WandaVision - It Was Fun... For A While

WandaVision really sparked my interest, then totally lost it by the end. Let's find out why.

[@TheCriticalDrinker]

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[@dafyddking1469]

@Sandor Clegane silence dog

[@soyuzdavillan721]

What about a night out in COATBRIDGE???

[@soyuzdavillan721]

@Sandor Clegane this isn't the friendlyjordies channel mate piss off

[@vinzingerakaelotakuakatheweebp]

How many of you guys wants to see the drinker do Anime Reviews & Which Anime do you want to see the drinker review?

[@vinzingerakaelotakuakatheweebp]

Probably these anime. So drinker of you are seeing this, please review these anime. 1.Attack on Titan 2.Dr. Stone 3.God of Highschool 4.Tower of God 5.My Hero Academia 6.One Punch Man 7.All the UC & Alternate Universe Gundam Anime 8.Cowboy Bebop 9.Black Lagoon 10.Code Geass 11.Ergo Proxy 12.Vinland Saga 13.Kingdom 14.Fullmetal Alchemist & Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood 15.Psycho Pass 16.Jujutsu Kaisen 17.Demon Slayer 18.Kengan Ashura 19.Records of Ragnarok 20.Jojo's Bizzare Adventures 21.Gurren Lagann

[@stevewyatt9809]

"Vision goes to work each day without really understanding what he does and begins to question his purpose here." Don't we all mate.

[@Noperare]

Post-modern life in a nutshell

[@R3TURNZ3R0]

"You pass butter."

[@Balliard]

Like all of us

[@Skycrusher]

@@R3TURNZ3R0 Oh my god

[@creativedoof]

That actually sounds like the norm to me. 😶

[@4u5t]

So I stole this guy's car because I didn't have one of my own. After a few months I realized it was wrong so I gave it back. He will never know how much I sacrificed for him.

[@Edward-1945-colorized]

Eh Wanda kinda sacrificed her fake life, but she got off easy

[@bethanyh1637]

You are so brave.

[@juanmajmt]

Exactly and it's even worse, because she enslaved people...and she got no punishment for that

[@eparock]

yeah he should be grateful you left him a half gallon of gas in the tank and all those burger king bags and cigarette butts on the floor to play with...

[@Pointman11111]

I loled But Did you do it on purpose where you aware of what you were doing?

[@NextG666]

I think the most telling scene in the show was when Vision was walking to the edge of town where Wanda's spell wasn't as strong and he saw this poor lady caught on a loop putting Halloween decoration with a emotionless expression on her face, repeating the same gesture over and over again. While he was looking at her, perplexed of what she was doing, a single tear went down from her eye and that combined with her blank expression and repeated gesture, it really showed the horror she must be going through being fully conscious and have absolutely no control over her own body let alone her very life. Why would they drop that and go for the generic "hero/villain" trope I have no idea. The show had the enormous potential to set up Wanda as an interesting "fall from grace" type of villain, who's actions and motivations are way more complex than the traditional "I'm evil for evil sake and I'm here to do evil things" that we've seen a billion times. They can still do that I guess, but with the apologetic tone the show ended, I'm not optimistic.

[@arandantesamus]

That would have been an awesome setup for Dr Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Wanda loses her mind, becomes evil and wants to then merge or maybe destroy realities/dimensions (because if she can't be happy in her own reality, no other reality is allowed to), so Dr Strange has to confront her through various dimensions before she's able to complete her plan.

[@Robloxman226]

@@arandantesamus based on the end credits scene of this show, they could still take that route. I really hope it happens.

[@Fankas2000]

There probably were some rewrites. My guess is someone came over and told the writes that the plot is too dark.

[@undies891]

@@Fankas2000 Apparently Dr. Strange was meant to be in the finale but they cut him out because they didn't want "a white man" to save the day.

[@vonfaustien3957]

@@arandantesamus that could also be a good way to bring in the xmen by having her partially merge realities

[@MAXIMUS-yk5vs]

Honestly it was more fun listening to fan theories than it was the actual finale of the show 😮

[@eanderson9599]

truth

[@spendsshanks6050]

Like GOT 😞

[@EggPlanet492]

Watching Legend of Korra as it aired taught me that lesson: try to limit participation in fan communities before the finale, because you’ll often find material there that’s smarter and better written than what the actual showrunners came up with.

[@jameskirk8539]

Your knowledge of the source material is very limited. If you new the history of the scarlet witch you would have enjoyed it. But I didn't write this to be critical of your opinion. But the audience score was 81% and I enjoyed the creativity of the writers and I definitely love the finale. Also it's a treat to meet these new characters that I read about in the 70s. I had 500 comics books. Be you throw stones do your homework I think you're going to enjoy the research. Peace my friend

[@EggPlanet492]

@@jameskirk8539 in my opinion, a piece of media should be able to stand on its own, without relying on the viewer having read the source material. If the adaptation is missing context that improves the narrative, then it’s a bad adaptation.

[@jwt6577]

To be fair, Wanda doing horrible things and the writers letting her off the hook is the most comic accurate thing Marvel has ever done.

[@TaysanGalovu]

In Age of Ultron she literally knowingly makes Hulk murder innocent people, and I think less than 1% of MCU watchers remember that lol

[@Ergeniz]

Is it because the actress is hot?

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

Oh my gosh yes. Wanda at times in the comics can be the most unstable person to count and times is bigger threat to the Avengers. Her powers kept going confusing and became more hectic.

[@margarethmichelina5146]

And remember back in Age of Ultron she mind controlling all of the Avenger members but Hawkeye?

[@williams8977]

@Irfan Spirtovic the movie wasn't forgettable. it's one of the most important movies in the entire MCU and laid foundations for all of the future movies and character arcs.

[@JinzoTK]

"They will never know what you sacrificed for them." Wanda should have said: "I will never know what I took from them."

[@MichaelNNY]

Im sure they would be thrilled to know they were tortured to allow her to make a fake family, and then nobly gave up that fake family to stop torturing them. Thats true sacrifice.

[@ccrazool]

It's the 1860's. Slavery has just been outlawed. A slave owner is standing at the gates of his plantation, watching his slaves leave. "They'll never know what I sacrificed for them" the slave owner says with a sigh.

[@sandboxsub333]

Did they ever get their kids back are they still in the cornfield?

[@CaspertheSarcasticGhost]

Yeah, that part was a let down. I was really hoping that they'd pull a Handcock and let Wanda go to prison/psych ward willingly to you know, create some real character growth and show her as a real hero.

[@cardmaster8772]

Tbh, I felt that the show made it clear that Wanda feels wrong for enslaving people within the Hex and I liked how they developed a character with more grey areas in MCU. We could really see that the grief was too much for Wanda and that caused other people to suffer. That being said, Monica's line is freaking dumb.

[@alvaro1728]

The best part is her flying away at the end, basically saying, "Fuck you all, I'm getting away with this because I can."

[@trayrean23]

A sardonic vision of Disney if there ever was one.

[@OGGuaves]

Sooooo in other Marvel movies, the heroes can get arrested and imprisoned, but Wanda gets off Scott free?

[@WannabeWryter]

That's not exactly what happened but in most comics books with almost every character (goes a little nutty) that's basically what happens.

[@deant3980]

Reflection of real life politics.

[@golfwang8084]

Yeah I do wonder what they are gonna do with Wanda. I mean she’s definitely gonna get hunted down by some government agency, it would be absurd if she wasn’t on a wanted list. The show didn’t necessarily end with ppl forgiving her, quite the opposite- everyone involved was against her. Even the people like Monica who tried to sympathize with her still agreed what she did was insane.

[@ghosturiel]

"You Ruined my Life!" Random Westview Citizen "I don't even know who you are." Wanda

[@galacticandromeda]

😂😂😂😂

[@shafkatahmed5420]

Shouldn't the Citizen say,'You took everything from me!'?

[@stoned_666]

Iron Man 3: *The Mandarin is an actor* WandaVision: *Quicksilver is a random guy* Spiderman No Way Home: *Tobey Maguire sells pizza and Andrew Garfield is a famous skateboarder*

[@rivitril5440]

dude please no, they will do it, i fucking know they will do it

[@KanyeRaeJepsen]

@@rivitril5440 your profile pic relishes this comment lmao

[@rjofusetsudzin8011]

Trolling is coming.

[@Rouge31]

Delete your comment before someone at Marvel sees it

[@rivitril5440]

@@KanyeRaeJepsen i always get that lmao

[@johnshort9219]

Imagine telling a southern slave owner "They have no idea what you sacrificed."

[@yuricahere]

Pretty sure that's what Disney billionaire execs tell eachother every day.

[@riftvallance2087]

Ya its literally how the wealthy elite view themselves.

[@TayebMC]

@@yuricahere Ah so this is why Migraine Markle wants to work for Disney

[@stephonmanny7555]

Funny thing is that was their actual belief. In their minds they were helping them.

[@tomharrington1453]

Imagine having someone whose ancestors were probably slaves deliver a line of comfort to a former slave owner.

[@MysteicVoltronus]

God I hated that line or "They will never know what you sacrificed for them." She didn't sacrifice anything. She released her captives from the larges hostage situation ever. It would have better to end the show with her surrendering to authorities because she still desperately needs help and understands what she did was wrong, only to figure out they have no way of containing her. It would have been a nice way to introduce the rehab/prisons from the comics SHIELD has.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

That line was so cringe and so uncomfortable! It reminded me of the ending to Wonder Woman 84 where the writers literally forced you to feel sorry for Maxwell Lord based solely on the reason because "he's got a kid!" I'm like "fuck off!"

[@King-ys8br]

@@wiinterflowers4277 same thing with Wonder Woman who basically kidnapped an innocent man and cosplayed him as her dead lover.....that’s rape but let’s sympathize with her bcos she’s still in love with a dead guy Movies and tv shows are just getting messed up

[@gourskuthelegendary]

I like how your supposed to believe she lost her family thing she had with Vision. This entire thing is just, "Get the fuck over your robot boyfriend's death."

[@lunabi3586]

I hated that line so much. I think Wanda didn't agree with her and she shouldn't. She sacrificed her feelings, her fake family so that those with real families could be reunited. She let go of her family, her grief when she could have gone to a wasteland and re-created them.

[@ASDFPLAYZ]

honestly guess what, I see how she is mad, they gave iron man a funeral, but vision no? why, as she said in the sword HQ, she wants atleast a funeral for him, but they didnt give her his body, so she went on a rampage, the story and character is beautiful- this guy is anti femminsim- which lol-

[@ct-117]

The "villains" were just there in a futile attempt to distract the audience from Wanda's own villainy

[@aimanimran3010]

true

[@Interestingenough4]

To be fair I don't think the show was excusing Wanda for her actions, especially when Vision angrily called her out for hurting others. It was pulling a classic Walter White/Saul Goodman move. The story was from her unreliable point of view and thus you find yourself tempted to make excuses for her actions, the same way lots of Breaking Bad fans did for Walt and Saul.

[@titan2k928]

Nah I don’t think so. It was just so she had a big bad to fight. Especially after MoM, where they made her a villain

[@Nameless0061]

@@Interestingenough4 I would agree with you if there wasn't that cringe "they will never know what you sacrificed for them" line.

[@AnnthemofArt]

@@Interestingenough4 I was disgusted with Wanda throughout this entire thing. I felt a bit of empathy because of her grief, but then halfway through she KNEW people were suffering and still continued going on with it. what?????

[@thee_morpheus]

I didn't get caught up much in the theories, but them using Evan Peters was a troll/dick move just to get fans buzzing about multi-verse.

[@mikeh905]

Yeah it was a solid B/B+, entertaining but left me wanting more.

[@GingerZombie29]

I said the same thing about the casting of Evan Peters in the show.

[@Dimmary]

Disappointed in Pietro. I was expecting more of the ending. B O H N E R. Pfff

[@justhereforkicks8208]

It’d been a ballsy move had that made him the actual X-men Quicksilver. I’m betting they bring him back and retcon him into that role.

[@rjofusetsudzin8011]

I love the ending. However if there was one thing I disagree with it is boner joke. That and maybe Strange but thats just personal preference.

[@JujuInFlames]

One thing I hate is when movies say “hey look they have reality warping magic” but then they FIGHT and their “magic” is no different than ki blasts from dragonball

[@Drummerx04]

Yeah, that was my main gripe. I was thinking Wanda was going to have to battle a warped reality version of herself created in a moment of grief by powers she didn't fully understand and couldn't control. But no... The final battle was just a DBZ beam battle with a random evil witch, and then everyone kind of just goes home.

[@JujuInFlames]

@@Drummerx04 I don’t understand why it’s so hard to make an interesting magic fight, it just takes creativity and a little bit of imagination, I mean look at doctor strange vs thanos, that was sick af, it wasn’t too complicated. I would love if the mcu went towards a more magic centered thing but not if the fights are all just generic different colored blasts

[@anaccount9574]

@@JujuInFlames coz it is tv show and tv show generally have low budget that is why most tv shows have either medicore CGI or use practical effects. The CGI used in dr strange vs Thanos one was very expensive but they did it coz it was a MOVIE. Maybe if you have a brain then you would have known:)

[@anaccount9574]

@@Drummerx04 read my previous comment dumbo

[@Drummerx04]

@@anaccount9574 Okay? I wasn't complaining about the effects in Wandavision. I was complaining that 1) the main villain just kind of appeared out of nowhere 2) The final battle was essentially just a light show. Hell, the final villain basically has a "It was me, DIO!!" moment, but neither the viewers nor Wanda really had any indication that something was amiss with her in particular. In previous episodes, Wandavision displayed some pretty interesting reality manipulation, mind control, telekinesis, etc, so by comparison, the finale was narratively dry and uninteresting.

[@jeffreytackett3922]

Wanda is essentially the embodiment of Hollywood and celebrities in general. They're more than willing to use their power and influence to push things on other people that they don't want, and expect to be considered heroes for doing so. They feel like any sacrifice, at any level, is worthy of praise, no matter what they did to get the thing that was sacrificed in the first place. The irony of the situation is that they are so unaware of that fact, that they literally write movies and TV shows about the same thing, and it doesn't occur to them that it's a massive mirror they're holding up in front of themselves.

[@eanderson9599]

Interesting take

[@darianstarfrog]

Bingo! That's why all the chara terse have become shells of their former selves! Lol..self inserts! Explains the shitty non sensical writing too! Lol

[@mariantambe5110]

They should have just treated her like a villain. Either make her an innocent in all this or straight up admit she's a villain. They could have made her so much more interesting if they did.

[@Casimenori]

Wanda is innocent, she didn’t create Westview, her magic was acting on its own accord. She didn’t have to free the people in westview but she did it anyway. She sacrificed her happiness to free people she didn’t even know.

[@porterwake3898]

At the end of the series I was asking, "Is that it? Wanda gets to walk away after essentially kidnapping, torturing, and enslaving a town? No consequence? And why is the white guy shown to be evil? He was correct the entire time!!"

[@mattschmitt4393]

Because he purposely tried to push Wanda to that point. He invited her to his facility to show her that they were going to turn visions lifeless body into a weapon. He knew she would want the body back to bury it, and that if he refused to give it back to her it would set her off and give him a reason to arrest/control her so he could harness her power. His evil intentions are revealed later, when it is discovered that he took a clip of her opening a door with her powers to make it seem like she broke into the facility and stole visions body, when they had it all along. The issue with the show is that they were trying to paint Wanda in two different ways: 1. someone who is emotionally fragile and still learning her powers, therefore she is easily manipulated; 2. Someone who is already the strongest Avenger and does not need anyones help her to solve her issues. This is evidenced by the fact that Dr Strange was supposed to show up in the last episode to help Wanda learn how to use her powers, but they cut it because they didn’t want to undermine Wanda. The result is that there is no clear narrative for who Wanda is and what her struggle is.

[@toddnolastname4485]

The boss guy was there to remake Vision as a weapon. Not really sure how that was a jailable offense.

[@machupikachu1085]

because in modern Hollywood, white guys ARE evil! ESPECIALLY if they are smart enough to know what's going on.

[@me-myself-i787]

Of course she didn't get consequences. Superheroes are too powerful to be held accountable.

[@The-Dom]

Modern morality: If you did a bad thing because somebody else upset you its ok. Only pure unadulterated premeditated evil is evil... unless you're a politician then that's ok too.

[@nekroneschwartz2013]

I think it's simpler than that: Straight White male=bad, women and POC's that oppose White men=good

[@champ1159]

@@nekroneschwartz2013 facts

[@Yusuke_Denton]

Or unless you committed a grave microaggression that offended their class identity.

[@cbicommentbureauofinternet5290]

@@nekroneschwartz2013 well she's evil in comics. And will be villain of dr strange 2

[@INFILTR8US]

@@nekroneschwartz2013 Signed, a white guy.

[@cumberbatchpepperpot]

The problem is that Hollywood doesn’t have the moral underpinnings to write superhero stories. Actually, mainstream comics also now have that problem.

[@kentonkruger8333]

Wow does this comment ever ring true.

[@bobkrazynski2205]

Did they ever? Think your wishing for a past that never was

[@viniciusvyller9458]

Best superhero story out there these days is My Hero Academia, cause its fun, pays homage to the original western comics all the while bringing some criticism to the genre, much more realistically than The Boys.

[@bloodbrawler1438]

@@viniciusvyller9458 I'd say The Boys follows what the title of this video says: "It was fun (doing the superhero criticism well)... for a while"

[@cumberbatchpepperpot]

@@bobkrazynski2205 yes, the old school guys that had served in World War Two and had a belief in heroes could write aspirational comics.

[@redbaron_live7022]

Imagine an ending where Wanda walks though the crowd and she hears whispers of what they think about her now, marking the consequences of her unforgivable act. Monica should have been understanding about what Wanda did, but also holding Wanda accountable and helping her come to terms with the burden of enslaving a town of people that will forever weigh on her. I think they could still have this effect in later movies if Wanda has nightmares and still feels the suffering of the people that she controlled. It would be cool to see that as the catalyst that drives her insane.

[@thomasrockbottom2907]

Thy wont explore about it

[@MrCenturion13]

I'm sorry, but I can't see this version of Wanda giving even half a f*ck about what the plebe townspeople have to say. It won't weigh on her; she'll barely give it another thought for the rest of her life. Power corrupts. And Wanda is just as wicked as the rest of us.

[@randoshmuckarias1296]

@@MrCenturion13 wo there sonny jim. Reading too much manga my man

[@purpleplanetary]

None of that is Monica's responsibility. Wanda should start acting like an adult.

[@joeyellis850]

@@purpleplanetary Wanda is acting like an adult. An up and coming adult super villain.

[@carlosortizii1665]

*"And it all just kind of fell apart like a drunken obese elephant landing on a house of cards."* This is probably the most bizarre thing Drinker has said so far.

[@NeoN-PeoN]

Hmmm. Is it, tho?

[@g0blinboi415]

This show made him drink the most at the time

[@ForgottenHonor0]

"They have no idea what you sacrificed." Seriously?

[@trinaq]

That was my reaction. Wanda just imprisoned an entire town, and forced them to act out her idea of a perfect life, and separated them from their regular lives and families, for who knows how long, and they're simply supposed to be cool with this?! 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@luke5930]

what did she sacrifice? Was it just vision or have I genuinely forgotten what happens in the mcu?

[@MrFallenone]

Thats exactly what a slave owner would say after slavery was outlawed. LOL

[@garyejoor1135]

@@MrFallenone lmfaooo 😭😭😭😭

[@maddiejung974]

Someone with all that power getting rid of their family is a sacrifice... I mean look at the terrible shit politicans do and they don't have reality warping witch powers.

[@dafyddking1469]

Drinker stop lying. Everyone in Scotland looks like an extra from the Walking Dead

[@aidanmeacham1999]

I thought Scottish people didn’t exist

[@lukedelport8231]

Bro harsh but so accurate

[@xc43t]

Not everyone. They have a lot of immigrants from Poland and Spain.

[@Sandwich13455]

Just the people from the southside 😉

[@kalash_nikov]

@@xc43t Immigrant from Poland who's been living in Scotland for 16 years. OP is correct, but quite a lot of Polish immigrants living here blend in perfectly. Also, all extras for Pirates of the Caribbean 1 (ie. toothless pirates that looked like they weren't sober one day for the past 30 years) were picked from the seaport city in Poland.

[@airboundgab3]

This story is the Villains Journey. I saw it as Wanda’s path into villainess and madness. And when you compare comic Wanda she was mentally ill. Desperate for a normal life she went and committed the biggest act of genocide in her infamous “No More Mutants”. And seeing this series was the MCU’s version of House of M. A fantasy world made possible by a desperate woman in a mad quest for normalcy she will never get. The saddest part for me was the fact that both her children are figment of her imagination. But the villains journey is a tragedy at its heart.

[@darianstarfrog]

Then comes m.o.m...

[@i_am_ergo]

Sure, but they presented her as a hero at the end, not a villain. As in, the studio wanted us to cheer for her.

[@TreyWarren-wp8rs]

@@i_am_ergoShe did the right thing letting everyone go and it’s understandable why didn’t want to in the first place. But that’s the beautiful thing about this show is sometimes people make bad decisions when it comes to our emotions and how we feel but it’s never too late to do the right thing!

[@kimmeeb]

My biggest problem with this show is a lesson I learned the hard way: your own trauma does not give you a pass to inflict pain on others. We're supposed to feel sympathy for Wanda, but I just can't because I've been traumatized and hurt people as a result and I actually had to make amends and deal with the ramifications of my actions. I didn't get to walk away and I didn't get a spunky sidekick telling me that the people I hurt would never know what I lost. I don't think Wanda necessarily gets a pass on her actions in the show, but she doesn't have to deal with the aftermath either. She enslaved an entire town. You don't get to walk away from that scot free

[@toh6261]

"What the fuck was the point of all this?" Disney: 🤑

[@andyminor7469]

To set up Scarlet Witch. Drinker was right in saying if this was a set up for evil or however he put it. While Scarlet Witch isn't inherently evil she is very much a wild card if my understanding of the comics is correct. The final, final end credits scene where she's reading the book or whatever... apparently that book doesn't lead to anything good. Again, I never read the comics but I've watched every MCU product as it's come out and have researched it. In short, yeah, the ending kinda departed from the theme of the rest of the show. Yes, the line about them not knowing what she sacrificed was terrible. But they're definitely setting up for her to do some messed up shit.

[@jameskirk8539]

Don't you know that with Marvel there is always a plan or set-up for the next movie. I guarantee if you didn't enjoy or understand anything they will keep that in mind going forward.

[@myfavedits71]

Phase 2 of marvel is already boring

[@edrrrk]

@@myfavedits71 phase 2 ended 6 years ago, but since phase 4 just started we have more to come

[@myfavedits71]

@@edrrrk lol i was talking about phase 4 my bad

[@bretr7327]

Man, people are extra salty about this one Drinker. I’m glad I’m not the only that questioned why the person that was enslaving people was portrayed as the hero while the guy that was trying to stop her is seen as the villain.

[@viralchallengeselfie7200]

Predictive programming

[@tentonmotto6779]

From what I've seen, many people defending Wanda are doing so because they empathize with her sorrow and refuse to consider the full picture. In their minds, pointing out the major moral failing on part of Wanda is devaluing her, and in turn their own feelings. I've read some commenter saying that she "would do the same thing given the chance"

[@porksterbob]

They made Monica sympathetic to Wanda for the wrong reasons. Her basic premise of "we can't outgun Wanda, we need her to be part of the solution" was perfectly fine. That was a person being smart and empathetic. The idea that "I would enslave a town to recreate a happy life with my mom" is not.

[@mariana-ni9wl]

Yes!! I thought of that too

[@adamkalb1]

Tyler Hayward is the villain because he weaponized Vision after making a new one of him who was white instead of red.

[@moonbeamsun9066]

My main problem was the way they revealed the mystery that Wanda was behind the hex. It felt way too early and then they just explained everything to a point where I lost interest in that part of the show. Like just imagine how much creepier it would be if Monica just… disappeared after she talks to Wanda in episode 3 and we didn’t know what happened to her until later on. Or if we were left out of the loop as much as Vision so we feel the same terror as he does. I feel like the mystery/horror element was lost due to a way too early revelation.

[@Megami_luv]

This is what I was thinking rewatching the show, they shouldn’t have revealed it so soon and if Monica was tossed out they should have at least not told us what happened so like you said it would be like we were vision and we knew Monica disappeared from west view but didn’t know how.

[@Mr__Geno]

Disney: "Hey people watched WandaVision, they must want 3 more Captain Marvel movies. Also, we should make the next Thor a multi-Binary Egg played by Tessa Thompson. "

[@shiawasekappukekiful]

*Multi-Binary, jesus christmas*

[@margarethmichelina5146]

@Valkyrie's Way Also, how am I supposed to like her when she played as Generic boring character in the first 2 Thor movies? I immediately like Valkyrie because of her drunk behaviour and sarcastic personality. At least Darcy gets development in WandaVision for being the MVP of The Hex incident by studying the science phenomena and even watching The Sitcom to help everyone found clues.

[@dritzzdarkwood4727]

Enslaves an entire town. Marvel: She's brave, strong and independent and such a sweetheart for letting them finally be free, free to have PTSD for the rest of their lives. Yeap....

[@SillyRiz]

what other choice did she have tho? also she's not super sweet, she's evil asf, but when you consider the fact that she lost her 'kids' and her 'husband' I guess I can understand her...A bit

[@gokuonice1940]

wow its like a witch, whose more powerful then the sorcerer supreme, can bend reality itself, manipulate matter, and recreate the dead ... yet cannot erase the memories of hundreds of innocent people sparring them from being scarred for life. Im not sure they care about what she sacrificed ...

[@SillyRiz]

@@gokuonice1940 I dont think she can wipe memories tho- I dont think she has a power like that...it like if spiderman flew or sumth although I might be wrong...

[@yeboighost]

I dont think marvel setted her up to be a hero. If u watch the after credits, u'll understand that she will soon become a villain

[@Biostasis5x7]

@@SillyRiz How about, "Not enslaving an entire town with your crazy magic powers"? Accepting your loss, grieving like a normal person. Taking a deep spiral into a path of self destructive drinking and financial apathy. Any of those seem more usual than enslavement.

[@lovetrain2455]

"Let's tease and set up a bunch of things and never make them pay out" I see many people have graduated from the Rian Johnson and JJA school of storytelling

[@FunkMastaMegaFlex]

And that's another way how this was like GOT. With character and story arches that have no real conclusion it was like they were hinting at nothing the whole time.

[@maxalain9948]

Mystery box time babyyyy

[@Serahpin]

They don't know where they've been. They don't know where they are going. They don't know where they'll end up. And they're perfectly fine with it.

[@kyotheman69]

I'm surprised that Magneto didn't show up in the end and walked beside Wanda to start the Brotherhood TV series lol, because show more showed case the X-men wanda then avengers wanda, that she more a villain/anti hero

[@SammEater]

It's that mystery box bs that current writters seem to be so in love.

[@youknowwho9203]

“They will never know what you sacrificed for them” Lame words coming from a strong bLaCk boss lady with intellect and good intentions

[@jamesbuchananbarnesss]

She was a good character in the first episodes but then the script ruined her.

[@khfan4life365]

I feel like Monica’s mental health should have been explored after being kicked out of the hex. She mentioned hearing Wanda’s voice in her head, but the writers never really delved into Monica’s feelings and her potential trauma from being forced in and out of the hex. Then again, modern writers are afraid to give female characters weaknesses.

[@witchplease9695]

Funny how the people who bitch about “woke” making things about race are the ones bringing up Monica’s race when it’s not relevant to her character.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

@@khfan4life365 Google Stockholm Syndrome. That's the vibe I got from Monica *EVERY* time she defended Wanda.

[@khfan4life365]

@@wiinterflowers4277 me too. But they never addressed it! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@ThenDarknessFalls]

I really loved Vision in the MCU. Paul Bettany is a great guy.

[@wiinterflowers4277]

He is. I liked his comedic takes in some of the episodes.

[@khonsu9378]

@@wiinterflowers4277 nice.

[@sunboi4488]

They tried too hard to make her the hero of her story. She should have ended up the villain, which imo would have been way more interesting.

[@brainexe2850]

I believe they will, since in the comics the Scarlet Witch is indeed a villain. But yes, I agree with you

[@someordinarydude9147]

@@brainexe2850 This was that shot. She REALLLLYYYYY messed up here. What she did was almost the psychological version of a Bruce banner hulk out in a big city (almost, which I find ironic because what happened in age of ultron with hulk was her fault as well.). They should of positioned her as a villain, a wanted fugitive who had to escape. That could of set her up for an awesome sort of redemption arc where eventually she’d offer herself to authorities but whatever action she did to redeem herself offset the harm and they left her alone. Missed opportunity

[@ninjanibba4259]

Well most villain stories have them as heroes of their own storylines Didn't Joker do the same thing? Why are you questioning this?

[@michaelmanning6150]

She was more like the unknowing villain, I felt a weird disconnect with the people and Wanda. I couldn’t tell whether she really knew what she was doing to the people and she’s gone on to say a few times I might already be the villain. Even in the comics she does dick moves on a global scale three times from what I recall. So I think she’s a developing villain

[@michaelmanning6150]

Also I think they’re playing the game of walking that fine line between hero or villain to open up future stories involving her getting what she wants

[@LeoxandarMagnus]

Wanda needed a scene where she asked for forgiveness from the town. She can’t be a hero without that.

[@Revkor]

yeah. i think they could understand her grief

[@23DEATHNUMBER]

She going to be the villain in doctor strange 3

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

@@Revkor I'd wager otherwise, especially on a personal level. There's no apologising for that to me.

[@amon__7187]

How does an apology make up for enslaving a town? She is not a hero

[@shorewall]

@@TheKing-qz9wd The apology is still necessary for Wanda to (attempt to) not be a villain. The people don't have to forgive her, but she still needs to apologize.

[@soundsfromthestreet]

I had an eye roll of epic proportions when Monica rambeau uttered the words "ally" and "your truth"

[@etme1000]

Enslaving others? My truth!

[@jayrave4]

Completely agree with this. I also liked the quirkiness and general mystery of the first few episodes, but absolutely hated the boil down into standard Marvel fare (CGI overload, sky beams etc) during the second half of the show. Unsurprisingly, MCU loving beta male friends of mine were the other way around - hating the beginning, but loving it by the end.

[@MorKmbt]

“They’ll never know what you sacrificed for them.” I was astounded, humored, bewildered, upset, and angry all at once

[@MichaelNNY]

The most tone-deaf, arrogant, insulting, absurd comment Ive ever seen in a season finale. Whoever wrote that line should be immediately fired and never allowed to write for tv again.

[@williamfryer4528]

Thanos p!an was stupid, if he wanted to end all life that would be better

[@kylerhoads2543]

Monica is such a stupid pointless character lmao

[@AllardRT]

@Gentleman Murk Yeah, giving up her own happiness to save the townspeople would be a noble and heroic thing... IF SHE WASN'T THE REASON THE TOWNSPEOPLE NEEDED SAVING IN THE FIRST PLACE. She didn't "sacrifice" something of her own, she just stopped taking away something that belonged to them.

[@ObsidianBehemoth]

She finally stopped the thing she had no right to do in the first place. What a legend.

[@thurin84]

yep. its like negotiating anything with "progressives". they make totally unreasonable demands upon you. then when theyre forced to back off they respond "look! ive compromised!" like theyre some kind of hero. yeah, youve "compromised" be deigning me to allow me to keep a little more of what was already mine (ie freedoms, rights, money, dignity, etc)

[@Synkhan]

@Gentleman Murk Ahhh yes, accidental slavery and multiple instances of "accidental" assault ..Noted, she should totally go free then, our mistake...See how crazy that sounds. She needs medical help...but innocent she is NOT.

[@ObsidianBehemoth]

@Gentleman Murk She learns about the hex at the end of episode 5. She just doesn't care.

[@martinshelton9533]

I think Wanda herself didn't forgive herself, my take from her walking down the street was here excepting what she did was wrong by not hiding from the townsfolk and then leaving because she knows she doesn't belong and shouldn't have been there.

[@ObsidianBehemoth]

@Gentleman Murk Vision told her in the next episode, specifically about Norm.

[@protector9513]

I really enjoyed the show until I got to the last episode, it looked like they were setting Wanda up to be an amazing villain that you could feel empathy for but still understand how much she has fallen. But it looks like they might have her a hero. If she turns into a good villain I can forgive the last episode, if not then the entire show falls apart.

[@Movie_Games]

Did anyone else guess what was happening before even watching it? Then felt bored waiting for the reveal that we already knew was coming?

[@JohnDonovan1968]

I played Fallout 3 so i saw this coming from a mile way.

[@tjlevey378]

@@JohnDonovan1968 that mission is 10x better than this garbage show 😂😂

[@JohnDonovan1968]

@@tjlevey378 Bethesda had a better writing team compared to Marvel-Disney... ;) lol

[@Blatantlyrude]

Yeah, I already watched the movie where a sad little girl uses powerful magic to create a dead/missing loved one and locking herself away in a borderline impenetrable barrier. Pokemon 3 was intense for a children's movie

[@boonslang6689]

@@tjlevey378 Yeahman. The Hype got me and I started watching it. 3 episodes down, I had to finish it on fast forward. Dull, boring, generic show. The finale was so bad that it ruined it all for me. CGI was kiddish.

[@yuricahere]

I feel like Marvel was trying to do something unique and then Disney Overlords made sure it ended with a CGI fight and a skybeam.

[@PaulSchober]

I was thinking the same thing. It's like near the end the Mouse Brass came in and demanded a finale re-write. "Hey, enough with the 'creative' stuff, let's get a witch CGI battle and more robots and explosions to keep the nerds happy."

[@insaneone4369]

And more and more females!

[@Yusuke_Denton]

Was there a superhero landing?

[@fourfours9928]

@@Yusuke_Denton yup

[@ninjanibba4259]

I don't understand how you didn't think it wouldn't end with a battle, it was build-up

[@RetroRespawn]

i totally agree. When Monica basically described the people of Westview as ungrateful, I couldn't believe it. Seriously? She took their lives and freedoms away from them, to construct her fake family, why should they understand what she gave up when she relinquished her control? Also, it really pissed me off that the suggestion that Pietro was going to be Quicksilver from the XMEN Movie franchise, was completely vaporised in the finale. Rug pulled, faked out, when Disney had every ability to do something great with that, with the potential for a multiverse.

[@sebastienj.c.218]

I'm surprised to see that people watch that kind of show and expect anything good to come out of it. Real life has more potential than any show nowadays. I walked away from series. It's just another form of propaganda packaged as "entertainment".

[@Mimi-qe7qz]

IKR? Wanda should at least get shamed and monica being a good girl help her like "you messed, you need to do something for these people, I will help you because I know how you felt" or something, and at least have Pietro disappear suddenly and not being 'Bohner' so we still have that mystery of multiverse

[@TheSchaef47]

There's still a multiverse coming so who knows. There's already an alternate Gamora, don't forget.

[@ultrascarlet5275]

@@sebastienj.c.218 how is this show propaganda? tv can be bad without pushing a message

[@enriquellerena4779]

I was disappointed of pietro but at least we got a cameo!

[@t00thman]

I did laugh my shit off for about five minutes when she said "And I killed Sparky, too!"

[@avanishdutta2658]

She killed a bloody dog and you're laughing about it? You are the real villain of Doctor strange 2. Someone call nick fury.

[@HansLollo]

3:40 She didn't resurrect vision by breaking into the facility where his body was held. That was her intention, but she realized there was nothing to resurrect. That in turn added to her "grief" and caused the spell to form when she was very upset.

[@alanpennie8013]

You are correct. Vision was in fact resurrected as White Vision.

[@roshambo4137]

"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them" is like an echo to the entitled personalities of the writers.

[@MichaelNNY]

It also felt a BIT feminist. Two women, one a person of color, explaining away the moral implications of the series. In this case, hey you made a fake family to deal with your grief but you also imprisoned and tortured an entire town. When you realized this was bad you sacrificed your fake family to stop torturing the town. THEY WILL NEVER KNOW YOU MADE THIS SACRIFICE.

[@jeremytitus9519]

@@MichaelNNY She _reluctantly_ frees the town, and doesn't stick around to deal with any of the fallout. Anti-metahuman sentiment should be _exploding_ after these shenanigans.

[@Yusuke_Denton]

@@jeremytitus9519 If they're smart they will pick up on that story thread for The Mutants, but of course she will be shown as sympathetic and the average Mutant hater will be wearing a MAGA hat.

[@thepikarivera7706]

Would have been better if they didn't include that and made Wanda suffer from guilt + everything else that has happened.

[@dirkbruere]

"I used to go around raping peoples minds, but I decided I don't want to do that any more" Congratulations - you have learned a valuable lesson and can now move on - you go girl!

[@Acesahn]

Remember when Tommy Lee jones told Harrison Ford in 'The Fugitive' "I don't care," to him pointing a gun at him and telling him he was innocent? I miss that kind of logic/morality lol

[@innocentsmith6091]

It's totally in line with the current state of the comics, which is where it seems the movies are heading now.

[@NatsumiMichi]

Still wondering if you're referring to the show or to Age of Ultron...because in that sense, Wanda's character is actually consistent :'D She wasn't sorry back then, ain't sorry now. Somehow most people weren't put off by what she's done and never properly addressed in AoU so...no surprise they're buying her "from baddie to hero" gig once again.

[@Sizzox]

She did it by mistake. And she fixed very quickly after she learned how she could.

[@nont18411]

@@Sizzox She didn’t fix it because she knew it was wrong, she fixed it because Agatha told her to. Actually Agatha is the real hero here.

[@inazuma3gou]

“They will never know what you sacrificed for them” When you think about, Wanda was able to come to a closure thanks to them. She was able to create new memories with Vision and her kids. Those people let her heal her wounds and form a new identity for herself. And, there is now even a new White Vision. But Monica and Wanda will never know what those poor Westville people sacrificed for Wanda.

[@cooperjazz77]

She didn't create the hex and the fake reality intentionally though and how much control does she even have over herself?

[@inazuma3gou]

Given that she was doing multiple rewinds whenever things got inconvenient for her and she ejected Monica after "the twin" comment, she just didn't want to face reality and had a guilty consciousness. I understand she was in pain. She made a mistake. But, it is not on the Westville to understand what Wanda went through. Don't blame the victims. Comparing them to Monica who made the choice to enter the Westville is completely misguided.

[@ct-117]

Ship of Theseus was the best thing about this show.

[@thespidermanoftheottomanempire]

Hayward at the start: ‘I’m trying to do the right thing, I’m not the villain here.’ Hayward in the last episode: ‘BURN THE CHILDREN!!!’

[@lonewolf9578]

Hayward is basically the marvel version of ironwood

[@shadowofhawk55]

I hated that. He went from a man doing his job to a cartoon villain.

[@GingerZombie29]

It didn't surprise me, but it still pissed me off.

[@TheodoreBotman]

"This nutjob kidnapped an entire town of people" to "Wow, this hero sacrifices her made up family to save the people she kidnapped."

[@Ivan_Berni]

I literally predicted that he will be the antagonist in the first second that i see him

[@trinaq]

Please tell me that they weren't building up Quicksilver's arc just to have him be a random guy with a crude name!

[@alistairetheblu]

@ANTHONY THOMAS It's like the Mandarin in IM3, if that actor had played the actual Mandarin in a previous movie they'd been teasing could become connected via multiverse shenanigans.

[@shadowpriest2574]

@ANTHONY THOMAS Kinda akward for the mandarin to be introduced after Iron Man died.

[@alistairetheblu]

@ANTHONY THOMAS Oh I know, he was also referred to in a short "All Hail the King", and that was partly because of all the flack they got from how the "Mandarin" was in IM3. I didn't mind him in IM3 either, but if he had previously played an actual Mandarin it would've more of a dick move.

[@MrPink-qf1xi]

I think Evan Peters thing was a message to the fans, "don't expect FOX X-Men to appear in MCU" I don't care about FOX X-Men after Logan anyway, it ended.

[@cardmaster8772]

@ANTHONY THOMAS No, nothing is as bad as Nick Fury's eye scratched by a cat. The multiverse QS theory was wrong from the start, since every episode after the 5th gives 0 set ups that he might be. Hell, there were way more signs that he ISNT Qs, than signs that he was. Other than that, I don't believe that any potential is lost, since if they finally get to the multiverse stuff, they can still use Evan Peters if they want to.

[@matthewbateman6487]

All in for a 'Wanda goes bad' arc, eh? Nice prediction -- you got your wish

[@nyariimani7281]

I made it fifteen minutes into the show and couldn't watch anymore. Thank you for making this summary. It's WAY better than the original source material.

[@MrOverHeels]

"They will never know what you sacrificed for them". All she sacrificed was her delusion.

[@ChristopherMurphy1969]

I would imagine that is a powerful line to a culture populated by people who have elevated their own delusions to "personal truth" status.

[@tomharrington1453]

@@ChristopherMurphy1969 they had a POC defend slavery. It takes lack of self awareness to a new low.

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

@@tomharrington1453 You mean they were spouting some racist rhetoric or they were coming to terms with how that is part of history and the current situation is somewhat different?

[@ninjanibba4259]

You missed the entire point....

[@VelaiciaCreator]

Flesh and blood beings she created. Sentient life. It was just tied to that town and the spell. The point of Monica saying that however was to comfort Wanda, not to be the moral of the story.

[@DD-lm1gv]

"They have no idea what you sacrificed." Don't you lot get it? It's the personification of the "me me me" culture. These idiots are blind to the plight of others and only their experience or "their truth" is what matters. It's not your pain that's important, it's their pain. It's not your ideas that are important, it's their ideas.

[@sonia5698]

Makes sense the phrase "your truth" was mentioned at least four times that I can remember (without rewatching)

[@RogueShadows]

Oh my God not everything is the damned culture war.

[@williez4789]

@@RogueShadows get your head out of the sand, of course it is.

[@ElValuador]

@@RogueShadows Incorrect.

[@Pulmonox]

This was pretty much what I thought of instantly. Everyone wants to be such a main character that the idea of granting someone else their just rights for your mental inconvenience is to be lauded as a great selfless act. No one knows what ACTUAL sacrifice entails these days.

[@Chadfleanthony]

Somebody shared a thought with me that the line "They'll never know what you've sacrificed for them" was a reference to Wanda killing Vision but the writers relied too much on viewer's ability to correctly interpret ambigious lines that are more likely to refer to something that happens within the show and not in one of the previous movies.

[@RileyTaker]

That still doesn't give her a license to brainwash and enslave an entire town.

[@chslt79]

​@RileyTaker who says it does. Wanda is psychotic. They're trying to get her to stop the hex and let the people go with as few casualties as possible. They're trying to appeal to her sensibilities. It actually shows the type of people we, in real life, are dealing with when you encounter those who defend Wanda's actions tbh

[@kitcatgachaandtext]

Critical drinker: "God knows what she's gonna do the next time she gets sad me: *watches doctor strange 2* well that one aged well

[@alphacause]

The moral message of WandaVision: Everything is morally justified...when a woman wants to persist in a satisfying delusion.

[@Yusuke_Denton]

Wandavision: The Amber Heard Story

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@Yusuke_Denton Truer words never spoken. 😂

[@dauntless_cs7702]

Not quite dude

[@kendrick5501]

Never thought every form of media needs to have a moral message. Not every film or show is meant to give a moral message, moreso when it's especially from Marvel, a world that's so vast and expansive that it can be shown in any form. Imagine trying to make a show about Scarlet Witch have a moral message, cause certainly it seems to have from the beginning...

[@Miluielle]

@@kendrick5501 every form of media does have a message, whether that is moral or immoral, everything we take in influences us in some way, whether we reject it or embrace it. Failing to discuss it means that our society can take in messages that are very dangerous unintentionally, evil disguised as good intentions. We are wise to never subscribe to the 'it's just harmless entertainment' view.

[@dannypalin9583]

And I was hoping that Nick Fury having his eye scratched out by a cat would be the only stupid cop out.

[@jogymogy3691]

I hoped all of Captain Marvel was just FanFic...

[@seanibarra-loredo7290]

"It WaSn'T a CaT, iT wAs A FlErKeN!!!111" F*** off, whoever says that.

[@harrisonclauss8559]

My expectations were subverted so that means it's good! 😂

[@exhaustguy]

@@seanibarra-loredo7290 His eyeball was burned out under questioning by the Skrulls. That is canon.

[@PoopaChallupa]

Captain Plank screwed the pooch in many ways. 1. The example you gave. 2. Shield calling themselves shield before Iron Man movie. 3. In Avengers, Nick fury saying thor was when he found out aliens existed.

[@hgyuuuuhj098]

""So-o... Pretty much standart MCU movie then..."" Instantly - Liked

[@Digitize27]

"If this show is actually setting up an evil turn for Wanda, then I'm all in with it." Sam Raimi: "You don't say?"

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

Did Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness really commit to the evil Wanda route though? I would argue that the movie still tried to paint her as a tragic character, more deserving of sympathy than of judgement despite her repeated and needless crimes. Even as an out and out serial killer, that movie still tried to depict Wanda as a figure of pathos as we watched her kill people without mercy or remorse, including the (in this manifestation hilariously misnamed) Smartest Man alive, whom she asked if he had children before she killed him, meaning that she not only committed cold blooded murder (yet again) but, as someone who is obsessed with finding alternate versions of her own imaginary kids, had no issue orphaning someone else's kids, again needlessly since with her power she had other options than lethal force. The movie tells us that Wanda is this tragic, redeemable figure, while simultaneously (and in my opinion unintentionally) showing us that she is a wholly irredeemable monster. This was not an intentional Evil Wanda plot line - this was WandaVision all over again, where the monstrously evil Wanda is once again depicted as sympathetic and, if not outright justified in her actions, then at least relatable and understandable, when in fact her character is anything but that. In the movie, this backwards approach to morality is made explicit at the end by Stephen Strange ruminating that, for all her many crimes, Wanda supposedly 'made things right in the end' (a similar form of words to those he used earlier in the movie with regard to her actions in Westview) by destroying the Darkhold, but what of the literal piles of bodies she left in her wake? They are no less dead because she burned a PG 13 rated version of the Necronomicon, are they? What restitution did she make to their families and loved ones? None whatsoever, so she did not, in fact, make any of her crimes 'right' at all, the movie just wants the audience to think that she did, and assumes people are paying so little attention that this inept little bit of writing sleight of hand will somehow fly, a proposition made all the more unlikely because, as already noted, they have already tried to pull the same trick before in WandaVision, and it failed miserably there too. The idea that her final act to destroy the Darkhold, and sacrifice herself in the process, is some sort of meaningful redemption also falls flat because we see that flash of Chaos magic right at the end as the mountain is collapsing, and the character is already set to return. On prior form, this will doubtless be treated as having wholly offset her little murder spree the next time Wanda pops up, all because she burnt a few bad books. The studio will inevitably feign surprise when the fans don't go along with that ludicrous notion, and the usual round of fan baiting and blaming and hollow accusations of sexism will ensue.

[@ZenDel10]

"They will never know what you sacrificed for them." that moment was so out of touch I couldn't believe it, no regret for what see did nor sorrow for the towns people and then whoosss!!, fly we go, it´s incredible, and very disapointing as a finale.

[@RKNancy]

I agree. I was trying to put my finger on what's wrong and you put it out well. Also, those barbie dress transformations were definitely cringy. I mean, she runs away to avoid consequences and transforms her dress in that moment. Like girl, you don't wanna attract attention while running away now, do you. Monica Rambeau is the biggest culprit in not letting Wanda face her consequences and letting her run away.

[@CelineNoyce]

Just like WW84 it shows an amazingly immoral act and the audience is like.. huh... but the immoral writers and people from Hollyweird can't see it.

[@Mr.Ekshin]

Oddly enough, that was a black woman explaining to a white woman, that it was kinda okay that she enslaved and tortured nearly 4,000 people. Because you know ... she was really sad at the time. She'd lost her brother... AND the world's most expensive sex toy.

[@Pizzababy5]

Exactly, she basically enslaved and tortured a whole town but now it’s a heroic thing 😂

[@imgeorgelucas320]

facts what the hell happened

[@saritatambayong4002]

The character Monica Rambeau, started strong at the beginning, then the writers decided to make her just a Wanda simp.

[@eanderson9599]

The classic “black best friend” Marvel is great at those... I agree she was a good character at the start, but in the end, she had no effect on the narrative

[@alborzajeli768]

worst character of the show.. literally there to be black, female, and empowered. Her lines were cringe and her acting left a lot to be desired...

[@saritatambayong4002]

@@alborzajeli768 i agree with the acting and lines. But the first time she showed up after the blip, that scene in hospital, and how she push herself into the hex, i got high hopes for her character. But apparently after gotten kicked out by Wanda left some brain damage that made her useless..

[@eanderson9599]

@@saritatambayong4002 agreed, I thought her initial scenes were pretty good, but she became so useless later on

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

@@eanderson9599 exactly and if there are two white best friends, when they are separated they get to have the same black best friend. Captain America and Bucky. Falcon is just their black side best friend when they don't have each other.

[@The_ATF_]

“Maybe this is setting up her villain arc” M.O.M * eye brow pumps *

[@GigaChadh976]

They kinda don’t really commit. They keep pretending she’s misunderstood

[@typhoonFPS]

And the evil arc prediction has come true.

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

MCU: Women are never at fault, even when they're enslaving people for their own selfish benefit. Can't wait to see them try justify Captain Marvel being an actual space fascist in Civil war 2 and her still come out the hero. That really brought people to her side in the comics, and Brie's stellar acting will make it even better.

[@caldw615]

Wanda very clearly was depicted as at fault though?

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

@@caldw615 Was she arrested?

[@NP-zv4bf]

The mcu should never adapt civil war 2

[@Poopookachew1]

Well when the Washington Post does a piece eulogizing a convicted pedophile, a convicted domestic abuser, and an armed felon for getting shot while attempting assault and murder during a 3-day riot, I'm not too surprised at Marvel repackaging Mussolini as a blond Valley Girl.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@caldw615 Except Monica says that the people of Westview don't appreciate the 'sacrifice' Wanda made for them, casting Wanda as the 'true' victim in all of this. Wanda also faces no consequences for her enslavement of all those people, and in the after credit sequence we see her studying the Darkhold - a grimoire of dark magic - which suggests that, far from learning from her actions and trying to mitigate the risk her powers present to innocent people, she is acting incredibly recklessly in a manner that is pretty much courting disaster. She has learned nothing whatsoever and suffered no consequences beyond the loss of her magic family and the creepy fantasy land full of meat puppets she kept them in. There is no justice for her victims and no suggestion she is going to be held to account. She leaves wrecked lives in her wake and simply walks away scot free. At least Bruce Banner dedicated his life to making sure the Hulk would harm no more people. Wanda does the exact opposite by taking up dark magic seemingly in pursuit of resurrecting her magically constructed children, and of course deals with dark powers couldn't possibly go wrong and put more people in danger... It is one selfish decision piled on another with Wanda, yet the show still wants the audience to treat her as a hero anyway. It is perverse.

[@S1ipperyJim]

Wanda basically does the same thing to a whole town as Kilgrave the evil villain from Jessica Jones but somehow its OK because she's meant to be a hero

[@RichSmithson]

Even if we gave Wanda a pass for what she does in Wandavision, its not the first time she has done something evil or messed up. (Avengers Age of Ultron) - Her and Pietro team up with a killer robot who wants to kill the Avengers. She also mind controls Hulk who goes on a rampage in a city where im sure a few people died. (Civil War) - She propels a bomb upwards and it blows out a floor on a high rise building killing dozens. I know it was an accident but she still screwed up. (Infinity War) - She leaves it till the last minute to destroy the Mind Stone/Vision, where if she had done it before Thanos turned up, the snap never would have happened. She sacrificed billions for Vision and still wound up losing him. If she existed in reality. She would be seen as a villain.

[@morcossthegreat7960]

The only redeeming quality of that show was kilgrave

[@user-mj9ec8jv1b]

this is pretty in character for the scarlet witch in the comics to be borderline evil at times, she’s not a righteous hero like Superman, she’s a crazy girl with op magic, and is not supposed to be viewed as black and white as a hero or villain

[@ouchiegiverjr]

@@user-mj9ec8jv1b then why does she keep getting a free pass?

[@kaisteven5907]

@@morcossthegreat7960 first season was awesome. Second and third season proved that it was only because of kilgrave

[@narcissus79]

I think the problem with Wanda is that as a character she is way too OP, and they couldn't figure out how to utilise her in ANY of the movies or this show. And they mishandled her brother Quicksilver, their storyline of the relationship to Magneto etc..

[@GilDice]

"Fuck knows what the next thing she's gonna do next time she gets sad." Me: 😳

[@ammarcharafeddine4966]

🤣

[@alpd7638]

The single worst thing about this TV show was making me remember Captain Marvel exists. Though Jimmy pulling that card trick is the best piece of continuity in a movie/series ever.

[@andyz2861]

Remind me what the card trick was? I vaguely remember one from Ant Man 2 but don’t want to have to watch Wandavision again

[@SpartyCubsFan]

@@maddiejung974 Err, but he’s not going to go riot, loot, or burn stuff down. He’s simply bummed out at being reminded that such a horrific movie was made, and “starred” in by a Plank of Wood. Kinda like me with Game of Clowns, errr, Thrones. There was no tv show, only a book series...

[@russiankodiak6849]

They should make a Snyder cut for Captain Marvel

[@jfoster8624]

@@russiankodiak6849 facts

[@maddiejung974]

@@SpartyCubsFan "but he’s not going to go riot, loot, or burn stuff down" Oh good i'm glad, maybe he'll just storm the capital instead, kill a police officer and try to overthrow millions of votes?

[@MarrsAttax]

I was assuming Wanda had cast Agatha as the villain to assuage her own guilt at holding the town hostage but apparently, no, she was just an uninteresting random witch who happened to live next door for some reason.

[@alanpennie8013]

It's definitely a good hand wave to ascribe Agatha's rather unconvincing villainy to Wanda's mind control.

[@Grayto]

Yeah, I think that's where things kind of went off the rails. Your suggestion is a perfect way to keep both the eeriness of a self-created reality formed from the unconscious and the need for the story to confront a real, tangible, antagonist. Not to mention it would help resolve the real moral stain on Wanda now. Too bad

[@MsPoliteRants]

So did I!!!

[@blacknemesy]

No, she had no idea that it was even herself doing that and that it was not real. Agatha just took advantage of the poor mind state and wanda's lack of control of her power. She mostly did nothing except when she turned into a powerhouse to instinctively preserve her reality, she was never in control and that is why wanda is extremely dangerous too powerful and lacking mental discipline, she can(and does) snap against anyone.

[@galacticandromeda]

Interesting theory! Never thought about that

[@SeraphsWitness]

Amazing premise, very bold. They just copped out at the end. I like your idea of turning Wanda into a villain. You'd TOTALLY understand her reasoning too, having gone through that kind of loss and trauma. Imagine setting up a sympathetic villain like that over multiple films and TV shows. THAT'S compelling writing.

[@MsPoliteRants]

Thank you! My husband and I were so disappointed and couldn’t understand why others liked it so much. I honestly thought, since they gave Monica powers, that when they revealed Agatha, she was also manifested by Wanda. I thought Wanda made Agnes a witch in order to shift blame from herself. The fact that she was just a witch subtly tweaking things in the neighborhood was so disappointing.

[@richd8907]

If they could've ended with Wanda showing a little empathy (maybe some tears, a desperate reach out their forgiveness) for the innocent men, women and children she enslaved for so long, then it may have helped a bit. As it was, she was definitely the villain in all this and those towns folk should've tied her up and found out if she weighed the same as a duck!

[@acmeoneconnect]

Lol so if you just realized you were being used as a puppet by some ultra powerful witch you'd go to tie her up ?? Bbwwhaaaaahaa

[@runespar]

Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

[@TomEyeTheSFMguy]

@tservo10 A newt...?

[@louisduarte8763]

Which means...she's made of wood...and is therefore...

[@TomEyeTheSFMguy]

@@louisduarte8763 A WITCH!

[@nuclearglory0363]

I’m tired of the “I’m sad therefor I am good” bs that’s been in media, it began with cartoons when I was younger, emotions are not an excuse, sometimes people can just be bad

[@christopherjones5446]

Me too. It as if they won’t write anyone as objectively evil anymore. While I’m all for having a nuanced, layered adversary, once in awhile, a nice charismatic and unambiguous villain who you want to see taken down is pretty entertaining. And Disney excelled at that at one time. Not so much now. The worst example was when the access media praised Killmonger as a sympathetic character. The guy was a whiny little bitch with daddy issues who wanted to commit GENOCIDE!! Ryan Coogler, to his credit, tried to make him as objectively evil as possible. And yet the media still praised him as a character who should have our sympathies.

[@anicjan4654]

That only applies to women and special class. Unless the character is meant to be depicted as a absolute shades of grey chad type then any dude they'd have do this they'd scream and mock him for being a "fedora neckbeard niceguy" or something. Even if the reason for this guy being upsets is geniune and their reaction of spite making more sense than most others characters.

[@bigbear514]

It's a good idea to give motivation for people being bad. Unfortunately people having been taking that as if "the villain was in the right all along". Like you said, emotions are not an excuse, and evil actions still make one an evil person regardless of motivation.

[@Mysikrysa]

I´m fed up with this bull*hit excuses for unacceptable behavior too. Hitler was also sad, mentally broken person (abused as kid) but it´s not excuse for what he did.

[@Mysikrysa]

@@christopherjones5446 What? Killmonger should have our sympathies? XD

[@DastardlyDavid69]

Lol it DID lead to a villainous turn for Wanda. And the drinker HATES IT.

[@katthunter6561]

I loved this show up until it's ending. So here's my alternative: - Agatha wasn't the villain. She saw Wanda's power, was curious to see if she could use it for her purposes, and is a watcher and occasionally subtly manipulates Wanda so she can see just how useful her powers may be. - The final fight is the Evil Government Man shoving in alternate Vision, and Wanda- having to fight a literal real but perverted version of the thing she loves, casts him away in a huge blast- we see that this mental break has caused her to become the Scarlet Witch (which Agatha mysteriously whispers as she sees it happen). Fake Vision finds him, does the same chat/ memory unlock. Wanda realises she is wrong, let's go of Vision, same end. - As Wanda leaves, Monica just says 'I am sorry for your loss', and Wanda just says 'Im sorry for what it made me do'. She flies off, same possible evil Wanda ending. Done.

[@vandanacasm]

"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them." I nominated this for the biggest wtf dialogue of this year. Edit: Thanks for the likes.

[@bt82]

Sounds like a poor attempt at Donnie Darko where they had to spell it out to the audience

[@glennwatson3313]

What exactly did she sacrifice, "for them?" And who is "them"?

[@imperson7005]

@@glennwatson3313 she gave up her family. The "them" is the people she was enslaving. I love this show but she's definitely not a hero 💀💀

[@williamcronshaw5262]

@@glennwatson3313 She gave up her imaginary family to free the towns people from the mental prison that she created. Yeah I don't get it either, exercising basic human decency is not sacrificing. I'd say that maybe this means a heel turn for Wanda in Dr Strange 2, but in the age of political correctness we can't have a female villain.

[@enigmaodell6806]

A little early but you're probably not far off.

[@crossbones116]

There's an alternate universe where Purple Man stops using his mindrape powers to mindrape people, and he's hailed as being brave and heroic for doing so.

[@exhaustguy]

@Greg Elchert And we will never get that from the MCU under its current business model. Not a Logan either. Nor a Blade. Apparently the R rated Deadpool is a go, but I have my doubts. I love the MCU, but I do hope they have a place for the more adult stories.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@Greg Elchert And when Jessica Jones snapped his neck for his heinous crimes, almost everyone considered it the just desserts of a pretty much inhuman monster. No effort was made to humanise him or make out that he was working through trauma or anything like that. David Tennant did a great job chewing the scenery to be the most threatening and repulsive villain he could be in that role.

[@caldw615]

Were we watching the same show? Everyone in Westview hated Wanda for what she did and she rode off into the sunset to live in isolation just like Hulk has done several times in the previous movies, and between Wanda and Hulk she isn't the one taking selfies and dabbing with kids in the movies after having smashed several cities with countless casualties in the past.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@caldw615 And it is as good as stated by Monica that the people of Westview are wrong to hate Wanda, and don't appreciate the grand noble 'sacrifice' she supposedly made by... returning to them the very freedom she stole from them in the first place to create her fantasy world. It isn't their fault she tied the existence of her magic family to their suffering. And lets not forget that the only city we see Hulk smash in the MCU he smashes... because Wanda messed with Banner's mind in Age of Ultron, knowing the likely outcome. Also, Banner went into isolation specifically to try to avoid the Hulk harming anyone else, only returning to live as the Hulk among ordinary people after he becomes Professor Hulk and is no longer a threat. Wanda has fled to the wilds sure... where she seems to be studying the Darkhold - a grimoire of dark magic - in the after credits sequence, an action very likely to put more innocent people in danger, not less. Far from trying to protect people from her clearly dangerous powers she cannot fully control, she is actively courting further disaster by doing one of the most reckless things she could possibly choose to do. It is the exact opposite of what Banner did to try to contain the threat of the Hulk.

[@andrewsharpe7630]

Mind. Blown.

[@t.milrose7914]

And yet again, I find myself thanking someone for watching something so I didn’t have to. Cheers Drinker; you’re doing god’s work. 👍

[@TheSchaef47]

There were several things I liked about the direction they took people. First off, Kathryn Hahn got a great intro into the MCU. Both before and after her reveal, she gets to chew the everliving fork out of some scenery. Second, it looks like it was a one off gag, unless they use Multiverse to bring him in later, but subbing in Evan Peters as Pietro was next level meta. So Wanda had long been one of the most powerful Avengers (though on any given day, I guess you could say that about any of them except Natasha and Clint), and struggled to manage her powers in a way that helped more people than it hurt. She literally kicked off the Sokovia Accords. So you take her, put her in a situation where her grief enslaves an entire town, then allow her to learn how her powers work AND increase them by an order of magnitude? Not only is a heel turn a fair likelihood, but although you're sympathetic to her grief, we saw what she did, and with SWORD already divided over his to handle her and and entire town ready to tell the world how awful she is, I don't think she's going to be well loved anytime soon. I also like the idea that they're setting Monica up for Secret Invasion. Her powers feel a little more earned than Danvers', even though neither one expected to be mutated by their actions. At least she acquired them trying to help Wanda and manifested them to save the twins. Plus she has way more humanity and personality than Danvers; we actually see her struggle and try to cope with loss. Honestly, if the second movie end up in a showdown and she takes down Danvers and ascends the throne of Captain Marvel, I'd be a lot happier with the lineup. As it stands right now I'm interested in Spidey 3, Strange 2 and Guardians 3 and not much else of Phase 4, but I'd watch a lot more of Monica in Captain Marvel or the Avengers than I would Danvers.

[@tasoskostaragkos781]

Go easy on Monica. Remember, her mom's best friend was Captain Marvel

[@Tyler_W]

To be fair to Monica, she's not Carol's biggest fan. She was off in space while her friend was dying of cancer, and Momica is rightly kinda ticked about it. I'd actually have a beef with her if she still worshipped the ground she walked on.

[@princesssmileyface91]

I’m not 100% a Monica fan, but I’d choose Monica any day of the week, than Captain Marvel 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Saavryn]

@@princesssmileyface91 I'd choose Capt. McSwordDouche over Carol.

[@Bone_guy]

"is that like a personal attack or something"

[@guardianv5846]

The same captain marvel who thought being asked for a smile in return for help, was worth commiting grand larceny

[@Mukanjabarsobdassem]

Does anyone remember when actual heroism was shown in Spider-Man, when Green Goblin made Peter choose between saving kids or saving Mary Jane, and he did he damndest to save everyone? I miss that in super hero films.

[@Mukanjabarsobdassem]

@Gentleman Murk Monica wasn’t the main character that we’re supposed to be rooting for, and she also sympathized with Wanda for the absolutely horrific thing she did to those people.

[@Barthenn]

This review was nearly 100% How I felt watching it, I literally just finish watching the last episode, and the conclusion doesn't do it justice. That line about they'll never know what you sacrifice for them, I was like what the fuck, that she had to sacrifice a make believe family that she was with for a few days in exchange for actually letting hundred maybe thousand of people from the town retrieve their ability to think and act on freewill. Also that part about the children being made for it was really cheesy and overly doing it. I don't think any sane parent would tell their children it's alright take care of the military. The 2nd vision felt force. On the good notes, I love the costume especially that halloween wanda costume and that ending Scarlet witch armor suit at the end. I really love the attention that was put into making the 50's and 60's. The mannerism, the speech, the costume the attention to detail was really great. Also one last thing, didn't Wanda force Agnes to become the noisy neighbour for ever but then undid the dome and removed her magic, wouldn't that mean that agnes is free or the writer just forgot about her in the last moment. I would give this Show a 6.9 on 10, I would say that if they were able to have a different conclusion and a little less of the leftist trio against the evil white man, I find it ironic truly because Wanda actually deserve to taken down. As soon as you actually see that she is aware of this but doesn't do anything, she has to be challenge by the villain witch, this is not what a hero does torture people that she release most of them from the city. I actually don't even know why they were able to arrest that guy at the end. Didn't they say they had ownership over the device, nothing they were doing was illegal.

[@1jamminjoe]

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[@matthiasneidenberger9471]

“They’ll never know what you sacrificed for them.” You do know they were literally mentally enslaved for her to get what she sacrificed right. Really they were imprisoned so she could live in a fantasy land instead of dealing with her grief in a healthy, non-confrontational way.

[@highlordxeleth]

Not to mention those people will most likely be mentally scarred for the rest of their lives. But it's okay, she's a hero, sshe was upset and sad so it's okay for her to do this. Jeez...

[@markcobuzzi826]

Sounds like the most heart-wrenching “sacrifice” since the time Wonder Woman gave up sleeping with Steve Trevor in Handsome Man’s body.

[@highlordxeleth]

@@markcobuzzi826 Yeah, and what WW did there, to a certain extent, to the host of Steve, starts with a R

[@christopherwashi]

@Winter Green then what was the point of Civil War? DC heroes caused a lot of damage but never really faced anything. All Superman got was a Trial that didn't lead to anything expect Superman getting bummed out and flying to some mountains. Batman's a vigilante so of course the law would shift if he gets out of line. But these heroes never faced anything in the movies that showed their reckless mistakes.

[@markcobuzzi826]

@@highlordxeleth ...and rhymes with grape.

[@jonhstonk7998]

“They will never know what you sacrificed for them” I cringed so hard when I saw that

[@MichaelNNY]

That one line basically ruined the season.

[@LooneyNuke]

My favorite thing about this show was the music, cuz holy shit, the music was fantastic. And I never thought I'd see the day where an MCU Villian would have a Villian song, but here we are.

[@THEINTERNETANOMALY]

Kim: gives up power in North Korea "They'll never know what you sacrifice for them"

[@alpd7638]

started slow, got good, ended with an anti-climax

[@SheldonAdama17]

That’s what she said

[@alpd7638]

@@SheldonAdama17 glad that someone didn't waste the set up

[@arenkai]

When did it get good ? I'm trying to get a sense of where people thought the show god good then bad because I kinda thought it was bad from the start :$ The first two episodes are in retrospect though, at first I liked the setups, but then it meant nothing so those too ended up in my "bad" bag by the end And I fail to see what could be considered "good" episodes in this show since it's all setup with borked payoffs

[@alpd7638]

@@arenkai I was confused as hell and about ready to quit the series after the first episode and most way through the second episode (I can see why they released them both together). I enjoyed seeing some of the reveals and the background adding some intrigue and wondering where it might all be going...and then it didn't really go anywhere.

[@khfan4life365]

My thoughts exactly. I was charmed by the love letters to shows of old, but I can admit it started pretty slow. When episode 4 came, the show really hit the ground running. It makes me sad that the ending was so anticlimactic because we know it was because of covid restrictions. I read that Strange was supposed to show up but Cumberbatch was grounded in London. If they really wanted this show to hit it out of the park, they should have reshot the last two episodes as they were supposed to be.

[@JoeLeasure]

"Evil" generic, white guy was actually a tragic hero in the show.

[@stevenbobbybills]

That is, until they realised that they hadn't made him evil and generic enough, and so had him act increasingly irrational and aggressive to the point of just having "kick the dog" moments.

[@JoeLeasure]

@@stevenbobbybills Yeah, and even then...most of what was supposed to have shown him as, "bad" was the main characters reaction to him.

[@anaccount9574]

@@JoeLeasure ah yes framing a person of stealing someone's body, shooting at children isn't"evil". You guys are a joke. If the a villain is black you clowns complain that they are "blackwashing" the original characters and when a white male becomes villain you see it a "woke" movie. You guys are clowns go back to circus

[@docmain4508]

Bruh that's a garbage ass take.

[@webbedshadow2601]

@@stevenbobbybills That's what i was thinking! before the last episode i was thinking "Maybe Hayward isn't a bad guy" and people are like "But he lied and said Wanda stole Visions corpse!!" but still they didn't have to make him so generic by the end, there's a place for great anti-Avengers MCU characters, hope we get Thunderbolt Ross/Red Hulk

[@marsrocket]

“Setups for future movie” used to be something people thought was cool. When did it become bad?

[@Asdfgh-xr6qw]

I think it became bad when it turned into setup for the next setup for the next setup... It started feeling like watching a 2 hour advertisement for yet more 2 hour advertisements, at the cost of actual substance.

[@darianstarfrog]

Not EVERY movie/series.. it's exhausting! And feels tacked on

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

When the movies and shows that do it turned bad.

[@robward8247]

two years later, i just watched it - LOVED it at first, by the final two episodes, it entirely lost me. really interested if our reasons line up

[@Nooroodin84]

"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them"...omg that line is disturbing.

[@GingerZombie29]

Yep. I was like "what did she sacrifice exactly? An illusion?

[@Nooroodin84]

@@GingerZombie29 ikr

[@kbubblingtime]

When Rambeau said she understands why Wanda did what she did, I just talked to my tv and said, "fuck all those people she kidnapped and tortured for months then I guess."

[@kodguerrero]

The whole show plays in a few days

[@kbubblingtime]

@@kodguerrero still held them there against their will.

[@nerevarchthn6860]

@@kbubblingtime how is monica saying that a fuck you to all the people??

[@kbubblingtime]

@@nerevarchthn6860 not meant as a "fuck you" to the towns people. She kinda just glosses over Wanda taken an entire town hostage. Instead of saying something like, I know you are suffering but making other suffer is wron. She just goes, I get it my mother died. If they don't make Wanda out to be the "villain" in another movie then it was a poor showing or writing on their part.If they wanted to make her a sympathetic hero then her still controlling the people even after she realized what she was doing was not the way to go.

[@nerevarchthn6860]

@@kbubblingtime she can never be the hero she was always the one causing deaths in mcu and she will always be she has to fulfill her destiny

[@fossilimprint2954]

Thank you for the spoilers, saved me hours of my life. Subscribed !

[@adeleaslan8182]

Ik I’m late and that the fan theories are probably better but I think the show would’ve been much better if Wanda was just trapped in her own hallucinations. Every extra was either a: someone she knew from sokovia or b: people from the sitcoms she watched. The first woman who asked Wanda to stop when choking the man is just Wanda (‘s consciousness) telling her to stop harming her own brain. Darcy somehow enters the magic mind field and helps her move on and accept reality. Also no Agatha

[@idipped2521]

The story with the friend at the beginning is the most Scottish thing ever

[@amgineacoustic]

Not "Scottish" objects are called that. Anything pertaining to people is "Scots" not such thing as a "Scottishman" they are a "Scot" or a "Scotsman" But I guess English not your mother tongue

[@idipped2521]

@@amgineacoustic If it's not Scottish it's crap!

[@idontcareaboutpcpolitics222]

Id have said sounded almost Australian

[@grantbitman1448]

The most Scottish thing I can think of is Irn-Bru.

[@Kragith]

@@amgineacoustic "English not your mother tongue" Jesus dude calm the fuck down. You come off as a teenager looking to belittle anyone you can with what you learned this week in high school.

[@ajsgaming474]

Mate why can't more clubs have more hotdog stands that would be fucking unreal

[@joshuapowell6822]

Because they don’t want to arm their customers,

[@Sobeewan]

The hot dogs are for the women.

[@matehavlik4559]

Are you asking me? 😜How would I know..?

[@Sandwich13455]

Guaranteed, some specky dude will Ralph over the dogs!

[@rescyn1190]

Going way back but Gatecrasher used to have a corner shop in the club that did chips, sweets, ice lollies and the like. I swear the girls that manned it deserved medals for dealing with 1000 pilled-up clubbers every weekend who were that muntered they couldn't even focus on the money they were trying to hand over!

[@theherooffire007]

The things the Drinker says in this video about Wanda (and what she might've gone on to do in the future) certainly aged like a fine wine.