The Starhawk looks cool, but is it a dumb Capital Ship? | Star Wars Lore

The Starhawk is undoubtedly a cool capital ship, but does it really make sense to take apart useful ships in the middle of a war? That's what we'll discuss!
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[@Traven158]

I had thought they used ISDs that were either too damaged or were still under construction to make the ships. Does canon really say that they took apart fully functional ISDs?

[@commissarklink6060]

The only books they're mentioned in currently isn't really specific. But in canon the New Republic's goal was 90% disarmament

[@pablog5374]

Yea that’s what I thought as well, take the extremely damaged one and those still in construction to make the Starhawk and not waste those in working conditions. I’m pretty sure fully functioning ISDs were converted to look more “rebel alliance” and less imperial like they did to the Corvus when it joined the alliance.

[@supershadow102007]

@@pablog5374 yeah cuz that would make more sense to me as well like you have a fully functioning ISDs but you have left over ISDs that are either too damaged or were still under construction well lets slap them together and make a new ship out of them boom starhawks, starhawks everywhere XD

[@splay4770]

@@supershadow102007 tbh that would make a lot of sense because after stuff like the battle of endor the new Republic would be able to easily find damaged star destroyers to rebuild into starhawks and it would also beef up the new Republic fleet making it easier to fight imperial reminents

[@silentdrew7636]

Most star destroyers weren't fully functional by Endor and the months following.

[@TrueSleepyHead]

“If it looks stupid but it works then its not stupid, but if it looks good but doesnt work then its stupid” - Sir Barkers Friend

[@wilemelliott]

43. If it's stupid and it works, it's still stupid and you're lucky. - The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercinaries

[@zachpayne3572]

Turning unfinished star destroyers to fight a ton of small battles with ISDs is VERY stupid

[@alientitimilk9073]

Who ever said that has never seen self destructing guns

[@badgerwijohnson4081]

If France could stomach using Panzer IV's and Panthers after WWII I think the New Republic would use Star Destroyers.

[@TheRezro]

Two things. I don't mind Republic using ISD parts to build new ships, but pretending that they didn't use ISD's at all. Is stupid.

[@The_D0RK_KNIGHT]

They did in Legends if I recall right

[@wilsthelimit]

The Dork Knight They did, one was the Mon Mathama Star Destroyer

[@theghostofjeffgoldblumdail9613]

The empire could’ve also used venators, they used them in the beginning but stopped later on even though, from what I know, there aren’t many improvements that could warrant replacing them completely

[@redacted4888]

@@nebraskabecause The French didn't build the Maus

[@crueldragon0]

I figured they were made out of 'destroyed' ISD's or maybe much older ones that were past their service life anyway. Also one of the Empires strengths was using slave labor for resource gathering en-mass. could be that the Star Hawk's required so much raw/processed material, that is was just easier to recycle the ISD's than establish new resource infrastructure which would most likely be difficult to do with more imperial facilities being liberated by the day after yavin

[@clone9159]

They were made out of unfinished ISDs

[@ethanpan2335]

Pretty sure that IS the canon.

[@CaptainM792]

I believe they weren’t made out of captured or damaged ISDs, maybe the New Republic captured some major star destroyer construction facility and found a large amount of star destroyer components laying around, so they come up with the Starhawk design and just started building them with the newly captured resources. Perhaps the Starhawk was designed to be able to construct easily, that you can build a Starhawk in less than a month with a team of around 100 workers.

[@seanp5600y]

That's what I thought

[@primal_guy1526]

It's like Germany during WW2 when they converted the Pz. 38 (t) factories to make the new Jagdpanzer 38 (t) or Hetzers. It wasn't really a direct upgrade or refit, it was more of they took advantage of the parts already being produced and decided to make a better tank with those parts.

[@primal_guy1526]

Also, Starhawks are massive, around twice the size of an ISD.

[@lukewallace7217]

That makes sense!

[@truthclaw5]

I like this.

[@brokensky2378]

Taking apart Star Destroyers can serve several purposes: 1. It gives the New Republic a new, strong capital ship with powerful components, that are clearly reliable and effective, with lots of materials that are widely available. 2. Fielding Star Destroyers is a BAD idea, both politically and militarily, as it doesn't fit into the New Republic's strategy, and also needs a lot of people to crew. Star Hawks can use their heavy armor to counter the Executors. 3. There are probably components left over from Star Destroyers in shipyards available. Jerryrigging from off-the-shelf components is a surprisingly common trend today even in the aerospace industry. The Star Hawk is an effective counter to ISDs and Executors.

[@rickykravitz374]

I do like the idea of them using left over components from captured ship yards or damaged star destroyers, but I don't agree with the fact that it doesn't fit into new republic strategy as the star destroyer could just as easily fit into a fleet as the star hawk or Mc-80 and I do think they could have reduced the crew size with other systems. Though I do like your reasons for why it would be a good idea for the star hawk to be used.

[@foujiz]

That's true during peace time, but when at war, you capture and use any material you can, especially when you face something like a faction that can field as many ships as the Empire.

[@Briggsby]

I agree. If you have 2-4 star destroyers that would require an entire rebuild to get running again, it would make some measure of sense to instead repurpose them into 1-2 new capital ships. It reduces the space you need to use at valuable shipyards, allows you to easily keep parts uniform across the fleet, etc. Also they look cool. That probably had something to do with it.

[@Radian333]

I'd like to add that eck's point about 'using their own weapon against them' is shadowed by the fact that the starhawks not only already do that but show that the new republic can take what they had and build something better with it - like they intend to do with the galaxy

[@samjames6714]

I feel like using Star Destroyers would probably give them a bad image in the public eye, given those are the ships that had been used for oppressing the galaxy over the past 20+ years

[@freekashyyyk896]

I always interpreted the star hawk being assembled from pieces taken off the ISD assembly line, not from already completed ISDs. I think this method, where you take finished components and pieces of ISDs and creating a better ship would be cheaper than finishing the construction of the ISD. The only thing i dont like about the starhawk is the front facing hanger imo

[@dlein93]

That's not a hanger, that's it's tractor beam array.

[@freekashyyyk896]

@@dlein93 oh really? my bad lol

[@communistpotato3204]

Easy mistake there, no prob

[@CallanElliott]

I still don't like the front, it's much too wide.

[@rudiruttger]

"the EU has a better handling of the post Endor years" as if that needed any repeating, lol.

[@Rampant16]

It really sucks because Disney had the chance to unify the variety of Legends material into one canon that would just work. Like with MCU and Marvel comics. They took a bunch of comics and made one story which most people really like, even if they skipped over a lot things.. The fact that the new SW canon stuff was not just going to be in movies and TV but also games, comic books, and novels should've made their job even easier in comparison to the MCU. Instead they created a story which is radically different than much of the Legends material and which is worse than the Legends stuff in pretty much every way. They had a shot and they totally blew it. At this point it is pretty clear that unlike with the MCU (where there was a lot of respect for the source material) nobody involved in the new post-Endor SW stuff has any respect for the massive amount of EU material developed over previous decades.

[@cgi2002]

Tbh both sides do a piss poor job in 1 part of it. The whole "endor" bit. How the rebellion fleet survives Endor straight up makes no sense regardless. They always use the whole "the loss of battle meditation" thing. Sure that would suck, except your still outgunned 10 to 1, your fleet is already nearly completely destroyed, all that would be left by the time the death star blew would be the Mon Cala cruisers, every other ship would have been shredded by star destroyers at point blank range.

[@moblinmajorgeneral]

@@cgi2002 I would imagine the disarray of Palpatine's death would've left the Imperial High Command unable to effectively coordinate a retreat away from the DSII's shockwave when it blew. Not to mention the immediate aftermath was infighting and Operation Cinder. Palpatine wanted to punish the Empire if it let him die. And then he came back when the galaxy was really far up its own ass trying to take by force what he once had by manipulation.

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

Of course it has

[@jamesnewcomer4939]

Really? I haven't even bought any European Star Wars novels!

[@Linkman95]

A year may seem short for design and production after Endor, but if I was the rebel alliance, and I needed capital ships, you can bet your ass I'd start from day one designing something like the Starhawk. I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't people working on an early Starhawk design before Yavin. Rebel forces are dependent on hit and run tactics. You can't really safely hold a lot of shipyards. Smash an ISD to pieces, put them together in the middle of nowhere, and boom, you got yourself a stew going.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Now that’s a big brain

[@silentdrew7636]

Don't forget that the year leading up to Endor were a constant string of imperial losses of supplies.

[@MWBalls]

My head canon is that the mon cals were working on the Starhawk before endor, possibly even years before.

[@michaelramon2411]

The Starhawk takes components that were readily available in the galaxy's supply chain and assembles them into something that exploits the main weaknesses of the Empire's primary warship. I think it is entirely reasonable that the Starhawk designs were complete before Endor and immediately put into service.

[@jackrutledgegoembel5896]

@@silentdrew7636 Source for that in Canon?

[@parzival5625]

Great Warship, ship was designed around existing lore, sad we didn’t get to see more of it in the sequels, Keep up the Great Work Ecks

[@neofulcrum5013]

Agreed

[@monteldublin1619]

Firewall movie

[@ExcaliburHeavyBattlecruiser]

Never thought the day would come when I'd see someone with the same pfp as me, but here we are.... **High fives TheAtlantean55** And yes I love the Starhawk as well!

[@rahul327]

We didn’t see jack shit in the sequels. We got an upgraded X-Wing, an upgraded Mon Cal cruiser, an upgraded Nebulon frigate, some awful heavy bombers, and some shuttles on the Resistance side

[@anth0am]

Now we'll see it in Star Wars Squadrons

[@commissarklink6060]

They'd probably been better off modifying the ISDs for increased crew automation and a hangar suited for rebel starfighters

[@TheRezro]

@Jonathan Salas Take a mind that it is BS, made up by teenagers who never actually read what happen in new canon. That absolutely did that. Though ISD's were too costly for regular operations, so only limited number stay in service after the war.

[@jtonguam]

Increased automation, get rid of the storm trooper detachment, put massive fighter bay in their place, add shields, and weapons emplacements to the aft and central area. Basically take all that they've learned works to take out an SD and put it in place to correct the issues. While fitting more with the rebel/new republic doctrine.

[@owenneufeld4922]

@Harlock1776 chuck wendig needs to stick to his hot takes on twitter and stay far far away from writing lore

[@commissarklink6060]

I don't blame Chuck Wendig, They had to make the New Republic retarded so they couldn't defend themselves against the First Order for the sequel trilogy

[@anthonylamonica8301]

Maybe add in some proper point-defense turrets?

[@paulsteinhauser434]

If you can reuse what the enemy cannot, that's being thrifty and efficient.

[@TKnightcrawler]

I think Eck's point is that reusing an ISD is much more efficient than tearing several apart and then reconstructing them. But of course, there are points to the contrary.

[@zachpayne3572]

@@TKnightcrawlereh, but looking at what they needed ships for overall, making New Republic Star Destroyers (NRSD) to fight ISDs in the ton of numerous small pitches fights seems like a poor economic trade. Destroyer vs Destroyer is too even a matchup. Winning is close so the ships need constant repairs from damage, and loosing obviously is bad. Why not instead make a the Starhawk for every 2 or 3 NRSD's you can make. However, Starhawks can stomp ISD's more reliably, and in much more unfair fights in the New republics favor. Less losses of resources and qualified crew overall

[@nofunpolice6132]

@@TKnightcrawler The problem is assuming they used functioning ones.

[@DatAsuna]

The starhawk always looked a lot like the Gravestone from SWTOR to me.

[@rebelfriend6759]

Never noticed that til now actually

[@darthnox7958]

Exactly man, it looks exactly like a a more recent version of it

[@darthnox7958]

But with less "armor" In the middle

[@Lorenzo-kh7or]

To me it looks like nebulon-B BIG BOY!!!!

[@christophergovan2136]

I see you’re a man of culture as well

[@antonioescobar847]

What Eck says about the Star Destroyer being symbols of fear sums up pretty nicely why the New Republic would use Starhawks. In canon the New Republic was really focused on their image and making sure they weren't perceived as the Empire (as seen with the disarmament act), so it would make sense for them to create their own ships just so people don't try and rise up against them.

[@thegamefur7330]

Yeah, and i know ecks says its 'poetic' and all, but not everyone in the galxy is a poet

[@sempermilites87]

Good point. I still have trouble taking it in though not because of the point itself, but in just how quickly and, "cut and dry," the civil war went after Endor. To me, there's no way that a civil war of a galactic level with thousands upon thousands of planets taking part would end so quickly, and tied with a nice neat bow, like they did in canon. It's probably my bias having a say in this, but logically, Legends does it way better because an entity as powerful as the Empire that has no emergency measures in place if the Emperor or Vader were killed would leave a HUGE power vacuum so large that it would be quite plausible of the Empire fracturing into many factions all staking a claim to the throne. I know why Disney had to do it this way, but it just feels way too much like two little kids playing with their toys and making up their story and not caring how crazy or illogical it ends up. Yes that's nice for kids, but for something like this franchise........eh.

[@Killzoneguy117]

Fear or not, war doesn't give you the luxury of image. If you look even at Syria or Libya for example, the Syrian and Libyan rebels would often use Russian and Soviet military equipment which they captured from the Russian-backed governments they would be fighting against. ISIS literally rolled around in American Humvees and Abrams tanks which they captured from the Iraqi Army. Insurrections aren't concerned with the aesthetic of their equipment, all they care about is that the equipment works and does it's job. To really put this in perspective, it was not at all unheard of of Israeli forces using Wehrmacht vehicles and small arms during the First Arab Israeli War or of both Nationalist and Communist forces in China to use Japanese tanks, planes and artillery to offset their own weaknesses in heavy weapons.

[@commissarklink6060]

@@sempermilites87 The biggest plot hole/ explanation for the Empires quicker demise is 75% of ISDs and presumably the Imperial fleet is lost captured or destroyed between Scarif and Endor Next there was no Operation Cinder in Legends to trigger mass defection/surrender Lastly most of the surviving Fleet ends up at Jakku for destruction or flight to become First Order. Whatever warlords in Disney are portrayed as having very limited resources a few ships and a planet or two. The writers are kind of forced to make everyone stupid by what's going to happen in the Sequel trilogy.

[@commissarklink6060]

@@Killzoneguy117 Yeah someone needs to tell Disney

[@casbot71]

It only makes sense if they used the broken parts of old ISD's as a mix and match.

[@infinitecanadian]

Yeah; I would prefer a designed-to-spec ship like the ISD rather than a kitbash, although the Starhawk is powerful.

[@jedibattlemasterkos]

Looks like a shinier version of the Gravestone from SWTOR to me.

[@k00lkidz4]

I clicked on the video thinking it was that 😂

[@rowansernel2798]

It seems to me that disney is doing quite a bit of that. Havent had an origonal idea since 2001

[@foust117]

Was about to comment the same thing, glad I wasn't the only one. Incoming video about Eck talking about Star Wars IP stealing from itself.

[@LiamCameron77]

Never really liked the design of the gravestone. Preferred how the Imp ships looked.

[@ivideodelmaestro4810]

That was a corvette

[@clone9159]

The Starhawks were made out of *unfinished* ISDs from captured Shipyards, those shipyards were payed hefty amounts and forced to turn these unbuilt Imperial ships into StarHawks

[@zachpayne3572]

I mean, economically... Starhawks feel like they would make more sense for the new republic before the battle of jakku. With small skirmishes everywhere, a new republic star destroyer vs an imperial star destroyer is too equal a matchup that could swing either way. I'd rather have a better ship that survives these engagements more reliably, reducing overall losses on average, saving crew and resources.

[@rascoehunter3608]

I always thought that the war went on 3 years after Endor. The rest of the Empire being destroyed in one year is ludricrous.

[@Jane_8319]

In legends it was closer to a decade

[@commissarklink6060]

@@Jane_8319 almost 2, Pellaeon surrendered 19 ABY

[@amransom26]

The Empire was still kicking for almost two decades, that was insane to me. 2-3 years would be a better number. One year is way too short but a decade-plus is ridiculous.

[@StrohZwerg]

Sounds much more plausible. Kind of sad, because this conflict would offer much content for video games, etc.

[@stargatecommand714]

Not entirely, not when you take into consideration that Palpatine's Contingency was intended to be a giant scorched earth campaign

[@HarlequinDaniel]

The Alliance using ISD sends a bad message - “meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.

[@wilemelliott]

so...move the bridge, reconfigure the defenses, and boom, you have a different ship class that is still an ISD, but doesn't look like one, instead of a kluge. I just had a mental image of an ISD with a ventrally mounted bridge tower that is mostly for starfighter operations...

[@joedrumm5239]

@@wilemelliott you have to distance yourself from the saber (sith) silhouette. All imperial ships have some of the saber element to them, distance from this design is huge for optics. Not just the bridge, the whole ship.

[@notablegoat]

There might be a minority of humans who would think that way, but generally people know weapons of war are weapons of war. Nobody would give a shit as long as their side won. I say "humans" because aliens obviously would have different psychology

[@codyallen2838]

@@notablegoat image is incredibly important. Especially in wartime, for morale and differentiation clearly seen by the general public. Not to be taken for granted, it can win or lose wars.

[@Rampant16]

IRL different pieces of military equipment used by oppressive regimes continued to be used after the regimes collapsed. For example, after Nazis Germany was defeated West Germany federal police forces used either actual Wehrmacht equipment or reproductions of Wehrmacht equipment for decades. Including, the Stahlhelm helmet, arguably the most recognizable piece of equipment worn by German troops during the war. Not exactly a situation which is translates one-to-one into Star Wars. However, given how the Empire is a lot like Nazis Germany in space, one would think the downfall of that regime would be a key source of inspiration for writers/filmmakers/game designers fleshing out the downfall of the Empire.

[@madrabbit9007]

The only way it makes sense is that it was built from damaged SD’s that had salvaged over the years or they were in Imperial scrap yards due to heavy damage. Only an idiot would break up three good ships to build just one.

[@commissarklink6060]

No it makes sense from the point of the New Republic wanting to demilitarize the galaxy so the first/final order would have an easier time taking over the galaxy in 30 years.

[@N120Xeno]

The ISD while a good tank of a ship it’s infamous for its many glaring weaknesses. For instance the exposed bridges, very exposed shields, unprotected main reactor. I would take one starhawk over two ISD’s.

[@TheRezro]

@@commissarklink6060 They were build from ISD's in construction. So don't spread fake memes about stuff you don't understand 0_0

[@spartanalex9006]

@@N120Xeno That's a fix for a good refit/retrofit. Not full scrapping and recycling. USS Enterprise (CVN-65) was the World's first nuclear powered carrier. It was horribly flawed because when the USN did a full powered engine test, it caused major damage to the ship's propulsion system. However, she wasn't dismantled to build the first Nimitz class ships, she was retrofitted in the 70s and was repaired, in that configuration she became the second longest serving ship in the US Navy at 51 years at the time of her decommissioning.

[@zachpayne3572]

@@spartanalex9006 yeah, but it was using unfinished star destroyers for the most part that were scrapped according to new canon. These are not refits but, if you are going to have to dismantle unfinished star destroyers to complete other star destroyers... the new republic is left with a few functional destroyers, instead of the apparently superior ship class of the Starhawk. The fights before Jakku, were small engagements of 2 or 3 ISDs and support ships scattered across the galaxy. If your the new republic with your fleet spread thin as it is, using NRSD's to engage ISDs economically might be unfavorable due to the parody of the ship classes. Even giving an edge to the New Republic due to better star fighters and other small advantages, say you lost 1 NRSD for every 3 ISD's and that's an unsavory loss of a combat ship and crew life (not to mention other New republic ships that would be constantly lost due to the engagement of other ISDs). But if instead, you use the smaller number of Starhawks you would get from scrapping destroyers, you now have a ship that, if properly supported, can engage these small skirmishes with small Imperial remnent fleets with much more favorable battlefield losses. (Maybe 1 Starhawk lost for every 10 ISD's defeated for a lowballed number)

[@Meioh2000]

I'd still think the optics still play a big role with the Starhawk. Sure, in war you take what you can get and using the ISDs is functionally still vital tactic. But to the people that were liberated and as a morale killer to the Imperials, taking the backbone, the symbol of the Imperial fleet, and converting it to a a larger, more powerful ship shows the "tide has turned" and now the New Republic is on the offensive, it shows they're in command and they have the high ground...

[@swisswizard7177]

I share your opinion, the ISD is just a symbol of tyranny and the New Republic wanted to be seen diffrent from the empire

[@NateLeePhillips]

The Starhawk looks like a gigantic Nebulon-B Frigate, which was a medical frigate. If you consider the optics of a warship resembling a medical frigate, it evokes a "We're fighting to heal the wounds left by the Empire"

[@spencersholden]

Th Starhawk would work really well in Legends. And if the Galactic Civil had lasted longer in Canon they would have had more time to logically build them.

[@sugdolomar]

Imagine them participating in the Thrawn campaign?

[@Drave_Jr.]

@@sugdolomar Honestly, they would be really interesting, since the Starhawk is a battlecruiser, and able to go toe to toe with ISDs. They would be one of the main things Thrawn would target, especially since they can screw up fleet formations.

[@gravemindpenis]

Empire: Nooo you can’t just destroy our ships that took decades of previous ship doctrine to create and tax payers’ money and make a new ship out of it in one year New Republic: Haha the last Super Star destroy go boom

[@ImperativeGames]

The thing is, creating a new ship would take decades. Only people without any knowledge about engineering could assume that designing a ship is just drawing how it looks in SW_Photoshop.

[@commissarklink6060]

Remember the Eclipse

[@delos9940]

@Harlock1776 If only Episode IX followed Colin Trevorrow's script; it would've been converted into or served as a base template for the Eclipse-class.

[@zachpayne3572]

@@ImperativeGames I would not be surprised if the Rebellion and Mon Calamari had blueprints and designs for next gen starships and were sitting on them due to lack of material and funds. A bunch of unfinished star destroyers is a nice huge chunk of raw and refined material

[@ImperativeGames]

@@zachpayne3572 That's actually similar to the building construction. Picture it in your head: creating plans for the new building, with the idea in mind that you will deconstruct existing buildings - as soon as you capture them. - It's theoretically possible, but only if you deconstruct the buildings to the smallest objects possible, like bricks. Starting from the top of course, and getting the right machinery first. And you need very good plans for every building you deconstruct. And you have to throw out a lot of resources. - Only a stupid and uneducated (or crazy) leader would order that.

[@stephanstofberg8643]

To be honest I think that with the number of planets in the Star Wars galaxy vs the amount of ISDs (25000 I believe) most people in the galaxy probably have never even seen an ISD hovering over their planet or doing anything overt against the ordinary people. I think the Arquitens or TIE variants or other more numerous ships would be more asociated with the Empire and supression. Saying that the ISD was a symbol of the Empire would be like saying the Dreadnought and subsequent big-gun battleships would only be symbolic of the British Empire. It's not because everyone else saw the design as the next step in ship development and copied them. The same could have logically happened with the NR, but unfortunately the new canon of post Endor is bereft of a lot of internal logic and consistancy.

[@StacheMan26]

Taking apart functional, if inefficient within your doctrine, ISDs to make a Starhawk? Yeah, no. Save that for after the peace when you've got hundreds or even thousands of them laying around in mothball or working their way towards the ship breakers. Capture an outlying Imperial shipyard with a half dozen ISDs in various stages of completion or repair, that are now cut off from the supply of parts needed to finish them? Or scavenge a bunch of half wrecked ISDs from the site of the latest major fleet action? Now there I can see the logic of turning them into a Starhawk. Especially if you cannibalize as many working star destroyers out of it first, before welding whatever's left together until you get something vaguely resembling a warship.

[@Wien1938]

The short answer is that the StarHawk is a plot device for one battle (Jakku). In other words, Aftermath is junk.

[@Rampant16]

IRL it's not easy to take a bunch of other ships apart to make one other ship. The US navy can't take apart it's old destroyers and suddenly build an aircraft carrier out of the parts. Sure reusing components saves time on manufacturing but just figuring out how to fit all these parts together would be a nightmare. I'd think it'd be a lot easier to just start from scratch on a design than to start with a bunch of scraps. Refits, even major ones are a real thing. Ships can get cut in half and have hundreds of feet added on but Starhawk is so radically different than a ISD that a refit just wouldn't do.

[@TankHunter678]

@@Rampant16 The US Navy and the IJN back in WW2 would commonly take old battleships and convert them into carriers. This worked well as largely both ship classes were roughly the same size to begin with. Conversion was largely take the turrets off, take the superstructure off, and then build the new superstructure with flight deck and new command tower. ISD to Starhawk was probably not that hard, if you look at how ISDs were typically depicted being assembled they were built in blocks, coming to their final shape when the outer armor was assembled. Looking at the pictures of Starhawks being assembled and really the only custom work that needed to be done was the exterior. All the internal components blocks salvaged from ISDs would have easily been assembled around the new skeleton. And when you have taken control of the orbital shipyards with a bunch of partially assembled ISDs or a bunch of prefab component blocks set up for the construction of the next ISD then repurposing is easy.

[@janix5929]

This would be fine if there was more New Republic ships in canon.

[@JKSSubstandard]

There are only 3 starhawks at Jakku because thats all the new republic has managed to cobble together at that point

[@amiruddin585]

@@JKSSubstandard And two of them destroyed. But they helped turn the tide battle of Jakku.

[@NinjaTyler]

JKSSubstandard they meant more ship types the new republic seriously lacks any interesting new ships only really having the starhawks

[@friedrice7876]

NinjaTyler MC85 tho

[@isaackim7675]

I’d pay good money if the Starhawks show up in the new game

[@type_s_tyler7547]

Just had a thought, it took them 3ish years to write the aftermath trilogy. It took the empire in universe time 1 year to collapse. It took longer to write the book then for the actual collapse of an empire...

[@itspumpkin276]

It looks cool doesn’t that make it an effective capital ship by the tarkin doctrine

[@dermoderneilluminat1545]

Tarkin doctrine is shit though so that isnt really a problem

[@realmofmusic5828]

yes

[@Stingra87]

Tarkin Doctrine was for policing planets and subjugating populations from a unassailable position of power. It wasn't built to engage in actual war. The Empire was a police state with the equipment and mindset that each planet was a prison and each individual on it an inmate. It was not designed or fit to fit in any kind of conflict that was more than one-sided.

[@theonewingedangel8680]

No. The tarkin doctrine requires you to be imposing and/or scary. You’re thinking of the lesser known heroes’ doctrine, where if your ship looks cool, the one piloted by your heroes will surmount any and all challenges placed before it.

[@zachpayne3572]

I mean, wasn't the reason that the empire losing ships hand over fist was Galius Rax was feeding the new Republic the weakest and most corrupt elements of the Imperial Fleet to keep them occupied as he arranged his true plans in secret? That's a lot of destroyed IMPs, that could be turned into Starhawks.... I'd also argue that there is a real perk to using these parts of badly damaged and destroyed IMP's to make a superior ship in most 1 on 1, or even 1 on 3 engagements with the imperial remnant. Having these new bruisers at the forefront of your war against the remnent would reduce loss of life and ships as Blockade Runners and Liberty Class Mon calamari cruisers would be inevitably destroyed from so much open fights with ISDs. The new Republic probably hoped that the Starhawk, when properly supported, would provide a way to win what they thought were the majority of fights (the constant individual skirmishes with one or two isds and support ships). Ragardless, keep up the great work Eck

[@siva4wotblitzhero531]

Hera is in Command of an Acclamator!?! Thats super Cool

[@dylanwight5764]

"Commander! Unknown contact just appeared on our scopes!" "Prepare to launch fighters and order our escorts to form a battle line." "Sir, the ship..." "Yes, ensign? Is there something to report?" "No sir. It's just this ship... they're not moving to attack." "Then what _are_ they doing, ensign?" "They're not doing anything, sir. It seems they're just... vibing." *Meanwhile, in the enemy fleet **_The Last Laser Master_** plays in the background* "And, hic, and then I gave Artoo that cool two-finger salute. You know the one? Like a little, hic, little flick with ah, with two fingers. Looked dope. I think Jabba thought it was dope anyway. I dunno, one of his bros tried to push me off the diving board after that. Man, that was a rad pool party!" "That's great, master, but what about those First Order ships?" "Ah forget about them and pour yourself another drink! Hey, Threepio! I got a _great_ idea for a prank! Hail them and put them on speakers. They're on? Cool!" *static noises* "Hey, ah, hey mister Hux? Admiral Hux? You there? Hey man, it's me ya boi, Luke Skywalker! Sorry about that time with the sand crawler and your shuttle over Jakku. I don't even know how those Jawas got into orbit! Anyway, did ya, did ya want me to send over a bottle of the good stuff? Found whole cellars of it on Ahch-To. Been a crazy few years, hey? How ya doing, man? Still getting your ass stomped by that prissy nephew of mine? YOU HEAR THAT BEN??? YOU'RE A TWAT! I'm sorry, that was mean. Gonna... gonna go lie down for a while I think. Oh yeah, one of your ships might be on fire as well. Those Jawas, they get everywhere, I tell ya..."

[@amazoncouch7116]

What have I just read

[@treopl]

The design reminds me of the Gravestone from SWTOR.

[@enriquegomez3605]

I thought it was the gravestone in the thumbnail

[@neofulcrum5013]

That’s what I said when it was first introduced lol

[@emperorholocron8278]

Thank you!

[@5000cz]

The starhawk just seems like a smaller version of the Gravestone from the Old republic

[@phoenixraider42]

the Gravestone was small, maybe corvette or frigate size

[@drinkeroftea]

Theory: they had to cannibalize some captured ISD’s for parts to maintain the ones they chose to crew. Some parts and hull segments weren’t needed as often, so they started kitbashing the leftovers to make new designs. Maybe also a dash of something something captured Kuat Drive Yard concepts something to handwave the short development time, even if you were to claim the ships at Jakku were prototypes. That theory does depend on shield bulbs, for example, being less critical of salvage items than, say, sublight drive or hyperdrive parts.

[@ZackarySchejbalCODBO2RGM2]

My theory is the New Republic used the spoils from the Battle Of Kuat

[@gabe_of_gold6991]

Thank you for putting so much effort into all of your videos, it really shows!

[@scytheseven9173]

I always figured the Starhawk was a way of turning unfinished, old, and/or damaged ISDs into a working capital ship, without just creating more ISDs (which, while powerful, were something the Imperial Remnant factions were very familiar with, and also had a lot of flaws and weaknesses). My guess is that 1 Starhawk is a more valuable asset to the New Republic than 2 ISDs would be, also, but not to the degree that it would justify the work in scrapping "pristine" ISDs to make them.

[@PHILeeOPE]

Notification Squad: get in the robot

[@kimarykorlumiose7728]

"but father, I don't want to get into the robot!"

[@lordfrostwind3151]

*whiny Shinji noises*

[@PHILeeOPE]

Ritsuko is best girl

[@SeveralWeezelsInaTrenchcoat]

Me: *read the comment* Also me: *Evangelion flashback* Still me: *confused third impact style screams*

[@PHILeeOPE]

Federico Del Sarto *congratulations*

[@damoncyphers]

Disney cannon is such a mess, I always thought that they used damaged star destroyers to create these ships as it really would make alot more sense to do so then just wasting time and resources scrapping a perfectly good ship to make another ship but hey it's Disney so it's a Micky mouse operation anyway

[@commissarklink6060]

In canon the New Republic's goal was 90% disarmament

[@DigiPen92]

@Jonathan Salas It was suppose to be show how allot of non-Empire supporting people wanted Peace for a longtime since they had been in war for around 25 years and they didn't expect First Order came from secret and get blown up by First Order's Starkiller Base since the universe is really large.

[@TheRezro]

"I always thought that they used damaged star destroyers" Because they did.

[@TheRezro]

@Jonathan Salas They aren't. They move funds and equipment to local militia. Not throw ISD's on sun. But edgy teens would spread they lies anyway.

[@NinjaTyler]

TheRezro can’t exactly call us edgy teens when the aweful sequels show us how much of a failure the new republic is and hat there was no planets with militias

[@nickraupp6104]

Good job integrating the new trailer footage already! I always take discussions about what's realistic within Star Wars with a massive dose of salt. Consistency and coolness are about all I care about, so and the Starhawk is cool.

[@jacobwebster2277]

Also just wanted to say I love your vids man keep it up

[@Lunar137]

*bashes through door* "Phew, made it under 50 comments! Let's starts the show."

[@michaeldougherty2807]

Built from Endor salvage makes sense, tearing apart functional ships with a war still going on doesn't.

[@zachpayne3572]

New canon never said functional. They were unfinished ISD's in shipyards. Essentially destroyer husks, and getting the material to finish them was too expensive.

[@swisswizard7177]

Do you think that a group of people want to us a ship that resemblance tiranny and fear? The last problem they want is that the people of the galaxy think they are just the same as the Empire.

[@noneed4me2n7]

Man legends had some well thought out world building post RotJ. It's incremental evolution of designs and fleet composition was really interesting to read about. Thanks Eck for bringing up these topics as it's just the nerdy type of discussion I like.

[@matthewstockhausen]

Star wars recently has turned in to lets introduce this interesting idea. after trying to figure out a way to execute the idea. the execution ends up failing as there was no plan on how to explain it. the explanation in the end either ends up being extremely vague, makes no sense, or just falls flat.

[@ElectromagNick]

I kind of despise the Starhawk design. I was really disappointed that they took _that_ long to deliver a design of it, and it came out looking like that.

[@mtp0304]

Bro the design isn’t even original. Look at the gravestone from SWTOR

[@ElectromagNick]

@@mtp0304 ...Oh my god, it's a worse gravestone.

[@uncleqrow5941]

I love the idea of the New Republic using them and then turning them into star Hawks after the war

[@realmofmusic5828]

I hope Eck gets to one million subs. He deserves it

[@gorilly3023]

One year is not that long, but the Clone Wars was only three years and saw huge developments and construction short periods of time. Keep in mind that apart from the potential infighting, a lot of the core world fleets were held back by the provisional government and pretty much became bargaining chips when they made peace. The forces towards the outer rim eventually established a more unified leadership, but between the chaos of operation cinder and the lack of a clear command chain it would have been easy for the organised rebellion to ambush them and cripple their supply chains.

[@patrickdonovan2323]

Star Wars legends: only a few things to disagree about, you can link most of the content together with lots of new ships Star Wars Disney canon: illogical but here, have one new capital ship that only took one year to design, produce prototypes, allocate the resources, take shipyards, disassemble some star destroyers, and assemble the new ship without any noticeable flaws

[@stargatecommand714]

A few things? Lmao

[@silentdrew7636]

One year? They had four since Yavin to get working.

[@amransom26]

A few? That’s a stretch my dude 😂 there were plentyyyy of ridiculous, and even idiotic shit in Legends.

[@NinjaTyler]

Silent Drew no they didn’t the rebellion didn’t make this the new republic did

[@NinjaTyler]

Andre Ransom not really since certain stuff people point out half the time as flaws wasn’t even canon like the old marvel comics or the what if scenarios, wasn’t really til stuff like palpatines return and the new Jedi order books when thins started getting out of hand

[@GreenDragonReviews]

Looks like a giant rip off of the Gravestone from The Old Republic

[@siebecools4700]

I was thinking the same

[@eoftar3192]

I was about to say that :) Good thing I am not the only one who actually has eyes xD

[@aikesh]

It does

[@orbaitv5991]

Nah the gravestone was diffrent

[@siebecools4700]

@@orbaitv5991 well yeah, but you gotta admit it looks like the gravestone

[@Straswa]

Nice vid Eckhart! As others in the comments said, the Starhawk reminds me of Swtor's Gravestone.

[@kumardias9348]

I liked the advantages and disadvantages you listed in this video.

[@JohnNathanShopper]

Legends had a perfect examination of the post-Endor war, with the scrappy rebel starfighter pilots skirmishing the Imperials to attrition and slowly becoming a dominant bureaucracy. Disney really messed it up.

[@stargatecommand714]

Palpatine's Contingency plan explains it quite nicely

[@JohnNathanShopper]

VtotheAtotheDER ReconstructingTheDeathStar yes, but that means the Eternal Sith fleet should have consisted of hidden old I,Petipa star destroyers.

[@comradejenkins993]

What about the droid attack on the Wookies?

[@potatojuice5124]

God damn it I knew this would be here

[@colinparham8255]

“Thrashes a Star Destroyer through a asteroid field” XD

[@artorianfilms]

Something that might be fun for a community thing or art challenge or whatever is a full movie based on the choices of one. It introduces the chimera (I think I could be wrong) and it may introduce mara Jade (again I could be wrong). It also talks about threats from the unknown regions (other than the yuzang vong) and is really interesting. It’s also a good read

[@theciaoftheinternet2984]

When there’s no views and yet lots of comments: Hmmmmmmmm

[@battlefieldcustoms873]

its hella people going *fIRsT*

[@XLjackbot]

To be honest the Aftermath trilogy really should just be ignored or overruled at this point. It is a terrible book and while it has some okay ideas they are executed really poorly.

[@Wien1938]

Bad writer not overseen properly.

[@dillonstanley796]

Be nice, but Jakku was clearly meant to be a centerpiece for this era. Disney isn't gonna disassemble that under any circumstances.

[@ruefio]

Earlier, I remember an explanation that had the Starhawks constructed out of salvaged pieces of ISD's. They were a standardized pattern for making ships out of hulls roughly 40 - 60% intact.

[@akeemweaverwebster2762]

I know I’m out of the box with the topic of Star Wars ships. BUT that ending with you and your dog cured my depression 🤣🥰 I watch your videos and subscribe to your channel just for the pleasure of you petting your dog like that at the end of your video❤️

[@razvandobos9759]

Legends will always be Canon.

[@StrohZwerg]

past me when decanonization of the EU was announced: Well, at least they have a blank sheet to tell really cool, really new stories.. Sequel Trilogy: everything is a lame copy of what had been before.. + a time frame of 30 years where seemingly almost nothing happened..

[@VGLounge]

"Legends" is a buzz word created by Disney to acknowledge those things as not canon. Instead of "Legends" say pre-Disney.

[@casbot71]

In universe, the New Republic should have just done upgrades of captured ISD's, get the Mon Calamari to fix the shield vulnerability and add in their targeting sensors as well - which will enable Turbolasers to tag snubfighters like they were Lasercannons. Add in more dedicated Lasercannons as well. A change of mission profile will help as well, no longer carry a deployable base and massive ground forces inside and that frees up a lot of capacity. Which can be used to carry and service snubfighters or utilised for extra upgrades like more power for systems and maybe carrying a _lot_ of missiles. And fix the bridge by making an internal bridge and using the current bridge location as a very heavy weapons mount with 360° coverage - although that would be a major refit and take longer. Give it a quick paint job in Rebel Alliance colours and away you go.

[@nippon19]

I LIKE the doggo outro

[@sneakytaze5336]

I love the content, keep it up! Watching at 03:00 am.

[@keithkania3810]

I’d say the Starkhawk is the New Republic’s answer needing to actively remove the imperial presence across through conventional battles rather than the hit-and-run tactics of the rebellion. It also directly counters star destroyers which are the flagship of the Imperial-fist; not only ruining the imperial remnants militarily but also symbolically as it shows the galaxy that they have little to fear from the Empire anymore.

[@Obiwan7100]

Will the resistance do the same to the Resurgent-class Star Destroyer, destroying them and building a bigger and more advanced Starhawk MK.3 after the events of Episode IX?

[@Obiwan7100]

Starhawks are 60% more massive than an Imperial-class. Following this logic of Size, a Starhawk mk3 will have more than 4,600 meters.

[@Raven-ne9cg]

Thanks for bringing this to light lol

[@mata6669]

I cant remember where I read this but I thought Starhawks were made from ISD parts. Once the Republic got hold of former imperial shipyards, there were a lot of ISD spare parts left in the logistic chain. Instead of scrapping them all out, the Republic designed a new ship that used many of the leftover resources. It recycled parts and saved years of R&D reinventing a "brand new" ship.

[@toon_cosplay_guy7930]

love the doggy end bit

[@SystemZ3RO]

My going hypnosis is the rebels at some point were able to capture a shipyard where server ISDs where docked or a scrap yard (Such as the one see in Fallen Order) and Frankenstein'ed the Star Hawk with other tech the Rebels had in the works. Kind of how they showed in Rebels how they got the Y-Wings from the Empire that where in the middle of being decommissioned. It would also be interesting if other Star Hawks had different looks based on this idea, basically making them the Uglies of capital ships.

[@Hanoua2]

I don't know if its done on purpose but the Starhawk desing reminds me of the Hammerhead corvet from the Old Republic, so in a sense it's kind of symbolic how the rebels put an end to the empire and with it, they create an NEW hammerhead desing for a NEW republic with the remain of the empire

[@Panda0994]

I love the doge part at the end

[@somethingwitty9]

While I do think it is inspiring to see the thing that once terrorized you now liberating you. The one thing better than that for me would be seeing the thing that terrorized you captured ripped to pieces and turned into a murder machine like the starhawk.

[@Mechfan666]

I have a mod for Empire at War that adds a bunch of post battle of endor ships, and as cool as a lot of them are, there's just something awesome about seeing ISDs with giant Rebel Alliance symbols painted on them.

[@canisblack]

I have to wonder if the Starhawk was something that the Alliance had already designed and had started to put some together with stolen components and then got a windfall of parts that could be used to complete them quickly.

[@frostpuma304]

I read somewhere that the ISDs they used to build Starhawks were ones that were destined for the scrapyard anyway.

[@Lohnstar_]

The Aftermath novel describes the New Republic also using IDS they boarded and took over, also one being taken over by a Pirate Crew

[@usagihunter101]

So, one important thing to consider is how the New Republic acquired those Star Destroyers; considering the amount of punishment it typically takes to put down something like an ISD, it could be that Starhawks are assembled using whatever is still intact from multiple Star Destroyers too blasted apart to individually repair for combat service; the reactor and bridge components from an ISD torn in half by a proton torpedo here, the turbolaser batteries from a couple of ISD wrecks there, the point defense batteries and tractor beam projectors from the bow of a ISD who's reactor went critical and slagged the rear-half of the ship, all assembled from whatever durasteel plating they could recover from all four wrecks. I would have to assume the New Republic would be more than happy to put an intact and operational ISD into service, but in order to do that they have to be able to take an ISD that's still intact and operational.

[@sirbobbyuk]

I agree with your analysis regarding captured start destroyers and stripping and making a new capital ship from the parts. Instead of repair the star destroyers and putting them back into service. The other thing is if the Starhawks only role is is to destabilise an imperial star destroyer orbit then its not considered a multiple role vessel.

[@sasukesarutobi3862]

Optics and propaganda can actually be very powerful in wartime - they can undermine or bolster morale on either side, and that can be enough to turn decisive conflicts.

[@mitchcoleman1238]

I also agree the symbolism argument, I would argue that there was a time how ever long ago that the ISD style ships were seen as a sign of hope to a lot of outer rim worlds so maybe the rebels wanted to make repairs to the Star destroyers’ reputation. Great great great video by the way!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@TheRezro]

It is a horrible argument.

[@ethanroberts2658]

i noticed a detail that pin points when the game takes place post endor .as the fact we see lots of Arquitens-class cruisers tells us this takes place before aftermath life debt as in Battlefront 2 Ralsius Paldora notes they are now a rare sight and that was the prequel to its events

[@Stellar001100]

The Starhawk just seems like a vengeful Nebulon-B that went to the gym and now benches super star destroyers.

[@juhrig5120]

Yeet noice vid will you be doing vids on the new ea squadron game

[@justinharper1859]

I can't wait till we get more details on star halk so we can see all the VS videos

[@nathanielhulley]

Total agree the time from Endor to Jakku is very short, which makes it hard believe... unless of course the Starhawk was in development before Endor?

[@actionhummingbird2318]

The answer is Kuat Drive Yards. The starhawk is essentially the capital ship size version of the Nebulon series frigates. Kuat Drive Yards was not only a major manufacturing facility for standard ISD ships, they are also responsible for the nebulon series of ships. My guess is the new Republic took control of Kuat and either found the starhawk designs, or were able to easily upscale the nebulon into a capital ship by using the ISD parts already available at Kuat. This would have allowed them to utilize a stockpile of standardized ISD components without ruining any captured ships, and would also possibly account for the truncated time period between battles and the appearance of this new capital ship.

[@greyborn2213]

One explanation I can see for the Starhawk is that the Rebel Alliance/fledgling New Republic is, as you pointed out, significantly smaller and undermanned compared to even the Imperial Remnants. They wouldnt necessarily have the crew sizes necessary to field entire fleets of ISD's - but, by scrapping a few damaged ones they may have captured and combining them into a single vessel they could hypothetically make fewer but stronger ships that dont require a crew in the hundreds just to fly.

[@richyhu2042]

My personal headcanon rewrite for this has the Starhawk sort of follow the Jaeger development from Pacific Rim. Basically it started way before Endor when the rebels were still scavenging what they could and of course, they'd come across old SDs either as floating hulks or whatever. Maybe some older Venators. Now the rebels didn't have access to Kuat Driveyards so they mostly scrapped what they came across. The original SH design was from a bored engineer that was doodling, a higher up happened to noticed the drawing and saw some promising usage out of the hulks they already knew where around. The ones after the battle of Jakku are basically like "propaganda pieces" that look pretty on the outside and had its flashiest bits working but everything else was a jurry rigging nightmare to give MacGyver a seizure. This is mostly because the rebels had to refit and combine all of these broken ISDs into the SH with much more limited facilities.

[@Lndmk227]

Here's a thought. Following the battle of Yavin, many worlds of the galaxy were inspired to join the Alliance, or at least grew sympathetic. Rendili could have been one such faction, pretending to remain indifferent on the surface, but secretly holding the Starhawk in its back pocket, depending on how the Civil War turned out. As Endor crept closer and the Rebellion spread, Rendili began putting the finishing touches on the plans, and as the war drew to a close, and with Imperial defections on the rise, the first few Starhawks were coming off the line just in time for the battle of Jakku.

[@tennoshenaniganizer9234]

The fact that the nebula destroyer still isn't canon is the ultimate sin

[@davidwiman7850]

Keep up the good content

[@theoncomingdork]

think it's also important to realise that the ISD-I was about 25 years old by this point and the tech was probably outdated. it probably made more sense to completely rebuild the systems in a new ship with salvaged components than to try and modify the systems of an Imperial ship. also arguably the New Republic knew they probably would have trouble in direct fleet battles with Imperial navies and would instead favour uncomventional tactics rather than just trying to slug it out; thus, the tractor beam, which could literally pull a ship out of orbit or immobilise other capital ships so starfighters could wreak havoc.

[@alexandercoletti1664]

If the ISD where partly destroyed, or past their service life then yes I could see the reason why the build the star hawk, but if they took fully functional ISD that could have just as, or more easily tweaked or added a paint job then that is just the New Republic being cocky. Either way it seems a little odd that they came up with this new ship design and constructed a few ships so soon after endor, it should have taken them a lot longer to do these things.

[@battlefieldcustoms873]

The era that you are talking about post Endor would be fantastic for writers to create incredible almost “wild fire” like tactics between people losing their minds Imperial supporters and the scrambling new republic. That would make a great couple movies honestly. with the Rouge One feel

[@greypaladin4560]

Tbh, the Empire being destroyed a year after Endor is waaaay to fast. The whole system's ideology would have definitely resulted in panic, fracturing, and a whole lot of infighting with their command structure fractured. Throw in the growing Rebellion and the resulting war that would erupt probably would have dwarfed the Clone Wars. (Not to mention the Empire fleeing the Galaxy seems like a very cowardly move for a system built upon its image of dominance). It would have made much more sense if the Empire had fractured after Endor and whittled itself down in a crazy galactic civil war for years until Jakku cemented the Alliance as the preeminent power of the Galaxy. Then, tired of fighting and with most of their more violent leaders dead from the fighting the Empire fragments basically surrendered to or joined the Alliance and were either absorbed into it or disbanded as the galaxy began cleaning up and rebuilding. Leaving whomever wanted to keep fighting to flee the known galaxy and eventually become the First Order. I think the sequel trilogy would have been much more interesting if instead of the bland SW galaxy that was basically the same as it was before it was instead set in a galaxy rebuilding itself after years or decades of war. With the New Galactic Republic controlling most of the galaxy, tentatively allied with the remaining Imperial remnants that had not reintegrated. The First Order could then come in, fracture the republic with their Starkiller Base (tm), and reignite the conflict as it allies with or absorbs the Imperial remnants and tries rebuild the Empire. That, would have been far more interesting than the uninspired worldbuilding of the sequels.

[@Aaaa-dt4qg]

1. The starhawk may be more suited to the Hit-And-Run tactics of the Alliance than a stardestroyer is. Heavy forward firepower and bulk would be best suited for this type of strategy, rather than the spread out nature of ISDs. 2. A heavy tractor beam would be capable of: Disrupting enemy formations, pinning (and thus preventing any escape) target vessels, capturing resources. For a fledgeling state such as the Alliance, such technology makes perfect sense. They simply lacked the resource gathering capacity of the Empire and the infrastructure to utilize those resources in the same manner. 3. In hit and run tactics, your legs are perhaps your most vital tool. The shape of the Starhawk seems to be aware of this, offering a great degree of protection from the front (and from the sides as it appears to be capable for broadside combat as well.) 4. It's a great usage of spare/obsolete/scuttled ISD's that otherwise may not be best suited for combat or even capable of it anymore. 5. The ISD was a bad design in the first place with a lot of weaknesses that could be exploited and were CERTAINLY known in better detail by the Empire. A smart commander would be able to exploit this familiarity and potentially get an edge of the (likely) not as familiar rebel crews. The Starhawk seems to remove most of these weaknesses and where it doesn't, it adds redundancy. 6. Morale is everything. These ships were more imposing, they were new, and they were powerful. Imagine already losing hope as your empire was collapsing, and then running into a monster of a ship you have never seen before that outmatched you in every single way. You can't even run since it's got you pinned in its' tractor beam. If they offered you the chance to surrender it would be a LOT more tempting now. 7. These could be optimized for less manpower. the Home-1 had 5000 crew, the ISD 2 had 36,000, despite similar volume. Remember, the doctrine of the Alliance is quality over quantity. This is the opposite of the Empire. ISD's do not suit the needs of the Alliance. generally I'd say the Starhawk is a pretty solid design for the kind of combat it'd almost certainly be seeing.

[@jdstudios1912]

You forget that the star hawk was also a new rep design which is why the new Republic committed to it. Imagine how the galaxy reacted to holovids of the battle of jakku with the fall of the empire lead by new Republic ships built and designed by the new Republic and helps establish them as an independent state.

[@fishliveinthesea9637]

It's like having a lego star destroyer and making your own model

[@maxchen9482]

I think to some degree the starhawk fits the rebels for the following reasons: 1) as we saw in rebels many people hated the sight of imperial warships and using them, will making military sense, was probably a hard sell. 2) next while it does seem a bit impractical to use so many ships to build one they did have a good amount of broken ISD’s 3) the rebels really had nothing to stand up to super star destroyers in a traditional fleet battle, or as far as I understand, nothing that could quickly take one down. I think from a story view it shows the rebels becoming the new republic by beginning to stop fighting like a gorilla force. 4) the ship in the hologram seems to be missing large sections, it could be either a prototype or maybe they can function without those sections and as parts become available they get refit with more equipment as an upgrade.

[@paulmaynard2672]

The Starhawk reminds me a lot of the Assault Frigate, maybe there's some parallels there, with the crew intensity, rebalancing weapons, and other reasons