The power of protein- Diet Doctor Podcast with Dr. Ted Naiman

[@Mariamaija]

After listening to this, and after eating LCHF for over a year, I started eating way more protein and more greens and I seriously cut down on the fat intake, and I lost weight so fast and feel a lot better in generel. Thank you for a GREAT and informative podcast

[@tonyneillaw]

I've listened to a few of the diet doctor's interviews, and he really knows how to bring the best out of his guests, with educated questions. Excellent job!

[@marigrace3865]

I am 70 years of age and have had a weight issue from the age of 9. I recently bumped up my protein to around 35% of calories, reduced fat to under 50g, and carbs under 80 net. I get 90% of carbs at my evening meal and practice 18/6 IF with weight train 4 times a week . My strength is coming back fast and the covid 20 is finally melting away. I can't recommend this way of eating enough.

[@TheDylan6908]

Marie, fellow 70 y/o here. Sounds like ur doing great.

[@Marco-jx9rr]

Great, I do the same but have some higher carb days, around my workouts and I definetly feel the massive energy coming from them. Not if adding more fat. I make sure my 50-60gr of fats comes from eggs, olives, some fatty beef. They regulate hormones at best but are not necessary as fuel, we already have our fat. Indeed despite the keto's fixation on insuline, our body uses fat internally for many low-energy pathways even in the presence of carbs. Also muscles use a lot of fats in the resting days after strength workouts, to do which you need carbs!

[@meanwhile4308]

You go girl!!💞

[@meanwhile4308]

@@tessala7046 Try fasting...

[@learnshareevolve1842]

Great work! Thank you for sharing your experience!

[@gregm762]

The main issue is so many people don’t cook for themselves. It is extremely difficult to eat enough protein if you’re eating out. Most restaurants think 6 oz or 8 oz of meat is plenty. Fast food is even worse, where you’re lucky if you get 3 or 4 ounces of meat in simple hamburger. If you’re targeting 40% of your calories from protein, that won’t be enough.

[@AmexL]

And the other issue with eating out is that their all using cheap vegetable, seed and processed oils. But yea, I agree, you gotta start cooking for yourself / at home. I’m someone who had the means to eat out for the last 10’years and I did. Just in the last 6 weeks I started Keto and now more specifically PE and 100% of what I eat, I cook. It’s been a huge transformation and one for the better on all levels.

[@TerriblePerfection]

The best food comes out of my kitchen. I like traveling and enjoy the break, but I'm always glad to be home again.

[@bradje12]

@@AmexL Hi, Just wondering how you found the PE diet over the last year? Has it been good? How has it been beneficial? Any downside? Thx

[@AmexL]

@@bradje12 it’s fine. I didn’t follow it for more than a month. Depends on what your goals are as far as saying whether it’s good or bad. I was looking to lose weight. I did, but not through PE. Ultimately, if weight loss is your goal, you can’t ignore calories. I spent a year consuming vast amounts of info around Keto, PE, carnivore, etc…all this stuff and one thing was inescapable for weight loss - calories. And I got the data for myself to prove it as I tracked my calories and weight meticulously for over 6 months. And the other thing that I found was important was protein for satiety. So PE is good for that as it focuses on protein. I give PE more credit for being a long term plan than Keto.

[@michaelsrowland]

How much protein a day is sufficient?

[@Paul-hi7nw]

To: Diet Doctor, please bring Dr. Naiman back and ask him about the application of his theories to pre-diabetics, diabetics, and senior citizens. Thank you for this and your many other informative podcasts.

[@NikhilKumarM]

🙌

[@susanitasandia5065]

Yes, as a senior, I too, would love this suggested interview. This current interview is good too. As always, Bret, you are an elegant interviewer. One of the best!

[@CatCambak]

I went on a trip and gained 6lbs. I’m a strict carnivore but just for experiment sake I tried adding in 1 to 2 big salads every day. Over 3 weeks I noticed my appetite greatly increased eating the leafy greens and salad low carb vegetable choices and my protein was very high. My weight didn’t budge. A week ago I switched back to carnivores steak and eggs and immediately started losing weight.

[@Marco-jx9rr]

Did you measure your waist? Weight is not a good indicator. Also salad is garbage, the worst the vegetable world can offer. So you can even have a massive water retention due to the "toxicity" of raw leaves. I added 10 lbs after introducing good carbs as tubers or low-glicemic fruits but my waist remained identical. Since I am quite tall and muscular, that weight was mostly glycogen and water in the muscles

[@drgenevaricano3286]

Thank you Doc! I had tremendous body comp changes with 2 years Carnivore, yet the scale didn't move. I'll take it as a success, but I was still about 40lbs excess fat while eating traditional higher fat, moderate protein. I'm 8 weeks into your protocol, having stayed Carnivore and down 13 lbs so far! I'm so thankful for you and I'm happy to continue working towards my goals!!

[@williamdahl3318]

Awesome! Are you still losing?

[@KillerofGods]

How is it going?

[@SuzyCothran]

What does a typical day look like for you? Do you incorporate IF? I’ve been strict carnivore and feel amazing but I’m not losing much needed fat so I’m very intrigued by your success. Thanks ♥️

[@davidrodgers4760]

YES,me too ..dont like all the fatty ribeye,and,salt,so many push..what exactly specifically do U eat on carnivore. Thanks

[@carolinemarie44]

I'm carnivore as well, eating 1-2 times a day.

[@yanostropicalparadise755]

even if you could ingest 30% protein on plant foods it doesn't mean your body can absorb that protein, or that the estrogenic compounds from it can be harmful to your body.

[@albrackets8446]

Yes, and although they did touch on the completeness of the amino acid balance, I would have liked to hear more on it, especially being a a treatise that gives protein the highest importance.

[@Marco-jx9rr]

Also plant proteins means eating ALOT. To me some animal proteins within a high carb meal is the most satiating and muscle-sparing diet that leads to eat much less. I know many keto-enthousiasts would disagree but I suspect people tend to extremes too much and misses the magic of the middleground 😉

[@yanostropicalparadise755]

@@Marco-jx9rr extreme diet are not for everyone buts its the only solution for many. i don't like the popular keto diet and it didn't work for me long term for several reasons. what has worked for me is moderate fat high protein carnivore diet. i still eat fruit, drink on weekends, white rice from time to time. im not religious about a diet but i do try to be as strict as possible. i also use two types of fasting 18-6 and for the last 8 weeks faster for 40+ hours twice a week. that stubborn last few lbs are coming off. see ive been trying to lose those last 15lbs for years nothing would do it till now. i also found that on this diet things i sued to like eating ive lost the desire to eat and taste for. i'm not enticed by potatoes, salads, vegetables, breads, pastries, even some meats no longer turn me on like chicken, pork, shrimp. i ca literally eat meat every day and never be bored. course i eat different cuts and cook then different ways, but always med to rare.

[@Cam-sl8ve]

and plant protein has poor amino acid profiles, especially for muscle protein synthesis from leucine

[@happynessadict]

@@Cam-sl8ve I am not plant based , but i dont fully believe what you saying . the muscle meat you are eating from a cow was grown by plants . how about Elephants, Giraffs , water buffalo , bison ......all huge muscular Animals eating only plants...aka grass fed

[@PGpenny6]

As a 73 yr old woman, this topic is of interest to me ... I am aware of the PE way of eating beginning to become a topic of youtube broadcasts lately. Might have to listen to this one again.

[@tigs73]

Definitely also check out Stuart Phillips for the importance of protein!

[@jellybeanvinkler4878]

I am 65, keto-ish for 2+ years now, down 50lbs and maintaining. But I lost hair, and possibly some muscle, over these years. So, I have been trying to increase my protein lately, even though some will warn about too much growth factor kicking in. Especially at my age, the concern for cancer is looming. It is certainly a balancing act, and age should always be included in the discussion of protein.

[@maggiemay97]

I’m 69 and started keto in mid-September 2020. I did great at first and lost 21 pounds by Thanksgiving. Then I hit a stall although I stuck strictly to the keto plan. Kept going up and down the same two tenths of a pound for three full months! At that point I was pretty annoyed, went out and bought pizza and ice cream and I forget what all else things I had been missing and had myself a wild couple of days. And I LOST two pounds!!! During those days I first heard about the P:E diet and felt that might be a better plan for me. I didn’t buy the book, but I watched a bunch of videos featuring Dr. Naiman and modified my macros a bit, lowering the fat, increasing the protein and still aiming for 20g of carbs, but I do go over a little once in a while. I’ve lost 10 more pounds now since I pulled myself out of my little binge and changed my macros.

[@CMch22]

When I started targeting protein to around 30% of my calories I didn't have to think that much about carbs or fat (just generally healthier sources for them) and my weight has stabilized like never before. Some days are higher fat, some days higher carb. I can listen to what I want and it becomes much more intuitive. I do think protein is the answer, not the carb vs fat obsession

[@navy80to04]

That was very good interview, thank you. Still on my Keto journey. 1.5 years in and 70 lbs down. Lost all of my pains and pills my Doc pushed on me!

[@bjb0808]

One of the best interviews with Dr. Naiman. No, let me change that. THE best interview with Dr. Naiman. Thank you!

[@dawnlawson7720]

Outstanding interview! I have been following the P.E. Diet for 1 week and am astounded at the hunger control and loss of weight. I have tried almost every diet out there and have failed miserabley because of lack of protein. This is the most easiest and satieting diet ever. Its pretty much effortless. I dont feel hungry what so ever. This way of eating is absolutey sustainable.

[@daryltownsley4562]

ok, here is what has worked for me as I've gleaned infor from many of these podcasts. Increase protein Increase quality of protein Enjoy a steak Don't worry about amount of fat, but the quality of fat Decrease carbs, but and zero out sugar and super refined carbs Don't eat for at least 14 hours Don't snack and if I do,,,it's a very good snack. If not hungry or an egg or a piece of salmon...skip the snack. Fast for 36 hours occasionally Drink bone broth when feeling iffy. Enjoy sauerkraut Walk after a meal. or do something for a few minutes. That's it.

[@wdmadsen13]

I like Dr. Naiman's idea that the most important thing is sustainability and that we need to work towards eating and exercising now the way we are going to eat and exercise forever. Change needs to be made in small positive changes.

[@Michelle_with2Ls]

So glad you had Dr. Neiman back to share his knowledge and wisdom. Thank you. It was a thoroughly enjoyable conversation. 👍🙏

[@tflbo]

Both of you just seem so nice. This was a really *nice* experience to watch, over and above the substantive information and analysis shared. We need more of this nice in the world. Fewer carbs, more nice :)

[@TheDylan6908]

Scher is a very good interviewer.

[@gmbk1953]

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[@michaelshannon9169]

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[@pvl256]

100% agree

[@mirandalah5150]

Nice comment

[@ladycactus110]

The statement about a dozen eggs for 99 cents had me laughing-2 years after it was made. Now, for pasture-raised, it’s $6.99-8.99.

[@suedemutant8196]

Finally. Bringing out the true boss from the shadow 👍

[@truthseeker713]

By a lot of what he talks about doing especially in respect to carbs you can tell he has never been insulin resistant, morbidly obese or had food addiction. I agree with some of what he talks about, (the need for increase in protein), however, a great deal of his attitude about carbs (eating potatoes, cycling carbs, eating carbs in the eve, not worrying if you have a CGM spike from eating a high carb food) I disagree with. I have never seen him provide any of the research he is getting his info from which leaves me thinking a lot of what he talk about is his expressing his opinion as if it is fact.

[@roywalker7512]

Truthseeker I totally agree with you.

[@defeqel6537]

I actually agree with him, somewhat, in that once you have reached your goals, cycling a bit of carbs can be useful or even more healthy, but I very much agree with you that he (nor I) has not presented evidence for that opinion.

[@MrRRSODL]

The cynic in me says " there's money to be made in writing books on diets but LCHF, KETO, LFHC, etc are all well covered but there's very little written on HP diets for the average person.... Bingo, that's where I'm going to make some money"

[@sharonp.6505]

"You can't build an animal out of plants". Seriously????? The largest mammals on the planet (including the ones we eat) exist and grow exclusively on plants. BTW, I'm not a vegan but this was a ridiculous statement.

[@Cam-sl8ve]

Yeah that is actually a really dumb comment lmao

[@mikehassard8089]

True and the largest animal/mamal on earth is a carnivore - arctic blue whale.

[@geraldsahd3413]

A little know obstetrician Dr Bradley observed that pregnant who consume low protein were more likely to develop preeclampsia or gestational diabetes. In addition to developing a birthing method he developed a protein rich diet for pregnant women.

[@samuelreiter6412]

Salt your food, pregnant moms!

[@mrdomino1881]

Yes, my glucose skyrocket when I try to increase a bit of carbs , even including berries, tomatoes, squash, and other lower carb foods.

[@thedcbroker7264]

Mr domino I can only do green salad mix or broccoli kale leafy greens with meat. When I went to mainly protein my hunger went away.

[@randomroses1494]

@@thedcbroker7264 I’ve stopped measuring BG but I had 10 grams of carbs in a meal(2 cheap supermarket burgers)a few weeks ago and I immediately fell asleep, which always happened to me before I went Keto.

[@thedcbroker7264]

@@randomroses1494 I used to crash after carb meals too. I tried energy drinks, coffee, etc, but I was the walking dead. Mentioned it to my doctor, he said try some coffee late in the day or I could have sleep apnea. He could have saved me a lot of pain and suffering if he told me about keto and carnivore. Funny thing is his office still calls to see how I’m feeling. These were the same people who suggested I switch to a vegan diet and eat 5 times a day. He put me on blood pressure meds......all I needed to do was eat once a day, and eat mainly meat. Lost weight, blood pressure went down, no need for meds, no more brain fog or crashes. It’s cheap!! I wonder how many other people’s lives he’s destroyed.

[@Marco-jx9rr]

Are you adding these carbs on top of a high fat diet? That is to be expected. Also after long enough on a fat-centric diet your muscles become insuline-resistant, the few carbs in your body go only to those cells that can't live without such as blood cells, eyes, etc. So you add carbs but your body does not use them. Carb's pathways were downregulated. It takes time to regain affinity with glucose and requires to reduce dietary fats for some months at least

[@janiceg7661]

I gained 20 lbs during the pandemic and am struggling bad to lose it. I’m so frustrated and sick of dieting. Low carb we all understand, but from there knowing what to eat , especially for me 50 yo hashimoto hypo menopause is brutal. It’s effecting my mental health now too and some days I want to give up, but my family all dies young from cardiac issues, so I can’t. Thank you for your video.

[@dietdoctor]

You may find our two week Getting Started With Keto Challenge helpful! www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/get-started

[@joshuabellamy2488]

I just came across this channel and thank God I did! The interviewer was asking so many of the questions I wish I could ask these fitness KZbinrs! Great information! I have been theorizing the solution of low carb and low fat but haven’t heard anyone on KZbin or anywhere discuss this! It’s always just been either or (high fat low carb or low fat high carb)… but it only makes sense to do both when trying to burn body fat… it’s just that I’ve never heard anyone explicitly state this before!!! THESE WERE THE ANSWERS IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR! WATCHING HOURS AND HOURS OF INFORMATION AND FINALLY FOUND THE ANSWER!!!! THANK YOU!!! KEEP DOING THIS PLEASE! I’m a new subscriber now!

[@learnshareevolve1842]

Being a recent adopter of keto & intermittent fasting, I have been listening to an arrays of concepts and approaches from holistic physicians, nutritionists and ‘bio hackers’. Having spent one month doing a ‘carnivore’ diet, I was eager to get back to leafy greens and broader basic real food. This is the 2nd talk emphasizing protein recently. The protein-satiety-energy ‘equation’ is certainly thought-provoking, along w the points about metabolic flexibility, etc.

[@sunilkutty6787]

Dr Ted is back with a bang.

[@ruthbiafora5443]

Ted nails it every time !!! Thank you !!

[@jerrysims6691]

Great stuff! I have been advocating protein for health and weight loss for some time. It really is the key.

[@davidrodgers4760]

Yes,what exactly do U eat on carnivore..thanks

[@vannahhall915]

So amazing to hear 2 physicians admit food needs to be enjoyable!

[@omadoutlaw4868]

I think fasting is key to weight loss in low carb or low fat diets along with increased protein.

[@Marco-jx9rr]

It can work if you don't restrict carbs, so a night carb meal f.i. But if already restricting carbs, fasting can become stressfull and put you at low-energy. I talk after experience 😉

[@Cam-sl8ve]

Only in the sense that it reduces the likelihood that you over eat. If you still consume more food than you need, you'll get fat.

[@rodneybooth4069]

400K subs, WTG DD! Now I know why I leave the restaurant and feel like I didn't get full after a grilled chicken salad. I need to double the chicken,,,and I will on the next outing to see how it goes. Thanks.

[@jerome4276]

400,001

[@ChannelJtotheD]

Awesome information you guys. Nicely explained. What I’m learning from all docs is that since Iv been improving on my protein intake, my cravings for sugary foods has declined. Thank you for sharing your podcast

[@ericmaltz159]

Great explanation Dr. Naiman. There are too many zealots in life, nice to see someone who uses science correctly. Thx docs.

[@norcofreerider604]

Wow, it's almost like we spent the last 1.5 million years eating a diet primarily consisting of animal protein, along with whatever edible plants were seasonally available.

[@divadyrdnal]

Cyclical carbs (or carbs usage in general) are for folks that do not (or have not ever) have metabolism issues... love thin athletic folks discussing how old fat guys should get in shape. I want someone who has been fat and out of shape for 50 years and then recovered...let’s see them tell me how “easy” it is to get their metabolism back “good enough” to add carbs to their diet!

[@slalomsk8er397]

A potato has about 80-90% carbs in dry weight or 15-20% in normal cooked form. So if I add water to flour it's about the same and ground beef is low protein with only 20% protein and low fat with only 15% fat ;) Besides the need to get the quality of your fats in order and your carbs down, he is right and protein needs to be higher in quantity and quality, for most people. Don't forget, that carbs are non essential but fats need to be present in good quality and quantity. "Lucky" for us, in nature, the good protein comes bundled with the good fats, it's like we're adapted to this!

[@MsTony1402]

I’ve been following dietdoctor for quite a while now and usually love your content especially as it’s been so useful for me as a reversed T2 diabetic. But this video was rather confusing. I’ve obviously heard Ted Naiman speak before but I would have loved for dietdoctor to provide much more information particularly around Ted’s statements incl eating 100g of carbs... I hope future videos are much clearer as to what exactly you’re advising is the best macro make up for people with metabolic issues.

[@SkyZer0]

he's basically saying that if you never have carbs, and restrict them either through eating or fasting or deplete them via high intensity exercise/weight training, you have all this room in your muscle and liver glycogen so there really are no drawbacks to eating that many carbs in a sitting. 100g of carbs would be bad for somebody who is super overfat to begin with, and who never depletes their glycogen stores from exercise and their eating patterns. and the leaner you get, the more metabolically flexible you become.

[@swanee22]

@@SkyZer0 Well said. Metabolic flexibility is the name of the game. Probably 80% of Americans are sugar (carbohydrate) burners incapable of burning fat because they keep their glucose levels elevated almost all the time, so never burn fat...which is why they are, well, fat. If you can get your glucose levels down long enough to start burning fat -through time restricted eating and lowering what Naiman calls energy intake (both fats and carbohydrates as well as getting protein up to 35 - 40% of calories) then you're good to go. It can take several days to a couple of weeks to transition into becoming a fat burner who produces ketones regularly, though. Stephen Finney MD, talks a lot about making this transition...salt is important.

[@SkyZer0]

@@swanee22 not high glucose levels, but high glycogen stores that are always filled and at maximum capacity. not talking about keto here. you can be in a ketogenic state and be running off fat for energy, but you're never going to be burning your own fat stores if you're consuming too much dietary fat as well. 80% of americans are consuming too many calories by eating foods comprised of carbs+fat combined.

[@hopefulforhumanity5625]

Maria Emmerich recommends for fat loss to do keto 4 days a week and for the other 3 days do low fat AND low carb AND low calorie. That way you preserve muscle, burn your own body fat, but you avoid turning down your metabolism.

[@foodandhomeprep8425]

I just had a 7 ounce fillet mignon and double order of broccoli at Bonefish. I was so proud of myself and it was delicious. Been on low carb, low fat for 5 weeks and lost 10 lbs.

[@cindymeyer838]

Congratulations on making excellent food choices. Atta girl!😁

[@bjb0808]

I did low carb and could not control my appetite! I was not raising the level of protein and it was very low. I've stayed focusing on protein now for the first time in my life and the weight is dropping off. It's not easy, because I'm vegetarian but it is amazing. This was the key all along and I had tried everything BUT protein.

[@dietdoctor]

You may find this helpful! www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/keto/vegetarian

[@aprilek6003]

Great questions as always Dr Bret Love your interview style. I noticed how Ted did not answer what is more satiating whey protein powder or ribeye steak. I would argue the ribeye steak is more satiating and has a lower insulin spike than the whey protein powder

[@imliz100]

Agree, Dr Bret is a very intelligent thorough and pleasant interviewer. I think Dr Ted would agree with you on the steak!

[@TerriblePerfection]

One is real food, the other processed. A no-brainer.

[@roywalker7512]

The main reason steak, or any whole food version of protein is more satiating is, it takes longer for whole food protein to digest, and whey protein is the fastest of all proteins to be sucked into muscle, that is why it is so good for a a post exercise food.

[@Keithmurray23]

Thanks for the advice. This is exactly what I’ve been thinking of doing. I lost 50 lbs following a high fat low carb diet but I’m looking to become more defined. Gonna lower my fat intake and see what happens!

[@lemonj5658]

What happened?

[@ManchoManchev]

Wanting to be more defined is ok. But too low body fat % is not good long term. Keep that in mind as more and more fitness coaches come to this realization. Too low of a body fat is also detrimental especially to women's health.

[@IvicaOS]

what a great, great guy Ted Naiman, I could listen to him every day, bought book of course, very happy with it…

[@cyndimanka]

I know this is an old video but I have to comment. I lost weight on keto but it didn’t do any good for my health issues. As soon as I went carnivore my asthma cleared up my lower G.I. issues cleared up and my hip arthritis got so much better. I tried to add vegetables one time this last summer of 2022 and I couldn’t walk that night my hip hurts so bad. I just feel better on a protein diet

[@laurarance4352]

Great information as always. Way to go guys! Y'all are awesome!

[@rebeccaarcher5139]

Really great conversation to hear. Type 1 diabetic husband and I have been eating 100% carnivore diet for almost 2 years. Feeling great! Quite sustainable. I suppose we are likely eating quite a lot of fat that occurs naturally in the meat as well as the cream in the coffee but zero added carbs (while there may be some small amount of carb in the meat).

[@soulcostume]

That Dr. Bret's smile at 41 ish minute when Ted is explaining what to do to be more efficient - lower carbs, is priceless💗

[@yrelle08]

I’ve noticed that too. Lol!

[@itamaravraham4068]

Ted is extremely educated and your questions are very thoughtful and precise. Learned a lot from the interview🎓

[@Oscar_AH]

I have to disagree, the key of satiety is not in eating the macro that gives you more satiety per calorie. It’s on getting the body used to burn fat as energy, so the body uses its own fat and you are never really hungry

[@Marco-jx9rr]

Let me disagree with your disagreement 😆...in a constructive manner. Suppressing hunger is not a good thing and is not synonymous with satiety. Indeed a fat metabolism brings to low energy and reduced metabolism. Having hunger is not a bad thing, having disregulated ghrelin due to eating refined junk is. Whole carbs + animal proteins and low but adeguate fats containing fat-soluble vitamins is the most satiating food that naturally leads to eat less ON THE LONG and, furthermore, having high energy makes you more active 😉

[@lemonj5658]

I agree with you Oscar. Well pretty much. I mean I think it's important to feel satiated in the first place to get the ball rolling, so a high protein intake takes care of that for me. However if you're barely consuming carbs then where is your body going to get the energy to process protein? From fat! So by consuming a lot of protein with no/barely any carbs then you'll activate burning fat for fuel in order to process that protein. Then of course I totally agree with you that you'll feel less and less hungry as your body can feel satiated because now it is used to burning it's own fat (of course, that is if you have enough fat reserves). From personal experience what I have found is that I need way more protein at first in order to get the calories I need, ie: before fat burning has been activated. I eat low fat protein because if I were eating protein along with high fat then my body just uses the fat that I consume to create fuel to process protein. Of course there's nothing wrong with that (well there kinda is if you read my final note at the end) as you'll still be getting your body used to/using fat for fuel, however you'll also not be burning the fat on your body as there'll be no need to. By all means start this way if you want, and then go to lean protein. However to get results quicker it is better to have a very high protein and low carb, low fat ratio at first. Why? .... You'll feel very satiated from the high protein intake. Because you're eating a load of protein you will require a lot of energy to process it, thus you will activate fat burning much quicker. As you're not/barely not consuming carbs and fat then your body will continue to get the fuel from the fat on your body. Once you've activated burning your own fat for fuel then you'll feel less hungry and therefore you can reduce your protein intake. Metabolism won't decline because you're not starving, your body is getting all it's needs from the fat on your body even if you're only eating 500 calories a day from lean protein. For example, some days I only eat a tin of tuna and a couple of eggs. Now and then I'll fast if I want to. I feel fine because my body is burning fat for fuel. Final note: Protein may raise insulin more than fat. People say that insulin makes you store fat and so stops you from burning it for fuel. Sure, but what people don't say is that it makes you store fat that you consume. Insulin doesn't make you store fat that is already stored, because obviously it is already stored! Once the fat on your body has been turned into fuel then it is no longer in the form where insulin will store it, ie: Insulin doesn't store 'fuel', it stores 'fat' which can then later be used for fuel. So when the fat on your body has been turned into fuel in your body, then insulin won't do a thing to it. The fuel from your fat will simply be used for fuel. This is a most important note. Thanks! :D

[@michaelhiggins2562]

I've had success losing weight with low carb, significant increase in protein, and modest increase in fat.

[@Yiayia3]

For me, anytime I lower my fat and up my protein I find myself actually having more cravings. When I have higher fat intake and moderate protein I am almost never hungry and my sugar Cravings are gone period protein seems to make me crash and be hungry again.

[@daynawest3707]

That seems to be what is happening to me too. I'm in maintenance now and tried to increase the protein and lower the fat while keeping carbs very low...now, I'm hungry ALL the time!

[@asarcadyn2414]

How much protein do you get when you up it and how much fat do you cut? From the video, it seems that small and incremental changes in each give the best results.

[@dietdoctor]

You may find it helpful to make the changes more gradually rather than trying to double protein and halve the fat. It may be easier to sustain.

[@joerandom157]

Saturated Fat is the missing piece IMO. High protein with some saturated fat is the key to satiety... at least for me.

[@cearilindubhlaoi9507]

This is a clip you just need to watch again and again so helpful..love Dr Brett always explains things in full for his listeners much appreciated..just new to Dr Ted so very much interested to hear more from him ..😊😊😊😊👌👌👌👏👏👏👏👏

[@daveoatway6126]

At 76 yo, avoiding sarcopenia is my second priority. Not falling is primary - and needing muscle is essential to that. I would love to see diet studies in mature individuals since metabolism seems to change with age.

[@bme7491]

When I went on keto, the fat I was eating was just a bonus from all the meat and fish I ate to maintain my protein intake.

[@monicaambs]

Really enjoyed this episode. Professor Stuart Phillips from McMaster University does studies related to low protein intake in older people and the terrible outcomes. He has great KZbin episodes as well.

[@geraldsahd3413]

What I like is now the low carb community is moving away from one size fits all protein amount. The elderly is a great example of need to increase protein. As I have increased exercise so has protein

[@TheDylan6908]

Apparently older people need more protein than young people. You would think the opposite is true.

[@monicaambs]

@@TheDylan6908 The reason is older adult do not utilize the protein as well as we did when we where young. This was said by Professor Stuart Phillips from McMaster University

[@davidrodgers4760]

@@geraldsahd3413 yes.what exactly specifically vdo U eat on carnivore, thanks

[@geraldsahd3413]

@@davidrodgers4760 I’m not strictly carnivore. But to get protein amounts I find eggs are my friend.

[@russellholtslander7790]

I am doing Carnivore, and eat about 2000 calories.. eggs, sausage, butter, chuck roast, and water ... and I get 75% fat.. so high fat, but I am at 24-25% protein.. I think low carb may not be HIGH protein, but it's usually 20%. As long as you eat some meat, you will probably get plenty of protein. We label different diets, but I find mine would be very low carb

[@gerilee8612]

Super great interview! Great questions and explanations. Thank you, both!

[@Katsem]

Been watching lots of Ted’s interviews and am very impressed. But, I’m also very impressed with Dr. William Li’s book, Eat To Beat Disease. I’m trying to stay in cancer remission, and deal with aging. Keto and IF helped me drop weight and improve my labs, but after a year, I don’t feel as well as I did 6 months into it. So, now I’m looking at adding back more higher carb nutrient dense fruits, veg and legumes. But, I’m also adding more lean protein, because of Ted’s research.

[@dort5436]

Interesting to hear but vague on protein intake for weight loss. When my daughter was in Kaiser weight loss program, they took measurements and each person had their minimum grams of protein to eat per day. After 2 weeks she didn't feel hungry and had a hard time-consuming daily requirement.

[@skeptigal8899]

Thank God for eggs, nature’s little protein bombs.

[@omadoutlaw4868]

Exactly! Don't fear the gluconeogenesis and the insulin spike from protein.

[@Marco-jx9rr]

@@omadoutlaw4868 I do fear it, it leads to serious problems due to upregulated stress hormones. Don't embrace a fringe theory before having experimented it for years and be sure not to be so young that even a diet based on chips and coke does not show any problem 😉

[@tigertalks1567]

Actually they're not that great of a source of protein do they have a lot of fat too but they are a good vitamin

[@melisasv]

Neither one of those men has been morbidly obese I would bet. A higher fat food plan helps people get “satiated” for the first years of LCHF. The problem is “compulsive” eating for regulating emotions . But obviously most can’t eat 5000 cals a day and lose weight. Which I have seen some KETO people try.

[@Cgrant65]

My problem is that when I have more protein than fat, my fasting glucose is high around 120 throughout the whole day.

[@BigPictureYT]

It is easy to get 30% of your calories from protein. Just eat meat and seafood. If you eat 80/20 hamburger, you get 43% of your calories from protein. Sockeye salmon is 57% protein. Whole eggs are 36%. Shrimp is 82%. Ribeye steak is 33%. Sardines are 36%. Even bacon is 31% protein. It is hard to find any animal food that provides fewer than 30% of its calories from protein. Cheese, nuts, avocado, butter, and olive oil are all far less than 30% protein.

[@Lamz..]

I missed the general health perspective in this discussion on carbs or fat rather than just weight control. Aren't carbs driving chronic inflammation much more than fat?

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Certainly refined sugars and highly processed carbs are inflammatory. But bad fats, such as vegetable/seed oils are also.

[@Lamz..]

@@cps_Zen_Run Absolutely true, I don't think they were discussing PUFA's here. I would have liked to see a comparison of animal fats (not seed oils) against carbs for other reasons than weight loss. Things like auto-immune disease, diabetes and such.

[@viggohjortkjr5219]

By far, the biggest driver of chronic inflammation is bodyfat percentage and energy toxicity.

[@Lamz..]

@@viggohjortkjr5219 Bodyfat is rather a symptom of possible metabolic disease, though, not a driver. There are skinny people with inflammation, and metabolically healthy fat people. What do you mean with 'engergy toxisity?'

[@roddunne]

25:26 Key observation/question Dr. Scher - I'd include myself on that realisation of journey travelling low-fat --> low-carb --> keto --> more protein

[@kathymacgregor2173]

Amazing podcast, I listened to it twice, it was that good! 😂😂

[@lyleburns8532]

I can easily do Keto and eat 8 cups of veggies and greens a day. Raw one cup servings - Net carbs: Spinach .4. Lettuce 1.4. Celery 2. Portabella 2.5. Cabbage 3. Cucumbers 3.2. Cauliflower.3.2. Broccoli 3.6. Tomatoes 4. Asparagus 4.

[@kostar500]

Ted is definitely a smart guy...

[@ladyjatheist2763]

now THIS makes sense! I HAVE prolific fat stores of my own... I'm almost 2 months in keto and don't like fatty meat, though I do enjoy butter and cheese and cream I've only lost about 8-10 lbs (the first 5 most likely water) so high fat is NOT ideal for me, High protein makes more sense, let me get satisfied by some great protein cause seriously the qty of calories I'm eating is very low compared to what I have always eaten before and yet the weight is not "falling off" like it should be... finally there's an argument for upping protein and just letting my body use my own fuel stores instead of "teaching" it how to burn fat by taking in gross (literally) amounts of exogenous fat.

[@ny10980]

Thank god for Bret Scher knowing so much. He almost doesn't need the guests...except to be politically balanced.

[@damien2198]

Proteins are expensive for sure, I now buy my meat from a wholesaler by 10-20kg box and put them in the chest freezer. I also eat liver & heart which cost very little (heart is quite nice sous vide 10h@54*C+quick blow torch). Grilling is now a hobby, I enjoy my proteins.I bought PE Diet last year, which is absolutely wonderful.

[@peternielsen1414]

Liver and kidney an heart are the most healthy proteins you only need more fat😀

[@maggiemay97]

Please tell me where ground beef is 99 cents per pound. Not here in Texas. Close to $4.00 per pound is more like it. And I don’t think I’ve ever seen it on sale, except the occasional package that’s about to reach its sell by date and gets marked down by 25%. Leaving it still close to $3.00.

[@jsloen5946]

Check out large bulk chubbs at Walmart

[@splatterdaynightmares]

lucky. it’s 6.99 for 80/20 here in california although safeway does have great sales. anything grass fed though, forget it on my budget.

[@sarasayshi]

I agree. Even at the Grocery Outlet, it’s priced at $4-5/pound.

[@donnacollura5411]

Hi, Thank you for this podcast. I am a type 2 diabetic and also Insulin Resistant. I've been struggling to find a diet that will work for me. My question is that I've been told that eating too much protein breaks down into sugar which is sometimes why my sugar rises after an already low carb meal. Is this true, does a higher protein diet break down into sugar? Would like to try the PE Diet but concerned. Thanks for any guidance. Donna

[@randyalanjones]

I can only tell you my experience. I lost 230 pounds on low carb/Keto and OMAD. I wanted to lose a little more weight to get where I wanted to be. I upped my protein and monitored weight and blood sugar. For me my blood sugar went up about 20 points consistently all day long and I was more hungry. I gained weight and I had reflux some nights. For me I did not have success with his way of eating such high amounts of protein. I have been doing this a long time but I continue to try to test and tweak.

[@donnacollura5411]

@@randyalanjones Thanks Randy for your honest response. I've been struggling for quite a while now. I did Keto for almost 2 years. I did lose a good amount of weight and sugars went down but then stopped suddenly and started going in the wrong direction in weight, lab work and frustration has now set in. It seems no matter what I try, the weight won't move and sugars seem to be going up instead of down. My doctor wants me on Ozempic even though I barely eat enough now. Not a fan of pills and medicines if I can do it on my own through diet and exercise.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Once glycogen stores are depleted the body up-regulates fat metabolism and Ketosis. Also gluconeogenesis, which mainly converts the glycerol backbone from fats to make glucose. The process can also use most amino acids to accomplish the same. This will used to control BGL and feed red blood cells. Excess can be stored to replenish the liver and muscles.

[@splatterdaynightmares]

@@donnacollura5411 Keto/low carb/etc is a way of life and not just a diet. You can’t ever. go off of it although you might be able to adjust some of the numbers.

[@shellstarz6]

Really informative thank you 👍👍

[@kathleenjones8466]

I know this is an older post, but I am really struggling. I did High fat keto and lost about 60 pounds in 6 months and then just like Ted Naimen says, I stalled. I purchased the beautiful coffee table book and was fascinated by the idea of upping my protein. I have 20-30 pounds to go. Dr Fung says to keep protein low ( around 41 gr for my weight 170lbs.) He says you need to stay this low if you want to catabolize the protein in loose skin while fasting. Nobody wants loose skin. I think this is too low, but I am going around in circles. Perhaps I have answered my own questions and will aim for a middle ground and see what happens

[@ManchoManchev]

At the end of the day the amount of calories you ingest matter. You need a calorie deficit to continue to lose weight. So, replacing some of the fats with proteins on keto absolutely makes sense but you also decrease the calories and that's what makes you lose it. Fat is very calorie dense. Also when your body weight reduces so do your calorie needs to sustain or lose additional weight. Unfortunately there's no escaping that. 😂

[@karenlatham4053]

If eating soy beans what about the phytoestrogen? Is that not bad for you? I thought it was bad for you?

[@robinbeers6689]

Yes, that is bad for you. Don't eat soy.

[@barbtullos3909]

Soy is very inflammatory for your body. DONT eat soy!

[@BradleyADavis]

Ted is straight up OG diet guru. He knows what is up.

[@tomaszkowalski6500]

And what about lectins from plants. Good protein for you?

[@alantyth]

Awesome video. Thanks to both.

[@sherl7435]

I stumbled across the Diet Doctor podcast recently and find it interesting, especially everything Dr. Naiman is saying. I have plateau on OMAD/Ketogenic after 6 months with 10lbs to go and will give this technique a try. However, been reading the Plant Paradox book and research says people in the Blue zone live much longer and are centurions - they eat mostly plant proteins and higher fat. So I will need to research if this high meat protein strategy is healthy long term for the heart, arteries and body.

[@dietdoctor]

You may find this interesting. www.dietdoctor.com/longevity-lessons-from-the-blue-and-unblue-zones

[@sherl7435]

@@dietdoctor Bless you, thank you! I love your channel and so thankful I found it.

[@RobertaPeck]

I never got to ideal body fat percentage on a Vegan diet too many " healthy carbs" like oatmeal; only to learn that I had the same problem with Keto - too many "healthy" fats. So boy does this info make sense!!!

Great interview! I am not for cyclical keto /or carb cycling (because I feel much better in ketosis than in glucosis!😊) but much better for me from my experience is cyclical fat/protein ratio with low carb income. It depends on daily activities and the need to lose the fat or to gain the muscles.😉

[@itisfinshedpsalm9183]

Just as of recently I find it mind boggling of how difficult people/doctors make eating out to be. We as humans know what should be eaten to be healthy. Plain and simple we don't want to. We want to fit the "good stuff" in our meals. That's the stuff slowly killing us.

[@gkimunge]

Unlike animals, our eating is entwined with social aspects and hence the need to enjoy our food. The food industry has taken advantage of that to make food highly enjoyable and addictive.

[@yanostropicalparadise755]

ive experienced the same thing in the timeline, first calorie restriction, then low fat, then keto then carnivore now im zero carb low fat extremely high protein.

[@rafikcheraitia3957]

Been keto for two years and transitioned to carnivore but didnt seem to work with me.. put on weight, protein makes me bloated and constipated.

[@yanostropicalparadise755]

@@rafikcheraitia3957 what proteins did you eat? did you eat other things with your proteins? how much fat were you eating? were you fat at the time? constipation is normal in the first few weeks as your body adjust to the new diet.

[@rafikcheraitia3957]

@@yanostropicalparadise755 I was 96kg when i started keto and was down to 82kg in 6months. But then i noticed i had to increase protein for muscles and everytime i did that i felt was out of ketosis. The fear of regaining weight made me hesitant to go for more protein. Then i got rid of all carbs and ate only fat and protein for a while. Transition was hard and had to reinclude carbs sometimes. Then gone carnivore three times eating beef cooked in butter and olive oil for my first meal and scrambled eggs and sometimes chicken for my second. I think my beef quantity was small and because i have hashimoto's i collapsed down the second week because of it. So much stress and cortisole with no sleep at night. Had to break diet and include carbs to restart. I have only tried carnivore three times and each time ended in the second week of it. Two weeks in were enough to make me feel fat and bloated i thinks was due to cortisol. Still want to try it though.

[@yanostropicalparadise755]

@@rafikcheraitia3957 sounds like you were eating to much fat. when you increase protein you should decrees the fat, you also have to make sure you eat a lot of salt grill the beef or pan sear it only add a dab of butter to wet the pan. make sure the meat isn't full of fat. salt it before cooking salt it again after to taste. eggs are good but don't ever eat them. when you eat chicken eat the legs, f you eat carbs do it hours before or after a meal, try never to eat fat with carbs. it will cause instant fat gain. the best cuts are lean sirloin, flat iron steaks, tenderloin, ribeye is o fatty or 90/10 ground beef.

[@rafikcheraitia3957]

@@yanostropicalparadise755 if i cut on fat then how do I get energy? Especially that i train three times a week.

[@michaelstearns3231]

Realy great podcast...ive learned a lot..thank you both..❤

[@darkfieldcarnivore3928]

Exogenous carbohydrates are NOT essential at all. Unless your insulin is abnormally raised, starvation mode only occurs when fat stores are depleted.

[@kellytrosper2020]

Has he had a calcium heart scan or anything like that to ensure heart disease isn't quietly progressing, etc?

[@krizpz]

Ted naiman is a genius.

[@sportysbusiness]

Fibre makes me feel full but comes with gas and bloating. I'll stick with steak, eggs and butter for my satiety LOL!

[@Meritumas]

Excellent! I am doing exactly the same. Good luck!

[@perrysebastian6928]

My understanding is that egg protein is the most bioavailable (48%), but in order to get the full protein, you need the mix of ammino acids that gives the full bioavailability from BOTH the yolk and whites. I don't get the point of eating egg whites. Seems a bit useless

[@Cam-sl8ve]

Yeah just eat the whole egg.

[@roywalker7512]

Protein power, Drs Eades wrote the book back in the 90's.

[@livincincy4498]

For so many doing Low Carb eating including Keto, Zero Carb, Carnivore, etc. this is important information. So many stall at 50-60-70% of needed weight loss and stop. Many also sit and can't loose weight eating as much as they can. Many are doing 80%+ fat and never more than 20% Protein. It is not always understood that eating like a thin, active, fit, metabolic healthy, etc. person will make a person on the other end of scale healthy. When you have little body fat you have to eat more energy. This is why eat like me is not a good dogma. JImmie Moore has been doing Keto for so long but has not yet found success. He is an example of Keto Macros not working to take him to the finish line. He clearly has been dogmatic and is a zealot.

[@hopefulforhumanity5625]

Jimmy Moore tried more lean protein and lower fat but felt terrible. Maybe he tried too extreme of a change. Little by little dial up protein and eat less fat. But don't eat too lean every single day of the week. It's really hard for some people to become lean.

[@Christine-xs2of]

A hugh fan of Ted

[@brucepahl]

I would definitely not recommending buying a dozen eggs for $0.99. that would be the poorest quality grain-fed chicken and not pasture-raised.

[@senorkurt]

I tried to find some research saying blood sugar spikes are ok but couldn't. Does anyone have a link to research showing blood sugar spikes are ok? Also, I am able to keep my blood sugars below 100 on a high fat, low carb diet and fasting, except after a meal where I try to never see my sugars spike above 130. The fat might be keeping glucose in my blood stream, but at a level below prediabetes and certainly lower than when I eat carbs. Also with high intensity exercise there is this: "Although blood sugars may be higher initially, studies have shown that intense exercise increases insulin sensitivity and glucose uptake by the body’s cells." I don't think that spiking your blood sugars by eating carbs has the same effect, but if there is research showing it I am certainly open to it. I also tried to find research on the difference in fat cell vs muscle cell insulin sensitivity timing but am coming up with a blank. Does anyone have links for this?

[@kellyburek1751]

Excellent video! Great information!

[@ames2]

For low carb vs low fat can’t you keep protein at about 30% and just play around with the percentage of carbs and fats depending on which diet you are on?

[@lisabanner5125]

100% Agree on the protein. I did carnivore, ate what I wanted protein/fat and initially lost weight but then as I continued, weight came back and then some. Switched to lean protein super low fat, 0 carbs and lost the weight and then some and can maintain so much better now. I eat 120 grams to 200 grams of protein a day at 5'1" 112 lbs. 62 years old. Wish I would have known all this when I was younger but now I feel younger.

[@wesleygaitan]

How do you eat that much protein? As a male 5 9 160 lbs I can't fit more than 100g

[@lisabanner5125]

@@wesleygaitan lots of shrimp, gosh , egg whites and protein powder. Depends on hunger . Some days it’s 100 other days 200. It’s crazy I know but I guess it’s what my body needs.

[@jerseyjim9092]

To get the calories from lean proteins I find I either have to eat way too much protein (over 150grams) or add carbs.