear me out. I got COVID before any of the vaccines were available (tested positive so it wasn’t a case of mistaking the flu) and the symptoms for me were very mild. In fact I was on a zoom call with a bunch of friends whilst in isolation and they were surprised when I told them I was currently suffering from the disease. The vaccine however, that hit me much harder, albeit for 3-4 days for both shots whereas my symptoms from COVID lingered for about a 12 days. The headaches, muscle aches and fever were all much more severe for me after the vaccine and this is supposedly down to your immune response, people with a stronger immune system will have a stronger/worse reaction. This is pure speculation but like you, given that body builders insides are teetering on the edge of failure due to all the gear and excess weight I wouldn’t be surprised if they are prone to extremely adverse reactions to the vaccine.

[@quantumpotential7639]

Congratulations. You're now a genetically modified organism, a hybrid created by the NWO. Join the club. I'm quadrupled yaxed and I love ❤️ being a cymera. I enjoy special privileges over the stalwarts purebreds who refuse to take one for the team. If they are eliminated from the race, it will be our fault but hey, who is counting. Like Tom Barringer said in Platoon, every man gotta die some time Barnes.

[@xn-triq7607]

This was extremely honest, brave, logical, and refreshing to hear.... We're going to miss you frfr!

[@lf6932]

I feel like if the judges stopped rewarding physiques the huge open class physiques that have become popular and started rewarding downsized, more appealing physiques, like 80’s physiques, the bodybuilders themselves would be much healthier. Like you said, classic physique is a great middle ground, where there is some enhancement, but not nearly as much and the bodies themselves are much more appealing to the general public. I personally find the open class much more interesting and fun to watch, but if entertainment is going to be placed above people’s health, I don’t want to support it

[@theflint7692]

most of these guys looked better 50 lbs ago. makes you wonder, "what's the point"?

[@simonoliver7940]

wow, i really hope this video goes viral. The message has to get out there.

[@angelibarra6453]

Beautiful video bro seriously super well done man thank you for sharing these ideas and information

[@Valeyellow46WLF]

Kevin Levrone once said that he felt like a ticking time bomb in preperation before the olympia and couldnt wait until he would get that weight off his body.

[@rydoes1225]

Incredible to see how big of a difference one year can make. Many, many professionals now very open about their use and very transparent about their protocols.

[@85mcarnold]

Mike Matarazzo and Nasser were 2 90s bodybuilders that died early on. The body was just not meant to be pushed to these extremes.

[@ImYourHuckleberry_29]

Munzer died before em

[@ScientistSam1]

Hey Tom, I'm a former infectious disease researcher (how hosts interact with viruses was the specialty for my PhD). There is very little evidence for aspirating needles for IM injections. The claims about the prevalence of accidental IV injections don't seem to have evidence and the study upon which this claim is based was conducted in mice and has significant evidence of fraud. Similarly, the most recent study on myocarditis had a severe math error that led to a giant overestimation in prevalence. Myocarditis in both infection and vaccination (it's higher in infection) seems to be tied to robustness of immune system (which is why it hits adolescent/younger men in particular). Unless we have evidence that directly links infection or vaccination to the deaths, this isn't the most responsible speculation. However, you are correct that bodybuilders should be checking their biomarkers (and this is recommended by the CDC if you are concerned about myocarditis). Hope this sheds some light! I'm not an immunologist or virologist but I'm relatively close.

[@Jthe5th]

Ironically it is Shawn Ray that failed a drug test in IFBB.

[@currentaf8455]

Btw john campbell is a phd nurse

[@miamidolphinsfan]

Excellent video dude

[@luckystewie5391]

Now its Cedric, RIP.

[@Tomn8er]

So sad to add his name to this list..

[@tawon1984]

Having more frequent checkups and better health coverage is probably the only thing they could do to help this sport. You can’t take away the sauce because that’s what makes watching the freak factor entertaining. Taking it away would be like taking tackle and contact away from football, it just wouldn’t work.

[@Warriorspm]

@Undead Sonian Let's say PEDS started being prohibited and everyone went natural. They wouldn't come close to themselves being on PEDS and since bodybuilding went down that route the none freaky physiques are simply not impressive in comparison.

[@theflint7692]

agree, best they can do is regulated "health checks"

[@thomashald6750]

@Undead Sonian actually a good point, but then again l recently watched a bodybuilding show for naturals here in Denmark . The guys were ridiculous skinny. A 6 feet guy at 170 pounds doing a most muscular pose. Terrible. I respect their hard work and passion, but it tends to be somehow ridiculous. Sadly. Stay strong and undead

[@tawon1984]

@Undead Sonian I have 0 interest in having a mass monster physique. I want to be alive when my 9 year old son has children of his own one day. Healthy Buff Grandpa is my goal 👴🏽

[@jackvannote]

@Undead Sonian Granted not to most but to a certain 'cult' shall we say, of freak factor fanatics, hell yes they're even attractive!!! And good luck on your goal Grandpa!!!

[@chechapenate1355]

excelent point of view, very objective, im still sad for Rhoden, but we as fans contribuit to this, thats why i follow now clasic physic

[@Chopper650]

People are dying in their thousands per day from alcohol and cigarettes and no one beats an eyelid

[@farazalikhan5242]

We just want 70's mass and conditioning Nothing more That's true Bodybuilding for us

[@ferminordonez4275]

Still roids.

[@imhopelesslyaddictedtofent4266]

The ifbb needs to change the criteria to reward aesthetics, forcing the competitors to downsize. I also think mandatory blood tests as well as doctors/professionals hired by the ifbb to help athletes should be established. But knowing the ifbb that will never happen.

[@ZeeOwen]

They are to selfish when it comes to money

[@rogerrousco2921]

This is a video that's long in coming, and rather than point fingers and blame, one should be making studies and analyzing the information out there. Do we count Larry Scott or Sergio Oliver in the death dance of late? No, so your point that it's especially the 90s is an important fact. Great video.

[@beraa_]

Thank you Tom

[@03cobra4]

Great video. Thanks for keeping it 100.

[@woahblackbettybamalam]

Dorian set a standard of conditioning too ridiculous for most to emulate.

[@SB-jn8cw]

Rich Gaspari was the 1st guy with striated glutes

[@NilsMueller]

It has nothing to do with Dorian. Condition is part of the sport

[@samraizshoaib585]

@@NilsMueller yes, but Dorian was the one to take it to the level that it is today.

[@Tcb0835]

I agree to an extent. Dorian was an absolute genetic freak in that he reached an unbelievable level of conditioning along with incredible mass. I can equate it (strangley) to Lemmy from Motorhead. If us mere mortals tried to emulate him by living on a diet of speed, cigarettes and a bottle of Jack Daniels a day we would never make it to 70. Genetics.

[@NemeanLion-]

It’s kind of sad where we’re at. I’ve been regularly following the Mr Olympia since around 1985. I don’t remember hearing about many bodybuilder deaths until we started getting into the 90’s. I remember Benaziza and Munzer dying, but I believe they were from diuretics. Then by the late 90’s people started popping off. It’s really kind of sad. I’ve always been a fan of the 80’s and earlier. Just personal taste. These guys were massive and chiseled like gods but could still wear a pair of jeans and run to catch a bus.

[@planescaped]

"While bodybuilders might look healthy on the outside, they have BMI's comparable to the morbidly obese" Very true, a lot of people confuse a bodybuilders physique for a healthy one. A bodybuilders physique is an extreme sport, that's like comparing high-speed alpine skiing to the bunny slope. You need to dedicate your life to it, and it's not exactly healthy, and that's not even mentioning the effects of PED's...

[@groundcontrol6876]

Was about to insinuate you were watching Dr. John Campbell and then you just put up a screenshot of his channel lol. Good shit.

[@ScarfaceMich]

Honest as always. Salute!

[@CommonSenseless1993]

Nothing hurts more than seeing these guys pass away at such an early age while leaving behind young children. I pray for Shawn’s daughter.

[@lulquan4526]

I am not so sure if Classic or even Mens Physique are more safer They arent so big but They might take nearly the same dosages becausse they dont respond well to the drugs as the Open guys.

[@SuryaGD]

I get your point but, seriously what are we supposed to do? If we step back and lower the conditioning/mass criteria, there's gonna be people saying "bring back old bodybuilding".

[@BatmanBoss]

Thanks Tom

[@vishnuvarma7693]

i dont get c and v

[@SuryaGD]

Covid and vacccine

[@SanderSalamonsen]

I really wish the KZbin algorithm pushed this a lot more in the BodyBuilding side of KZbin.

[@stephenrosanelli6164]

I think another factor might be the average age of the competitors now. Most (but not all) of the classic bodybuilders from the 70's and 80's were retired by 30. I think it's possible that because many competitors are older (40 or close to 40) it puts them at a greater risk. I know there are outliers (Dallas McCarver was in his 20's), but this may be one of the biggest factors, assuming that "C" isn't playing some kind of a role in this.

[@JerkVegas86]

Yes. You use your youth to achieve a goal. Lot easier on a teenage/20s heart. After 35 too many things going on in the body to push the dosages this guy's are doing.

[@jackvannote]

What's your explanation for guys of the past eras that continue into their 40s or heck some like Al Beckles into his 60s and are still here? Its not how old you are. It's 2 other factors: A. Frist and foremost you have to be honest with yourself or pay attention to experienced trainers or Medics who evaluate your body type, genetics and potential. Too many dive full blast into the sport with bodies that just aren't meant for it. They massively abuse PEDs and everything imaginable; SEOs diuretics etc to escape from that basic fact. And the price they pay for this gargantuan lie to themselves and the fans that come to support them can be death. 2. Even the guy with the favorable and good genetics can screw up his health if he doesn't go about building his physique the right way. That's a variable that differs slightly from individual to individual and the older Weider Instinctive Principle really can't be replaced. Basically you have to go slow, steadily and with determined study as to how every aspect of what you apply to your regime effects you and be quick and amenable to make changes if what your doing is not agreeable to your overall health even if it's getting great results for others or even you. If it's causing you undue stress; if it's throwing off your blood work to beyond what's acceptable stop and readjust; there's always another angle to try. There's always another technique to use that will give you the desired responses within the parameters of reasonable good health. It's slow, it's laborious, its massively difficult and there are no real shortcuts even with modest use of gear. Its a decade long endeavor to become a top level champion at least. But if you've got the body for it and take the long slow route, with passion and dedication you'll get there and stay there like the Al Beckles and Dexter Jacksons of the sport. Many of the young deaths are because the athlete lied to himself from the start and this was not his/her best choice of sport to begin with. The whole industry cannot be demonized due to the fact its so attractive a sport that some enter it when they'd be better off engaged in another pursuit. Its kind of a complement to the sport that so many want to be a part of it they're willing to die to do so but we must be firm and discourage those that don't have what it takes early on before they risk their health. As a trainer myself I have the need to do that far more than I'd like but those who take my advice to channel their efforts elsewhere are alive and happy in the endeavor they were meant for as are the rare few which enter our sport with my encouragement. Best Jurassic Jack ISSA Certified Fitness Trainer former Mr Mass Media x6 and Grand Elite Masters Champion x2 1991-1998 now in my 60s.

[@zafi3054]

10:34 - Ruff Diesel truly has the total package 😂

[@emilos911]

lol that shoppped photo @4:16

[@CivSki]

The classic and 212 deviation is on a ton of gear also! I love CBum more than anyone to to think you can look like him naturally is crazy!

[@naturalbreed3745]

despite majority of the deaths are heart related the one main thing that affect the heart is junk food and high cholesterol which if you want to take steroids make sure to eat the healthiest diet and enough protein.

[@danielhalberstadt9984]

I think the huffing and puffing part can do with effort and overall weight you are moving. I am a natural at 6'0 190 I am finishing my cut and I still huff and puff after my shoulder presses. I really do go all out. BTW my cardio is great I do 40 on training days and 60 on rest days on the stairmaster at lvl 8. Honestly I've noticed the stronger you get the more you beathe

[@fares79aleidi]

Finally,,someone have enough BALLS to talk about Covid V and it's effect with the bodybuilders blood thickness... good job bro 😎🤜🤛😎

[@artqualitycleaningservices959]

And rest on the top

[@ejmina7770]

So you're telling me undertaker isn't really an undead person?

[@cebukid70]

I hope judges continue rewarding aesthetics and symmetry over "mutant, freaky" mass. I still think there's a bubble gut bonanza that exists with some top bodybuilders who have to " control their midsection ".. judging criteria is one minor change that can be enacted but not sure if it will definitely fix the problem

[@cisar2218]

Just little note to Rich and Dallas: Rich was taking not only steroids but every kind of drugs you can possibly think of. I think anyone expected different end of this. Dallas was taking extreme amount of gear. One one these drugs was insuline, which is one of the most unpredictable doping drug in general. Rumors sayes some of drugs he was taking wasn't even smart to use for bodybuilding pursoses (like EPO, which isn't claimed to be used 100%). Another aspect with Dallas was that whenever medical issue appeared, he just started to skipping meeting with doctors. Just lol. What a fucking suprise that he was dead at 26 y.o. This is exactly how bodybuilding shouldn't be done. (If you reply to this comment i will send link to claim my statements.)

[@nathanielhampton2559]

Actually it’s becoming more common for most nursing schools and courses it is being taught now to not aspirate. There are some negatives to both aspirating and not aspirating however it has only become that way recently. Not saying you’re wrong but I’m just saying it WAS the correct way to not aspirate in the past but in recent years it is beginning to not be thought of as the best choice. But again there are pluses and minuses to both probably depending on the compound.

[@Supersetman]

Thank you!

[@stoneHeHenge]

0:17 What are you talking about. Literally most of them acknowledged that at one point or another.

[@functionalstrength]

Good vid Tom

[@Idontagree1]

A bit out of tone to include Luke among the guys who died, as his was mental health related not steroid abuse.

[@oofmaroomph4913]

yeah, but those injections are messing up your hormone which also controls your mood, so you can say that steroids are some indirect cause of the deteriorating mental health

[@scottw3780]

No one really knows what was going on with Luke, I’m sure huge steroid abuse didn’t help his mental state

[@jackvannote]

The very air we breath being as polluted as it is these days is contributing to all our deaths. You have to draw a line somewhere between genuine cause and effect however. And steriods = suicide is a difficult line to draw. They essentially are not mind altering drugs when not abused avd when abused at worse lead to rage. If Sandoe directed rage at himself there were other underlying causes.

[@zacharyisaacs4912]

C and V?

[@jackvannote]

Covid & Vaccine

[@edgykoolkididk3976]

What's the c or v stuff he's talking about?

[@SuryaGD]

Covid and vaccine

[@Polandsyndromebodybuilding]

They problem is, they need to come in bigger and harder.

[@Osiwan960]

fun fact: a lot of people are not even interested in being healthy or longevity, all they want is the result they dream of wether it's glory, fame, wealth or just big muscle period. They just don't care about the rest so even if you try to "save" them from dying young there's no use, they have made up their minds and are 10000% focused on the goal no matter the cost. Would you rather live to the fullest, achieve all you dream of at the cos of dying at 45 or live a boring, unfulfilled rut until 90?

[@حمیدرضابهرامی-ز6ط]

I'm waiting so bad for Calves series 🙏🏻

[@swoldier67]

It's important to emphasize that your chance of death or clotting related complications are FAR greater from covid itself versus the vaccine. It's an easy numbers game. You minimize (not eliminate) risk to your health by choosing to vaccinate. In terms of aspiration for IM injections, the most up to date literature shows that it's only necessary for dorsogluteal injections because it's the only injection site that you'd be remotely close to a major artery.

[@lauraspitz440]

100% true. Also so far, no data (data up to 7/21) suggests that COVID-19 vac cause an increase in blood pressure. But research has found that people with uncontrolled or untreated high blood pressure may be at risk of getting severely ill with COVID.

[@jinxluvver3909]

Quads ???

[@bigdm9349]

I'd love to see a source for clotting factor comparisons between c and v. Please linked your numbers

[@zhazhae5513]

Interesting. However, as far as my observance, no professional bodybuilders died because of the covid in the past or this year, e.i. Roelly, Dexter, Hollingshead. Those that got it, recover and continue today. What do you think about it?

[@jackvannote]

@@zhazhae5513 and you can add Rafeal Brandão to thst list. Had it very bad last year and is competing now looking great. V worse than c? I donno??.

[@watchus020]

How about the v's you need to take to go to some countries? Are they as dangerous for these guys or is there something special about this c v.

[@SkrimpKing]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Luke Sandoe commit suicide?

[@dharmawarrior111]

Professional bodybuilding is one of the few sports I still follow precisely because of its absurd excess, the spectacle and that the athletes are risking their lives. No one is under any illusions that this is isn't what they sign up for.

[@theflint7692]

I told one of my friends, "being a fan of bodybuilding is like watching how many school buses Evel Knievel can jump over"

[@ayofoee6425]

Great video

[@stephenbrand5661]

I just read about Cedric McMillan's death, had no idea he'd died until I checked the old bodybuilding channels I used to watch yesterday and saw his picture on a thumbnail about bb'ers dying. Apparently he had a heart attack while doing cardio but he also had a near fatal incident a year prior that was brought on by breathing problems related to the "vid" since he had such a serious infection. But yeah another thing I was thinking about was all the nandrolone these guys use. Everything I've ever heard about deca seems to suggest that it's the absolute worst when it comes to cardiovascular damage.

[@denzel9455]

Believe me it's the high dose of cocktails they use it can never be deca only.

[@djmannysaint]

? Is there a correlation between these deaths and them getting the 19 shoots?

[@ernicussteyn3749]

Heart health is directly connected to mitochondria health, so is most heart, organ and brain failure, the rapid decline in mitochondria, heteroplasmy rate, drastically reduced a persons life span, bodybuilders should look at how to increase their mitochondria biogenesis, to live longer..

[@streetspirit956]

The classis physique guys are also juiced up to the max!

[@93Beefcake]

great vid

[@ABD5667]

Whose to say classic guys aren't using as much PEDs as open or 212. It's very possible that some open and some classic are using about the same

[@Tomn8er]

They might be running high doses but guaranteed no where near the same levels as Open. Plus I doubt they are using things like insulin at all since that's about packing on pure size.

[@vincent21212]

I dont think being an athlete was ever about longevity, in any discipline. Top athleticism has always about pushing the limits of the body and mind, which is a sacrifice most arent willing to make.

[@jackhayward6716]

What is v

[@dermaltec7243]

Body building is amazing and empowering but yes in the competitive world every advantage and edge is used and the limits have been pushed soooo far…just a few years of abuse especially with no monitoring can destroy your body…be safe and smart 👍

[@bladetc]

To be precise, bodybuilding is a sport. However, bodybuilding competition is a beauty pageant show. That why you never hear them saying they are going to a race, or a game but they always refer it as a show.

[@sage6336]

Also in strongman

[@Jiangtianzhao]

First I don’t regrade bodybuilding as “a sport” as I used to be 5 years ago. Tell me another sport is not about enhancing body functions and only judging about the outlook of, not performance, but body parts. Bodybuilding in essence is like Miss World but in masculine division , Miss World is in feminine division. Second bodybuilding is about drugs. If you do detail research you will discover no steroids no bodybuilding, before they don’t synthetic drugs but still use natural sources testosterone etc.

[@KN3TO]

The most important thing is not dying... rip to all deceased

[@WannaBeLevrone]

Huffing and puffing is due to intensity

[@DJ_Pizano]

To be fair. Franco died at 78.

[@streetspirit956]

What is C and V?

[@SuryaGD]

Covid and vaccine

[@satyaprakashkarsharma6084]

man why using NIck's video for this type of video

[@karlbeckmann617]

They should put weight caps on the open based on height. This would also help keep some of the asthetics in the open class.