The Spalding Murders | The Girl who Killed her Mother and Sister | Deadliest Kids |

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Lincolnshire teen sweethearts Kim Edwards (14) and Lucas Markham (15) were convicted of the murder of Kim’s mother, Elizabeth (49) and younger sister, Katie (13) in April 2016. In a planned attack Markham had stabbed Elizabeth in the voice box while she slept, then smothered her, before doing the same to Kim’s sister.
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[@Masterk1988]

The fact they only got 17 years for intentionally killing 2 people is disgusting..... The justice system in Britain is such a joke.

[@CynthiaSharpe-hl8mg]

Joke,that isn't funny!😮😢

[@NHWatching]

I'm also concerned that there are kids who would bully someone and laugh because their mum died horribly from cancer ...😢 their parents did that! It scares me that my kids have to share this world with such people.

[@sharontaylor2274]

My Deepest Condolences Go Out To The Family and Friends✝🙏🏽💜🕊🕊

[@aleisaetheridge8682]

Never ever use one child against the other ,ever ever ,it clearly can make one hate the other ad its a terrible move for a parent ,really terrible .

[@eg4151]

You're absolutely right about a usual tactic of plainly sick parents.

[@dawnbaswell1853]

Her mother didn't do that.

[@user-xd1ll8fo3k]

Yes! I was on the receiving end of that no good for for either sibling.

[@lornarettig3215]

Parental favouritism, resulting in resentment and bitterness from the non-favourite(s), is not the same as sibling rivalry. The latter puts responsibility for the situation on the children. The former puts responsibility on the parents.

[@jackienunez3673]

I hate the excuses given by the professionals. I grown up in poverty, and not so good neighborhood. No didnt see my parents be abusive to each other, but I will see this in my neighborhood etc. But never thought to be violence. I know plenty of friends the grew up with violence inside their home, and now successful. I think evil took over, and this is are the results.

[@brandyeldridge3332]

Same here... She was just pure Evil... No excuses

[@Lola-AreaCode212]

Her possessions removed from her room while she's gone and given to her sister as punishment? Can we *stop pretending* her mother was such a great person?

[@littlelovely1211]

That's exactly what I was thinking, that's disgusting and you don't do that to someone.

[@dr.pepperspit]

This

[@frumpy6611]

That turned my stomach. And then portraying the mother as such a great person. NO.

[@deztheray8935]

Nobody said she was a good person, but her being murdered is STILL a tragedy.

[@dr1609]

Prosperity causes a lot of the nasty behaviours in younger people as they have much more time sitting, doing nothing useful and thinking about stuff unconnected to survival, to community.Every bit of nasty behaviour is exacerbated by extreme unreasoning sympathy for the group of youngsters living their easiest life ever. In africa, young elephants caused havoc, killing rhino's until matriarch cows were brought in an disciplined them. We are animals.

[@jessicahill8231]

I feel like the excuse for Kim’s childhood is not an excuse. She saw “as an infant” her father bearing her mother so it may have distorted her ideas and rationality of relationships? Yet, her and her boyfriend were loving and after the murders they bathed and sat down and watched the Twilight series together? Wouldn’t she have more issues with men than her mother. I understand being taken from her mother is traumatic and watching abuse growing up. Everyone’s brains work differently. 75% of people don’t use that as an excuse when the commit crimes. This is not a good enough reason to allow your boyfriend to murder your mother and sister.

[@gracietilert8952]

That is utterly without any humanity and utterly barbaric.

[@jesterday2222]

"Kim was exposed to violence in her childhood. Could that have an effect on her development? ". What kind of question is that? Of course it has an effect! Anything adults do and say in a childs life has an effect, be it good or bad.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

Kim got a slap from her mother! Which she more than likely deserved. I highly doubt that made her a sociopath.

[@jesterday2222]

@@coffeecrimegal5968 What I understood from watching the show is that she witnessed her father (or stepfather, can't remember) being violent with her mother and that sort of thing. This has an influence/impact on young minds, like anything else, wouldn't you agree. Yet the narrator stated it as if it's some sort of mystery. Never did I say that this impact is an excuse for what she did. Because it's not. I was just reacting to that silly narrator. I like your username by the way :P

[@janetpendlebury6808]

@@coffeecrimegal5968 She is talking about mental abuse and seeing physical abuse of her mother at a very young age.

[@cherrylee1103]

but, her sister was exposed to the same violence and showed no murderous behavior.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@cherrylee1103 Exactly. People always seem to forget that little tid bit..

[@conniemiller9789]

This just made my skin crawl. When the two perps were talking about how and why they did it, I didn't see or hear a shred of remorse. It sounded like they were reading from a script. I feel so very sorry for the Mom's partner. He obviously loved Mom so very much. I had an abusive father that beat me and sexually abused me. I didn't ever think about killing him, just surviving until I was old enough to leave home for good. I guess in a way that Karma is real because he died of a heart attack at the age of 54.

[@lesare6509]

Karma & God’s justice is very real. He faced his judgement.

[@johnhenderson131]

18:17 I guess she’s too young to realize that her Knight in Shining armor is in reality a violent sociopath that would eventually take his violence out on her!

[@KrissyRoseAnimallover]

She’s was not to young she knew exactly what she was doing

[@soniaclarkstewart]

Exactly! He may have already started by being controlling and isolating her and the fool probably thought he was being caring.

[@annesummers09]

Her mother gave her things to her sister as punishment?! How could she have done that?

[@moladoda6014]

Exactly. The mom was obviously not right in the head, but these stories always have to be portrayed as black and white as possible for the simple minds.

[@frumpy6611]

That was an absolutely sickening thing to do, yes.

[@giggiity]

My parents did something similar growing up. Did I ever think of killing them? Absolutely not. I rebelled like a normal child by throwing tantrums and complaining a lot and now that I’m older I realize that’s the best they knew. They changed with my younger siblings and learned from their mistakes. No one deserves to die for bad parenting, they could have ran away and disappeared.

[@didimagnin3744]

My mother was alway verbally mean towards me. She was the only child, brought up in India. We lived in Burma, where she had nanny, kitchen staff and a gardener. My father lost his job so we returned to the UK. She alway blamed him for that and, as I resembled his family, treated me horribly verbally. I started earning my own money from the age of 15, left home aged 19 and paid my own way through physio school with a grant and what I earned as a temp sec. She was always mean and delighted in hurting me. When I introduced her to my German bf, she started telling him how horrible I was. He said: We all have good sides and bad sides - shut her up. I would never have considered killing her.

[@kathismith7441]

They aren’t you. And you aren’t them. Dynamic right?

[@TheZamfot]

Good on you 😊 and sorry for the abuse you had to face 😢 I am a fellow Physiotherapist too 😊

[@didimagnin3744]

@@TheZamfot It's a great profession! Which helped me get over the shooting. Hugs D

[@caralinehowden2951]

I know what you have experienced and never once would I have thought of killing my mother, she was so very vile, but I figured karma will come her way and I wouldn't have anything to do with it. Once you grow up you try your best to put this out of your mind, not really succeeding, but doing those things to make your life better after all when you grow up you are an adult and you are responsible for your own actions. You cannot take what happened to you and make it an excuse for what they did to define you. I really get quite offended when these so called psychologists assume that everyone who has a bad childhood would end up being a horrible adult. Good on you for living your life your way, with dignity. I don't take accept people in my life that are toxic, I just walk away and move on. Yes there are plenty out there that treat people so horribly and I am not one of them, and from what you have said neither of you, nor are many others, also none of us have to put up with it.

[@rynneviolet4291]

So glad you had the strength and wisdom to get out of the situation.

[@Paul-zu1iv]

Pure evil.... I will never understand what is wrong this world 😢

[@lindadobson9854]

Read 1John 5:19…..that will answer all your questions…I guarantee it!

[@Paul-zu1iv]

@@lindadobson9854 I don't understand - is this something from the bible?

[@janetpendlebury6808]

Nothing evil about it, just bad mental health care with both of these kids.

[@janetpendlebury6808]

@@lindadobson9854 Don't read fairy tales any more, I live in the real world.

[@LordFingers1]

one of the things wrong is how many people tried to defend the girl in the comments. they are making excuses for her. wow.

[@a-jheney102]

In addition to my prior comments I must admit to my admiration and profound respect for this.series Psychologist , she is one of the very best with her quietly reasoned approach and obvious empathy despite everything she oversees that could cause her too turn away . Her own mental strength is a lesson for myself to NOT jump before leaping to opinions & I thank her as well as so many of the other fascinating professionals we met from all Investigative ,judicial.& mental backgrounds and that includes Defense lawyers who can admit that running free can NOT be an option and Prosecutions that unlike here also know there is more to a situation than the obvious ...a&j h

[@LotsofLisa]

I’m always on the fence on these cases because of course an abusive, hellscape of a childhood has an effect on a child’s growing brain, but they certainly know right from wrong. I also think this is a case of the “perfect storm.” Some people wouldn’t have done whatever horrible thing if they hadn’t met the other person. We can’t expect kids raised in Dante’s Inferno to grow up to be normal, productive citizens. Our mental health and social services are atrocious. The foster care system is usually where kid’s hope and spirit go to die. She was referred for help, they said she was fine and sent her on her way.

[@hfrt29]

its satan,they choose evil

[@WoundedWarrior2012]

I was abused as a child and we had guns all over our house, but I never thought about killing my parents.

[@feetz4191]

This. Thank you for thinking further than "I was too and didn't do this". The sheer simplemindedness of some people always commenting the same thing is staggering.

[@Cathy-cg8wh]

I guess it sounds like I'm judging, but what kind of parent allows their 14 year old daughter to have a boyfriend?!!! Ever consider girl scouts, tennis club, church ?

[@christinaalicia6385]

With Kim's character and have a bf like Lucas, girl. . she can hide a lot from the mother and sister. You wouldn't know

[@KrissyRoseAnimallover]

I had a bf at 13

[@brandyeldridge3332]

That's not judging, that's what normal and healthy persist of in a teenagers life... I completely agree with you...

[@brandyeldridge3332]

​@@KrissyRoseAnimallover that's not brag worthy!!!😅 It's silly...

[@lovinYah838]

Pure evil! Don't make excuses for these kids! They deserve the severest of punishments!!

[@Mashup-l7y]

No one is making excuses for these kids. They are simply explaining the mental health science behind how and why they became who they became.

[@TheSybil47]

I totally agree with you. People always say, oh this is due to mental issues, but people need to wake up, and face reality, some people are just pure evil, and no other term will be able to hide it. Call it pshycopathy, anti-social personality disorder, it's really just modern terms for evil.

[@algimante2097]

Its not excuse, just an explanation of possible things to look in other kids/adults to make sure they are on the radar.

[@deenabean1983]

It’s no excuse at all. Learning about the psychopathy of anyone that commits heinous crimes, is very interesting. Outside of that, these actions are still vile and deserve harsh punishment for sure!

[@Dee-so3by]

@@Mashup-l7y Who cares about what they have become, they deserve the same sentence as the one they dished out to the mother and daughter. When they come out of prison, I hope you take them in and take care of them. Maybe you can do a better job.

[@bamby5211]

Excuses, Excuses!! Blaming her attachment issues with her Mom has nothing to do with her bad choices especially taking another life. She knows right from wrong. They both should have gotten life with no parole... They took a life and should never have freedom.

[@brisvegasblonde6191]

A pair of sadistic psychopaths!!! They will never feel any remorse, let alone be able to be rehabilitated!! 2 of a kind in the most heinous way!!!

[@annamarielewis7078]

I believe they are broken and cannot be fixed.

[@rhondasevick4257]

At 14, you know right from wrong. There's no excuse, period.

[@idaornstein1305]

These teenagers were NOT the youngest killers in the UK. That dubious title goes to Jon Venebles and his friend, both boys only ten years old at the time who killed little James Bulger, aged 5 years old.

[@CRzdaName]

They said "double murderers", not "murderers".

[@patwhite7970]

I've known people who came from dysfunctional families and they worked hard and made a good life for themselves.

[@teenanance8691]

You are absolutely right! I pray daily for my 12yr old grandson will be able to do the same.... My son.. 'his Dad and his Mom who has been gone doing drugs for the past ten years came back in the picture and is demanding to have him come spend time with her!! He says he doesn't know her and she hasn't been in his life for ten years! He is so stressed ATM... All I can do is pray 🙏. I have tried to help him but my son keeps him away from me when he is mad at me or If I don't do everything he asks me to do!!!!! So I am praying my grandson will fall in this category!! 🙏 😢

[@CRzdaName]

Gee. 🙄

[@MN-bf1me]

Whoopie doo

[@CynthiaSharpe-hl8mg]

Y the sarcasm??😮​@@MN-bf1me

[@itsallschittsandgigglesunt7354]

Do y’all expect no one to ever be murdered like ever?

[@spottyty]

Im from Spalding its shocking to hear this I was 10 when this happened crazy to know that I was living so close to this stuff..

[@jessicacooper2993]

What's the point of censoring the word SUICIDE?

[@crissalianne]

Domestic abuse and. NO Consequences at all , have an impact on a child.

[@ryanandersen991]

Well your kids being bullied at school for years, youve done nothing about it but try take away the only person thats ever shown her affection, what did you think was going to happen?

[@CRzdaName]

Bingo.

[@christinaalicia6385]

17 years. They will be out in year 2033. 10 years to go. I hope they wont harm the society again.

[@Tomboyy9818]

They probably will. If they did it once, they’ll do it again

[@KrissyRoseAnimallover]

Um this happened in 2016 and sentence starts when in prison and not necessarily if they get bad records in prison they won’t be released. A specific time sentence doesn’t always mean that amount they can even get out early. Or like I said added time

[@dawnbaswell1853]

They need to be in prison for the rest of their lives

[@dr1609]

Come on, seeing your mother being abused, made this Kim feel killing her would just be the cherry on top? I wish they can stop seeking excuses for the nasty, unemployed, young woman with her expensive nails, haircare, pampered self while her sister was NOT given that. Lucas has the least excuses, killing a mother because he had none?

[@lbar9720]

I completely agree; too many excuses and not enough discipline!

[@luzvimindagarces7177]

😢

[@donnahodges5596]

🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@lesare6509]

Agree totally! Start taking responsibility & pay for the evil you do, lives for lives taken.

[@violet640]

Get rid of psychologist’s view . It makes the story dragging .

[@Tenashus.88]

This is proof kids can be evil as well as adults can..so horrible

[@peggymorley2392]

I do believe that a childs environment can cause mental health issues. However why some grow up and becoming narsasistic or a murderer. I do know all humans are different some weaker minded than others idk. But i will say this... I whitnessed my father brutely beating my mother. My father was not someone to cross. I whitnessed other brutal behaviors he would unleash on others as well. I would never dream of murdering anyone for the reasons these kids gave. If her mother abused her continuously and this happend i suppose i could see it being more of self defense or simply just wanting to end the abuse once and for all. But to me this was done because these were bad seeds period. And now they blame their upbringing. Ppl have had way worse up bringings have become amazing productive citizens great parents and all around loving individuals

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

These children were not abused or neglected. Lucas had an aunt that took him in that certainly didn’t have to & tried to get him help to deal with the death of his mother! Kim used child services against her mother like a weapon & in turn caused her sister to suffer along with their mum just because her mother wouldn’t tolerate any disrespect from her! I doubt it if she loved Katy more, she just got along better with her! And a big reason for that is Kim herself! Point being these kids were unbelievably selfish, defiant, manipulative, & angry! Had they accepted some help instead of acting as sociopaths this tragedy wouldn’t have happened! Rest In Peace Katy 🧸 & Elizabeth 🌹

[@janetpendlebury6808]

Both these children were abused, what do you call giving away one child's possession's to the other child? You have no idea of what went on in the house, the mother might not have been physically abusive, but she was mentally abusive. Lucas was brought up with an alcoholic father and neglected by him. Abuse is not just physical, mental abuse is just as bad. Both of these kids should have had mental health care to help them deal with their problems, instead of just being continually told off and punished. It was unfortunate that they found each other, each one on their own would have probably just descended into drugs and drink. There is no excuse for what they did, but their upbringings certainly give an explanation of what went wrong.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@janetpendlebury6808 I’m well aware of the levels of abuse & trauma. Unfortunately some people like yourself think it’s just the go to answer for “What went wrong” Hearing from Kim & Lucas’ own words what they did, why & how tells me more than one may think! So please don’t give the dime store excuse of “You don’t know what went on in that house” Lucas’ aunt tried to get him “help” and frankly even if Kim’s mother offered to go back to family counseling she probably wouldn’t have went! Occam’s Razor! Sometimes it just is what it is.

[@waynepolo6193]

@@coffeecrimegal5968I don’t think you understand what Occam’s Razor is, or how to apply it.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@waynepolo6193 Oh No?! Please by all means… Do educate the less intelligent…

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@waynepolo6193 If You Can That Is…

[@tidesendmanorhouse5495]

They look like brother and sisters, only the eyes are different.

[@corgisrule21]

Nice how they blame her mom for the murders…

[@djcoolrule]

What's sad is these children exhibited some serious issues that weren't addressed at school or at home. Death is something that cannot be undone and these kids making this decision was definitely demonic. Sad that their lives were lost over childish thoughts that weren't addressed.

[@vettelover695]

What they did was brutal and awful but I do understand how they got there. Folie a deux.

[@angeesteiner8493]

What in the name of all that is Holy goes wrong w/kids, where this happens?

[@mattderouen2323]

Natural born killers... complete psychopaths!

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

Most monsters are made. However there are the rare few that are simply born bad! Something happens while in utero and the synapsis don’t wire properly.

[@cherrylee1103]

wait a minute, Lucas's mom died at age 4?

[@Dee-so3by]

@cherrylee, lol, I also though a minute about the way they said it. Mother died when Lucas was 4.

[@hollykarlsen1792]

She had him when she was 2.

[@marlbboro8091]

Ikr 😂. Wonky scripting. 😂😂

[@spiritus_iris]

Don't try to justify their behaviour by "bad childhood", because Katie grew up in the same family as Kim, but everybody in this video said that Katie was a nice girl. Evil is evil.

[@janetpendlebury6808]

You really think a mother cannot favour one child over another? The children's mental health and personalities are completely different. Its a bit like saying because Katie fell out of a tree and did not break her leg, then Kim wouldn't either.

[@lornarettig3215]

@@janetpendlebury6808 I agree. Favouring one child over another is a recipe for disaster. It cannot be described as both children having grown up 'in the same environment', that's for sure.

[@glendarobinson2841]

Absolutely

[@Faithfulsally]

​@@janetpendlebury6808Kim is the one who said her mom favored Katie. The moms boyfriend and others said she did not. U believe the girl that got her mother murdered over the boyfriend?

[@MM-uw5tt]

Did you even listen to the story or did you skip through the parts when they displayed a clear favouritism over one kid?

[@mariac7084]

At the end, when they talk about not having been able to save these two kids... They forget that in not saving them two innocent lives were lost. Two people, one of them a child herself, up until then, had suffered the same difficult life but had no murderous tendencies

[@tammylovemyink]

I’m 48 and got hit and beat by my parents like many my age. We didn’t go around talking, hitting and killing our parents like kids do now a days. This is definitely a messed up world

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

I got it from my parents when I f**ked up! I would never say they abused me! And they got it worse from their parents too! They’ve never accused their parents of abuse either! There’s no fine line between discipline & abuse.

[@iwant12cats]

Yes. Hitting someone is abuse. Even if you didn’t realise it. I hope you didn’t continue the toxic cycle

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@iwant12cats No it’s not.

[@iwant12cats]

@@coffeecrimegal5968 yes. It is. Go up to someone in your work place and hit them when they do something you don’t like. See what happens.

[@coffeecrimegal5968]

@@iwant12cats No it’s not. Not to me. To you perhaps. There’s a time & a place for everything and typically the workplace isn’t the time nor the place. That said like it or not we live in just as much of a violent world as we bask in its beauty and sometimes a smack even if it’s simply a reality smack is necessary. If a lunatic walked up to you or one of your children on the subway or accosted you all in front of a store would you be prepared to physically defend yourself & or your family if need be? See I can give scenarios too…

[@Iera_Thaumaturgy]

I wonder how she thinks when she looks at herself? As she looks almost identical to her mother.

[@tomislavpuaca9095]

I was problematic kid but in 14 years more than fer fight l couldnt imagine, this girl has evil in her eyes

[@tomislavpuaca9095]

There is no exuseS l lived with evil stepfather who kicked me like adult and my mother died when l was 19 and l know what is to stay alone and thats even whorse cause he lost his mother and killed mother of his girfriend its unbeliveble

[@Dee-so3by]

His mother died when HE WAS 4 YEARS OLD.

[@Tomboyy9818]

Excuses* worse*

[@tomislavpuaca9095]

Its all what you found interesting to correct me cause english is not my natural language, but l speak 2 more languages and if its makes you happy to show hižow you know your language l have no problem you can correct me, my language is much harder than english so what, l know that people can understand me like you did

[@violet640]

Get rid of psychologist’s view. It makes the story dragging . Make the investigator or detective speak more .

[@vicb2266]

Kim's eyes are absolutely terrifying. Dark, soulless

[@MM-uw5tt]

Can we stop describing people's looks as evil and think we can judge someone based on our "deep understanding of how evil looks"? It puts normal people in danger of unfair judgement.

[@suzanbeverlyhills2310]

Sad 😢

[@Esmeralda.M.]

I don’t understand a word that man said

[@grettagirl2884]

"Childlike" indicates innocence. Childish is more accurate.

[@chloeuntrau4588]

It's the opposite...definition childlike: "They have poor impulse control. They are emotionally volatile. They can not be trusted to do what they say they will do."

[@sheilaboston7051]

@@chloeuntrau4588 Goodness knows where you got that definition from! _Childlike:_ Having the good qualities, such as innocence, associated with a child: i.e. "she speaks with a childlike directness."

[@DSP_Gaming0]

My honest opinion. Any child under the age of 16 should not by no means ever be giving a life sentences. I believe kids are irrational, they see the world so differently then adults. Kids still have alot of learning to do and can be saved. I feel like with the proper treatment, therapy, and the right amount of monitoring, kids can be saved. I wasnt no murderer of course, but i was by no means a good kid. Ive been sent away 2 times in my young teenage years. Spent 3 years in total in placement homes and went to jail for a year when i was 17. I used to fight all the time, do drugs, party, skip school, runaway, vandalize property, steal from stores, you name it i was doing it. After i was sent to county jail for a year at the age of 17 i turnt my whole life around. Its never to late for the ypunger generations to make a change, and start realizing the mistakes they made, and have regret. Sorry for the rant i just hate seeing little kids being charged the same as a full grown adult.

[@Peace-tk3gr]

Excuse me as I say 'blah blah blah'. I don't have time to type out the LIST of abuse and neglect and abandonment I suffered from age 2yrs to age 17yrs, and yet I murdered no-one. Explain this to me, please.

[@amybugg001]

Lots of kids were in bad homes ... they didn't do any of this. A whole suitcase of cheap excuses imho !

[@ReinhardAusDieNiederlande]

Why do you feel the need to censor the term suicide?!

[@robertwalker5218]

The girl that kept on appearing giving an ‘expert opinion’ was pointless. She neither knew the people involved nor interviewed them.She just gives her rambling opinions all through the programme. She was what I would call Otiose.

[@countrygirl366]

🙏🏻🙏🏻😢😢♥️♥️♥️

[@fluffy_preacher]

That psychiatrist can't be feeling too terrible from a so called opportunity from not seeing that these are juveniles needing help and by giving any kind of adult sentence is compounding the real issue of societal vengeance

[@nickisnyder3450]

A psychiatrist can't CHANGE a person. The parents who raised these kids are to blame if anyone

[@annamarielewis7078]

Some crimes are just too terrible for sympathy. There is therapy in prison.

[@Dee-so3by]

@fluffy_preacher, solution is put away and throw the keys, they'll never change and because it will cost the tax payers too much, eventually they will be released unto society. My opinion, will have been out of this world of so called sympathisers.

[@ThePracticalDog]

Why do they bleep out the word suicide? Every time that word is used it is bleeped out. The entire video is about a young girl who murdered her mother and sister in a gruesome manner but you're censoring the word suicide?

[@CalebRota-fe7gn]

😢😢

[@ontexastime6690]

Sentences are too lenient.

[@SuperBotanica]

The mother's boyfriend is the eye-catcher

[@LichtAnker.]

He may not be a top model, but his heart is a thousand times more beautiful than yours. Idiot

[@erinnicole477]

They look related.... gross

[@Randyfarhi517]

The therapist commentator drives me freaking crazy. Can’t stand how she delivers her lines.

[@beverlylawyer2286]

Mom has boyfriend, spending her xtra time singing, helping others, maybe momtime should went to her daughter, not saying anything bad against mom or xcusing the kid

[@yeetnama9094]

Single moms for ya

[@sweetiepie3359]

We don't know how much time was spent with the daughter.

[@Tomboyy9818]

Excusing*

[@CrystalDMay]

Oh hush up about “early childhood trauma” being the cause. We do evil things if we are evil. Period. There are MILLIONS who grew up horribly abused, and are kind loving people.

[@anthonygibson9757]

You are ignorant and its ok if you dont understand

[@Iera_Thaumaturgy]

It is *often* the cause, it’s even proven that a kid or teen playing 20-30 minutes of a violent game, 61% of those kids their empathy has decreased, while kids who played regular games at least 80% had empathy and helped the person who was doing the test. same goes for traumas, violence, broken homes etc it can shape a child but it doesn’t always have to.

[@cyndywahalla2082]

BS!!!

[@marlbboro8091]

There is another video that describes Kim way better than this one. She was an awful human way before these murders.

[@Limeydawg-1973]

Nature is the gun, nurture is the bullets...

[@lmrharper3586]

Its so weird watching the excuses the psychologist makes for damage to the brain. Of course theres all sorts of life events that may lead to crime but we now know psychopaths are born not created.She was a psychopath and he was damaged an easily lead.

[@Iera_Thaumaturgy]

True psychopaths are born with behaviour issues (like wetting beds or other issues), killing / torturing animals. These kids were made.

[@MrMalvolio29]

Keri Nixon makes the most banal, obvious “professional” commentary

[@discobikerAndRosie]

Bullcorn. (The therapist/expert). I witnessed violence against my mother when i was a toddler. I was traumatized for decades. I've never had the desire to unalive someone. I'm the complete opposite of that. The girl has black eyes. Evil acts for evil hearts. They knew what rhey were doing.

[@bieberfrau6660]

Many abused children do not become murderers.

[@renatewoerner3298]

Always an excuse

[@ldub288]

I can't understand the man speaking, he sounds like he has peanut butter in his mouth😕

[@cristytinker3000]

That psychologist is ridiculous! Her sister went through the same homelife and didn't act like her. Her eyes are cold and evil.

[@WoundedWarrior2012]

The problem is these mental health professionals. There's no excuse. Those kids are plain evil.

[@SuperBotanica]

The mother was part of the problems due to her poor parenting style

[@naroseb2901]

That's NOT justice...

[@idasjafei6387]

Too many excuses given when something bad happened , blame here n blame there . Some kids r born evil . . . ..

[@iwant12cats]

No. They are not. No such thing as evil children. Just evil parents.

[@lynnetrathen4587]

Omg stop blaming their upbringing 🤬 these are just 2 pure evil kids and new exactly what they were gonna do. a psychs input can be total bullshit 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ I took my daughter to a psychiatrist yrs ago I explained exactly what was going on then they interviewed her the result was she can control her anger but chooses no to so in their eyes she was sent home 🤦🏻‍♀️ seriously wtf 🤬🤬 I now have no faith in them

[@joanne5428]

The daughter that killed has a sick look in her eyes, she was mentally unstable, I know someone that was beat by his father and had to watch his mom get beat , he didn’t become a killer

[@bieberfrau6660]

Stop making excuses. They just are bad people.

[@lucillekluivert343]

THIS WORLD NEED JESUS CAUSE ITS GETTING OUT OF HAND ,LORD WE NEED YOU LIKE NEVER BEFORE 🙏

[@elizethompson8627]

And people should keep promises made to each other and before God.

[@lucillekluivert343]

@@elizethompson8627 I AGREE WITH YOU

[@silvamaney8897]

Amen

[@D_Parks]

Jesus watched as these two were murdered

[@lucillekluivert343]

@@D_Parks MAYBE GOD WANTS TO USE U AS AN INTERCESSOR TO PRAY 🙏

[@lucillekluivert343]

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM THE ANCESTORS AND IT DESTROYS THE BLOODLINE FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION IT DOESNT MATTER IF YOUR A NONE CHRISTIAN BUT PRAYER IS IMPORTANT ,I COME FROM THE MOST EVIL AND DISFUNCTION HOME BUT I WOULD NEVER HURT A FLY BUT PEOPLE HURTED ME ALL TROUGH MY LIFE FROM THE AGO OF 0 ( INFANT ) AND THE ONE THAT DEALTH WITH THEM IS GOD MY FATHER ,PARENTS NEED TO PRAY FOR THEIR CHILDREN NO MATTER WHAT HOME YOU COME FROM PRAYER COST YOU NOTHING JUST A LITTLE TIME TO TALK WITH GOD

[@Griptis101-A.W.O.L]

Minute time stamp 17:11 where the female narrator says that “when his(Lucas)mother dies at 4 years old” so she was pregnant and reared him by age 4 and Lucas watched this so he was old enough when she died to know what was going on. Now, saying that I know what she meant but the way that she presented it sounded super strange and sounded like a 4yr old