The WORST Aviation Disaster In 30 Years!

[@punky5718]

It can happen. C-1 departing NAS Alameda. Weather was 400’ overcast. Flying in the left seat, I called, “Set climb power,” as we entered the cloud base. I was on instruments. Copilot retarded both throttles slightly, reached for the prop levers and concentrated on the RPM gage in order to set 2000 RPM as requested. Unfortunately he had grabbed the mixture which he used to shut down both engines. I push his hands away and moved every lever forward. Both R-1820s restarted. Only lost a couple hundred feet. On top, passing 6K, we finally set climb power and had an intense discussion concerning the event. The point is that while one pilot may get tunnel vision, we are a crew. Know and practice good CRM.

[@alanm8932]

@punky5718 That's a good example of how the wrong control can be moved, with potentially significant consequences and it can be quickly noticed and corrected. However, the difference between you and the event in this video isn't entirely your superior CRM! You were climbing, so it was blatantly obvious to you that the engines were shut down both in the dramatic performance change and the sound change of piston engines that were at a high power setting being shut down. You couldn't possibly miss that for a second! In this video, they were descending, turboprop engines contributing negligible thrust. So, very little to notice in performance or sound. (Also the props were feathered, so little noticeable drag introduced). Obviously, despite the training situation, they shouldn't have both been so fixated on what's outside the windows that they neglected to scan their instruments.

[@punky5718]

@@alanm8932 True. Points taken.

[@thedahlins]

Wow! What a moment! I bet your attention was completely focused on what was happening in that instant. Even sitting here in the safety of my home I can feel the intensity of that moment!

[@krautyvonlederhosen]

Thank god and wright aircraft engines. Were you flying CODs?

[@kalef1234]

Dang scary

[@mikrif2767]

22000 hours and he pulls a blunder like this killing all on board! He may as well have pulled as hard as he can on the control column in the final approach to show he's not fit to fly. Fatigue makes pilots do absolutely crazy things. safety is no accident.

[@afriendlyfaceinthecrowd]

Astute observation. I don't recall fatigue being mentioned as a possible cause by Hoover (will watch video again) and yes, exhaustion and acting by "muscle memory" rather than focusing on setting the flaps seems like a good psychological explanation for this mishap.

[@BomalNeloAnagrm300]

I also think that if the flaps always need to be adjusted to 30 degrees that it should be on the checklist. As Hoover has said many times, people's minds can trick them into thinking that they've already done something that they haven't--or they just plain forget to do it. Like you said, fatigue can be a factor.

[@DarthVader1977]

You completely leave out the female pilot......showing your bias much?

[@Ghost_Hybrid]

Torque doesn't go to zero when you feather the props unless you also pull power to idle. If you are a jet guy I can understand the confusion - but in a variable pitch turboprop unless you take the condition levers all the way to cutoff (which cuts fuel from the engines), you are producing indicated power and lots of noise but no actual thrust. A feathered prop would actually increase torque because they are full force slapping the air broadside. From her point of view this would be incredibly confusing, with high indicated torque and engine noise but no thrust. If I were new to turboprops and this happened to me I don't know what I could have done in her shoes with so little time to analyze the situation and limited experience to draw on. Really sad for everyone on this airplane. Any professional pilot worth their salt looks at these accidents and thinks, "This could have been me," hugs their kids a little tighter, and tries to apply the lesson learned to fight complacency.

[@benpratt4681]

On the way to "feather" the torques would have increased, but I believe they would have ended up at zero. If these engines are anything like the one on the Caravan, the props would stand tall regardless of the engine's RPM because they'd disengage from the gearbox, thus producing no torque. At least in the Caravan you have the advantage of seeing that prop right in front of you at all times, unlike in a multi with your engines on the wings. Now, in the C-130 your condition levers go through "Ground Stop" on the way to "Feather," so the engines would quit as well, but there's almost zero chance somebody would mistake the one (1) flap handle for the four (4) condition levers. Anyway pilots, let me know how wrong I am.

[@navy_flyer2331]

@@benpratt4681 It's entirely possible that the CA could have grabbed the condition levers out of sheer muscle memory, including the lift gates, due to the high-task-loading situation of a turning visual approach to a challenging airfield. You may not believe this, but with task-loading many revert to lizard brain, as is evidenced by COUNTLESS experienced pilots landing gear up with a gear horn blaring. I think this was just a case of task-loading causing the incorrect lever to be pulled (albeit, pulled accurately), due to inattention and time-pressure. Also, of not, a landing checklist that doesn't confirm configuration (i.e.: flap setting) is ludicrous to me.

[@AmericanSurvival001]

@@navy_flyer2331 my question is if I or you had reached down to grab the lever, thinking it was the flaps later realizing you did not set the flaps and that you now have wondering what did you do before with your hands while she’s saying there’s no power? He should not have been in that plane he obviously was either rusty or untested in that configuration I operate many types of heavy machinery, even going back to the farm all my life and drive a CDL truck, and there is one woman out of 1000 that is exemplary in an 18 wheeler and as confident as 95% of men the rest are somewhere in between. We have a saying women ride on machines and men become one with them. I don’t think women’s understand men’s desire to master or be the master of machines rather they see them completely different, and they never have have the bond that men have with machines, I can’t understand how she could not figure out, whether was no power when there are two different different levers to create it, and Amir glance would’ve told her you don’t need the gauges to tell you the props are spinning it maximum??

[@FutureGamer3]

As A former ATR Captain this mistake should’ve have never happened This is a clear example of tunnel vision not paying attention to the instruments what the aircraft is telling you both pilots are responsible for double checking to make sure everything is good this is truly tragic and should have never happened

[@johnnunn8688]

@@FutureGamer3, reading into your comment, you’re about as much an ATR Captain as I am 🤣😂.

[@SammyNeedsAnAlibi]

Great vid. In the Navy, we would call this "A Loss of Situational Awareness" and a major failure to communicate. Sad.

[@HansNLL]

Most amazing for me: the instructor brings flaps to 30, but is later requested to do this again and he does. But he seemingly does not ask himself what handles he changed when he was requested for flaps 30 at the first time.

[@arinerm1331]

It's tragic that the pilot monitoring seemed to be keeping himself in the role of pilot flying. With no one monitoring, mistakes like this are far, far too easy to miss.

[@musawas]

Bingo!

[@MIKEPGH]

So on the timeline at 10:56:54 flaps move to thirty. He didn't even question himself about what he pulled earlier if the flaps weren't at thirty?

[@chrishenderson5444]

evidently... it must not have x'd his mind..

[@FSEVENMAN]

Real pilots can feel the flaps deploy, If you're into the science of flight you're connected to your aircraft and you can absolutely feel the flaps deploy.

[@Pedro-fh6if]

Maybe he was too focused on her not doing stupid sh*t, that he forgot to monitor his own stupid sh*t.

[@Chishannicon]

All I can think is that he remembers moving the lever to 30, but that when he noticed it was back at 15, he may have thought that it got accidentally knocked back somehow, and it was just a matter of moving it back to 30 once again to correct the issue.

[@Sky_Pony_1_mic_sierra]

He probably realized something was wrong at that point, but would rather auger the thing into the ground then admit he made a mistake.

[@mnpd3]

When the PM realized he hadn't lowered the flaps he of course corrected it. What I can't understand why he didn't seem to remember that he had moved SOMETHING in his initial failed attempt. Correcting his error was two-part; setting the flaps at 30 AND identifying and resetting the lever he actually moved.

[@philherb3843]

Actually, three parts: Inform the pilot flying, correct the mistake AND identifying and resetting the lever he actually moved. By informing, the pilot flying would see that there is no stabilized aproach and possibly would cancel the aproach. By demanding power so much earlier, the time for finding the fault would be much better.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

To be fair, we don't know which pilot eventually moved the flaps to 30. It could have been the PIC.

[@Bren39]

​@@OMGWTFLOLSMHalmost certainly not. The PM always configures the airplane.

[@robertgaudet7407]

@@Bren39also the PM says ‘flaps’ out loud as the flaps actually get switched. He just also says ‘flaps’ out loud when he feathers the propellers first. And someone flips the master caution off right away when feathering the propellers causes it to squawk. Almost as if someone expected the master caution to go off and planned to shut it off right away when it did. Almost as if someone wanted that plane to crash.

[@NinkSink]

​@@robertgaudet7407these are excellent points. Either he was extremely incompetent for whatever reason, maybe a minor stroke, or he was maniacal in wanting to commit suicide. I'm sure the full investigation will vet out anything like massive debt or loss of loved one or wife divorcing or whatever. I'm glad you pointed this out cuz I was getting a little leery myself when I realize wait a second when there was signals it went off right when the feathering occurred. But they might have had just pure tunnel vision and completely ignored those things. Like I sleep through alarms in the morning. Don't know. Still tragic for all of the innocents. Whether they perished or they are family and loved ones and friends.

[@chnalvr]

I feel very sorry for the children of Captain Anju because both their father and their mother died as pilots in tragic plane crashes with the same airline.

[@jessiefrye3045]

I don't fly. But for some reason, I'm hooked on this channel.

[@rtqii]

I hate planes and heights. But I follow air disasters and mountain disasters on KZbin.

[@DrummerJacob]

same, I actually think im going to study some basic pilots flight books cause im that curious. i play a little flight simulator and my dads a pilot and owns a small cessna which ive actually been able to fly without any training, but really only have like 40 mins of flight time and will probably never do that again :) cheers to my armchair pilot fleet

[@LadyOaksNZ]

I've flown around the world from home in NZ and zip around Aussie and South Pacific islands regularly but I'm still terrified of flying and usually knock myself out with a sleeping pill. One of my Uncles was a NZAF pilot killed in a motorcycle accident... the other a farm worker who got his pilot's license just so he could fly to remote coasts to gather seafood. This channel is excellent informative and highly educational. Thanks Hoover. 💯💯💯

[@LadyOaksNZ]

​@@DrummerJacobThat's cool !!

[@sherrylong7774]

Same. I’m 60 , don’t like heights, get motion sickness easy and have no desire to be on something I can’t get off of with a bunch of people I don’t know. I have issues obviously 😂

[@captainlegs1]

Thus is ALL on Capt KC as the supervising captain. 50 years ago I was obtaining my multi engine rating. I’ll never forget my esteemed instructor/examiner, Walter Koladza admonishing me to “never feather two together”. Modern day SOP dictate that when a configuration change is effected, the person selecting should vocally confirm “selected AND confirmed”. Such a sad fully preventable and senseless accident. I fully support your assessment. I pray Capt Anju is at peace as she has rejoined her husband (after his Twin Otter crash).

[@Ghost_Hybrid]

That might have saved them, or maybe not. I could not count the times in my flying career I have heard another pilot say "checked" or "set" without actually confirming before the words are out. We are animals who rely on muscle memory and even the best disciplined pilots have cognitive errors. I have learned to force myself to look, point and then say what I see - because the pull of confirmation bias is strong. In my current airline both pilots confirm configuration changes visually, both switch/lever/handle and the indicator. We are only human, after all.

[@thomasmleahy6218]

Look, point, say good way to keep your focus on your actions and inform the cockpit crew and make them aware of your actions, an automatic double check, so nothing is assumed. Can't believe the flaps and engine actions weren't obvious, noticable. As a passenger, I'm always cognizant of even slight decelerations as we near our destination. Reminds me of a long ago first flight sightseeing. Nearing the airport on the return, the pilot was configuring the plane for landing (single engine) decelerated then applied flaps, and feeling this, I was alarmed and remember thinking Don't Stop! Why are we stopping?! But quickly realized what was happening and cancelled panic mode. The pilot saw this, and gave me a look of recognition. I explained it to him after landing and engine off, and we both had a chuckle. But him looking at me turning beet red, he knew, and that move definitely got my attention! Probably gave him a story to relate to the other flyers and have a laugh. You should've seen his...

[@FSEVENMAN]

You are absolutely incorrect you have to place most of the blame on the actual person flying the airplane when you are the primary pilot controlling the aircraft you are responsible for that aircraft and you need to know what it's doing at all times.

[@Ghost_Hybrid]

@@FSEVENMAN You're not a professional pilot are you?

[@krautyvonlederhosen]

Sadly, that type of cockpit banter has gone the way of check gear down, cleared to land.

[@thecook238]

This accident is baffling. How can you make such a rookie mistake ... heartbreaking, may all RIP!

[@KainsAddiction]

Fuckin noobs

[@wobby1516]

Unbelievable that the pilot monitoring wasn’t doing just that. Human error once again takes the lives of innocent passengers.

[@thomasgreen8894]

More like human stupidity & on the flight deck their is no room for even a small, brainless mistake. Unfortunately to many people have died over the years from people we trust not paying attention.

[@andrewtaylor940]

This one illustrates just how difficult even a minor change in the cockpit environment or orientation can be. This was a check ride flight. The main pilot in the Left seat was a new Captain being checked out to fly into the new airport. In the Right seat was an extremely experienced check ride Captain. Ie a Senior Captain that is among other things trained on being able to fly the plane from either seat. As he will fly in the Right Co-Pilots seat while evaluating other pilots. But even with all of his cross training and experience, when he reached down to do a task with his Left Hand that he does most of the time with his Right, he simply grabbed and moved the wrong lever without realizing it. In spite of all the cross training his muscle memory failed him at a critical point. And I’m not saying this to dump on him. It shows how much of being a pilot relies on precise memory and muscle training. On doing it right on trained instinct. Your body knows where the controls and levers are relative to you. And how scary hard it can be to step even slightly outside that relative environment.

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

@@andrewtaylor940 Ive always wondered why in new planes they don't copy (not mirror) at least the critical flight controls....like anything that movies a wing component. Like not just elevators, rudders and ailerons, but also flaps and spoilers.

[@andrewtaylor940]

@@ChadDidNothingWrong Because at the end of the day they only have so much cockpit real estate to physically work with. Everything has to fit within easy arms reach of the pilots while still fitting within the airframe. Even on modern highly automated glass cockpit jets, its still quite crowded. Plus it increases a certain layer of complexity to system when everything has duplicate controls. For example just the amount of complex software logic needed to manage an Airbus's dual sidesticks, to try and guess which pilot is the actual flying pilot in the even of an input mismatch between the two seats is enormous. ANd it's guessed wrong in the case of a few spectacular crashes. Air France 447 being the go to example. Now add that same digital logic maze to just about every control in the cockpit. It's hard to see it as an improvement.

[@garyluchau432]

This is why I don't fly.

[@michaelrichter8766]

Pilot here. I always tell other pilots I fly with, do not only rely on the pilot monitoring reply when you ask for a specific action to be performed. Is your duty to be the copilot backup and always check that what you ask on a checklist is accomplished accordingly.

[@jshepard152]

Smart

[@nofurtherwest3474]

Honestly, can't we just create software/AI to do all the flying for us? not trying to put anyone out of a job but it seems we should be able to program our way to flying. essentially view the plane as a flying computer. yes even then it might have errors but should be safer than humans.

[@SimPitTech]

this "nicely" demonstrates what happens when woman is involved. People will do mental gymnastics to avoid stating the obvious

[@thecoondog56]

now you might getting into a deliberate act,...and because she was a woman,.i wonder ..would a man have caught that missed flap and figured out the low power sooner ,..if not by just looking at the instruments..or the locations of the handles ....that feather control was not any where near where it should have been @@SimPitTech

[@rtc9]

@@nofurtherwest3474 It's a good question. The issue is handling the 1 in 100, 1 in 1000, ... 1 in 100000 probability oddball events. This is why Tesla and the self-driving car industry is taking so much longer to produce super-reliable self driving cars than hoped for. Humans are still better at handling unexpected rare events.

[@paddy1952]

In 1974 or '75 I was doing my Commercial license in Langley, BC, Canada when Skyway Aviation got the contract to train the first batch of Nepali pilots after Nepal had purchased Twin Otters from DHC. Along with the purchase, the deal included ab-initio training for a group of Nepalis in Langley. A couple of their instructors told me that all were selected according to social status or their parent's political clout, and none had ever driven a car. A Cessna 150 was the very first vehicle any of them had ever tried to operate. One had only to listen to the radio chatter to know that some of them could barely speak or understand English. I later flew Twin Otters myself in the Canadian Arctic. It's a wonderfully forgiving airplane, very easy to fly, but flying anything in the mountains can be a fraught undertaking. I don't know if these guys sat right-seat beside contract pilots to learn their business, but I imagine they must have. All in all, they seem to have done well back in Nepal, but I do recall making a note to self: "Avoid flying on Nepali Airlines".

[@dmack1827]

They we still there 4 years later when I went through. I remember having the same thoughts. There was no shortage of excellent instruction from the like of Harry Warman, Ed Batchelor, Jake Woelk, and Rod McInnes? The Nepalese on the whole, seemed to be a successful program.

[@paddy1952]

@@dmack1827 Ed Batchelor was the examiner for my Commercial ride. A gentleman if ever there was one.

[@mindguru22]

Even today I don’t fly Nepal based airlines and for that matter don’t even trust their road drivers. Absolute cowboyish attitude prevails in whole society. Sad to say that.

[@paddy1952]

@@mindguru22 The only South Asian pilot I knew well was the former Pakistan Air Force pilot who trained me as a Class III instructor in Vancouver. One of the most disciplined and professional pilots I've ever flown with.

[@psychiatry-is-eugenics]

So investigators skip history ?

[@singleproppilot]

What baffles me about this accident is that the right seater feathered both propellers by accident, and all they got from the aircraft was a single DING as a warning. They had 45 seconds from the fateful mistake until they stalled and fell from the sky, they both commented how speed was falling off, and yet the aircraft gave them no clue what they did wrong. This seems like a design flaw of the ATR 72.

[@sfafew3708]

Flap set was hugely different to propeller settings, though he managed to feather _both_ propellers 'by accident'?? If I got it correctly, they were also secured with button control for each one. Buzzles me..

[@cynthiatolman326]

Definitely not enough redundancy to overcome e human error. Not sure I expressed that correctly, but you understand I'm sure.

[@11pupona]

yes, a simple alarm sound voicing "feathered, feathered" would have sufficed, how many times do you feather the engines anyway?? another fix is this: to feather the engines you have to push a button, so there is 0% chance you mistakenly move a different lever. again, how common is to feather the engines????

[@josebrown5961]

The pilot flying mentioned that she had “no power” at least once or was it twice? How much was there to see outside when she could have looked down to see the prop condition?

[@frankwilliams4445]

​I just commented this exact same thing. Random beeps and chimes PISS ME OFF. They are the OPPOSITE of helpful when you're in a stressful situation and onlyserve to add MORE STRESS AND MORE CONFUSION. 1 simple word would have saved everyone. "Feathering" So sad and such a shame. @11pupona

[@thedahlins]

Thanks for laying this out for us! As a pilot I can say that any change to an airplanes configuration is quite noticeable. If ten degrees of flaps are called for, the change in pitch, sound and airspeed is easily detected and expected. How is that neither of these pilots sensed that? The monitoring pilot should have immediately noticed that his action did not have the result he should have been expecting. Likewise, feathering the props would have a distinct change in the planes behavior. This accident did not happen instantly, there was time to correct their mistakes, but neither pilot seemed to be aware of what the plane was telling them. They should have been able to detect this without looking at the instruments and as soon as they noticed an anomaly, a quick check of the instruments would have allowed them to begin flying the plane again. It's possible that neither of these pilots should have been given the responsibility over other people's lives.

[@johnwoodall3791]

Change needs to come from Firstly Airline Management and that related to Two Being the Training of the Pilots themselves. When I Review the Video I can't clearly see the Position of the Flaps Set for this point of the Landing Approach. Much was read Into that of the report on the initial cause of the Accident which was that their may have been Substance for that of Pilot Error and incorrect Pilot Pronunciation in Terms of what Now, What happened as one Investigator said and by the time the Pilot Flying the Lady Hand seat had a chance to observe what was wrong their was some Abhorrent remarks being made in relation to what is the Command and then another saying What's happened. At this time the Aircraft had Washed off Speed and the Yaw to the Left now more Apparent, Then a yell of the Props are Feathered and by this time the Aircraft was at Almost Wingtip Wise 90 Degree to the Land Mass and continued to Roll, In all the Confusion which Comes with a Cataclysm so close to Landing an Aircraft the height above Ground had Decreased Significantly and their was No Chance of a Recovery from the Position the Aircraft was in. Airlines need to be more Poignant on what a Captain's Role is and that of a First Officer and the Procedures as i noted from Cockpit Talk that their were Clear indications that Neither Pilot knew what was happening, A guess to mine is they also thought of a Control Surface Failure. We're all expert's when it comes to that which happened but neither does it Give us the right to say what we would have done in such a situation with the Aircraft in the Attitude it was in for landing only for something Like this to happen. For mine also the Aircraft Manufacturer may want to Devise an a Stem Lock on the Handle Control of the Props for Feathers until the Aircraft Touches Down and reacts with an Auto Release to Control or is Overridden by the Crew as we have seen when Flying Long Maritime Patrols to Shut Down an Engine and Feather the Propeller to allow increased Time on Patrol. Now the Manufacturer can do the Above or Simply Reconfigure where this Control Goes such as above in the Overhead Panel. The Sadness is that this isn't the first Crew to Encompass that of an Not Well Teamed Crew working in Cohesion and with True Understanding of that which is. A Perfect example of Team Work well ask Captain Sully Sullenberger. Regards

[@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions]

I heard the audio where she told him three times...

[@thedahlins]

@@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions Thanks for your reply. Yes, she does call for flaps, but both pilots fail to notice that the expected change in aircraft performance doesn't occur. This is particularly true when thirty degrees of flaps are called for, which would cause a large change in aircraft pitch and airspeed. Also calling for flaps or other things should be verified by a glance at the instruments. How would you describe it? Is she simply in over her head? Has the monitoring pilot become too complacent? In addition to the flaps not being noticed or verified, inappropriately feathering the props is something they both should have noticed. Very unfortunate. I think Pilot Debrief has done an excellent job of presenting this accident in a way that makes us think so that we can all become better pilots.

[@SAWats]

​​​@@thedahlinsThe monitoring pilot failed. He was the one truly in charge. His lack of any attention at all killed everyone. Sadly. She was trusting on him as instructor.

[@thomasgreen8894]

Flying a plane is it typically normal to just grab & throw switches without looking to see what your doing?

[@rickstevenson9487]

Every pilot should be watching ALL of your videos.

[@jimdeboer84]

It seems to me that an audio indication on what position the center console levers are in would be a big step forward in commercial aviation, such as “flaps at 30 degrees” or “props feathered” or “engines at 25% power” or something like that for at least a one time announcement. Maybe the larger planes already have them but this aircraft certainly could have used them.

[@pilot-debrief]

He just needed to do his job as pilot monitoring

[@edd943]

@@pilot-debrief I agree, but adding a extra layer of voice feedback from the instruments will surly prevent lot of possible future accidents, like this one.

[@L0615T1C]

@@edd943 The pilots already have a lot in their hands, adding unnecessary chimes/audio warnings will only serve to distract the pilot. The handles are shaped and operated differently precisely to avoid confusion.

[@Shrimpwinglet]

@@pilot-debriefcan you talk about the colgan air incident?

[@captainlegs1]

best yet, read my remark earlier regarding “selected AND confirmed”

[@bobg1069]

I have said this before elsewhere. Like you I am a military trained pilot, fast jet, ground attack. From my first flight as a trainee to my first Squadron combat ready check was 4 years. I was selected for pilot training against strong competition and my innate aviation abilities and suitability to continue were regularly checked. This is not the case with civilian pilots. If you have enough money, despite the lack of any real ability, you can become qualified to carry passengers. My 7,500 hours were all flown manually, This Captains 20,000 would most probably have been flown on automatics and were it seems largely irrelevant to the tragic outcome. The World is festooned with pilots who are dangerously under qualified for the job, I am not suggesting that this Captain was one of those, but what appears to be such a basic error is inexcusable. Okay, rant over.

[@djangoWier]

Saw someone found a passengers phone and uploaded the video of crash. Plane tips left upside down, Full on flames explodes and screaming people .. video stops. R.i.p. to all passengers and crew.

[@ChrisSprenger.]

Yikes..sorry you saw that

[@djangoWier]

@@ChrisSprenger. no need to be sorry, i found it , facinating, horrorific at same time.

[@careyglowe914]

😪

[@saraprva4172]

Think I saw a passenger film on FB live. His family/friends may have been watching, it so awful RIP 🙏

[@johnpappas5413]

So where is it

[@DF-eg8vl]

I like to watch these stories as a project manager because it gives me the awareness at my job for when things can go south. My problem is that nobody else gets it.

[@exit328]

I flew into this airport and I couldn't believe how close those aircraft come to overrunning the runway. Even when there is a strong tail wind they would land with a tailwind. I was surprised I didn't see any aircraft go off the edge while I was there.

[@markr.1984]

That is off topic, has nothing to do with this accident.

[@mikerodent3164]

@@markr.1984 Incorrect. Nepal in fact has a terrible flight safety record, which reflects a very sub-standard air safety culture and, worse, no apparent recognition of the urgent need to change that on the part of the authorities. exit328's post is germane.

[@JoeOvercoat]

@@markr.1984If you stop and think, you’d realize that flying into a difficult landing is going to distract you from flying the aircraft. I hope that clears that up for you.

[@andrewmole745]

Airports in mountainous terrain are always difficult, and it is not unexpected that there may be more accidents. That is why some places can’t have airports.

[@frankreynolds9930]

You probably went to old airport which is much smaller and has like cliff at end. This airport is much bigger that can handle jets.

[@billwilliams7970]

I think another reason PF may not have noticed the decel from the props going to feather is because there likely was one, but there would have been with the flaps going to 30° as well so it would have been an expected deceleration. RIP to all those involved!

[@Tom_Hadler]

Good point. Although in my experience flaps noticeably pitch the nose down, whereas a reduction of thrust I'd imagine might be more gradual?

[@donaldwilson5693]

I have about 4500 hours on that aircraft. When you select flaps 30, the acft immediately wants to pitch up and you have to anticipate immediately pushing down on the control yoke and retrimming, or the acft will easily balloon up 50ft. It's surprising that the flying pilot didn't notice that. Also, at that point in the approach and descending they probably were carrying about 25% torque. Feathering the props should have produced a sinking feeling(no pun intended). I'm surprised they didn't notice that either. You stand a much better chance of surviving if you glide to a crash versus stalling to a crash.

[@ElsinoreRacer]

Yea, my 1st thought when PIC called for flaps and none came. HOW do you not feel that in the stick/yoke? You push against it as it comes in, then reach for the trim until you get what you want (I like to always be pulling just a little, for feel). I don't fly airliners, but that is the rhythm of anything with flaps. If none of it happens, how do you not notice? To your point on feathering the props (and this applies to flap deployment), I would add the auditory cues. You would know better, and I have never flown anything with a fully feathering prop, but the audio signature of radical prop pitch changes is unique and hard to not notice. Not to mention that the trim change to prop feathering (cutting thrust), would be a nose down. I am guessing, but given the thrust line being so high, the trim change of feathering could not be mistaken for the trim change of flap extension. The scary part is that they were both accomplished pilots and would be thinking all the same things if they watched this video of other pilots. Not sure what lesson that is.

[@donaldwilson5693]

@@ElsinoreRacer I had an uncommanded auto-feather during climb out once and, due to the fact that you're moving through the air, the sound is hardly noticeable compared to how feathering the props sounds when you're on the ground. You get a definite pitch down which will require pulling back on the yoke and trimming up.

[@ElsinoreRacer]

@@donaldwilson5693 So she called for flaps and instead got a nose down trim change. Maybe she sensed something, but didn't want to seem discombobulated to someone assessing her. At the end of the day, it was the check pilot who stall/spun it. TY for your response.

[@donaldwilson5693]

@@ElsinoreRacer I missed her getting the nose down trim in the video(?). It said the autopilot was off so not sure why that happened(?).

[@warren5699]

"You stand a much better chance of surviving if you glide to a crash versus stalling to a crash." Yes That's another key piloting point. If you have a thrust problem, that still should not result in a stall. It means you lower the nose to maintain airspeed. You may not land on the runway but at least you won't fall out of the sky.

[@matszz]

I've seen cases where the pilots realize their mistake just after it's too late to fix, and these pilots who never learned what the problem was at all. I don't know which is more sad.

[@Fenncer24]

There was a Mayday episode that is almost just like this one where the pilot and copilot were to busy trying to figure where they going to land. The copilot had put the flaps down for their approach but forgot when they were heading straight for a mountain. Crashed and killed all but 4 passangers. Had the copilot remembered setting the flaps and retracted them they would have cleared the mountain with 100 feet altitude to spare and all would be fine. Just shows it happens to even those with experience.

[@zig_ziggy]

I've flown in ATR's a number of times as a passenger. Any large change to the propeller pitch is pretty noticeable, both from an abrupt change in engine noise and a jolt in forward movement.

[@AshorneinAotearoa]

My hometown airport only has A320's and ATR 72's. I try to avoid the ATR's. But agree, there appears, to me, to be quite noticable noises and feelings at different stages of the flight. Surely experienced pilots can tell????

[@68orangecrate26]

The instructor was used to sitting in the other seat. Reaching for the wrong knobs/switches/levers is a common threat in this situation.

[@captainlegs1]

astute and honest observation.

[@RobertVaughn-z1i]

If you are a check airmen and do this on a regular basis there is no excuse. This is what you are certified and paid to do. No, it should never happen. The new Capt. should have had much more situational awareness. Can you imagine as a new Capt. she flies with a new F/O and he is struggling?

[@68orangecrate26]

@@RobertVaughn-z1i Yeah… That’s called “armchair quarterbacking”. It goes to show that the most experienced of us can make the most crucial of errors. If you don’t believe that, you shouldn’t be a pilot, much less, a check pilot.

[@RobertVaughn-z1i]

@@68orangecrate26 Sorry but I disagree. At most airlines this lack of situational awareness would have been addressed during the sim sessions. The Check airman IS the PIC so he was responsible for the safety of the flight. I don't see how its possible to select FEATHERING the freckin' engines instead of lowering the flaps. You must be kidding me! And no one noticed? Even a check airman? No way. Major F' up!

[@68orangecrate26]

@@RobertVaughn-z1i This will probably become a cornerstone case in the study of human factors relating to aviation safety. I stand on my contention that it could, and did, happen to two very competent pilots. And, that any of us could have fallen victim to it. I’m willing to bet that there’s a good chance that you, nor I, would’ve passed this test under the exact same circumstances.

[@Mr.Robert1]

Lack of communication between the pilot and the co-pilot. One of the biggest mistakes.

[@Boodieman72]

Very poor CRM. After watching many crash investigations I have to wonder if the pilots are 100% at fault or if its a larger company wide issue of poor training and the ATR checklist not accounting for all items.

[@kapteklanning]

Subpar training and subpar standards.

[@kamakaziozzie3038]

@@kapteklanning that all = subpar pilots

[@Tom_Hadler]

Tbe checklist says land on main gear and lower nose wheel. As if that needs to be said. But it does not mention checking configuration of flaps and propellers for example. Stupid. No wonder theres so many ATR-72 crashes

[@stickynorth]

This is one of the most heartbreaking crashes in recent memory not only for the tragic backstory but also because it was so needlessly simple to fix but with time pressures and a fixation to land there really was no other course of action. Also sadder is that the crash was livestreamed by passengers and the video is the most chilling thing I have seen and heard yet... RIP to all those aboard...

[@drewintampa]

Thank you. I'm new to your channel. Flight attendant with Delta. I saw the video that was taken inside of the aircraft by a passenger. It all happens in the blink of an eye. They were only aware for just a moment before impact. They were so close to the ground that I am surprised not one person survived. It believe it's because the plane may have been in a nose down direction, inverted. Really sad.

[@robgibson3449]

Someone was alive after impact. In the video taken by a passenger, a man can faintly be heard saying "I'm burning" just after the crash. It's impossible to hear on a phone or a laptop, but it's not very hard to hear on decent speakers, especially if you listen a few times. Just after the sound of an engine(?) spooling down (also not audible over a phone), the man's voice can be heard. I'm guessing that most people saw the crash video on their phones and couldn't hear it. Sorry, not trying to be morbid. Voice is at 1:11 in video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnmqkH16ndSXiJY

[@mangos2888]

​@@robgibson3449 Jesus 😢

[@thecoondog56]

you can understand why it rolled over ,.it lost lift into the turn having lost speed and the engines at max

[@howard5992]

@@robgibson3449 I won't watch, but thank you for the link.

[@phattjohnson]

@@robgibson3449 I don't think you can hear anyone in that video after the impact sorry mate.. just engines spooling down and all kinds of waveform clipping tricking your ears. Besides, I don't think English is the first language of anyone on that aircraft.

[@glamdolly30]

When this tragedy occurred the response from many was inevitably along the lines of 'women drivers', blaming the female pilot for the disaster just because of her sex. But in fact the mistakes which directly led to tragedy were from the male pilot monitoring. Or rather, not monitoring, as he should have done. It's terrifying how fast a plane can go from flying perfectly without incident, to an unrecoverable, out of control descent - some times in literally seconds. Thoughts and prayers for the poor kids who lost both parents to aviation disasters.

[@leotyo1635]

These videos are excellent. Straight to the point with lots of detail and pertinent commentary - and no balogna - keep it up!

[@leanbean8376]

Sadly after realizing that you're going into a stall at that altitude, surrounded by high terrain it's bye bye babies!😢...i.e.,all passengers knew it!😢...

[@Mesotheliomasettlements]

So sad seeing the live stream footage of this tragedy. How fast things can go wrong.

[@lynskyrd]

so when he finally DID move the flaps to 30º - he essentially exasperated the problem because there was no propeller torque --- assuming of course, that was the actual sequence of events, and he did in fact initially changed the propellers angle and not the flaps angle.

[@eileenflannigan709]

*exacerbated the problem

[@krautyvonlederhosen]

@@eileenflannigan709 good point, but I believe by this time the aircraft did become exasperated and refused to fly any longer being piloted by such boneheads.

[@howard5992]

@@krautyvonlederhosen protest crash

[@jieliang8945]

Thanks a lot for the excellent analysis on the crash. RIP all the people onboard.

[@Danger_mouse]

Thanks for the video. What a terrible tragedy for all concerned. I find it amazing that there is no warning for both props being feathered in flight, especially when full power is requested via the throttles. Surely there would be no reason to request this set-up in flight under any normal condition...

[@BillB33525]

Agree, there should be a verbal call out "invalid configuration Props feathered" continuously until fixed.

[@coolramone]

Props should not be able to feather at full power and rpm.

[@Danger_mouse]

@@coolramone Exactly

[@benpratt4681]

@@coolramone However at approach power settings...

[@oahuhawaii2141]

I thought there was an alarm that they shut off, so they missed that warning to reassess their situation.

[@IPASAustralia]

As a RW and FW pilot, ex military, and a CRM / Human Factors facilitator and author, I think your analysis and comments are spot on! Thanks for posting.

[@Redridge07]

RW - Real world, FW - fake world?

[@IPASAustralia]

@@Redridge07 Rotary wing (ie helicopter) and Fixed Wing (ie airplane). I fly both types commercially. I'm assuming it was a legitimate question and not a trolling question.

[@TheFox808]

Thanks for breaking this down, hopefully we can all learn from this so it doesn't happen again

[@bragiodinsen4604]

absolutely grim that there are people like this flying us around. im not a pilot but this stuff sounds like basics.

[@HyperionTwo]

Its crazy to me that MOST of the time there is a fatal crash its because of the most obvious, stupid thing that should never have happened. The ineptness of both pilots here, especially the monitoring pilot, is pretty high up there.

[@AaronKraftCreative]

Just wait, with woke airlines adopting aggressive affirmative action policies toward hiring pilots and mechanics, I predict we are going to see a steady increase in these types of accidents. Meritocracy is the only policy that should be considered when it comes to hiring anybody for any job, but especially highly specialized jobs where people's lives are at stake!

[@garybulwinkle82]

You get the feeling he was trying to do her job too, like he was protecting her from making a mistake! So many men are white knights thinking they need to protect women from the world. In this case it backfired; he should have been focused on doing his job!!! Possibly she showed symptoms of incompetence, but the proper response would have been to notify others.

[@jsbzoh6]

Ultimately any issue like this comes down to the human aspect. We make mistakes, we get complacent, we get into a fight with our significant other before work and we’re distracted, our ego supersedes our training, we get away with our mistakes and they become bad habits. Even in the event of mechanical failures, it comes down to a missing bolt or fudged maintenance, a software error, and everything in between. Maybe our child has an accident and is rushed to the hospital and we’re distracted, in this case a real example that caused the deaths of two tourists because a tugboat pushed a barge into an amphibious vehicle doing tours. The tour boat radioed to the tugboat but the driver turned the radio off because it was distracting him from his call. He was using a laptop in the lower bridge looking up information about his child’s injury instead of being up in the higher bridge so he could see over the barge. He didn’t tell anyone the ongoing issue with his child. On the tour boat side, during maintenance a coolant overflow tank cap wasn’t re-installed properly and the driver mistook the steam coming from it as an engine fire and shut off the engine, leaving them dead in the water directly in the path of other vessels. The other tour employee was supposed to stand watch but was on their phone instead. I’m certainly not defending the pilots in this or any other case that results in loss of innocent lives but think about how many potential mistakes you made just driving into work today. If I were to have an independent party review my commute objectively, I’m positive they would come up with a decent sized list of mistakes and things that I could improve. We can all agree that there’s a larger margin for error when you’re on the ground, too.

[@68fmj51]

I have to admit I don't know anything about flying, other than I'm scared to death of it, or why this channel popped up on my YT feed, but you do an excellent job of explaining things where even a non-pilot can understand.

[@WayneTheSeine]

Same here....and this is why.

[@reeorchids]

Same here, I am terrified of flying on a plane… And strangely YT pops such kind of videos on my feed!!! Well I do have a choice of not watching them, but I watch and get more terrified 🤦🏻‍♀️ Rest in Peace to all the souls on this plane🙏🏼

[@Sashazur]

@@reeorchidssomeone else who hates flying commented that these videos helps them because it shows how the aviation industry always strives for maximum safety.

[@reeorchids]

@@Sashazur I totally agree that Aviation safety standards have exponentially improved over the years, but accidents do happen, not necessarily because of the Aircraft, but other factors.. in those one off cases passengers become the collateral damage. My fear stems from all those factors as well. I do want to get over this fear somehow😣

[@sunspots6077]

I have limited flight experience from decades ago.....It seems impossible to me that experienced pilots would make this series of errors and neither one caught it WOW!

[@canlib]

There's 2 videos of this crash online, one from inside the plane as a passenger was live streaming starting about 10 seconds before hitting the ground, and one from the outside as a resident was filming on his porch from which the thumbnail was taken. Amazing that the plane in level flight on normal approach suddenly banks hard left and nosedives down, and that the passenger's video even survived the crash and flames.

[@Sashazur]

If the passenger was live streaming, it’s possible the video was recorded by someone viewing the stream, and not recovered from the passenger’s phone.

[@totem168]

Thank you for the video and explanation. We need this kinda video to ensure it will no next time this will happen again. Humans should learn from their mistakes.

[@MWTGoldenGun]

Too bad it keeps happening. Pilots rush during engine failures and feather the wrong prop causing crashes. All these planes are designed to be able to climb on one engine, so there should never be a huge rush to whip through the engine out procedure without verifying everything that you are doing.

[@endtimeawakening5557]

Prayers to all those involved in this terrible accident! This shows how critical each pilot's role is when operating the aircraft, nomatter which role. Even the best of the best can make mistakes and sometimes these mistakes have incredible consequences, affecting countless others in so many ways.

[@jupitorious7925]

Praying 🙏🙏🙏 yeah this works !!

[@endtimeawakening5557]

@jupitorious7925 So true, my brother/sister in Christ! I'm learning more about who we Truly are, and it goes way beyond this mortal flesh that ages and dies. We are Spiritual in our core, eternal beings made in our Maker's image and likeness. We're all children of our wonderful Father and Maker, but most, including myself, didn't realize this until much later in life. The young people that come into this understanding will live incredible lives, free from blindness and darkness! God bless you "jupitorious7925!" ❤️ 🙏❤️

[@jameswikstrom4174]

Great analyses of the Yeti crash. I believe you have put the pieces of the puzzle together correctly. When the pilot flying calls for more power and none is generated, your assumption that the props had been featured is right on target. When landing there is very little margin for error especially in mountainous terrain. This is a tragic accident that could possibly have been prevented if the PM had noticed that the props had been feathered . Would a recovery have been possible? It’s hard to predict.

[@thedahlins]

Thank you! I think most of us, even when we're sitting far back in the economy seats of a commercial airliner, are sensitive to the changes in thrust, the application of flaps and the sound and feel of the landing gear going down. Even alert non-pilots are anticipating these events. I suspect there were simply not the in-depth pilot debriefs happening as Hoover has described among military pilots.

[@jamesmorgan34]

It's difficult to believe that two experienced pilots could make that many mistakes in sequence, leading to the deaths of so many.

[@o0o-jd-o0o95]

There's a couple aviation accidents that occur where the pilots basically forget to fly the plane properly because they're fixated on something else. I think in one of the accidents they were fixated on a not working light bulb

[@glenncooper3524]

This is very sad. It emphasizes how quick things can go from good to bad to dead. Very quick, very sad.

[@LTVoyager]

I have to admit that this just completely baffles me. I have only flown light aircraft up to a C-182, but I have flown in several different business jets, commuter turboprops and airliners during my career and I notice every configuration change. It is simply alien to me how you could not notice feathering of the props. Prop pitch changes cause changes in sound, vibration and acceleration. Missing of these clues just baffles me, even if you never looked at the gauges. And if you are low and slow and not sure what is going on, it is “balls to the wall” as the WWII pilots used to say and then figure out later what the problem is.

[@ClarkKent71]

I have flown as a passenger on Yeti Airlines from Kathmandu to Tenzing-Hillary Airport (Lukla). I sat directly behind the pilots and filmed the landing. I also have footage of the planes flying into the airport from the hill in front of the runway.

[@peterhall6656]

I can pick a change in engine note when I change the oil in my car but these two never noticed that both engines were feathered. That is amazing and difficult to comprehend but it happened.

[@kt420ish]

Idk why but I've been addicted to these videos. I never really knew how intense it was to fly an aircraft. Much respect to pilots

[@earl81ful]

Good vid! I agree with your assessment. Lots of holes lining up here…

[@JustMe00257]

You're doing a fine job at analysing and using your pilot experience to relate to the situation.

[@robb8773]

Amazing, how an Instructor Pilot with so many hours can make such a mistake....just goes to show that we are all human and even the best of us fail at some point, sad!

[@Dirk80241]

So sad that the pilot monitoring probably messed up big time. So many lives lost, including this female pilot whose children already lost their father and are now orphans.

[@anthonydowling8316]

Excellent debrief. Very often the most dangerous crew mix is instructor and captain/PIC. Looks like basic CRM goes out the window. One of your best videos. Keep them coming. Your debriefs will most save somebody’s life someday.

[@lizardfirefighter110]

How could you not check all factors that control power output when you realize the throttles seem to be ineffective. I think the Captain relied too much on her copilot. She deferred her thinking to the “Old Salt”. Later he was too embarrassed to admit that he fucked up on the flaps, when he finally corrected his mistake. But worse, he had moved something, if it wasn’t the flaps - what could it have been? 😳 Oh yikes I feathered the props, when I first thought I set the flaps at 30. 😱 “Well, now I have to fix it, and when I do she will realize I screwed up….”Well, when the Captain complains several time that there is inadequate power, you never try to make a turn. She asked, knowing the answer, but deferred to the Old Salt, who must have had an intimidating ego! “Should I continue the turn ?” Think about it, he tells her to continue the turn with low power output - fucking never to change the propeller settings that he had changed. She had know idea she was sitting next to an egomaniac - that believed he was above making deadly mistakes. She ( the Captain) would have done just fine without having a clown for a copilot!

[@captainlegs1]

Totally agreed. As stated in my earlier comment, this was TOTALLY on Capt KC as the supervising capt.

[@Frip36]

"She asked, knowing the answer, but deferred to the Old Salt, who must have had an intimidating ego!" So you're saying she was too submissive.

[@lizardfirefighter110]

@@Frip36 I guess so!

[@ellobo1326]

BOTH are responsible. It was as simple as glancing at an instrument and down at a lever. 3 seconds total.

[@Frip36]

@@ellobo1326 Most everyone says both are responsible. That's easy. You act like you've figured out the great mystery of the universe. Now try and figure out who was MOST responsible. Please, help. We need your giant brain.

[@erintyres3609]

If I was going to fly that kind of plane, I would want a clear warning to appear when both props have been feathered. That "master caution chime" ought to have a message!

[@greghanson5696]

Excellent presentation! Clear concise and to the point.

[@webpilot71]

As usual, you have presented a well-reasoned and logical analysis. Hopefully this can help prevent a similar tragic situation in the future.

[@AlTheEngineer]

I'm always scared of dinosaurs at any job, especially in aviation ... we think that "super" seniors must be great at their job due to their experience level ... but its really not always true ... to me personally, it doesn't really mean much to have 22,000+ hours on an aircraft if your foundation / training is flawed to begin with. It is clear to me that pilot KC neglected his duties as the pilot monitoring. It is also clear to me that he probably never received any corrective action from his employer and or training to fix his bad habits. I can't stress this enough, if you're in ANY position of power and you have control over people's lives, you owe it to yourself to be the best possible version of yourself ... sadly folks get too comfortable and complacent.

[@theaccountant5133]

Unfortunately, COMPLACENCY KILLS

[@AlTheEngineer]

@@theaccountant5133 100%

[@breadtoasted2269]

Your talking to a brick wall

[@AlTheEngineer]

@@breadtoasted2269 you're probably right. It's still better to type out an opinion than not.

[@lajos76nagy]

Software engineer speaking here. Obviously, I know nothing about aviation but I do know something about designing complex systems and the importance of providing feedback for dangerous operations. It seems to me that 'feathering' the propeller blades should be a pretty rare occurrence, never undertaken under normal flight conditions: you're basically cutting off power. You know, the thing THAT KEEPS YOU IN THE AIR. Having said that, I'm AMAZED that the designers of the cockpit instruments provided ZERO audible (or GLARING visual) feedback when you just 'feathered' your engines! I mean, I'd put a blinking red sign at eye level that says: DUDE, you've turned off your propulsion!!! (In case you're wondering, yes, I'd add button next to it to turn off the blinking red sign in case you really INTENDED the action.) This wasn't a pilot error. This was a User Interface Design error.

[@richcarrCCC]

Aside from my differing with you on your final statement "...wasn't pilot error..." I agree with you wholeheartedly and thought much of the same after watching the video above some months ago.

[@blaises1748]

The UI literally had a MASTER CAUTION when this was performed. There is audio and visual signal and is at the very top of the panel so it is clear view and audible to pilots. You can't miss it - they both ignored it as they were so fixated on the visual approach to the new runway. There was a PF/PM failure. There was no pilot monitoring. However, great comment - software UX is very similar in design to what you're used to, and in design of these systems (my profession) you consider these very scenarios. But fully feathered props is something you *would* do in an emergency scenario, so you must allow pilots to select it.

[@FrancSchiphorst]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoLWhXtjg7-sgNk The alarm UI of a boing.

[@FrancSchiphorst]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3qoaoiojN9_qa8 and this is the ATR-72 UI :D

[@truefunksoul8638]

It was very clearly and obviously pilot error, no matter what you say about the design :/

[@Mr2pint]

I like what she did with the life insurance payout - what a tragic end 🎉

[@elizabethdacosta5601]

Mr2pint: what did she do with the life insurance payout? I didn’t hear or read in the description what she did with it?

[@johnmarshall4399]

She used his money for that. My god

[@barbaraclarke9299]

I hope she had insurance to leave for the children.

[@Mr2pint]

​@@elizabethdacosta5601Her husband crashed and died, his life insurance was spent on her learning to fly - first minute into the video 🛫

[@herkko61]

@@barbaraclarke9299 Yes, so that they can become pilots too.

[@youcantshimshamthezimmzamm5712]

I saw a video covering this once filled with comments saying this is why women shouldn’t fly planes. Although I could tell most of the comments were there to just incite hate back cause most of them had a comical sort of tone to them, I’m glad people here aren’t bringing that into discussion as a factor, that’s a good aviation community!

[@John.Christopher]

Great work! Love to hear your expertise!

[@pilot-debrief]

Thanks!

[@mikewood1566]

You do an excellent job breaking down mishaps. Thank you.

[@kmg501]

I'm not a pilot and I know next to nothing but from what I am hearing here is that the pilot assisting kept failing to do his particular job and allowed himself to be distracted by looking outside of the craft. Please correct me if I'm wrong in what I am hearing.

[@pilot-debrief]

Yes, the Captain in the right seat was the pilot monitoring but my analysis is that he wasn’t monitoring the instruments and perform his duties that well because he was too focused on looking outside.

[@kmg501]

@@pilot-debrief It brings a number of questions to mind as to why he behaved this way considering the personal hours he had already accumulated. But I won't be coy, I'm assuming that he had trust and control issues or at bare minimum a surprising lack of training in job focus when not acting as the first pilot. People must fulfill their role to be a reliable teammate.

[@TheFrenchPug]

​@kmg501 That makes good sense. Too used to being the one given the commands and getting the responses. Buy in the supporting role, may have relaxed and thought he was doing his job.

[@HontasFarmer80]

@@kmg501 Overconfidence can be a thing. I remember the story of a KLM jet crash with another plane on the ground ... one of the issues was with a VERY experienced pilot who was sure they would not hit eachother and miscalculated.

[@MoneyStrategiesSOULutions]

​@@kmg501and the men in that culture don't like to take commands from women. Many has mentioned it who's from there.

[@Phantom1963]

My buddy and I went in together on a 1972 Cessna 172....we totally rebuilt the engine and upgraded the instrument panel. We love to get really stoned and go up with a fifth of Jack... neither of us have a license to fly but I grew up in a crop duster so I'm a better pilot than most. I love cutting throttle and dropping 1000 feet in a few seconds and causing my buddy to throw up.😂

[@FrostyBob99]

Party on! 🎉🎉🎉

[@rc70ys]

Incompetence at its best !!

[@javacup912]

Great video. Indeed both tragic and 100% preventable. So sad for a hard working lady to beat the odds and become a pilot for the same airline that her husband, father and mother all died in previous crashes. Definitely heartbreaking. Hope it never happens again, period.

[@rwsmith7638]

Seems like the pilot monitoring did a poor job and crashed them.

[@robertdragoff6909]

Clearly pilot error, they changed the wrong setting which caused the accident. But as sad as the loss of both passengers and crew, it’s even sadder for the Lady Captain to die after loosing her husband in a crash.

[@FrankDaBank25]

Its crazy how countless hours of training can fail two people so badly. They needed to communicate better but instead they split focus and killed everyone on board. Sad.

[@232K7]

I wonder what’d have happened if she hadn’t handed over the controls, with her experience she definitely knew exactly what to do, to roll out and glide, instead the transfer of controls means the other now-startled captain basically got hot-potatoed a loss of thrust in a base-to-final turn, which statistically is one of the worst situations you can be in .

[@stumpjumper1dc]

I just found your channel. You earned my subscription. I like your style. Straight forward, fact filled and to the point. Well done.

[@billgateskilledmyuncle23]

Imagine being a kid who lost both parents, each one to a separate plane crash.

[@XY_Dude]

I know - we are all Monday quarterbacks... But - Typcial flight deck protocol is when an action is done, reaction is checked on the instruments. I recall there is actually a flap position indicator that confirms they depoyed. Other actions are panel confirmed. Sometimes actions are not properly performed by the aircraft!

[@johnwoodall3791]

I have been in The Cockpit of an ATR Turbo Prop being an ATR 72-5000 I believe. Your right about the Levers for the Propellers in terms of placement for the Feathering of such. Looking at the Footage Many Times I see an Aircraft for all Intents looking Okay for a Landing, Forward Momentum was Good, Main Flap position is one I can't provide details on as I couldn't see them Although my thoughts are that they were Partially Deployed coming in to Land at this Airport. For mine it seemed apparent Straight Away that something went Terribly Wrong, Forward Speed seemed to Wash Off Very Quickly and the Aircraft Veered Left. To me I made an assumption back then that the Prop. Selector had been used and the Props. Feathered for an Aircraft to Wash Off so much speed so quickly. Their was Very Little Time to Correct the Issues given height above ground. Sad but that is what I would say happened as well. Regards

[@johnwoodall3791]

Sorry spelling was so Appalling. Like I said spending 12 Years on C130J and P3C leaves you with a pretty good idea with what goes on especially as Aircraft Commander, Now Recently Retired from an Airline having Flown 747, 777, A330 and A380and a few others, Rank was Captains the It's been a Blast but

[@crew-dog2668]

Great job on the video. - I find it simply amazing how many times we watch these videos (on other channels as well) and the pilots do not react or speak when the master caution alarm goes off.

[@Ataraxia_Atom]

From the outside looking in with 20/20 hindsight, it seems like the pilot monitoring should have recognized the issue when he moved the flaps to 30, and likely doomed all of those people

[@sludge8506]

Wow, why don’t you go to work at the ntsb??

[@GBEdmonds-j1i]

I just can't wrap my head around being that experienced and that incompetent at the same time. How does one lose situational awareness with 72 lives in your hands and to be so hopelessly lost? I apologize. I just can't.

[@matthewscoresby3714]

“Worst Aviation Disaster in 30 Years” 👀

[@psiturbo]

He has made adjustments since then...

[@bob81449]

Unbelievable is the correct term here. How two experienced pilots could miss the props feathered for almost a minute prior to impact is truly unbelievable (time based on CVR noises). I remember thinking, it must be something else, but it wasn't. What a waste of lives. RIP

[@Dilley_G45]

Why do some sources say the woman was a Captain and some say she was on her final ride before becoming a Captain?

[@fglatzel]

In an Airplane, the pilot sits on the left and in helicopters on the right. Maybe that's what confused you. Khatiwada was not a captain yet, but was supposed to become one after this flight.

[@simont1108]

If the engines are functioning normally and the aircraft is not stationary on the ground how does the safety system allow the propellers to be moved to a zero thrust position without a lockout or at minimum a seriously loud AND visual warning? The pilot monitoring was not just monitoring the aircraft position and instruments but had the divided distraction of monitoring the Captains first landing at an unfamiliar airport. I know the designers can't pre-empt every scenario but it's happened once so it could happen again. Safety system upgrade required? A terrible loss of lives.

[@a300guy]

Two Captains flying together… a known danger.

[@billybud9557]

I have felt more stress as the pilot monitoring than I ever have as PIC......there can be a high work load when landing.........but this one is still baffling...RIP

[@brinkee7674]

A major problem in countries like these is hierarchy and the role of women. They have addressed this but it takes more than addressing it, it takes a change in culture. Something was up with the captain/instructing pilot, whether it be medical or mental. Mistakes like these should not be made. The changes made to configuration and requested changes should be easily noticeable without even looking. Many times due to culture the younger pilot in training and being a female may be hesitant to speak up. My lord the plane is crashing and both of them just ride it into the ground. I can see the pilot flying may have become task saturated and fully involved being a new airport but Capt Kamal KC should of realized what was happening. Nepal now wants to erect a statue in his honor and this crash was totally his fault. Crashes and near crashes like this are happening far to often. I just wonder if this is due to lack of training or over working individuals. I feel due to auto pilot flying much of the trips some pilots become to lax and lose attention. Just think, how much does a pilot with say 10,000 hours really fly the plane? Maybe say 750 hours spread over a pretty good amount of time. Now with a plane like this the auto pilot and airport system might not be as advanced as some others but it is still a pretty limited time

[@rfwillett2424]

it's not just a problem for female pilots. To many incidents have been caused by junior male pilots not being prepared to pull up senior male pilots. This was a big problem in the west up to the eighties when Crew Resource Management was brought in. In some countries CRM can still be in conflict with local culture.

[@OrcCorp]

Once again, a tragic loss of life due to incompetence. No excuses. The PM was simply not up to his job. At least that's the indication with this information. The only way to prevent this is constant training (skills and mindset), and keeping up with the basics, forced by the airlines.

[@Cunningham0905]

Not to take away from this tragedy, but can someone please explain to me how this is the WORST aviation disaster in 30 years? Just off of the top of my head I think of 9/11, the two Boeing Max plane crashes, the Malaysian Airline incident, the American Airlines flight that crashed in November of 2001, Air France, the Ukraine flight, etc... Please tell me how this one is worse than those.

[@brucelawson642]

Perhaps they are talking about this area.

[@tony711fz1]

Hyperbole ha

[@Zen-mo4ue]

0:06 “in Nepal” lol

[@ninedaysjane2466]

Please pay attention.

[@hayleydanhirschfeld4862]

Click bait

[@geoffreylee5199]

Having seen two video versions of this crash, thank you for this sober presentation.

[@collin6238]

There is no way passengers should have been on a pilot familiarisation flight which is basically a test flight that was a bad call

[@CraigGood]

These flights only ever happen with passengers, and there's nothing inherently dangerous about them.

[@kendallevans4079]

@@CraigGood Tell that to the dead passengers! Oh, you can't! This incident proves you're wrong!

[@CraigGood]

@@kendallevans4079 This accident doesn't prove that airlines do their training in any specific way. They use simulators and then the first time a pilot flies a real airliner it's with passengers -- and a check pilot.

[@kendallevans4079]

@@CraigGood Sounds crazy! If they want the weight, use sandbags.

[@CraigGood]

@@kendallevans4079 It's not at all crazy, and the weight has nothing to do with it.

[@falcon127]

PILOT ERROR

[@davidaronson9475]

So many ways to crash a plane. It just takes enough stupidity and boom.

[@calebwilliams7659]

Ok confess, how many of us did a spit take when we heard "high quality of Chinese engineering"? 🤣

[@andrewdavies3584]

Nothing wrong with Chinese quality. If you buy cheap anywhere, you get what they offer in that budget.

[@calebwilliams7659]

@@andrewdavies3584 anything Chinese is cheap that's why I say absolutely everything they build is complete crap

[@stevengill1736]

​​@@andrewdavies3584 True - they're known for Temu - type of junk, but they can make quality gear for sure..... it's unfortunate that they're having so many problems these days. Everyone is economically stressed these days, not just the US. I don't envy people trying to run a good manufacturing concern anywhere right now - what a mess. Still, it could be a lot worse!

[@wwill182]

🤦🤦

[@777Maranatha]

@@andrewdavies3584 Wrong!!!