OPERATION: "Throat Camera". Will Ramos of Lorna Shore scoped while he performs harsh vocals!

Will Ramos + The Charismatic Voice + Doctors & Cameras = EPIC RESEARCH OPPORTUNITIES!
We brought Will Ramos out to Utah to find out physiologically what's happening in his larynx while he's making the deep gutterals, screamingly high goblins, tuvan throat singing and everything else in his repertoire.
Also, I did a course with Will Ramos and Chris Liepe where you can learn how to create harsh vocal sounds yourself! Check it here: www.mymusicalvoice.com/p/ulti...
Please Donate to the National Center for Voice and Speech (NCVS) to help fund projects like this one, and help disseminate the highest quality voice information to researchers and the public.
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Thank you to Dr. Ingo Titze and Dr. Amanda Stark for all the support given to this project, and the continued support to analyze and study what we found.
Thank you to Will Ramos and Lorna Shore for donating Will's body to science.
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Elizabeth Zharoff is an international opera singer and voice coach, with 3 degrees in voice, opera, and music production. She's performed in 18 languages throughout major venues in Europe, America, and Asia. Currently based somewhere between Los Angeles and Tucson, Arizona, Elizabeth spends her days researching voice, singing, teaching, writing music, and recording TONS. She also plays Diablo and Dungeons & Dragons.
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[@TheCharismaticVoice]

I did a course with Will Ramos and Chris Liepe where you can learn how to create harsh vocal sounds yourself! Check it here: www.mymusicalvoice.com/p/ultimate-extreme-will-ramos

[@Vevemusic]

Damn, it's sad that it's $298 or something. Would have love the possibility to buy the course I want

[@johnredbeard5074]

@Vevemusic it's a small price to pay if your serious about singing professionally 🤷

[@Hope...M]

I just found your channel and this was so fun to watch. Thank you Elizabeth, hubby and Friends. ❤❤❤

[@RobERob13]

This was absolutely incredible. The talent of Will was already mind-blowing and the collaboration was fantastic. Please please please can we get a retake of this exact video but get the slowmo guys and their super slow motion cameras in on the collaboration I think everyone would learn from it and would be extremely entertaining!!!

[@Hyster1aMcR]

Just an idea but I think you should do this with elite level beatboxers the sounds some of them make is insane and some of them have amazing inward bass there's an amazing beatboxer with the arguably the best inward bass on the planet called King Inertia and he's from the US I think it would make a brilliant video

[@MajaZaguan]

Will: screaming in the doctor's office Patients in the waiting room: 👀👀👀

[@asianguyimagicrenation]

Lol

[@laidtorest_rl5924]

underrated comment

[@adriansrnec4052]

XDDDDDD

[@whydoesthisexist4820]

LMAOOO

[@ScaredyGinge]

They're like... what the hell is about to happen to me? WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO HIM!

[@Dumpsterfoot]

Imagine being such a savage vocalist that even scientists are like okay what the fuck

[@dominickainling]

I think this comment won the internet

[@Dumpsterfoot]

Also they missed an awesome opportunity to call this “Operation Deepthroat”

[@Aszreal]

@@Dumpsterfoot wtf dude 😂

[@Amarus]

@@Dumpsterfoot LMFAOOO

[@mccroryshealthandfitness7242]

Bc normal ppl don’t yell like Thai

[@meganhausman1443]

Will: *demon sounds from the 100th layer of Hell* Also Will: you’re gonna see my boogies?? 🥺😩

[@joshlewis8860]

🤣

[@marylcampbell2409]

😂😂😂

[@kaydenhagg6924]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@ImGrimFPS]

"am I numb yet? are we there?" "yeah you're there" "HOW DO YOU KNOW?!" lmfao that killed me for some reason

[@siali8683]

Will speaking: adorable, chill, basically a golden retriever puppy Will screaming: a demon straight from hell

[@FONTIZZLE29]

Lol me

[@cindysteffens9254]

This comment nails it. ❤

[@ATSbassface]

But I love how when he's high energy and excited, his voice drops in and out of that rasp like its completely natural and second nature. Like the "that" @2:55

[@hermansuherman7601]

Agree...amazing vocals

[@mejsjalv]

I just listened to some of their stuff. Can't believe THAT's his real voice. I'm an old fart, so he sounds and looks like a kid to me. But I've been listening to extreme metal since the mid 90's. Pretty good stuff, makes me have hope for the new generations. By now extreme metal has developed very distinct vocal styles.

[@allysixx]

Will: *does an absolutely inhumane sound* Also Will: "cool"

[@Rachel_Nyx]

I love him he’s a goof 😂 “cool” so nonchalantly like he didn’t just do something absolutely amazing. I don’t think he realises the extent of how good he is.

[@ronniedasler]

Will: does an absolutely inhumane sound Scientists/Experts (prolly not into metal): AMAZING!!!

[@evacody1249]

He's not doing anything that long time death, black, doom, or symphonic metal bands have already been doing. Heck the band is not doing anything new. Blackend death metal had been around for ages. Winds of Plauge was doing what his band is doing. The list goes on. A number of these bands are very overrated for not breaking new ground. Meanwhile bands Fleashgod, Dark Tranquility, Mors, etc get little credit for the paths they paved.

[@allysixx]

@@evacody1249 and u got so pressed just because of my little comment lol

[@benjones2583]

@@evacody1249 let them funk dude Lorna shore are amazing, metal elitists 🙄

[@steelscarecrow8491]

Let's just take a moment to appreciate the fact that Will Ramos makes some of the most demonic sounds, the most hellish screams and yet has the personality of a happy labrador/golden retriever puppy that's just been rescued from a shelter.

[@AmplifyChris]

This is not rare in this category of music. Think of Alex Terrible from Slaughter to prevail. I honestly think music is really Therapie for this people.

[@2dopesick]

Why is everybody making the exact same comparison with the golden retriever? is this an ongoing comparison I just haven’t heard of or something?

[@dem0litionsss]

@@2dopesick yes

[@nicoleavery7238]

That’s most metal heads

[@US2A]

​@@AmplifyChris his is fuckin nuts

[@Alugio]

Came for the vocals stayed for the cooking show

[@kirkmccune7944]

Dawww, thank you!

[@courtneyurman]

​@kirkmccune7944 I loved when you showed Will the stainless steel sink trick for garlicky hands. I've been doing that for years. 😆

[@kasonglover1638]

@kirkmccune7944 is this episode zero of the charismatic cook? Because I’m in for it.

[@noahsan92]

"metal is satanic devil music" *will ramos running up to hug someone he's never met before and immediately complimenting their house*

[@yardy88]

One of the reasons I'm into metal is because metal heads are so lovely 😊

[@BriannaFJones]

I've found that metalheads and really alt people in general are so sweet and open with people. I think it's because if the judgement and bullying Alt people get for looking different that they are extra nice to other people. Love being a part of this community:)

[@Khylur_Getz]

Pretty sure Elizabeth got an AirBNB for this episode with Will visiting, but you're right, he is quite humble and friendly nonetheless.

[@jkh3959]

LMAOOOOOO

[@kaynze9653]

Literally is satanic lmao

[@zalienthere-visitor1424]

Will just shut down every person saying his vocals are fake. He pretty much showed flat earthers the world is round with this video. Amazing video.

[@wizardthreehats5370]

He has a one take video with no layering or double vocals out with him performing Hellfire. If that's not proof enough then people are just being assholes lol

[@Deimophobos]

They just need to see any live videos of him

[@Xaldin003]

Wait... people were saying that?

[@lungfulldrummer8921]

@@wizardthreehats5370 as much proof as the hellfire one take is. It's still a produced and compressed recording. So some average listeners are gonna take that as trickery of some sort.

[@threefreaksonaleash6619]

Well said

[@tiner317]

Showed this to my wife who is a SLP in Indianapolis, a few months back. One of the largest outpatient facilities in the state had pretty much every therapist huddled around her laptop watching this just incredibly amazed. This is actually important to capture, and I hope actual research comes from this.

[@goofballbiscuits3647]

This is research... done by the University of Utah.

[@cassandrachambliss3357]

@@goofballbiscuits3647 Please update when it’s published!

[@mikeallen5291]

got the 317 rep here lol

[@joannayannotti9076]

My 15 year old, who is just about COMPLETELY deaf, heard that tea kettle scream through my headphones!!

[@elvenafae]

I think my sleeping child is hearing it in his sleep because every time he does it he rolls lol

[@Glttrblvd]

Will Ramos : *screams repetitively in the doctor's room Other patients in the waiting room: (*chuckles) I'm in danger

[@insanityplea5502]

I had the same thought! Will: Noises Lobby sitters if this was a normal doctor's office with cheap ass walls: "Wtf, is that person okay? It is a human, right?"

[@matthiasdvs154]

😂

[@joergojschaefer3521]

Thank you to Will Ramos and Lorna Shore for donating Will's body to science. No vocal folds were injured during the making of this film

[@felicitydarhk2818]

nope, but those who listened were laid to waste :P lol

[@joergojschaefer3521]

@@felicitydarhk2818 So the last thing you hear is Will... and then only The Sound of Silence remains...👂👉😵‍💫

[@LEVRAN]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@davelowman3574]

He's definitely a once in a lifetime talent. Basically he could be in front of a lion or grizzly bear and produce sounds that would make the animals either be very confused or turn around and run away.

[@jean-m.v5502]

🐻BÄR/ LÖWE 🦁=😳 WENN SIE SCHREIEND DAVON LAUFEN, WIE KLEINE MÄDCHEN!!!!!!!!!😱😭AHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣

[@RandomActsOfRandom]

You might be thinking of Alex Terrible.

[@wildflower1397]

It would be fun to watch how a walrus reacts to him 😂

[@pskrynixxa9792]

Elizabeth’s face while Will is describing his techniques with immense curiosity not sure what she’s signing up for it’s me all over 🤣

[@downfallofmankind]

what I learned today: - some truly groundbreaking findings on the anatomy of extreme vocals - scrub hands against stainless steel to remove garlic odor

[@onearthonelegion]

I use stainless steel grater for maximum effect

[@dooflydetailguuy4349]

@@onearthonelegion efficient

[@darkmagicofhell]

LOL you too?

[@onepunchtocelebrate670]

@@onearthonelegion life hack - dlc + ultra edition

[@matthewtucker6347]

Works for onion too........

[@rumandbass]

Will is a human golden retriever. What a genuine, sincere, all around friendly demon.

[@TheAlphamale215]

Lmao that was so well put 😂

[@rotemeliaz]

As the great Nik Nocturnal once said, "He's like a golden retriever summoning Cthulhu"

[@PaniniHeadInc-rk9gr]

🤣🤣🤣🤣@@rotemeliaz

[@the.rosamaria]

😂😂 the end of this comment ‘demon’

[@echopisieczko7305]

The heavy screams just because he was excited about ping-pong killed me- the man is the human version of a pitbull puppy

[@jeffsmick2620]

This brought tears to my eyes. Dr. Amanda was clearly trying to hold back the emotion of the moment and focus on the science. It's incredible that you've been able to capture the moment when something truly novel was experienced. I'm so glad we all get to be a part of it.

[@NikNocturnal]

One of the best videos I've ever seen in my life! Not only game changing for vocalists everywhere, but metal musicians and the community as a whole. THANK YOU for doing this!

[@AndyNocturne]

Please do a vid on this

[@9292godsmack]

@@AndyNocturne he did it on twitch

[@demonfreak3637]

It was amazing watching him do this. I was just speechless at some points

[@Joose]

@@9292godsmack Yeah, but he requires you to be a paid subscriber to see it.

[@eliabaghbaniyan]

enrico from hideous divinity did it first years ago, and hes also got WAAAY better vocals just sayin..

[@Ass_Butter]

can we just appreciate how nice Will is?

[@ericgrundler9043]

Awesome and very cool, definitely chill....the kind of dude you just want to hang with

[@bongboozled]

Straight down to earth dude.

[@Ncaron531]

And cute :)

[@Anael272]

he's a golden retriever person, would love to be his friend :,)

[@Shinyworldwide]

no, we can't appreciate that

[@cas-cos]

I'm not the biggest on death metal screaming, but that was fascinating. And Will, what a cool dude. Thanks for giving us a different kind of show.

[@koblefra]

He isn't a death metal vocalist he's a deathcore vocalist

[@ryanhedge3587]

@@koblefraSame techniques though some different like pig squeals but overall very similar.I mean back in the days Deathcore was a mix of death metal and hardcore .

[@michaelll]

Man I feel like I'm watching an old MTV series. The way it was put together gives me that feeling.

[@TankTheTech]

This is gonna be one of the single most interesting things I think I'll ever watch from a reaction channel on KZbin. Cannot wait!

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Woot! It's SO GOOD Tank. I can't wait for your Tour video with Electric Callboy. ;-)

[@craigburney8045]

I agree. I’m a total nerd about the science stuff but to be able to see it while it is happening is awesome for sure.

[@joergojschaefer3521]

Early Elizabeth : I'm not very familiar with metal! Elizabeth now : Will Ramos, a camera and his neck... How do you create harsh vocals? Full Metal Elizabeth - Director's Cut -

[@th3n3wc4d]

Tank and Elizabeth are my favourite Friendship Duo on KZbin, y'all would make a great buddy cop style show

[@Imurai]

@@joergojschaefer3521 Full Metal Elizabeth Sounds badass! Put it on a shirt!

[@zachhamilton456]

I think after this, Elizabeth needs to be featured on a Lorna Shore song using her amazing operatic skills. I think having Will doing crazy gutterals and her doing crazy power would be unlike anyone else.

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

;-)

[@DestructionGlitter]

@@TheCharismaticVoice is that a hint???

[@eatgluedrnkpaint]

That would be sick. I want that song played at my funeral and I haven't even heard it yet

[@michaelanderson4849]

@@DestructionGlitter Oh I would say so! it was the mother of all hints. Consider how much they have used sampled choirs for the classical parts. Now they have access to the real deal. It would be a monumental crime not to use her.

[@maggie_galle7651]

@@TheCharismaticVoice i'll just take that as you saying "oh you wait and see!"

[@Kaylamity_slays]

This is so sick. Lorna Shore was the last concert i went to. I'm a classically trained opera and jazz singer myself so knowing what to look for but seeing a whole new world in a screamers throat is absolutely insane

[@douglassmithe9799]

Even for people who aren't into heavy metal music, this really seems like a fascinating vocal experiment. I get the feeling that future voice doctors and speech pathologists will watch this video in university lectures while studying the profession.

[@Krossmann52]

Totally shocked they didn't just see a demon sitting in a lawn chair when they scoped...

[@thedarkknight2424]

💀💀💀

[@HOOKS-n-NAILS]

Drinking a martini with a little umbrella!

[@XWoodbineX]

💀💀💀

[@tigerjohns0n]

Lmfaoooo

[@simonlecb2493]

😆😆😆😆

[@GeoffPlaysGuitar]

Came for the throat camera insights, stayed for the airbnb cooking and hangouts documentary. What a great and fun video!

[@patrickhill2861]

Honestly same

[@nxmad1153]

Now we need a DOOM-ified version of "To The Hellfire" by Lorna Shore

[@spacejunk8978]

Hey look it's the Doom guy 🌝

[@geoff3610]

Hello Geoff

[@IEchoesI]

100% this

[@madiCOB]

He literally has everything going for him, sweet, talented, nice, good looking and the hair, oh my dog, the hair ❤

[@theolympiyn8670]

His hair is beautiful. I truly wish to have it some day

[@BethanyGrey1]

Dr. Stark is incredibly passionate about her job and research and that is a lovely thing to witness, someone who truly loves what they do and follow their dreams.

[@v0idbandofficial]

I love the contrast between Will’s vocals and his personality. The music sounds like satan commissioned it from a few hellhounds, but Will is one of the most wholesome and kind people in the metal industry.

[@williamwells434]

He's utterly adorable oh my goodness

[@ainzaida477]

Ikr!!! I just know bout him couple of hours, but he is already absolute cute!!

[@johnstewart7642]

People don't realize that that's how a majority of the metal community is. No matter how evil the music may sound either because of lyrics or specifically sound itself, the artists are normally really laid back, goofy, or stoner, or whatever, or all of those things for some.

[@v0idbandofficial]

@@johnstewart7642 yeah, take Corpsegrinder for example. All the Cannibal Corpse songs are about death and destruction and gore and all that, then you see that video of Corpsegrinder going to target and laughing about a farting puppy toy and thinking about buying every Lego set, “especially the Lego marvel ones”

[@johnstewart7642]

@@v0idbandofficial yeah I love that video lmao it’s what I show to people who are afraid of all of it. A lot of the time they make the music to be edgy or just to get a reaction out of people, not because they’re actual psychos or satanist and mean it.

[@felixplantstrong2361]

Imagine your vocals are so insane, that even Scientists be like "da fug he is doing?!"

[@JokerInk-CustomBuilds]

Two decades ago they did the exact same thing with Steven Tyler and was over the moon about his rocking voice... 😄

[@eliabaghbaniyan]

his vocals suck lol, go check out enrico from hideous divinity he did it first lol

[@_thanakin]

Just say "fuck" 😂 "fug" is somehow worse

[@Veganerd_]

@@eliabaghbaniyan Uhm.. all the weird highs, goblin vocals and all sorts of crazy sounding gutterals or lows were pioneered by Travis Ryan from Cattle Decapitation. He's been doing it since the late 1990s.

[@eliabaghbaniyan]

@@Veganerd_ that's completely irrelevant... I'm saying Enrico did the first throat cam video as he is a professional throat doctor as his career lmfao, your argument makes no sense other than you trying to flex some irrelevant knowledge lmfaoo

[@mikeallen5291]

This is groundbreaking for all of us 'screamers'. It is absolutely so difficult to explain how we do what we do and this will give of us so much more perception of what is really happening other than, "it feels like i do this."

[@jacobturner9767]

What I love about metal/death artists is how nice they are. I absolutely love it

[@Beardus_Maximus]

Will Ramos, vocalist of one of the heaviest and scariest deathcore bands of the last decade. Also Will Ramos; *break dances after he gets a point in ping pong*

[@mannyblackstar]

Infant Annihilator

[@evolfreezer11]

Heavy vocalists in a nutshell 9 out of ten times!

[@groundedgameplayx]

@@mannyblackstar he reminds me a lot of Dickie Allen from Infant Annihilator, similar style

[@Marckus62]

You can literally see Dr. Amanda tearing up as she's talking at the end. Its so evident just how passionate she is about this field and how excited and overwhelmed with emotion she was to see something completely new after years in her field.

[@myunicornlovesmarilynmanso8800]

Will is the cutest baby ever! He must be protected at all cost! I love him so much!

[@nancyICUnurse]

What a sweetheart! He is not anything like I expected-good head on his shoulders, kind, respectful. This 52 year old mom has a total crush! His nativity is adorable, and he’s gonna have a long career!!! ❤️‍🔥😘🤩

[@grownads]

That’s how most of the metal community is. 🙂 Glad he managed to reach you!

[@allmight415]

Will Ramos is the Keanu Reeves of the Metal Community. Everybody loves him. Such a wholesome and humble human being

[@evacody1249]

🙄

[@avxy3632]

@@evacody1249 What kid?

[@failurehaus5979]

So epic and wholesome my wife and her boyfriend love it

[@noel189]

Fucking wack comparison

[@dudeudontknow341]

For real like he’s just a sweetheart.

[@bilson7523]

The more I watch Will, the more I like him. Dude is an absolute gem.

[@dougk359]

Unless I missed it he didn't curse a single time in this video. I found that pretty f'ing cool.

[@blaireeee344]

he seems super chill

[@Vedho]

I thought he was annoying and like snobby when I saw him and the way people talk him up, it he’s awesome

[@thefourthwritedjentleman3643]

@@dougk359 He did a couple of times, but no biggie He is such a lovely and funny guy who is super talented

[@ericgrundler9043]

I agree

[@forthelichkingsname]

Seeing Kirk and Will together, why does it looks like they are father and son? they don't look alike but the way they interact feels like a father-son moment. lmao

[@MommaOsoIrish67]

I kind of thought big brother -little brother vibe, but I've always thought that Elizabeth and Will have a sibling energy, too.

[@AnnRose142]

Just fell for Lorna about two weeks ago AFTER seeing them live in the Netherlands. Knew about 5 songs before I saw their set. I had 75 min constant goosebumps and went home as a fan. Dang his live vocals are not from this world. This was great! ❤

[@McFreedom_af]

Imagine being so good at vocals that you're better than 90% of the other guys even with a camera jammed down your throat...

[@guyknightley3499]

For real. I kind of want Alex Terrible to do this now. lol

[@bluetoothpasteman5022]

@@guyknightley3499 Same, Will seems to do mostly fry screams, I'd be interested in seeing what false cord looks like.

[@zynosgd9982]

I would like your comment but there are 666 likes and I don't want to ruin it.

[@Inkaddiction906]

​@@zynosgd9982670 now, go ahead

[@rofyle]

Will just permanently etched his name into medical books and physician's manuals everywhere. Future ENT's will be studying this video in medical school, and Will's name is literally going to appear on medical student's tests. Amazing. And can I also say, what an awesome attitude Will had to volunteer for the procedure in the first place.

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

We really hope so.

[@deed5811]

Future vocal scientists studying Lorna Shore - To the Hellfire yes!

[@DEATHrocket777]

Yup. Beat me to it.

[@snapdoc]

This is done all of the time to evaluate vocal cords. The procedure is no big deal at all.

[@weebsarecringe2102]

@Tyler Clark that's not what he ment tho. It's about how specific and outstanding his vocals and technique are. Might wanna think before you type 🤡

[@evosolutionsllc.910]

I still watch this every now and then because it's a real breakthrough in practical science in the world of music and vocal talent. I love how will woke up and choose to torture himself for the greater good of music and science. 👍

[@AlexGAlexG]

I would love to hear the story of how Will and Elizabeth became friends. It’s the unlikely combo the world didn’t know it needed ❤

[@widexawake_]

The Internet probably bullied Elizabeth into checking out Will, and the fact that Will is phenomenal piqued her curiosity, and the rest is history

[@jakeyxjakey1]

the fact that she said his throat looked healthy and within normal parameters is INSANE!

[@wanderingintheabyss]

I only just recently heard of Lorna Shore and listened to To the Hellfire and the first thought I had was hoping that he was singing in such a way that isn't damaging, and to find out it isn't is so cool!

[@forestrot666]

He definitely has a fluid range for sure. I always wondered what certain death metal leads throats look like.

[@exurosanctus]

Why is that insane? Harsh vocals won't damage anything if you have the correct technique.

[@a_lex801]

@@exurosanctus yes, but not many people actually know that.

[@dirg3music]

Tbh once you learn how to do gutturals correctly you can do it without any damage or hoarseness whatsoever. It's such a paradox, but it's true. Lol

[@conormccormack5913]

Timestamps for individual techniques: 27:58 falsetto singing, high to low slides 29:13 pig squeal vocal fry 30:10 pig squeal false chord 30:31 pig squeals with various tones (not sure if false chord or vocal fry) 31:30 lowest to highest gutterals 32:47 tea-kettle screams 34:28 tuvan throat singing 35:10 throat singing to normal scream 36:07 closed-mouths 36:41 hell sounds (?) 37:00 pitched goblins 37:50 unpitched goblins 38:05 fry tunnels 38:38 false-chord tunnels 39:10 pitched false folds 39:41 more pitched bocals (?) 40:40 chorus of "Of The Abyss" 41:18 "nasally high high" Good luck to all the vocalists who are studying this out there!

[@commandeeznut]

Mad respect to you for giving the timestamps.

[@lucasmiguel4734]

Bro his throat looks like the gates to hell when he sings

[@pierresauce8307]

The tuvan throat singing section was great, shows he has pretty decent overtone control. It's so hard to do that

[@bruh-qe9ux]

@@pierresauce8307it's the very basic of falsecord screams

[@conormccormack5913]

@@bruh-qe9ux True, but it really reinforces correct technique in my opinion. It's a great learning tool for this. Very cool!

[@cesarbaron]

It says everything about Will’s talent when a specialist is so amazed to call him “unicorn”.

[@Huskeroni]

I never in a million years thought me, a metal guitar dude who like his music absolutely filthy, and my wife who is now a doctor would have a video that would so deeply interest us both hahaha

[@deanandrejevic1946]

I think the thing I love most about this video, is the constant use of the word "talent". For so long this type of vocalisation has been demonized by the majority. Will Ramos is fucking talented and hearing that from scientists is amazing. Absolute game changing video!

[@theresadimarco764]

Amen and all the mic drops.

[@jvoxfox]

Definitely a unicorn. Amazing that this video exists! CRAZY movement of his epiglottic fold!! This was so incredibly cool.

[@nightmusic8]

Will you use this to educate your students?

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

YAY! Next time, you gotta be there with us. :-)

[@module79l28]

@@TheCharismaticVoice - Tatiana is in the US (in LA, I believe), do you think you could convince her to do a similar thing before they go on tour? Maybe you can uncover the "secret" to her harsh vocals. 🙂 The rest of the band was given a special permission by the ukrainian Ministry of Culture to leave the country and be musical embassadors for the ukrainian cause abroad, so they should be reunited soon.

[@youhell2328]

@@module79l28 i'm gonna see Jinjer live in spain at the end of this month in a festival! i was so scared that they finally won't come but finally they are coming!

[@paulriddle7818]

@@module79l28 She and her husband Alex left week ago. Alex had his first festival Friday night in Germany. Sat night Brussels

[@paganof666]

Will is now one of my favourite people, what an amazing dude

[@ad9aggie]

I would love to see this with Geoff Castellucci and Tim Foust to see the differences in how they hit their lowest notes. Great video! Thank you!

[@benedictmohr1075]

I can hardly believe how it started with a simple KZbin Reaction Channel and how you have now, with the help of Will, managed to contribute a milestone in this field of research. Your video is so well done and interesting and entertaining at the same time, but still has that seriousness and professional approach. Really admirable. Thank you Will, thank you Elizabeth and thank you Kirk!

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Thank you, Benedict! This is where I wanted all the effort of TCV to eventually go. To science!

[@oscarbaezsoria1650]

Im a neurologist. The vocal folds and surrounding tissues twisting like that is an awesome thing to see but I was thinking all the while.....what parts of his brain are activating all those tissues? He must have very specific neuronal circuits specializing in every nuance he is able to produce. Sadly, I dont think there is any way, with the technology available, to detect and study them. Its mind boggling.....literally. Nice video!!

[@jakethornton7]

I was just thinking about that! Normally you'd assume that the movement would NEED to be symmetrical since it's all innervated by the same couple of nerves. Are the recurrent laryngeal nerves even capable of doing this intentionally considering it's a branch of a cranial nerve?

[@GypsyFvck]

What would be interesting(and this is coming from a non-medical background) is maybe placing leads all over the head(EEG if I remember correctly?) and see where there’s activity during harsh vocal activity.

[@asherg.7813]

It takes years of programming your CNS to go outside it’s normal bounds. It’s mostly mental imo.

[@malcolmadams2105]

Practice practice practice. Lol

[@wild_lee_coyote]

It’s kinda like those who do finger tuting and move their individual fingers with precision. The unconscious reinforcement your body goes through to isolate the individual muscles is amazing. What is even more amazing when you think about it is how the muscles have to tighten into the right shape but will be loose enough to vibrate correctly to get those sounds. I would love to have seen how his voice was different that if Elizabeth had done some opera vocalizations. Very fascinating.

[@westyNUFC]

As a metal, Lorna Shore and of course Will Ramos fan. I found this extremely interesting. Will and Dickie Allen got me into the tunnel throat style of vocals and its interesting to see how the muscles in the throat work in order to make these guttural sounds, then using the mouth and tongue to create the tunnel effect. Its fascinating.

[@necrosterias]

will is one of the most charismatic and fun artists i’ve ever met, being with him must be fun and enjoyable at all times.

[@igotthecool]

very inspiring to see "normal" people who don't listen to these types of vocals be in absolute awe with will. as someone who listens to this type of music, its nice to hear someone say positive things towards these type of singers. We all know that this music isn't for everyone, but to hear 2 doctors be impressed is something ill always think about. Thank you Elizabeth and the Doctors involved for bringing this to a wider group of people!

[@Sam-uu2nx]

Same.. your comment almost made me cry lol its so true. Kinda stopped screaming because of the negative opinions, really hurts trying to practice a passion when you're upsetting people with it

[@Santiagorpx]

Im absolutely not in this kind of music, but man, this is really incredible. I think is very unfair to call this just weird people screaming like a bear or a pig. I’ll never hear this for entertainment, but I have to say that they are really talented and deserve all the respect

[@GrigoryTingus]

@@Sam-uu2nx just do you, you're gonna upset people no matter what, so might as well upset them whilst doing something you love! for example, you are upsetting ME by not practicing your passion >:c live your best life king

[@Ary2953Faye]

As someone who has always thought it was crazy insane that people could do that with their voices but didn't really like that music as much or was always told it was Satan's music 🙄. This was so amazing to see. It just shows me that just because something is different or not your taste doesn't make it bad. It's just wholly and uniquely different. This mad my day to see.

[@DuBziNHD]

I know I'm late to comment, but I getcha, I'm a metal head myself...open-mindedness is one of the best traits someone can have

[@OFFICALINTHECUTT]

All the metal vocalist around world are cheering now. We are finally getting the respect we deserve. I'm truly happy and in literally in tears. I'm genuinely happy that a researcher called it beautiful. It truly is and always will be

[@pungentzeus]

Chill bro why are you crying

[@antonioturner3835]

Finally indeed, metal has been looked passed for too long

[@twinny_mi]

@@pungentzeus why do u care 😭😭

[@brendancleaver93]

It absolutely is beautiful 👌🏼

[@glockdookie5231]

Big homie Youre crying? Cmon lets not be so dramatic

[@eseldanip6227]

Im a med student, and this is fucking AMAZING!

[@MercadanteMusic]

I'm not the biggest fan of their music, but I was blown away when I first heard them and his unearthly vocals. He's right up there with Devin Townsend imo

[@MereCh]

Devin Townsend is a GOD

[@Malfeasance1]

Opera singer and Viking husband take their son to the doctor, c. 2022. I love that he agreed to this.

[@dube_the_great]

I thought the same thing😂

[@goodfoxxyttv]

Need to say hes awesome, but holy cow do you know how hard it is to use an endoscope, let alone with that amount of movement in such a tight space, the doctor is also a legend!

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Dr. Stark is ridiculously talented! Thank you for noticing this!!!

[@sunflowercatie]

Seriously, I had to have an esophageal manometry and it is the worst test I ever had done

[@CALFCfan]

I find it hard to listen to gutteral metal music, but I was driven to near tears watching him perform these amazing vocalizations.

[@alexdoorn234]

Same for me, I prefer it when songs are mostly cleans but this was so cool to see! And hearing him do those weird noises is pretty cool

[@thedayidied]

That's a kilt. Just a dude wearin' a kilt. Just some guy and his kilt. Also, I didn't know Will was able to do Mongolian throat singing! I keep finding out more and more about how talented this dude is, and he really blows my mind every time I find out more about him.

[@bunggbungg7787]

Will seems like such a nice guy. He deserves everything he has going for him

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

total puppy dog energy, hes so bubbbly you want to cuddle him

[@gizzy2403]

@@bigfrankfraser1391 pretty gay there " Big Frank " 🤣🤣

[@Kelly_Cook]

@@gizzy2403 and?

[@nooooooooope3809]

@@gizzy2403 so?

[@BeeFizzle]

@@gizzy2403 hell yeah! I stan Big Frank.

[@andrewscocozza4340]

I love how Will just came out of nowhere a year ago, took the metal scene by storm, and is already one of the most loveable figures in the entirety of modern metal already lol

[@twinny_mi]

He blew up, but he's been around!!

[@rustyshackleford7656]

He's overrated af

[@tirtic1756]

@@rustyshackleford7656 then do better

[@twinny_mi]

@@rustyshackleford7656 There are other voices in deathcore that can do as much and more than him, but I'm not seeing you do that so I honestly don't care what u say. Can't deny he has talent

[@JimmyZillA69]

Some of the best extreme vocals I've heard lately is Filip Danielsson from humanity's last breath.

[@SublimeLyfeNow]

Man that's some serious dedication and determination to not let everyone down who showed up just for filming this video cuz yall if you've ever had your stomach pumped or an NG tube in you know how utterly uncomfortable and straight up painful unnatural feeling this is for him but in typical Will Ramos fashion he totally man's up and does it with such awesome genuine great energy! I fucking adore this man and I adore this friendship between him and her its so unexpected but wholesome af❤😂🎉😊😅

[@darkviolets4]

This, I had this done when I had an infection in my throat and it's very painful.

[@kriskquinn.68]

Hes like an ancient shaman/warrior doing war cries and chants, but the 21st century style. He would be good to have on the musical/audio staff for something like dune when the harkonnens are getting prepared for battle, in the meditative state as the guttural chants have the soldiers entranced for battle. Also some predator & alien sounds too 😂

[@frankyblanco4336]

Will is literally a kid living his dream. Nicest most humblest guy ever.

[@atlys258]

I love how the voice of an absolute demon has the energy and excitement of the sweetest clumsiest puppy learning to walk 😂 His straight response: "spooky sounds" killed me and then the genuine excitement and curiosity about the different styles and subcategories of these horrifying monster noises was legitimately awesome 👍🏼

[@justaguyonyoutube]

His voice is average for the a subpar off shoot of better genres lol

[@jantzenwodehouse5293]

@@justaguyonyoutube so edgy

[@undead.rising]

I discovered these people separately over the years (Elizabeth, Will Ramos/Lorna Shore - and Nik down in the comments) and seeing the collaboration happen between some of the most unlikely of individuals - because of their respective fields being so far apart, is incredibly wonderful to see. The respect that a deathcore metallist and a highly technically trained opera singer has for one another here can teach us all something. Thank you for your hard work, and thank you for this documentary.

[@metalmark1214]

The Charismatic Voice, the channel that pushes the boundaries of vocal science and education. Thanks Elizabeth for bringing this to us and for Will Ramos being such a good sport to go through this.

[@Need4Needle]

As a med student studying orl/ent right in this moment and a metal fan, this video couldn't come in a better moment! I will try to casually shove the topic in my orl exam discussion

[@TheCharismaticVoice]

Awesome! Thank you. You have no idea how impactful this video will be for your class!

[@marcusohlson9448]

👌🏻

[@ramomptbr4146]

More videos to your class Brandon kzbin.info/www/bejne/imTNg3hoiLWpY9k Enrico kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpSzl3lpr9OZndk Chris kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIjFp4p7rrejaJo Will kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5KbhKiNg7Wlgqc

[@user-gu3ie]

Can we also appreciate dr amanda for her knowledge!she can actually talk about what we see and hear!

[@stephaniebutts6660]

I love wills energy so much . All the other stuff is just an addition to his greatness . I hope he stay humble and kind and don't let fame change him . He is so sweet and funny and intelligent.

[@tyenickell5438]

So technically, TECHNICALLY.... Does this make Will the throat goat? He's probably my favorite human in metal. Love how kind he is. Great video!

[@yugiohlegend]

AYOOOO 😳😳😳

[@tyenickell5438]

@@yugiohlegend I'm sorry!

[@nigeldepledge3790]

"Throat goat" sounds like it should be a product that needs to be lubricated before use . . .

[@dianeaishamonday9125]

@@nigeldepledge3790 S P I C Y

[@avnn.1851]

If I was on a date with a girl and someone referred to her as the “throat goat” and she was like “ohh just an old nickname teehee” I’d tell her “pshh you obviously don’t know anything about Will Ramos”

[@w0lfGG]

This made me cry. It's amazing to see metal vocalists finally getting the recognition and respect we've been wanting from the music industry

[@MrFloat777]

What lol…

[@avxy3632]

@@MrFloat777 What kid?

[@DavidGarcia-ef8kg]

Authentic metalheads don't give a shit what other people think.

[@Aedalas]

@@DavidGarcia-ef8kg Authentic metalheads are just people, bro

[@corpsefoot758]

I would’ve been just fine with zero respect as well personally, but the professional boost of having these artists’ careers legitimized is a big bonus If it leads to them being able to more easily sell coaching classes etc. for the general public, I’ll be ecstatic

[@newcore6]

29:08 fry pig 30:09 false chord pig 31:29 ガテラル 33:19 ？？？high 36:07 closed-mouths 36:59 pitch Goblin 37:50 Goblin 38:04 tunnel 38:36 false chord 39:09 pitch scream 39:42 ？？？ 40:41 To the Hellfire 41:17 high high screech 44:51 comment

[@Brod.of.thunder]

LS needs to use the throat cam footage in a future music video! This was so rad! Haters can’t deny Wills pipes from now on.

[@kevinverhoeven6596]

I'm so happy to see that science proved that harsh vocals are a great skill, not just "stupid screaming in a microphone". It's a great day for metal and arts in general! (PS: can't wait for Elizabeth featuring on a Lorna Shore song!)

[@skylarsaenz5561]

Exactly! You know it's something truly special when the people watching him and thinking, "how does he do that?" are some of the most brilliant vocal scientists out there.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Genuinely one of the coolest experiments I’ve seen. So he just has an extraordinary amount of control over his voice. Plus Will just seems like a really cool dude overall, very nice guy.

[@EvaMikhaylova]

Yo you here too

[@brandoncortezemmanuel357]

Good to see you here man

[@randallradke1279]

DUDE WHY AM I SEEING YOUR COMMENTS ON EVERY VIDEO I WATCH?!?!?!

[@pavlemilatic3900]

@@randallradke1279 that's his thing, he goes around commening on videos

[@randallradke1279]

@@pavlemilatic3900 but like the videos I’m watching vary so much, I don’t get how we have the same taste

[@joelane800]

This was great! A lifetime of stereotype walls being knocked one Metal Vocalist at a time! Its not noise, its the most artistic therapy for the world, now backed by science! I would love to see as many vocalists do this as possible! Mike Patton, Jonathon Davis, Cory Taylor???

[@TokiToriMasters]

This is nuts haha I’ve been a metalcore fan for 20 years so seeing someone like Will with massive range in screams is so cool

[@DestructionGlitter]

I love how seriously you take this, Elizabeth. A lot of classically trained musicians turn their noses up when they hear these kind of vocals, calling them noise and unable to appreciate the skill they require. I love that you are actually interested, intrigued, respectful, and able to recognize the talent and skill. Vocals don't have to be "pretty" to be meaningful and impactful. Making these "noises" requires skill and hard work. What I'm trying to say is that I'm touched by your genuine interest and respect for harsh vocals, to a point where you're willing to turn the world upside down to research and understand them. That's all. You're really great. The metal community respects you 💜

[@Riflik45]

Couldn't express it any better.

[@zofficialone6214]

Agreed 👍

[@arcoloys]

Approved by metalhead👍

[@brianeleighton]

She actually has evolved a lot over a little more than two years. In her earliest metal reactions she sort of did have that reaction. People commented on her videos explaining the practice and she did a little research into it. She realized that metal vocals use many of the same techniques as Tibetan throat singers and developed a healthy interest in how they are produced. I agree we have to respect her for being open minded enough to listen to what we were telling her though.

[@DestructionGlitter]

@@brianeleighton I've been watching her for a little over a year, I wasn't really there for the early days but I can definitely see her evolving. I do think that if she has enough curiosity and respect to go all out for an opportunity like this, she does, or has grown to, view harsh vocals and metal as a genre as a serious art form.

[@Monalisa-cr8sr]

This made me realize he's just frickin built different, literally.

[@exurosanctus]

He's really not, we all have this exact same structure in our throats. He just has hours and hours of practice.

[@Anni_Mau]

​@@exurosanctus Certainly, but there is a natural talent factor involved in it, for sure. Most of us can run, but no matter how hard we try, we are unlikely to win an Olympic gold medal ever. Although practice can help us improve and learn a lot of things, there are limitations to our abilities. That doesn't diminish the amount of work he's put into perfecting it in any way! I feel like it's similar to how some people can roll their tongue or wiggle their ears etc. I haven't looked down any other vocalists throats while they perform similar things, so it'd be super interesting to see if they all construct this asymmetrie or if they achieve the sounds with different manipulations. Fascinating!

[@johnsmedberg3893]

Its fascinating that he can do that - using your example: its almost like he is winning an olympic gold by doing a twisting motion of the parts producing the sound. 10 years ago there was not that much research done of metal singers available. This is amazing and it will probably change how we think about singing and vocal techniques. Now lets hope someone makes a study or research with a lot more metal vocalists as participants or in that theme. They said Its not unusual, but do they all do/use that kind of twisting motion?

[@serenanicole2068]

No he just practiced and experiments and dedicated himself to his passion. Anyone can do it if they wanted to enough

[@koblefra]

Just practice and u can do it

[@drock55551]

"Tell me more good thing's about myself." 😂😂

[@FuhQH8Me4Lyfe]

This dood is absolutely amazing. Not just as THE top metal vocalist in the scene as of now, but this guy seems seriously down to earth and humble with a hilarious sense of humor. Just an all around good dood. Seriously tho, this guys got it all...from unbelievably clean vocals (check out his sleep token cover) to an arsonal of gutterals, squeals and goblins that invokes the image of a demon host breaching the gates of hell. 🤘💀

[@Kabz8]

Amazing. The Doctor was moved emotionally by Will’s ability. There is probably massive research and studies that have been validated by just observing this guys vocal skills. Amazing not only for vocal science, but for metal music. Such a cool video.

[@SpaceMarshalGyorni]

Of course she was moved. Science is pretty vast already, and new discoveries tend to be tiny and incremental. Most PhDs will look at some tiny facet of something, dig just a tiny bit deeper into an already well-established theory of their respective fields. Do you have any idea how rare it is for a scientist to do something truly original, to lay groundwork on something that's literally never been done before? The most amazing thing about this is not what it shows - it's how many questions it creates. Interesting, unanswered, and fundamentally *new* questions. When that old guy at the end of the video said it's gonna take them years to analyze the footage and model what's going on, he wasn't joking, nor exaggerating. It is literally going to take years. There are so many roads of inquiry opening up here, there will be genuine research based on this for a long fucking time. More than a few students will work in that lab and base their master's and doctoral theses on this. All because people on the internet, just for shits and giggles, pushed an opera singer to comment on increasingly extreme metal vocals. We live in amazing times.

[@BirdOfHermes8381]

@@SpaceMarshalGyorni you could say the same about music. It's hard to do something new that actually sounds good!

[@getshwiftygaming447]

Will has no skills

[@idrinkmilk282]

@@getshwiftygaming447 the guy that names himself after the most cringe, normie virgin show is here judging an actually talented person lol. "Getschwifty" hahahaha. Get laid bro.

[@RunawayKiwi]

Her excitement when Will said there are different types of pig squeal 😂😂

[@glennmead5934]

This is amazing to watch. As someone who has had a tumour removed from my vocal chord and had a camera down multiple times I fully get what its like. I never used to be able to see the picture properly. At the time my specialist and speech therapist said they only knew of two people in the southern hemisphere who could talk at all after this surgery and treatment. I frequently had hordes of medical students come watch on camera as I got asked to talk and sing to see what was going on.

[@matt4216]

Such an Incredibly Fascinating look and dissection of an Unbelievably talented vocalist and his skill! And the dude seems like such a down to earth person to hang with!

[@doctajuice]

Will is so humble he's literally like "idk I just do this but if y'all wanta study it that's cool" And all the scientists are ASTONISHED

[@kylemiller2920]

This was shot and edited perfectly. It was part vlog and part documentary and I loved every minute of it. When scientists get excited it's a big deal, and their reactions were incredible. Really special thanks to Elizabeth and Kirk for setting this up, and to Will for graciously accepting.

[@Thecabalsgimp]

I kind of thought of it like the jersey shore from the take away interview cuts.

[@xxpoisonblxx]

Seeing Will, numbed and probed, still just casually making those almost completely inhuman sounds, and Dr. Stark with a look of sheer awe at it.... couldn't have gone better. Any time you can mix this much geeking out from both sides of art and science, it's a good day for the world.

[@bradandsarahibbard1831]

Steel soap is a thing and her husband is not only awesome. But an absolute unit. This whole group is just too wholesome. I love it!

[@michaelbayerl1683]

WOW! Blast from the past. I spent a year in Dr. Ingo Titze's lab and NCVS when he was in Iowa City back in the mid '90's. I did a bunch of rigid and flexible laryngoscopies, EMG's and botox injections. I didn't realize he was still working