The Ninja Turtles Are Alive but Also They're Dead - Delayed Input with Kyle Bosman

Sony's harmless terminology of "lifecycle management" has me distraught over what even makes a game alive.
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[@blimpsgo180]

My favorite thing about Shuhei Yoshida is how he used the drawing of him playing drums from Kyle's video as his Twitter Pic.

[@arisozerah]

@@punishmesenpai2578 these are my 2 favorite things about Shuhei Yoshida.

[@InnerRise]

@@arisozerah All the things are my favorite things about Shuhei Mosquito.

[@arisozerah]

@@InnerRise 5 mosquitoes are my favorite burritos about a shoe, hey my cheetos!

[@SkullMan---]

One of my favorite moves from Shoe Hey Yoshimitsu is the Kangaroo Kick

[@neojd]

Kyle, you would be the type of guy to go around tickling all the NPCs. 😄

[@ottessirbob]

Impeccable timing with Mucho's jump! Now THAT is good engagement!

[@steingrimurjonsson1830]

This is... my favourite part.

[@tarttooth6022]

I love how long he's kept that joke going without once acknowledging it.

[@InnerRise]

@@tarttooth6022 he acknowledged it. It's how I know what the joke is

[@vini64]

I hope to see the honk return for the next seasons because it always cracks me up, no matter where it is placed

[@logic_error]

This episode had the Mucho content I crave.

[@brentclouse7791]

Watch mode is a wild feature.

[@jojonr619]

When Kyle says “ this is…” is he referring to that song? “This is the story of a girl”?

[@ryanbrodsky5488]

Yes

[@rudeboyspodcast]

To me, Boss Rushes are great for several reasons: 1. You get to use what you learned fighting the boss for the first time now that you're wiser and more experienced with the earlier parts of the game. Maybe you've learned their pattern now and can dodge their attacks and feel more skilled than when you were just fumbling around the first time. 2. You get to feel the difference in power if the game gave you cool abilities / powers that you can now apply to a boss you couldn't have before because you weren't that far in the game yet. Also, if you have increased stats, you watch its health bar go bye-bye and feel satisfied that you can now crush that thing with ease. 3. The gauntlet function it serves to test the player's endurance is a unique challenge the rest of the game doesn't apply, and it can force you to be much more careful than you would be if you knew the level ended right after the boss, because it doesn't. I don't think they should be in every game, but I think they have their positive aspects. TL;DR I'm a Mega Man fan.

[@austinl8074]

It feels so good in Megaman games. I think especially in the X and later series where you have even more upgrades and power bumps than just the weapons. Being able to decimate all 8 bosses that each (in theory) were difficult to beat on their own. I think it was especially satisfying when I was a kid and even beating one or two bosses could take me days of playing and practice.

[@MateusDrake]

I agree with every single word and your tl;dr made me realize why.

[@JazGalaxy]

You missed the fact that boss rushes often force you to manage your resources and thusly are a new challenge that forces you to sometimes avoid crutches. For instance, you may have beat a boss the first time by spamming magic, but on round 2, you have to manage that throughout several fights. Or, in a game like tunic, you have to choose in what order to fight the bosses and when to trigger your limited restocks of supplies based on your strategy. The “problem” with Kyle is that he BARELY likes games. He loves the trappings of games. But he doesn’t like games very much. That’s why he’s more concerned with characters’s bathroom habits I’m the game world than he is actually PLAYING the game. And that’s fine. But if feel like people aren’t honest enough about their biases and think they speak for All gamers.

[@dennigalla]

Every week I picture Kyle absolutely cracking up with laughter in the edit as he adds in the car horn.

[@Bobio]

6:48 Mucho appearing randomly could be the new honk This was a great episode btw. Something I think we can all relate to as players of 30+ years.

[@TheObidicut]

One of your best honks. Keep it up Kyle.

[@MacuahuitlGaming]

I tought you were going to talk about the crazy input lag on this collection, but delayed input is just the name of the show. Great name by the way.

[@quagthias]

Mucho showed UP this ep. Hottake: I truly wish every single non-competitive videogame had optional rewind. Every single one. Obviously I know that's not possible but I wish it was the case.

[@Myoldusernamewasgood]

Honk in the wrong spot. I'm not Pablov's dog, so why was I smiling when I heard that same honk noise at a garage the other day.

[@johnnyray2955]

I believe digital eclipses snk 40th anniversary collection was the first to have the watch along feature. I remember seeing an interview with the developers talking about how difficult it was to implement, but how happy they were they that they were able to do it

[@lewisclavell8520]

During the Shuhei Yoshida sock expose' my Mum walked in when Kyle was on screen and asked "is that Mark Zuckerburg?" and I can't think of a more fitting, genuine question during a Kyle bit from an unknowing onlooker than that 🤣.

[@kephalai]

6:54 i wanted the honk to coincide with mucho hopping up so bad haha.. but today's episode's honk placement was great nonetheless :D hope it comes back next season

[@jslane41]

I felt the exact same way, and the missed opportunity was all I could think about as the video progressed. So I had to watch the video again. Lol

[@StephenTheZ]

I feel like rewind stuff goes in the other direction as well, people will use them and justify it by calling the old game "unfair" even though there are plenty of games where that is not the case. I've been playing through all the Classicvania games the last couple of years and I've beat all of them totally legit. I did not grow up with those games (had CV1 as a kid but that was it) so it's an entirely fresh perspective and I have largely been blown away by the series. They're incredibly well designed games even by modern standards. Yet I still see people almost weekly come into the Castlevania sub on reddit and trash talk the games and call them unfair. So to answer the hypothetical question here. Yes. In 30 years people will emulate current day games using rewind and will say the same things. People already complain about how hard Souls games are (even though you can just use a magic build and nuke stuff with no challenge whatsoever) so there will absolutely be people using rewind when Smough butt slams them and will complain about how the game has aged poorly.

[@SakuraAvalon]

The main reason these old games are so hard, was a mixture of people still learning the relatively new medium, the fact that games were so short, you could just rent and never buy them(if they weren't as hard as they are), and because a lot of developers for consoles came off of making Arcade games. Where the difficulty was intentionally unfair, to try and ring every quarter out of you. The home version gives you the arcade game, but without the ability to keep increasing your continues/lives with however much money you have on hand. Also, I had heard that Japan didn't allow game rentals, and that's why the American version for a lot of games, were made harder.

[@tobiasarevalo9929]

I really like boss rushes,they're the best part of a game(most of the time) and now you get to fight them one after the other and im going to replay the game anyways

[@blimpsgo180]

The boss rush at the end of Viewtiful Joe is the reason I never beat the game.

[@EmoryM]

Kyle calls Shu after this - “you can relax now, it’s handled”

[@hyrulecampfire2645]

Thank you for another great season! :D

[@GamingNightsNeoMasaki]

Same as the megaman and castlevania collections…but I think it still goes to point if games are that easy to access for the person who is actually playing the games…just like some of the comments, if you can only buy one game half a year or so as a child…I would want my moneys worth, but when easy access to a massive game library, you probably wouldn’t think that way anymore.

[@Jabrils]

LOL I dont think Kyle realizes, but he accidentally put the honk in the wrong spot, I think its a little later than he planned, but its okay, just a regular editing error 😊

[@defeatingvetis490]

6:29 the most deserved t-bag

[@flotador7]

Circa 2007, I went to a flea market and got a copy of TMNT IV turtles in time for the SNES. I got home, told my roommate I got the game and we just sat down and played for about 20 minutes until the credits rolled. After they ended we just looked at each other and said at the same time "wanna do it again?" and we just hit start again and beat it one more time. So much fun.

[@despondia]

5:58 The Blizzard Arcade Collection does the same thing with Blackthorne and The Lost Vikings ... and probably RRR and whatever else they patched in. Very easy to skip to the end of the game, take control, and pop your achievement of choice

[@castno_]

Hoping for a One Piece discussion with Brad during the break between seasons.

[@brianzielski3183]

I think they are matching socks, just one has lint or some dirt that looks like two dots. Or the dots are actually holes. 😊 The white stripe at the top of each sock on both of them appear to match.

[@st0mpz_G]

Kyle put the holes there so we would talk about them in his video, and drive engagement. Way to take the bait... 🙄

[@lystic9392]

Man I love your outro music. Everything else too. But the music takes me straight back to the 80s without fail.

[@wallacelovecraft8942]

6:14 That is such an amazing feature that I am inclined to buy the game now. I could never beat the old turtles games as a kid because they were too hard. Even with rewind I dismissed the games. But playing these games again with that feature would bring a certain nostalgia that I would very much like. Good talk at the end.

[@ItsTheShark89]

Hey Kyle not sure if you know this, but the honk was in the wrong spot this episode. Great stuff otherwise as always, but do better with the honk next time.

[@AJAlkaline]

Xenoblade Chronicles 3 saved my life. It was my light in the darkness. A single shining jewel of hope.

[@edwindamen]

00:06:51 That late cut was for all of us. Thank you, Kyle.

[@goblinreal9164]

I think even though old games aren't the same with rewind and savestates, without them these games would fall into an even deeper niche than they already do and I'd rather people play them than them just being inaccessible or forgotten to time by most people. I think savestates are a reflective of pc gamer culture more than console gaming culture so this is an example ideas within the different cultures clashing. PC games would often let you save whenever you wanted and taking advantage of that was derided as savescumming but that was something the games let you do and whether or not you'd abuse it was on the honor system. Console games weren't meant to have this feature so you're kind of both setting your own rules and your own difficulty on the fly so more of what the game originally was gets lost unfortunately.

[@env_warby]

perfectly timed mucho jump cut at 6:53

[@KevinJennissen]

Thank you for another season of this internet television program. It was enjoyable.

[@poweredman]

okay mr. roboto

[@KevinJennissen]

@@poweredman Domo arigato

[@Greywaren24]

I can't believe the fucking honk gets me EVERY SINGLE TIME

[@JazGalaxy]

The idea that retro games were challenging to “suck quarters” or “sell copies” is utter BS and always has been. Games are challenging because that’s what games ARE. The reality is that most modern “gamers” simply don’t actually like GAMES. The actual games industry is thousands of years old, and the same people asking “ why do boss rushes exist” are the same people who were asking “why do I have to spin before I swing at the piñata? In fact, why don’t you just hand me the candy?” And “ why is hockey on ice? Why can’t it just be on the ground?”

[@tonyt8101]

That opener made me snort my coffee. Thanks alot, Kyle Bosman.

[@thereptilescorpio]

Another excellent thought teased out Bosman!

[@TechMetalRules]

The socks are clearly the same. As you can easily see, there's more bare leg showing on his left side, indicating that sock is just more bunched up.

[@bitterbatterdog]

Watch mode is great. It is essentially a TAS. They recorded the input at every point. It's such a valuable tool for people like Bosman who could open a game and just start playing whereever. I mean, it probably wasn't designed so you could last hit the final boss. But if you just want to fight that boss, you can just do that. If you have a thought about a specific stage. Load through and grab some footage or chill in it.

[@yoshimasterleader]

I can see a time where people want to fast forward to get past walking segments or set pieces in games or the easy parts. Perhaps a rewind feature to replay set pieces. We already have a a watch mode for today's games it's called KZbin.

[@NileSings]

Mucho loves Kyle so much🥰

[@Fuckingsignmeup1]

I could use a fast forward for some of these slow walking sections in modern games right now.

[@anthonymitnaul3595]

The socks are matching. The camera just creates an optical illusion with the way the lights are in the room he's in....

[@jasonbolla8297]

The SNK collection from a few years ago had the watch/take control feature as well.

[@MasDouc]

Funniest honk placement yet.

[@ocha-time]

I did a mostly blind clear of TMNT2 NES a month or so back when I heard the new game was imminent, it was fun! Hard, wasn't unfair, I think I got a couple Game Overs in the last stretch of the game but I still got a big fat W, felt good. Still a great game btw! Never beat it as a kid, I'd get to the winter level and just ...die. Over and over. So much loss. I think I saw the words "Spring is Here" like, twice in my life before 2022. But let's not talk about TMNT NES To answer the question "Would I be bored if TMNT was too easy", my dad made me use my birthday money one year not on Tiny Toons, like I wanted, but Where's Waldo. I beat the game in 22 minutes, I looked at him angrily, tears in my eyes, and I walked away from the living room. I was kind of a jerk. But yes, especially when you're "Spending" your own money, if a game gets blown over effortlessly, it is a feelsbadman moment. You don't want to spend $60 on a game and beat it the same day you get home, honestly.

[@MarkStuckert]

gonna need a standalone video dedicated solely to cat

[@ThumpingThromnambular]

Good cat.

[@RoxYgen03]

Enjoy your break! Thanks Kyle!💜

[@Appleloucious]

One Love! Always forward, never ever backward!! ☀☀☀ 💚💛❤ 🙏🏿🙏🙏🏼

[@knleonhart]

My game plan: Wait 16 months. Buy Returnal for $20. Install it on the extra SSD. It goes into the massive backlog. I end up hating myself. But it’s still better than paying full price or a subscription.. So PlayStation hates me too.

[@Lunarvandross]

Loooving all the death talk. Love it!!

[@goose2270]

Enjoy your holiday Bossy!

[@Level1Sword]

My backlog keeps me from paying full price for most games. But the Turtles games are not most games...

[@CodyShults]

Video King doled out some harsh punishment to us little kids looking for a fun time with our nintendos on the weekend

[@KyleBosman]

While writing this episode I remembered a time we spent a whole night trying to get out of the fridge level in Ren & Stimpy on Genesis. Turns out it was just the 2nd level

[@CodyShults]

@@KyleBosman Haha now that is game I need to go back and try to beat! If memory serves, the co-op was pretty solid. Keep up the great work!

[@carpetfluff35]

The socks are clearly just the product of a hastily packed suitcase before the flight to London and he had no time to buy any others once he realised.

[@uomoartificiale]

You're falling for Sony's trap! Do. Not. Acknowledge.

[@BBladem83]

AND LOOK WHO’S BACK!!

[@borgs101]

I regularly wear unmatching socks, deliberately even!

[@dustinshilala4802]

The cat bait. Love it. You got me.

[@NoahNCopeland]

Another funny thing to me is that games were also made harder than they should've been to combat "Blockbustrs rentals." SOR3 was made harder in USA just to combat renting. But now Blockbuster is dead, and these games are still hard so it sucks.

[@Rorchord]

Hollow Knight's boss rushes are God-tier

[@PalmelaHanderson]

Sakurai had a point about prolonging the life of games. I recently got into a retro kick and was trying to fly through as many retro JRPGs as possible. I put a modifier on my Dragon Quest I game so that my experience points were like quadrupled, which eliminated the need for grinding in the game. I beat the game in like... 4 hours? Maybe even less than that, I don't remember. This was before enemies dropped things for crafting systems or whatever, there was no point in fighting enemies other than getting more experience points so you could finally get to the next area and do it all over again.

[@antivanti]

Movies had that era where you can't go back to it with the same eyes. You can can only really watch A Trip To The Moon with historian eyes. But movies got past that. I watched 12 Angry Men (1957) for the first time just a few years ago and with my late naughties eyes it was still one of the best movies I've ever watched. So perhaps games have started getting to that point. Last of Us, God of War etc. Maybe they will be evergreen

[@DinosaurDemon]

Watch and Play is the COOLEST accessibility feature I've ever seen and I'm so happy this video introduced me to the concept.

[@MrDochorrible]

Mucho watch!

[@NickoSwimmer]

Kyle!!! At 11:44 you had a random horn honk that made no sense. For the continuity of the universe you must correct this mistake 😣

[@bio_cat]

Your honk was in the wrong spot. How dare you!

[@VanderJamesHum]

love u bosman great ep

[@kodorogames]

Hey Kyle, the honk was on the wrong place.

[@imaginator85]

Thank you for validating my passionate hate for boss rush modes.

[@thatshype_]

You’re my favorite comedian

[@msd5808]

When people play cards with friends they follow the rules generally of poker or whatever game they're playing and then it's more fun.

[@PA-ot2ie]

So this is season 1

[@frankwhite2072]

An existential crisis about the state of video game difficulty and the effects it will have on future generations, with discourse. Wut.

[@zeshile2492]

I'm convinced there is no wrong place for the honk

[@GigaMan91]

Kid me loved playing easy games. Those were the games I'd play multiple times over again because it was always fun getting the win. If something was too hard and I just couldn't beat it, I'd give up and stop playing because it would just make me angry.

[@Sticks_of_Truth]

C'mon man. Everyone knows this man is talking about financially with thus life cycle quote. The Movie analogy was made to leave no room for misinterpretation. They want to sell the game and when sales go down, the game will sell the service.

[@Uzukii]

Those were clearly matching socks, just crunched up differently on his leg.

[@SamButler22]

FFXII was a very late PS2 game, the PS4 version had fast forward. Is it that old game is old, or just "hey you've already played this, skip the grind". Modern games just go straight to skip the grind by selling XP boosters

[@Bromeostasis]

You put the honk in the wrong spot :/

[@flembrane5265]

Great video topic. Delayed releases by platform irrates me but it makes sense from a business standpoint.

[@NileBoogie]

THAT FUCKING HONK. EVERY DAMN TIME!

[@lukeisabat2239]

Hey Kyle not to be the bearer of bad news but I think you accidentally put a honk in your video in the wrong spot. What's up with that?

[@___IG]

Premium releases will always be worth +$70 for me. I like to play the game while it's still in theaters for the creator's intent. Some games are IMAX only, and I would never DREAM of playing a game I've really been waiting for (Elden Ring, Zelda TOTFK, Last of Us 3: Part 8) on demand or with a subpar sound system. I'm just a ludophile

[@steel.oneill]

Lovely singing of "thiiiis iiiiss"

[@mikesannitti6042]

Just got suggested this as a turtle fan. Uh... what do I know Kyle from?

[@darthmarth87]

good video but I would of kept out the honk sound for a few more seconds for maximum impact

[@JimsGameRoom]

In another 20 years Ubisoft open world games (or maybe all open world games) that get a re-release will have the option to skip the open world segments and just play the story sections haha

[@schtive81]

The auto play thing, is comparable to a youtube lets play. And I find that younger kids tend to just watch a lets play of a retro game than actually play them. So this seems like a 'lets play' that you can take control of. The arcade games were hard to steal all your coins.. The home console games were hard to prevent people from completing them in a single rental. rentals were one of the biggest reasons to make a game hard after the third or fourth stage.. I do find that easier games were less memorable, because there is less accomplishment when you complete them. The squeeze thing,.

[@rOOykh]

Hey I don’t know if anyone else noticed but Kyle put the Honk in the wrong place. Put more attention next time Kyle

[@LandPirate62]

Maybe Shu would reveal the intent behind his socks if Kyle sang him another song.

[@dannypockets]

I think the horn audio was synced wrong?

[@ThespianageActs]

Why does that dumb honk get a laugh from me every time? Haha.

[@Atin117]

Mucho walked out after hearing Gabe Logan's scream.

[@SweetLuups]

Rewinding is An awesome feature in fighting games tho. Watch replays, rewind to the part where you lost, and jump in and try to find a better solution!