The PlayStation 5 Pro is a SCAM...

[@staticshock4239]

Companies getting arrogant is just the worst.

[@cbgg1585]

Not really… look at Tesla. I can stand Elon Musk, but I accumulated at the low $30’s due to its potential and rode it all the way to a 350-400 billion market valuation before selling for some profits. As an equities investor, so long as I benefit financially, I’m good. Sony, in spite of all the so called “backlash” are holding up decently well all things considering in an investment sense.

[@SSGoatanks]

Corporate greed is at an all time high - they're never going to fix controller stick drift either.

[@mikestockdale808]

Nobody has to buy one of these things, so if the value proposition is bad, it simply wont sell. I would be curious to know what sales expectations is for this model? 10-20 million units throughout its lifetime?

[@VAFranky]

​@@mikestockdale808if these fools won't say no to $3500 graphics cards I don't think they'll say no to anything. As long as 25-30% of consumers are dumb enough to pay 5x what something could be profitably and reasonably sold at then they win.

[@EliHank]

"getting"

[@TatankaTaylor]

PS5 Pro being digital ONLY is a red flag. Do NOT support this, people! Make Sony put a disk drive on the machine. At no extra cost. This ver. of the Pro sucks!

[@itsasecrettoeverybody]

PS4: everything will be 60fps, trust me bro. PS4 PRO: this time everything will be 60fps for sure. PS5: I know I lied before, but this time I promise... PS5 PRO: look at the size of my chips, you really doubt everything will run at 60? I'm telling you every digital game will run at 60fps.

[@AceYamagucci]

"thrust me bro" 😂

[@Sir_Psych]

@@AceYamagucci Bassed

[@itsasecrettoeverybody]

@@AceYamagucci digital keyboard

[@rodneymathews6775]

Sound like my ex-wife!

[@lewizardmecha7803]

​@@Sir_Psych I think you misspelled "based".

[@AndersonTenecela]

In the end, Satoru Iwata was right. Graphics and power don’t mean anything. Why would you buy a ps5 pro which gives you slightly better graphics and frame rate. Gaming should focus on delivering fun experiences rather than power

[@ShinKyuubi]

AMEN

[@sanane66543]

graphics do matter too ofcourse but should not be the main focus nr1 priority should be is the game fun then add better graphics to enhance the immersion

[@AndersonTenecela]

@@sanane66543yeah that’s what I’m meant. Power is important but it shouldn’t the main focus

[@sanane66543]

@@AndersonTenecela yup totally thats why i emulate switch games on beast pc on 4k 60fps graphics pokemon scarlet etc are way more fun to play like that then on laggy switch

[@nindieboy4194]

The funniest thing is, that hardcore Playstation fanboys always say that people buy Nintendo no matter how bad it is but in reality Playstation has the most loyal fanbase. Sony doing 2 years of nearly nothing and the PS5 pro is the icing on the cake... people will probably still buy it big-time.

[@wwecolt1]

No disc drive. No stand. No new games. No updates to the Controller. 700$? Screw you Sony

[@chan13153]

Don’t forget $80 a month for PS+ just to play online. And that is if Sony doesnt jack the price up to $100. They already jacked the price up on the controllers to $75.

[@GemsofEarth]

​@@chan13153 I thought it was $80 a year you mean?

[@chan13153]

@@GemsofEarth Yeah $80 a year. Which is alot at this point. So thats $700 + $80 for disk drive + $80 a year. So after 5 years (Full life span) thats $1200. You can get a 4070 gaming PC Prebuilt for just a little more. And I wouldnt be shocked if sony again increases the price of PS+. Your at there mercy at this point. While PC is an open platform. If Steam ever tries to charge you to play online you can simply go elsewhere. And dont think steam would ever be that dumb.

[@GemsofEarth]

@@chan13153 @ some point, the games will be $80, the controllers will be $80, PS+ may be $100. Sony really screwed up. It wouldn't have been a big deal if the PS5 pro was the flagship to begin with. I would have paid $700 back than I would rite now. I'm ok with the original PS5.

[@chan13153]

@@GemsofEarth Once my PS+ expires in November i'm not renewing it. I will use my PS5 for only first party single player games. Even then they are coming out on PC. Which is where I'll do most of my gaming. AS well as my Switch and later Switch 2.

[@SSJ_EWGF]

Sony really got out here at 11am, hyped up their overpriced console, threw around a bunch of tech bro terms, gassed up their footage as a huge upgrade to the base PS5, _and then proceeded to show almost just cinematic cutscenes of already released games..._

[@sunderwire]

Yeah they should’ve announced a new game with it lol

[@F_isfor_Fish]

You got out here and posted the same comment on every ps5 pro video for a few likes 💤🤣 agree with all of your points though

[@headshotmaster138]

@@sunderwire some upcoming games would've been nice.

[@hdz77]

Welcome to inflation gamers, the price of the PS5 controller also just went up on price, this will be the new normal, not even Nintendo is inmiune to inflation, the price of new tech will be higher, I expect the Switch 2 to be at least $400 to $500, the days of $300 and $500 consoles are gone.

[@ninetendopesaitama2107]

@@SSJ_EWGF without fps or resolutions shown. ☮️

[@Aries73]

Sony finally went and did it. They had their Sega Saturn moment.

[@LifeOfBAM42]

Feels weird that we might be seeing 2 out of 3 gaming markets go under. What the hell is going on with gaming? Somehow only Nintendo seems to have found the recipe for success. Beyond insane that Sony CEOs thought a disc-less $700 console was marketable.

[@TheyCallMeSledge]

@@LifeOfBAM42 Which is pretty ironic considering that Nintendo essentially won this generation by staying out of the heavyweight bout between Sony and Microsoft. Nintendo played the long game and it finally paid off.

[@LifeOfBAM42]

@@TheyCallMeSledge And Valve won by doing literally nothing. Arguing that console is more convenient isn’t true anymore, not when we just have things like SteamOS.

[@JCSA79V]

Not really comparable at all

[@cbgg1585]

@@LifeOfBAM42Consoles still have physical games. Can still play physical copies of Stellar Blade, Elden Ring, Spiderman 2, Demons Souls remake, Stray, FF16/Intergrade/Rebirth, Tekken 8, Cyberpunk (PS5), Hogwartz Legacy, Persona 3 Reload, Dead Space remake etc etc before any meaningful update. They can be beaten as they are on disc. Games are still beatable on disc with good experiences before patches, so as long as physical games in this form exists, consoles will ALWAYS trump what PC has to offer Don’t care what anyone says. Games still beatable on disc/cartridge = consoles superior to PC and portable PC’s like the Steam Deck.

[@10k-Noodles]

This is an absolute loss for every gamer, regardless of preference. They can’t be allowed to get away with it.

[@MavZc]

You're losing exactly what?

[@10k-Noodles]

@@MavZc money, and lots of it. Once McDonald’s begins charging $5 for a handful of nugs, everyone else is allowed to get away with it.

[@Lionheart1188]

@@MavZc another bot 1st to comment

[@Rorschach1998]

Hopefully soyny will convert even more people to PC.

[@trucoomccoo]

Couldn't agree more. Any rebuttal I come across in terms of defending this business practice has almost exclusively attacked PC and Xbox as their main counter point. When this CLEARLY surpasses the console war. This surpasses the master race conversation. This will affect EVERYONE. The second Sony sees this price as a viable and profitable decision, then the rest of the industry will follow. Anti-consumer practices should never be championed or endorsed.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

These companies are out of their minds. Getting rid of the disc is so idiotic.

[@Heira]

Xbox team knows how to do something better what's the point getting a PS5 pro

[@nicholasvaccaro4826]

80% of PlayStation sales last quarter were digital through psn y would they higher the barrier of entry for the majority of their base

[@Devontemidoriya]

If that was true, how come The Xbox Series consoles sold only 27.7 million consoles in comparison to The PS5, which sold 60 million?​@@Heira

[@Devontemidoriya]

Technically, they didn't get rid of the disc drive. You can still buy the disc drive which will cost people an extra $80. It's still ridiculous but at least the option is still there.

[@MediaFeverPitch]

​@@nicholasvaccaro4826 why not include the disk drive for that price. That's the whole point is too high especially without it.

[@YoungWill163rd]

This is very concerning for the industry moving forward

[@sanane66543]

not at all this means nintendo will continue to dominate even more from now on atleast they make games based on fun not dei bullshi like sony

[@YoungWill163rd]

@@sanane66543 can’t wait for the switch successor

[@Joelda23]

@@sanane66543Nintendo is not competition for Sony and Microsoft. Not even the same market lol.

[@Fudge_Fantasy]

Nah. Sony has been losing money for years now.

[@ninetendopesaitama2107]

No. Just for Fony. History repeats itself and this is the end for their console business. ☮️

[@mickthered3262]

The thing that is most ironic about the PS5 Pro, is that they are simply delivering on what they promised the original PS5 could do. 4K at 60fps with almost no load times.

[@boubousky4068]

Nope they promised us 8K120fps games with the original PS5

[@montanastranger]

Exactly. It feels like an April Fools Day joke. How incompetent can they be.

[@Justuas]

Doubt they can actually deliver it.

[@atomictoasteryo1109]

Kinda like Wii motion plus. "Now your Wii Remote can do the thing we said it could!"

[@NSEYA01]

There were no contradictions at all, the original PS5 can deliver 4K 60 but at a lower fidelity at what the PS5 Pro can render

[@BowserEditz]

Sony really just gave Nintendo a perfect chance to reveal switch 2

[@joopvanhedel1372]

We go from the biggest failures of gaming history in concord to a big success with astro bot to a 700 dollar/800 euro console disaster. Nintendo wins by doing absolutely nothing

[@lorddrifter7296]

Also raising controller prices yesterday 😂

[@ninetendopesaitama2107]

Some people at ms are laughing their a**es off. Microsoft earns more money with gaming than anyone else at the moment. They own the azure network. ☮️

[@gurubivolaru5114]

I really don't know how they justify the 800 euro tag. It's because of the import taxes? If you do the conversion, even 700 euro are worth more than 700$.

[@joopvanhedel1372]

@@gurubivolaru5114 Even if it was 700 euros in Europe it would still be way too expensive. the PS5 pro is simply way too expensive and then you don't even count the disc drive and Europe has it simply even worse

[@colossaloverlord2678]

No Disc Drive? Check No Pro Controller for the 'Pro'? Check No Stand? Check Marginally improved specs? Check Double the price? Check Stupid consumers who will buy anyways? Check Lmao, they got y'all by the balls what're you complaining about, there is a reason it's the PC Master Race. Oops forgot to mention standard controller price increases... ROFL!!

[@agamaz5650]

Remember when PS2 was the cheapest DVD player and the console with the most badass exclusives like Devil May Cry, Ico, Silent Hill 2 only like a year after launch? (PS. Sorry for the bad clarification I know those games came like a year after, what I meant is it only took a year for PS2 to built a library of some of the best games of all time)

[@ShinKyuubi]

Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[@SeanMaguire02]

DMC and Silent Hill 2 weren't launch titles.

[@domymbd]

Devil May Cry, Ico and Silent Hill 2 weren't launch titles...

[@TwoGendersOnly]

Remember when PS1 completely dominated the industry because Sony finally got 3D right? Remember when Sony was actually Japanese and wanted to give players awesome and affordable games and consoles? 😢

[@MrCovert23]

That was over 20 years ago. The good times are gone and NOT COMING BACK.

[@MercerVerse]

Greed Has No Limits

[@edtenorio100]

Unlike the PS5, sir.

[@AlexHonger-fj3nx]

I mean y'all are crying over 700$ and 700$ will get you a low-lower mid range PC. For context, the PS3 launched at 600$, with inflation that 600$ is nearly 1,100$ today. Idk why everyone is over reacting, is a PRO model, not next Gen, you don't NEED to get it, you don't NEED to upgrade. The PS4 pro was only 20% of PS4 sales. I really don't understand why most of you who already have a PS5 are sheerking "it's not worth the upgrade over what I already have!!!" Like stop the main character syndrome, not every product is suppose to be geared towards you, this is for new buyers and PC players who wanna play PS exclusives without compromising too much on their PC's quality.

[@ViciousFirearms]

@@AlexHonger-fj3nx You’ve been successfully duped.

[@edtenorio100]

@@ViciousFirearms Just let him consume like a pay pig. I mean, even the fanboys are speaking against this obvious scam.

[@cbgg1585]

@@edtenorio100Lmao, so anyone with a decently reasoned opinion is a “pig”? Wow… you need to get out more. Opinions make the world go round, mate.

[@John117M63]

All the games they showcased already run at 4k 60fps, this showcase was a disaster. They gave people no reason to buy this. It could have cost $450 and i still see no reason to buy it, they showed NOTHING

[@Heira]

Its not even 120fps

[@sugarray1345]

I'll stick with Switch and PS5. The Switch beats my PS5 for sheer enjoyment and quality of games. No need for such an incremental upgrade. 👍

[@quinnestbanks]

I concur

[@The--Ghostspider66]

See the thing I hate about such companies once they reveal a new device they start to put dirt on their past device Sony did the same thing showing the last of us 2 on original ps5 But downgraded and showed it Better on ps5 pro That was intentionally done The original ps5 is still a powerful console and the last of us or other games still looking great on it Once you save up money to buy that current console by that time they'll release a new one And will start to put trash on the console that you've bought In my opinion it's better to stuck with ps5 and upgrade to ps6 when it's out but for now I'll forget everything and enjoy my ps5 spider man 2 limited edition

[@ViciousFirearms]

Same, i'm fine with my Switch, PS5 fat and gaming PC. Perfect combo right there.

[@TwoGendersOnly]

My first console was NES, but I haven't been a Nintendo fan since GameCube. Rarely touched my Wii. Have been a loyal Sony fan since PS1 and these days I play my switch more than my PC OR PS5. I guess we've come full circle.

[@GreatBumi]

Love my Switch and series x im good

[@jcgonzalez84]

This whole generation has been a scam. You buy a new generation console to take advantage of it, not to be sold an upgrade later. You are not even taking advantage of the base console.

[@mejrikais6002]

And most PS5 games are ps4 cross gen games 😂

[@OtterloopB]

Thank you! Remember when we could buy a console... and that was that? No need to worry about "mid-cycle" refreshes. We were locked in and good to go for years until the next generation. Now there's all this anxiety surrounding systems. "Do I buy this now? What if an upgraded version arrives later? Do I wait? Do I act?" It never used to be so needlessly complicated.

[@chan13153]

This is definitely the worse generation of gaming. An entire generation of broken games. An entire generation of live service gambling programs made to look like video games. Over priced hardware with zero price drops. Prices going up. And now this as the final nail in the coffin.

[@mitch20003]

There's still.a good handful of exclusives. I care about loading times and smooth gameplay so ps5 os worth it imho. ​@@mejrikais6002

[@jcgonzalez84]

Literally, go to Opencritic and look at the top 20 games of all time for PS5. There is 2 from 2022 (cross gen), 1 from 2024 (multi plat), 3 from 2024 (1 DLC cross gen and 2 only for PS5). If we go down to the next 20, there are more cross gen an only 1 for PS5 only, Tekken 8. There is really no need for a PS5 Pro, they just needed to be more efficient with the base console. What the PS5 Pro is telling me is that they are just about to start milking the PS5 base console just because they need to have does games run at fidelity 60FPS.

[@rossruss6901]

When I saw that price tag, I thought I was back in the PS3 showcase in 2006 or so with that 600$ price tag.

[@crimsondragong4853]

Sony didn't learn anything from "PS3 Disaster" several years ago. LOL

[@friedchicken4735]

18 years ago to be precise

[@stephenthompson2505]

PS3 wasn't a disaster tho...

[@PurushNahiMahaPurush]

They did with the PS4 but the people that were there during PS3 days are no longer running the company and the new guys either don't know or remember anything about the PS3 era

[@lunasmokezim1718]

You guys do realize that tax on $700 is not minimal amount. In Canada this thing is gonna cost $959 before tax. $100 for the disc drive. $1200 for a console....

[@thomgizziz]

Do you not understand how money works? Do you also not understand VAT, exchange rates and tariffs? Of course you don't you are a toonie from canada.

[@robertsmith-wv2hw]

What is insane is Sony promising things with this pro are the the things they already promised with the base PS5.

[@SSJ_EWGF]

Ayo, Nintendo's got the chance to do the funniest thing ever right now.... 😏

[@colossaloverlord2678]

Reduce price of Switch? Lol I agree it would demolish Sony for years to come.

[@I_justlivethedream]

The release of the Switch 2 for about $400-$450 would be the smartest move by Nintendo to capitalize on this dumbass move by Sony.

[@colossaloverlord2678]

@@I_justlivethedream Doubt they would bother, they still make massive sales off the Switch and its games.

[@Cloud-dt6xb]

I mean it's absolutely true Sony and Microsoft are pratically begging for Nintendo to come punch them in the face so hard that everything bleeds in one hit.

[@thomgizziz]

@@colossaloverlord2678 Yeah Nintendo has their own group of dummies to exploit why would they care?

[@radicalbyte]

The Switch 2 will likely come in at 400 EUR / $350 so you'll literally be able to buy two Switch 2 plus two copies of Mario Kart AND an online subscription. So you can play with your kids. For the price of a PS5 Pro, plus you don't need to buy a TV.

[@nindieboy4194]

Naaaaaah. Would be crazy low price point. I think it will be 399 $ and like 449 euros.

[@Thedrunkenswede1337]

Why should Europe pay more ? Euro is worth more then dollars

[@radicalbyte]

@@Thedrunkenswede1337 EU prices include sales tax. American prices do not as the sales tax differs a lot between States.

[@radicalbyte]

@@nindieboy4194 I think that is too high, the magic number is 400 EUR. I can see them doing an OLED for 500 EUR.

[@Thedrunkenswede1337]

@@radicalbyte it is still more then what you pay as euros is worth more then dollars. And its from the get go priced about 80-100 euros more

[@10k-Noodles]

PS5 Pro isn’t even backwards compatible with physical media for its own generation unless you hand them $780. That is insane.

[@ventarmadness9692]

$780 BEFORE tax which is insane

[@bigphil0005]

that's not even including the price of a stand. from what it looks like you are gonna be standing it up with those shitty plastic stands that came with the slim

[@gurubivolaru5114]

​@@ventarmadness9692 Look at european prices, my brother. 800 euro. Add a disc drive and a stand, and you're spending 950 euro. That is insane. I don't really know what they are trying to do. I have never been a fan of digital media and I thought Sony was mot heading in that direction, but looking at their last two versions of consoles, it's clear to me that they chose that way. It's disappointing. I'm definitely skipping and consider changing the team, depending if Xbox are still invested in physical media.

[@nickkalf7667]

@@ventarmadness9692 900ε at europe

[@itsprod.472]

Don’t forget the 20 dollar or 30 dollar stand you also have to get if you want that

[@andrewy9842]

He isn't wrong. The difference visually and frame rate difference is not enough to justify the purchase. Also, the hardcore people they are going after are likely still physical game buyers. You are now forcing them to spend almost an aditionall 100 on a disc drive. If you're are going to tout this as premium system include the damn disc drive. It is just greed. You can go get an Xbox series X with 2 TB drive with a disc drive for 599.99 if you have to add the disc drive to the ps5 pro and disc drive you are looking at like 800 that's a 200 dollar difference. There isn't enough difference to justify the cost. Makes microsoft xbox look more appealing. Not only that gives Nintendo a shot now to undercut Sony with the switch 2 announcement, release date and say a 399.99 price point potentially will steal all the attention away from Sony putting Nintendo to be market leader again.

[@polla2256]

No, the hardcore bought steam decks and built PC rigs many years ago.

[@phines93]

How much is a cheap pc for gaming like entry level

[@ViciousFirearms]

Crazy how in '95, Sony had their "$299" moment to counter Sega's high prices and now in 2024 Nintendo has that same opportunity to do that to Sony. Oh how the times have changed...

[@thomgizziz]

@@phines93 Entry level system is going to be around 5-600. Spending a couple hundred extra will give you a lot of bang for your buck though.

[@Yae_1995]

I’m absolutely appalled with Sony. No disc drive is absolutely ridiculous

[@russellmania5349]

They couldn't even include a stand. I'm surprised they include the power cable with it.

[@spooky_spedy]

I’m so disappointed in PlayStation

[@IanSane]

I'm a Canadian Switch owner. Just this weekend my brother and I were in Gamestop (ugh) so he could pick up his Miles Edgeworth pre-order. I saw a stack of PS VR2 boxes and observed to him that if I wanted to get into that it would cost like $1500 to get both the system and VR. Do that with a PS5 Pro, with the physical disc add on, and we're getting close to $2000 CAD. That's just absurd. This is a product for the wealthy, plain and simple.

[@boubousky4068]

So so True!!!

[@6gredlite907]

It's crazy how the VR is still expensive, and they discontinued it.

[@thomgizziz]

Canadians are special. They talk about their monopoly money like it is real or has any real value.

[@jongentile4933]

$900 dollars for PS5 Pro with disc drive and vertical stand after taxes... How much closer do we have to get to PC prices before it just makes sense to go the extra price route and buy a PC. probably will save people in the long run, $1400 for a modern PC with a NVMe drive and RTX4070 that can play everything the PS5 Pro plays, better. And has the option for upgradability rather than 1k for the next gen PS6. Think I'll stick to my Switch and PC setup.

[@ViciousFirearms]

Don't forget that PCs can emulate every single console up to and including most 8th gen consoles, with the entire libraries of all those consoles available online for free. With more and more ps5 exclusives coming to PC, it just seems foolish to buy a ps5 over a PC now.

[@jongentile4933]

@@ViciousFirearms literally.

[@thomgizziz]

$900 dollars is already above the price of a mid range system.... 1400 dollars for the system that you are talking about is overpriced nonsense, that is a system with 4070 super at best buy...

[@thomgizziz]

@@ViciousFirearms The thing is most people aren't into retro gaming and even the ones that are it is a side thing and not their main hobby. So emulating the switch is the most attractive thing everything else, much less so. But the PC does have a lot more games than the consoles do and people tend to play much older games off of steam than they do the consoles.

[@VAFranky]

​@@ViciousFirearmsand do so much more. Video editing, music production, coding, soooo many things a console can't do. People who love making terrible investments and revealing their idiocy should buy multiple PS5 pros asap.

[@MrCovert23]

Mark my words… today’s announcement will be the beginning of the end of the PlayStation .

[@agamaz5650]

@@MrCovert23 looks like I will just emulate PS2

[@raskolnikov6443]

Why? They have no competition .

[@billyrizer]

​@@raskolnikov6443you need to go and study the rise and fall of many companies in the past sony isnt doing great they got alot of depts and only a few brand of their is carrying the company the and the more depts they have the more thing will get worse for them concord was one of tge worse disators ever just imagine how much money and time they lost at that and worst the investors dont have any mercy for you if you dont give them their money back so once the investors demand they want their money back then its over for sony they can go to court and sue sony and it could end up where the investors can sell all of sony devisions they could sell the ips studio and their tach brands play station could be sold to apple or tencent or they sell every ips one by one sly cooper could end up with 2k for example and god of war could end up with activision or twested metal could end up with an indie company if they have the cash to buy i mean looks what happening with ubisoft right now the investors are claimning that ubisoft made its games fail in porpse so they can rebuy all of the stock and go become a privite company which means no one can buy a stock or invest into your company after that done theyll have total control but the investors are going to sue them and demand their money back and if they won then ubisoft is done theyll sell every thing so this why investors are bad they are the ones who ruin play station and xbox and every triple a company they milked these companies until there isnt anything left but who know sony could turn things around that why i prefer to wait and see even if things look bleak things could change

[@Yusei255]

no it won't be.

[@thomgizziz]

And if you are wrong? Oh zero consequences and you'll just pretend like you never said this and will tout some other random thing you were right about while ignoring the 100 things you were wrong about. Pull your head out.

[@Ohmygodbruh]

Product not needed at this moment at all. I truly don’t see much difference between ps5 and ps5 pro. They should focus on producing good games for existing platform.

[@cloudboysmusic5223]

I can afford it but still extremely hard to justify, especially with no disk drive.

[@russellmania5349]

The only way to justify the price is to include the disk drive and have it backwards compatible with every playstation generation.

[@edgaracosta9976]

It’s just so disappointing as a fan, that on the 30 year anniversary of PlayStation, Sony makes the most anti-consumer decision they have arguably ever made.. it makes me sad lol

[@itsasecrettoeverybody]

They should make more games instead of asking $700 for a digital box. They should be able to at least put 2 or 3 games out for year if Nintendo can put out 6+ games out for year.

[@mitch20003]

Well for the tech 700 isn't that bad if it is noy discless. A PC set up is thousands.

[@itsasecrettoeverybody]

@@mitch20003 but I can justify to buy a expensive PC, it is a multi purpose tool, PS5 pro is just an entertaining plastic box. Also you can play most of the games on an cheaper PC using low settings. Does people really need better graphics that badly? A raise of $300 for a marginal upgrade, while there are still a significant portion of users on PS4. PC gamers too, look at steam statistics, most of them are not using the best graphics cards. People want cheap and fun entertaining more than edge graphics. I'm still having more fun with my switch than with my PS5. Why I would expend so much to have it on the shelf, power off and collecting dust most of the time? Remember the 299 moment? Even when we were still on the tech infancy, people did care about price, yes better graphics are good but there is a balance. $700 more like $800 for me, is too much just to play games. I know there is a market for top graphics, but they aren't the large consumer public and with the escalation in price even this market will eventually shrink.

[@thomgizziz]

@@mitch20003 No a PC setup isn't thousands. Pull your head out console fanboi and stop trying to gaslight yourself into believing that you are saving money. With 3k I could have a higher end PC (4070 super), VR headset and a base model 3 axis motion simulator with both a force feedback steering wheel and dual mid range flight sticks. You need to stop lying to yourself about reality. I have a notebook computer that cost me 800 dollars that can play any game out there and emulates everything from the PS4 and switch down.

[@mitch20003]

@@thomgizziz people are saying you won't be able to build a PC on the same level for that price and console gaming is just way more convenient for most people

[@ilyadarabi5852]

we want more games not consoles

[@Yuu-oc7ye]

3 important steps of gaming 🤔 1. Gameplay 🫡 2. Story 🫡 3. Graphics 😒

[@roninreef90]

In that order 🙂‍↕️

[@ThunderTheYellowJolteon]

No one likes graphics anymore?

[@abcbizarre]

Nintendo better take notes if they dont want switch 2 to flop.

[@teh_shaw4103]

Don't worry if the next Nintendo console flops, they will just release a mother console in 4 years and re-release all their first party games and make bank.

[@Yusei255]

don't expect the switch 2 to be the same price as the original. cos i can say that it won't be.

[@teh_shaw4103]

@Yusei255 her is the harsh reality of gaming technology doesn't advance near enough to justify consumer costs, look at the jump between a snes and the n64 it was massive and the n64 wasn't 35% more expensive then the snes launch price why would the average consumers want to pay an outrages amount of money for a micro upgrade they don't plain and simple. As much as I hate that we have been using the nintendo Switch for nearly 8 years, at least there should be a drastically noticeable difference between that and the next console to justify a $200 price difference.

[@ryh2638]

This is where chasing higher fidelity leads to in the industry. This industry is f*cked. Prices going up instead of going down and you're getting way less value. The death of physical media gets ever so closer. Big budget games failing expectations. Live service saturation. More studios dropping like flies and people losing their jobs. But please ignore all of that, we have world premieres from Geoff Keighley at the game awards to make up for it!

[@thomgizziz]

This is your brain on consoles... and it isn't pretty. None of your "consequences" has anything to do with "chasing higher fidelity." Why are so many console people so slow? Big budget games didn't fail because they had good graphics it is because the devs made crap games that often focus on trying to push messages instead of just pushing good gameplay. Live service saturation tells you the problem in the name, there are too many of those games and/or people are tired of the genre not that they were going after good graphics and people rejected it. Chasing graphics hasn't led to studios closing it is the above issues I stated and others that you are clearly to slow to understand even if I explained them. You ignored everything and inserted your own made up reality of cope and doubling down on your feelings based nonsense, Im sure other slow people like you will do the same.

[@ookamibear8071]

Well PS3 Sony are back😩 seriously they are taking the piss with those prices, they’ve become the Apple of consoles

[@Odder-Being]

People are stupid. If no one bought the Ps4 pro then this money grabbing scam of releasing a pro version of the console after 4 years this would not have happend in the first place.

[@xavierhouston4650]

Reminds me of the possibility that PlayStation players could’ve played online for free, if they didn’t get tricked into buying PS+.

[@LeePhan79]

people are stupid. Corvette Z06 is marked up over $100K but people still buy it..

[@Odder-Being]

@@xavierhouston4650 Yep same thing.

[@thomgizziz]

@@LeePhan79 Car prices have nothing to do with consoles and is a terrible analogy showing that yes, you are really slow. Also I just looked up prices and Z06's aren't going for anywhere near $100k they are $40-75k. Playstation kids aren't bright.

[@VAFranky]

Honestly probably get the PS6 faster if they couldn't milk the pay pigs for $700 but they're just that stupid so here we are!

[@muichiroloverlol]

Whats scary is that the writing is on the wall for whenever they decide to show the PS6. All degitial, priced at 600 or 700.

[@BranSmith101]

Ain't nobody better at finessing consumers more than PlayStation. $700 for a digital only PS4 pro pro pro, $80 for a disk drive, $30 for a console stand and that's before tax. This might be the biggest finesse in gaming history.

[@UltraBall23]

And you still need to pay for games and online. $1000 for 1 game.

[@thomgizziz]

It is just like apple. They get a group of people that think that owning the thing makes them better people and then after that they can just milk the dummies.

[@thomgizziz]

@@UltraBall23 Not how reality works. This is the same type of cope that console fanbois use when they tell themselves that PCs cost many thousands of dollars and how they are really saving money and being more intelligent by buying consoles.

[@TurquoizeGoldscraper]

"I Cobra Kai-kicked my PS5" is the funniest thing I've heard this month.

[@KrisLevel]

I built a Rtx 4060 with Ryzen 5600 for around £575 here in the Uk no idea what Sony is thinking besides $$

[@kevin12567]

$700 for a digital-only game console? That's TOO mucH!

[@enriquepinero707]

Sony just asked gamers to pony up $700 to help them get further obliterate gaming and help the all digital all streatming agenda. Then when people simply don't buy the disc drive or this "upgrade" they will say "You see? You See? People don't want to pay for physical content anymore!" Get out of here Sony. You were never a gaming company in the first place; only a greedy multimedia/tech company that wanted to dip in the gaming pot. You have officially overstayed your presence (along with Microsoft) in the gaming industry. On the plus side; this makes me more hype for Nintendo "little" Switch 2 and what features it will bring for a really great price tag. They could just have free 3rd party Switch 1 game patches for the more busted Switch 1 games (Batman Arkham Knight, MGS collection, ect) that make both the graphics and perfoamnce hit 60fps at 1080p and I would be vastly impressed.

[@thomgizziz]

What has microsoft done? Oh they aren't the popular kid on the block... console people seem to be really really slow. It is because there are slow people like you that get hyped and have emotional attachments to companies that makes it so those companies can take advantage of you. You are your own worst enemy and you are too slow to be able to understand why.

[@johnlucas1543]

+enriquepinero Nintendo always knew these outsiders would eventually hoist themselves by their own petard. They just had to wait & be patient as the outsiders' propaganda wore off & their practices were laid bare. Nintendo planned for the end of the Console Wars as far back as the 7th Generation with DS & Wii. Go back & see how they plotted a long term plan to make themselves immune from the insanity we see today. No one can beat Nintendo in Game Craft, Game Design. So they have to razzle-dazzle with Tech Hype. Once the Tech Hype wears off, Nintendo knows they got 'em pinned & they go in for the kill. Wii U & 3DS was supposed to complete the Wii & DS mission but Mobile threw off Nintendo's focus & it stalled. Once Nintendo was able to course correct with Switch, they would end the Console Wars for good as intended. When Nintendo ends the War, all games revert to their platform cancelling the one key advantage the competition had on Nintendo: Control of the Bulk of 3rd Party Games. The equation goes like this: 1st Party + 2nd Party + 3rd Party = Nintendo's Party. Nintendo Exclusives + Everything Else = Nintendo's Permanent Dominance. Wait until you see what happens when they somehow make a port of Grand Theft Auto VI on Nintendo's platform.

[@enriquepinero707]

@johnlucas1543 100% accurate and well said. I only started noticing this since the launch trailer of the Switch and how shortly before Microsoft started adding DRM to their PC games, shortly after their always online Xbox ONE launch failed (but really postponed, as cloud streaming and always online gaming was always their goal). Sony and Microsoft were never gaming companies; they were tech/electronic/multimedia companies that wanted to try their hand in milking the gaming space. Now that they got as much as they cpild get; their gaming divisions could easily tank and they still have their other sides of business to fall back on. Nintendo on the other hand is a gaming company first and everything else second, which is why they still gonna be around for longer than the other two. Valve and Steam are also gonna stand the test of time as well.

[@johnlucas1543]

@@enriquepinero707 I view Microsoft as even worse than Sony even though both are outsiders. At least Sony has some sense of taste with their lengthy background in the music & movie industries. Microsoft is the reason why there is even such a thing as Paid Online in videogaming. Online's supposed to be FREE & stupid Microsoft normalized monetizing it. We already pay for internet service so why pay twice to game on the internet? Microsoft started that crap. Sony followed them during the PS3 era despite starting as free. Nintendo resisted until the public disrespected the efforts done on Wii U so Nintendo said 'well this is what the people want, give it to them.' At least they're the lowest of the three but none of that should exist. But thankfully Microsoft is so rich that they really don't know how to compete. They don't have to really work for anything so they're soft & sloppy running a business. We should be GLAD they failed & crashed out of the Console Business with XBox. If Trillion-Dollar Microsoft was actually competent, we all would be in a world of trouble right now. AND Microsoft provided the perfect distraction to dislodge Sony & allow Nintendo to roll back PlayStation's influence in the industry. Made Sony play a self-destructive game of Chicken with them. Haughty Sony thought they were actually The Boss & chased down Money Microsoft. But a Trillion-Dollar company will beat a Billion-Dollar company all day every day head-to-head. So Sony realized too late how futile it was to play this deadly game & now they're painted into a corner. Nintendo saw Microsoft coming as far back as at least 1996 before the launch of the Nintendo 64. Look online & you'll find pictures of Bill Gates hanging out with old Nintendo President Hiroshi Yamauchi. He was trying enact the Embrace part of Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, Extinguish corporate strategy. He was trying to get Nintendo to sell to Microsoft or partner with Microsoft in some way. You'll find a picture of Hiroshi Yamauchi & Bill Gates playing a game of Go, a game Yamauchi mastered. I think of that pic everytime I remember Nintendo laughing at Microsoft for wanting to buy them. Hiroshi Yamauchi let Bill Gates think he had a chance to win on that Go board AND in that board room. It's not just Satoru Iwata who saw this train wreck coming, the whole company had this mindset. Yamauchi talked about a lot what was coming in the late 1990s! Nintendo knew where this was all going. And now they stand to benefit from all of their vision/insight, strategies, & preparations. When it comes to Nintendo, a 135 year old company, always remember that they play the LONG GAME. Ask Pocket Pair & Palworld about it right now.

[@enriquepinero707]

@@johnlucas1543 Agreed

[@AllenE1968]

In Canada, if you add the disc drive and stand, it's over $1,000.😬

[@neogotham2k39]

Ps5 pro is not worth it

[@irishshadow137]

As someone who play on a playstation 5 console almost exclusively, I can say that this is a terrible move on Sony's part. I live in Canada so the $700 price is actually $950 before tax. If they said it was 73% more powerful than the standard ps5 that I already own, that would POSSIBLY worth it but probably not. Sony deserves to be laughed at for this

[@brandonzzz1]

This is literally a hard-core gamer, but mostly hard-core gamers own a ps5 already they literally got a dip smh

[@Jaykurosakii]

With all the accessories + ps5 pro you can make a 6750 XT, used 6800 or 3070 build that’s faster than ps5 pro for around $800. Some games may be more optimized, but most of the time those cards will outperform a ps5 pro. Plus the ps5 pro has a weak cpu

[@itsprod.472]

Indeed even a 200 dollar Ryzen 5 six core cpu is enough for even a RTX 4090!

[@budthecyborg4575]

Nvidia 3070 actually only matches the base PS5 (minus the tenser cores). PS5 Pro is equivalent to 4070 (including tenser cores).

[@Jaykurosakii]

@@budthecyborg4575 Uh a ps5 is equivalent to a 2070 super AT BEST in raw performance. Where did you get information that it’s equivalent to a 3070? And ps5 pro being equivalent to a 4070/3080 is laughable if we are talking raw performance.

[@boubousky4068]

That's actually my specs R5 5600X and RX 6750XT and most games runs well at 1440p 60 fps, only think is that i don't have Ray Tracing, But FF16 demo is still so beautiful That i really don't need it. and to build my PC i spent less than $1000 Canadian...

[@Jaykurosakii]

@@boubousky4068 That’s great and you can use fsr 3 too. I wonder how this “PSSR” will compare to FSR 3, DLSS 3.7, and Lossless Scaling.

[@Shenmue06]

Building a pc is far better investment. It would cost a thousand dollars to buy a pc for video editing and close to 800 for this console with a disc drive. Why not just buy a $1800 gaming pc.

[@thomgizziz]

Are you high? I have a 800 dollar notebook that can edit videos just fine...

[@Shenmue06]

@@thomgizziz An 800 dollar notebook wouldn't be ideal for high quality content creation. People buy $2000 computers for a reason. Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better 🤷‍♂️. You're not going to find any big youtuber using an 800 dollar notebook.

[@TheSuperGoober]

These companies should wake up and realize that the only reason consoles still are relavent is because they're slightly more convenient and accessible than PC. Like, Nintendo is the only one rn that I see actually doing stuff interesting with their console to make it worthwhile...

[@RenQuark]

No disc drive nor vertical stand in the box feels quite pro alright...

[@neku2741]

My pc is $700 and I can still play all the ported PS5 games on top of all the steam library plus all emulator. I don't get paying $700 for essentially is just a shader😂😂

[@Zay408er]

Scalpers probably wouldn’t want to buy the PS5 pro lol

[@Niles-Guy]

Sony is trying to become the next STEAM by going digital . But my gen with large libraries of physical games want to own physical stuff. You can’t trade or sell digital games

[@billdwyer5719]

Over $1000 Canadian for this is the biggest ripoff!!!!

[@thomgizziz]

He he, another canadian pretending their monopoly money is real money. Also you should be paying more but the rest of the world subsidizes the dumb wanna be socialist countries. Your money is weak, you have high taxes and tariffs. You should be paying 1370 of your dollary-doos but instead everybody else has to pick up the slack so you dont cry like a baby.

[@Wrathicuz]

Don't forget when your Ps5 controller starts drifting in 4-6 months, you can now buy a replacement one for +$5 more than what it was. 4 years into the PS5's lifespan and they did practically zero revisions to the controller, only offered to sell you a whopping $200 dollar one with the same drift issues. This Generation been Sony's ultimate scam brah, someone need to pull these dudes back down to earth.

[@shoobydoo-xf3ub]

RIP Sony PlayStation 1995-2028.

[@Chr1s808]

PlayStation started in 1994

[@Yusei255]

@@Chr1s808 they are referring to it's launch outside of japan which was a year later.

[@ExaltedDonut]

Anyone who buys this deserves to be raked over by Sony. $800+ for a mid gen refresh is insane

[@derekosgood3230]

I love the PS5. Not enough to spend 700 with no disk drive though lol that's the main dagger for me. I'm not buying a digital PS5. Pro or otherwise. I'll keep that 700 for the new Nintendo system. I can probably get the new switch and a few games with it for 700.

[@chrome3720]

With inflation new Nintendo switch prob going to be 600$ lol get ready

[@derekosgood3230]

@@chrome3720 lol 600? Naw I doubt that. Nintendo ain't THAT stupid

[@thomgizziz]

@@derekosgood3230 you are though...

[@derekosgood3230]

@@thomgizziz That's fine.

[@desfvsfg]

You’re right it’s not worth it

[@JamesLFilms]

$700 for slightly better graphics. It’s an overpriced brick if it can’t play my physical games. They should have found a way for customers to download the digital copy of your physical games. I love my PS5, but Nintendo is about to wipe the floor again. Devs just need to optimize their games better.

[@Marksman3434]

$650 WITH a disc drive built in would’ve been (I think) a reasonable price.

[@jameswarrick9042]

Maybe 600

[@craigfletcher-zn8kl]

400 there's no reason for this huge jump from last gen.

[@sonchezz]

You say people say a $700 PC isn't the same value, but you can buy prebuilds with an rtx 4060 for ~$800-900, which should be roughly approximate to this and has no $160 yearly fee for connecting to the internet nor do you need to buy an $80 physical drive to play games you already own. Still no physical games though :(

[@Gambit2483]

For Gen Z gamers (that don't remember) , welcome to the Era of Arrogant Sony. It only gets worse from here on out.

[@cbgg1585]

I mean, PS3…

[@thomgizziz]

It has been that way for a very long time, are you really this slow?

[@lloydfrancis9149]

I got rid of my physical games during covid because I understood what was going to happen with minimalism. However 700.00 is too much

[@FleischmannMVD]

but does it have blast processing?

[@ninetendopesaitama2107]

Magic blast processing.... Cernybot promised it. ;) ☮️

[@Yusei255]

@@ninetendopesaitama2107 he never promised such a thing.

[@ninetendopesaitama2107]

@@Yusei255 you don't understand him or his haircut. Obviously. ☮️

[@DoctorMinjinx]

I legit don't see the value in it at all. PS4 Pro was able to push "4K" as it's easy to market gimmick, and 4K was indeed on the rise, so the PS4 Pro made some degree of sense. Even then, I personally saw it as not worth it due to it being pretty late into the PS4's life, I believed at the time saving your money for the eventual PS5 would be the smarter choice than upgrading to a PS4 Pro. The PS5 Pro feels like an even worse value because on top of being more expensive, it took AWAY features. Say what you will about the PS4 Pro, it was nothing but improvements. The PS5 Pro has drawbacks, what sense does that make?

[@Dubcity5]

Definitely not worth the price increase and ps5 shouldn't have been released if we need a pro console this soon. I'm glad I have a 4070ti super no need for a ps5 pro 😂

[@slowblakura8139]

Im not buying anything that only comes Digital. I wanted to get Alan Wake 2 and Black Myth and didn’t buy them because they only realese Digital. (But i will buy Alan wake 2 when i comes out physically). I’m not saying you cant buy it but me personally Im not going to support that. If im going to spend $70+ on a Game at least let me have it physically to collect or display my investment. Now they want you to to spend $700 for an only digital console, this is the beginning of the end of the physical era and its only convinient for Them $$$. All we gamers can do is not buy it. Im ready to stop buying games and just start replaying my old ps2/ps3/ps4/ xbox/ switch games for a few years im set.

[@junjooeessi]

Bro!!! I was thinking the same thing and that’s what I’m going to do. Thank you for bringing this up..

[@nindieboy4194]

It cost 800 Euro in Europe... I can LITERALLY build a pc for 800 Euros with better specs and newer architecture like WTF is Sony doing here?

[@M3GRSD]

I'm so glad I didn't listen when everyone said, "don't buy a PS5, wait for the Pro."

[@craigfletcher-zn8kl]

clown world.

[@PersianPrince04]

Good for you, bro! Unfortunately, I made that mistake and now I don't even want to buy a regular PS5 anymore...

[@M3GRSD]

@@PersianPrince04 To each their own, but even if I didn't have a PS5, I refuse to pay nearly $800 for that thing. Sony lost the plot with this thing.

[@desfvsfg]

lol 😂

[@desfvsfg]

You’re clown 🤡

[@GrmDark]

700 bucks, no disc drive, no stand and no "Pro" controller... i got more out those 700 back in 2008 when i got my PS3 bc 🤦‍♂️ No man, just no. I guess PS5 is the first Playstation generation im not buying💀

[@Kevinomgg]

Agreed, we can't support the company who abuse the customers and fans

[@thomgizziz]

you literally do...

[@benjammin105123]

This console generation just totally sucks. Nintendo is the only answer anymore.

[@Rorschach1998]

PC is the best, I turned on dmca-tendo the moment they started attacking fan-games.

[@angelvillegas9604]

​@@Rorschach1998it's there property deal with it

[@thomgizziz]

Good be a little fanboi for another company and then shocked pikachu face again when you get taken advantage of again because you are acting like a blind and slow person.

[@thomgizziz]

@@angelvillegas9604 holy fanboi stupidity.

[@angelvillegas9604]

@@thomgizziz cope

[@N7Null]

Sony just released their best rated PS5 exclusive a week ago and that game doesn't need bleeding edge technology and advanced "AI upscaling" to look and play great and be fun. It's like they couldn't have picked a worse time to try and advertise this new console.

[@eliotwildermann]

Damn that's a crazy title 😅

[@NaikoArt]

is literally true tho

[@SSJ_EWGF]

He ain't wrong

[@eliotwildermann]

@NaikoArt idk about that cuz we would literally have to call the last two generations of pc hardware a scam since it was all over priced literally the switch and series s was the only properly priced items

[@lewissmith960]

Yeah, that missing disc drive is crazy for that price.

[@jimcarrey2866]

Bro you're a hater. Stop eating for a couple of months and you can save 700 dollars. It's worth it.

[@derekosgood3230]

That's hilarious lol

[@ahmedhasan4966]

Ah, yes, $700 with NO STAND AND NO Disc Drive.

[@prentisscovington8676]

💀💀💀

[@JMrealgamer]

Sony is making it an inconvenience to even want to play their stuff at this point. I’m supporting Nintendo even more now. That’s all this means.

[@Mojaveknight17]

False! How is it scam? Do you not get what you pay for? Is a 700 PC as good as the Ps5 pro?

[@DimensionalMaster]

No, it's not

[@10k-Noodles]

If they build it right, yeah. And unlike a console, it has the ability to be easily upgraded.

[@ahmedhasan4966]

The PS5 PRO for $700 doesn't even have a stand nor a disc drive.

[@10k-Noodles]

@@ahmedhasan4966ikr It’s crazy.

[@saiyanleague653]

A PC is much better than a PS5 Pro. You can play most games on PC in 4K 60fps, PC games are also way cheaper & purchasing a PC is a long term investment. A PC is more than just a gaming console. You can edit videos, make music, work on your PC, it’s a webcam/social machine & literally so much more. You’re thinking about JUST playing games, which is a linear way of thinking. This is from a company like Sony that has never shown they even care about their customers not counting most people including their fanbase are affected by our current economy but Sony can care less but spend your food money if you will. It’s your right to buy a ps5 pro over a house lol.

[@emmanuelhernandez3200]

yeah as a physical collector this is the first time ima pass on sony.

[@n3r0dmc4]

600$ with Disk Drive and 800 Gb of storage would have been smarter. I think the backlash wouldn't have been this bad.

[@richardtoth1273]

Its a push on corporation to move to a service model where you will not own video games, music cd's and movies. The WEF said you will own nothing and be happy. The next push on the consumer will be not to own the console but to rent it.

[@EliHank]

Need to find me a sugar mommy asap. Ain't no way I'm missing out on playing Forbidden West in 4K 60FPS

[@issaciams]

This pro console NEEDS TO FAIL. You guys cant keep supporting Sony doing this. This is so crazy.

[@paulmcgeever5343]

Sony promised ps4 pro could do 4k 60fps but in reality that really didn't happen. Then they promised ps5 would be capable of 4k 120fps and even had 8k on the box of the console. People went out and spent alot of money on new hdmi 2.1 compliant tv or monitors inorder to achieve the 4k 120fps that like the ps4 pro has not been able to achieve that with the exception of a few games. Now we have the ps5 pro where there is no mention of the 120fps but have given tech demos now showing games running in 8k ! If i were a lawyer i would love to find out if sony could be sued. It is law that if you buy a product that can't do what the manufacturer claims that is misrepresentation ! Why do sony just think they can get away with it. Sony claiming the ps5 pro offers increased fidelity is putely subjective and has many variables not least the quality of the display you would be playing it on. I believe that is why sony have changed tact as now their claims could be dismissed in a court of law. I am so glad i didn't buy into the whole next gen gaming ! What was it the advert sony did for playstation 4 ah yes it's for the players. In my opinion ps5 pro is for sony profit. Gamers are just cash cows and it will get to the point where download only will be the gaming experience where sony not only control the price of games but will unfoubtably also become a online experience that sony control when a game is no longer playable. Sorry for the rant !

[@chearahendry1502]

They're turning into Apple, overcharging for the smallest things

[@ManuMiAS]

I've been exploring the PS5 library, and I feel like there aren't many games that truly capture my interest right now. While I'm enjoying Fortnite and revisiting the classic RE games, I do find that the newer RE Engine titles just haven't appealed to me as much as I expected. I'd love to see more unique and engaging options in the future!

[@jordanking7711]

So let me get this right. No disc drive in the box and ONLY available as an option which ALSO has to be physically registered to your console via the Internet, no vertical stand and AGAIN is only available as an option (I don't personally use it, but power to those who do), STILL no full backwards compatibility, and Sony STILL wants to charge over $1000 (in Australia)? For over $1000, as PlayerEssence said it SHOULD HAVE come with both the disc drive ON THE CONSOLE, and the vertical stand in the box.

[@Viz79]

I think it's over. Nintendo will clean up soon. Portable console at PS4 Pro plus level, first party games, full third party support now, best console for local play and fully portable too? Sony releasing games like Concorde and trying to rob people with a pro console with hardly any games years in? Xbox and done and Sony to follow. And with Nintendo being able to run all games apart from Sony exclusives on Switch 2 plus the entire back library it's a slam dunk.

[@Yusei255]

sony will not be done, they will be just fine.

[@Viz79]

@@Yusei255 like Concorde?

[@chilltunes8926]

Seems like because Concord died, Sony is trying to recoup their loss by having physical owners buy a disk drive plus the price jump for this ‘’upgraded” console. If that ends up being the case, then this situation is worse as it was their fault for Concord dying and the consumer shouldn’t be punished.

[@Joe-cp5ud]

It’s an insult to their most engaged customers, and specifically the ones who would have actually bought it. It’s like you said, it’s not even about the money, it is a slap in the face directly to the customers they should be trying to keep the most.

[@ShinKyuubi]

The ROI when it comes to graphics is hitting the limit both on PC and console, the dang thing doesn't have a disc drive, you have to buy that by itself which for me would make this thing near 800 bucks. I JUST saved up enough to finally get a PS5 in time for Dragon Ball Sparking....I think I'll just wait till this thing goes way down in price like my PS4 Pro did. I didn't switch to a PS4 pro until my PS4 finally started giving out on me, I'd had that PS4 since day 1 for the console...it served me well. By the time it gave out on me the PS4 Pro had been out for like 2 or more years and the price had gone down. I don't know WHAT Sony is thinking with a price point THAT high and it being a digital only console...they charged $100 extra for the base PS5 to come with a disc drive for physical disc and the digital one's SELLING POINT was it was cheaper to get than the physical disc version. That logic ain't gonna fly this time especially when the upgrades are so minor that only people who REALLY care about that kinda stuff will notice...and those kind of people are already PC Master Race types who have PCs that are already doing that kind of stuff. Console gamers aren't as focused on that kind of stuff anymore...especially when now the PS5 is basically "Baby's First Gaming PC" as far as things go...wanna play physical games on your PS5 Pro? Gotta install that disc drive yourself. Wanna have more memory than your PS5 comes with? You gotta buy the SSD Memory upgrade yourself and put it in. I keep saying it but now I'm even more convinced that the PS6 will make you upgrade the graphics card by itself and will come as a digital only version where you have to buy the disc drive by itself and install it.

[@wheresmybeeradam8311]

Agree 100% with what you said mate.. I’m in the same boat, I can afford it, but it’s the principle of making you pay for what should already be included in that premium price .. I’m going to pass on it, because I don’t want to feed their greed… This arrogance of Sony has come full circle, the PS2 did really well, so they got arrogant with the release of the PS3, which hurt them in sales until the cheaper PS3 slim hit the shelves.. the PS4 done really well, & the PS5 is doing much better than their competitor, so here they are again doing exactly the same arrogant thing with the PS5 pro, so I hope this doesn’t sell as well as they expect as well, if it doesn’t then they might either drop the price or add those things that should of been included in the first place..

[@laviathenlatos2186]

Well considering the iPhone 16 pro Max is $1200 (which I will not be buying) and most of my friends are getting one, $800 subtract what they will give me on a trade in with the OG PS5 I could be at 5 something

[@McHammer931]

Why even make this PS5Pro ? Is there a game out yet that really pushed anything ? It still feels like we are in the early PS5 era 😅 Sony just messed up. Will they learn from it ?

[@severinevans346]

Considering you can build a brand new PC with all new parts for about 750$ with a Ryzen 5 3600 and a RTX 4060 or 4060TI for that price that's ridiculous. With frame generation and DLSS it will probably outperform the PS5 pro too most likely which is just unheard of. Consoles are finally around the price of lower end PCs now which is just wild to think about.