The Precursor Of The Primarchs - 40K Theories

Could the mysterious being known as The Angel be the prototype behind The Emperor's Primarch Project?
Additional Narration by Stephanie Swan Quills
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Featuring Randolph Carter as The Emperor
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[@Brutalyte616]

Emperor: *"I originally wanted all of my sons to have their own sets of wings, but it lead to a lot of complications, and when Malcador convinced me of how ridiculous the idea of flying wolves actually was, I decided to scrap the idea and left the genes for them dormant. Needless to say, I was quite surprised, and worried, when I found out Sanguinius had wings. Thankfully, it wasn't as bad as it could have been, and Sanguinius proved himself as one of my greatest and most noble sons, although things kind of went to shit after he died."*

[@Lazarus1095]

Is that from If the Emperor Had a Text-To-Speech Device?

[@Brutalyte616]

@@Lazarus1095 That's the tone I was going for, but no.

[@Aliexster]

MALCADOR WAS A FOOL!!!!!!!! Flying puppers would be one of the most adorable things ever!

[@migukmoonpark4312]

Malcador also wants them to have vaginas, so that's that.

[@cogline9]

@@migukmoonpark4312 I suspect that instead of half of them turning on Big E they all would have basically killed each other. XD

[@julianholler7505]

Why the Angel went nuts Mission: destroy chaos - - >chaos is fueld by the emotions of living beings mainly humans - - > kill humans.

[@kermitthefrog2578]

I mean, it makes sense.

[@complex314i]

This is why AI can't be developed. An abominable intelligence will have this exact line of reasoning and try to destroy the race that created it.

[@Doku71]

@@complex314i well, last I recall of the 7 AI that have been allowed to continue existing, 6 are in line with that, while 1 wants to experience being human.

[@eltonjohntubola3212]

@@draxthemsklonst Fucckk you

[@MajinOthinus]

@@eltonjohntubola3212 Now now, just because he's potentially condemned you to eternal torture, that's no way to address a fellow helper on the way to create it.

[@StylesV13]

Sounds like the Angel had many of the Primarch's abilities and thus went nuts. Sanguinius' wings, Konrad Curze's need judge people, Lorgar's need to worship the Emperor and the anger of Angron. Not to mention the ability to see into the future/alternative futures. Maybe the Emperor learned that he can't put all his traits into one being.

[@aaronbiduk813]

Just to point out that the angron we know isnt the real angron due to the butchers nails Therfore its might not be his anger for all we know he is a master smooth talker

[@spartana1116]

Do each primarch is a fragment of the emperors and represent each his genetics

[@theadtheogrekiller5629]

StylesV13 to be fair remember a certain chapter that loves crusades are Rogal Dorns sons

[@Leptospirosi]

@@spartana1116 may be they were actually fragments of this "angel": considering what a mess the primarchs were, just put all together in a single dude and see how nuts he can go.

[@liberator101]

@@aaronbiduk813 even without Butchers Nails, His Legion the Blood Hounds as they were called before being renamed to The World Eaters were considered to be very violent. Angron's leadership and a smaller version of Buchers Nails just made it more domminant.

[@weldonwin]

Emperor: I hate religion and don't want people to worship anything and certainly not think that I'm a God. I know! I'll make a giant being, with gleaming white wings and radiating golden light, give it a big flaming sword and call it an Angel, then have it fight Daemons for me. GENIUS! That'll show mankind I'm totally not a God and shouldn't be worshiped. Now, where's Malcador? I need to ask him about how my own flaming sword is coming along and that new Golden armor, that TOTALLY won't make me look like a God to people...

[@proffesionalidiot5994]

weldonwin I mean...your not wrong. That was probably his thought process.

[@andrewsuryali8540]

Well, to be fair, in Empy's mind he probably did think that showing people a mythical being from outdated belief systems could be CREATED with human science would be evidence against divinity. "Look everyone! I just had my techies make this angel in that tank back there. Now you can see that science and the Imperial Truth trumps foolish superstition." The problem is that everyone else just saw a god literally create his angel.

[@Robb1977]

@@andrewsuryali8540 I really think that makes the most sense if you view his doctrine as sound but he never really seems to make this point. It just seems like he was a guy who didnt like religion but liked its aesthetics so much he just copied them without thinking.

[@Jawzah]

You simply need to believe in the imperial truth that the Emperor protects - no religion involved - even if he protects by creating beings with wings called angels or some such thing.

[@rosswilson1915]

Heresy

[@sanguiniusonvacation1803]

" I HAVE ANOTHER FLYING BIG BROTHER?!"

[@shdwfx40001]

*IKR?* WHAT THE FUCK DAD?

[@connorc6293]

KACHIGGA????

[@Matt-md5yt]

funny, now that Mort became a Choas Primarch. he has rotting wings

[@phreakazoith2237]

and my flying brother was perfect, perfect in every way!

[@jackmakila3776]

You HAD a brother

[@KainMcnab]

So the future Sanguinius saw about him becoming even worse than Horus wasn't actually him, it was this proto-primarch. (maybe)

[@scottdodge6979]

Interesting theory, I never considered that. The question is why? Did the chaos gods seek to have him chase his own death as he was possibly meant to be the emperors heir?

[@dukedevlan5457]

@@scottdodge6979 tzeench gots a sense of humor

[@akiramasashi9317]

If The Angel was indeed made with massive wings it would lend credence to the theory that Sanguinius was also designed with wings and was not a product of random mutation.

[@the_dropbear4392]

I'm sure he was. I don't think growing huge wings and being able to fly was a random mutation

[@shdwfx40001]

That fucking kiss ass...sure he gets to fly but I can't get ALL THE GUNS?!?!

[@jamescawl6904]

@@shdwfx40001 Shut up not friend brain ghost!!

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

I thought Sanguinius' wings' were some sort of tzeench dickery tbh

[@StevetheWizard2591]

No amount of background radiation can cause someone to mutate wings unless they already had some genetic predisposition to growing wings.

[@drcoolarmstrong8688]

i think a video about some of the cursed relics imprisoned by the space marine chapters would be interesting

[@poodlescone9700]

Like what was sealed beneath Titan that requires Grey Knights purifiers to keep it contained.

[@insertedgynamehere]

So, a blood ravens video

[@gloriousmongoose]

Seems like The Angel was pretty much a Thunder Warrior version of the Primarchs; utterly loyal, incorruptible, magnitudes more powerful than their replacement...and completely, ball-breakingly insane. Trade that raw strength for the ability to actually function like a normal person...well in theory given what happened but close enough I guess.

[@unknowncommenter6698]

Thunder Warriors had their own Primarchs who were just chosen dudes who led others into battle.

[@th3oryO]

​@Mal Theri that's what GW called them. Stupid right?

[@clonetf141]

​@Mal Theri they were given the honourific of primarch, as a title, to show they were in charge

[@unknowncommenter6698]

@stroked sigismund yes, that's exactly what I meant by "chosen dudes", aka they're just like other TW but with title

[@Colonel_Jurten]

​@@unknowncommenter6698 well to be fair chapter masters are "regular Space Marines" since it's just a title. But we can all agree that tyberos is 100% NOT NORMAL. so there probably just veterans

[@acazenha4207]

The Terminus Decree (Grey Knights) could be the order to release this "Angel"

[@codyclark6779]

Oh snaps. Didn't even think of this as a possibility, it could definitely be the case.

[@codyclark6779]

@patrick howard well given how insanely over powered this proto primarch is it would act as the Imperiums ace in the hole. Basically a almost unstoppable juggernaut of destruction against xenos and chaos.

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

Only If Father Wants him to be Release So no But i would gladly Release him

[@codyclark6779]

@@Robouteguilliman-t7o Does your dad know about the whole Secundus thing????

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

@@codyclark6779 I do not Know But Uncle Malcador suspect me

[@namekman01]

another theory that could be tacked on to this video: the angel dreaming of purity creates a warp presence, and human souls in the warp it finds worthy get reincarnated into saints, rather than being made by the emperor directly

[@helloyes2288]

that's a cool theory

[@mikehoffman746]

I was thinking the same thing, like the amount of time and the potency of his dreams turn out to be a unforeseen benefit to the emperor or humanity.

[@Abyssal86]

Finally a video on Sly Marbo!

[@Arphemius]

Aaaaaaaaahhhh!!!

[@matthewbrune5490]

nah, it's more like *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*

[@poodlescone9700]

Sly Marbo only kills filthy xenos and those traitorous followers of chaos. He would not kill innocents like a crazy person.

[@kybercat7]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[@dtgbulletproof]

@@poodlescone9700 No innocents in 40k, just different levels of fucked up

[@internetzenmaster8952]

A 'proto-primarch'? That smells like some serious heresy Inquisitor. Also, I think we know where Sanguinius got his wings from now...

[@Matt-md5yt]

Yep

[@Thatorkcaptin]

That is why we are here

[@SpectralArrow]

Yes to all of it

[@DicePunk]

Loved this video. A sound theory with strong evidence. Also: Emps has a bad track record of creating uncontrollable experiments. There. I said it. Come at me, Inquisition.

[@matics453]

There is no place for those in the Imperium who doubt the Emperor. Prepare to die HERETIC *[BLAM]*

[@WastelandSeven]

You're right though. And even when they aren't uncontrolled, they don't quite turn out right. Seriously, Big E made a huge mess of things. Every caste system (which is what the Imperium is) has had sons try and take their father's thrones. And these were sons who were actually flesh and blood of their fathers and grew up with them and their mother. Not vat grown. You don't bond much being vat grown. So, anyone with a cursory grasp of human history would have seen the Horus Heresy coming. Plus, human history also shows what happens when you concentrate civil power in too few hands. You get a system where the people at the top grow increasingly paranoid and repressive of the people at the bottom until the system corrects itself. Usually through revolution or collapse.Again, you can see this stuff coming a lightyear off. Plus removing all religion almost guaranteed big E would be worshiped. The whole thing is a comedy of errors.

[@matics453]

Wasteland Or what if Big E had planed all of this? The removal of religion , the Horus heresy. We do know that Big E is an extremely power psyker, so could he not have seen the Horus heresy coming or even if he didn't use his psyke to see the future , he must have had known what would happen in this caste system ( the son overthrow the father). I guess what I am trying to say here is that what if Everything Is Going As *Planed* By Big E ?

[@arnantphongsatha7906]

@@matics453 Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker

[@alyseleem2692]

@@matics453 In short:if he did,Tzeentch would be too proud to do anything. He isn't.

[@salamut2202]

You show great dedication, contracting strep throat just to pronounce demonic names

[@mitterhuberb6095]

First Prototype: wipes multiple cities off the map and deems everyone unworthy of the emperors love and thus unworthy of life itself. Emperor: oh shoot, guess i have to fix this shit now.... Goes on to build 20 more with only a few tweaks in their genes..... And it worked out juuuuust fine^^

[@darkphantom3576]

With how crazy powerful this angel is, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a direct clone of the Emperor, but without tens of thousands of years of practice with its insane levels of power, it went a little crazy, hence the Emperor making multiple primarchs that all held some but not all of his traits. I now want Fabius Bile to succeed in cloning the emperor and ending up with another of these angels and it proceeding to rip and tear its way through the warp, or the emperor to die, only to come back in this backup body he has stored away.

[@eu.co.5627]

So the Angel is to the primarchs what the the thunder warriors are to the space marines ?

[@RyoKasai25]

More powerful, but more unstable and batshit crazy.

[@SIyMarbo]

RyoKasai25 who knows he might not have been crazy but right and casted away for being to rash hasty

[@liberator101]

Pretty much

[@darkblood626]

Now that is a scary thought

[@Audiotrocious]

It obviously was Kitten from Text to Speech because he says his mother was a tube and he was born in Mount Everest XD

[@crypto1223]

Nicholas Squires Good joke. But all of the Costodes were made that way. It is so far unheard of where Costodes get recruits, if they do that at all. If that is wrong, I will gladly retract my statement.

[@gruffen4]

@@crypto1223 custodes do age out (mentally anyway), and can be killed. they would need some way to keep the numbers up

[@marcospindola8078]

@@crypto1223 Yeah. No, all Custodes were recruited from Terra before the Thunder Warriors were around and genetically enhanced far beyond an Astartes but below a Primarch.

[@molliethomas2585]

MOM EVEREST!!!!!!

[@Audiotrocious]

crypto1223 I was led to believe they were the descendants of the leaders who opposed the Emperor back on Terra. Kind of like, your sons are mine and you will lack any heirs so your dynasty will die.

[@aunderiskerensky2304]

emps: "Im gonna make me a super powerful mini me to kick ass and take names" emps 20 mins later "TOO MUCH SECRET SAUCE TOOOOO MUCH"

[@feldgray]

I got a wacky theory for you. Malcador is actually the emperor and what we know of as the emperor is the protoprimarch.

[@XmortoxX1990]

So, the emperor is dead.... Kek :V

[@the_dropbear4392]

we know from people like olly who met the emperor back in ancient days, that thats not true

[@whistlerwade]

I like it.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

Andrew Harper Malchador. Is the human aspect of big e?

[@jamesbenedict7516]

Heresy!!

[@robertjenkins2612]

I think the Angel is connected to both theories you mentioned. He was the proto-type primarch and as the Emperor's favorite son the Emperor in his deep sleep upon the golden throne manifests his will and power in the living Saints which act as the emperor's "Demons".

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

And the Emperor should have told Guilliman and the Lion about their Eldest Brother, as well as put some warning if they try to release him

[@christianmoralesortiz4688]

That's exactly what I'm thinking!!!!

[@Rakanarshi2]

lol Primarch zero. I kind of get an anime vibe from that.

[@Griffolion0]

*teleports behind Fulgrim* Nothing personal, kid. *NANI*

[@MasoTrumoi]

@@Griffolion0 personnel*

[@Griffolion0]

@@MasoTrumoi Unless you're missing a /s tag, personnel is a term to describe a group of people of a particular organization. Personal is a term to describe something relating to specifically a particular person.

[@absalomdraconis]

@@Griffolion0 : Though it _could_ also work in a Legion vs Angel sense. "Victory isn't about numbers, kid."

[@keanueraine]

Sounds like Harem gold to me. Set it at a Highschool for Primarchs and shenanigans unfold. Kinda male heavy, but that's in with SJW crowd so whatevs.....

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

The Angel? WHAT THE HELL!!???? Brothers we need to find our Big brother he is maybe the key to defeat chaos!!

[@WastelandSeven]

(or kill you all)

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

As long as he knows that we are Loyal he will going to join us

[@NexionSE]

@@WastelandSeven once chaos is finally defeated death is irrelevant the soul will eventually return to the material

[@lynnusuk2092]

If he’s as strong as the video implies where he contains the psychic potential to create someone like magnus, he doesn’t need to kill anyone just mind bullet them until their souls are no more like how Horus turn out

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

@Roboute Guilliman The Fck who you are? No you are Alperius i know it!! I'am the Real Smurf Lord! not you

[@Lwilibert]

I have never consumed so much info about a product. I love the 40k universe to the point where im considering creating a MUGEN game with the primarchs fighting each other... the fun fact is that i have never in my life been in contact with a single 40k miniature... stupid foreign purchase taxes and inflation makes the hobby totally out of reach. I love this channel

[@PollysPokePicks]

You totally dont need the miniatures.

[@smokejaguar986]

How's that Mugen port

[@danielgarza1209]

-Emperor: Finally, I am reunited with my son, Sigmar. I shall give you a legion to spread my word and abolish all religion. -Sigmar: Woah Dad, the humans down there worship ME as a god, I don't want to stop that. -Emperor: *silence* -Sigmar: *silence* -Emperor: *Furiously tips fedora and slams exterminatus button while slashing his son to bits* -Emperor: Whelp, time to start again. That is my theory. Edit: Holy Shit, thanks for the likes.

[@axelNodvon2047]

You must have meant The Emperor tipped his GOLDEN FEDORA

[@bobmilaplace3816]

Maybe Sigmar said "Pa, you have a flaming, daemonkilling sword, covered with golden holy light, immortal and the four call you the Anathema. I say save Isha and have babies the old fashioned way." You said only Eldar can take the Big E without literal exploding climaxes.

[@hang_kentang6709]

@@bobmilaplace3816 and with that, sigmar and his world are no more.

[@jamescawl6904]

@@hang_kentang6709 The Warhammer fantasy Endtimes explained in a nutshell.

[@absalomdraconis]

@@bobmilaplace3816 : Who said that, the Dino-quisitor hisself? Because if anyone was going to literally _explode_ from a climax, my guesses would be, in order: 1) Slanesh (fortunately the Emperor has -less disgusting- more tasteful ways of disposing of that), and 2) the Eldar. Still, I guess maybe Isha would survive?

[@schwegburt3002]

I favor the idea that the Primarchs are mass produced versions of the Angel. Instead of having all of the Angel's traits, the Emperor only gave the Primarchs portions of the Angel's nature. That way they could be specialized enough for each of their tasks (Horus Heresy books routinely imply each Primarch had a specific role) But also built in a way that they could be dealt with in a more manageable way since they wouldn't have everything.

[@BurnCorpoMedia79]

I am getting wing zero vibes here...

[@daverage4729]

"The emperor reduced their power to make the primarchs more controllable"... Yup! That worked out perfectly Emps.

[@bignasty4874]

I made them all weaker, and more susceptible to suggestion so as not to be as independent. I also gave them command of an entire legion of their respective mini-mes, legions upon legions of Imperial Guardsmen, an entire fleet geared for extended galactic conquest expeditions along with all the support craft and personell required, a name, a fuel card, a packed lunch, and I hid a can of Fix-a-flat in the "Operator's Manual" storage room of every flagship. They'll be so busy running their fleets and legions, they won't have any time to misbehave. Not as effective, but the best "babysitting" tool I've come up with since the "VCR".

[@JOhnDoe-nl4wj]

"my favorite son" so there is at least one more son prior to the primarchs.

[@MetalRhino42]

"What do you think?" I think gw need to freaking start answering some good questions about their lore

[@WorldsWorstJinx]

They wouldn't do it

[@JoeMFTorres]

“Primarch” of the thunder warriors perhaps?

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

That's possible since they are the Proto-astardes

[@PhantorumPrime117]

@@Robouteguilliman-t7o especially considering how both of them went crazy

[@messihr]

I wonder then if The Angel was ostensibly Primarch Zero if that means that his Gene Seed might have been the basis for the Thunder Warriors? Seeing as how the Thunder Warriors are proto Astartes, though more unstable and violent perhaps those traits were inherited flaws, rather than programmed features or unforeseen errors on the part of Big E.

[@noneofyourbusiness2437]

No. The thunder warriors were created through a completely separate process entirely. It involved a lot more psyker stuff from the Emperor himself, if I'm not mistaken.

[@noneofyourbusiness2437]

I have to wonder what the Imperium would think of "The Angel" if it were to have been released before Robute Gulliman was brought back. I for one certainly think the Ecclesiarchy and Inquisition would absolutely LOVE him. I mean really, his behaviour matches them to a fricking T! Hell, he's pretty much exactly like what I'm almost _certain_ the Ecclesiarchy preach about the Primarchs in general! In all honesty, he was just born (made) a few thousand years too early. He'd be viewed as indispensable by the current Imperium, I'm sure. Well... the Imperium just before Gulliman's return anyways.

[@eliwright7281]

I absolutely love how all of your videos sound like a historical documentary. I listen at work and it just make the day fly by 🤘

[@lolzhammer8281]

Given everything we know about them, I'm partial to the Primarch Zero theory. Johnson's choice of moniker and heraldry for his chapter could well be the result of a genetic memory of his "elder brother" gained from the Emperor himself. Or possibly the result of unintended psychic influence from the Emperor, either during his creation, or at the events of his reunion and the founding of his chapter. A sort of unconscious wish to have seen The Angel take that sort of step along the path of carrying out his father's campaign... Think of it like a father who can't help thinking of his deceased elder child while watching his younger child graduate, or get married. In the case of a psyker on the power level of the Emperor, such a combination of a painful loss and witnessing the first triumphs of another of his children could create some pretty powerful and subtle ripples in the local psychic "landscape".

[@777wrath]

Emperor: Dont worship me Also the Emperor: *Makes a fucking angel to serve him*

[@H240909]

Wasn’t there also that quote from the Fall of Cadia that described Celestine as the heir to an abandoned legacy or something like that?

[@TherealSBlair]

Learned something new. Never heard of this Angel before. Awesome. Thanks.

[@PhantorumPrime117]

Me neither

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Also that image is literally half Sanguinius half Horus and I love it

[@jtfbreedlove]

Alternatively The Angel could be the Emperor's only naturally sired blood offspring, which raises the question who could his mother have been.

[@the_dropbear4392]

no his offspring are the sensei

[@licensed_beheader]

A test tube could be the proto primarchs mother . The sensei are tzeentch made heretics made to believe they are the emperor's spawns (according to inquisition)

[@shdwfx40001]

...I got a big brother? I hate him...

[@julieanusman011]

Lol

[@Matt-md5yt]

I am friends with your Sons Sir, they miss you dearly.

[@shdwfx40001]

@Zanard Bell ...too soon...*(sob)*

[@shdwfx40001]

@@Matt-md5yt did they finally read my diary and stop replacing perfectly healthy organs with tobot bits? Seriously if i find one guy with a melta gun for a penis imma lose it!

[@shdwfx40001]

@@edge4494 horus and Leman and I are identical twins and you know it! Them being found first doesn't mean anything especially when they made fun of my hands. They were just jealous about my strength! I'm not sore about it!

[@rykehuss3435]

Literally the only video about this subject. Like 99% of the 40k channel creators dont know that there was this proto-primarch. The true first primarch.

[@DG9-q6f]

I could not help noticing how when the Angel went nuts he somehow managed to combine the worst character traits of several (if not all) of his brothers: obsession with perfection (Fulgrim), religious fervor (Lorgar), bloodthirstiness (Agron), farther insecurities (Horus), etc. It's just like with wings and and warp proficieny: where other brothers have one trait, he displays them all (or at least many). P. S.: IMHO, the living saints are most likely to be creatures made possible through massive warp emanations of Imperial Creed cultists and possible support of Emperor's current warp form (whatever is the best way to define it); since neither factors were present during the Angel's activity, I'd place his connection to saints very doubtful and the "zero Primarch" theory much more likely.

[@julieanusman011]

Do more primarch quotes! The one’s that didn’t get quoted in the first vid pls.

[@robertnelson9599]

Yeah

[@nickpetersen8973]

We need a quote From the Khan of Khans!

[@erikdreki4726]

I thought this video was going to be about that thing found during the Cursed Founding, but this was way more interesting. I've never even heard of this guy, is there more to his story?

[@40KTheories]

There isn't too much, but what does exist is within the Inquisitor: Conspiracies book "Death of an Angel"

[@erikdreki4726]

@@40KTheories I guess I had better read that one to find out what happened to him, hopefully G.W. didn't just shelve & forget this plot thread

[@akumaking1]

@@40KTheories I wonder how Guilliman will react to his older half-brother

[@scrabbly6890]

What if the Angel is linked to the Terminus Decree? What if it isn’t supposed to kill the emperor, but rather to reawaken the Angel? A purifying force at the darkest, Final point in which humanity may need it most.

[@adamvanhoozer8149]

One thing that is important to note is that when the warp tear was created by the chaos gods it had direct affects on each of the primarch's. This is noted in a conversation between Mortarion and Malcador when Malcador reflects on the "venom" within Mortarion that changed him so much from the emperors true intention.

[@averagedemocrat9546]

Guiliman was only one not effected.

[@baileytuttiett3173]

If the angel had not gone batshit crazy and had stayed active, do you think he would have gotten a legion? And if so, what do you think their colour scheme an insignia would have been?

[@xuttuh5260]

I think his legion still exists. The custodes.

[@tengizoniani5029]

​​​@@xuttuh5260od assumption, but I would say Custodes are BiG E.'s legion while Angels could be purged Thunder Warriors. Maintains both power balance and their fate Emperor > Angel > Primarchs, Custodes > Thunder Warrior > Astartes.

[@dukedevlan5457]

Honestly i think he would fit with the grey knights

[@VanGeo1]

"The Angel" is actually the "Doom Slayer" from the Doom franchise. 1. If there is a demon/daemon anywhere within his sensing range, he is going to bee-line it for that demon to kill it as brutally as he can 2. his desire for killing demons is so strong, he causes more damage than he fixes. Like The Angel wiping out populations due to RISKING demon corruption, compared to Doom Slayer completely and utterly destroying a galactic energy network, probably killing billions, because it was connected to the demons of hell/the warp. And its repeatedly humans opening up Hell portals/Warp rifts, not the daemons. 3. the only known way to stop him is to trap him in some kind of warded coffin, using a demon/daemon as bait. 4. The Doom Slayer was said to have been "blessed" by the "Seraphim" which granted him enhanced strength, speed, and durability. It also allowed him to enter Hell "as only demons had done before". Seraphim is just a title the Emperor went by before he became the Emperor. And the description closely mirrors that of a Living Saint. He probably just doesnt glow gold / have wings yet due to the Emperor himself not being that powerful yet. 5. The Doom Slayer's armor basically is an anathema to the demons of hell. Despite having been made by a demon that was said to have "been loyal to its evil cause" even when making it. Aka. It tryed to make the armor drain the Doom Slayer's soul, but instead the reverse happened. 6. The events of Doom (2016) actually lay the seeds that would grow into the later Mechanicum. The UAC made Mars into the technological hub of humanity's galactic empire. Dr. Hayden himself is pretty much the pinnacle of what tech-priests seek to become. And the later levels of Doom (2016) also set up a later conflict between Dr. Hayden and the A.I. he created, laying the foundation for the cybernetic revolt.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

Not to shabby. Thx for the theory. Totally behind this one.

[@racspartan1]

Cool Theory and I like the Crossover. 👍

[@michaelolmos8257]

even if there may never be a a mother-bitchen crossover video game centered around that theory. then someone MUST write a kick-ass holy mother of badassatude fanfiction

[@antodiyo7523]

All of this set in dark age of technology

[@theenderdestruction2362]

Here's the thing though 1. doomslayer actually likes mankind sure he ain't going to go save a few people but that's only because hells LITTERLY INVADING so he wouldn't actually want to kill everyone on the planet for simply, possible, maybe, opening a portal to hell. 2. he also was taught in another dimension with beings that are pretty much gods in their own right and they later became batteries themself. 3. The slayer is human size not what ever size the angel would be so that's out of the question, 4. Yes the energy network might have worked but the slayer is BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD he is literally older then emperor because he came from an entirely different dimension and most of that time was fighting the demons he understood hell better then pretty much anyone else besides dagon who is the CREATOR OF THE MULTIVERSE. 5. The slayer is still technically human but with some of the creators own blood rushing through him also the A.I. is actually the father and Samuel is the seraphim 6. Yes I do know at the time none of this was known really but now we do and I wanted to see if you even remember this post or not also just wanted to add my two cents in here

[@NoInfoAvail]

I was literally just thinking of this idea the other day. Excellent timing, and another Excellent Video!

[@redpanda5087]

It would stand to reason that "The Angel" could infact be both the emperors first attempt at a primarch And a prototype living Saint at the same time. If the Emperor spent thousands of years in the warp and got a lot of his power there by in someway interacting with the chaos gods, It wouldn't be to farfetched to theorise that the Emperors first attempt at a superior beinging to help him rule over his new imperium would be a greater daemon formed from his own psychic powers in much the same way that the chaos gods create theirs. A Greater Daemon of Anathema if you like. This would make logical sense too as to it's ultimate failure and lead to the creation of the Primarchs. Big E uses his new found warp powers to create a living embodiment of his will to bring order and destroy chaos completely>Angel boy eventually comes to the conclusion that men are a major battery pack for chaos>Angel who is not a human and has no reason to love flawed humanity decides best way to achieve the drive that makes up his entire existence is to purge walking chaos battery packs from the universe one planet at a time and gets to genociding> Big E is unable to control his psychic creation because despite being a crazy powerful psychic he is still technically a material being and has range limit on his signal> Big E locks his first Daemon away and realises that his next attempt should probably be of the Material realm and human so it has more skin in the game and so creates his new fleshy sons to help him rule his fleshy empire and calls them Primarchs. This would also explain Angel boy's similarities to living saints at the same time.

[@christianmoralesortiz4688]

Well said!!! That's what I was thinking as well!!!

[@jakerooke174]

So an imperial belekor

[@theANNOYINGcomment]

i've been into 40k for more than a decade but never heard of this :o

[@Leptospirosi]

Releasing this dude in the 41 millennium would prove for "interesting times" like Confucius said

[@mikew3758]

I like the living Saint idea! It even makes sense, I think it was in "the dreamer" bit of the gathering storm, where Celestine is in the warp, and she refers to herself as a project long abandoned? Will have to dig out the reference now, but maybe they were the emperor's plan before the primarchs?

[@Ranmus]

Feels like the origin story of Protoman. Almost parallel when you think of it.

[@tonysimonsen3228]

The point around 10:55 about the Dark Angels name- they weren't known as that until the Emperor refound Johnson on Caliban

[@tonysimonsen3228]

Was about how they descended upon the planet, given to them by the people of Caliban who witnessed it. Not by the Emperor

[@tonysimonsen3228]

Ah, you got that bit covered anyway. I commented too soon

[@fumarc4501]

Grales. Warp energies woven into a bodily shell, powered by a human soul. The reverse of a warp daemon possessing a mortal body.

[@mattgrandich3977]

There’s a similarity to the Angel with the Primarchs in that he was retired shortly before his successors, essentially champions of the Emperor, just as the Thunder Warriors were done away with before being replaced by the Adeptus Astartes. The old and the new, the precursor and the inheritor.

[@joshmaggard6]

He's the primarch of the grey knights. Psychic, holy, angelic features, the purifying flame of their weapons, close and special connection to the Emperor.

[@Killdust99]

Stretch, since it was sealed and not expressly killed, could the Angel have been the focal point of the War of the False Primarch? We’ve seen weirder than an entity being freed from a prison

[@archangel9363]

Another possible candidate would be the Commander of the Thunder Warriors; prototypes to the Adeptus Astartes during the Terran/Solar Unification Wars. It'd make sense that their leader could have been the earliest-known example of a Primarch... unless the Angel WAS their leader.

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

That's possible

[@DarkApostleNoek]

I'm thinking if there maybe some Malal/Malice connection. Wipe out everything to stop Chaos. Illuminate connections. Illuminate faction made of a mix of discarded Emperor works, Chaos forces of Malice, and Xenos.

[@jeremysnead9233]

This explains allot like why the Emperor kept the other Primarchs in the dark. It would also explain the loyalty of the original earth. I am thinking either the Cabal or Malcador I can't find a Decent Copy of Inquisitor Conspiracy. Earth Estartes loyalty. 1.) Will you possibly cover the Angel a more? 2.) Do you think the Angel was more powerful then the Emperor? 3.) Do you think the Angel Could be the Star Child? 4.) Do you think the Saints could have been the Angel's Estartes like compliment?

[@GregoryElliott1973]

I knew nothing of The Angel, until now. That's so awesome. I've been working on my own Primarch 0. It only makes sense for the Emperor to create a Proto-type.

[@henryfleischer404]

The imperium should drop the angel into one of those tyranid galaxies... it would get rid of him, and be a major blow against the tyranids.

[@cyanideandfiberglass5475]

Holy shit imagine the Tyranid form of this dude.

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

Yeah..... No Absolutely Bad Idea

[@maskedpodcaster1345]

Man the new intro is still giving me chills

[@guiltyofbias8818]

This is another great video about Alpharius

[@VanGeo1]

List of prototype Primarchs: Valdor. First successful Custodes. Set the template for their creation. Most powerful of them all (on par with or even surpassing a Primarch in combat). Hypothesis: attempt to make a Primarch without warp stuff. The Angel. Living weapon created by the Emperor to fight Chaos and noted as the most powerful thing he ever made. Tho overzealous and wants to exterminate humanity due to risk of their corruption. Called "my favoured son" by the Emperor. Completely immune from physical damage and can wipe out all life on a planet by himself in a matter of hours. Hypothesis: attempt to make a Primarch with too much warp stuff. The leaders of the Thunder Warriors legions. The leaders of the Thunder Warriors (such as Arik Tanis) were noted as being larger and stronger than the others. And among their legions they even had a rank called "Primarch". The "Primarch" of the VI Legion "Iron Lords, Ushotan, was able to seriously challenge Valdor, although unable to best him. Hypothesis: made to test the rank structure that was later used in the Astartes. With the Thunder Warrior Primarchs given additional enhancements to small scale emulate the power difference of the future Astartes to their own Primarchs.

[@preventer333]

is it just me? I see some serious resemblance between this Angel to Sanguinius. Sanguinius seems to be more "stable" version of this Angel, and Angel's genocide could potentially be "prototype" Red Thirst or Black Rage. Perhaps Emperor's favoritism towards Sanguinius stemmed from such semblence?

[@shredfreak83]

quite possibly. It seems that the primarchs are extremely watered down versions of the angel in terms of power. Horus pretty much got erased by the emperor, yet the angel had to be lured & sealed away. The angel was most likely created in the emperor's liking aswell wich could explain why he couldn't be outright killed on the spot.

[@usuariopromedio963]

Dont talk shit about my fabulous Hawk boy... He die for mee..you know??? Ahahaha LIKE too you Sir 👍

[@MrJamesatWork]

Malcador said "Maybe he should have made daughters". Maybe the saints are him finally learning that lesson. Hyper aggressive angelic being kills everything it comes into contact with. 20 "toned down" versions eventually betray him. He's forced to create the next bactch remotely so they're a bit less... real but the slightly less psycho-killer vide the saints have fits I feel.

[@Deamon93IT]

I think the Angel was more than a mere prototype. I think Big E attempted to, for a lack of a better term, groom a single heir. That didn't work out and that forced Him to "disperse" the power in multiple beings. The similarities between certain Primarchs and the Angels could be explained by regressive genes, after all only a few sported striking similarities. On the Living Saints: I think Big E used the Angel as base to shape them, which is why they are similar. Both are of course speculation, hard to say whether or not they are true

[@sonicwingnut]

The Emperor referring to The Angel as his "favoured son" implies the existence of other sons before the inception of the Primarchs. Although guess that depends if the Sensei are still canon.

[@Silver_Ash_]

What if the primachs, are shards of the angle and they share both physical and psychological elements of it? That would explain why The Lion chose the insignia, sangurneous getting its wing, Horus acting’s like it and becoming the “favored son”. Also the emperor probably add more ‘standard’ human dna to give them more personalities akin for their creation roles? Angron- The angles rage = his blade Sanguineous- wings + posterboi Horus - personal charisma = favored son / general of the the generals Papa Smurf- political charisma = highlord replasement Magnus- it’s Psychic strength-> golden throne anchor later to be the info head of the imperium Vulcan - it’s compassion Corvus - it’s angst Corgi Boi- it’s lively ness and a way to easy more Tribal humanity in to the emporium So on and so on.

[@bobmilaplace3816]

So kinda lke Khaine or C'tan Shards?

[@Silver_Ash_]

Bob MiLaplace kinda yeah

[@psychedashell]

Angron's rage isn’t the Emperor's handiwork, that comes from the Butcher's Nails. The only real character traits we have regarding Angron is he was loyal to the guys the Emperor left behind to die at the hands of slavers and he resented the Emperor for not letting him die with them.

[@Silver_Ash_]

psychedashell that’s true, I forgot to mention that his rage i was commenting on was that displayed by his legion pre-butchers nails

[@psychedashell]

@@Silver_Ash_ That's interesting, the same is said of the VI Legion before Russ came along, Russ actually leashed the Space Wolves with a culture of alcohol and hero worship. It's funny to find out Angron also got a Legion known for brutality but chose to make them worse with Butcher's Nails.

[@gundamcollector77]

Sounds to me like this was one of the 2 angels of Baal that where combined to become Sanguinius. And this lends a lot of weight that the primarchs souls are that of minor warp gods.

[@Subsplot]

The angelic appearance of some beings and their ability to set swords on fire in 40K isn't a genetic trait but rather a manifestation of the Emperors pure physic power being channeled through them. Anything that is truly dedicated to the Emperor and so becomes a vessel for this power can develop these traits in the same way that individuals dedicated to the various Chaos gods can develop traits synonymous with those Gods. I do like the idea though that the Angel created before the Primarchs is a proto Primarch though.

[@Corium1]

You know if any of the Primarchs learned of this they’d all freak out; probably have a Horus Heresy like event much earlier.

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

Before or after the Heresy?

[@Corium1]

Primarch Roboute Guilliman Lord of Ultramar before the Heresy

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

But if he is evil but no support all of my brothers (18 of us) will fight him

[@matthewbrune5490]

when this video popped up, it made me think of IA and Arik Tarranis

[@rehvan8669]

This is a theory iv had for years, cool to see another. I use it to explain my primarch of the second legion

[@whateyatalkinabout4972]

In the recent valdor book this is somewhat contradicted. In a part near the end of the book, there is a description of the gene vaults beneath what would be known as the imperial Palace in the dungeons. It describes the various symbols of the legions to come. As this takes place roughly around the time that the last thunder warriors were destroyed by the first legionnaires Astartes. In one of the flashback scenes it describes how the emperor already had symbols and names for the legions, such as the blood angels, the space wolves, the imperial fists, etc. It’s also heavily implied in the book that the emperor intended his Primarchs to be taken away from him and put on specific worlds. All of this we already know and it’s no secret that sanguinius and various other Primarchs suspected this as well. It does get confusing however as even the thousand sons were known as the thousand sons before they met their Primarch.

[@40KTheories]

Yeah I do need to update this video at some point with the info from the Valdor novel. The joys of retcons coming out a year or two later, eh? xD

[@Agenthellion]

I had shitty day at work today, and saw this video on my feed and made my day better, thank you. But I never heard of this Angel I need to look into this.

[@HAL-cp4mt]

So the emperor makes a prototype that fails miserably , yet he continues with his project none the less, and fails utterly. GENIUS.

[@psychedashell]

He didn’t fail utterly, he went from utter failure to 50% success.

[@Zaprozhan]

You only fail when you stop trying.

[@ee822]

Huh. Thought it would be Arik Taranis, given the whole Thunder Warriors being prototype Space Marines and him having an aura noted to be distinctly like the Primarchs.

[@Erikjust]

If the angel is a prototype Primarch, there is a very easy way to verify this, get the casket from the Inquisition and take it to a remote planet and have Gulliman open it. If he recognizes it as a brother we know its a primarch. But then again from what i can read about it, The Angel is basically the Warhammer 40k version of Broly. So i wonder if even Gulliman could defeat it.. well not unless the fusion dance suddenly exists in 40k.

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

it could (the fusion dance) but there isn't anyone around for guilliman to fuse with they have to be pretty much same power level

[@axaldusteliora2956]

@@BIGBOSS-bu1jt the Lion

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

@@axaldusteliora2956 but would he?

[@axaldusteliora2956]

@@BIGBOSS-bu1jt yes. Wake him up, drug him and he will accept

[@BIGBOSS-bu1jt]

@@axaldusteliora2956 alright I'll tell father then we will head over to the rock but i'm only a new primaris I have to ask how's the lion's and papa guillimans relationship cause i hear that everyone hate father for the curse that was gifted from the 5 chaos god

[@Nomad524]

I think the Angel destroyed Coranis (the city) in a single day and night and only then proceeded to destroy the rest of the planet's population in an indeterminate amount of time. If the Angel had destroyed an entire planets population in a single night THAT would be some Emperor himself tier power. Great video!

[@benjaminstorace6699]

The Primarch of the Thunder Warriors

[@Robouteguilliman-t7o]

That's possible since he is the Proto-Primarch and they are the Proto-space marine

[@Kainlarsen]

I have a theory regarding the Iconography of the Dark Angels and that on the prison of the Angel; Since it is likely both Jonson and the Angel share the Emperor's genes, the choice by Jonson for his legion's iconography was somehow a shared genetic memory, subconsciously retained within him?

[@Sophiewimmer443]

So how long until we see a home brew of marines driveled from the angel's gene seed who proved too zealous to handle by the radical inquisitors who created them?

[@CenturionMax789]

Would they be kinda like the Black Templars then? Cause I'm all for zealous purging in that one Guy's name.

[@Blueeyes713]

I'm tempted to do it.

[@psychedashell]

The purged and forgotten.

[@bobross9581]

Just have The Angel's Marines be The Tunder Warriors, since they were both test runs for a much greater plan.

[@bobross9581]

Or better yet, since April Taranis was kind of depicted as the pseudo-Primarch of the Thunder Warrior's, why not have The Angel be a sort of Primarch of the Custodes, it could fit rather well.

[@andrewmcnally5013]

It's possibly Omegon. After the Emperor made Omegon and saw that a more generic version could indeed be made, cloned Omegon into Alpharius and made the other 19 to fill other rolls. This would also make Omegon a "Secret Primarch" which the Chaos Gods didn't steal due to them not knowing.

[@brigandboy1425]

I think it might be a good idea to ship that casket to the eye of terror and have it open right before it gets there. What could go wrong?

[@ArnoldJudasRimmer..]

Hahahaha I always said this about the angels casket!

[@jakerooke174]

Slannesh or tzenntch would what could go wrong khorne would just try to fight it and nurgle would just be the one killed

[@nonimport-ante]

suggestions:1. did the other loyalist primarchs know about the primaris marines? some of the crimson fist were said to have met dorn and the device krawl used has to be the same one corax retrieve from the emperor's lab. there can't be two considering what a big deal Emp made of it. 2.If it was possible to create space marine faster and easier, and corax proved it was, why didn't the emperor do it? only thought, he didn't want it to be too easy and humaity be replaced. 3. why didn't the emperor clone/recreate the two lost primachs and the badly damaged kurze and angron? theory when he created the primarchs he actually put some of his own essence into them and either no longer had those parts of himself or would have been (further) weakened and a mere clone while strong and smart wouldn't have the otherworldly presence/charisma he also may have thought they'd be more vulnerable to chaos. 4. did the traitor primarchs fall because they where more human then the loyalist? Fulgrim was preoccupied with art, Kurze with justice, magnus with knowledge and the mind, logar with the soul, perturabo in contrast to dorn who designed for pure functionality also designed thing of great beauty(very few of which he ever got a chance to build) agron and mortarion were both motivated by their personal hatred of the emperor, and Horus by his hidden feeling of inadequacy. the loyalist seemed by and large content to do what they were designed for and untroubled by the big questions.

[@Devillin]

I wonder how 40K would be different if the Primarchs hadn't been separated from the Emperor.

[@inthefade]

The whole point of 40K is that it is a nightmare galaxy, so surely something else would have gone wrong and everyone would be still living in a hellscape.

[@jadebailey3826]

The Angel sounds super OP. I wonder if he’ll ever be woken up? Just in case he’s dead, I haven’t fully finished the video yet!

[@the_dropbear4392]

I must say I preferred the old intro music. The new one just clashes and sounds wierd. But great vid as always

[@nathanhunt9105]

I always skip right over it 'cause it's so damn long, so I didn't even realize the change, especially since the end was basically the same. Lol.

[@jacobcaster]

I had a similar idea for my current RPG campaign. Mostly I just wanted a backstory to explain why I keep my Broly figurine next to my 3rd party Emperor miniature. The alpha and beta tests. The alpha being a pre primarch attempt by the Emperor to make a clone of himself to act as an agent. Physically similar but psychically weaker. The alpha was strong-minded and fleed from the Emperor to pursue its own ideas on how to protect humanity. It is the sire of the Sensei. The beta was the prototype primarch. Created to test the techniques for the production run. It was a much more unstable entity being made from four daemons fused together and inverted by the Emperor rather than created from raw Warp stuff. Its unstable existence caused it to fall into the Warp and is why the Emperor took extra precautions to prevent the loss of the production primarchs.

[@ConcealedCourier]

I think primarch zero is in the same place as primarchs 2&11.. As in, whatever was the issue with the prototype was also present in those primarchs.

[@MiddleAgedGuy73]

Amazing video! I absolutely loved this video!

[@codeofzero1]

In DoA when the lion asked the 1st MS he see ‘who are you’ the SM said ‘I’m a dark angel’ so lion did not give them the name

[@EJmoray]

He was likely The Emporer's failed attempt at making a clone of himself.

[@Solus1994]

Love the new intro!

[@CAP198462]

“...Lorgar is going to have fun with this.”