The Uncomfortable Truth About The Jack Frost x Elsa Ship

[@bubblybobabubbles]

You've started down the rabbit hole of Rise of the Brave Tangled (Frozen?) Dragons. There's SO MUCH MORE there. Keep digging you coward

[@SmartyPantsYT]

You son of a bitch I'm in

[@amandajohnson7797]

They got a point carefully smartypantsyt it can be overwhelming

[@bookonlegsbookonlegs8991]

Merricup rules as well, but not HTTYD 2 Hic, the first move version.

[@Storyteller2078]

I expect a video.

[@LittleRose239]

@@SmartyPantsYTI agree with you saying

[@CharlizeL5151]

I remember being in middle school and shipping them so much unironically. And now looking back I can safely say I still do to an extent (mainly bc of aesthetic and nostalgia). Even though I know it will never work out even if they are the same universe. I still think it’s a fun think to ship.

[@CharlizeL5151]

Thing*

[@littlesparrow303]

Agree!! I was just thinking about this last night.

[@thereaper8878]

I mean I do but only cues of the immortality of jack if anything he's older then her by eh thousands of years

[@Howaboutyes11]

lol i think i did. too, but now i kinda don’t , but at the same time idk MY BRAIN IS CONFUSED

[@DragonGoddess18]

Yeah The ship is just fun storytelling for me too. If other people take it too far then there's a problem with them,not the ship itself

[@TheNamesRise]

I always found this ship weird, but more because it came straight out of nowhere. It was just all of a sudden everywhere with little explanation

[@ThePrincessCH]

Most people pair them together because they both have ice powers.

[@z-bornie4893]

@@ThePrincessCH No they don't. Stop being stupid

[@AmigoFriendHabibi]

Its literally so obvious why people ship them tho

[@harryfleutv666]

Tbh, I just ship characters from different franchises because it’s fun, that’s why I’ve warmed up to the shipping fanbase…as long as there’s no beastiality or incest involved

[@amiaswolfgang]

Same here. Not a lot of the things I've been watching lately have good shipping opportunities (ie not enough characters of compatible ages who arent siblings etc and writers warping certain character's whole personailities to make them get together which turns me off from pairing them up in the first place) so I've had to make a lot of my own. When I see two characters from different franchises and think they may have good chemistry, I go explore it more and see what happens. Usually that inclination of a good pairing plays out well and I don't have to butcher the characters to make them get along or fall in love. Sometimes I even dabble in oc x cannon, crafting a love interest for a character that I think best suits their wants and needs when other characters in the cannon can't do the same or aren't interesting when doing so. Its all in good fun, as shipping should be!

[@L-W-ko1hn]

dont forget no pedo

[@harryfleutv666]

@@L-W-ko1hn that too

[@GrianyBunch]

Wait you said beastiacally...Beauty and the beast- I ship them

[@kareyonnadavidson6661]

I don’t think Elsa would want to go out with Jack their polar opposite maybe she would see him as a little brother type

[@cathria.]

Agreed

[@user-oc7dl9or8f]

Like a little brother? Jack lived over a thousand years

[@hopevity]

Honestly elsa has matured a lot and I really don’t think elsa would be into him

[@autisticdancer]

Haha... "polar" opposite. Okay sorry...

[@inosuke7460]

Nah it's the other way around jack would see as his little sister

[@ttiger86]

I guess I’ve always seen Jack as ageless bc of his guardian role. But you do have a point. The audience should realize he’s trapped as a teen bc of his back story in the movie. He looks young when he goes down in the water and it doesn’t look like he’s aged since. I don’t think much about the ship. I’ve known about it for a long time and am surprised you’re just finding out. It seems like it’s just been around forever. When I first heard about it, I thought the artwork I saw on it was cute and aesthetically it’s appealing. I never knew about the porn, though. That’s just gross.

[@kevin-2.1]

I didn’t know they make porn for that stuff either.

[@meical2680]

and it's not only with jelsa, one of the more liked ship in the rises of the gardian is jack x pitch?!

[@bdariamihaela]

You don't know how it is to be an "Elsa is aroace" head cannoner in the world of Jalsa shippers

[@PaintSplashProductions]

Literally same for me but as a Jack Frost is Ace head canon fan. People are so bigoted when you bring it up as an option

[@nangbaby]

It's just as bad from the "Give Elsa a Girlfriend" crowd, because somehow wanting her to be aroace or even just single but not seeking is considered homophobic.

[@bdariamihaela]

@@nangbaby That's some messed up logic. I have seen people shipping her with Honi Merren (probably spelled that wrong) wich I honestly prefer compared to Jack, at least they interracted

[@moonsdottir]

Same, I'm like, Elsa is coded bare min Ace.

[@purpleissupeirior]

I feel like they’re both aro ace

[@TooningIn2008]

When I was like 6 I watched some “emotional” PMV of Elsa and Jack Frost, and one of the scenes had fanart of Jack Frost nearly Frozen to death in ice and a render of Elsa’s reaction of Anna freezing slapped in. I thought it was a masterpiece back then💀

[@hannahmetzger6622]

I remember watching "Evil Jelsa" PMV vids. 😂. I forget what user made them, though. 🤔. All I REALLY remember is that the characters (well the plot in the description explained that the characters) turned evil due to some sort of corrupted magic Blood Moon or something which was caused by them _literally dying_ and going through a Conga Trauma Line's length of a list of personal tragedies _over and over_ again, when the characters came back from the dead their clothes, hair, skin and eyes all had this _really_ bloody photoshop-esque computerized animated-esque tint to them, and each of the videos (because this was a _series,_ from what I can remember) was set to _some_ sort of _super, supremely ANGSTY_ song that was like popular back in the mid-2000s to the early-to-mid-2010s :P. I still think it's one of the greatest pieces of editing ever 😆😂.

[@younggamer7218]

​@@hannahmetzger6622 computerized animated-esque?

[@liblib620]

Even I found this ship weird when I was a kid. The only reason people ever started shipping it is because they both have ice powers. That’s it.

[@I_always_have_been_Daniel49]

Blossom from The Powerpuff Girls also has ice powers

[@girlpower_gacha]

Yes the ship is dumb

[@z-bornie4893]

Nope let's argue. It's not because ice power. we've explained this hundreds of times

[@z-bornie4893]

@@girlpower_gacha just like ur channel

[@NeoGen1987]

One is immortal the other will die of age

[@turtleAlecsia]

It isn't just Jack x Elsa, there is also Hiccup x Elsa, and as many others pointed out, it is from The Brave Tangled Frozen Dragon's fandom

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

The what now?

[@hunterknight5261]

Hiccup x Elsa makes a bit more sense to me. More storybeats line up, closer ages (I think Hiccup is like 25 in his last movie before sending all the dragons away), they come from closer eras and social standings...

[@bedrocks2248]

​@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ bro hiccup from How to train your dragon but nahhh the Jack Frost and Queen Elsa is the original and more popular

[@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ]

@@bedrocks2248 That's not the part of the comment that confused me.

[@sayakalan4610]

I just saw an edit of Hiccup and Jack Frost wedding edit 😭😭😭😭😭😭. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4q9dqR6r9xjd7Msi=DArLphDSUc-nqsXm

[@PaintSplashProductions]

Am I the only one who saw Jack as ace? It just feels weird shipping him with anyone. The only ship I like is Hijack and that’s mostly the fanart itself is surprisingly beautiful (the fan artists love flying scenes). Jack doesn’t need a partner though, the films shows that, he needs a family and that’s what the guardians are to Jack: his family

[@Vixnarts]

I see Jack as aroace and I got harassed by an entitled Httyd fan for saying I saw Jack as aroace. I like Hijack too, it's good.

[@roshanfey]

ace jack frost nation rise UP 💙

[@Inyobedfool]

Does anyone remember the girls go games where they used to make "pregnant elsa" and her husband was jack LAMO. 😂✋

[@Summer.12Girl]

Yessss they were my jam

[@Inyobedfool]

@@Summer.12Girl Sameee

[@Summer.12Girl]

@@Inyobedfool They were super weird tho...I only played for the dress up stuff to make them look how I wanted them to

[@Inyobedfool]

@@Summer.12Girl yeah I remember the elsa dentist.

[@Summer.12Girl]

@@Inyobedfool Same, some of those games were so weird lmao

[@JustEpic_Yt]

I remember this ship when I was younger to the point where I shipped them too lol

[@austint4139]

It’s not the strangest ship I’ve stumbled across and at least there’s some connection, others don’t have any at all

[@leonchan1298]

I can’t wait to see what this guy thinks of Twilight, a teenage vampire marries an adult woman, that’s what he has a problem with apparently.

[@CharlizeL5151]

By the way this all kinda started in a fandom called “rise of the brave tangled frozen dragons” so I think you should check that out a bit.

[@carolynhamilton6870]

NOBODY WOULD SHIP THEM IF THEY DIDNT BOTH HAVE ICE POWERS I HATE THIS SHIP WITH THE ESSENCE OF MY SOUL

[@_Aceus_]

EXACTLY

[@Imakeaicoversforsomereason]

Me too

[@roshanfey]

FOR REAL

[@femmm0336]

I never really liked the shipping Elsa with Jack part, but I loved the idea of Jack being Elsa's mentor in a way. Like how did she suddenly create that giant castle when she wasn't in control of her powers earlier? Maybe Jack had something to do with that. That's the "shipping" part I like about Jelsa. Or perhaps that they are long lost siblings of some sort (even though that wouldn't make sense with the timeline, but I was a kid back then, I didn't notice that lol)

[@RHTQ1]

Perhaps ppl think Jack aged a bit after becoming a Guardian, mentally at the very least. There's also the fact that he's a well-liked character who sadly will likely never get more time on screen. Take their similar aesthetics, add on their similar loneliness, isolation, possible immortal status, ice magic, and need for a bit of joy and companionship? You get this. The wholesome stuff anyway. Past that is the crazies going too far XD

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

I think it's something done for fun and honestly it's impressive the edits and art they do with these characters, they really look good together, I've seen some edited scenes and you'd think it really happened!

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Yeah, it's purely their powers and the aesthetics. If one of them didn't have ice powers, the ship wouldn't be as big as it is.

[@elijahdalbroi]

I wish Everyone won’t make a big deal about it, because it’s just a fictional ship (Even though i love this ship), And Jack has like three confirmed ages (14, 17, 18). Even in Disney Hercules is 18 and Meg calls him junior (which means she older than him). 😐

[@ThePrincessCH]

​@@elijahdalbroi Hercules and Meg are both seen as adults. Jack is a minor both physically and mentally, while Elsa is a full blown adult.

[@z-bornie4893]

@@ThePrincessCH nope. Ur wrong

[@txwtw]

@@z-bornie4893 I thought both Jack and Elsa were adults though

[@creativityismymiddlename]

While I’m neck-deep in fanfiction & fanart, I’ve never shipped this but I’ve never had a problem with it but now OMG HE’S SO YOUNG! I had no idea

[@CalebCarmichael14]

I saw this ship online and I really did not understand it. Yeah they look the same, but they could be more like sister and brother than anything else

[@QuietlyE]

I think it's more of the aesthetics and how they're quite alike

[@aprilblues3202]

I’ve known about this ship for /years/. This was one of my first fandoms. Absolutely bizarre. Jelsa (the ship name) was a later development of the Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons fandom. Jack Frost and Rapunzel was the more popular ship before Frozen and will always have a special place in my heart. When Frozen was released everyone saw the ice powers and matched them up. Always thought they were more like twins/siblings, but it made for some very cute fan art. I don’t think age was thought of because no one really knew Elsa was 21 and Jack Frost was voiced by Chris Pine of all people.

[@evaundertale2247]

When I was younger and was exposed to the ship I thought he was 18 and Elaa at the time 19 so I was more neutral about it then again they also have things like Merida x Hiccup, Repunzel x Jack as well. It spawned its own fanbase being the big four

[@tinyMicoNet]

I remember in elementary(wow so long ago!!) me and my friend saw a video about Jack Frost and else mmd “anything you can do I can do better” and that’s where I was introduced to this ship but I was never into it

[@Simbala-bq5vy]

Well Elsa and Spiderman is worse 💀

[@psychegemstone]

It started with Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons (it was some edits which showed the teenage characters being friends). Then Frozen came out and then the shipping began, the most popular of which was Jelsa. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIKQdJWVasiKpMk . I was never a part of this fandom but it exists.

[@ladypool1404]

I shiped Jack with Rapunzel when i was 13. Thoses two are curious and kind, loyal and brave. Also, both can learn something to the other, shared their passions. He can learn her ice skating, she can learn him painting and playing guitar. Theses two are teenagers and would get along! Rapunzel can heal Jack with her hair if he's hurt, he can block a villain's attack to protect her. Both can fight together, have fun together. To me, they would make a really cute couple 😍I was and always am a Jackunzel fan! I respect the Jelsa fans. Have fun with thoses characters, i won't bother you 🙂My opinion is different than yours and that's ok!

[@cassiyahsmith9940]

No you’re right, it’s definitely weird as hell. I think I’ve just become desensitized lol. Not my cup of tea so I steer clear

[@m4rshm3ll0wb0b4]

Genuinely it's just a ship, based on nostalgia. If people have such an issue with it then that's ok but I think they would be taking fandom too seriously

[@amandajohnson7797]

I had no idea jack was a teen I thought he was a slightly funny immature young adult 😳

[@ThePrincessCH]

Well, it looks like he still lived with his mother before he died.

[@dove2826]

Always thought he was a teen, but never thought the age gap was that weird tbh. I still don't find it that weird. Like heck even the "dating calculator" doesn't find it that weird. BUT this is only if he's actually 17 cause if he's 14 that's really f*ckin weird lol

[@miriankellyserradacunha6871]

@@dove2826 he is 14

[@Lasanga95]

​@@miriankellyserradacunha6871 Hes 300 but looks like a teen

[@miriankellyserradacunha6871]

@@Lasanga95I know,I'm just pointing out the age he had before dying

[@aarspi]

In the movie's behind the scenes where the directors(?) had commentary dialogue over the Rise of Guardians film, they even said the original plan was to have a romantic plot between Jack and Toothiana, but ultimately they pulled it out as it took away focus from Jack's story. So they decided to keep the subtle nods of chemistry in, but I belieev they still state the two are canon(?). As someone who shipped something completely different, (and cringe) within the frozen fandom, although the characters were both within the same canon, I do remember Jack Frost and Elsa shippers completely ignoring that Jack and Toothiana fact, that they are technically canon, and some even deliberately fought against it. Others were chill though, but dang it was a wild time.

[@inosuke7460]

Jelsa fans are so wild back then lmao

[@aprilblues3202]

They really were haha. I remember the canon being such a controversial topic. I think most of the fandom were preteens so everyone took everything very seriously.

[@aarspi]

@@aprilblues3202 word

[@QuietlyE]

I do wonder how that works though, since the rise of the gaurdians creator APPARENTLY(?) likes Jelsa as well.

[@aarspi]

@@QuietlyE the creator can like it cause they’re both ice beings, but it doesn’t mean it would happen, right? I found that shipping is based on potential, if you see potential in it even if there’s no logical way for it happening, I don’t think that’s a bad thing.

[@LaBellesGrace]

Superrr late to the party on this one, but the age thing can be easily explained by William Joyce, the creator of Jack Frost himself. He used to interact with the crossover fandoms back in the day, and has said he really liked Jelsa and thinks it’s fun. Human Jack died as a teenager, however *Jack Frost* is a spirit; he doesn’t technically have an age at all, and having Chris Pine voice hun was meant to exemplify that. Just because he hangs around with children doesn’t mean he’s *literally* a child himself. He’s pretty much ageless, while being centuries old at the same time. Jack was actually meant to have a romantic subplot with Tooth in the movie, but was cut due to time. The subtlety can still be found in their interactions in the Final Cut; mainly on Tooth’s end, however. In the final novel to the book series, it was stated that Jack - as well as the other guardians, particularly North - can change their ages at will due to time and experience as a Guardian/spirit. Jack even has had experiences of having romantic relationships with grown women. This was also a concept that Joyce wanted to explore in a television sequel he wanted to do for the movie, but was turned down due to the movie’s failure - so it would’ve been applicable to movie Jack also. And technically speaking, Jack is much older than Elsa, rather than the other way around. Someone on KZbin did a timeline layout and it basically confirms that human Jack died around 20-30 years before Elsa was born. So if anything, he’ll have the advantages over her. But since she’s a spirit now too, the only thing that’ll stand in their way of being a couple (other than the obvious), would be their compatibility. As long as it’s a slow burn type of thing and constructed correctly, I personality think it could definitely work.

[@kareyonnadavidson6661]

Another thing people say Elsa is either gay or ace

[@BellaFalk95]

I hate this ship. Yeah, I said it. I HATE it. It is discusting and pathetic. The reasons they are shipped is for shallow reasons. There is nothing that works between them. I have been harassed by pepole who ship them. I try to avoid it as much as I can so I can stay happy with my favorite movie. But everything I see this or is reminded of it I am filled with anger. I don’t want to be angry. That is why I avoid anything Frozen related. Okay, my rant is over.

[@GhostRose6500]

I knew this ship for quite a while now, and I immediately hated it because of the age gap between the 2 characters. And I don’t mean that in the way that Elsa is an adult and Jack is a teenager. I mean Else is a young adult and Jack is freaking 3 centuries old. He is was born 280 years before Elsa was, he is an ancient immortal. Sure Elsa is a spirit now so she may live an immortal life too, and when she lives many centuries both of their ages will be messy enough for it to not really matter. But that doesn’t count because that hasn’t happened yet. She is decades old, and he is centuries.

[@NeoGen1987]

Actually, Jack and Elsa from the older times Jack has been shown have lived all the way into the modern era

[@GhostRose6500]

@@NeoGen1987 I did some research, and everyone seems to mostly agree that Frozen takes place in the 1940s. This still makes Jack over a century older than Elsa by the time she's born. That's not much of a change.

[@QuietlyE]

I suppose most of the reasons why people don't ship jelsa is due to age gap, but other than that, in my perspective, they make quite the interesting pair. Unlike other crack ships, these ones have at least a few reasons to see why it has good dynamics. Both have ice powers and have experienced the same isolation situations, with Elsa pushing people away and Jack being unable to be seen by any except the gaurdians. Jack, he's a charismatic guy who loves fun as shown in the snowballs and such while Elsa seems to take more of a negative and introvert type. In a sense they could bring the both of each other up. Regarding the age timeliness, while people claim that Jack is older, you can see that he's been set in the modern era, whereas Elsa is a queen. You don't get a lot of those around here. Now that she's become a spirit, possibly making her immortal, she could be much older than Jack. Likewise, Jack could have been born around the same period as her, as seen with the hut at the start of the movie. While there is no context about it, it is still quite possible. In other words 🤷‍♀️ 24-17 is 7 years apart.

[@neatoburrito3170]

Ew, Jelsa. That's an unpleasant blast from the past. Barring the age difference and incompatible personalities, they don't even look good together. Colors are in that ugly "too similar to properly contrast and too different to match" ballpark and the Disney Bratz doll proportions next to the far less stylized RotG proportions just look so comical, even in skillfully-done edits.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

If you hate these two, you are going to hate the big 4: merida, hiccup, rapunzel, and jack. There’s so much fanfiction over these 4 and it can get pretty interesting seeing the dynamics that play out. Elsa comes in and erupts these dynamics at times adding some drama. Now all I can think about are the tired and frustrated parents trying to have some fun with these franchises.

[@LaBellesGrace]

“Who’s the target audience for this?” 13 year old girls in the 2010s going on Tumblr for the first time fangirling over Jack who eventually grow up. Callimara did a fantastic video that covers the age gap and “controversy” surrounding this ship - if it wasn’t for the fact this ship became so popular, it wouldn’t be getting hated so easily. Everyone focuses on the “superficial side of things” without realising that their powers *is* part of their connection, just as much as them having been isolated from the world after trying to protect their sisters; making them being able to relate to and rely on the other in such a personal way. Shipping Jelsa is completely fine - especially when William Joyce has said himself in the past that he likes it. - sincerely, someone who was a 13 year old girl 10 years ago.

[@SMTH_After_All]

When I was younger I momentarily shipped Jack and Elsa because I thought Jack was 18. I eventually got bored of it pretty quickly and leaned into the Wreck-It Ralph and Elsa ship because that's a ship that the director/someone in the Frozen team actually ships because they thought they looked cute together seeing their promo posters next to each other. (It was clearly a joke obviously but Ralph and Elsa do have the cooler ship name, ice breaker) At the very least Ralph is an adult and he could totally date the Disney website version of Elsa if he and Elsa wanted to go for it. XD

[@lavenderandchrysanthemums9441]

Okay I never shipped Jelsa, I did ship HiJack which if I remember correctly is like from the same fandom group thingie. I honestly don't how I started shipping it, all I remember was reading fanfiction of it. One that I rememmber was one where Pitch was a mob boss or something and he wanted Hiccup for some reason. Jack didn't like that sonthey fought. Also, Toothless and Bunny were humans and together I think? Idk fandom is really wild man.

[@Animtion9toonZ]

I respect people's opinions, and because Disney and Dreamworks are competitors, and hate EACH OTHER- but um they can't change my mind Jack Frost and Elsa FOREVER! 🩵💙🤍

[@HerbCoswellBornAgain]

The idea of Elsa having a love interest was something i was always conflicted about. On the one hand, you could make the argument that it kind of goes against one of the points of the character and her appeal, but on the other hand, I think it could work if done right. Like, in Frozen 1 and 2, it makes sense not to give her a love interest, but for Frozen 3, I think you could give her one and make it work. Maybe another Elemental character like her who had the abilities of Fire or Lightning or something like that, and maybe make it apart of her arc, like maybe she realizes while she doesn't want to lose her independence, she also doesn't want to be alone for the rest of life. Which could be an interesting angle, her love interests doesn't even need to be male either, it could be a female instead. With that being said.....Jack Frost x Elsa is stupid. Ignoring that fact that Jack is underage, especially by this point in the timeline, but also, let's face it, I don't think they would like each other that much, if at all. Maybe some physical attraction on Jack's case, but I don't think anything would come of it due to them being polar opposites. I could see them having a platonic brother and sister bond, though.

[@iiamnel]

I loved this ship when I was a kid (still do!) I even screamed when the creator of Rise of the Guardian, acknowledges and also loves the IDEA of Jelsa.

[@QuietlyE]

WAIT REALLY? Nicee

[@k.Angela]

I really have no problem with crossover ships (heck, I am a Jackunzel and Mericcup shipper lol), and I do get the point why some entertain the idea of Jelsa. Like, ship what you want to ship guys, it's your preference. However, the only thing that annoys me in this ship is how most fans claim or believe they're an actual couple. Jack has been labelled as Elsa's boyfriend for so long when they did not even canonically meet. It's fair when others use an argument when "Eugene's with Rapunzel" or "Astrid is with Hiccup" although I still think shipping is different from canon, but "Elsa is Jack's gf, so no to other pairings" is just annoying when it's never even been the truth.

[@genevieveatwater4533]

I’ve been aware of Jelsa so long, I thought this video must have come out a couple years ago 🤣 many good points though. I think a lot of people see “immortal” as no longer counting in tens of age gaps though, so a lot of them don’t see Jack as a teen bc of that. But yeah the ship is really weird and kinda boring on top of it.

[@gtaipan7422]

I agree with every word you said and your share with point of view, for that I truly thank you. I know it can quite disturbing between a kids show and a teenage show later bind themselves chaotically. Maybe simply an edited story of some kind of what I called 'a parallel story in alternative universe'. Maybe in that kind of universe both Elsa and Jack Frost will become the same age and destined to meet each other to do great things together. That is my share of point of view to make your feelings comfortable again.

[@danicapearce4714]

My guess is that people have that itch to be creative, but aren't willing or able to put the effort in to make original characters. Or maybe they have an idea for a story (I'm being generous with that word) and think it will get more views if attached to familiar characters.

[@elisanoro]

I ship Jack with the tooth fairy ✋️💀 I remember hearing about this ship years ago and being annoyed because I thought it was stupid. Like, cmon. The ONLY reason they're being shipped is because they both have damn ice powers 🗿🗿 I was also annoyed cuz they're from different studios and will never interact 😂😂

[@breezy3392]

I would like to see Jack Frost and Peter Pan meet. Not for a ship! But for the unbridled chaotic fun that would come from it

[@CalvinKalisto]

Honestly I'm too desensitized to all this. When it comes to shipping characters with no screen time or even different universes I'm always left with one question. What's the fanart like? Because no matter how weird it is or little sense or the lack of chemistry, the fanart and fan comics is going to be the strongest fuel to the fire because it shows to a degree an example of what the relationship could be like even if it's biases. But that's my opinion.

[@aprilblues3202]

The fan art was great. I remember when Jelsa was at its peak and the fan art is 1000% the reason it stuck.

[@AshesOfDarkness_666]

I did not know Elsa was 21 in Frozen 1 (which would make her 24 in Frozen 2 and who knows how much time will pass Frozen 3) I new they make porn for it because they make porn for pretty much any ship now wether the ship makes sense or not I think the only reason they ship “Jelsa” because they have a lot in common

[@fishyguppy1851]

I remember coming across this ship on a few occasions when I was a preteen, and I too was squicked out. And then I managed to forget about it entirely until now

[@julianmartinez4719]

I have seen some fics where Elsa is shipped with danny fenton

[@fishyguppy1851]

I hate the internet sometimes

[@julianmartinez4719]

@@fishyguppy1851 is where izuku is shipped with bakugou so, i get what you mean.

[@ElfyZtar2959]

I can't remember her name but the only person I understand to ship Elsa with is that girl in the enchanted forest that she seems to make a bond with

[@inala9769]

Honeymaren

[@enurii]

I genuinely have no idea how I ended up shipping HiJack (Hiccup and Jack) when I wad 15 I genuinely have no idea whatsoever how I got there.

[@ToaAxiomMan]

Oh yeahhh thanks for unlocking those strange memories of crossover ships where you have stuff like Jack Frost x Rapunzel and self insert ships

[@Nisa_002]

As a person who had My little pony friendship is magic pony shipper phase, I FUCKING feel you bro!🥲

[@TheJoeschmoe777]

I don't even ship them but honestly...so what? It's all fiction. Just let people be happy, no harm done.

[@_Snarkles]

Ahh yes, let's take a ship between two fictional characters and get angry over it. 🙄

[@babylux5800]

Not going to lie I shipped this when I was younger however i did not know how old Jack was I just remember watching the ship videos that played a random song with the different scenes of the two characters mixed

[@diegomeinie9472]

I can't believe you haven't seen this nightmare before this year how mate.

[@Orto-jj2di]

*Company difference aside, I more like the theory of them being uncle-niece. Rather than lovers*

[@MonhooGameDevlogs]

It's called planet earth, yes we have a lots of shipping problem. Why we can't watch movies normally 😅

[@alvindoe2531]

One shipping that makes my blood boil with an undying fury is drarry ie harry potter and draco malfoy

[@inosuke7460]

LMAOO

[@empressofcreativity]

For me it’s Yakko Warner and Max Goof

[@ajstudios9210]

Yup. I've seen this ship for years and find it strange even though I understand why there is shipping. It is because of the ice powers and angsty past. I reminds me of the Cass x Varian ship, though. Ugh!🤢 I blame middleschoolers.

[@kevin-2.1]

Interesting dive, not only did Elsa and Jack have ice powers but they are lonely & caring. Also didn’t know about Jack being stuck in the same age, also there’s porn about Jack and Elsa!? Now that is a shocker.

[@inosuke7460]

Ur right about jack looking like a teenager yet has the voice of a grown man..lmaoo it also confused me back then so i thought he was the same age as elsa. Edit: Ngl I still liked this ship. Back then i prefer them having a romantic relationship but can you imagine the cinematic action scenes if they we're actually enemies? That would be so cool. (No pun intended lmao)

[@littlesparrow303]

Yeah I regret shipping Jelsa but I can see why I would like it back then as a teenager. I guess the reason we ship uncertain characters it is based on the chemistry. Jelsa it is surprising how people made it so popular & was insane to the point that people wanted to put Jack into Frozen 2 makes no sense

[@ggt47]

I hate shipping culture. It is so toxic. If you do not agree with a ship you are just a homophobe for some reason. Same goes with headcanon.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, honestly you really can’t help but to wonder how things like this gets started, I would actually like to know too. But anyway, while I can understand where you’re coming from, I don’t really mind it that much, actually I usually don’t really mind any kind of the whole Shipping thing in-general, so I am not really bothered by any of this, as for what I think if this Ship specifically, I do admit it’s quite intriguing, but nothing beyond that, Also, I usually don’t know Character’s Ages, so that was News to me, but it doesn’t really change my mind about it, to me this Ship is just something that exists and that’s it, Regardless, I do appreciate to hear your opinion about it and I will look forward to see what you will talk about next.

[@abby-cadabby]

I've known this ship since 2015-2016, I thought it was weird but interesting. This ship however, it only sent me down a rabbit hole of other really strange ships I've ever seen.

[@susanjimenez5500]

Oh, cinima therapy made a comment about this... and opined that they would likely not work out as a couple. Apparently, even grown men have heard of this ship... 🤣 I wouldn't know about it if not for my daughter, cinima therapy's off comment, and now this video.

[@Ximika_egimaX]

Honestly i only shipped this when i was a kid because other people shipped it lol-

[@Laura-hu6cz]

Here's the way I see it just because he's in ways still a teen he's also a spirt & if you follow frozen 2: she's in the same state making them timeless. But, that's just a thought.

[@vashtinayagar1325]

When I was a kid I didn't even know what a franchise was

[@slayerbrother5779]

oh boy Shipping is nothing that people will complain about have complain about and Still Complain about but in the Same time people that won't stop shipping not matter how weird.

[@luminousSt4r]

If we are talking about uncomfortable ships, just found a bunch of demon slayer ships that made me wanna gouge my eyes out with forks The ships I found: Sanemi x Muichiro, Yuichiro x Muichiro, MUZAN X MITSURI(wtf) Giyuu x tanjiro, Nezuko x muzan, Daki x Nakime, and the list goes on but I’m to lazy to to type all of this, so now I’m gonna go start the next hurricane Katrina with my gayness 😌

[@lilpandanesegirl]

if you look at the guy from treasure planet jim they ship him with all disney characters lol.

[@cyjstars]

my take on it: before, i was indifferent to it, but now i'm just facepalming because of FUCKING course jack's a teenager. i've never actually watched rise of the guardians so that was VERY new information for me LMAOO i fixate obsessively on the ages of characters in fandoms i'm in, frozen included, because as a fanfic writer myself. it's important for me to get in their heads properly, and an eighteen-year-old would def think differently from twenty-three, which is how old she was approximately in frozen 2. so, there's the thing. i'm a fanfic writer, so i've seen the great, the good, the bad, and the ugly. obviously you may be able to tell i write rpf fanfic - k-pop, to be specific - and judge me if you'd like, but the point i'm trying to make here is that as awful as it is, i'm honestly not surprised jelsa is normalized when people know how old jack is. like, sometimes i read crackships for the fun of it myself - there is this ABSOLUTELY insane, heart-wrenching barbie x dracula fic out there, it's gold, trust me, and for the kpoppies; once read a singular zb1 gyuvin and jang wonyoung fic that was . . . great - and like you said, there's definitely a certain kind of logic to why they're shipped. but that's just it. to some people, logic = justification for their twisted fantasies. sucks, but it's true. what *I* think about fanfic is this: it's fine, it's more than okay. like some people these days give us all of justifications for why fanfic is not good, this and that, and some people say that these days "teenagers" are obsessed with fanfic. maybe true, but y'know, fanfiction - even rpf - has been around since as early as the 1980s. it's not a bad thing. fanfic is only bad when certain parties - for example, anne rice - say that they disapprove of it. and if fanfic were illegal, do you think k-pop fanfic would thrive as much as it does? the agencies could easily ban us, but they don't. hell, there was essentially a fanfic competition recently on a k-pop socmed platform for a group called enhypen (i did not enjoy it). what i'm getting at is this: fanfic is a form of creative expression for us. we take the things - or people - we love and turn it into something that CAN and IS a form of art. sure, some of the outcome isn't great. but the whole world knows about fanfic now, even the people and creators of the things we write them about. (kpoppies, remember when nu'est talked about fanfic written about them years ago?) and maybe i'm gonna get hated on for this, but personally, i don't see why we spend so much time hating on porn fanfics and fanart. just, let it be? they're not REALLY harming anyone. if you think about it, it's essentially a more extended form of thirsting lmaoo. which is a stretch, i know, but over the years i've learned that if you just let it be, then you'll be happier than if you bothered about it so much. not that you can't say it does bother you! you can, just, don't make a HUGE deal out of it, you know? jelsa certainly squicks me out now. but as awful as it is, at the end of the day, it's just another one of the long, long, LONG list of insane things that go on in fanfic rabbit holes. personally not for me, and i certainly do not encourage normalizing this any further, but at this point, how reversible is it, really? i do think we should discourage it. but also, just, go on with our own lives, you know? okay that was a really long rant but y'all get the point

[@lauracerqueiramachado8979]

It´s always annoyed me how people ship them even though they are almost the genderbent version of each other, I´m a shipper but for me to ship a couple they got to at least have a bit of chemistry so my favorites are usually those who are very different and unlikely to work together but still somehow they do, and it´s not the case here, if you show like a not so romantic fanart of these two characters to a kid that haven´t watched either of theses movies yet then they will probably think they are siblings, I´d ship Elsa with some fire-bender because of the "opposites attract each other" thing and Jack with some other guardian (the Tooth Fairy wouldn´t work well because of the same reasons you explained)

[@QuietlyE]

I mean, they do ultimately have chemistry. Despite the fact that they're both ice people, they relate to each other in terms of isolation. When it comes to personality, Elsa is pretty much the time to be less charismatic and Jack might bring the joy into her something like that 😂

[@Jack_is_attacking]

Shhh No one tell him about the crack side of ao3/wattpad and how some people ship Peppa pig and the grinch! Shhhh But honestly not that bad. Even in Rise of the guardians people ship Pitch and Jack. Plus in Frozen people ship Anna and Elsa or Anna and Olaf. Fandoms get weird as hell lol.

[@TheDreamingCroc]

I met a girl who shipped pitch and Jack irl. I'm scared

[@inosuke7460]

IKR they even ship jack x bunny lol.. ships are all weird but I think Jelsa is one of the decent ones

[@Imakeaicoversforsomereason]

@@TheDreamingCrocoh my goodness wth?

[@puredemon5926]

Huh. So with the age thing in mind, the Jack/Hiccup (yes Hiccup from HTTYD) makes a lot more sense lmao. (The first HTTYD movie anyway.) But also I've just always viewed Elsa and Jack as siblings. It just makes sense to me. Also, also, I've always viewed Jack as 19 or so. Movie Jack at least. To keep me sane if I read a Jelsa fic. These movies were release around the same time, ROTG in 2012 and Frozen in late 2013. Along with Brave (or was Brave in 2010?) and HTTYD in 2012, and Tangled in 2014. That's probably one of the main reasons this started.

[@squallrowlandson8028]

There is also Samus Aran (Metroid) X Jim Hawkins (Treasure Planet) which is just as bad and awful as Elsa X Jack Frost.

[@zedover9000]

I am perfectly fine with this ship yes his body and mentality are stuck as a teenager but legally speaking what makes a relationship legal or not is not based on development physically or mentally yes those are expected to happen, but there are exceptions look at Tatsumaki from one punch man, for example, she is 28 with the body of a 12 to 14-year-old and her mentality leaves a lot to be desired from a 28-year-old. Age is not based on development but on how long you have been on the planet as it revolves around the sun. When dealing with characters who no longer can age you have to remember age as we define it is based on the number of times the earth would have revolved around the sun while they have existed. So Jack's real age is 317 years old so he is not a minor sure he looks and acts like one but based on how age is actually defined he is not a minor.

[@starscreamsniper926]

I can see how Jack Frost X Elsa is popular but I ship Jack Frost with Tooth Fairy and Elsa with Honeymaren. That aside, Jack is a teen of a nonspecific age and Elsa is 21 in Frozen 1 and 24 in Frozen 2.

[@joeleboeuf]

@Smarty Pants: I can't stand this ship, at all! This garbage shouldn't have been created. Elsa's 21, and Frost's over 300 years old! From her perspective, he's too old for her! And apart from the age difference, there's no way in hell she'd even _consider_ dating him. Frost is beneath Elsa, not worth her time.

[@moonsdottir]

Its awkward for me because from me watching Frozen and now have to watch all the frozens on repeat now that i have a kid. Elsa is bare min coded Ace. If not aromantic. Like this ship just feels icky because 1. I know the cannon ages of these characters. 2. It feels like ace/aroman erasing. (I know this one is personal and head canon because there is no "official " status for elsa).

[@roshanfey]

i don't think the culprit is jack's character design at all -- in the movie (not books), he's physically 17/18 and born in colonial america (short life span, probably under-nourished hence the sharper features and skinny silhouette). while jack is a fun-loving, easygoing character, there are moments where we see his emotional depth, maturity, and compassionate heart shine through, and i don't think it would have been conveyed as effectively if he was given a higher-pitched childish voice like many other media portrayals of the mythical jack frost. his voice brings that warm brotherly feel that is so definitive of his character. there are plenty of older teenage boys who sound like him, and even deeper. chris pine was nothing short of brilliant as jack frost. the culprit, in my opinion, is the young frozen fanbase of the early 2010s who had very stereotypical and shallow ideas of romance and decided ice powers and good looks were enough reason to ship jack and elsa together. many jelsa shippers, most gratingly, only care for jack as one half of a ship so that elsa has a boyfriend of her own, no thought given to the idea that maybe they work better as a platonic duo instead, given their individual personalities. the whole thing feels very superficial and heteronormative even without the creepy age difference and creepier fanworks; it is always so uncomfortable seeing all the suggestive content and scenarios of jelsa having children that is so rampant with this ship. both characters are very queer/asexual-coded to me. it calls into question why this level of sexualisation of fictional characters is so normalised in fandom, even characters like jack and elsa who are very unconventional in their approach to relationships. it's not the fault of dreamworks that overly hormonal teenagers lack respect for the artists that lovingly create these characters.

[@Piriguin_aweoneke]

I'm Part of two different fandoms of two different books where one them, the second most popular popular ship (the most popular being the two main characters in a canon romantic relationship) is the siblings of the main characters with each other, both decently important characters of their own in the story but aside from them being the very definition of opposites, personality, political views, morals, etc, they've never, not a single time interacted with one another, being a part of the same universe, knowing, by the end of the book being political family, being in the same scene and room most of the book, they literally never interact at all, but they're still the second most popular ship in the history of this book with a fandom so loyal that they can spend hours explaining how those two definitely got together after the events of thed book ended. The second book, the most popular ship being the two main characters in a canon romantic relationship, the second being the best friends of these two characters respectively, the two being close friends themselves and being together and interacting most of the time we see them, but at the end of the day one of them DECAPITATES THE OTHER'S BROTHER IN FRONT OF HIM, KIDNAPES HIM AND TORTURES HIM MENTALLY AND RUINS HIS LIFE BECAUSE THE DUDE WAS ONLY PRETENDING TO BE HIS FRIEND BUT ENDED UP BEING ALL A PLOT TWO SLOWLY GET HIS TRUST TO THEM RUIN HIS LIFE. AND THEY'RE STILL THE SECOND MOST POPULAR SHIP, the fandom of this ship even has an inside joke were thay say "what? That part of the book never existed, what are you talking about?" To forget the fact of what they're relationship actually was. Basically you really don't anything need anything for a ship to become popular

[@_mr_star_]

Why there are so many shipping, well because the people feel lonely and others stuff, maybe.

[@chrissyfoster6373]

I'm in my 30s, but I love to play with children. Some people like to stay young in their minds as they develop capabilities to be grown-up. The fantasy of lonely people finding someone to stop the loneliness.

[@panster8891]

This ship is impossible because Jack Frost can't be seen by adults because he's a guardian of childhood only kids can see him if they believe in him also I thought Jack was 18 because in the Bio when I got him from an Happy Meal (the only one I ever got) it was said that he was 18 for 300 years so I think it began from McDonald's someone got Jack Frost read that he was 18 years old and then shipped him with Elsa because of an age misunderstanding

[@twoczents]

This is the equivalent of shipping a half-baked frozen pizza with a cardboard cut-out. I'm just glad that now this trend is about as popular as NFTs.

[@toastedpiiiza]

idk why it’s popular, but i like the ship😭 i haven’t watched the jack frost movie so im not aware that he’s underage, i honestly thought he’s older. But yeah i still like the ship. 🫶

[@SATURN_202]

This is the reason why should Disney give elsa a bf or gf to stop the jelsa ship(the ship name)

[@roshanfey]

or, hear me out... fandom learns to appreciate aro ace characters and stop forcing stereotypical ideas of love and romance on everything!

[@nip3004]

I mean... at least it's not Elsa and Spiderman

[@michaelbrent1536]

There also fandom called Rise of the Brave Tangle Dragon or The Big Four with Jack Frost(Dreamwork Rise of the Guardians),Hiccup(How to train your dragon),Rapunzel(Disney Tangled) and Merida(Pixar Brave) go on these Wacky adventures and do Parodies and Movies!

[@محمداشرف-د5ب3ط]

What I want Disney to do in frozen 3 is to create a original character like Jack Frost. In fact, there's a theory that the first fifth spirit was a boy, so maybe they finally listened to the fans.

[@amandakoederitz]

If they do that then we may still have jelsa but along with some type of strange love triangle or rivalry thing. 😂😂 I don’t really know why jelsa became a thing in the first place and I don’t want to.

[@barbforeverlma0]

It’s also disgusting how some of the shippers know the age gap but don’t care and still ship them like wtf