The Tragic Aftermath of Bobby Burns

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[@mochann1133]

Shane’s got some gall to call himself an “empath”, ignoring how he abandoned Bobby after he started all of Bobby’s problems

[@dlr_rosa254]

Exactly

[@AfroBoi14]

Definitely and also empaths aren’t usually doing black face and saying slurs and making horrific pedophile jokes

[@kissarococo2459]

Like how Jeffree has now forsaken him...

[@zanet391]

@@kissarococo2459 Jeffree forsakes anyone that is not beneficial to him anyway, it seems.

[@bluemoon1115]

@Laviath My exact words. Empaths don't feel the need to tell people, unless it's someone really really REALLY close. But even then, I hesitate. Lol. Just let your actions speak for you.😗

[@juliettemarie3255]

an overlooked fact by the public is that Bobby called Shane out for blackface and Shane purposely edited that out in his video. He also edited out any time Bobby admitted to doing youtube manipulation to make him seem like he's saying 'thing bad' rather than 'thing exists'. Honestly, Bobby was on his way to making great video criticisms ala Lindsey Ellis and I'm so sad that Shane ruined that path he was on

[@TheJuliana0901]

awww I love that Ellis is spreading "thing bad" "thing exists" terminology! It's such a helpful way to talk about criticism

[@Anthropomorphic]

Has Dawson admitted to editing the videos like that for that specific purpose?

[@Lil-Goblina]

Lifragen There’s got to be another reason. 🤔 It’s just a coincidence the comments he edited out were all about things he’s been trying to distract his audience from for the last several years. 😂

[@Juanmaligno]

Someone mentioning Lindsay Ellis? I love her also BUY HER BOOK GODDAMMIT SHES A NEW YORK TIMES BEST SELLER

[@chronicallykelly7193]

I never watched the full Bobby video, just Shane's version, so I didn't know this! The worst douche bags are the ones that pretend to be do gooder's 😤🙄

[@kevinjaegerjaquezreacts]

Shane never defended Bobby from his fans, that was red flag #1

[@daria5846]

Did he ever defend any of his friends?

[@coolsomeash]

Exactly

[@imjustapancake3188]

@@daria5846 nope.

[@teancoffee208]

@@daria5846 Seemed like he shielded that make up youtuber Jeffrey star a bit

[@DevilicAliyah]

@@daria5846 yes

[@rosereiter3359]

I feel so bad for Bobby because it’s just so clear that he’s uncomfortable and anxious the entire time. When he’s acting funny or happy, it’s so obvious he’s just trying to fit in and feel less anxious.

[@peppermintgal4302]

I suspect that he was being pressured behind the scenes emotionally to keep him on edge.

[@Corasz]

:( so sad

[@bunnylacy2097]

😔 Thad’s so sad

[@michaelsant-hp6fe]

Lol what? He could’ve left. But he stayed and got a FREE car.

[@Tom_Bee_]

​@@michaelsant-hp6fehardly free.

[@Spock1777]

Bobby: makes genuine criticism Shane: he's a stupid hater Jake Paul: manipulates kids for money Shane: he's just misunderstood.

[@Kayla-ng1rr]

LITERALLY 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@vulturesareunderrated]

Shane Dawson’s empathic nature seems to run dry when his subject isn’t rich, white, and a complete monster.

[@miss_chelles1338]

Man,😔 the fact that these situations are so reversed man-

[@goodial]

@@vulturesareunderrated *when the subject is criticising him ;)

[@serenav6156]

They are both manipulators, so Shane Dawson probably said Jake Paul is ''misunderstood'' as a way of saying ''and so am I, once my dark stories come up''. Honestly, it is absurdly pathetic.

[@stassieowens6170]

He honestly had so much potential. I wish he never meet Shane.

[@maggiea5783]

fr. i used to love his channel and what he was doing before shane, but that amount of pressure and people watching you at once is just too much

[@ashikjaman1940]

The world would be a bit better without Shane Dawson

[@jazlyn2385]

i was jusr thinking if he made another video of shane dawson to come back maybe he could go back into commentary. Its msot likely going to get more views since its with bobby which is kinda known for the shane situation and hes good at those videos

[@biscuitgidoni2804]

I subscribed to him after primink's video just to help him out

[@whatthehellisthis]

jellyski ?? honestly i really want to see bobby call out shane in light of everything going on

[@MitchieDuckie]

Bobby had tics, so Shane set him up for failure in the lie detector test. (Since....it will give inaccurate readings if you move. And if you notice, Bobby twitches a lot in the video...aka his tics) Also....trisha said that the guy shane went to said that he would just say whatever shane wanted as a reading...so it could be a hoax. I was upset when I found this out...

[@ThomasCrowned]

duh...

[@peppermintgal4302]

And also... lie detectors are dogshit, anyways. Only use they have is manipulating someone ignorant of their properties into a confession. (Like empathizing "I *will* know if you lie," etc., pressuring them into admitting just to take all the pressure off of themselves,) because really the only use they have is detecting if you have anxiety or tics or something entirely unrelated to if you are lying or not. If someone uses a lie detector test as evidence in a court room, someone *else* has a bad lawyer.

[@tylerd1297]

@@peppermintgal4302 Yeah this isn't Meet My Folks lmao

[@sarahamira5732]

@@peppermintgal4302 polygraphs are inadmissible as court evidence in the us

[@jackzimmy8461]

Weird that Shane’s audience of budding detectives didn’t call him out on the polygraph. Almost like they’re kids who listen to true crime podcasts and not, yk, forensic experts. I only mention this because I used to be part of that community, and there’s far too many armchair psychologists who’ll ignore huge red flags for entertainment purposes. Remember - *reading John E Douglas doesn’t make you John E Douglas.* God, Shane’s exploitation is so clear in hindsight.

[@carlaherrera681]

Let’s go fix the “like” to “dislike” ratio for the video Bobby made that critiqued Shame about. Okay, we did it (: it now had more likes than dislikes.

[@circleofsorrow4583]

I'm too lazy to without a link.

[@kerrieleidig]

LOL "Shame"... whether or not that was intentional, hilarious.

[@kingt0295]

Sounds lame

[@carlaherrera681]

@@kerrieleidig hahahaha

[@yeti1835]

It's this one actually kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZCsmGRod8ShraM

[@Michelle-ei7ex]

we should have trusted bobby from the minute he said Shane was manipluative

[@lisasimpson5304]

yeah but nobody ready for that conversation 😼🥱

[@elissauart]

Ppl always said that about Shane. Nobody cared then

[@daphnedaphn3]

I bet all Shane's fans wish they actually listened to Bobby now lmao. How has it taken us this long to cancel him? :/

[@mymaya]

yes you lots that liked shane should have 🙈💀 i stopped watching him after he made friends with shane at the time but his criticism about shane always remained in how i felt about shane

[@mymaya]

@Corey H black face is pretty cringey to me

[@Zjxjslsmdnckfkwkdndkd]

Shane Dawson ruined a person’s life because they dared criticize him. What a kind and wonderful empath he is.

[@koala201211]

All an act.

[@missfinessa4414]

and he described how he wanted to viciously torture a black woman by throwing acid on her, ripping her fingernails off, etc. he’s such a caring, sweet person!

[@strudelh]

@@missfinessa4414 idk if this is in the context of a joke or not (since this is shane we're talking about) but either way, excuse me? huh sir?? 💀

[@denomava5470]

The empath strikes again. Dead ass, I fucking think Shane Dawson is a sociopath (oh the irony lmao) and he is just a hella good manipulator, he is the monster that is been here all along.

[@missfinessa4414]

StrudelDaddi here’s the video, he said it on a podcast. it’s really graphic. twitter.com/flamemanged/status/1276159230433734657?s=21

[@csharper23]

Also noticed his tick(s) clearly got worse when he joined Shane.

[@mxfene]

I know this is late but YEAH i saw that too. I know nothing about bobby and kept staring at his little twitches . I assumed they were something like tics and wondered why they increased when he was around shane ect. Smh

[@not_them]

The love bombing in Shane's video really weirds me out, it just smacks of "See!! I'm so nice!!! I got my 'hater' a carrrr" and it feels manipulative

[@marjorieacevedo5586]

The thing is, Bobby was right about everything.

[@jazlyn2385]

His video was good too, but he was just shown as a “hater”+ im pretty sure they didnt show the blackface part in shanes video? Im not sure since i havent looked at this in a while. If he made another video about shane i would watch it.

[@marjorieacevedo5586]

@@jazlyn2385 Exactlyyy!!!

[@alyah9098]

@@jazlyn2385 agreed

[@m.claire3734]

Yes

[@m.claire3734]

But when he was labeled as a hater then everyone was made to think he was bad and to hate him

[@maximeleroy2693]

he introduced bobby to his fans as a hater, obviously they aren’t going to like him from the get go.. shane knew 100% what he was doing. bobby deserved better.

[@businesshumor8598]

Yep,dude had so much potential

[@brockhampton3078]

@@businesshumor8598 So maybe he should utilize it then. Instead of you guys projecting all of his successes and failures onto another man lmao.

[@thegreatmajora5089]

@@brockhampton3078 He was using it, though, and he was doing great. Then shane showed up, trapped him between a rock and a hard place by labeling him as a hater and putting himself as the nice empath who wants to fly him over, then did nothing when Bobby's career went to shit because of him.

[@Lexpionage]

Ellen Ripley nah bobby's og shit was some of my favorite stuff on yt at the time

[@lils426]

Ellen Ripley and that’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it. Shane did not give Bobby a chance at all, he introduced Bobby as a hater and put him in a bad place and did nothing when things started to go bad.

[@pinkfakecheez]

Shane having his own mum there to keep going "ARE YOU BEING MEAN TO MY SON LOL I HATE YOU YOU SAID MY SON WAS BAD" is perhaps the most uncomfortable part of these videos to me bc he's in his thirties and... God could you imagine what it must've been like for his teachers at parents evening

[@pinkfakecheez]

If I wrote a piece to camera on somebody I had issues with and they not only invited me to their house, but also took me to see their parents so they could berate and insult me for not seeing how WONDERFUL their baby is, I think I would spontaneously combust

[@gracedlm]

kinda sad how he pointed out stuff shane ACTUALLY got cancelled for was ACTUALLY VALID and ACTUALLY what he did get cancelled for.

[@lucyo.6039]

Shane just conveniently didn't show the part of Bobby's video where he called him out for blackface.

[@gremlinwithstickyhands3704]

What we call in the field as a Big Oopsie Uh Oh Booboo I Did A Racism

[@Vakentz0r]

Legit.

[@hipsterpotato2706]

Lucy O. EXACTLY

[@katehinds6167]

I know right- that was the first time I saw that clip.

[@Bluestress]

he showed the clip in the second vid of the series though

[@ker0_]

*If Shane just accepted that Bobby’s video was criticism instead of hate and didn’t invite Bobby down to try change his view about him, Bobby wouldn’t be going down this rabbit hole and would still be making videos that make him and his fans happy*

[@fkhan2006]

Can u speak Japanese

[@fkhan2006]

Also, yeah, I agree that Shane was a catalyst in the downfall of Bobby's career, but you never know. Even if Shane wasn't in the picture, other things could've lead to a similar outcome

[@nonbinarymess]

facts

[@mechanomics2649]

If Shane just accepted it as criticism it would rightfully make him look bad and turn people against him. Shane knew exactly what he was doing by labeling Bobby a hater. Shane played the victim and then after he and Bobby met he conned Bobby into working with him as to show how good of a person he is. It took the attention off of Bobby's criticism and put it squarely on him and in a positive light. Shane manipulated his way through the entire thing.

[@ezraprzytyk]

And more importantly he'd probably be way happy

[@zoorenard1101]

This is just a high production of what bullies do. Pretend to be friend with someone they dislike to lure them where the whole pack can ripped them apart. Poor Bobby. Shane and his crew are beyond disgusting.

[@rayvenkman2087]

When you have a group of people for giving a rich manipulative sociopath with a history of controversy like Jake Paul a platform to basically turn the narrative around and saying he’s “misunderstood”, it’s not too shocking that they’d step on someone who neither has the money or the connections to benefit them.

[@kristina.butera]

i feel like bobby would be a big youtuber today if Shane Dawson left him alone Bobbys career starting failing after Shane stepped into his life

[@hopeann8757]

It's sad because if he never said anything about Shane, nothing would of ever came outta this! Bobby was just being honest grant you, but Shane couldn't take it, he was mad for hating on him (which he wasn't) & when it comes to saying something about someone, & it sounds mean to them, even if it's true, some people can't deal with that & Shane couldn't! Bobby wasn't hating on him, but that how Shane felt & boy did Shane go after him & straight destroyed him. I think that was Shane's intention from the get go!! He's so mean😭

[@hillaryeames2348]

Shane’s like the girl who used to bully you in high school but who’s now studying to become a nurse.

[@tuesxx483]

YES LMFAOO

[@dkdkxkcjfjfjfj]

So right.

[@loradreamer12]

They're all trying to become either a cna or be in marketing 🙄

[@CWdudeyo]

loradreamer12 I don’t think you got the nurse point. I think it’s the irony of being a bully, then wanting to be a nurse, taking care of people. Like Shane.

[@loradreamer12]

@@CWdudeyo I got it perfectly fine. I threw in marketing because business is a common place for narcissists to gather. I said it to highlight that if they're not nurses they're going through the marketing major. My god it was a fucking joke I made. And a CNA is still in nursing so I dont see where you got that the joke went over my head 😒

[@BewareOfMpreg]

Bobby's "hate video" of Dawson wasn't even that bad to be quite honest. Comparing it to the the exposé videos that are now coming out, it was downright vanilla. Dawson just saw it as an opportunity to do some virtue signaling and make him look "empathetic" for trying to understand a "hater."

[@Coco-hq8vt]

Let's not forget the added bonus of neutralizing a competent threat. Bobby was bringing up valid criticisms about Shane's content and ppl were listening to him.. if Shane could disarm Bobby by turning him into a friend, he wouldn't have to answer to any of the points Bobby brought up or worry about Bobby making a follow up video that was equally popular.

[@ms.antithesis]

stan shane

[@siriuslyconfused1]

Imagine him flying D’Angelo Wallace out though, I would probably have paid to see that.

[@jazlyn2385]

siriuslyconfused1 bro i always see dangelo as short and hes like fucking 6’2(?) or smth i wouldnt be able to get used to seeing him tall??

[@ms.antithesis]

@@siriuslyconfused1 Dangelo isn't a commontator, or a critiquer, or an exposed channel or whatever the fuck. He's a tea sipping cretin who feeds off of drama and ruining others careers. He's practically keemstar with extra steps

[@honibearss]

im really ashamed that i never watched bobby’s og video on shane. i assumed it was hate bc that’s how shane framed it but i should’ve watched it for myself :(. the way shane manipulates his audience to believe that bobby was such a negative and evil creator is astounding. you can see it when drew asks bobby if his video was really that hateful and bobby responds that it was just critical. it became really clear that shane was just diverting attention away from how problematic he really was which was exposed by bobby before it was even a thing

[@coolcatalesha]

same. i totally agree. i bought every lie shane told and i hate it. i never hated on bobby or commented anything rude, but damn. just sucks how much i believed shane.

[@Cruisey]

Neither yourself nor hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of others bothered to watch the original video. And Shane MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT! He must have been confident enough to know that his word was more than enough to plant the belief that Bobby was just a hater into the minds of his viewers. The manipulation is truly staggering - in fact it's frankly impressive in its effectiveness.

[@DrCaptainSquirrel]

It’s honestly a shame what happened to this guy. Yes he’s responsible for part of his downfall but Shane and his former cult were just vicious to this guy. He got into a car accident and Shane’s fans were mad that he wrecked the car that Shane bought him. Like wtf kind of rationality is that? This just further shows how fucked Shane Dawson really was. The irony is that Shane uses this kid to get his own views for such a crazy “confronting my haters” video, but then didn’t stop his cult from saying the same thing about Bobby. All Bobby did was call Shane out for the same things everyone is calling him out for now

[@moon_sun1964]

The fact that Shane made Bobby looks horrible but Jeffree starship and Jake Paul looks good tell us something-

[@JackedThor-so]

Yeah. Shane needs to choke on his own "slice of humble pie the size of the empire state building."

[@John-np5wv]

bobby didn't have the racist past that shane could use to create a redemption story about 😔

[@LuckyOrangeTabby08]

My thoughts exactly.

[@watchingthemoons]

"Please feel sorry for these assholes who have millions of dollars and are really only doing this to make sure they dont lose money."

[@lindseyw5023]

💫 🚢

[@stassieowens6170]

Bruh Bobby was literally ahead of his time with that Shane video. Like everything he said was valid. However, at the time the internet decided Shane was a nice guy who could do no wrong

[@jazlyn2385]

Ive looked at old shane comments and they all treat him like “uwu pure” if he even does anything.

[@moethemoon]

Alot of people would call out shane but it would just conveniently end up being ignored and buried

[@husband2bears704]

Bobby was ahead of his time in many ways. His commentary and filmmaking style showed real talent and intelligence. He could have become a true KZbin powerhouse.

[@Colinop]

ahead of his time? it's not like a tech advancement beforehand, it's the truth. people decided that bobby was wrong, not that he advanced. Maggie's_ crew's list of other ways he could be considered that are all valid.

[@kayleighbohs8636]

that’s so true, especially about the internet deciding shane was a nice guy. i feel like 2017-2018 were probably shane’s best years in terms of people generally liking his content. i remember being grossed out by him in previous years and then watching his new stuff and deciding that he must be a good guy and talented creator after all. i guess bobby didn’t fall for it like i did!

[@parsnip5052]

Shane: *worried Bobby is only using him for views* Also Shane: *using Bobby for views*

[@LeeLee1985Official]

Shane used Drew, Garrett, Morgan, Trisha and JS and many more for views. I've said this since day 1 so Shane Stans have NO room to claim Bobby ever used Shane.

[@ubyvcrctvybuinnub]

it’s crazy how much shane manipulated bobby for his own use like literally how narcissistic is it to be like “wow no one can hate me i need to fly this dude out here to show him how much of a wonderful person i am i’m so empathetic see you CANT HATE ME!!!”

[@MissDurst]

Yep and in his reaction video to Bobby’s video, he cut out the part where Bobby talks about Shane’s blackface

[@issumusi]

lol ok

[@daphnedaphn3]

Man I felt like I was the crazy one for being weirded out by Shane's fake kindness. He literally bought him a jeep to get him to like him. Shane didn't even buy his long time friends a jeep lol. Shane Dawson fans should really apologize to Bobby, now that they are unstanning that man 💀💀

[@grantisaias8601]

yall call everything manipulation

[@teelove2497]

Grant Isaias in this situation.. it was

[@sailor2732]

bobby cancelled shane before it was cool

[@edwinamcmanus5633]

@Trinity Gilreath What does being white have anything to do with it?

[@azuxiv]

@@edwinamcmanus5633 ​I think he meant Tati Westbrook. You know, the Tati x Jeffrey x Shane drama. Not shading on white people lol

[@edwinamcmanus5633]

@@azuxiv Fair enough x

[@Pepsicup]

before it was cool or effective apparently

[@RashaadGenie]

Hey racism was fun a few years ago.

[@blacksabbitha]

i was a fan of bobby’s video pre-shane and have always been upset at how his situation turned out. i didn’t even realize how young he was until this video. when this stuff started, he was 20 which is how old i am now. i can’t even imagine going through all the stuff he went through, no wonder his mental health deteriorated

[@cassiemiller2911]

Honestly this reminds me of what Shane did to Eugenia cooney. I’m not a huge fan of her by any means, but when she was starting to get better and gain weight, he dragged her back out into the spotlight and I think caused her to relapse.

[@jungoojuul6717]

he legit got into a car accident and people made it about him wrecking Shane’s car not asking if he was okay or anything

[@reaganbartels9993]

Some people were theorizing that Bobby was drunk and/or high when he wrecked his car like it was any of their business. The whole narrative around Bobby at the time was that he somehow didn't deserve the gifts that the angel Shane came down from on high to bestow upon him and that he was squandering them.

[@Discordkittenbixh]

Reagan Bartels he was high but, that’s irrelevant they were more worried about the car and that’s fucking stupid

[@peacemaster8117]

@@Discordkittenbixh He claims he wasn't high, what's your evidence that he was?

[@orangexcheeto2790]

Peace Master What are your claims that he wasn’t? Still what happened is messed up to me

[@aaliyahstark7948]

What a Chooch lmao your only defense to somebody pointing out you have NO proof that he was high is that there wasn’t any proof he wasn’t. That’s such a weak ass excuse

[@Katie-rm5oo]

Bobby pointing out that shane did black face isn’t even criticism or hate, it’s just a fact. KZbinrs are such manipulators

[@amandatidey5751]

Right!. It's like if I called someone a racist slur and they told me that what I said was wrong..and then I called them a hater instead of simply apologizing... People that act like that can never genuinely admit they're wrong. They only will to gain something in their own favor.

[@Keithjustkeithwastaken]

@@amandatidey5751 so kind of like what you are doing by acting like black face is so bad so YOU get the power

[@seorangsajawe86]

@@Keithjustkeithwastaken what do you mean by acting? Blackface IS bad. Always bad. Pointing that out doesn't proving a position of power or getting power. It's just means that they had commom sense.

[@HighKingOfSkyrim37]

@@seorangsajawe86 Someone putting black paint all over their face is not racist. However if they put black paint on their face except for their lips making them look really big and start doing a bunch of black stereotypes then that is racist as hell. Context is and always will be king.

[@seorangsajawe86]

@@HighKingOfSkyrim37 yup. And what he did? He makes racist stereotypical jokes right? Also when doing blackface, making it worst.

[@polik3192]

Shane is brutal. He knew what he was doing when warming up to Bobby so fast

[@fishinabucket3806]

imagine someone calling you a hater infront of their friends, and their milion of subscribers.. i could feel the anxiety from bobby and its horrible

[@erikan.n8409]

He was absolutely correct about Shane, all his criticism was valid, and Shane pretty much used him to change his own content by making his own persona the empath. The way Shane used Bobby is sickening and he ruined his career, if Bobby chose to go to LA Shane would victimise himself on the videos, but if he chose to decline Shane would villainise him to hell. He was between a rock and a hard place

[@RootBeerYT]

yeah, I realised it at that time. Shane flying Bobby to LA to 'confront' him was a power move not an 'empath' crap he keep telling himself. It was gross and manipulative.

[@laura2381]

@@RootBeerYT huh. I never thought about it like this!

[@ren-tq5yg]

this is so true

[@elizabethpenton2306]

Adding to the power move aspect of it, Bobby was way younger than Shane and a fan of his for years. Absolutely disgusting, shows how much he cares about people who liked him.

[@sarily626]

Exactly!

[@mercyfulfate666]

In the end, Bobby was right, and he was talking EXACLY what people was seeing now, YEARS ago - and was scrutinized that time. I knew Shane since his 'dark humor past', so I understood what he was talking, but a lot of people didnt knew anymore at that time. Bobby got the 'hater' target from Shane fans. He always wanted to do a rap career, but if he had ONLY his fans on his channel, they would probably understand those changes and apreciate, instead of simply hate everything.

[@constanzatisiotto5311]

I stg Shane and his apologists ruin everything. I feel so bad for Bobby

[@saori5808]

Yes but Shane LITERALLY introduces him as a hater. So Shane started the hater tag. I think he wanted to make himself look like such a good person giving him a car and everything while still painting bobby in a bad light. With the lie detector and calling him a hater so many times. Then introduced him into his channel only to abandon him and let him get a ton of hate by his fans.

[@mythilivenugopal4864]

Exactly I hadn't watched Bobby's original video, I had no idea that he had talked about the blackface and all. I thought that he had only critiqued Shane's conspiracy video as those were the only clips that Shane showed in his video

[@kimjongun5613]

I knew Bobby’s channel about a year before Shane’s video and I agreed with Bobby in most of his video (I felt like the food videos was an easy target and wish it wasn’t part of the criticism because everyone knew and thought those videos were trash) but I do have to admit I have never noticed Bobby saying he wanted to be a rapper and that’s what made completely turn off from his channel. I was willing to accept and grow fond of the new vlogs but I wasn’t and still am not accepting the rap career, I guess it’s because I’m tired of seeing the trend of white suburban kids rapping, I’m completely done with that, I’m not comfortable with that shit.

[@katiebayliss9887]

He’s like Al Gore

[@thirstyforh2o]

I really hope that Bobby has watched this video. I wish he knows that there are people out there supporting him (even if most of us are too late). I also want him to know that he’s not at fault for what happened with Shane, there was so much going on at once and the way he handled it wouldn’t be out of the norm for anyone. Shane should have stuck by him and addressed the hate towards him a lot sooner and in a more productive way. Thank you so much for making this video!☺️

[@herfromafrica2711]

A simple example of how it’s extremely easy to manipulate people if you are toxic, Shane was really toxic and we all got fooled by him. I feel so bad for Bobby he was really young back then when he first met Shane, he should have never accepted that airplane ticket to meet Shane in first place. Whatever he is doing now , I really hope he is feeling better and doing what he likes.

[@Bubblebunzz]

How ironic is it that bobby told us all who shane dawson is. If he made that video this year he would have gotten millions of views and praised. Life is weird

[@georgia95795]

one thing that blows my mind is the manipulation. when i watched this video i was like "aw shanes so nice, giving his hater such good treatment", but the ugly truth is that shane knew everything bobby said was true. and he got scared. and shane is so fucking smart for thinking something like this. there was literal proof of shane doing blackface in bobby's video and shane manipulated us all into forgetting everything just bc he put on his "nice" and "innocent" persona. and after he confronted bobby and treated him so well, even giving him a freaking car, bobby couldn't just go out there and still keep on calling him out. just mind blowing to me how brain washed we were by this person.

[@mmmk6322]

@@georgia95795 never liked Shane. I felt he was a snake long before Bobby's video on Shane go viral. I am glad I dodged that bullet.

[@meiilu7799]

but if he knew about all these awful and problematic things shane did i still find it really weird that he became sort of friends with him, also saying he’s been watching him for 10 something years like... i’m not shaming him for taking the opportunity to fly out to shane but the fact that the moment he stepped into his house he threw all the bad things shane did out of his mind and pretended to love him doesn’t sit right with me

[@eletree3]

@@meiilu7799 manipulation

[@LukaJebo]

@@mmmk6322 ongg

[@katbird2699]

The thing about Bobby is that he was never a "Hater." He wasn't anywhere near "obsessed with Shane Dawson" or anything you would have assumed him to be, but for the people who didn't know much about him, or learned about him through Shane Dawson, that's what you would assume. In reality, he was just a critic, a critic who happened to make a video on a man who couldn't handle criticism, who had dedicated fanbase, and who decided to deal with his 'critic' by personally re-branding him with his own name.

[@ca-ke9493]

Yeah, he never really hated on Shane, he brought up valid criticism of Shane's content at that time.

[@Fire-in-the-sky]

yeah, i had forgotten how manipulative that video of shane was. i hated what happened to bobby afterwards, especially seeing how shane did him dirty. i hope shane loses all his money and ends up working a minimum wage job.

[@eh927]

shane dawson was the obsessed one smh

[@MissMusicForYou]

@@eh927 Yep, knowing what we know about Shane it's no surprise he was obsessed with a cute young kid and upset that said kid was criticising him (even though he hates anyone who rightfully criticises him).

[@elisabethluder7262]

also note the way bobby brought up shane’s blackface in the very video he ended up addressing but ofc he didn’t mention that part.....

[@ottokallen]

idk why but the look on drews face when he tells bobby "you shouldnt do that" after bobby said his video about shane wasnt mean/hating it was a critical video but everyone laughs and drew keeps staring not smiling it feels like he was genuinely trying to warn him

[@Cat-dr1p]

Agreed. Drew was not happy working with Shane. Afaik he was pretty miserable but wasn't sure how to leave. He probably also needed the boost for his content/career at the time. Drew (and Bobby) are definitely more of Shane's victims.

[@perspgold8945]

this made me hate shane in a new way bobby seems really talented and Shane used him for content

[@thenathanator6688]

This is more of a critique of shane dawson than bobby burns.

[@taniaisabel9207]

The Nathanator even better

[@k_thirteen]

I'm not sure if was ever supposed to be a critique of Bobby per se, but more of a look into everything around him.

[@ms.antithesis]

stan shane

[@whatthehellisthis]

Tuxified Art hard pass on that

[@jazlyn2385]

Tuxified Art i would rather scoop my eyes out

[@Lee-im2bn]

Can we un-cancel Bobby Burns? My guy was just spitting facts and everyone cancelled him for it.

[@ArtIsAPassion24]

I didnt realize people had actually 'cancelled' him. I just never found him entertaining. 🤷‍♀️

[@Lee-im2bn]

@@ArtIsAPassion24 Me neither, but I used to be a massive Shane fan and I just hated on him cuz everyone was doing it till I found out mans was a whole racist

[@lolwut6635]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZCsmGRod8ShraM link to original video Bobby made to change the like to dislike ratio.

[@cannedgoodness9633]

I like Bobby before he joined Shane Dawson, before he started making cringy music and acting the fool

[@myonlyangel6158]

He was better before Shane tbh. But of course Shane had to shatter his career potential. I hope he’s doing okay now.

[@superemillita2710]

You should do an update on him... his life has changed a lot since the kid that loved movies sadly (and especially since your video). He opened an OF (which is not inherently bad just really unexpected from who he used to be...) and seems very different. I looked him up after seeing your video today and was shocked and saddened to see how much impact Shane's manipulative moves had on his career 😨😓

[@cassiepatton8648]

Congratulations on your stirling work in illustrating the saying, "Be careful what you wish for - it might come true". As a 70 year old, I find the world you expose disturbing and disheartening. Thank you for being an opposing and exposing voice.

[@nonbinarymess]

I HATED how people were like “bobby’s using shane for clout”. Like yeah no kidding they both are using each other to grow as a channel. Neither knew each other before hand and weren’t friends. So of course they were using each other for content. That’s not wrong. That’s providing your viewers with the content you promised... That’s what being a youtuber is..

[@raeraebay123]

I totally agree! It's not like Bobby went after Shane for the collab. Shane is the one who invited him to LA

[@watchmewhipbruh1095]

Then what am I supposed to be angry about?!

[@o.o.4238]

Exactly. It's business, and good for all parties involved at that.

[@usedtobemyself]

I also thought it was VERY OBVIOUS that the whole "hater" thing was a joke but..apparently more people took it serious than anyone would have thought

[@wannabehistorian371]

usedtobemyself This very comment section is a good example.

[@ticketyblue3080]

Shane didn’t care about this kid. He left him hanging. He had no loyalty. He sucks.

[@puweh]

"gon give him a car so he can shut up" 😂

[@mgy3101]

Mmm but what do you want him to do more?

[@stephaniew7093]

bobby used shane, for views.....

[@angelenavargas1809]

@@stephaniew7093 the point of reaction videos is reacting to videos. all KZbinrs do it get over it. shane torn down his reputation and painted him as the villian.

[@puweh]

@@stephaniew7093 you saying that because h got nervous during a lie detctor test from ticks and anxiety?

[@Slicerness]

Bobby looks disturbingly like my littlest brother and it's making me genuinely upset at what he went through on a surprisingly personal way. Maybe not totally fair, but it's another reason to hate Shane to add to the pile.

[@goopedukps]

it’s insane how no one pointed out how many of bobbys points were valid. i remember watching all of shanes videos abt bobby but i never actually watched bobbys vid and i feel like a lot of shanes followers did the same, which is why everyone was on his side and not bobbys. nah actually i remember arguing with ppl who were on bobbys side in shanes comments looking back that shit was crazy

[@kokorolex]

I can see the dread in Bobby's eyes on those vlogs. That really sucks.

[@JackedThor-so]

Ikr? Everyone's like "Bobby is trying to USE Shane!" And I'm like "dude, he clearly doesn't even want to BE HERE!"

[@jazlyn2385]

I would be sobbing if i was near shane

[@Eric_The_Eccentric]

@@JackedThor-so i knew Shane but never liked his personality nor his contents and so i never went to his channel after the initial 1 or 2 videos recommended by YT. When the Bobby & Shane collab happened i was shocked to find how much hate Bobby got while Shane acted like a great savior. I called BS on it and got a lot of crazy responses from Shane's fans which really made me laugh. What's more frustrating was how easy you can see his manipulative tactics and yet his fans love him because they're mostly kids. I genuinely felt so sorry for Bobby and furthermore Primink's video on him was really compelling. You should watch it if you haven't.

[@jessica-cd2mn]

Ikr it seems like his eyes were really twitchy too at 19:14 :(

[@DereBear]

John Lemon his eyes have always been twitchy, he has an anxiety disorder and has talked about that being a tick specific to his nerves and anxiety and stress

[@froufroudeluxe]

Jeffree: sees makeup competition “Wipe him out” Shane: sees film making competition “Wipe him out”

[@somyaprasad732]

truuuuu

[@rhiannonclarke6894]

woAH i never realized this wtf 🤯

[@jordane8526]

Yep exactly

[@howdyfucker443]

Cowards lol

[@natasha8007]

Except it’s very easy to beat Shane in filmmaking. You need very very little talent to do that

[@IntergalacticSpaceKitten]

I think Bobby decided to take up a "villain"-like role since he thinks everyone hates him because of what happened to him from Shane. He thinks there's nothing he can do to change people's minds, so he started embracing it and is trying to turn around the cards he was dealt into a career. I totally get it now. It just hit me out of nowhere while watching one of his music videos.

[@zacharyt.4348]

I remember watching him as a rising KZbinr for a couple years before he met Shane. His videos were always so creative and flowed so well, yet everything had character and uniqueness. The channel community was really close, but everything changed when Bobby met Shane. We were happy for him that he had a sudden explosion in growth, but it was weird. The comments were filled with og folks but also there was an influx of all of Shane's teen fangirls, and the community was so... Bipolar? It was odd because this growth wasn't from natural growth or even a normal similar-sized channel collab, but one of the (at the time) KZbin greats and pioneers of this platform. There was this weird internal clash on his channel between the og fans and the new Shane fangirls. Bobby started to change his content up, something he did every year and a half about. This was normal (as shown by his 3.0, 4.0, 5.0... all those eras on his channel being different content). I don't think that Shane's new fans understood this, but also his new content was something that I dont think Bobby would have ever tried with his newfound KZbinr fame, wealth, and diverse and polarized fanbase, especially his uh, "music" career. One day I hope he makes a return. His social media presence is nearly non-existent, only appearing in select photos posted by his family members. Perhaps not a full return, but a return where he could show us his growth outside of KZbin and social media. One where he shows how he's grown since meeting Shane, since his departure of KZbin and social media, since he left his "personal" photoshoots, since the pandemic, and since (what I can only assume since) he returned to Tennessee. Wishing him the best.

[@fantagemagorical]

Shane Dawson's self-identified "empath" persona is so cringey and disgusting. Any person who describes themself as an empath is the exact opposite.

[@ratedpending]

Right, like being an empath isn't even always a good thing. Like I'd _like_ to consider myself empathetic (to other people), but I'm not gonna go around calling myself an "empath" because I don't really have to deal with the overwhelming emotions from merely sensing that someone isn't okay.

[@heartreplacment163]

Right...? Empathy is an art, everyone has it and exercises it to different extents, it's not a trait. Having a heightened sense of empathy is one thing, proclaiming yourself an empath is another because it's turning your sensitivity into a brand or a character.

[@heartreplacment163]

@@ratedpending Being empathetic is a great thing. Being sensitive to a point where it's debilitating means that you have some issues to work on tho.

[@Keznen]

I only know one genuine empath and it's my friend and fellow Keznen member Louise. Unlike what all those fake empaths like to claim, being an empath isn't all fine and dandy. Louise bursts into tears whenever she reads super sad true stories. I'm not exaggerating. And if me or Ked (mutual friend and fellow Keznen member) get upset, she senses it and becomes extremely stressed. Like, not stressed in a frustrated way, but stressed as in extremely anxious and unable to really do anything. ~ Tass

[@heartreplacment163]

@@Keznen My sister is as you describe but I wouldn't say she's an empath...Lol...Empathy is a practice, not a trait

[@AriBirdie]

It’s so funny that Shane showed the many times Bobby says “terrible” but not when Bobby showed Shane doing black face 🤡🤡

[@thebeatlesbutsad8301]

literally manipulation

[@jzorto8955]

Exactlyy!!. I didn't watch Bobby's vid back then, I only watched shanes. I literally realized just now that he spoke about Shane doing blackface wtf???

[@sl3772]

THIS! I was so fucking fooled that short period of time I watched some videos lol. 🤡

[@gracezb1]

i was SHOCKED when I just heard him talk about black face. i never watched bobby’s full video before

[@abbiewhittier4405]

i remember commenting about the blackface on shanes original video... it got lost and no one saw it

[@Lincoln_Bio]

The low key shade in referring to Shane Dawson as "our favourite cat boy" hahahaha

[@themirrorsofmymind]

I caught that too but, being elderly, I don't know what it means. I found something from a Google search and pasted it below. Is this about right? *"A catboy, sometimes spelled cat boy or catboi, is a boy who dresses up as a cat. The term is usually in reference to a femboy. Definition: Femboy is a term for a feminine young man and furry-adjacent persona with both human and cat features."*

[@susieqz813]

I remember really loving Bobby’s personality. Unfortunately after all the BS with Shane, I lost him in this vast online world. I wish him the best, he deserves so much. Great doc, thank you.

[@Vicky-pf1mw]

Shane Dawson ruined this kid's career :(

[@Vicky-pf1mw]

@Not Katie Marie Bobby's content before Shane was so good! But you're right. The pressure Shane and his fans put on Bobby made him make different content that did not suit his style at all. Then it just became too late with old fans hating his new content and Shane's fans never liking him in the first place.

[@GhettoBagel]

He arguably helped ruin _his life._

[@jubbalubby]

not only Bobby's channel, his life is fucked. The relationship with his brother fractured to a certain extent, he broke up with his gf and the man is almost insane now. And he was just a young dude that loves talking about films and shit.

[@ms.antithesis]

accidentally, by trying to do well.

[@jazlyn2385]

Tuxified Art no

[@abneroz6417]

Confronting my hater, more like “lovebombing a creator almost a decade my junior to make him question his own perspective of my abhorrent past behavior”. Not as catchy, but far more accurate.

[@makitomaras3889]

Have a lot of respect for you

[@christinaspeer9744]

@@makitomaras3889 same!

[@katydid4929]

Right on the fucking nose

[@rll1236]

Disagree, thats very catchy

[@woe.be.gone.beauty]

I live under a rock but what is love bombing? Edit: nevermind I just saw the love bombing part and yea pretty accurate how u put it

[@charlieruddy7806]

I've just binged loads of your stuff but your backing music smacks

[@alexandercarder2281]

The best thing Bobby could have done was when Shane revealed the new jeep, he should have thanked him and said “No Thanks” and then walked away. He would have then beaten Shane at his own game and won a shit load of subs/fans in the process. That’s what I think.

[@sabbath2112]

Shane definitely manipulated his audience by referring to Bobby as a "hater". Even though Shane was supposedly being nice, it gives his audience a reason to dislike Bobby from the get-go.

[@markleyp03]

Its genius. Shane separates Bobby from his content immediatley when they're friendly with each other. So shane avoids any criticism for ruining his career, but still allows his fans to go ruin his life

[@LostofConsciousness]

It's a sociopathic genius maneuver. Inviting Bobby was a win-win for Shane. If Bobby had refused, he'd lose face by making it appear as if he's a coward who can't confront the people he's criticizing in person. If Bobby agreed to go, then Shane gets new content plus the added opporunity to manipulate Bobby in person.

[@Hobiemyhubby]

Actually I liked Bobby when he was introduced in Shane's channel and tought he's actually pretty cool,and actually subed to his channel. But the content he released after he moved to L.A was pretty trash and I couldn't stand watching his vids. He should've just gone back to being a youtube critic instead of taking the shortcut route of being youtube famous by being a generic youtuber so yeah it's partly his fault for releasing Trash content

[@PONR2006]

Also he gets to play the part of guy who is above it, who is ready to be the better person. That’s why he fake compliments Bobby’s video but at the same time never acknowledges any of Bobby’s criticism as valid. And later the narrative becomes that Bobby apologised and Shane forgave. Ugh, what a fucking creep

[@sabbath2112]

GAE FOR IRENE BAE Oh yeah, his content also had a big play in the death of his channel. I feel like if he kept his channel the same as it was before he met Shane, he probably would’ve been fine. But let’s be real, Shane used the power that he has to manipulate most of his audience.

[@roman-dn4nl]

God, this whole thing makes me so mad. Shane acted like Burns' messiah in a way, completely turning this kid's life upside down in a matter of months. Then, when Burns wasn't benefiting him anymore, he cast him aside and left him to pick up the broken pieces he created. I wish Burns had never met Shane and I hope Burns is soon happy with the content he creates.

[@tonichan89]

So Shane is essentially Littlefinger 😂

[@oreo_8433]

bobby was soooo ahead of his time with the shane dawson video.

[@ash_tray]

Hurts my heart thinking about where Bobby would be now If Shane hadn’t sunk his fangs into him. He was absolutely right. I knew he was right then and I know he was right now. But when Shane flipped it around, I thought omg shane is so sweet to do all this for him! It was all a part of his plan. So gross

[@geckoaid9448]

It feels like Shane did this deliberately because he was possibly afraid of Bobby bringing up his past. If he never dealt with Bobby, it begs the question; would all the shit happening now about Shane's past have come out all those years ago?

[@lala-4458]

Out of all the things that Shane did, Bobby did call him out on his blackface tho, Shane had just cut that part out of the vid

[@iizou1738]

I mean, a lot of people already knew at the time (esp because a lot of his current fans were still fans during his problematic past), but imo the majority of people just weren't ready to "cancel" him. Shane had posted his blackface apology video a good while before Bobby's critique, so I think his fans trusted that he'd changed? and Shane was also pretty well-liked on the platform, especially since his content was changing (I remember the early stages of his "documentary" videos got a lot of praise, same with some of the vlog-style content he did with his friends). so ig what I'm saying is, at the time of Bobby's video, people were generally still too willing to excuse Shane's past and he had more defenders than detractors. if I remember correctly, Bobby's vid got a good amount of backlash even before Shane put him on blast, so it probably wouldn't have blown up because of all the dislikes.

[@Liv-sr2xu]

@@iizou1738 that was so well put and I agree

[@taetm8868]

@@iizou1738 that doesnt make sense cause shane subscriber count has only moved down 1 million compared to james charles who lost over 3 million in a few days. Just admit it his fans are just as bad as him and they don't care about it.

[@iizou1738]

@@taetm8868 I'm not totally sure what point you're making? I wasn't talking exclusively about only his subscribers. (I'll prob edit my original comment a little to make that clearer.) because on the platform as a whole, Shane was very respected at the time, especially coming off the series he did with his dad. just because his "cancel" wasn't as detrimental to his subscriber count as James Charles doesn't mean a lot of people in the YT community didn't still turn on him (and I feel like this will have a more lasting effect on his image in the community than the sister scandal did for James, since Shane's past is well-documented and James' scandal was disproven). it's undeniable that the people who still defend Shane are toxic though, you're right. but I don't think I'm wrong with my reasoning for why Bobby's video wouldn't have blown up, and why Shane wouldn't have gotten nearly this level of cancel culture thrown at him back in 2017. his fans are just as bad as him, and that's why Bobby's video never would have taken off at the time. if you look at the video now, all the top comments are recent, about how Bobby was totally right and people should've listened to him instead of dislike-bombing him when it was uploaded.

[@infinitusfinitus]

These replies are a testament to how fickle we are as an audience. We see Bobby as human again suddenly, now that Shane Dawson is a "villain". It's not just him that's toxic, its us.

[@Emily-js3un]

YES. I think we all need to learn to not go after anyone online and just keep our comments about other people to ourselves. It is not productive.

[@---tn1iu]

Exactly! Sometimes you have to admit you’re part of the problem.

[@libbozine32]

facts

[@Firegirl483]

Speak for yourself, I guess? Bobby had plenty of supporters before Shane. He got a little weird after he stopped his movie commentary, but it wasn't anything to hate him over.

[@infinitusfinitus]

@@Firegirl483 I'm speaking for what I observed in a lot of comments then and now. In no way am I condoning the hate.

[@spot5416]

Shane took a genuinely good content creator and destroyed him. I hope Bobby is doing better now

[@iamalionpoppythecat6731]

A mixture of wanting to be famous, too much money too quickly, the influence of the LAs lack of care for one another and most probably drugs, didn't help this kid. It is a sad case of another human being striving for success in LA and loosing every part of themselves in the process. Hope the little guy is ok

[@liviawang3822]

I would like to remind everyone that they strapped Bobby who has ticks and anxiety to a lie detector test...

[@gracereynolds7503]

Yeah lie detectors can't be used as evidence in the US. Sometimes they are used as an interrogation technique to get a confession but they are so inaccurate that they would never be used to tell of anybody was lying.

[@ceoium]

like wtaf

[@skunkskiestink6620]

Even if the lie detector was somehow actually accurate so what? Oh some guy I met 2 days ago who’s only connection to me is content creation... hmm yeah we’re best buds for reals this isn’t all just for work. Like wtf do Shane’s fans expect Bobby to be there for the friendship

[@penguinx7300]

Lie detectors are not even 100% accurate and with his struggle with anxiety and the pressure of filming and people watching him it was bound to go bad.

[@bobbiecook6067]

I don’t like Shane or Bobby burns what everybody in these comments think Bobby had no control over anything. He is an adult and he chose to do these videos. He got exposure and money out of it. It didn’t just benefit Shane.

[@TheRealArtDoctor]

It sucks how stupidly correct the guy was only to get screwed over by the worst KZbinr in exsistance

[@RAC00NFANGIRL]

Don’t you mean second worst that goes too Jeffery star!

[@uwuaxolotluwu3626]

@@RAC00NFANGIRL jake Paul's pretty high up too, with his parties during quarantine..

[@mayfia]

@@uwuaxolotluwu3626 Jeffree's defo worse

[@BlankNames111]

shane isnt bad lol

[@rubyjane9119]

Tove Lo didn’t you know Onision was a Shane fanboy. Like he legit was his inspiration... 💀

[@Nikki-wt8ss]

He honestly only reached out to Bobby to squash a potential cancelling at the time. He used Bobby, manipulated him and in turn his audience to be like “look I’m not a bad guy, I’ve changed!”, even getting Bobby on board. It’s really heartbreaking actually.

[@quinnpin2973]

This video is one of the many reasons I believe that psychology should be mandatory in high/ secondary school. By learning basic theories and interpretation of behavior and what causes it, it makes situations like this so much easier to understand how we react to certain events. This strong man, I hope he finds peace and love for himself 💕

[@jeanneann3545]

True, Shane's body language just screams anger and overall just unpleasant. Meanwhile when I see Bobby I just automatically go 'awww'. Its in human nature to believe in loud people rather than quiet, meek people. Thats why the likes of Jake Paul got his massive success. We are apes no matter what, and thats why every fans of celebrity etc have cult like vibe in it. I fell into such trap like Bobby when I was a kid and it makes me cautious, no longer love loud, aggresive, 'fun' people because most of them are fake and just... Unpleasant. There's huge difference between naturally friendly, and loud. Friendly people interact with people around them, loud people instead just use people around them as props to shine light better onto themselves.

[@tylerc5311]

The only reason Bobby's video on Shane was so "contentious" as you call it, is because back in 2017 Shane was KZbin's darling and his channel was being advertised & pushed by KZbin. Of course thousands of smoothbrained 10 year olds would downvote and dislike the video. If he released it today or this week, it would've been met with a 99/1 ratio of like/dislike because people are upset with Shane right now.

[@TD-cl3eb]

Smoothbrained... Thank you I'm going to use this word from now on👀

[@maget-ami7852]

T D it sounds smart

[@Sleipnirseight]

Smoothbrained 😂

[@daphnedaphn3]

I remember seeing that video and thinking "Whoa, finally someone has valid criticism on Shane!" Because at the time everyone was kissing his ass. And then Shane Dawson fans swarmed to the video and gave it a bunch of dislikes i was like have y'all actually given the video a CHANCE instead of hating on it coz ur precious idol is being criticized 💀💀

[@dj_nyx8903]

(Koalas have smooth brains.)

[@thebigmanjmanbigthe]

Shane Dawson is honestly the biggest manipulator to ever disgrace this platform. I mean just look at how he frames Bobby as a violent hateful killer in those videos. Maybe Jake Paul wasn't the sociopath after all.

[@whatthehellisthis]

remember when people labelled bobby as a manipulator who took advantage of shane? i wonder how they’re all doing now...

[@littlemissink]

I mean... Jake Paul is definitely a sociopath but... Takes one to do a documentary on one 🤷

[@koala201211]

I would argue that Onision is the worst manipulator on here, but Shane comes to a very close second, almost tied.

[@a.m.m.o3230]

koala201211 Shane literally LIED about collaborating with Onion Boy. So i honestly think they are almost equals.

[@jamesreagan8175]

@@a.m.m.o3230 I mean, to give Shane credit, he didn't accuse Onion Boy of being a pedo (though given certain situations that have come out now, it does seem more plausible that there is something wrong with Shane)

[@kateasley]

Am I the only one who doesn’t care at all about the people in these videos but watch them for the production quality? As a videographer I am so impressed. Subscribed.

[@LeeDee5]

I remember watching that video of Bobby meeting Shane the day it was posted. It was so awkward… this poor kid he looked like a deer caught in the headlights the whole time. And Shane is basically a decade older than Bobby so wtf man

[@katelynbrown98]

Same. It never felt like Shane got it. It was weird and uncomfortable.

[@sarcoidosis33]

Shane destroyed Bobby's career and potential. Shane was not his "friend" ever

[@hairbeauty8083]

exactly. He used his audience and turned them on Bobby

[@idunno3370]

yessss, and the marketing Bobby as the "hater" and Shane as the holy angelic saint who is so kind and generous to his HaTeRs is so harmful and i am 100% Shane knew exactly what he was doing

[@Anthropomorphic]

I really don't think he did it on purpose. He'd have to have known, somehow, that Burns would accept the resources offered to him, but also that he wouldn't be able to handle them and eventually drive himself into a nervous breakdown. Whatever you might say about Shane's track record of doing inappropriate things, he definitely doesn't strike me as a 4D chess type. The man basically kickstarted his own cancellation by voluntarily reminding his fans of shit barely anyone remembered.

[@jojosiwadrillremixmp3141]

bobby was right the whole time :((

[@sarcoidosis33]

@@Anthropomorphic he never once offered any public support to Bobby or tried to stop all the hate directed at him. Shane had millions more subscribers and many more years of experience than Bobby. He was in a position of power.

[@BobbyBurnsOfficial]

❤️

[@salamboulon3857]

Hii!

[@izzylk1802]

bobby!! keep doing what you're doing man, so sorry the internet treated you the way it did - you deserved so much better

[@henlex6424]

Omg I hope you're doing well 💕

[@6cooch9]

Hey boo

[@jasminelynch6570]

I hope you're well!

[@mateuszwesoowski9583]

It's cruel in a way. Real life experiment in why you should fear unearned fame. You have a similar story in the "The Green Knight" movie. Now reflect on the fact that most American teenagers asked what they want the most answer: "I want to be famous"

[@Octedge]

The way my jaw dropped when he started rapping....

[@Dani-fc7sj]

This wasn’t Shane making content and truly trying to understand someone. It was a plan to get back at his hater and ruin his career. If he can defend tana he can defend bobby

[@bongowrld]

Danielle McDonald it makes me so upset how shane basically ruined Bobby’s life with that video

[@genesiselaine]

well think ab it, tana is his friend. birds of a feather flock together. i mean look at all the reasons why you shouldn’t support them lmao

[@lhmmhl1]

You're insane. Theres no way shane could have predicted this.

[@lucidskulls]

if tana didn't idolize him he probably wouldn't have defended her lol

[@AtlisDe]

i doubt that it was thought that far ahead. As far as buying him a car to get back at him is a little extreme for this theory. I think it was more or less Shane's need to be liked by everyone or to show that he is indeed a nice guy. Him buying the car seems more like, 'hey, see, I am a nice person. Don't you feel bad now?'.

[@cyberfiretiger5825]

Wow… Bobby just seems like an innocent bystander.… It seems like not too long after this video, Shane quit talking to Drew and Garrett.

[@janbadinski7126]

Bobby is too upbeat and kind. People like Shane are jealous of other people's successes. It's up to Bobby's fans to restore him to his popularity.

[@yourmomslover5726]

Dude I can’t believe bobby called him out on black face but Shane clipped it out,it just feels like he did this on purpose to shut him up

[@oxin1099]

Honestly he probably did

[@dontmindme4885]

Bobby: *nice and genuine* Shane: ruin it Jeffree: *horrible person* Shane: make it better

[@ren-tq5yg]

the difference was jeffree could still benefit shane :( bobby couldn't anymore so he casted him aside. just disgusting and sad.

[@sarahanne2512]

ACCURATE

[@kaelynnydia]

it felt like bobby was grasping at everything bc moving from the south to LA is going to open up so many things that were never available where he’s from. he was young, he was influenced by the big city around him. not to mention, he needed his channel to work. it’s expensive in LA, and that was his job so i feel like he was panicking and self imploding trying to hard to get one thing to stick

[@kwstasmaria1]

Why do I feel like Shane set him up to fail?🧐

[@sarasilva9599]

That's exactly what i feel (and felt at the time). Feels like Shane forced this friendship to reel in Bobby and then just basically abandoned him

[@Valentine-jo7ls]

He literally had Bobby and his girlfriend drop everything and move to LA just to fire him after two videos and leave him on his own. Makes me think Shane actually was getting a cut of Bobby’s videos since he was so quick to drop Bobby after his two videos weren’t liked.

[@TeaReadsSometimes]

The power imbalance between him and Shane was bound to go south. This almost 30 year old contacted this not even 21 year old dude with not even a million subscribers with the intention to label him a hater to those subscribers. But how do you say no to someone who's made it that big? If he did then he'd still get hate, lose chance at making connections, be seen as a coward. Plus, he probably thought "Shane is big for a reasons, I used to watch him, so he knows what he's doing." Shane continues to make him look bad in front of the audience. Asks him questions like would you kill me for fans and stuff. He hesitates and Shane dramatizes it. Then he buys him a car. A CAR! Now you feel like you owe them and you look even worse. And with his extremely devoted fans that are much bigger, they feel the video being disingenuous or uncomfortable but put the blame on the smaller channel. This person has built himself up to be important, kind, sensitive so it's gotta be the other person's fault. Now Bobby is changing locations, around new people, with different subscribers. It looks helpful, but it can be every isolating without guidance. Nothing he is doing is going right, he's confused because everything has changed in a few months. I believe there are valid criticisms of Bobby and should reflect on it. But a multimillionaire taking you in for a few months and then leaving you out when things don't go right is so manipulative and disgusting.

[@ieatpickles705]

And these all were calculated 100 percent, Shane Dawson is a psychopath.

[@paolaviana8522]

Mercan Yıldırım 100% agree. People like him shouldn’t have a platform at all

[@bans9183]

"But how do you say no to someone whos made it that big" .. umm by saying "no" or you really so feeble in your integrity that anybody with a large following can so easily "manipulate" you by exploiting the fact you can so easily discard your morals for your chance at the very life you critique.

[@gazellete4925]

Also when he made bobby do a live lie detector test? You have this anxious kid who has visible ticks, then you strap him in a test that isnt even valid, and use the results against him. Really messed up.

[@elenagonzalez8463]

Straight up couldnt have said It better myself

[@Echo-MFJ]

I must add that there is no way Bobby used Shane because Shane is the one who called him. So how would that even work?

[@colinhunt7322]

your videos are so well constructed its insane! Good stuff man!

[@Mehoyminoy-f8n]

Notice how Shane completely left out Bobby calling him out for blackface in his video.

[@Mehoyminoy-f8n]

channel break Not really sure what you’re trying to say. He deserves to be ridiculed for his p*do humored and extremely racist jokes. If you don’t agree with it then you’re probably in the same boat huh? If people don’t like being called out for terrible things they’ve said maybe they shouldn’t have said them at all.

[@Mehoyminoy-f8n]

channel break I definitely can handle it 😂 but being on the internet doesn’t automatically make things like p*dophilia, racism, homophobia, etc. okay, does it?

[@Mehoyminoy-f8n]

channel break these aren’t personal micro aggressions, it’s called not being a disgusting person? You think I’m the only person upset about this? The things he has joked about don’t effect me personally at all, I’m just fighting for those of whom it does effect. But go off thinking child r*** and a white dude saying the n word is still “humor”.

[@Mehoyminoy-f8n]

channel break 😭😭😭😭😭. Imagine thinking you need to be on a high horse or extremely intelligent to not be HATEFUL. WHAT

[@averyjackblack7420]

@@Mehoyminoy-f8n I like how they all use the argument of oh it's dark humor, no it's not, sexualizing / abusing children is never a joke and is never funny

[@Whoawhoaweewaa]

It hurt to see how people treated him after shane dawson. He really wasn't a bad guy but he was so demonized.

[@theoutsiderjess4869]

It wasn't Shane's fans it was Bobby's fan they didn't like how he was changing his content i was one of the few shane fans who commented frequently and watching him at that time and saw his viewers turn on him and how it affected him

[@jazlyn2385]

Jessica Francis but shanes fans were not epic after the last episode or after bobby crashed the car shane gave him.

[@Whoawhoaweewaa]

@@theoutsiderjess4869 It was definently a problem on both sides of the fanbases. No side is innocent in their treatment to Bobby. Although in my original comment I wasn't exclusively pointing out Shane's fanbase at the time. I remember watching a video near the beginning of his time with shane. It was basically about if Bobby should be "redeemed" and majority of the comments I saw at the time were all demonizing Bobby. The biggest one was accusing Bobby of using Shane. They made it a point that they did not want Bobby near Shane. They actively insulted him for everything he did. Edit was me rewording it because I'm barely literate.

[@jazlyn2385]

Dweeb the lie detector episode made that even worse because they made him seem bad or like he was using shane. i feel bad for him.

[@Whoawhoaweewaa]

@@jazlyn2385 yeah they really did not help his situation. It did not help that he was painted as a "hater saved by the sympathetic Shane" which pushed the agenda that Bobby was using him. It also made his old audience, which was more critical I guess considering he used to make critic videos saw home as a shill for the fame Shane could give..

[@LottieLaRats]

I never particularly enjoyed Bobby's content, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go into his comments and say that he's a terrible person. So many people need to learn self control

[@0madalyn0]

I feel so bad for Bobby that he had to go through this situation. He underestimated Shane's manipulation skills