The Real Problem With Shane Dawson

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[@abigailmcdowell4248]

Jarvis is the epitome of healthy and non-toxic masculinity!!

[@KM-mw3jp]

If every year I got bombarded with tweets about being racist for 7 years.... I would look up what blackface is.. in the first year.

[@69_natalia_420]

Yea that seems about right, like "hmm I wonder why these people come at me every like 2 years ish in a cycle, welp guess ima do a blackface now!"

[@joshentertainment2]

America is wierd first why did people do black face and why is it a problem to paint your face and than their is the nword is kinda weird you cant say a word If you wanna see how I look search JoshEntertainment

[@jaylalove7308]

joshentertainment 2 1. It is rude to paint yourself in black face because back in the day, they (white people) used to paint their faces black and make fun of black people for entertainment. 2. They (white people) used the n word in a demeaning so we (black people) made the word ours

[@joshentertainment2]

@@jaylalove7308 yeah but n word is still bad and get censored like a swear word on the radio

[@hagelslag9312]

joshentertainment 2 Every country has a history. A lot has happend on earth. In America, there is a history of slavery and horrible things happenig to people, because of the color of their skin. Unfortunately today there are still people treating black people absolutely horrible in America. If you would like to read about it, try things like ‘black history america’ in google or something similar. It is complicated if this is the first time you learn about it. But I hope you understand many people have suffered and died and this is a very serious topic.

[@bluexephopsgaming6147]

"I didn't know what racism is so I searched it up and damn bro that sucks fr" Shane

[@-desertpackrat]

He just had this moment like Leeloo in The 5th Element where he researches every bad thing in humanity and cries. "I never knew, oh God!" pfffft

[@dr.alexei7368]

This comment made me laugh rly hard lmao

[@TriPesto]

HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW WHAT RACISM IS????? Lol but that’s crazy

[@reneeilott5072]

@tripesto r/woooosh

[@lol349]

@@reneeilott5072 somebody bout to get some karma

[@Praise777]

Shane Dawson was grooming children to accept racism and getting sexualized as normal and funny. I don't care about his intentions or his past, I care about his impact. And his impact makes him guilty. I get so angry watching him sexualize his niece and then calling it a normal family moment.

[@thesun5275]

He was grooming children period. Like i don't get how are glossing over the shit he did and got away with. There is a video where he talked Tana into pissing on him which is still up, just because she "turned 18" Which doesn't excuse the fact he was almost twice her fucking age and was in contact with her before she was 18.

[@OliverStarfall]

@@thesun5275 I’m pretty sure that Tana has talked about how that video was filmed like a couple months before she was 18 and she just posted after her birthday. Doesn’t make it any better at all 😖

[@thesun5275]

@@OliverStarfall I suspected that because they said a lot that "18 18 18 18 18" as if trying to convince themselves.

[@monsterhunter445]

​@@OliverStarfallso she wasn't a child then. So 17s year old magically lose their childness? Maybe let's not finalize women because a 17 is a women just because legally she isn't. Sorry lol I think y'all need to touch grass. I am not saying we should objectify but you make it seem like parents telling your son or daughter looks hot because you know you feel proud. God Americans are such prudes lol. Relax

[@people2chronically-online]

@@thesun5275had he ever fucked a kid? No? Hes not a groomer

[@WaterVolt1917]

I don't know why it's so hard to agree that someone who called a 6 year old "sexy" doesn't deserve forgiveness.

[@beepatpen]

exactly!

[@teathesilkwing7616]

Unless they’re also around 6 and/or don’t know what “sexy” means

[@WaterVolt1917]

@@teathesilkwing7616 Well yes, obviously. But Shane most definitely wasn't in either of those categories.

[@rorzoi]

@@teathesilkwing7616 this is an unnecessary and pointless reply

[@teathesilkwing7616]

@@rorzoi yeah

[@Kdj1996]

Todd from Bojack Horseman said it best: “You can't keep doing this! You can't keep doing shitty things and then feel bad about yourself like that makes it okay! You need to be better!”

[@emilyordaz3976]

ugh yes i love bojack horseman

[@genericname8727]

I love Todd.

[@hotchew24]

Ah yes bojack

[@Kjdangerous]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@darklinksego7498]

Never watched it but that hits deep

[@theeldritchpen5599]

It's interesting that he said he's too busy to google naked babies, when a normal reaction would be to say why he doesn't want to see naked babies. Seems like deflection

[@anon_moth]

Yeah that's weird af. I'm not a busy person these days but I wouldn't google that let alone type it because it's gross.

[@doctorxawesomestop-motion1234]

“I’d never kill anyone! I’m way too busy!”

[@emmacarlsen8308]

I was thinking the same exact thing.. was he trying to make a joke about it??

[@TheIngie44]

Also like, googling something takes two seconds. No one is too busy to spare two seconds to google something. Like I'm sure a neurosurgeon will occasionally google 'starbucks near me'. It's just such a weird excuse that makes no sense

[@Jorcqualyn]

​@@doctorxawesomestop-motion1234😭😭😭😭

[@sleepypodcaster]

"My audience didn't have a problem with it" BECOUSE WE WERE 12 YEAR OLD GIRLS SHANE. WE DIDNT KNOW ANY BETTER.

[@AndresMartinez-xg2up]

*because

[@calleum8234]

*because

[@sleepypodcaster]

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[@WilliamAfton984]

beecuz

[@Audreytook]

He literally said the words " here's my justification for pedophilia" he is a horrible person

[@VashtiPerry]

yea

[@feap0d]

Fr, theres litterally no context that would be a justified sentence to say

[@daddasani1085]

Literally tho omfg

[@LunarEleven]

He could have gone somewhere legitimate with that conversation. He could have said, "Pedophilia is a disease, nobody chooses to be sexually attracted to children, it's exploitative and terrible but you gotta feel sad for people who live with that shit in their head.... but that doesn't mean it can be condoned, sanctioned, or allowed..." (yada yada etc) I mean, it's not his fun-loving style but... It still would have shocked and upset people (because you aren't supposed to pity people who have taboo mental disorders!) But at least then when people took it out of context he'd actually have been the victim of ignorance rather than the purveyor and therefore have a defensible position. I don't think him saying all this "eww pedophilia is soooo totally gross, disgusting, icky icky yuck yuck you guyzzz" (yes I paraphrased but same drift) bullshit makes me feel any less uncomfortable with his actual stance towards the topic (which ostensibly is that it's not so bad as long as they're at least 12, buy your merch, and/or are family!) It's a serious fucking topic and what disturbs me is how off his defense feels. Thou doth protest too much, Shane. I'd have respected his apology more if he had said "Sorry, I was just trying to say the most shocking, taboo shit I could think of and that's what came out, oops!" It would have still been trite but would have felt like the truth. If this is what he considers acceptable to let the world see, what does he keep hidden?

[@Audreytook]

@@LunarEleven yeah it would've been better if he talked about the mental condition but he didn't, the context is exactly what it sounds like and it's fucked up.

[@moon_sun1964]

I know people who had a worst childhood than Shane and they would NEVER sexualize kid and say racist joke… hard childhood is NOT a excuse

[@terra_the_nightingale135]

Isabel Davis aw yeah it’s kinda cute.

[@pupville1055]

Exactly! It really gets on my nerves when people try to justify their shitty behaviour with “I’ve been under a lot of pressure”, or “I have a mental illness”, or “I had a bad childhood”. None of that matters. As someone with GAD (generalised anxiety disorder) and moderate depression and currently living a bad childhood? Yeah, at no point would I choose to harm others.

[@seagoddess9937]

I do understand your comment, and I agree that having a traumatic childhood should not excuse you from abusing or using others for any reason. But having mental illnesses are difficult. I'm mainly making this reply to Pupville. Childhood is the years that influence us. We more start to get our own opinions around 14 maybe 16, but they are based on the foundation we were taught and how we interpreted it. People may be extremely angry one day because of something that's happened to them recently and that's how they've learned to cope. If they're using it for an excuse, fair enough, but there's another part of it where they many be genuinely trying and don't know how. When it's a repeated behavior, that's when you truly know. So, please don't just get at people for saying they've been stressed lately and are behaving differently than normal.

[@pupville1055]

@@seagoddess9937 - Oh no, of course. Mental illnesses and childhood experiences influence people's behaviours as they grow. That's not really debatable. I essentially just mean that whatever you're going through doesn't justify abuse or bigotry. The same goes for people under pressure. It's understandable for them to lash out. However, personal pressure doesn't excuse treating people horrendously is all. Frankly, often I would dismiss the abuse inflicted on myself with "well, they're stressed out" and other such things, and there's simply a fine line to tread. Sorry for the slight misunderstanding :0

[@ashtheintroverted7204]

@@seagoddess9937 I 100% see where you're coming from, but we really can't say that they're actions were even somewhat "justified". For example, if a killer was raised in a family of killers and taught that it was okay... We're not going to set them free because they thought he did nothing wrong. That's not how life works. However, we should be patient with them and try to help in whatever way we can. We shouldn't feel like their hatred and actions are valid because of their childhood/mental health.

[@ashers_aether7256]

If I, a 13 yr raised in a racist, homophobic household can learn to be better and accept all people. A grown man should at least know how to apologize

[@ocean_demon]

I totally agree. I grew up in a racist, homophobic household and a society which made me think discrimination against other minority groups is normal. But after being introduced to the internet and some good content creators, I realised my mindset is completely wrong and have since then changed my ways. If teenagers on the internet can do it, so can you, Shane Dawson

[@morganismism]

EXACTLY

[@carolineb5861]

Amen!!! I'm from the deep south and i remember my dad proudly telling me and my brother about beating up a gay guy because he was wearing earnings!?!? And I'm 23 and have educated myself and expanded my perspective and my beliefs are sooooooo far from my parents. There. Is. No. Excuse.

[@hedgie9823]

I mean being brought up in a racist homophobic household doesn't exempt you from criticism but you should understand the struggles of leaving something drilled into you as a child.

[@AnneQuiet]

🥺🥺🥺

[@thetwelfthuwu1492]

My golden rule for kinks, is; "As long as it doesnt upset, harass, or (unwillingly) hurt anyone, and is legal, and its all consensual, then do what you want." Pedophilia does *not* fall under these things and is therefore not okay. At all.

[@thidneyprither]

i took a class in college about human sexuality in psychology and my professor said pedophilia will never be justified as there is no situation where children would be safe. the only difference between a kink and a paraphilia is consent.

[@ashegrey3042]

also as long as everyone is consenting & guess what CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT

[@the-postal-dude]

same minus "upset" because like... a lot of kinks upset people but aren't actually harmful

[@squidgirl0413]

​@@the-postal-dudethis. Sometimes with a kink the explicit appeal is the pain or discomfort; its why aftercare is so important.

[@people2chronically-online]

All this hate just screams “I hate he’s more successful than me” Shane has made millions and can retire with enough money to give his kids retirement, there is no cancelling a YT legend

[@Jenninka]

“I’ve never said a racial slur in anger” is just a different flavor of Jeffree Star being like “yeah I screamed the n word at women but they were white women and I just wanted to say the worst thing I could think of” like... that makes it ok?

[@Lobboi]

That's the worst thing he could think of to say

[@claytonharbaugh308]

Kinda gotta wonder why the two are friends.

[@reagan4058]

"it was the worst insult I could think of" was also pewdiepie's excuse when he said the n word lol

[@SabrinaZ99]

@@reagan4058 oh god, Felix too? I haven’t been a fan of his in forrrrrever I didn’t know. Was it on a stream of some sort? Or a video? I genuinely don’t understand how in the least people don’t edit out them being garbage human beings in videos that are pre recorded. not that it’s okay to say slurs and be bigoted in general as long as the general public doesn’t know. it just confuses me from an image protection standpoint. Shane is different, he was built on being controversial in part. But pewds is just a gamer that thinks yelling == comedy still, right? Why bring more hate on yourself? Idk.

[@huh1542]

@@SabrinaZ99 Yeah, the Pewdiepie n-word controversy was back in 2016/2017 (the infamous bridge stream, I think it was COD or some shooting game popular at the time.) It was relatively a big ass deal in the KZbin space (him being the most subscribed youtuber and all that.) Though, honestly the whole thing is kinda old news. Like with Shane Dawson and Jeffrey Star the n-word scandals despite being longer ago were only further context to how these creators respond to and justify their overall toxic behavior (Shane’s done far worse, Jeffrey has done more racist shit since.) Pewdiepie apologized multiple times regarding that single incident, was semi-cancelled at the time (His youtube show was pulled, his sponsors were pulled, he practically became enemy no. 1 on the Media’s shit-list.) and uploading nearly everyday since he hasn’t had another major controversy in 5 years. (the only criticism I really hear about Pewds is that bridge incident and a fivver incident that happened in that same time period.) This isn’t any justification to why Pewdiepie said the word or me saying that it’s fine that he did. I stopped watching him in 2014 and when I heard he said that word I stayed away until the whole T-Series subscriber war. I just wanna provide some context on why Pewdiepie is probably seen more favorably then Shane or Jeffrey or even Tana or Jake Paul despite similar actions, cause none of the others STOPPED at the n-word, they all did other shitty things that made them extremely unlikeable and to many unforgivable.

[@wendeviant2475]

Call me old fashioned, but I believe sexual relationships should be between two consenting adults.

[@athenavonheon2]

If you go too old fashioned then you go around the bend to no consent

[@vaishnavisingh9244]

Honestly, the age difference isn't that bad but they need to be adults and aware of their actions. Kids/minors shouldn't be exposed to sexual content outside sex ed.

[@ulrikahaggard9923]

@@vaishnavisingh9244 oh I understand you're a walking contradiction

[@vaishnavisingh9244]

@@ulrikahaggard9923 How the hell am I a walking contradiction when I just support age difference between couples as long as they met and had been with each other after being adults. I am sorry for my English, but all I am saying is that consenting adults should be in a relationship even if there is an age difference? I just said that because people get a lot of hate for having age difference, even if they do love each other and had their relationship when they were both adults. If you really want to know, my parents have an 8-year gap between them and they met when my mother was 20 and dad was 28, hence they were consenting adults. They were not exposed to sexual content before 18, so how is it a contradiction? I am not trying to be defensive, but can you explain it to me?

[@ulrikahaggard9923]

@@vaishnavisingh9244 well why did you even bring up age difference? no one said anything about age difference.

[@MamaDoctorJones]

From an actual expert in gynecology, the JK Rowling joke has me ROLLING. I am CACKLING. 💀

[@BraveRaid]

Rowling has you rolling

[@angelinaAGES]

@@BraveRaid lmaoxjsjcjs

[@senpieloven]

DR.JONES!!! 😂

[@hannahm5574]

When worlds collide

[@krystalbuten3403]

Nishita Bhowmik same lol

[@willoween-witch]

pretending that pedophilia is 'just a kink' is probably the actual reason why my bff's little brother, who was like, 14 at the time, used to say the same thing to justify it when grown-ass people used to make advances towards him on the internet. Literally making kids feel like they have to justify their abuse is fuckin disgusting.

[@inserthahafunniusername9656]

Is he ok now?

[@i_eat_nintendo_cartriges_lmao]

yeah that's disgusting... i think someone else asked, but how is he doing now? (if you and him are comfortable sharing)

[@inserthahafunniusername9656]

@@i_eat_nintendo_cartriges_lmao your username and profile picture are beautiful

[@kythefairy2029]

props to the pink haired woman that called him out on his bullshit when it wasn't the most popular or widely accepted thing to do so! it takes balls to call out creators, especially back then!

[@josepho3366]

I present her the Bold Award.

[@carveylover]

She was an executive or something higher up with the company producing his movie so she had valid points. I applauded her then and applaud her now.

[@tiffanykim2773]

The one who said "it wasn't even funny or done well"?

[@yamicivetta5252]

@@tiffanykim2773 yes. Big HUGE props to her.

[@pissapocalypse]

She was the hero we didn't deserve

[@hannahb2306]

If I knew what blackface was as a white teenager in the south a decade ago there’s no way in hell he didn’t know about it as a grown man.

[@freeshlavacadoo]

In the south...... you say.....

[@Jogjosmowwdkfs]

Exactly!

[@susansaphire5983]

THANK YOU!!!! I'm so tired of hearing the 'uneducated' excuse. What classes does he believe others were taking in school that they were taught not to act racist. Just being a person is all the education you need. Choosing an attitude of white superiority is 100% a choice, and it's not like Shane was in the deep south growing up, so I doubt that he was receiving racist messaging constantly. This blows my mind, and saying that you need to be better 'educated' to know that Black/Brown/Asian/Middle Eastern people deserve to be treated better tells me all I need to know.

[@freeshlavacadoo]

Stephen Murphy 😴😴😴😴

[@jaclynmccosker]

A lot of people miss the historical significance because white people famously ignore racist history. It’s covered up and not taught to young people. I remember 5+ years ago a group of friends at my college did blackface and I was very unpopular for saying that it wasn’t funny, but I’d never seen blackface in acting. You can use commonsense to deduce it’s probably offensive and Shane clearly doesn’t have much sense, but I always see people comment he‘s lying about not being well-educated on of a form of entertainment that’s LONG dead. Weird hill for me to die on as if I’m defending him, but seeing this repeatedly irks me., You bet my friends understand it was a f***ing travesty they did it now that the topic has blown up on social media in recent years and we all learned about the deeply racist past.

[@Facetheblazingfire]

Shane acts like he's the only one to experience trauma in his life...and then uses it to excuse all of his bad choices. No accountability.

[@TheGrimbler]

"Sorry that you forced me to kill your children, i have anxiety"

[@hahgay69420]

"i'm not like other boys,i'm quirky like that"

[@wren_.]

i’ve had anxiety problems in my life and they’ve never driven me to say the n word, what reality is he living in where he thinks people buy that shit

[@yeetionary]

"Sorry that I have 3 accounts of vehicular manslaughter, I have ADHD so I'm quirky."

[@kayliegaray707]

This might b a wild question but r u in the military?

[@buggy9124]

As a person with a good, long history of mental illness: it isn’t an excuse to be abusive to other people. Not in the least.

[@bharv2309]

I have PTSD and I am an addict and was in active addiction for about 5 years. I treated my family like garbage and did some really fucked up stuff for money. What I did was not alright and just because I had my issues doesn’t negate the fact that I hurt people that I love. The difference is that I got help and got clean, got on medication for my PTSD was in intensive therapy for about 5 months. My family supported me 100% through the whole process and I profusely apologized and made amends with everyone I hurt. I then started paying them back for all the stuff I took. The point of this is to say that I learned from my mistakes, apologized and made everything right between myself and my family and DIDNT CONTINUE TO DO IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND THEN BLAME IT ON MY MENTAL ILLNESS.

[@buggy9124]

@@bharv2309 Good for you, I’m glad you’re recovering and were able to make amends with your family.

[@KallieMae]

@@bharv2309 THANK YOU for saying this. I am bipolar, have ADHD, and a dissociative disorder from trauma, and I have to tell people constantly - even if someone has reached a point where they can’t control their actions, it’s their responsibility to recognize that and go get help. If they know they’re hurting people and they do nothing, it is 100% their fault, even if it’s the result of an underlying mental illness. If you’re sick, you go to a doctor. End of story. I haven’t had an episode in years now, and I’m a straight A student in college, student teaching high school physics this year. If I can do it, anyone can.

[@hyeromies]

@@KallieMae hi, as someone who’s also bipolar and has adhd (along with depression and anxiety), it made me very happy to see someone who experiences things similar to the ones i do who has achieved their goals and is doing well in life. i don’t know anyone else suffering from bipolar disorder so your comment made me very happy, as i got a bit closer to thinking i can also achieve my own goals ☺️

[@scoutlaceharding]

Yes, thanks for saying this. I'm bipolar and I hate hearing people use mental illness to justify treating others like crap. If harming others is a consequence of how you cope with your illness then you need to seek help and find healthier ways to cope.

[@margaesperanza]

Why is Shane acting like he was making an Oscar darling and not a cheap ass toilet humor movie

[@xmuta]

Marga Esperanza - He’s a white man.

[@SplatterQueen]

Because he legit thought it's a masterpiece, that's why.

[@olesyam7434]

it's crazy that I watched his stuff and the past, and it disturbed me, especially this one sketch he made about people eating "shit sandwhiches" and other weird "rape" related jokes, suicide and etc, and i pretended to enjoy his content bc he was popular back in middle school. i cringe...

[@olesyam7434]

Ally Jones that’s true

[@Tusskie]

@@SplatterQueen * he thinks they're masterpieces

[@Charlie-nc3cp]

"Shes black ya know she just slaps her keyboard" ?!?!?????? *What does it mean? We'll never know*

[@janec1097]

is it ...a key smash joke??? as far as i know that’s a gay thing, not a black thing?? (source- me, a gay girl)

[@tj-gamer2578]

i think he meant that she was ‘too stupid to use a keyboard correctly’

[@catrinajayy]

In the full clip of this he talks about how she sits around slapping her keyboard not knowing what she's doing because she's black, so he's basically calling her incompetent

[@GTAandApplechannel]

@@janec1097 so you like girls

[@TheRogerbacon]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3jNm4CQhq1jb7M

[@FrenkTheJoy]

I had a painful life too but I'm not over here hitting on 12 year olds.

[@69_natalia_420]

Yea like, many people are abused or assaulted but they don't all become the abuser or the person who assaults someone else.

[@Plaincheerio755]

Having a specific past doesnt define who you are. You can have a terrible past and be an incredible person.

[@ChaosIsDeadd]

🤦🤦 this

[@f1rebreather123]

And it’s not like it’s your fault that you have issues like that due to abuse. It’s just that you should realize they are wrong and get therapy for it.

[@pink.lemonade7715]

Same like tf

[@sg-yo4kp]

Can I just reiterate that he KISSED A 12 YEAR OLD? and exchanging gum with a 14 year old (and lets not kid ourselves about that)? how about no shane. Gotta disagree with you on this one jarvis. I definitely donnot think Shane should be back on this platform.

[@thesun5275]

Remember that time when he got a just turned 18 year old Tana to piss on him? (And he had a piss fetish, not that that is wrong but she just turned 18) AND UPLOADED THE VIDEO TO KZbin She knew him before she was 18, she admitted that he got her to start being a KZbinr, he had all the power and convinced her to do that to him on camera just because she just turned 18

[@saltyriz7734]

​@@thesun5275 he was acting very weird with tana...and she was just 18 it is so weird.....he would say sexual jokes with her

[@davidfairweather3301]

Feel like people gave him too much leeway cos he’s a youtuber and kept spinning it all as humour and “it’s not real” but if you personally knew someone who kissed children, called them sexy, and was in online video chats with them, you’d be reporting him to the police.

[@karmajester6504]

@@thesun5275it’s even worse because Tana came out later and said they recorded that video when she was STILL 17! and just waited until after her birthday to upload it. That’s why I’m the video, they keep reiterating that she’s finally 18 so it’s fine

[@gaminganimators7000]

​@@thesun5275wasn't that video made before she turned 18?

[@mickeewoop-woop9020]

"i dont think Shane is a horrible person" *shows back to back footage of him being a horrible person*

[@cameronh3756]

You don’t have to be a horrible person to do horrible things. Similarly, you don’t have to do horrible things to be a horrible person.

[@tuff2235]

Caroline H no shit

[@actionjackson3522]

@@cameronh3756 This is true buuuuuuut.... Shane did horrible things and he is a horrible person too. Even *if* he didn't do blackface, pedophilic behavior, and s3xually assault animals, he made that deplorable "Not Cool" movie and PR specials for Jeffree, Tana, and Jake.

[@mickeewoop-woop9020]

@@cameronh3756 shane is a horrible person tho. :)

[@dorcasmeadowesgf]

And he’s said the n word, multiple times

[@Sourcy]

''I don't understand what's so bad about my content, why are people even so offended??.'' .- Shane ''Empath'' Dawson

[@IBL15]

Shane ”Empath” Yaw

[@ham_paste]

Shane is just a bad human that is not good

[@cherbrown1920]

Omg lol fucking exactly …exactly and how many damn times does he have to say “I’m an empath” like he just changes all the time to figure out what suits him best in that moment

[@xX__ErectDiddyP445__Xx]

@arsh lol

[@IBL15]

@@_ghot_3966 with what

[@swaggyyoutuber2963]

You shouldn’t kiss a 12 year old girl when you’re in youre 20s... THE MORE YOU KNOW✨✨

[@louloudaki_]

honestly! like age gaps are only good if the young person is like 20 and the older person is like 35, and that’s even a huuuuge stretch. me and my boyfriend talked for awhile before we dated to make sure we were both ok with the fact that he’s a freshman in college and i’m a junior in high school. that’s only 2 years but we still talked about it for awhiiiiile to make sure it was good with both of us. my point is that if there’s a big age gap (like more than 4 years) the two people should be both adults then it’s like do what you want. but if someone is an adult they absolutely should not be with anyone below 16, and 16 is a stretch. 16 is only in terms of like when you’re 18 kind of thing. i’m rambling but everyone here agrees with me so y’all get the point. anyway, have a great day

[@CHRISISSCARINGTHEHOES]

@@damedaneguy6160 Which is nasty af.

[@louloudaki_]

dio holy shit what

[@louloudaki_]

Joyce Summer agreed

[@WhutADrag]

@@louloudaki_ Yeah, exactly this. And even with 16 and 18, you should still make sure to educate yourselves on stuff like power dynamics and signs of abuse or manipulation, not just to keep yourself safe but also to avoid doing any harm. It might work out, but it'd take more conscious effort to keep things healthy. (Speaking from experience being in a 2-3yr-age-gap relationship that turned out horrible. Even the nicest people can get drunk with power if it's not worked on...)

[@daftoptimist]

That “family moment” excuse pisses me off. If I heard my relative speaking that way to my 12-year-old niece, I’d pull her the hell away from him, I’d tell her parents, I’d be ready to punch him if he even looked in her direction again. You shouldn’t be making jokes like that with ANY minors around, but “they’re my family” is not the defense he thinks it is. It’s even more disgusting.

[@annika8674]

“I’m willing to lose everything” *loses things* Shane: 👁👄👁 wait…

[@honestlycookie3570]

_"you weren't supposed to do that"_

[@nameinprocess1086]

Hahaha you are not funny

[@raspite3195]

@@nameinprocess1086 haha no one asked

[@annakozuki8950]

@@nameinprocess1086 pretty funny to me man

[@KellyLoom1s]

@ALT F4 I laughed.

[@AVeryPotterFan13]

Shout out to my mom for deciding Shane Dawson was too inappropriate but Happy Tree Friends was fine. Seriously, good call.

[@annakepes8050]

Wish I had your mom lol

[@user-it4cl9hf6u]

happy tree friends hasnt done blackface lmao

[@sewerpeople346]

Damn that's a callback lol that's an old bit

[@angelidez13]

Holy hell! really??? Wait...what year are we talking about? Cause old school Shane was TERRIBLE and I'd totally understand that choice if we're talking about his chomo years... You know what don't answer that, I get your mom's choice lmao

[@user-it4cl9hf6u]

@@angelidez13 I agree lmao he definitely isn't better than happy tree friends. Like his blackface and crap isnt even funny.

[@ontheinternetnooneknowsyou2764]

Shane: attacks people who rightfully critizise him. Blackface, sexualizes minors... Shane: “i’M aN EmPatH”

[@ThymeofGhost]

My big thing now is I don’t trust anyone who calls themselves an empath cause of people like shane. If you have to say how nice you are you’re not nice.

[@ryanhernandez1877]

Damn, is that the second gay canceled for sexualizing a minor this year?

[@ujjwalmishra8962]

Imagine unironically saying that

[@LiterallyLike]

@@ryanhernandez1877 Shane isn’t gay, he’s bi lol

[@nottknormal]

@@LiterallyLike i thought gay was an umbrella term that includes bi people.

[@jokeer722]

Okay this is rather obvious at this point but NEVER trust anyone who calls themselves an "Empath" or just "nice" overall. They're most of the time the worst type of people.

[@bubblesa8653]

“if you tell more then 3 people about your good deed, its no longer a good deed”. also people often overcompensate when they try to convince you that they are somthing they are not, often the opposite. i 100% agree

[@bubblesa8653]

*they are often the opposite*

[@LC-hd5dc]

idk if the description is an inside joke but ironically jarvis calls himself nice on twitter

[@memeyartist5591]

yup, if someone thinks having basic human empathy is a superpower then they are a shit person

[@smooth_transitions09]

ex-excuse me h-how man-ny ye-years...

[@angelita2213]

" im not doing blackface im just dressing as a character" i went as Tiana from princess in the frog last year for Halloween and i'm white and i never even thought of painting my skin because that's just common human decency which shane doesn't have

[@ClaudetteVioletta]

Lol I'm Hispanic and If I cosplayed Aurora, I won't whitewashed myself

[@autisticbookworm9686]

I dressed up as cleopatra at age 11 and even I knew that I shouldn’t darken my skin. He had to have known.

[@dangerouslydubiousdoubleda9821]

I dressed up as spiderman it was cool my mom got me a pumpkin shaped candy bag :)

[@breaunnalj2829]

Bruh I bet y’all were all cute af

[@lethfuil]

@@autisticbookworm9686 Cleopatra was white though.

[@SimplyErinful]

Ten years ago, I was a literal child. I probably said some things I wouldn’t say now but did I ever do blackface and say the n word? No. Because even when I was TWELVE I knew those things were wrong. When twelve year olds have a stronger moral compass Shane did at twenty, that’s a problem.

[@sketchingstudio5552]

yES dude. people say it was a different time, but child-me couldn't even fathom saying the word "stupid" out loud, let alone mocking another race. i didn't even know racism was *possible.* maybe some of that's childish naïvety, but still.

[@aubreymocherman3369]

I totally agree he is such a terrible example for any human.... ever

[@wildfire0123]

Seriously I was so young when I started watching him to the point of where I didn’t even know what blackface and the N word, but did I ever say or do it as a kid? No! Hell to this day at 17 I have still never said it, seems Shane has done it a bunch though

[@treyjudah]

My little cousin is 11 and he knows what they are but he doesn’t say that my 11 year old cousin has a better moral compass than a millionaire that’s sad

[@xorvictia]

@The Horror Report Um, no. “White” people haven’t been plaiting their hair for centuries, bc white is a skin color and not a heritage. Celts, Nords, etc., however, *have* been plaiting their hair for centuries. That’s why it’s not racist to say why people shouldn’t do a certain hair style (btw, plaits might look similar to dreads but are VERY different). White people, as a collective, do not have a shared culture. We might have Irish, European, Spanish, German heritage and traditions, but there is no blanket “white” culture.

[@BlueBerry-hn7si]

I am a 15 year old white girl. I cannot remember a time when I wasn't aware that blackface or saying the n word was offensive, or that viewing kids in the manner that Shane does is incredibly creepy. I was raised in a pretty white area of rural Florida, and I was homeschooled until 14. I didn't have a lot of interaction with other people growing up, and yet I can say with confidence that I've never said or considered saying the n word. Shane's behavior is unacceptable. He is an adult, and he should be held responsible for his actions.

[@TheDsRequiem]

You know that you "don't remember a time" like that, because you're literally a child. Right?

[@anasfilmproj]

@@TheDsRequiem she's trying to say that she has always known that it was something that she, or anyone else for that matter, shouldn't do

[@naocreio1]

@roni stay alert pls

[@jsas2047]

Im 17 but same. I think the only time i might have said it was when i asked my parents what the word meant but i would never actually say it to someone else wtf

[@cissyiniguez]

@@TheDsRequiem uhm… how about a woman in her mid 40's who has also known her entire life not to say the n-word, blackface is racist and mocking, & making jokes about diddling kids is a no-no? Wouldn't that demonstrate how a 30-something male, who hasn't been in a world without computers or the www, & who makes his living on the internet, should know just how offensive and creepy he is being? That just makes his claim of ignorance that much more repugnant, unless he truly is a moron. It also makes a 15yo girl much more sympathetic and intelligent than the so-called “empath”. Btw- WTH are you trying to belittle a 15yo⁉

[@leorafilms.]

i'm a white person and i literally can't remember a time in my life where i thought that anything close to blackface or racism was okay. Even at like age 5?? Shane is a 30 year old man and apparently never got the same social awareness as a newborn until he was 26.

[@Colinop]

yes

[@SteviiLove]

Shane is literally the epitome of "I can't be racist, I have black friends!"

[@Vsure420]

I've never agreed with a KZbin comment more. You deserve all the likes.

[@cringeworthycontentstudios8959]

Periodt

[@billscott490]

I can’t be racist, the tires on my car and my bike are black

[@AviatorZoroark]

He doesn't even have black friends though all the people he hangs out with are white....

[@AquaticBlaze]

@@AviatorZoroark his black friends probably left him

[@quartzairmet9885]

Love him saying "my movie's not offensive" when his then girlfriend's character's entire point was to be an offensive stereotype of disabled people. Like he realizes that racism isn't the only offensive or hurtful thing, right? (Not saying his movie isn't racist, just saying that it is so blatantly ableist that I don't understand how anyone who has ever met a disabled person could even begin to say it's not offensive).

[@sadpee7710]

that whole depiction of homeless people as dirty *shit eating* hobos or whatever is poverty shaming too. was there a group of vulnerable people he didn't go after? punching down seemed to be at the very movie's core. of course wealth is something you can change whereas your skin color or your disabilities are not. however when you're homeless your living situation is often out of your control. the thing all of his "jokes" have in common is that they attack people for things they did not chose. quite literally below the belt; specifically targeting those who are vulnerable or lack a voice for what's basically the crime of *merely existing*

[@SlashoftheGreatnessOfficial]

cheese

[@thesudsytoe5969]

Bread

[@Mia-fg2ik]

not gonna lie even if he wanted the movie to have dark humour he shouldve handled it completely differently. there are no excuses. for example, Little Britain. sure, it contains stereotypes but its twisted in a manner where its obviously mocking societys perception of the stereotypes rather than the people themselves. e.g. fat fighters was there to make fun of not fat people but rather the course leader who was verbally abusive and narcissistic, andy and lou were there to not mock disablities but rather mock those who use it as a ticket out of doing anything productive whatsoever (e.g. claiming false benefits) theres a difference between dark humour, what he claims he was portraying, and plain ableism, sexism, and racism. there is absolutely no excuse for the movie.

[@lunanote-cassettemeower]

I haven’t seen the movie (or heard of it prior to watching this video) but there’s way too many negative or stereotypical depictions of disabled people in the media that it’s caused so many people with said disabilities to be treated as if they were one of the “stupid people” from the movie/show/game/etc. Because of that a lot of people (like me) have been treated like 💩 at school for doing absolutely nothing wrong, and when neurotypical people do it apparently it’s okay. This is just something that has upset me for a while, don’t mind me. (I have autism and have been forced into harmful programs my whole life despite my parents telling the teachers not to put me in them. Because of the programs I have PTSD and my anxiety disorder has gotten even worse and sudden noises or being touched when not expecting it makes me really anxious and sometimes I might hit someone/thing as a reflex.)

[@SarahBarah.99]

Shane Dawson built his career off of blackface and making poc butts of his jokes... So its gonna be a yikes from me.

[@bloodyhaze2844]

Yeah but look at everyone else in that time... Especially Jeffree Star like why y'all skipping out on him he's literally done ILLEGAL horrid things

[@silly6517]

@@bloodyhaze2844 literally everyone who hates shane also hates jeffree we??

[@lizlazmccringe2043]

Don’t forget pandering to minors so also pedophilia 🙃🙃🙃

[@bloodyhaze2844]

@@silly6517 you'd be surprised how many people are still bowing down to Jeffree

[@georgaseebalack6003]

@@bloodyhaze2844 yes we know but I'm so tired of listening to anything related to Jeffery. Never liked him and never will. No matter what happens ppl will still like him just like they like Shane so there is no use even bothering

[@erikagibson5171]

I am a hispanic woman and it was a little hurtful to watch him make fun of Mexican people, always portraying them as maids or workers. Hispanic people can be other things other than the stereotypes. People like Shane, who has a very wide audience, making these videos and entertaining these stereotypes is a very bad thing to teach audiences that could be children and misrepresents people of color. Do 👏🏽not👏🏽entertain👏🏽racial👏🏽stereotypes👏🏽

[@XpetraXpazlX]

He does that for every race even his own

[@lucyla9947]

One of my favorite book series plays with Racial stereotypes in a more positive light like it will present you with a person from an Minority race that has a certain stereotype, only to just flip it on it's head or blame that stereotype on another thing (for example there was a black man named Jim who was presented as a Thug, however it turns out that Jim was actually pretty smart and educated and only acted like a thug to get people to underestimate him, or for blaming it on another thing there was this Asian character Dali who was bad at driving {Asian stereotype} however it turned out that was because she is nearly blind not anything to do with her race she's just blind, the literal most stereotypical thing that happened that wasn't flipped on it's head was having Dali teach the MC about an Asian religion)

[@LC-hd5dc]

@@XpetraXpazlX how galaxy brain of you, "white guy being racist is ok as long as he makes fun of white people once in a while too"

[@jollytronvr4486]

@@LC-hd5dc as an Italian I would love to see someone dress up as an Italian chef and start talking about a terrible obsession with pizza and sphaghetti

[@jollytronvr4486]

I would also love to be called a fanculo

[@rampion1228]

"stupid family moment" - I can't believe how dangerous that is, most child predators target members of their own family, and kids watching the backlash thinking "wait, this isn't normal or okay?" Are just going to have the lie that it's a secret family thing completely reaffirmed.

[@jaclynmccosker]

We have to recognise he was sexually abused when he was young. It doesn’t seem he ever learned boundaries, because he was denied them himself.

[@nicomoist5336]

@@jaclynmccosker yes but there's also a lot of sexually abused people who don't sexually abuse others 🌠🌈The more you know

[@jaclynmccosker]

nico nightmare ok, the victim to offender cycle is real though

[@rampion1228]

@@jaclynmccosker I understand that and I feel for him, it doesn't change the impact of his actions. I'm not calling him a straight up monster just stating how dangerous his behaviour was.

[@ohwow.thatsashocker.1524]

@@jaclynmccosker It's real for people who either don't want to or can't get the help they need. Don't put that cycle on a victim that will never want to put someone else through what they've been through. That's fucked up.

[@thegpshowtheshow]

Is no one going to mention that shane filmed his first apology in his bathroom on the toilet

[@Humptygotadumpy]

Wait are you serious?

[@CharzBoi]

@@Humptygotadumpy yeah, you can see the cover/seat up

[@zutarasdaughter]

unrelated but i love ur pfp

[@thePrplMonkey]

It's an appropriate place to start spewing bullshit

[@wolfishcat7922]

He had s**t coming out of both ends

[@ratsbelongnowhere2548]

I really don’t like shane’s tone like he wants people to perceive him as this soft spoken guy which seems so manipulative and disingenuous

[@fashiharz8584]

I know right? Like he's all "I am too sensitive UwU"

[@pachiart8838]

I read that as "disgusting" and I mean.. both words work.

[@TheRealStellaJane]

the real shane came out on his IG live for sure

[@teal3af49]

Henry Mazzarulli 亨利 I genuinely don’t care about looks or voice, it’s just attitude and the things he’s done.

[@raspite3195]

@Henry Mazzarulli 亨利 haha attacking someone's looks and something that they can't change amirite.

[@spacedragon2853]

14:20 there are plenty of consenting adults with feet. The problem with pedophilia isn't that it's "weird" it's that it inherently involves someone who can't consent

[@ashegrey3042]

& also the fact that there is so much manipulation & grooming involved bc they take advantage of their vulnerability and naïveté

[@Lina-we6fr]

"I'm not doing Black Face I am just dressing as the character" Cosplayers: Bruh-

[@nman551]

Bruh

[@Peetaleem]

Bruh

[@coal1818]

The second you paint your face a darker colour (with the exception of unnaturally coloured characters with non-human skintones) thats not cosplay thats just racist ✨

[@MadamChriss]

@@coal1818 that's true that's something all us cosplayers get if want to cosplay as a darker character we won't change our skin color we just dress up as the character as least cosplayers know that blackface is wrong.

[@bh251cc]

I hope Shane pees out a sea urchin and poops out a splintery piece of ply wood

[@anandastephens9994]

I don't understand how he thinks he's changed when he can't even apologize without playing the victim...

[@NimhLabs]

Eh... he has changed though... he has literally gotten worse

[@XXYYZZZA]

It’s called explaining why he did what he did to show a fuller picture.

[@Loresofus]

Aleishaisalive he never explained, he just guilt tripped his followers for believing what he DID. What fucking explanation????

[@NimhLabs]

@Fred Winifred I suppose I could add in the comment "Racism was cured/Racism is over--because Obama was President" is something people do seem to say a lot--like they believe it as true And Obama was the President at the time of Shane Dawson's bullshit being in high full gear Prior to 2016, there was the notion that racism wasn't as big of an issue... as it turns out it actually was Still surprised they chose Cheeto Mussolini over Discount Cheap Margaret Thatcher Knock-off >.>'

[@idespisethisapp]

@@NimhLabs if youre talking about Hillary Clinton I can tell why they chose cheeto man over her 😂

[@g00chi]

tbh if anyone deserves to be cancelled it's this guy. Racism, shamelessly sexualizing kids, and gaslighting everyone who calls him out...what more do you need? If this is what he has no problem doing on video, imagine what he does behind the camera?

[@NoName-ld7gg]

And not to mention how hypocritical he is! He’s such a hypocrite that his hypocritical actions relapse, therefore making his narratives predictable. Exhibit A: On _multiple_ occasions he’s called pedophilia “disgusting” and that “he’d never do such a thing”, yet on that same boat, he has a plentiful collection of clips where he (very shamelessly) sexualizes minors, and even went as far as to ask a minor to twerk on camera! And still has the nerve to deny any pedophile claims of him, and says that he’s “joking”. But if he was actually joking, he wouldn’t have joked about pedophilia, of all things!

[@ivagolic9215]

Everything bad he could do he did, and still has a platform I mean common. I have been his fan for years and Im just so ashamed that I supported him

[@actionjackson3522]

@@ivagolic9215 You shouldn't be; you were his target audience. Or, more accurately, his targets

[@arsonvamp]

there’s also the transphobia which was coupled with blackface in a really shitty, poorly sung song. making a Bad Art™️ while also being racist and transphobic? triple combo babey!!!!

[@FTMothman]

Action Jackson yep, I was perfect for that, ain’t even 18 yet and already knew the proper signs of a pedo at 6 and didn’t know what gaslighting was and what it felt like until 12 when I stopped wanting to watch him

[@hypnoticbat3080]

As someone who had a grown man make sexual advances towards me when I was a young child, just listening to Shane's apologies makes me want to actually vomit. NONE of Shane's behavior should be normalized or accepted under any context.

[@cloudyjay4359]

him and onision. i wish onion boy dragged him into hell with him. he was so close

[@basicallyaflower7379]

wtf. Shane literally said "she doesn't know how to make a channel, she's black she just knows how to slap a keyboard." He needs to stop making excuses for himself and just stop talking. disgusting.

[@maria-magdalenamineva7718]

What did happen to her? Has she said anything about this?

[@AirLight1646]

“She’s black, she just slaps her keyboard” What does that even mean? I’m so confused

[@llewelynshingler2173]

@@AirLight1646 He's saying she's a moron because of her skin colour

[@-xphobia]

@@AirLight1646 Probably that she's just like a cave man, "oogabooga I just slap a keyboard" it's pretty disgusting. She might have been okay with it but you're joking about an entire race, not just her.

[@-xphobia]

@Raychle Bernoth Which is her own choice, but she really needs to reflect and think why being talked about like that is okay to her.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

y'all go way too soft on shane. He kissed children on the mouth.

[@thepassingstatic6268]

Probably dont want to incur the full wrath of the fanbase. I think he should be gone off of all forms of social media until AT LEAST the 2nd Coming

[@consumerism]

@@thepassingstatic6268 or how about, forever

[@asynchr0nus]

@@consumerism the second coming of christ he means

[@probnotking]

YES 👏 HE 👏 SHOULD BE 👏👏 IN JAIL👏👏 BEING CANCELED IS THE LEAST OF HIS WORRIES

[@rosettavalentine1050]

Idk this video, first time watching it months ago, I didn't like. It felt too.. nice towards him. Rubbed me the wrong way

[@LstinThought-gs1mb]

Why was his first apology on the toilet? He didn't even close the lid.

[@tibb75]

AHHHH I DIDN'T NOTICE UNTIL I READ THIS. WHYYYY

[@alexverdana2435]

OMG

[@Nedeles]

He was talking shit while taking a shit

[@whatthehellisthis]

it shows how much of a crap he gave ok i’ll leave

[@factsandlogic.8762]

he didn't even show himself. all i could see was the shit in the toilet bowl

[@bubullibooooo9928]

If anybody ever needed to be cancelled it's this guy.... Normalising predatory sexual behaviour representing them as jokes. That is how abusers groom their victims by pushing the boundaries further and further..

[@lain.ed2]

Jarvis?

[@枒]

@@lain.ed2 no shane Dawson, lol

[@MaeBarronMusic]

"I didn't ask for a Black hobo" ...what a hero!

[@anna_banana414]

Oh thank god !!!

[@LLLadySSS]

Amazing, wow ! 👏🏼

[@spikespiegels]

Career: fixed

[@AspiringCrybaby2018]

Racism dropped to zero percent!

[@nana6744]

LMAOOOOPSJSKWKEHBXd

[@jdatlas4668]

This is possibly the only way I’m willing to consume KZbin drama.

[@scarlettes.6908]

You should watch D'angelo Wallace, he makes it funny.

[@PKLuver944]

The Right Opinion and iilluminaughtii are my sources 😁

[@marley4273]

you should also watch dangelo wallace

[@dontcarenomore]

I know this has already been said, but I couldn't recommend D'angelo Wallace's video enough

[@SuperNuclearUnicorn]

KZbin Drama is so fun though. I mean, usually. This one is kinda scary

[@EpicDunn5]

"I want to monetize this video, and donate the money to charity." Well Jarvis I hate to break it to ya, but it would appear KZbin has stolen your advertisements.

[@whitealliance9540]

KZbin stole his ads and placed them on this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGjVm3h7oJykb68 omg its really unfair

[@mainaccount1238]

@@whitealliance9540 uh, i-

[@xximaginarxx3302]

@@whitealliance9540 wut

[@youtubesfavoriteidot7714]

@@whitealliance9540 I hate to be rude but I don't want to click on that link What was that video about

[@alexispabon4355]

@@youtubesfavoriteidot7714 anti christ trailer

[@camrynpham635]

it’s like what my english teacher says about persuasive essays: “if you oppose a side of an argument, tell me why you are correct, not why the other side is wrong.”

[@NotDenverSkyes]

I hate when he tries to excuse his horrible behavior on having a bad childhood. Many people have had terrible upbringings and are still good people smh

[@swi88y62]

Well he’s a victim of sexual harassment and that can have ramifications

[@psycho7602]

@@swi88y62 Yeah but instead of getting help he does the similar things to other children , Seems about right if you ask me.

[@dinosaurk]

@@swi88y62 Yeah but that doesn't excuse anything.

[@swi88y62]

Danny Keenan except it would because sexual victims try to justify the actions of their abusers for fear that they are the problem and that it was their fault

[@swi88y62]

psycho jokes are jokes funny or not

[@hadinasrallah8928]

Sorry i massacred that village full of children but as a kid my parents never bought me a lego set

[@aamandazittlau5505]

Oh sorry I didn’t realize you had such a troubled past 😥 it’s okay, I have no relation to the children you massacred, but I just want you to know that I forgive you 🤗

[@heulwenrhosyn9625]

Legit Annakin Skywalkers whole back story 😂

[@SlashoftheGreatnessOfficial]

Hadi Nasrallah cheese

[@quedielzy8579]

@@SlashoftheGreatnessOfficial milk

[@theloczek9582]

Chill itachi chill

[@Emma-zc5jm]

Let's talk about Shane writing in this autobiography that he was "such a cute kid, [he] was surprised [he] was never molested", and then all of a sudden claiming to have been molested when it would suit his "it's because I'm fucked up" narrative... Seems like he knows abuse victims sometimes perpetuate abuse, and he's decided to use that fact as a defense, when it's not actually clear if anything happened to him or not. Edt: as someone who WAS abused sexually as a child, I can tell you that I cannot imagine ever making a "joke" about being "surprised I was never molested" because I was a "cute" child, even if I was trying to deny to myself that it happened. I could never see a way to blame the child for being cute instead of the predator being SICK. That's some predator thinking, not victim thinking.

[@themudpit621]

I believe the sentiment he expressed was that he was 'offended' that he wasn't molested, which is worse really. Shane claims that he wasn't ready to face the truth when he wrote that book early on, however he has no memory of being molested, and only thinks he was because a therapist told him it was likely due to his behaviour. So yes, the jury is out on that, but he says it when convenient. By the way, there was a study on incarcerated child sex offenders that found at least half of them who claimed to have been molested were lying. It's a hard study to find but it's out there. The researchers used lie detectors as part of the methodology. It's available on the internet if anyone's interested enough to look for it.

[@Emma-zc5jm]

@@themudpit621 👏👏👏

[@monke980]

@@themudpit621 imagine being like: bruh am i like ugly why haven't i been sexually assaulted yet like sexual assault? more like personal insult🙇

[@themudpit621]

@@monke980 I shouldn't laugh at that but yeah lol, goddam.

[@lilithium3940]

@@themudpit621 The only risk in that study is that lie detectors are notoriously unreliable. Even their inventor was aghast when they started being used by police for actual cases and tried to get them to stop. Now certain places won't prosecute without the detector due to 'insufficient evidence'

[@twigthegamerboi]

"I don't think Shane is a monster" well I do. He did black face like 20 times, abused his cat and so much more

[@mewmeow479]

I have a cat, and I could never imagine doing anything like the things he did to his cat, his cat deserved a much better home

[@appledognugget2267]

I legitimately think that Shane’s spiral of insanity should be studied by psychology students

[@twigthegamerboi]

@@appledognugget2267 FR! Like, it’s fascinating how someone can do so much insane stuff and still think they’re the victim of cancel culture 💀

[@enonoka]

Shane seems like the type to say "Why do homeless people exist..? Just buy a house."

[@Deceitful93]

Why do poor people exist? Just buy more money.

[@enonoka]

@@Deceitful93 Ah, yes. We did it boys, we solved poverty.

[@aaahhelp8766]

Are you starving? Just eat food.

[@lj.853]

Just work more, duh. 🤷🏽‍♀️ R/s

[@mjmm4654]

Are you dead? just live.

[@KanraLovesHumans]

When people say they were “young and still learning about racism” I expect slip ups like maybe saying the n-word on accident when singing along to a song, not putting on black face numerous times on self-uploaded videos and all that other crazy shit. Maaaan do folks use that phrase liberally to avoid accountability 😒🤦‍♂️

[@althepal234]

Exactly

[@starberry5405]

also "young and learning about racism" is for when you're like, 12. maybe up to 14/15 to learn how prejudice impacts poc in a more in-depth way, and if you're white you do spend your whole life learning new things that you will never personally experience. but by the time you reach your late teens/early adulthood you should fucking know that slurs and blackface = bad, like jesus christ

[@monke980]

@@starberry5405 i mean just because youre white doesnt mean you wont experience the same types of things because of religion or other things like im white but i get a lot of shit for being jewish.

[@ireneg4515]

@@monke980 sadly the world is influenced by more than just one prejudice. Your bad experiences with religious intolerance don't invalidate racism towards black people or vice versa.

[@xx_ratfucker321_xx2]

Yes that is true in the first half,I used to say the n word once in a while when I was about five only at home though and I knew it was bad but I thought it was just another bad word and only learned the meaning about 2 years ago(I was eight I’m ten now) and I’ve never used it since because I know it hurts people and THE FACT THAT I A TEN YEAR OLD KNOWS ABOUT RACISM AND BLACK FACE AND A 24 YEAR OLD DIDNT HOOOOOW

[@JDubs1464]

When you read “the most oppressed group is white people in the entertainment industry.” I had to look up front my drawing and couldn’t move for a solid 10 seconds. As a white male, I was ashamed that people say those things.

[@arumaru3433]

It's completely untrue. Everyone know that gamers are the most oppressed minority of all time...

[@cinnabard955]

Everybody in the replies obviously doesn’t know what a minority is. Some people need to do research before they throw themselves all over the internet. The most oppressed minority is straight white upper class Christian males with a conservative wife and a son.

[@castlinok]

Hey! I know I’m breaking the thread, but I’m just glad that someone watches these kinds of videos while drawing too! Hah

[@arumaru3433]

@@linkkraft3358 I feel so bad for them...😔

[@mrmeep2047]

Dylan Rodrigues Im pretty sure Micha was joking calm down

[@rosieholstein3233]

"Noted female anatomy expert, J.K. Rowling" THAT SHADE THO

[@justkittensbeingkittens5892]

With the “pedophillia is just a kink” thing, many serial killers get off to murdering people so why is that illegal? It’s not like pedophillia hurts anyone, oh wait. It does. There’s so many traumatized children who grew up being groomed and sexually abused. I watched a documentary a while ago about what it was like to be raised by a sexually abusive family member and it was just awful. Children don’t want to speak up against an authority figure even if they’re uncomfortable.

[@alexrose1279]

As a child who has been through this I can confirm what you're saying.

[@neothepenguin1257]

Making it okay makes there a market for it too if that makes any sense

[@akachickennuggets9190]

97% my friends. There’s a reason it’s suddenly become so known how bad this is and how much we need to fix things.

[@poopfingernail2247]

exactly. even if you’re watching it’s sharing and exchanging documentation of people’s trauma

[@myka_bananafarmer]

As a person who has been groomed and faced pedos, I couldn't agree more.

[@Taisiedoll]

Shane completely missed out the fact that he made up his own black characters; one of them was super disturbing. He portrayed black people as less than. I believe there is a difference between dressing up as an actual celebrity regardless of race versus dressing up as black people to make fun of them.

[@Tw0Dots]

Spot on. As a black person myself, a totally agree. I’m so tired of folks treating us as a sub-species. Unrelated, love your pfp

[@Taisiedoll]

@@Tw0Dots aww thank you! 😊

[@emilyrasputin]

Also, Shanaynay (from my 10+ years ago memory when I last watched his stuff) was white, and practically everything she said or did was racist and/or perpetuating harmful stereotypes anyway.

[@Suo_kongque]

@@Tw0DotsI know our experiences are different, but after growing up in an Asian community (I’m Chinese-Cambodian), then moving out to a very white, not so friendly to PoC area when I was 12, it was a shock. For a while, I felt like maybe I really was lesser than, until I met another kid who had gone through the same thing. It became easier to see that we were just as good as the others as time went on. I eventually got into fights with people who went too far with picking on me, and got in trouble for defending myself (American public schools in a nutshell). The area has gotten more diverse and friendlier over the years, but it was rough. I find knowing people with similar (but not the same) experiences can validate my struggles and that’s why I shared. Have a good day

[@bassman9261995]

Jarvis would be a terrible waiter. He keeps spilling the tea

[@Arwenkid]

XD

[@yorukaadams940]

Kay, underrated comment.

[@beamshark]

@@yorukaadams940 agreed 💞💞👍💫

[@dr.alexei7368]

👩🏻‍🍳 💋

[@joey111941]

I think this is the best comment. Lol

[@pykenotpike]

What Shane did to Franchesca Ramsey is such blatant emotional manipulation. He wasn’t even upset that he hurt her, just upset that she might hate him. It’s so infuriating too because, as you said, he clearly hasn’t changed.

[@majimacarioca]

still losing my mind over "white people in the entertrainment business are the most oppressed group in society" i deadass needed to PAUSE the video

[@dumbgayenby]

中原レティ Lmaoo same 😂 😂 😂, like sis, stop playing the victim.

[@Wiflomiflo]

Time stamp?

[@majimacarioca]

@@Wiflomiflo at 30:02 !

[@Wiflomiflo]

@@majimacarioca thank you

[@michealtaormina1561]

gamers:

[@hot.bowl.of.stew94]

I can’t stand when people who are offensive say, “I’m not racist/homophobic/pedophilic! I was just in a dark place 😔” Like bro... I’ve been severely depressed for about 8 years now and I’ve never used a racial/homophobic slur or joked about sexual trauma. If you’re not all of those bad things your mind doesn’t think to act on it.

[@ESeda-lo1dv]

You can get through this, I believe in you. 💪

[@kiwibanana7590]

Or when they say "it's just bc I was drunk" As if that changed anything? Drunk actions are sober thoughts

[@royalblanket]

I've tried to tell someone this, but he still defends his groomer. He's still friends with him even. It keeps me up at night.

[@emilyau8023]

I honestly remember when I was younger I wanted to be Shane Dawson....that aged REALLY badly

[@emilyau8023]

@@royalblanket yah ..it must be a coping mechanism

[@anad.7428]

12:50 an apology should never start with “ I cAnT bELiEVE i HaVe tO Do tHis. I cAnT bELiEVE tHiS iS HaPpeNinG”

[@Ash-qy9hk]

Right

[@gggthsb]

Also it shouldn't contain any justification. It undermines the apology when you put a bunch of buts and excuses in there. If you are still going to justify your racism and awfulness with 'but I had a rough childhood' or 'but I didn't mean it in a bad way' you are not apologising.

[@fxtchmetheirsoulz]

nut videis

[@dotdotdot...176]

"It's clear that what really troubles him is how he's perceived, and not the harm he's done." This. This is so powerful.

[@Jessica-C-]

It's really annoying how creators and their fans will be like "it was so long ago" and "it was a different time" like... he's not your racist grandpa, it wasn't the '50s, it was like 2011 or something. It's not a secret that blackface and stereotyping are racist lmao. It's not hard to figure out. I simply don't have sympathy

[@deltasriracha8830]

this!! it was only a few years ago, and you can tell he hasn’t changed at all

[@KaelWrit]

Also, Blackface was always meant to be cruel and racist. There may be times when someone thought painting their face wasnt the same thing or something, but that isnt what Shane was doing as he was clearly mocking Black people based on racist stereotypes in an extreme way. The 50s wasnt really that long ago, but 2011 or 2014 definitely was not; I can understand why someone under 20 can perceive ten years as a long time, but for someone Shane’s age, it isnt, and who thinks 5 years is a long time who isnt literally 5?

[@ashleyk3602]

I feel like the “it was so long ago” works if you were 8 and said the R word. Definitely not 24 wearing blackface and making pedo jokes. SUPER DIFFERENT

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

Now here’s the thing I gotta agree it’s super wrong to be it was a long time ago (which definitely isn’t in actual time but when you look at this man was a part of the bringing of the worldwide net since it’s been only 30 years of the launch of it and he’s been a creator since 2006? Or whatever which is 14 years so I can see it be old for that reason.) but it also is wrong to doubt that a hasn’t changed, a year is enough to make one person change in my experience, but if the person isn’t trying to change or is obviously not changing then it’s dumb to defend them and say it’s fine, this is true because as soon as the they acknowledge the fact they must start to somewhat change. later on but in this case it’s been so long where when he first apologized that wasn’t good enough because he didn’t work to make a change, I think that when someone says something offensive and it isn’t funny or just plain wrong that they can change and that’s only when I can see them change, if they don’t make a part to apologize then work on themselves then they don’t deserve the excuse that it was a long time ago cause it wasn’t, things change and one year is enough but if that one year of work doesn’t show or stick after the fact then they aren’t a good person and that what shane exactly did.

[@bellac6311]

Yeah! Like, i can forgive my 90 year old grandma for saying something racist, because that really was a different time, and she was raised on different ideals and morals. But a grown man, raised throughiut the 90s and 00s, has absolutely no excuse for such behaviour.

[@leahpark5245]

the words "here's my justification for pedophilia" are a big red flag in the first place, those are words that should never be uttered and it's interesting that Shane doesn't include the fact he said this to preface his comment in his own video.

[@hagathachristie]

dude sounded like a perp from law and order: svu with that one. like... he really said that with his ENTIRE CHEST. i refuse to believe it was a bit because frankly shane isn't a great actor.

[@jays.4969]

5:27 I did a bit of digging, and it’s almost impossible that Shane didn’t know what blackface was. According to Wikipedia and information from his books, he was born in 1988 and went to Lakewood High in Long Beach, California. Using some simple math, I figured out he would have been in high school in the years around 2004. Looking at the school’s current social science classes and the California standards of education, he would have definitely taken U.S. History at some point, which includes learning about the Jim Crow era. The term “Jim Crow” was literally in reference to a RACIST BLACKFACE CARICATURE, so unless he paid no attention to history at any point during this unit, Shane would have learned the meaning and historical context. If he grew up in a state with deep Confederate history, I may have given him the benefit of the doubt, but he’s from my state. He knew exactly what he was doing.

[@kendrickdinger]

Damn you did some serious Sherlock Holmes investigation🔎

[@ShibuNub3305]

Shane’s US History teacher: “The Jim Crow laws, named after a popular blackface minstrel show known for racist jokes, were essentially successors to the fugitive slave acts and- Shane: *_I’ma pretend I didn’t see that_*

[@iamsomeone417]

I'm sorry if I sound stupid but, what do you mean by giving him a benefit of a doubt if he was from a state with deep Confederate roots? I'm from Alabama, which I assume is an example of what you are talking about (again forgive me if I'm completely wrong), and I have learned about the Jim Crow era many times and that it was a horrible time in history, especially considering the things Alabama did during that time. So even if Shane was in a state with deep Confederate roots, he would still learn about blackface and how horrible it is. Edit: I realize my comment was unnecessary and comes across as defensive which was not my intent, but that's my fault for not writing this comment better. I think what Shane did was inexcusable and unjustifiable, and I reacted negatively to someone saying they would give him the benefit of a doubt which did not even matter as it was only for a hypothetical situation. I apologize for jumping the gun, I wanted to explain what I thought might have been an excuse when I should have made sure i understood all of what they were saying in order to provide a comment that would have contributed to the conversation instead of derailing it.

[@PM-rp4bl]

Holy darn. I don't mean to defend him in any way, but _I_ didn't know that! I thought "Jim Crow" was the man who enforced these laws. that's a criticism of our horrible us education system. still doesn't absolve him of blatant racism tho

[@ambz7728]

damn you really came through with the reciepts 💀

[@JessicaUzumaki]

I think what Shane said about "not understanding" why pedophiles aren't allowed to look up search terms like "naked baby" and jerk off to them was particularly showing of his character. He NEVER seems to take the other party into account. I bet he was one of those people at the start of covid that was like "Oh yeah, we should just have stores be open for only a couple hours a day with mandatory masking so that others who don't want to wear them can take the greater risk on their own time - even though this COMPLETELY forgets that staff are, in fact, people.

[@BoringTroublemaker]

“I don’t have the time to Google naked babies.... and that’s weird and gross”

[@kosmic_overlord]

both of these have that same, gross energy... like you have to have "time" to be a pedophile 🤔 busy people just can't do it

[@D_YellowMadness]

"Take 5! Action!" "I don't have time to Google naked babies. And that's weird and gross. Cut! Let's use that take."

[@bandamani]

Think y'all are reading to much into that one. Seems like he was trying to make the situation a little lighter by throwing some kind of a joke in there, his pause was intentional and saying the worse part second was intentional. I guess he shouldn't have even attempted a joke in that kind of video especially if ppl are gonna take it the wrong way.

[@beriasims1869]

@@bandamani In that pary he was literally comparing pedophilia to a foot fetish.

[@bandamani]

@@beriasims1869 I was talking about the joke he made in the apology, not the clip from the podcast

[@Dontmindbb]

My issue with Shane is that he never feel genuine.

[@autopsyblue]

I get what you mean, but I think that's largely cause he's an extremely anxious person. But also that's not really a problem, you know? That's more of why you are or aren't a part of his audience.

[@choco_L8]

@@autopsyblue I don't really see how anxiety determines if you can be genuine or not

[@nootnewt9323]

Henry G. I have anxiety, very severe in fact. A few weeks ago I got so anxious I made myself sick. I don’t think anyone would describe me as not being genuine.

[@nikibronson133]

I would definitely say you're in the minority on that I've always felt that he came across as genuine in both his mistakes and his successes. Did genuineness is him being defensive because when you're accused of something that you don't feel like you're guilty of of course you're going to be defensive but the activist he is some sort of predator on the level of R Kelly is ridiculous

[@percibaltwinkus]

it feels like there's a mask he puts on when he films videos... and maybe everyone does, but his is more off-putting

[@courthebrave]

Sad thing is i used to be a huge fan of Shane when i was 13 until 14 years old. So thanks to him making sexual assault, self harm, etc, normal, it led me to believe it was normal to be hurt in my own personal life. I am a victim of sexual, mental, and physical abuse. I had no clue what any of those things were until a friend opened my eyes and made me realize what was happening to me. People can come at me and say it was my fault or my parents failed me but i believe society let me down. My parents tried to teach me those important life lessons but i said it was gross and refused to listen because those types of things were something that was not taught correctly to me at school and people online proved to be no help as well. Sex jokes were funny and being abused by guys was something to be taken lightly because it was a “joke”. The internet does influence young minds. Protect your kids by teaching them internet behavior and real life behavior as well. This world is already crazy enough. Build a better future.

[@cease842]

That’s so awful that you went through that. I hope you’re doing well now ❤️

[@shae.2214]

I used to like him too, he made me ignorant of my own mentally abusive relationship. I think that he deserves 100% to be de-platformed because he is influencing young minds to become more like him. And I’ll be damned if I let a bunch of kids have to go through what I did without help. I was lucky to have someone like I did to help me and I know that there are people out there who don’t. So f*ck Shane and f*ck manipulators

[@NICKaddictfan]

tw / abuse About to make a similar comment you had. It really hurts how I was so young and I had no idea how much negative impact he has done. I was also in a similar mentally and sexually abusive relationship and was in a very bad place. I couldn't see what was wrong because Shane is normalizing those things.

[@annakepes8050]

What you went through was no way your fault

[@cosamallender3276]

@@annakepes8050 what.

[@Max-to9zg]

I'm literally European and learned about black face and the Jim Crow era in general in my English class... but yeah, an American not knowing about racism against non-white people in his own country is 100% believable.

[@cez_is_typing]

Yeah I’m from the uk and learnt about it in history when I was 14/15 (it was a course you had to choose to take but still) So Pretty unbelievable

[@mbrammy7]

How old were you guys? I’m Australian and didn’t learn about American slavery until High School

[@eddiejames4006]

@@mbrammy7 I’m an Aussie and I didn’t really learn about this stuff in school at all (I went to Catholic schools for 11 years). We focused mainly on the World Wars, Aus history, and ancient history as far as I remember. I wish I’d learnt more about these issues though. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was just a Catholic school thing and maybe this was taught at State schools. EDIT: I learnt some stuff in an optional Modern History class when I was 16 and out of Catholic school, but it should’ve been taught earlier.

[@mbrammy7]

@@eddiejames4006 - my history education was very similar and I attended public schools and went to probably the best funded public high school in the state but the curriculum was similar, we mostly focused on Australian history and then mostly world history in High School and I was not actually taught about the Atlantic-slave trade in school, but just googled it when I was in high school because I was confused about the history of African Americans, I think as a young child I had assumed African Americans were immigrants just like my African Australian friends who were 1st/2nd gen immigrants I completely agree and I do wonder if other Australian kids have a similar experience I did while growing up consuming so much American media

[@PointsofData]

Beyond the school thing, we (Americans) are drowning in discourse about identity and ethnicity and all that. Movies, TV shows, books, music...there is no way Shane didn't come across something outside of school, at some point, that referenced blackface. The reason he found it funny and edgy to say the n-word and do blackface was because it shocked people. He knew it would be shocking. Why was it shocking? Because it's extremely offensive to an entire group of people. There is no way, between school and general media exposure, he didn't know what he was doing.

[@NimhLabs]

"it was just a weird family moment" Uh... hello, Child Services? We have a major thing to intervene upon

[@ygobe2]

Sweet home Alabama

[@minainside5166]

Uhh......

[@dvldog_]

If that was just a normal "family moment" I don't think you deserve to have family.

[@akor7035]

@@dvldog_ damn

[@whostamera]

As a kid I once attempted to watch a Shane Dawson video but my older brother yelled at me and told me it was spam and if I watched his videos I’d get a virus on the computer. Im so grateful for him 😌

[@DBC428]

Your brother is so ahead of his time😅 i never watched shane’s vids even as a kid but i dont even know the reason why, just felt like i wasnt into his content, so yeah, grateful for both of our conditions lmao

[@slothisasin8240]

The hero we never knew we needed

[@-desertpackrat]

Good brother, whew.

[@laureniliffe4772]

The way he treats his underage fans is actually terrifying, considering how many youtubers have been revealed over the years as being inappropriate with underage fans. This kind of culture helps to groom kids for those other creators, even if he didn't actually assault underage fans himself. (Which... y'know, he definitely kinda did)

[@soulwriter6342]

Which time did he kinda assault someone underage? I'm not defending him or supporting him im just genuinely curious I think I missed that instance

[@AvengeTheTRexOfSteel]

@@soulwriter6342 kissing a 12 year old. Yes that is assault. He is a non family member kissing a 12 year old. 12 year olds cannot consent.

[@wolfzmusic9706]

akida that is not assault. assault is a physical attack.

[@Ren-uq7pd]

Wolfz Music Sexual harassment or assault doesn’t necessarily need to be violent, if someone randomly grabs a girls ass who doesn’t want it, that is sexual assault. Unlike general physical assault, but sexual assault can be unwanted sexual advances especially when it is clear the victim doesn’t consent, which minors cannot. It can also be true if the perpetrator uses power, status, or a threat to convince the victim. One could argue that Shane kissing an underage girl was taking advantage of his status. Please don’t spread potentially damaging narratives about some sort of image you have seen these things portrayed as. The truth is that especially for minors, many things qualify as assault or harassment, and most minors don’t come forward about it for awhile if at all, because of ideas that it has to be inherently “violent.”

[@wolfzmusic9706]

Emma Sab With sexual assault, you need to touch that person. When Shane made that girl twerk or said disgusting things towards fans, that is not sexual assault. Yes it’s obviously terrible but it isn’t assault since in those instances he didn’t touch anyone.

[@izzymiller5538]

the scary thing is, the other day he posted on his instagram story something about having this book for their “future child” and that made me really… uncomfortable. he is a grown man that sexualizes children and teens. I don’t think he should ever have a child of his own, that is scary.

[@greatcheifofhanging6106]

Oh my-I swear to god they better change their mind or Ryland leaves or someone stops them! cause I cannot 🤢🤢🤢🤢 we cannot have this man abuse his child in any way!

[@Strawlighte]

I feel like Shane’s most recent apology video was just trying to copy JennaMarbles’ video about holding herself accountable and taking a step away from KZbin, But his was without any of the actual research or thought behind what was wrong with his actions

[@LezbeOswald]

Jenna's video was "here's the problematic/racially insensitive content I've done in the past, I'm genuinely sorry, I have no excuses," and Shane's vid was "i did some bad things, i really don't know how to apologize, i had such a rough life, it's only natural to be racist/inappropriate to minors when you're sad :(". plus Jenna's wasn't a reaction to people pulling out receipts, she just did it of her own accord, while Shane's was definitely an attempt to save face.

[@crunchii891]

moxxi to the max T H I S

[@SlashoftheGreatnessOfficial]

cheese

[@ashwinnaidoo796]

moxxi to the max well she was getting a bunch of hate on Twitter, too much hate imo

[@andrewnovak1390]

Honestly that's giving him too much credit. He's very aware of all the shit he's done and he knows that if he acknowledged everything from the blackface to the sexualising minors and predatory behavior, that would make him look really bad, so he only chose to apologize the blackface bit. It's the same as his apology from a few years ago, when he focused on "proving" he wasn't a pedo and only acknowledged the podcast clip and the "his bf and his ex have baby faces" criticism instead of the more serious accusations, because he knows that his fans aren't going to look into the clips and the threads and look at all the evidence and will just accept his word at face value. Even the most recent apology has hundreds of thousands of likes because his fans have a parasocial relationship with him and believe him no matter what. He knows exactly that he's doing and never really stopped manipulating people.

[@phoenixgirl70]

When Shane did his first apology, he was 26. He was at that time online asking children to do sexual things online. How can you not want him to go away? If he was sorry why did he keep all of the blackface, pedophilia and animal sexual abuse videos on his channel up until a few months ago, they were still monitized! He shouldn’t be on You Tube, period.

[@angelicasysnila5476]

His audience were kids, this was the biggest problem. He never deserved any single of the views back then in 2014, but its such a shame he was always given so much attention. Only good thing will be that he completely vanishes from the internet and never ever shows up his dirty existent here again.

[@SuperNicktendo]

It's always baffled me that he was able to skirt these allegations for so long. I'm 37 and I remember when Ted Danson got in trouble for blackface in 1993. You don't get to make these garbage takes, wait 10 years and get to tell people that it was a different time back then. No. We're better than this.

[@Diphenhydra]

Super Nicktendo I hear this a lot. I think what he means is that the Internet was just super racist back then. So if everyone is, it’s not out of place for him to be. And, yeah, I remember it being extremely racist. It doesn’t mean that it was right for him to do it, but he is right in saying that everyone was racist, or at least making a lot of racist “jokes.” Again, wasn’t correct for him, or anyone else, but it was popular at the time.

[@IzzyAndAndy]

“We’re better than this” we literally elected an obese, racist, pedophile as president.

[@user-je7pp2wg3m]

Are we?

[@shiannafoxx]

@@IzzyAndAndy "We"?

[@RobertChandler1107]

@@IzzyAndAndy Couldn't have been said any better.

[@aztecghost]

My least favourite kind of apology has to be "I hurt other people and now I feel yucky, help me" and Shane Dawson seems only capable of making that kind of apology

[@Jigglexphysics]

What is insane to me is the number of people who say “Why are y’all just now getting mad about his content?” As if black people and other POC haven’t been speaking about Shame Slawson’s racism since the start. Just because non POC were oblivious to his racism until now doesn’t mean POC were. Like D’Angelo mentioned, his black face vids were minstrel shows, PERIODT

[@RatEatingSevenWorms]

"Why didn't you say anything sooner?" Ummm, maybe because those who did were faced with hoards of angry fans harassing and threatening them constantly? Maybe because they didn't have a platform? Maybe because POC voices are being amplified way more than they ever had so you just notice more now? Maybe that's a bad faith argument made to dismiss criticisms of past behavior? Nahhh, it's definitely that we're just riding the trend and our words are meaningless. Definitely that.

[@marvelouslee4427]

Also I was literally 8 lol. I didn’t even discover Shane until his conspiracy videos. Had no idea about the start he had. Yucky

[@bali8068]

Yeah, but it's not just that. Im a black woman and was completely unaware of his past, I discovered him from his conspiracy videos and his fanbase and his fake persona definitely fooled me for a while. It wasn't till a few months ago that one of my friends told me about his past. Just because time has passed doesn't make his actions any less disturbing!

[@yawninglion1677]

I've never watched his stuff. I'd heard the legends of his controversies, but had no idea about their depth until...this video now.

[@kshitijsharma2200]

That T at the end though

[@tegantalks9612]

I have a young daughter and if I saw an adult content creator saying things to her that Shane said to those young girls, I would be losing my fucking mind.

[@bubblesa8653]

yeah im very surprised he hasnt been faced legal action or at least gone through some kind or trouble by parents of the kids he basically assaulted. i would go absolutely ape shit if i saw someone doing that to any child let alone MY child

[@hannahkat9722]

he talks like he was born yesterday and didn't even know what racism was - as a white kid in an almost entirely white neighbourhood and school, I somehow learnt that racism and racist slurs are bad by the time I reached high school, and here is a man in his 20s repeatedly doing blackface and pretending he didn't know it was wrong

[@hannahkat9722]

@@aliviag6947 I'm from Scotland that's how we spell it

[@lukemorgan9231]

Actually, Shane Dawson is in their early 30's by now. (19/7/1988)

[@ChiWren]

PcheeseTsauceX mg learnt is past tense...

[@ChiWren]

Hannah Kat couldn't agree with you more. It's unbelievable that it's an argument he's trying to use. Unless he was raised in a cult out in woop woop, it doesn't hold.

[@ChiWren]

PcheeseTsauceX mg by some countries you mean every country aside from America and Canada. Incorrectly criticing isn't what I'd consider humour

[@yourfavoritebubbe7444]

I genuinely think Shane did an immense amount of harm to me as a child. Especially when it comes to race. I had a lot of unlearning to do as I got older and I have no doubt that some amount of that was caused by Shane's content which I watched when I was WAY too young. I knew it was wrong to watch shane too cause I wouldn't show his videos to my mom. Toby Turner, who as it would later end up being just as bad, I could show to my mom. But I never showed shane to her or any of my family.

[@marrchaney9206]

The issue is that as a victim of grooming during my childhood, a lot of Shane's actions are IDENTICAL to how my neighbor treated me. I'm not saying he's actively groomed anyone, but the fact that he was normalizing that time of behavior just isn't right.

[@lilyhart3204]

Exactly. Im sort you had to go through that. Anyone who acts like that, even if they havent groomed anyone, is a danger to society in their own way.

[@SwanSong99]

@@lilyhart3204 Sorry *

[@pocktgobln]

Shane uses his metal illnesses as an excuse. As someone with depression and anxiety(everyone is different im just using mine as an example) i can say that its not an excuse not to own up to my actions. If I said something that offended someone, im not going to use my anxiety as an excuse not to deal with the situation.

[@puflem]

Exactly.

[@earthtovesna]

Absolutely.

[@camrynpham635]

i second that. i have a lot of social anxiety and other anxiety-based problems daily but that doesn’t make me wanna be disrespectful to a group of people for “humor” shane is just a terrible person.

[@lizard3755]

I've dealt with mental illness from age nine and even as a child I was able to recognize that even though I couldn't always control the emotions I was experiencing it didn't make it okay for me to do something hurtful or wrong. People who use mental illness as a get-out-of-jail-free card make it harder for those of us (pretty much all of us) that are just out here living our lives and working to get to and stay in a good place. Thanks for repping the decent humans out here dealing with mental issues.

[@pocktgobln]

@KILEY KITTRIDGE yes!! It makes others with the same illness look bad

[@sophieeula]

as someone who was a YOUNG fan of shane’s when he was at his worst, he groomed me, in a way, into thinking that the way he talked to kids was okay. he also made me believe that horrible racial stereotypes were okay bc it’s eDgY🤪 but it’s not. i went and unlearned all of that horrible shit because of people like him and also my racist hometown, but the fact that he’s over 30 and still hasn’t taken an actual look on how horrible the things he’s done is, means to me he absolutely doesn’t need a platform, doesn’t deserve one and i think his tome for apologies has passed.

[@beautifullyhandsom]

THIS!!

[@Toph7777]

Same and he normalized this to the point where I let others be racist to me

[@yxw6528]

i watched someone's video of shane saying what he did was parasocial grooming and it opened my eyes. i'll link his video when i find it edit: found it. here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZbWZmynfd-qpaM

[@lesabri]

@@yxw6528 thanks! wow. so many people are coming forward with their experiences and it's heart breaking.

[@the-real-franz-kafka]

@@Toph7777 omg this. this is why it's so dangerous. he's normalising so many things, making kids think if they have trauma, they can do whatever they want. making kids think it's funny and edgy to be racist to their peers, their peers thinking it's normal. it's a cycle.

[@Angeloflight7]

This Shane person comes off literally dead inside and completely souless. He really is missing the human aspect to him.. something is just REALLY off with him

[@hendgamal8]

I know Jarvis says he doesn’t want Shane cancelled, but after watching this I 100% want him cancelled and gone off the internet

[@yuioyup]

Shane + Keemstar and all of the other YT psychopaths

[@herefortheshrimp1469]

His introduction honestly seems to ...uh...contradict the things he showed in the video. How in the world does all of this NOT show that Shane is a person that actually does deserve to be de-platformed since he never ever learns?

[@mochijellybean]

Tatiana Avery for real...as if these platforms wouldn’t be better off without him 💀 there are far too many other people in this world for anyone to be worrying about a grown white man’s undeserved career

[@hendgamal8]

em ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ absolutely! Why should I care that a MILLIONAIRE who lives in a mansion and will be well off for the rest of his life lost his career for horrible things he continuously does and never learns from?

[@sylviaortiz914]

Antonio E so everyone? On KZbin.

[@jabileeric5061]

The fact that Shane doesn't actually seem to acknowledge the issue with sexualisiting minors says one of two things: A) he genuinely does not know or comprehend what he has done and the ramifications of this - which is VERY unlikely B) he knows full well what he's done and, for some reason, doesn't openly accept his wrongdoings. My thinking is option B. He doesn't accept his wrongdoings in public because he believes the backlash will hurt his already damaged reputation, when in reality openly accepting your wrongdoings goes a long way, more than those "apology" videos he made in the past. Actually, the fact that he keeps going on and on about his abusive past says to me that he is trying to normalise abuse in the past as a cause for present abuse - remember, abuse causes abuse, but it NEVER justifies it.

[@ShibuNub3305]

Option A should just be labeled “obviously incorrect”

[@TheRacingWind]

SEXUAL ASSAULT CW: I have this kind of weird theory that if he acknowledges his present wrongdoings he will have to confront that he is perpetuating the harm that was done to him as a child (he has repeatedly claimed to have been molested). I think he has a hard time facing that

[@AmyAberrant]

He justifies his abuse by saying things like “I was abused” “it was a joke” “it was okay at the time” and other well known manipulation tactics abusers use.

[@rxgxrds]

Friendly reminder that Shane and Onision talked for awhile-

[@Katie-ws7xp]

Oh they were best buds for a bit more than a while

[@ku8408]

And did you know they kissed???!? 😳😳😳 Onision loves to remind everyone about that

[@sawyer2044]

he was in a brandon rogers video and i’m confused

[@skunkskiestink6620]

I don’t remember them being bffs. I think they were in contact but famously shame kinda ghosted Greg and that’s why he hates him now. They only kissed on a dare or spin the bottle at a convention they met at

[@miraann1929]

@@sawyer2044 wait, was it shane or Greg that was in a brandon Rodgers video?

[@ashleymorgstewart]

As an actor what he said about us made my blood boil. Like sorry I’m not gonna want to work for a horrible human being.