The New iPhone 15 Pro Max Is A Gaming Console! Hands-On Testing

[@NivLoewenberg]

The difference in scores between Geekbench and Antutu (iPhone winning in CPU in one but losing in the other) is because the testing done in Geekbench is similar between the iOS and Android versions, and thus more relevant (as relevant as synthetic benchmarks can get, which is not a lot). While Antutu's tests (verified and confirmed by its developer) are completely different between Android and iOS. Meaning you can compare Android vs. Android, and iOS vs. iOS, but not Android vs. iOS really.

[@viacominternational1000]

Question:this is so bad there is no control that appears on the screen in the other game of Playstation 5

[@nathanstevenson100]

If I could wish for two features on the software side of things: 1. Emulation support 2. Samsung Dex-like interface. Probably never going to happen, but it would be cool.

[@bradchikenheart2]

You can sideload emulators.

[@user-fc4ez9cg9q]

Just buy an Android. Stop complaining

[@lrc3847]

Second one is likely to happen. They can sell people the interface of iPad OS with lesser features.

[@Imtowavy]

@@bradchikenheart2 how

[@reo1994]

@@bradchikenheart2 explain

[@blackstar-genX]

Apple talked the talk now it's time for them to walk the walk. Let's hope they keep their promises work on gaming more. I don't game on Apple but that doesn't mean others don't.

[@Knoah321]

If console games on Apple devices take off, then the devs may also consider Android ports.

[@arkhalis3682]

@@Knoah321 I hope so

[@Ciqaeda]

others don't either, this is for people who actually want use out of their phone

[@Ghostviperz]

Even without AAA gaming apple is a a game selling beast.

[@PeakKissShot]

​@@Knoah321they will not, there is nothing in common between the two

[@jonsmith6331]

My perspective is that mobile game cash machines proved too profitable for traditional gaming to ever be worth it for AAA developers to develop “console” experiences for mobile. And worse yet, the micro transaction model ended up poisoning consoles games too. The graphics have been up to standards for these types of games on iPhone for a decade but Apple has never pushed for iPhone to become a PSP or DS because there is no financial reason to do it. If they wanted it you’d see a first-party Apple controller. And it’s been like this forever.

[@kninezbanks]

The iphone is unique in that it shares the same architecture hardware/software wise with their mac pcs....any game ported to apple silicon macbooks can be tweaked easily to run on their entire ecosystem given the device has enough power (A17/M1).....Apple also has universal purchase like xbox smart delivery. Buy a game on your iphone, play it on your imac, mac mini, macbook pro, macbook air, ipads, even future apple TVs....Apple silicon is more tightly optimized than consoles....with apple releasing and constantly updating their "game porting toolkit" for developers to easily port their games to Arm/Metal apple devices......bringing games to iphones/ipads will be a breeze..........It's androd that's too vast in terms of hardware configurations, cheap and filled with piracy that will never get on that level.

[@bandito241]

Apple don’t even make games, and you want them to make a controller for gamers?😂

[@adriandotexe]

​@@kninezbanksok but we're not talking about hardware capabilities. Mobile devices have had the capabilities to play light-to-medium games for a long time now. The problem is that the mobile game ecosystem has devolved into a greedy pay2win ad-pocalypse, and there are basically no games worth playing on mobile outside of emulation.

[@denisruskin348]

Yep. As usual, stupid gamers paying for micro transactions shape the market. Supply and demand.

[@miloshp7399]

​@@kninezbanks Touchscreen is very limited input for gaming. That's why true mobile gaming never developed the same way. (Yeah You can buy gamepad for mobile but it's not standard equipment) meanwhile every PC had Keyboard+mouse and it's turned out good enough for a lot of game genres. Game consoles are self explanatory. So yeah, input limited smartphones to clickfests.

[@Bigheadedwon]

One of the best things about games on Apple Arcade, Apple doesn’t allow for any sort of micro-transactions. Yeah it costs $10 a month, but you get the full games with no limits and no in app purchases

[@xiampiii]

Best thing to happen on iOS mobile games was the Arcade Store tbh

[@eyloiw]

was waiting for a confirmation that usb-c controllers worked. glad to know they work just fine.

[@SmKdUpKillz]

Does the gamesir x2 pro work with the usb c on the iPhone 15? Seen comments on Reddit saying it don’t yet

[@dylanmacintosh]

I was just coming back to this video to look for this information- when I plug my Gamesir X2 Pro USB-C into my iPhone 15 Pro, the tiny white light above the Xbox button just blinks… no controls unfortunately. I’m wondering if I can update this thing or if I should just return it :-/

[@TroutButter]

I have a 15 Pro Max 1TB on the way and I'm coming from an iPhone SE (2020), and before that a 6S, so this should be a big difference. I never liked the notch so I was avoiding the newer iPhones but the dynamic island is ok. I have a clip for the xbox controller, and a PS5 controller clip is on the way and I also have a backbone on the way.

[@Cyko..]

And then what?

[@EibrahamCx]

Get the iPhone 15 pro Max for gaming rigth now is not a good idea. There's no game that you can play on the iPhone 15 and you cannot on the SE(except AAA like Resident evil), but the AAA wont give you a good experiencie (low graphics,30 fps and 720p, thermal throttling). So the better in my opinion is wait for the nex models. if you wanna play right now then Buy a xbox o PS.

[@Cyko..]

@@EibrahamCx Yeah who buys a $1500 phone for gaming? Dumbest thing I ever heard. Better off getting a Steam Deck.

[@jj-icejoe6642]

Too much money waste

[@Mastermind3838]

what game do you need that device for?

[@SirBlicks]

fyi, the iPhone Antutu test uses a different api than android so the scores are different even if the iPhone is actually faster.

[@elmalora4050]

The item description is always on point, I noticed that when connect a phone to an adjustable controler with Type C connection is better to push it up and then slide it down, so you don't damage The C port on the phone in the long run.

[@mattdavis9601]

For the Razer and Backbone, yes. The GameSir X2 Pro has a really cool trick; the USB port pivots. You're actually supposed to plug it in first, then extend the controller, and lay the phone down into it.

[@mrmcphisto]

what's the name of the app at min: 04:36?

[@dianaalyssa8726]

Insane how far we've gotten to get to this point. TYVM for covering.

[@jernaugurgeh451]

This is wild, if you really think about it. Console quality gaming on a phone, with full 1080p 60fps output to TVs and BlueTooth controller support. We’ve come a long way from ‘Snake’ on a Nokia 3310.

[@esperago]

Totally wild. Not just wild but outrageous! I can now pay $2498 Canadian to play three year old games from my $300 Xbox. Outstanding!

[@deadlypyre]

@@esperago lol all these fools are justifying iPhone gaming is pathetic

[@trzarector]

Apple have been in gaming for years as we know but with this release things feel very different. Now all their hardware is pretty much unified things are about to get interesting. I think the generally positive response will spur Apple on to really push gaming. Imagine what Vision Pro will be able to offer!!!

[@maevwat]

their os is what limits theeir phones, they should add sideloading sooner

[@fcf8269]

Apple has been in gaming? When? :D Pipping was their only console, which was made by Bandai BTW, and failed. Games on OSX were never a thing and people installed Windows with Bootcamp, just to play games, as the ports for OSX until recently were quite rare. Now you start to see more games because they are ports from Android, as people use mainly Unity... Apple is not moving a finger for gaming LOL All they do is a newer CPU with faster speed; like everyone else.

[@mikehatten5738]

Apple has the most efficiently designed silicon in the world. The performance per watt is off the charts. Then add in the tsmc 3nm and you have a potential mobile handheld competitor…if apple sticks with it which they probably won’t 😂

[@fcf8269]

@@mikehatten5738 Ok, let's see that when it happens LOL. They could not make a gaming console even if they would literally buy Nintendo 🤣 They figured out how to make phones 15 years ago and tablets, and that's all they know how to make, as you can see from their lineup, so they stick with what they know make them money

[@Bigheadedwon]

@@fcf8269Apple Arcades actually pretty good. And Apple doesn’t allow the games to have any in app purchases. Which I can’t say about any other platform. While most of the games on it aren’t AAA there a few and they’ll have more in the future I’m sure. It’s good to download a game where I already know I won’t have to buy shit in it. And at least the 10 games I’ve tried, playing with a PS5 Dualsense controller has been great

[@anglo-saxonconnor817]

Smartphones were already gaming mobile consoles almost a decade ago. Console level triple A games used to be available on smartphones until they become too big of a threat to traditional console and pc gaming that their development were halt and stop on mobiles which is such a great shame.

[@powerhouse884]

NOT CURRENT GEN, we are not talking about PS2 games lol. There haven’t been any PS4 games on mobile either.

[@MistaMaddog247]

Yeah we had awesome iPhone games like Infinity Blade a decade ago, but Apple instead pushes all the crappy freemium games that were ported from Android instead. That's what "killed" mobile games in the eyes of hardcore gamers. Apple Arcade was supposed to fix it but it was too little too late...

[@aynrandom3004]

what triple a games were on mobile? I don't think the technology back then could run a triple a game. There were ports though but the quality is subpar

[@powerhouse884]

@@MistaMaddog247 NO, that game developer is no longer working dude. They worked with Epic Games so go figure. Apple has been pushing indie developers with Apple Arcade and they have A LOT of good games in there. Now they are bringing console games and they are CROSS BUY between iOS, iPad and MacOS. Since is the same game you get it in all platforms. That doesn’t sound like a company screwing gamers or developers or with freemium or whatever you say.

[@minskwatcher]

I'd say lack of sufficient capacity options killed it last time. With current gen games being easily over 100GB each you can see why.

[@dmoster]

Small correction: all iPhone 15 models do support up to 4K at 60Hz, but it’s likely that they only actually push that when using some productivity apps or watching videos. I’d be surprised if many (or even any) games can go into 4K mode at the moment.

[@Blox117]

big correction: geekbench is a lie

[@matisvanasse5905]

@@Blox117 cope harder lmaoo

[@Blox117]

@@matisvanasse5905 imagine not understanding anything about computers

[@matisvanasse5905]

@@Blox117 Creator of Antutu said themselves that the benchmark aren't comparable cross platform. iOS score ≠ Android score. Geekbench on the other hand does. And it use real life realistic task for it benchs. In the past for super fast soc geekbench 4/5 tests were too easy for them and they didn't use the max capacity of these cpu/gpu but with geekbench 6. It been resolved. You cope because you can't accept that Apple lead the mobile soc world. (For years now lol).

[@Blox117]

@@matisvanasse5905 so basically you are an apple shill lol. sorry bud, the geekbench scores are meaningless. even comparing an android flagship to an iphone, the android is better at gaming. and then when you look at PC vs anything apple it supposed to be this amazing thing. But in the real world it just gets absolutely destroyed.

[@kaiyoszn]

I’m honestly excited to upgrade from my 13 and seeing Apple push forward on the gaming market, expanding their Apple Arcade catalog plus the new triple A ports is exciting!

[@1johnmill]

I truly admire the upgrades on Apple and Android. But smartphones died when SD cards wasn't included with the new phones.

[@justaadhdgamerwesley6244]

​@SeptemberWhiteheadphone jack too :)

[@1johnmill]

I still have a note 10+

[@pedr0_m198]

sony phones still have them, i currently use a moto g100 and it has micro sd, jack and 870 processor, so pretty decent

[@Universal.G]

and removable batteries.

[@HolyRamanRajya]

@@justaadhdgamerwesley6244 And a replaceable battery. Also you can't make me buy console games twice, when I can already have one copy running on multiple devices with handhelds.

[@TheUncannyOne]

Nice but doesn’t it get hot without a fan on it?

[@Hymanator]

That's wild! I haven't really been an Apple fan since the original iPhone, but it's awesome to see them enter the gaming race in a substantial way.

[@extra4542]

It sucks that display output is so basic with iPhone. Like you can’t even turn off the screen while connected to a display which sucks

[@FragmentedDisc]

Love the video, I just had a question for you regarding performance. I myself use a controller whenever I can, however I did notice that the performance of most games are much worse when using touch screen controls on the 15 Pro. Just wondering if you've seen the same results since you mentioned you look out for stuttering. Games like Genshin Impact perform fantastic with a controller, but pretty abysmal with touch screen controls. I've noticed this issue on games like Diablo Immortal and Terraria even. You can use an FPS counter on Terraria and the FPS visibly goes down when you touch the screen.

[@FarukAzam-e5t]

❤দ

[@haihengh]

for iphone most likely the heat is causesing cpu throttle. i think there are phone coller in amazon, pick them up, and since it's USB type c now, it is easy to find all sort of docks that can provide you the power in and HDMI out, plug those in will get your iphone into pretty stable performance output.

[@sbell651]

Apple should really make it so the screen can be turned off when connected to external display. Seems like this would help with power and heat.

[@blackbird5667]

Buy some non conductive liquid and dip that thing in there. It’s “waterproof” so I don’t see why it couldn’t handle liquid cooling

[@marrgielaa22]

@@blackbird5667water resistent not proof

[@Blueyzachary]

I already stole my grandma’s 15 Pro Max for a few hours and played Minecraft on her TV with some JoyCons for a few hours

[@zeronin4696]

For the amount of money it should do my chores too

[@Jampper]

I'm on 13 Pro and it runs games really great. Upgrading to the next new one from my company's side (New one each 3 years) This time to the Pro Max version. I hope it will be a power house and we start to get more console games on App Store :).

[@HomiebeaR_]

I wonder how hot the phone gets after 20 to 30 mins of gameplay and how that affects long gaming sessions.

[@SBruv]

Very, very hot indeed… It’s quite wild.

[@SBruv]

@@Kuradeel The bug fix wasn't announced when I wrote my post, but even so, we have no idea whether or not it will really make any difference. And yes, I've gamed on many phones before, and none of them have got as hot as this one. Never seen this warning you mention, though.

[@SBruv]

@@Kuradeel Let's just wait and see what difference it makes for gaming, shall we?

[@emptyedits.]

I hope this makes developers want to port more consoles games to iPhone and Android.

[@bigbadslimee]

putting games on android = your game being pirated

[@JJ115j]

​@@bigbadslimeeevery time is more difficult to download pirated games on android

[@coronaextra667]

android already has way more games on them vs iphone. emulation is way better too

[@Omar-kl3xp]

@@coronaextra667 have more games but they are less optimised too ,hence why most best games are first optimised by the iPhone and then by android ,they prioritise IPhones because they make more money that way .Also having more games doesn’t mean you have more quality games ,don’t get it twisted,it is easier to deploy a game in the play store then it is in the Apple Store as Apple tend to be more rigid on the quality of the app that you want to release .

[@JessieJamesPlays]

@@bigbadslimee then just add an always online requirement/sign in to a google account to verify that you own the game I’m not a fan of this (and all forms of DRM) but it’s only justified for android considering there’s alot of pirates

[@Danymok]

Idk what the hype about this iPhone's gaming capabilities were. People were calling it a console competitor, but it is still just running mobile games. It's performing well and I know it has one of the best mobile CPUs, but it's still just playing mobile games.

[@devclassic00]

Thank you for finally showing a comparison point during benchmarks you should really do this for all benchmarks since you have the data anyway

[@bassderek]

The Gamesir X2 Pro and Kishi V1 do NOT work with the iPhone 15 - that is misinformation. Kishi V2 and backbone do.

[@DATApush3r]

You'd hope it would be able to do a little gaming with an MSRP starting at $1,200 USD.

[@thenikhilray99]

I honestly think people who buy iPhones generally are not that serious about gaming. Any semi serious gamer would get a cheap Switch lite for gaming on the go or a Steam deck.

[@haihengh]

you can do the same thing with normal iphone, doesn't need to be pro max, it starts at 799, still expensive, but few hundred bucks less expensive. same for andriod phone, if you want any good gaming performance, they start around 700-800 bucks, anything below that isn't going to be very good.

[@Paddyhudson]

Can’t wait to get my sweet iPhone gaming setup in place. Phone stand, USB hub, Ethernet, charger, HDMI to the TV and a USB fan to handle the cooling.

[@denisruskin348]

The fact this tiny sub 200g device without active cooling can run Death Stranding or RE4R is just insane. And with MetalFX you can pair it to a monitor and TV and actually have a PS4ish experience. Just imagine emulation. I bet it will do everything at 1x speed outside PS3.

[@GgGg-xw3hj]

For emulation the hardware is definitely here don't get me wrong, but the limitations of iOS make the whole process unbearable.

[@Pipsispite]

for 8 minutes until it throttles to below A15 performance and fries your hands :D

[@denisruskin348]

@@Pipsispite well the tests indicate a drop in fps but it’s still playable. And with the Switch like controllers existing, why would you ever want to play say RE Village with touch is beyond me :D

[@Pipsispite]

@@denisruskin348 True. Still at a very low resolution with upscaling so it’ll never look good on a big screen. Real switch 2 vibes lol. It’s still a massive improvement.

[@TVCHLORD]

apple will be forced to allow third party apps early next year by the EU @@GgGg-xw3hj

[@xefwyn]

I’ve been gaming all day on this thing it’s so awesome!

[@mogberry2139]

What games have you been playing though that push this?

[@xefwyn]

@@mogberry2139 FF: Ever Crisis, Honkai, and Fortnite mainly but also some classics. Don’t have any current consoles so I’m very much looking forward to the resident evil games

[@mogberry2139]

@@xefwyn you tried playing max settings? How long til they get hot? Playing on mid on 13pro max. Thinking of getting the 15promax. Also Fortnite for iOS?

[@xefwyn]

@@mogberry2139 yes I can play everything on max settings. It stays cool if I play connected to the tv but if I play in mobile mode it gets hot faster from having my hands hold it. I also use the Paradigm case. It has gel and vents that help keep the phone cool. Yea I play Fortnite through Xbox cloud

[@tipoomaster]

Could you do a test of display dimming with gaming heat in something like Star Rail vs previous iPhones?

[@firip255]

The Problem is here yes. Throtteling

[@akaTheReaver]

After watching your video, I went and bought a GameSir X2 Pro to use with my iPhone 15 Pro. I cannot get it to work. Could you share what you did to get it to work?

[@SmKdUpKillz]

Did it work for you?

[@Universal.G]

If only it supported Steam games...

[@doalwa]

Yeah, that’d be perfect. But Apple seems to think I’m willing to buy Resident Evil 4 and Death Stranding a third time for 60 bucks…sorry Tim, think again.

[@jtw1821]

I would like to see side loaded apps running emulation

[@GgGg-xw3hj]

Emulators are broken in iOS 17

[@MMD88]

@@GgGg-xw3hjalt-jit on windows is broken but I assume using something like sidestore should work fine if you don’t have a mac since it emulates a local mac

[@jtw1821]

Bummer thank you for the information

[@Zvxers7]

The geekbench has an apple bias, i wouldn't believe them

[@-AmirulNaim]

they really needs to support external sd card they're really into turning iphone to triple A gaming devices 😅

[@fumeiusr]

If you have a usb hub with an sd slot it does actually read it

[@xXSHADOWMATTERXx]

I assume the external ssd for video recording could also work in this case

[@fpeezdoo9859]

@@xXSHADOWMATTERXx direct video recording to an external SSD was announced as an official feature. With SSD recording, you can use ProRes 4K at 60 FPS. As for the SD cards, they are too slow for everything

[@NoHandle690]

It does, lol

[@radionerdxbox]

8:20 how are you able to get the game to stretch to the outside edge of the screen? Mine is always matted with chungus borders on all sides.

[@fpeezdoo9859]

Antutu developers asked not to compare iOS vs Android scores because "different algorithms are used on these platforms", but tech reviewers seem to have forgotten this

[@kervenauguste8059]

I was waiting for this!!

[@SHANGAR]

Hi can you try emulation on that beast

[@billydelacey]

I'm holding out to upgrade from my iPad Mini 5 to the Mini 7. I can't wait!

[@paoooba]

Bro just discovered something Androids knows for years 😂

[@ttimegaming740]

Beating Resident Evil and Death Stranding, Lies of P is already available on the App Store and, as far as I can tell, that's the first AAA console experience being brought (with parity) to the App Store. It would be cool to see how that performs in a future video!

[@Frederik-xk8og]

lies of p is not on iPhone

[@Anon1370]

lies of p not on iphone its on mac but it still could come to iphone down the line

[@ttimegaming740]

@@Frederik-xk8og Oh you're right - my mistake!

[@ttimegaming740]

@@Anon1370 Ah, yes you're right! My mistake!

[@AntiGrieferGames]

Lies of Pi is not on iphone/ipad but on pc but it has with denuvo drm

[@jernaugurgeh451]

Why do so many people harp on about Apple not being ‘into gaming’ just because there are allegedly few mainstream AAA ports to macOS? Do you not know about Apple Arcade? And have you not seen how much the mobile gaming (and therefore iOS) market is worth? It shits on PC and consoles in terms of revenue and profit generated. I personally don’t play games on my iPhone, but beyond that I’ve been happily playing tons of games on my MacBooks for over a decade, even though I build my own gaming PCs. Over a third of my Steam library is playable on macOS, plus plenty in my Epic, Gog and Itch libraries. I’m currently enjoying Divinity Original Sin and Celeste on my MacBook Air M1, and looking forward to getting stuck into Disco Elysium and then Wasteland 3. Of course, it’s not really gaming if it’s not COD, is it? Gotta love the g@MerZ (Side note: I also do game dev as a hobby, and over the past few years have been using Unity, Godot, Defold, and GameMaker on my MacBook without issues. UE5 installs and runs okay, but it’s a bit too demanding for my lowly base model Air to be altogether useful!)

[@cmorche]

It's unbelievable that Apple included video out on their first USB-C iPhone, yet Google has intentionally prevented it with every Pixel they have made. I'm getting to the end of my patience with Android.

[@haihengh]

apple has video out for iphone as far back as original iphone, of course they carry that over to type-c

[@JoseGarcia-mi4ig]

Gonna patiently wait for an iPad mini with the A17 😤😤

[@sadiqraga3451]

I am excited, for different reason. Not an Apple fan, but Apple is the trend setter. Hopefully this meant we'll get AAA games on android too. Imagine if we can play Steam games on android/IOS? Some may argue low performance, or overheating, or touch screen bad. Controller exist, powerbank exist, and if mobile phone become Steam compatible, you can play older, less demanding games too which isn't too hard for your phone. Still better playing games like Skyrim or older Assassin's Creed than some gacha trash.

[@omarabdul2864]

Android one is coming out 5 october i heard, a gaming cloud

[@tonyburzio4107]

Android uses Qualcomm, and they have nothing to touch the Apple chips. Nothing.

[@PSy84]

@@tonyburzio4107 app and game developers dont spend enough time for android due to apk and piracy,..and iPhone users tend to buy more. So no AAA games native to android. Even the video says developers wont even make controller support for Genshin impact in android…that’s easy but they dont. How much more in developing AAA games for android where most users dont like paying

[@morm2173]

Samsung has been able to do this for years and i do this wirelessly with my s23 ultra. I play mario 3d world on my samsung TV

[@thedinosaurz]

I am playing Mario galaxy 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@morm2173]

@thedinosaurz I play mario odyssey on my s23 ultra

[@zzzoid]

To be honest the only thing that keeps me from switching back to iPhone is the lack of emulators on appstore. The last iPhone i had was iPhone X. I am not really willing to jailbreak the device anymore because of the need to stay on lower versions on iOS and the danger of missing the latest security patches. Hopefully the EU laws will push apple to allow third party appstores without the need of signing the apps every week. As soon as there will be third party appstores i will switch from my S22 Ultra without hesitation.

[@powerhouse884]

I have iPhone 13 and i added AltStore and downloaded a few emulators. NO Jailbreak required. After all I barely use it, but you can do it. I guess some people complain for not having something and when you do you barely pay any attention to it. I am not missing anything on my iPhone 13. Will gladly get the 15 now just for Resident Evil 4.

[@itsquiwi8780]

​@@powerhouse884this is the type of fanboy mindset that is toxic I hope you realize your ways but come one stop being a fan boy 😂

[@zzzoid]

@@powerhouse884 yeah I know about altstore but you need to run the server for it on Mac to sign the apps for you, don't you? Plus you were limited on the number of apps you could side load. I preferred untethered jailbreak and app that automatically re-signed apps for me that run locally on iPhone.

[@powerhouse884]

@@itsquiwi8780 WTf are you talking about? 🤡

[@robmalcolm8042]

@@powerhouse884man that shit is an annoying ass process tho. You need to sign apps every 7 days and tried to do it with two windows computers and it wouldn’t even let me install iTunes or there was another issue. Unless you have a mac that’s not that “old” then maybe the process is easier. Android not only can download any emulator easily it also has access to forks of emulators that allow you to play games that don’t even run good on iPhone at even upscaled resolution with just a minor sacrifice to accuracy.

[@DaltonGoesSlow]

Been waiting for console games to come to mobile for so long. I'm one of those people who uses dongles to play GameCube games on my fold5 with 4 controllers on a TV. This has seriously made me consider getting an iPhone

[@Gabilleta]

I'm not the biggest fan of Apple products or their business practices. What intrigues me about a new iPhone launch, is the competition it brings to the market. I would still pick an Android over this for NUMEROUS reasons. But if there's anyone that can get developers to consider mobile gaming seriously, that would be Apple. I just hope that it translate to the entire mobile market, not just an Apple exclusive that dies after a year.

[@robmalcolm8042]

I think a problem that plagues them the most is longevity. Yes they can be supported for a while. Yes they can have a decent quality. But you know what’s not? Once that support period ends apps start to not work, I’ve seen a comparison of the first Android and iPhone and only the Android was able to use KZbin the iPhone was a brick and this is years later. App support is way longer on Android.

[@San58-e3f]

For Genshin Impact, you have to try it in Sumeru map, if it runs flawlessly there at 60 fps for more than 2 hours then , I have to give credits to iPhone 15 pro max cause at the moment my iphone 11 pro max can run genshin at 60 fps in Mondstadt flawlessly.

[@hibikiholmes2867]

If enthusiasts could somehow come up with a custom OS for this or even just enable sideloading, then this will finally be an interesting piece of tech for me to try out.

[@MMD88]

There is a way to sideload (sidestore) and there are all types of emulators like dolphin and ppsspp and retroarch and even 3ds recently using emuthreeds

[@titostech1890]

You can already side load with Altstore. It’s just a pain in the ass to keep the emulators working. You have to certify the emulators every 7 days and sometimes you just forget to. Hopefully the EU can push Apple to allow side loading soon.

[@brosplit]

Not worth the hassle. Just buy an android or handheld x86

[@hdslave]

Could just buy any other device for 1/10th the price and double the software and capability

[@MMD88]

@@hdslave why carry multiple devices or pay extra when you are already carrying one that’s more than capable.

[@yos025]

Did you notice overheating issues as lots of content creators are reporting?

[@Phildo8]

I went with the 15 Pro blue titanium from my 12 Pro and absolutely love it! Being mobile gaming is mainly what I do after talking & text. I’m stuck on what controller to go with. Do I go with Backbone(especially since you get access to their app and library & Geforce cloud) or do I go Razer Kishi? Or the new one you showed Game Sir? Granted I’ve never used any of them. I’ve been using the controller I got off Temu that looks like you’re holding a Nintendo Switch with the colors & size but it’s worked flawlessly for $5 I think it was.

[@digglerdiggler]

I remember the really bad gaming experiences on iphones due to closed down connectivity to gamepads and external screens. Will never try that again after switching to Android years ago.

[@Bilal.Hussain.Shaikh]

I prefer Android phone then iPhones at anyday, mainly Huawei, Honor or Motorola

[@Medeci]

doesn't Huawei run HarmonyOS

[@kevindie]

*_LOL_*

[@robmalcolm8042]

Samsung is 4 years OS and 5 security that’s the closest as of now to iOS and one u.I is super smooth now they have done a great job.

[@GgGg-xw3hj]

​@@powerhouse884 Android is based on Linux, Android is closer to Linux than iOS, the iOS kernel is heavily modified.

[@robmalcolm8042]

@@powerhouse884are you slow? Android is also based around Linux. iOS is BSOD that is not Linux that is a older OS style that runs native apps that the phone still can’t handle. My iPhone 13 can’t open some webpages open properly and loses cellular signal all the time. Lags as well so so much for native performance. Android even as virtual my s23 ultra runs way better than my iPhone and doesn’t lag or lose cell signal at all.

[@cristian.social]

8:56 The PC version of the game is different from the IOS version (cropped), if you look closely the trees look blurry due to the lack of anisotropic filtering on the iPhone, on PC it is clear because it has filtering.

[@TerenceCole]

Great and informative video as always!

[@juansalgado6212]

Still rocking an iPhone X because of my jailbreak 🙏🏼

[@denisruskin348]

I have one as a backup phone along my 13 PM. It's incredible how little the X has aged. Outside photos with worse lighting and battery (which you can always swap for a new one) it's 95% of the 13PM speed with the usual usage. And that OLED display is still gorgeous as ever. Really a phone ahead of it's time. Only problem is no iOS 17...

[@juansalgado6212]

@@denisruskin348 yup. this phone could outlast time itself but capitalism needs to design for obsolescence.

[@zandatsu07]

​@@juansalgado6212My friend is still rocking his iPhone 7 with glowing apple logo mod in the back

[@ajjones64]

Sometimes, I will use the 'screen mirroring' function on my iphone then push it to my Apple TV. That was my work around for not having a USB-C connection to a monitor.

[@Andrewe1]

Sideloading on iOS would turn into an insane powerhouse...Hopefully the EU nudges apple in the right direction like they did with type-c.

[@eivis13]

It's likelier an iphone gets removable than an open source app store and sideloading.

[@MichaelGGarry]

Side-loading is bad for the vast majority. Apple will fight it all the way and rightly so.

[@eivis13]

@@MichaelGGarry Side loading is good if you have more than 2 brain cells. If you have 2 or less you're more likely to be anti side loading and very likely buy Apple products.

[@SBruv]

Wow… no mention of the show-stopping amount of heat coming off the thing during gameplay, then? It literally gets too hot to hold comfortably after a few minutes of anything 3D. Surely this is quite a negative, no?

[@noname-vl6vy]

that looks stupid there should be a feature like "dex mode" for apple maybe "macbook air mode" just saying

[@powerhouse884]

Its on iPadOS not iOS. There is no reason for this on a Phone. Samsung does it cuz their tablets don’t sell as much. But its a bit stupid to dedicate resources to it on iOS.

[@MMD88]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@powerhouse884not stupid, the iphone could be a legit competitor to the likes of the Nintendo Switch. It has more than enough power and it’s a huge market. If they make a proper UI and a good first party controller then why would you waste your money on a switch when all you need to do is buy a controller for your phone.

[@powerhouse884]

@@MMD88 Dude, this is a phone, get a grip. They are already supporting Indie developers and Console game support. They can treat it as a handheld since it was meant to be an on the Go device. The entire desktop Ui is unnecessary here. They have iPadOS for that, just play it on an iPad

[@MMD88]

@@powerhouse884 you get my point don’t you? The iPhone has everything it needs to be an extremely powerful gaming handheld. All that’s stopping it is software and games. If Apple doubles down on gaming (porting games, making 1st party controllers and docks, and adding good UI) they would kill the competition. But this is apple we’re talking about, they probably won’t add a desktop ui so that it doesn’t compete with macs but a gaming hub might be possible.

[@powerhouse884]

@@MMD88 SONY and Microsoft have an ENTIRE division that handles Games. Apple can’t just invest resources on it like that. They treat it as an additional service Available in their ecosystem. The Apple Arcade games they have are console quality level. They are just not promoted outside of Apple Arcade so no one ever hears from them. But they have a TMNT multiplayer game and a Castlevania, Family Guy not available on PC or consoles. NOW they are promoting Console current gen games since these are also available on MacOS not just iOS. They have cross buy, don’t think Apple will make a big deal out of this unless they acquire Gaming Studios for them.

[@trey_a_12]

Now all we need is a proper desktop mode, like Samsung’s Dex or their already-existing Stage Manager for iPads. That way, we could get full screen at least for the apps that do support it, at least on standard 16:9 monitors.

[@wizpizz]

I wouldn't call a smartphone that is only limited to its AppStore and cannot emulate anything a "gaming console" lol

[@HolyRamanRajya]

Also, I'll bet unlike owning something on Steam, one would have to pay for the same again just because it's on another device.

[@magica_ch_]

You can use emulators on iOS if you use a side loading tool like altstore, and it doesn’t require jailbreaking. I’ve used my iPad to play GC and Wii games

[@azenyr]

The most powerful hardware can't change the fact that all mobile games even brand new ones still look like 2010-level of home console games or even 2005-level pc games. Mobile game devs just don't see a profit on making a game that all those kids with $180 phones that actually get addicted to mobile games

[@UserX-02]

Cydia on iphone 15 when

[@GgGg-xw3hj]

Lmao

[@AzwanIdris]

how about stability at 3d mark? i see game 'stutter' alot. 8:32 8:42 8:58 9:01

[@aaronhayton3544]

This shows that if apple wanted to, they could have the Apple TV be more than a streaming box, but the lack of game support and console style games kills any hope of that. I don't want to play crossy road or some other mobile first game on my tv. Still the Apple TV is a great device for local game streaming. I say all this because in a couple of years the chips will likely wind up in an apple TV. Also I miss infinity blade

[@shacky98]

3:56 There has been some news regarding benchmarking (at least on geekbench) regarding scores. Supposedly Apple, and some other companies like samsung, have been exposed to upping the soc speed to inflate the benchmark numbers more than it actually is. Maybe this specific benchmark apple does not recognize it therefore the phone doesn't overclock itself to fake their numbers. As to if the red magic 8 fakes their benchmark numbers, I'm not sure myself. Best way to compare is through real world performance.

[@robmalcolm8042]

The funny thing about the scores is it beat it on antutu when snapdragon 8 gen 2 practically came out in Jan/feb months before so I would expect and hope the iPhone beat it. But the scores on snapdragon 8 gen 3 are already higher than what the 15 is doing. I’d say if they both came out in September iphone and android with tsmc process would be about even.

[@DowneyMax]

Are there already leaks of the Gen 3's scores?

[@robmalcolm8042]

@@DowneyMax yes google it. I believe they have the for Samsung snapdragon chip variant and the multi was a few hundred higher on geek6 than iPhone 15.

[@robmalcolm8042]

@@DowneyMax I’m always checking for leaks and was curious if gen 3 had any info yet.

[@funkam0nkey]

The Antutu tests for Android and iOS are different. That means they aren’t comparable. Geekbench scores are in for the 8 Gen 3 on the new Xiaomi 14 phones and they aren’t even close to the A17 Pro.

[@robmalcolm8042]

@@funkam0nkey good for you I have a iPhone 13 that lags on sonic dash and subway surfers which they come out years ago for android and iOS and I got a s23 ultra that doesn’t get hot or lag like the iPhone does. But it has actual cooling which iPhones still don’t have. The benchmark of iPhone is a fantasy. They give it peak performance that can’t last a few minutes. It is a weak ass phone lol I can care less if the cpu single core is 500 points or 1000 higher when that’s not adding up in real useage dam iPhone can’t even keep a dam cell signal yet alone game 🤣

[@Ryu.86]

I’m really looking forward to what they do with the Macs after this

[@user-zf9babababa_soivebeentold]

I can't believe you've turned to the dark side.but I suppose your and independent reviewer. Do you think Apple will lean into the gaming aspect or is it just marketing? I would think if apple tried to do gaming in ten yrs they would dominate (but it would all be proprietary).

[@paynelcasey]

I was playing Call of Duty on Iphone 15 pro with a ps5 controller. Got MVP with every match. Controller is an advantage.

[@frostyarcade]

Maybe one day soon, sideloading will be a thing.

[@kontrollpunkt3530]

hope that the EU will do

[@dominick253]

😂😂😂

[@GgGg-xw3hj]

Only for the EU but it's uncertain to know if the emulators will work and will be compatible with their sideloading

[@kontrollpunkt3530]

@@GgGg-xw3hjmaybe you can switch the location in the settings

[@TT-pi8ww]

54 missed calls 🤣. that's the biggest problem with using a phone as a gaming console. It's still a phone and it's annoying when the phone rings during gameplay.

[@Jwatchdizzledrip3003]

December 10, 2023 That’s why Apple has put a feature called Do Not Disturb on iPhone which basically cancels any calls when gaming. I personally use an iPad Air M1 for gaming as it lacks phone capabilities and is much bigger than a phone for immersion..plus you can buy a keyboard case with it to turn it into PC when gaming

[@registerednerd9270]

Wow! Apple always innovating! Now with this weird c connection thing? What's that? I'm just a Samsung user who's had it for years.

[@aymanelzain1271]

Gaming on an iphone is really promising, apple did a really good job with iphone 15s, now we have 8 gig of ram with usb c that support video out, of course it doesn't have desktop mode like samsung dex and i don't think apple will bring that feature but the black parts is not that bad , sadly even a14 on iphone 12s can run those new triple A games but they don't have enough ram

[@braindead2813]

ETA uses an iPhone 😂 What a boomer 😂

[@NothingHereForYou]

Plan on picking one up when I move to Japan. Its gonna be surreal playing re4 remake on it

[@madanlalkushwaha3373]

You can buy a PC and a s22 ultra for price of iPhone 15 😂

[@craftymulligar]

Unless your eta prime.

[@Debbb777]

​@@craftymulligarunless you're eta prime (keep it going)

[@powerhouse884]

Yes, you can be a cheap guy and NOT be able to play any current gen console on your S22 when on the go. But i guess you had some kind of point to make somewhere. I rather get a Lenovo Legion Go over ANY Samsung phone.

[@powerhouse884]

@@Kenosha01 NO it cant, S22 can NOT play current gen titles. If you want to bring Streaming Gamepass BS into the argument then why make an argument at all. You do not need an S22 to do that. Again, you had some point to make somewhere i just FAILED to see it. lol 🤣

[@powerhouse884]

Yes because it cant. Streaming games is NOT playing them on the hardware. They have terrible visuals and rely on internet. The iPhone X can do that, is just stupid you bring cloud gaming when you know what we are talking about here. iPhone 15 even has Raytracing now@@Kenosha01

[@ecmjr]

Fun time to be alive. Can’t wait for more in the future 👍

[@alt.5574]

To be fair for that price you could build a Very decent PC buy an impressive mid range phone and probably still afford a PS5 😅

[@n0v404]

This makes me think... DAMN WE REALLY NEED SKYRIM MOBILE NOW

[@lpvarov4499]

Are you kidding me? Call of Duty mobile any cheap phone will handle😂🤣

[@BillyDj]

nice video, just wanna ask how about the overheating issues? I'm a bit curious because many people said that this year pro iphone have terrible overheating issues on it. Thx

[@ImUrZaddy]

If you’re serious about mobile gaming including emulation, stay far far far away from anything Apple

[@katariyaji16]

If u know about altstore then u will know how beast of a performer an ipad is

[@mogberry2139]

Did you try playing for a long time until it started to get hot? If so, after how many minutes til the phone became concerningly hot?

[@arcaderacer586]

Pay $1200 for a phone that plays PS4 games

[@MMD88]

You said it, it’s a phone, not just a gaming console.

[@ntagPink]

Phone is a multipurpose device

[@IndranilBose-f6v]

Bro great vids... i absolutely love it❤ Just a thing i wanted to say, when did Iphone became Iphoine in the thumbnail.. lol😂😂

[@archiebunker5256]

Not nice, it's Apple, with terrible service.

[@INFINITY-f1m]

Anti repair brand

[@FriendZone75]

Have any of you actually owned an iPhone before?

[@powerhouse884]

@@FriendZone75No clearly they haven’t 😂😂😂😂 Don’t worry they can to the Android store and fix their issues…. Oh wait..

[@I_like_science]

More like best in class service.

[@I_like_science]

@@INFINITY-f1m how much does it cost to repair a Samsung galaxy ultra screen or back glass ? 300 DOLLARS . I WOULD MUCH RATHER PAY FOR APPLE CARE AND WALK IN TO ANY APPLE STORE AND HAVE MY PHONE REPAIR OR REPLACES ON THE SPOT .

[@joelmulder]

What a world it would be where we could run most PC games on our iPhones. No more consoles, just al your games, always with you, available in whatever format you can connect the phone to.

[@alanekohen]

a "new" 1300 USD iPhone with a usbc, an extra button and with a crazy horsepower chip to play Candy Crush. Never seen that before.

[@AlexHusTech]

*It's good that Apple are really pushing it, really good for competition.*

[@MMD88]

Emulation video when? This could be insanely good for emulation and no one seems to have done a video on it