Duvall stated in an interview that he really wanted to do the third film but they money they were offering him was disrespectful. He was a main character in the first two movies and, with Vito, Sonny, and Fredo dead, would have been the second lead in part three behind Pacino. He thought he should at least get paid half of what Pacino was making but they refused. Diane Keaton was paid twice what they offered Duvall. He rightfully saw it as an insult, considering he was an A-list actor in his own right. The studio said they didn't need him and the movie would be great without him, so he declined. I'm not sure what role Coppola played in the negotiations, but without Tom Hagen the movie became the worst in the trilogy, by far. I've seen part one and two over a dozen times, but I've only watch part three once and probably will never watch it again. It's just not good, and Pacino's acting is way too over the top. They really dropped the ball on that one.
@sickheadache99032 жыл бұрын
Yep! That was it%! Money!
@angelahoskavich32152 жыл бұрын
I agree
@hanynada67522 жыл бұрын
Can't agree more 👍👍👍
@adrianotero79632 жыл бұрын
I would agree with that....the Godfather is not the same without Duvall......something is missing.
@dllockard73242 жыл бұрын
Well said. Hard to watch GF III, and so I turned off early.
@IvanLendl872 жыл бұрын
The absence of Tom Hagen in Godfather 3 pretty much sealed the fate of the film to mediocrity. In Godfather 1 & 2 it was Tom who was the voice of reason and showed a large measure of civility compared to the rest of the Corleone family. With Michael trying to get away from the organized crime life, the character of Tom Hagen would’ve been crucial in that regard. And Duvall is a great actor who would’ve upped the acting quotient.
@treystephens61662 жыл бұрын
Some day this war is going to end …
@MrTCHOSS2 жыл бұрын
Agree 100%. Behind Michael, the most important character was Tom. The family attorney, then the consigliere, later the acting-boss. The studio (including director FFC) really screwed that up. Duvall was so severely missed, he proved the studio should have forked over the money. In the end... it came out to a few million dollars to get Duvall in a movie that has grossed $20 million its first weekend and made $160 million globally.
@blanchewarren48882 жыл бұрын
Today he would of been replaced by a black actor
@pauliewalnuts20072 жыл бұрын
@@blanchewarren4888 😂😂😂
@rd97932 жыл бұрын
@@MrTCHOSS You mean Big Mike?
@philmann34762 жыл бұрын
"They made him an offer he could refuse...and he did." Hilarious -- well done.
@one51media354 ай бұрын
Duval asked for a $ 1 Million dollars and they offered him less.
@redlizerad82682 ай бұрын
@@one51media35that’s wild to imagine. He was a well known actor by that point and a crucial character to where Michael was heading in the third film. But somehow they didn’t think he was worth a million bucks?
@TheLaird123Ай бұрын
3:13 that's where it's said for all who like timestamps
@marksheppard6498 Жыл бұрын
Duvalls character added the richness to the series and it was sorely missing in the third installment.
@mrkeiths482 жыл бұрын
Tom Hagen was a major figure in the Godfather story. It's unfortunate that he was excluded over compensation to make the movie.
@lorimcevoy94192 жыл бұрын
He wasn't excluded. He said no because they offered him to little. So they just wrote him out.
@lanicoya4152 жыл бұрын
I would have loved to see Robert Duval in the Godfather part 3. He was definitely missed
@treystephens61662 жыл бұрын
He should have just done it.
@tr71982 жыл бұрын
The movie itself was very controversial in subject matter at the time.
@imjinrat23252 жыл бұрын
He probably would have helped a little, but he wasn't missed as much as Clemenza was in II.
@guaddv2 жыл бұрын
Duvall couldn't be talked back because they couldn't agree on his salary.
@tlist19702 жыл бұрын
@Jesus is Muslim 3X what they offered Pacino. He said 2X would have been ok, but that was an insult and I didn’t blame him.
@amalHope37 ай бұрын
I always loved Tom Hagan's character and I think his role in the Corleone family was vital
@luisbielich8145 Жыл бұрын
to replace robert duvall with george hamilton is like cinderella's fairy godmother replacing the two mice and the pumpkin with a couple of roaches and a zucchini...
@carlaphoenix89658 ай бұрын
Very well put. You nailed it.
@awillis2447 ай бұрын
Yeah, he didn’t fit, nor did even his name.
@jamesdrynan7 ай бұрын
I think Hamilton did an adequate job with the part as it was written, but it was a cardboard character.
@davidpeters51177 ай бұрын
As much as I like them, George Hamilton, Eli Wallach and Joe Mantegna were out of place in GF III. Robert Duval and his character Tom Hagen were sorely needed and missed. This project was more akin to a three part made for tv movie than a major studio release.
@craignewnes51486 ай бұрын
Too funny! I just basically wrote the same comments. HA!
@ConnorHolbrook419 Жыл бұрын
Tom was honestly probably my favorite character, he’s just so dedicated, educated and unwavering in his dignity and loyalty. Also I believe it’s widely agreed Part 3 was good but it’s not in the same league as 1 and 2. Just different levels of film quality
@My20GUNS9 ай бұрын
Nah, part 3 is legitimately bad. If it wasn't Godfather, it'd be an average/mediocre mafia movie. But it is, and it's all the more pathetic & embarrassing
@serenityinside14 ай бұрын
@@My20GUNS correct. poster above an idiot !!
@BUBBLESPOGO3 ай бұрын
Sames as Star Wars. The first 2 were good. 3rd. Meh. Rest. Horrible story lines.
@RedSiegfried Жыл бұрын
The Godfather and The Godfather Part II were great movies. It's a shame they never made a third one.
@bogusmogus9551 Жыл бұрын
Lol!
@rahulgyawali Жыл бұрын
Search 'Godfather III'
@Pottasium92 Жыл бұрын
@@rahulgyawali It doesn't show anything canon, only fan stories and fan films.
@joharimamat2154 Жыл бұрын
@@rahulgyawali Did not catch the drift?
@documentthedrama8279 Жыл бұрын
almost as sad as metallica never making a fifth album after making 4 classics
@NoirL.A.2 жыл бұрын
both TOM HAGEN and PETER CLEMENZA were lost to the series over money. there were other issues too but it was mostly money which i think is pretty sad.
@robhaskins2 жыл бұрын
It's really too bad that the powers that be, knowing how great The Godfather was, imagined they could get by without Clemenza in part 2; then they repeated the same mistake with Hagen in part 3. Very foolish production decisions.
@NoirL.A.2 жыл бұрын
@@robhaskins agreed.
@scottjohnson30172 жыл бұрын
@@robhaskins Godfather II stands on it's own, however, I think they did an excellent job in filling that void by showing young Pete Clemenza and the key role he played in the founding of the Corleone family. Tom Hagen not being in Godfather III was bad enough, however I'm not sure him being in it could've saved the film as a whole.
@georgesouthwick70002 жыл бұрын
The Clemenza character (Richard Castilano) not only wanted a huge amount of money, but he also insisted on his girlfriend getting a part as well.
@robhaskins2 жыл бұрын
@@georgesouthwick7000 I'd say he deserved both-he was THAT good.
@josecarreon1828 Жыл бұрын
I bet now they regret not paying Duvall what he asked for
@razorsharp85492 жыл бұрын
Tom Hagen always was faithful to Michael and the family. He was the voice of reason for the best interests of the family.
@Vahe3452 ай бұрын
He was faithful and they don't pay him enough, so sad.
@RidgeRunner102 жыл бұрын
I believe Duvall said in an interview after III was released that they tried to get him on the cheap since Pacino wanted such a huge paycheck and he refused. Reminded Coppola that he was in a fact a 2x Oscar winner and his Tom Hagen character was central to the story - but they wouldn't budge
@jaybell1390 Жыл бұрын
@CTL 123. They Didn't go Against the Family. 😅😅
@bobbysimmons275511 ай бұрын
Only won one oscar
@awillis2447 ай бұрын
Awful misstake
@awillis2447 ай бұрын
Mistake mistake mistake.
@djtoona6 ай бұрын
@@bobbysimmons2755 He beat castmates Al Pacino and James Caan for that Oscar
@hansenfiet25392 жыл бұрын
Could you imagine the first two films without Tom Hagen in them? Yeah, me either! That’s why the third felt like it was missing something throughout the entire movie!
@Thespeedrap2 жыл бұрын
The third one was a waste of time and resource that migh had damage Coppola's career after that.
@bogusmogus9551 Жыл бұрын
Didn't help that Goodfellas was released at the same time. Made G3 look as dull as ditchwater
@Thespeedrap Жыл бұрын
@@bogusmogus9551 Of Course Godfather 3 was the weakest and I think he tried to compete with Scorsese too much during that time.
@urosmarjanovic663 Жыл бұрын
@@bogusmogus9551 Inbreeding romance also didn't help.
@maxt7078 ай бұрын
Actually, the character Sonny was described as dark-haired, big muscular, and not the scrawny chest we see.
@rsr7892 жыл бұрын
Interesting thing about Luca Brasi: he was played by Lenny Montana, a real life 'enforcer' for Colombo crime family.
@charlie-obrien2 жыл бұрын
When the studio decided to low-ball Duvall for the reprise of his role as Tom Hagen, they where probably thinking that Andy Garcia would carry the second male lead part in the film. Boy were they wrong. That, plus Coppola's daughter in the second female lead killed Godfather III and it probably shouldn't even be considered as a sequel to Godfather I & II. It downright sucks.
@jephrokimbo90502 жыл бұрын
agree with BOTH points you made
@dc6461 Жыл бұрын
Michael at the end of gf2 is Michael from gf3 only older. Sofia was a mistake but she wasn't first,second or even third choice
@nenemalo83032 ай бұрын
Michael kills tom , for being with Kate while he was gone, in the second movie
@JohnS-il1dr2 ай бұрын
The only good scene in 3 was Pacino yelling in silence after Sofia got shot.
@HouseTre007Ай бұрын
Definitely doesn’t suck, ur just being emotional. Not as good as the first two tho
@emkkahn2 жыл бұрын
Tom Hagen was arguably the BEST character the first two films. The lack of him in part 3 to counter Mike's growing crazy would have made that movie so much better. Also, Robert Duvall is a fantastic actor. The first thing I saw him in was an episode of the Twilight Zone, "The Miniature" and it's still one of my fav episodes. Great video, thanks!
@faunbudweis2 жыл бұрын
Prendegast in Falling Down and Boss Spearman in Open Range
@cagedtigersteve2 жыл бұрын
He wasn't better than Marlon Brando.
@patobantan4202 жыл бұрын
@@cagedtigersteve or AL Pacino
@Louis_Davout2 жыл бұрын
@@cagedtigersteve Yeah, he was...
@skydiverclassc20312 жыл бұрын
Boo Radley in 'To Kill a Mockingbird'.
@SombraPiloto2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was losing my mind when i saw the title of the video because I've seen Godfather I and II more times than I can possibly count and don't remember Tom dying in either of them. Turns out I simply forgot that Godfather III even exists. I'm not sure I ever knew it existed at all.
@TheScourge-sg5vv5 ай бұрын
Well your lucky. Dont waste your time watching it
@harryleimgruber120211 ай бұрын
Tom Hagen was undoubteless a major figure in Part 1 and 2 of the Godfather. He's part of the family and loyal to the tooth. What a shame the producer didn't want to pay him what he deserved...!!!
@zafarsobhan91912 жыл бұрын
The Achilles heel of Godfather 2 was that they wrote out Clemenza and created the character of Frank Pentangeli. The story would have been 10 times better as originally written. The fact that Frank Pentangeli was created for the movie and therefore didn't have any real back story robbed his betrayal arc of any real dramatic substance and was the movie's fatal flaw. That too was a contract dispute! SMH
@crakatoot5480Ай бұрын
I can’t see Clemenza being a rat
@PaulGreen112 жыл бұрын
Best Tom Hagan Scene... "Don't worry about anything Frankie Five Angels."
@WinterJMG Жыл бұрын
I’m glad they didn’t go with Michael and Tom going to war with eachother. But you can’t really ignore the disrespect toward Tom with them “killing him off” just like that. Sucks because he was an important character.
@jbmorgan2 жыл бұрын
I didn't think Michael would have had Tom killed, since as you say he would have confessed it in the Vatican scene, but I always assumed the two would have been estranged after Fredo's death, since Tom was surely aware of what had really happened, and he also clearly wasn't on board with what Michael was doing towards the end of Part II, so it would make sense.
@paullinford45102 жыл бұрын
Yes and the entire narrative arc of Godfather 2 points towards that - by the end, Michael has slaughtered all his enemies but also alienated himself from his wife, his children and his closest friends, including Tom, hence the closing shots of him sitting alone contemplating his pyrrhic victory.
@mrcuttime222 ай бұрын
I agree with you and paullinford4510, and would add that Michael might've also seen Kate's "miscarriage" as Tom's fault. That Kate confessed it was an abortion would surely add insult to injury, and he'd blame Tom for not controlling her. I feel this should have been mentioned in this video. Even so, I don't think he'd take Tom out.
@JohnS-il1dr2 ай бұрын
@@mrcuttime22she got rid of the baby because it was Tom's baby. They were having an affair.
@robertalford22572 жыл бұрын
When I first saw part 3, I remember thinking how hollow it was regarding Tom Hagen. Just a short line that he was dead did not give justice to a brilliant part played by a brilliant actor. But didn't the same thing happen with Clemenza in part 2?
@albundy6008 Жыл бұрын
The actor who played Clemenza wanted a lot more money and control over the script for his character so his part was rewritten for Frank Pantangelli.
@Jazbo7772 жыл бұрын
I did miss Tom in the third movie. I thought he would have taken over for micheal when Michael died but since micheal died old I would have loved for these two men to be together as brothers till the end.
@Aven-Sharma19912 жыл бұрын
He couldn’t take over because he wasn’t Sicilian, he was only temporary, but the leadership would’ve gone to a sicilian The other families were already breaking their balls by referring to them as an Irish gang but they wouldn’t have tolerated Hagen as boss, they wouldn’t have respected him because he wasn’t sicilian
@PeterCombs2 жыл бұрын
I like Duval in every movie he's ever made..."Falling Down" was one of his best.
@oldmansbasement8 ай бұрын
Check out his movie “Get Low”
@Seadog..C57 ай бұрын
I had lost my job, my wife and daughter when falling down came out 😮 . ( They made that movie for me so I wouldn't go off the deep end 😊 )
@PlasmaCoolantLeak6 ай бұрын
He was also in two episodes of the original "Outer Limits." He's one of my favorite actors.
@JT-ju7kf6 ай бұрын
I agree. 🎉
@adobeblues2 жыл бұрын
Simply put, Duvall had won Best Actor Oscar already for "Tender Mercies" after three previous nominations. Pacino had not. He had several more years to wait until "Scent of a Woman". Duvall felt that the Oscar made him deserving of at least half the $5 million Pacino was getting.
@tlist19702 жыл бұрын
It's too bad that Duvall couldn't work something out with Coppola. That's the biggest reason why it's not on par with the first 2. Duvall seems to always complete the cast and put films on a different level.
@vittorioabr2 жыл бұрын
I think Tom was more cerebral than violent - obvious - as opposed to Michael who was cerebral AND violent. I think Tom was more inclined to do business - it's business, not personal - and to do cool power calculations. He would've very likely ended in a deep-background position of political power, like managing political campaigns in Vegas or LittleRock, Arkansas.
@brianjones76602 жыл бұрын
Little Rock AR.... I saw what you did...😎
@jonathanbrhane473411 ай бұрын
Tom perspective of Micheal vs Vito dichotomy was unique & near perfect. He worked with Vito closely & got to see his great mess up close up more than any of the other children. That’s why you can see him in Part 1 get pulled into Micheal & seeing his potential when he’s talking about the dire need of taking out Sollozzo and using their paper in the News Papers to spin it. He also see Micheal going down a dark path towards the end of Part 2. Tom knew as ruthless as Vito was prepared to be, he would never lose his sense of humanity like Micheal was. Tom was definitely missed in Part 3. He might’ve not been the best war time Consigliori but definitely a loving devoted Son/Brother & extremely valuable confidant/legal consultant.
@JeffSmith-pl2pj2 жыл бұрын
They needed Hagen for Godfather III. They should have paid Devall and cut Keaton. She wouldn't have been missed. Hagan would never have challenged Michael. He wouldn't have wanted to be a full time Don. He never personally killed anyone. Neither did Sonny, as far as I know, but definitely a plus if you want to be a Don.
@valerieneal27472 жыл бұрын
I AGREE.
@DrClock-il8ij7 ай бұрын
Nobody needed to be cut Coppola was just being a cheapskate
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont2 жыл бұрын
Going on the timeline between "The Godfather's Revenge" and "Part 3", there would have been some fifteen years between Tom Hagen's death and the events around Pope Paul VI's passing. It would make sense on a lot of levels (particularly with Michael's personality quirks) for Tom's absence to be barely addressed. It must have been a business thing that Paramount didn't consider "Revenge" to be canon as I thought it fit very well into the overall story line and had no conflicts with any of the films. Part 3 is often panned as mediocre, but I thought it well enough done to complete the story. Michael's death at the end could have happened at any time between 1978 and, say, 1995 (although that late date may have been unlikely given his diabetic problems). I read or heard one time that a Part 4 was kicked around but Mario Puzo passed, and the project died along with him. Summing up, Tom Hagen's death in a Florida swamp would make a lot of sense for a mob lawyer. And yes, Part 3 would have been better with Robert Duvall.
@68majortom2 жыл бұрын
Was it not Michaels Daughter who Died?
@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmont2 жыл бұрын
@@68majortom Yes, she died after being shot outside the opera house. But the very end of Part 3, at least on the DVD I have, shows an aging Michael sitting in a lawn chair outside the Italian villa and remembering happy times. He looks vainly around, perhaps mostly blind from his diabetes, and he struggles with his glasses. In short order a long shot show his arms fall limp to side, he slumps over, and he ends up a lifeless body on the ground beside his chair. A pet dog looked sadly on. Thus ended his tortured, complicated life.
@createdsoicancomment28332 жыл бұрын
Missing Tom and small other details are the reason why Godfather 3 did not feel like the other movies in the saga.
@lesterpaul96572 жыл бұрын
The other " small" details are Sofia Coppola and Andy Garcia.
@createdsoicancomment28332 жыл бұрын
@@lesterpaul9657 Agreed
@julioaranton52232 жыл бұрын
His character's absence in my opinion dealt a death blow to a Masterpiece's continiuarion.
@ArchyB774562 жыл бұрын
Robert Duvall not being in the Godfather, part 3 as Tom Hagen was the second biggest mistake next to the ridiculously boring Vatican angle they decided to go with. Godfather 3 should have been a prequel telling the story of the ride of Don Vito and the five families with an older Michael making a minor appearance to bring his and Tom’s arc full circle. I always believed that Tom died of a heart attack at the begging of part 3.
@perceivedvelocity99142 жыл бұрын
Your comment about 'the studio making him a offer that he could refuse' made me laugh. Thank you for the content.
@jack_k21362 жыл бұрын
Tom Hagen was always pragmatic. Imagining him, resigned to his fate, in the car, and choosing to reflect on happy memories, sounds exactly like Tom Hagen.
@dirtysocks277514 күн бұрын
So sad
@Palanibert2 жыл бұрын
Tom's most important counsel in GF3 would have been to tell Michael to get a better haircut.
@awillis2447 ай бұрын
😂
@arias8396 ай бұрын
😂 💯
@kijekuyo94942 жыл бұрын
I was only interested in seeing Godfather 3 to see what would happen with the Hagen character. In the first two I saw him as a survivor, and I think it would have been best if he went on living through the series.
@royfr81362 жыл бұрын
Part 3 - (mentioned in the comments) The fact that Coppola is still denying that he purposely put his daughter in the movie because he couldn't find another actress - no other actress other than his inexperienced daughter - so no other actress in Hollywood was available to start in a Godfather film with Coppola. - Tells me that he is in complete denial that part 3 is absolutely terrible. And it is. Not just a bad Godfather movie but a bad movie. The character of Michael is terrible. It ruins the trilogy. For me The Godfather ended at the end of part 2. It's as bad as his hair cut for that film.
@AvengerII8 ай бұрын
Winona Ryder was originally cast as the daughter of Michael Corleone but she dropped out of Godfather Part III to make another movie. Other actresses like Julia Roberts were considered but nobody wanted to do GdF III.
@royfr81368 ай бұрын
@@AvengerII No actress in the whole of the world wanted to work with Coppola? No one.... OK. Fine I guess the ONLY choice was his own daughter with next to zero acting experience....
@JohnS-il1dr2 ай бұрын
@@royfr8136yeah but she was kinda hot😊
@FZ-sv4tm2 жыл бұрын
Tom was the best. Hands down
@stevesandwichproductions10432 жыл бұрын
Would I have wanted to see Tom in The Godfather Part III? Let me put it this way - I wish I had never seen The Godfather Part III.
@radar04122 жыл бұрын
When Duvall asked for more money to be in Godfather III, the director was overheard saying "You're out Tom."
@AcousticArchitect3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂 nice one
@emilytrott2 жыл бұрын
You mention if Michael had killed Tom, or ordered someone to kill him, he would have mentioned it in GF3 when confessing to the bishop. Michael said that he had killed his own brother, and we assumed he was referring to Fredo, but Tom was also his brother and someone who he had trusted implicitly.
@SwampmasterZ2 жыл бұрын
He was talking any Fredo, why would he not, it was on his conscience, when he had the diabetic attack in the kitchen ,he called out his name
@Chilliam132 жыл бұрын
Michael also said "I killed my mother's son." Tom was adopted.
@emilytrott2 жыл бұрын
@@Chilliam13 Excellent point. I hadn't remembered the words he used, and those would definitely leave Tom out. Thank you for posting it. :)
@narragarrathunder-rider81468 ай бұрын
Godfather Part III was a rambling hot mess!
@GazAce2 жыл бұрын
The studio should've met Duvall half way at least. The Godfather Pt 3 was a let down after the first two but if Duvall played Tom again, I think it would've been saved 🤔
@stevekru65182 жыл бұрын
I too would’ve enjoyed more Duvall, but unless you’re an agent with CAA or something similar, it’s risible for you to to tell Paramount and Coppola how to spend their money. Upping Duvall’s take could set off a chain reaction with demands so high the movie wouldn’t have been made. Apologies if I’ve offended you, but will make it up to you by suggesting you watch the series The Offer, which is the behind the scenes story of making Godfather
@GazAce2 жыл бұрын
@@stevekru6518 No apologies man, all good. Thanks for your reply 🙏👌
@matthewalexanderlemma80002 жыл бұрын
The third film really does miss Tom Hagen. Had Tom been in the film, an ending where Michael kills him or vice versa could’ve been really surprising.
@Better_Call_Raul2 жыл бұрын
Don't see any circumstance where Tom Hagen would kill Michael or anyone else for that matter. Tom never orders a killing. He simply looks the other way when killings happen. Do not see Michael ever ordering Tom to be killed either. Tom always kissed Michael's ass.
@Thespeedrap2 жыл бұрын
3 was just terrible and shouldn't have been made point blank.
@h4rder10 Жыл бұрын
tom is not the sort to kill michael. u cant just put something out there just because audience dont expect it.
@ciaranmcguinness89002 жыл бұрын
what killed Tom Hagen? Robert Duvall having standards and rightly calling out that the only reason to make a Godfather 3 was money
@jasonchen96452 жыл бұрын
The three best Scenes for me with Tom Hagen is: 1) Telling Vito news of sonny's death in Part one 2) Blackmailing the senator in vegas after they killed a prostitute and set him up with it, and 3) The scenes when he questions if michael has gone too far.
@richardmoores2 жыл бұрын
If you’re going to edit your post anyway, at least edit his name to spell it right.
@gomriria21972 жыл бұрын
3? Which one?
@brandos832 жыл бұрын
4) telling charlie sheen he loves the smell of naples in the morning
@shivasirons61592 жыл бұрын
Smells like victory.!
@lesterpaul96572 жыл бұрын
@@brandos83 Charlie Sheen was the one in Platoon who was told by Willem Dafoe that from now on everything will turn out fine after his first reefer.😉
@Rohirok2 жыл бұрын
This is all very interesting, but there is a major flaw in your analysis: there were only 2 Godfather films.
@JayTor21122 жыл бұрын
Tom Hagen would have saved the movie...and Winona Ryder instead of Sofia Copolla as Mary.
@mryeti18872 жыл бұрын
I always viewed Tom Hagen as an embodiment of Vito. When Vito is incapacitated and dead, Tom takes on his spirit when guiding Sonny and Michael. Without Tom in the third film Michael falls apart as his dad’s spirit is gone.
@nomorephones2 жыл бұрын
They are all his embodiments. Sonny is Vito's flair and love, Michael is his ruthlessness and intelligence, Fredo is his will to enjoy life and Hagen is his aspiration to make his family pure American.
@freedomisfromtruth2 жыл бұрын
Tom wanted to negotiate with the drug dealer and acted exactly as he was told by him when he was advising Sonny.
@MREScout2 жыл бұрын
Admittedly it's been a long time since I read The Godfather Returns and The Godfather's Revenge, but I swear I remember Tom "making his bones" by killing someone at the end. Whoever the other boss was says something along the lines of "Irishman, you think they're going to let you make your bones by killing me?" and Tom, cold as ice does the deed. I don't remember the drowning in the swamp thing at all.
@peterbellini61022 жыл бұрын
You are 110% correct. I absolutely remember that. Tom kills a mob boss (almost a "wannabee") and Geraci waits in a self-designed bunker until it's safe to come out. I felt that Michael respected Fausto after that and allowed him to live.
@tr71982 жыл бұрын
Wasnt that the film producer with the horse in his bed that said that to him.
@shivasirons61592 жыл бұрын
Mre scout, i remember the drowning thing but it was so long ago i dont remember the particulars, they were in a rowboat on a lake i think.
@tr71982 жыл бұрын
@@shivasirons6159 That was fishing El Fredo the hail Mary episode..
@shivasirons61592 жыл бұрын
TR, no this was some sequel thing, they had fredo as secretly gay and he tries some buying cemetarys scheme.
@packtheripper14062 жыл бұрын
Tom seemed to be isolated from the necessary violence, so I feel his death should have been of natural causes between movies 2 & 3. He took care of the paperwork, as the family lawyer would, and was just as guilty as any of them, but he was isolated and in my mind it was not violent.
@jimtoellner74372 жыл бұрын
The Weingargner novels were well done and the death of Tom is some of the most chilling couple of pages I have read, being a Godfather devotee. Michael’s and Tom’s stories between movies 2 and 3 are interesting. Wish they could have done movies. Fredo back story also a new twist.
@Better_Call_Raul2 жыл бұрын
Have never heard of Weingarner. Thought Mario Puzo wrote all the novels.
@DiPop892 жыл бұрын
@@Better_Call_Raul he wrote the book " the godfather returns" I believe it was because Puzo has died.. and I think it's spelled winegardner
@powell46612 жыл бұрын
Read Puzo's The Sicilian, I think it was meant to be GF3 , but he was mad Paramount at the time.
@scottjohnson30172 жыл бұрын
I my head-canon, The Godfather's Revenge by Mark Winegardner is the Godfather III. Especially given that it was commissioned by the Puzo family and estate. Also, it's just so much better story wise than what we were given.
@nelliethursday18122 жыл бұрын
I totally agree about the book and boy oh boy Sonny's daughter really was a chip off the old block x100
@thomassiirila49272 жыл бұрын
I liked it, too. I liked that it had details of what happened, and what he saw at the end.
@fifedogg5112 жыл бұрын
Was this the book that the main character was Nick Gerchi?
@scottjohnson30172 жыл бұрын
@@fifedogg511 Fausto Dominick 'Nick' Geraci Jr was the antagonist in both The Godfather Returns as well as it's sequel, The Godfather's Revenge.
@marvinloganjr2 жыл бұрын
I disagree that Part 3 is mediocre. It is certainly not without us issues. However, it did present a compelling arch. Wev are all in agreement that Duvall was greatly missed. Truly a missed opportunity.
@JOEFABULOUS.2 жыл бұрын
I liked the mix of real life events gods banker Roberto Calvi found hanging under a bridge in London the Pope's sudden death gave it realism
@powell46612 жыл бұрын
It just plain sucked, unwatchable
@robertwiesler3812 жыл бұрын
@@powell4661 true
@beefchops14002 жыл бұрын
Michael didn’t want to put him in the direct line of fire and respected him too much hence his so called demotion….Michael in many ways was protecting Tom.
@hankjones56522 жыл бұрын
I see it on two levels: 1) Tom was at the Commission meeting where Vito swore the peace. Tom, as consigliere, was bound by Vito's oath to maintain the peace, and... 2) I agree about Michael keeping him out of the line of fire. In fact, the further removed Tom is from the mayhem, the more likely Tom can be part of any legal proceedings against Michael and the Corleone Family. Gotti and his lawyers, Cutler and Shargel, were deemed too close, and the attorneys were deemed to be "part" of Gotti's era of the Gambino Family, thus, were disqualified from representing Gotti at his final trial where he was convicted.
@jayt96082 жыл бұрын
@@hankjones5652 If I remember correctly was there not a moment where Michael informs Tom that by rearranging things, he was actually giving Tom more room to maneuver on his behalf? Further, it meant that he could trust Tom with everything? We eventually see Tom repay this confidence multiple ways.
@geofftaylor8627 Жыл бұрын
You don't ask your dentist to make you a suit.
@frankblafhoed41162 жыл бұрын
If I knew it was about the money I would have paid Robert myself. The movie should not have been made without him.
@katbrown1449 Жыл бұрын
Tom's presence would've helped bring a sense of continuity to the godfather 3 that it does lack. I enjoyed it yet it is also true. It's like a separate genre with a different set of characters even. So. Any of the old guys who could be brought through would have helped for real and Tom was one of the main ones who could've done this. Tom and his son the priest could've mad either more natural.
@onendfan5252 жыл бұрын
I think since Tom Hagen was Don while Michael was in Cuba during GF2, it would've been nice to see it worked out on GF3 where Tom Hagen with Connie and Al Neri to advise Vincent on the Joey Zaza issue while Michael was in the coma. While Michael is coming out of coma, Tom is taken out by Joey's bulldog Anthony "The Ant" Squigliaro. When Michael awakes from coma, he finds that Tom has died much like Vito awoke to hear Sonny had been shot and killed. Michael pulls together all his strength to recover working together with Al Neri, Connie and Vincent to devise a plan to rub out Joey Zaza during the street festival. However, Michael's plan would be a sit down first in a cafe/restaurant similar to when he sat down with Carlo in GF1 or when Vito sat with Don Fanuci in GF2 before they were taken out. Next scene, you would find Joey Zaza with 2 in the head laying in the trunk of the prize Cadillac from the street festival.
@tensleytaylor27142 жыл бұрын
Booooooo.
@urosmarjanovic663 Жыл бұрын
He wasn't a Don, he couldn't have been even a made man.
@jerry85g72 жыл бұрын
Godfather 3 we needed to see the Interaction of Michael & Tom.
@songspire2 жыл бұрын
Part 3 should have been a battle between Michael and Tom dealing with the way Fredo was handled, make that the main crux of the film, add in other shit, Academy Award
@whitetroutchannelАй бұрын
its a shame none of you are film directors, the awards you all could win with your story writing skills
@alidabaxter58492 жыл бұрын
The loss of the Tom Hagen character was a dreadful miscalculation but I also never believed that Kay would beosed back into the house and that she and her ice cold husband would be reconciled - isn't credible after what happened in Godfather 2.
@dc6461 Жыл бұрын
It is credible. Michael at the end of g2 is Michael from gf3. When he lost Kay he got diabetes, aged over night stopped smoking drinking killing, never took the ring of his finger or touched another woman for the rest of his life. Music of gf2 is Love said goodbye by And Williams..... Michael losing a woman that was his dream. It's only natural that he wanted her back.
@My20GUNS9 ай бұрын
Tom was Michael's last brother and person he could trust. Arguably he was Vito's best son, both his character & oscar winning actor was tossed aside like trash.
@notsoancientpelican2 жыл бұрын
Tom didn't die, it's just that by GF III he was a big enough Star to turn down a role in a turkey movie that should have been titled, "The Search for More Money."
@josephhickman47592 жыл бұрын
Robert Duvall went on to put on astonishing performances "the great santini" and "apocalypse now" which even though different scenes had Brando on set... would have loved to be a fly on the wall during meetings behind the camera.
@lugo_99694 ай бұрын
Godfather 3 was barely worthy of being associated with the two previous masterpieces.
@LeopoldoNotarianni-rk9vv2 ай бұрын
I agree Strongly
@markwriter26982 ай бұрын
That’s what everyone told me so I passed. I didn’t have a clue of the storyline until I saw this video.
@Augdadw8 ай бұрын
Every time I get the DVD package out to watch the Godfather I leave III in the box, only watched it once and couldn't believe they allowed Coppola to make that piece of junk for no reason other than to let his daughter have a major role. The only "Godfather III" I watch is an old HBO special where they combined scenes from 1&2 and some cut scenes, it was very good, there was another "III" put together as well doing something similar I believe. But to put out the GF III as it was should never have been allowed. Really missed Robert Duvall and Al Pacino and others were pretty awful
@anthonyc16292 жыл бұрын
"Your attorney Tom Hagen, whatever happened there."
@jrod83322 жыл бұрын
Yes Hagen should have been in The Godfather III ... A crying shame to not include ...totally ridiculous and a reason why the film lacked merit in my eyes...
@PR-BEACHBOY2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I would’ve liked Tom Hagen to be in GF III but, it was a ch a shitty movie I don’t know how much difference Hagen would’ve made. Re. How Hagen died: I’d like to see a scene where Tom wakes up and finds his Mistresses head under his bed covers, which cause him to stroke out!
@UncaDave2 жыл бұрын
Actually I would have liked better a complicated intrigue orchestrated by Tom who disappears with his family to pull away from the crime life and the Corleones. But then since he has already sold his soul to them, that would probably be out of character. Michael’s treatment of Tom shows the depth of his darkness. Similar to the look on his face when he closes the door on his wife after her visit with the kids. He is a real soulless creature.
@flapjackbickle6452 жыл бұрын
I never liked Hagen, to be honest. I always thought he was a smug, charmless character, despite Duvall's good performances. As for whether he was missed in Godfather 3 - I think that was the least of Coppola's problems! A terrible script, crap direction and his daughter being the world's worst actress were a lot more problematic.
@memphis2houston3462 жыл бұрын
At most he was a goog supporting actor. ...
@michaell8742 ай бұрын
According to Duvall, Tom Hagen never died, and Godfather part 3 was the unofficial version. Therefore, I think it should be redone in the right manner, even if Duvall and Al Pacino should be replaced so they can properly back date the time to when La Cosa Nostra was still very much relevant in the United States.
@soraya3772 жыл бұрын
I think you meant to say, Robert Duvall was replaced by the actor George Hamilton.
@Lanwarder5 ай бұрын
Somehow, I think that Tom Hagen probably is my favourite character. I see him as the most three dimensional character of the story...and let's be honest, how great is Robert Duval...then again it is a great performance in movies full of great performances.
@WarTheory2 жыл бұрын
What happened to Tom in the books sucked…. Nick catches Tom off guard which leads to Tom’s death in the swamp was really stupid…. You can’t really compare the book and the movie… it would’ve been nice to see Tom face off against Micheal in Part 3… But the movie was not the same without Tom… and in the book it comes across as kill Tom To throw Micheal off a little bit
@vincentmartin719 Жыл бұрын
Tom should have taken the place of Vito since his education mainly came from him. Not as as a living person but as a voice that Michael could talk with and when Michael dies Tom shows up to take him to his family.
@pyry19482 жыл бұрын
Being in Godfather 3 would have been a far worse fate
@freedom4mealways2 жыл бұрын
I thought that Fredo was killed, Tom left the Corleones and got a job in NYC as a real estate attorney. Even though Michael had no hard feeling against Tom for leaving him, Tom at age 64 became increasingly distressed because of the death of Fredo. Tom committed suicide at that age in 1975. No one knew he committed suicide. He drowned himself in a lake as he jumped off a boat. He wanted to die the same way Fredo died. Everyone, including Michael, believed he died of accidental drowning.
@johnnyutah19832 жыл бұрын
I pretend Godfather 3 never happened. The first two were basically 4 parts.
@BigCheech-wy9os9 ай бұрын
He Died when paramount wouldn't pay him
@danielpin74722 жыл бұрын
I only think that Phil did 20 years
@mikimiyazaki2 жыл бұрын
He wanted manicotti but he settled for a warm radiata
@Brembelia5 ай бұрын
I would like to have seen Tom and Michael end up together with Tom continuing to be loyal and supporting Michael. Maybe the opposition eliminates Tom's whole family so he fully returns to Michael and they move to Sicily together to avoid further reprisal after Mary's death. Or maybe Michael resigns as head of the family but Anthony takes over and Tom with his family move to Sicily to care for Michael as he has become a broken man. Any way you want to write this, Tom is a featured character; second to Michael.
@lovelygivan14422 жыл бұрын
Very interesting
@ApoorwVikramDwivedi5 ай бұрын
If a filmmaker is serious about story then omitting a significant character over an actor declining an under par compensation is outright obnoxious. It shows in the Godfather-3. Like someone said earlier, I too have watched the first two parts a couple of dozen times over but have watched part 3 just twice and I'm not gonna ever watch it again.
@mbryson28992 жыл бұрын
Side note: Did Michael enlist in the USMC as part of a long-term plan by his father and/or himself to foster an air of legitimacy? None in his family had ever served, he manged to miss Guadalcanal, and his injuries were exagerrated. The bribes paid would only reinforce his "selfless service." A perfect plan to look like a square citizen. I suspect that Vito knew that Sonny would never be accepted as a straight citizen but a Dartmouth student turned war hero who skipped a paid-for pass on service in a huge conflict would definitely be. Was it just Michael or was it a deeper plan formed by Vito, a known planner? More on point, I did not find Tom's novel demise to be credible or compelling, it was far too derivative of Luca Brasi's death. And seriously, only clueless victims do not check their backseats.
@hungryowl15592 жыл бұрын
The movie covers this. Michael did that against the families wishes.
@snuffthisrooster70432 жыл бұрын
The movie and book both make it clear that Vito did not want Michael to enlist. If Vito had wanted him to serve in order to secure more family legitimacy he would probably have had him go into a relatively safer role (not Marine infantry) and most certainly an officer position. Michael enlisted and only became an officer through a battlefield commission.
@mbryson28992 жыл бұрын
@@snuffthisrooster7043 What Vito said and what Vito thought and did were different on a few occasions. He was demonstrably pragmatic and ruthless, though.
@snuffthisrooster70432 жыл бұрын
@@mbryson2899 Why would Vito manipulate his son into joining and then act like he didn't support it? He was really against his own mafia soldiers joining and only couldn't pumish them because his own son had joined. If Vito really wanted his son to join for political clout then he would have hooked him up as an officer in a relatively safer branch. For example how John F Kennedy and George Bush were both Naval officers (albeit they did wind up seeing combat and Kennedy became a war hero) on average though being enlisted in the Marines would be way more dangerous and Michael easily could have died at any point. I think in the book he mentions he would have died on Iwo Jima if he hadn't had been wounded early on.
@darbyheavey4062 жыл бұрын
@@snuffthisrooster7043 You slander both Bush & JFK- they both served in some of the most dangerous units in the Navy. Bush was the youngest pilot in His Navy attack squadron. Kennedy volunteered for PT boasts which were considered suicide units because he wanted a command not a staff job. Joe Kennedy could have gotten his sons any position in the Navy.
@artxyfeng28 күн бұрын
Tom Hagen did NOT die in the Godfather! He escaped and changed his name to Gus McRae and lived in Texas as a Texas Ranger for years!
@GasPipeJimmy2 жыл бұрын
So, why was Tom Hagen killed off in the two alternate scenarios? Why tie him up and drown him? Who did that?
@nickjohnson63682 жыл бұрын
Nick Geraci. It was revenge for a plot Michael hatched to kill Geraci. Also, Michael forced Nick to kill Tessio, who brought him up in the family.
@alexandrechampagne89708 ай бұрын
I am having a hard time about Tom and Connie's reaction to Freddo ´s death. It is kind of a surprise that neither reacted violently against Michael in te aftermath. Tom was smart and aware of Michael opinion on poor Freddo, this would have made good dramatical scenes, to my opinion. Tom's death is a easy way out to hide the contract dispute, I would have like to see him in the finale.
@JJP3162 жыл бұрын
Duvall will tell you bluntly that the reason he wasn't in Godfather III was that they paid Al Pacino $5 million to be in it and they only offered him $1 million. That wasn't acceptable to him. And George Hamilton's character was named B.J. Harrison.
@truesimplicity Жыл бұрын
Death by contract... Of the third film that is... as I did not go to see the third instalment in theaters. Robert Duvall was essential , shirt sighted studio 📝
@joeysanmartin80982 жыл бұрын
Ping! Pong! Bong!
@baba-gp8ls2 жыл бұрын
Your a funny guy!😁😄
@t.a61592 жыл бұрын
@@baba-gp8ls funny how?
@treystephens61662 жыл бұрын
@@t.a6159 do I amuse you ?
@michaellalli76932 жыл бұрын
The studio low balled Robert Duvall for GF3. Declining to pay Duvall and exclude him from GF3 diminishes the value of the film. Very poor decision by Paramount.
@robertwiesler3812 жыл бұрын
Pt 3 was so incredibly bad, it was even funny Most actors did a very bad job, even great actors like Pacino or the great Eli Wallach But the worst part was Sofia Coppola What a joke
@nolimendoza4588 Жыл бұрын
I heard an interview with Robert Duvall clashed with the studio not only about the money but the character's development.
@judithortiz-velazquez4992Ай бұрын
Michael’s distant nature toward Tom is presented twice that I remember. In godfather 1 you can sense tension between the two when Tom tells him that he and his father has talked about Michael’s future. in the second movie. Tom tells Michael how he always wanted to Michael to view him as a brother.