Theist INSISTS Religion Is Good | Snow + Dillahunty Fight Back! |Sunday Show Clips

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."-Lucius Annaeus Seneca.

[@rippedtorn2310]

sounds like a Tory .

[@jshaers96]

I'm pretty sure Edward Gibbon came up with that one.

[@xBleuGuyx]

@@rippedtorn2310 it's bloody chewsday, innit?

[@gavsmith1980]

Not actually a Seneca quote, seems to be a Gibbon quote

[@robinrobyn1714]

Atheism is considered idiotic by the intelligent people.

[@johnsperry9494]

When a Theist becomes an Atheist, people ask, why did you lose your faith? When an Atheist becomes a Theist, I ask, why did you lose your reason?

[@JackSparrow-lj4fq]

Absolutely. I always ask what verifiable evidence did they find..

[@johnsperry9494]

@leoyohansen6811 A secular buddhist is simply an atheist who likes incense.

[@Fernando-ek8jp]

You don't require to have any reasons to be an atheist. You don't need skepticism. You don't need to even be a practical materialist. You could be incredibly gullible and believe that fairies exist and still be an atheist.

[@cctomcat321]

I wish I knew. I may still have one of my best friends I lost when they went on a spiral and basically ended up in a cult married to someone twice her age thinking he was some kind of prophet. At that point, I'm more angry and disappointed in the leader than the victim.

[@gobob2220]

A person that does good will do good WITHOUT religion.

[@emptybucket1988]

Yes

[@RationallySkeptical]

So the category of ppl who have been convinced their entire lives that there will be infinite consequences for finite crimes and who base their behavior on this belief.....just don't exist? Come on. Of course these ppl exist. Sorry but you're demonstrably wrong. Some ppl "behave" more than they otherwise would due to their false religion.

[@johnsperry9494]

Christians do the right thing because they are afraid of going to Hell. Atheists do the right thing because it’s the right thing.

[@tulpas93]

... and are very likely to do significantly better if they don't grow up thinking they can get forgiveness from someone other than the parties they've offended, and without thinking that they can inherit guilt for the errors of their ancestors, and without thinking that women are second class citizens, and without thinking they can always see that loved one again in heaven, and without thinking that they should push their own beliefs on others... I could go on and on and on with this list.

[@cctomcat321]

​@@RationallySkepticalit all depends on what you're saying. A good person convinced of religion would still do good without it. The person who is convinced and wouldn't otherwise do good isn't all that good to begin with.

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

caller wants confirmation that his wishful thinking is benevolent. it is childish thinking.

[@llongone2]

"I just want it to be true...like a wish. I want to pretend. Is make-believe wrong?" - 90% of the callers on this show.

[@wohodude100]

Matt Dillahunty & Jimmy: *give reasons on how religion is demonstrably harmful and how religious people are voting for politicians that pass legislation based on their religious opinions Caller: … But surely there's still some people who do good things because of religion! Another unfortunate example of a mind that has been poisoned by religion. Whenever he hears all of the reasons why religion is not a force for good, he shuts off his brain and goes back to his assumption that religion is somehow fundamentally good.

[@shinjiplays2309]

This is exactly what atheists do. Nothing different.

[@barkYdarkATFB]

The shutting off of the brain is a practiced habit. It is taught in christianity, specifically in churches, that doubt is a sin against god. It’s what hindered me in concluding that I have no belief in a god. For years. I refused to investigate opposing views for fear that I was angering a god. It’s much easier to ignore the rationality that tries to creep in, and bombard those thoughts with scripture and prayer. It’s seemingly the right thing to do. It can be vicious.

[@ducnguyen-qv7sw]

I'm an atheist and not afraid to burn in hell! Here is my take on religions and religious nuts: in religion(s) said to be good and kind to people, but the religious nuts that are twisted and pushed their fanatic belief on people. these are 2 separate issues, but both got twisted together.

[@ottonormalverbrauch3794]

And I suspect his religious mind will not permit him to come back here to admit that you may have a point. The same reset or power cycle that puts them back on the 'religion is in essence good' track is also used to think that it is Matt first rodeo with a christian making a similar claim.

[@kennybachman35]

@@barkYdarkATFBthey indoctrinated you against thought crime. And it’s fascism on it’s face btw.

[@azayzelderegis1655]

That was actually a brilliant point by Matt in the beginning. I’m not aware of any religion that has only and will only convince people to do good things. In fact, every single one of them has convinced people to do bad things in the name of their religion 😂. That’s pretty objectively bad.

[@pidayrocks2235]

I’ll revise this a bit because what it convinces people to do isn’t that important (we don’t hold an outside source responsible just because it “inspired” a bad action from a person, as long as that source didn’t directly state to do the bad thing). I’m the case of religions, though, they do directly espouse immoral nonsense/actions, so it’s no longer a matter of just interpretation or inspiration. But also, even if we invented a new religion right now that didn’t have immoral principles, even just telling people to believe something for which they don’t have evidentiary warrant IS HARMFUL, because A) of how it trains your brain, B) once you accept unwarranted beliefs, you serve as a cover for those who use that magic thinking to believe extremist stuff even if you yourself aren’t extremis by virtue of propping up a world in which we as a collective don’t need to critically examine our beliefs, C) all of our actions are informed by our beliefs and so holding unsubstantiated beliefs can affect even what some might consider mundane actions like how you vote, how you raise your children, how you influence others to think, etc. All of that to say - this means that any religion that involved magical thinking, even hypothetical ones that haven’t been invented yet, are harmful.

[@azayzelderegis1655]

@@pidayrocks2235 Absolutely.

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

So Annoying, EVERY SINGLE CALLER who avoids answering the questions and instantly moves on to another point, and then is asked to answer the question, and having to have Matt ask the question AGAIN, just PROVES THEY AREN"T LISTENING and just waiting for Matt to stop talking.

[@Tupelo927]

Very similar to conversations with my Trumper relatives.

[@JayMaverick]

It's a defense reaction when their crazy beliefs are under fire.

[@psychee1]

@@JayMaverick That's exactly what it is. And getting past that defense mechanism is difficult, and while it's up you won't get any information past it. It's like a roadblock/filter made to protect core beliefs from "attacks".

[@kennybachman35]

⁠@@psychee1you gotta ask them questions they don’t expect and disarm them. That roadblock is paper thin and if you ask the right questions they’ll start spilling their guts and divulging things they don’t really want you to know. Then when you’ve broken them down to a puddle of emotions, you hit them with the real straightforward questions and nail them to a wall. It’s how cops coerce confessions out of dumb people. Ask about their parents and family life, ask about their kids (if they have any) figure out how they became indoctrinated, and what kind of trauma they suffered and then pick it apart piece by piece.

[@grantm6514]

It's like playing chess against someone who clears all the pieces off the board and starts a new game every time they don't like the way the game is going.

[@joolding6022]

This might be one of your most succinct calls yet. So many good points in so little time.

[@kristofftaylovoski60]

" I am not a religious but I am spiritual"..... The 21st century state of mind......

[@user-pw6ei2mn7x]

I always laugh when I hear that said . 🍀🍀🍀

[@Off2theLandofOZ]

I said this for a long time without really believing it myself. It was more a mechanism to satiate religious family members and hide my true atheism.

[@tulpas93]

​@@Off2theLandofOZ Cool. Shitty that you felt the need to have to do it, but good on you for staying safe until you were ready to stand your ground! ❤

[@1020kerry]

I went through that period for a while. Now it seems silly

[@Governor1993]

Jimmy articulated himself very well and made great points! I love the way Jimmy explains his thoughts.

[@naeem3140]

Completely opposite from how mat speaks to people

[@Julian0101]

@@naeem3140 Nah, matt was pretty well articulated too. The caller though...

[@Governor1993]

@@naeem3140 unfortunately your right and it’s too bad.

[@Governor1993]

@@Julian0101 yes I agree to a point. The issue with Matt is once he gets frustrated it turns to name calling and cussing like at the end when he said “bye bitch”. It’s funny no doubt but still it happens with so many callers. I still enjoy watching Matt and his knowledge, intelligence, and debating skills are amazing.

[@Willie_Wahzoo]

@@Governor1993 This show is absolutely RUINED by that guy. I'd rather stick with a false religion where we all look like idiots but treat each other with respect and love than whatever this guy believes that makes it okay for him to throw temper-tantrums. What a joke.

[@Itswayningout]

When I quit looking for God I started looking for happiness and I actually found it

[@Dan_C604]

Matt is right on! How can someone believe something without caring if it is true or not??

[@thomasdoubting]

"Be good to one another or fock off!" The Gospel according to Thomas Doubting 1:1

[@chadrasmussen1154]

Lol

[@gadfly149]

Regarding the prison scenario: During my soldier training, church was offered but optional. However, everyone went (including atheist me). Why? Because you could have coffee and pastries at church. Classic brimstone before soup stuff.

[@nealgrimes4382]

Ha that reminds me of when i was in prison, and lots of people went to church on sunday, mostly because it got you out of your Cell into a big airy building and you got coffee and biscuits.

[@laxxrick]

That wasn’t fighting back, that was an annihilation.

[@CopperRyeGuy]

Here for the clips! Love seeing y'all push back against bad thinks 👌

[@swim610]

Matt is 100% right about not believing a lie and living it in the hopes it's correct. After watching this show for hours, my critical thinking has increased. My church taught diachonemys in the faith as the mystery of God. But really its the delusion of religion. I don't go and gas light my brain every Sunday and I know I'll be a better human for it.

[@freakishuproar1168]

As an Anglobonger who grew up in an extremely secular household/community, it's always interesting to me to hear Americans (obviously not all Americans of course, but more than enough of you) jokingly compare their religious upbringings, with Eric saying "I grew up Pentecostal, they're the crazy ones!" as Jimmy jokingly retorts "I was a Mormon, come at me bro!". The English don't really need religion in order to be spectacularly stupid and terrible ;p On the one hand it's quite funny seeing you folks swap relatable stories, Christian denominations being a thing-in-common for many Americans, but on the other hand I feel sorry that so many of you have to go through that. I know not all religious upbringings are going to be traumatic or abusive or whatever, but as somebody who is (and will likely forever be) an outsider to theism, I find it so heart-breaking and alien to contend with.

[@cooscoe]

Damn this is a powerful episode! Thank you! People need to stop using this as a defense for religion.

[@50_foot_punch99]

Jimmy Snow is amazing. He can really make you understand when he needs to and he can shut you down when he has to.

[@susiedawson3349]

Great clip!! Love Matt and Jimmy.

[@jimsmith3029]

Great call, all around.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Religion is a belief in supernatural beings that never appear in public but arise inside the human brain.

[@1020kerry]

I prefer wizards 🧙

[@jaidev777]

A lot of people say "What's the harm though? Let people believe what they want, believing in God helps them." The problem is that if you let yourself believe things without appropriate evidence (and most often without _any_ evidence), you are not only inviting delusions that _try_ to be beneficial, but suffering as well -- but since a religious mindset just believes and doesn't question/inquire, those drawbacks won't be addressed, or even acknowledged. At best, the suffering it invites can simply be _reframed_ with religious narratives to once more justify them. Imagine if your family members get cancer, you tell yourself "It's OK, it's just God's way of saying it's their time to go to Heaven. And the tumors, they are like God's blessings. They are there to _help_ my loved ones go. It is simply the body of this current life reacting to the blessings of God. Yes, now I feel better when I see these tumors! They're just God's sign." Yes now _you_ feel better. And the victims, if they claim to believe enough, claim to feel better too (except of course, those who don't But then you can just say "well that's your fault for not believing enough"). You just have to make sure _everyone_ is _exactly_ on the same page of this incredible level of self-convincing _against_ what every fact in the actual world is telling them. What are rational results of that sort of belief? Well, one might then be inclined to _let cancer run rampant_ on their loved ones -- all the suffering included with a slow death (because "God made your life, if you don't let it run its course naturally then it is an insult to God! You are suffering for a reason, it must be good, because God must know what he's doing.") instead of seeking treatment or even advocating for a cure. Because now, cancer is equated with "God's will." Hell, one can say "It is a test from God. If you love God enough, you will suffer through it and die slowly. Do not offend God!" Which of course leads to the question: Why is God so cruel and selfish then? But then again, plenty of religious narrative that tries (and actually fails) to justify it - but remember, you can't question. Just believe, and don't think about the fact that it just gets worse and worse. Chant and sing loud enough so you can't hear the world around you. Or, simply ask "Wait, what?" recognize that this whole God and religion thing involves narrative upon narrative upon narrative tacked up on each other to frantically and poorly patchwork plug the growing holes on your ship. Start with a new one, one that's properly built and designed to properly navigate the cold reality of the world instead of pretending.

[@thomasstuart6861]

You suggest believing in God for a magical cure is not associated with reality and could prevent the drive required to actually find a cure. I doubt it. Firstly, I had Lymphoma last year and banged the gong signifying cured. The magic is in the people who care. While I don't believe in prayer, I do believe in the goodness of people who pray. The science and new age reasoning, thinking electrons, double slits, uncertainty and Schrodinger's cat, who can say what consciousness is capable of. However, I agree with you, what kind of people would heaven be filled with if they all, everyone of them fails at reasoning and runs away from the truth for fear of something, is it fear of not being loved of fear of hell, who knows? I should tell you that I know there is a God. What I know of the world, it sucks. Just days ago the Doc tells me he thinks I have colorectal cancer and my property taxes went up 50%. The only logic I can put together is that what we believe of religion is mostly wrong excepting for the basics, treat others the way you want to be treated. All of a sudden that's not enough and religious grifters come along to sort it out. That's the best I can figure because it just makes no sense. You ask why the world sucks when God claims he loves you. Well, maybe you don't give them an erection. I think the point is that time is forever, that life on earth is an experience and that there is an after, after and after life. Somebody in power will see that eventually you will be cared for and will not fail to ensure it. But the caveat is, life is very real and not just a good simulation. What happens in this life is carried over into another for the persons own benefit. If they get ahead of you, don't be jealous.

[@vedymin7]

Thanks for this comment, helped me clarify some thoughts.

[@johnsperry9494]

“To someone with faith, no explanation is necessary. To someone without faith, no explanation is possible.” -- Thomas Aquinas. (Translation: If you’re gullible, you’ll believe it. If you require evidence, too bad, there isn’t any.) Atheism makes no assertions or claims and has nothing to prove or defend.

[@PigRipperLAW]

Prison isn’t about making people better.

[@TukikoTroy]

It is in civilised countries.

[@TraderTimmy]

Prison is punishment for crimes. Reform is an afterthought.

[@TukikoTroy]

@@TraderTimmy Like I said, not in civilised countries. Unlike the US, the punishment in civilised countries is for the offender to be removed from the general population, the job of the prison and its staff is then to help rehabilitate the prisoner. In the US it's all about revenge. The prisoners are treated brutally and so leave prison brutalised. The recidivism rate in the US is enormous, whereas in in countries that practice rehabilitation the Recidivism rate is much lower.

[@lucianofrancesco4742]

It should be.

[@jowen001]

It should be. It is in Norway. But in the US, it's absolutely about punishment

[@Truth-Be-Told-USA]

Before cameras and technology there was the beginnings of multiple religions

[@babooll5632]

There is no tangible evidence to prove any god, anywhere. Some people fear their invisible friend while claiming to love him. Strange phenomenon

[@nature_guy77]

I love my kids... without fearing them...I must me magic 😂

[@brianmonks8657]

I find the idea that some people need to believe in lies in order to do what they already know is right, to be just sad, especially if it's true.

[@ProtovoxMedia]

I love a good clip. Love clips

[@tekbarrier]

"As long as you're not hurting anyone else with your beliefs..." How many countless thousands of people throughout history have done harmful things to other people in the name of religion because they thought they were doing something good?

[@m.b.g.musicproduction9658]

I have never respected Matt and Jimmy more than now......What a masterclass in pointing out how religion poisons good people..........!

[@ChristianIce]

That escalated quickly :) I don't like the way Matt handled this specific call. It sounds to me that the guy is on a path to reject religion, and it's just not far enough. He's at the point when you reject a religion and you build your own. The best way to help in this situation is to show that you are using your subjective morality, removing the "god" element is the next step, when you realize it's not needed in the equation. Also, the caller is right when he says that people can use religion as a base to be good persons. They can use also Star Trek to do that, so all you need to explain is that it's your brain making you a better person, doesn't matter the sci-fi you think you are using.

[@MarkJones-fw3mo]

People hate to have their assumptions challenged.

[@k45207]

I’m fairly new to the line I’d really liked ro hear the story behind jimmy creating the network because it is very impressive, it really is next level it’s hard to even compare to similar shows.

[@1020kerry]

Jimmy rock

[@wechsler-2020]

Funniest ending to a call in ages...

[@TrulyZer0]

Here for the typo

[@TrulyZer0]

Don't worry, I'll still watch the whole thing. Gotta get those stats up!

[@andrewsm00]

Same. Lol

[@tremas3329]

As thiests like to make up words or new usages of them to make a point, and not having listened to the whole think yet. It may not be a typo.

[@brucebaker810]

Come for the typo. Stay for the lower third graphics.

[@Lauren_P_]

Back when my PTSD wasn’t as bad, I’d call an anxiety session that could lead up to a panic attack “having too much to think.”

[@ivanl.6797]

I've been an atheist for over 30 years, and experience in my field. If we are committed to the truth in principle, our approach to deconversion would be oriented by proven methods to accomplish a goal. If our goal is to deconvert, and our obstacle is rooted in psychological loopholes triggered by poking the problem, we might want to approach it from a "therapy" angle. Therapy has proven to help people out of mental locks that limit their potential. What we see in that video is a caller on the fence about religion, employing these behaviors of denial when approaching a critical question. We know these are triggered by a sense of stress caused by the possibility of being wrong, about losing out, etc... at that point.. If our goal is to help them deconvert, then we want their brain to engage. We want them to be able to let their guard down. This is how I would rephrase my approach when those questions face those obstacles. "I know this is an uncomfortable question because it seems like I am asking you to say X cannot be good in a limited Y, but it's not, I am asking you to tell me if it's better to be good and truthful or good and untruthful? Imagine freedom from mental oppression and the social constraints imposed by the people who surround them. Imagine making it OK to admit wrong. "If god was so good, he would prefer you to be honest."

[@ahh_yes_mr_bax]

*Gets called out for not listening* *whines about getting called out* Hosts: “okay bitch, bye.” Perfect response, in my opinion

[@emptybucket1988]

Why do some people think that they need religion to be good human being wtf 😒

[@chrishitch319]

They’ve been indoctrinated/fooled/brainwashed/convinced by religious ppl that they are intertwined or mutually exclusive when they are NOT. Morality does NOT come from religion or from believing a god/deity exists. Morality comes from ppl not wanting to cause, or reducing, unnecessary harm to other conscious living beings/creatures/people, with a slight favorability/priority towards our fellow humans (a bit of speciesism)

[@galvatrontimewars]

Jimmy’s hair grew back fast

[@jaymorgan7728]

The bald Jimmy is actually Timmy. His evil twin.

[@Governor1993]

@@jaymorgan7728 ha ha ha that’s awesome!

[@Danny451]

And this "god" character knows how many hairs we have on our heads. 🤣

[@21mushroomcupcakes33]

Protein.

[@Bbarfo]

Having worked in a prison for 26 years I saw many "temporary" religious conversions among inmates and not just in Christianity, most of which didn't last long. Matt says, "voting your personal agenda"...... but that is not ammunition in this argument as it is the mechanism in place with both sides of a particular policy.

[@dj33036]

Thanks Matt, I needed that.

[@hardergamer]

My brain is still pondering over what Jimmy said...

[@mistyhaney5565]

I find it difficult to view religion as something that can be seen as positive. Even if a completely new religion was introduced that didn't involve viewing women and children as property, and didn't justify the rights of the ruling class to rule, that didn't introduce class systems that last for thousands of years, it would still be a guide to behavior without thought. I believe it is better to make decisions on what behavior you choose to engage in, rather than mindlessly accept instruction mindlessly.

[@landsgevaer]

"Dogma is bad!" ⬆️ not a dogma

[@marcusreading3783]

@@TheSnoeedog Possibly, but pretty much by definition, if there was a religion based around a god like that, you would end up being doomed because you failed the test.

[@Frynge357]

pretty sure you lost him as soon as it became about truth.

[@jameshicks7125]

From my perspective as a psychoanalyst/philosopher, there is a very small sliver of religious activity that has useful psychological benefit. The majority of religionists/theists use religion to sublimate their own neurosis, personality disorders or other aspects of mental illness. It's better to be a neurotic, as one is in a much better position to get out of religion or reinvent the positive social aspects of it. For most, religion appeals to our infantile preverbal, early verbal and social object relations as a means to sublimate unhealed early psychological wounds, splits or fractures around early attachments like safety, security, comfort and certainty with their parental object relations . For others who experienced trauma early in life, religion serves as means of suppression and repression of a barred subject. The degree of all these unconscious artifacts corresponds to the degree of resistance that a religionist/theist presents. Religion also acts as a placeholder for self-identity. The individual usually has an incomplete, diffuse or fractured identity. In other words they can't tell you who they are without religion.

[@gobob2220]

Why do theist dance around the room and refuse to answer?

[@bdpickett]

Because they know that the answers will severely undermine their points.

[@ShutUpWesley]

There is something completely wrong and gross in getting a religious add, while watching this. Don't remember ever getting an atheist add, while watching a religious channel 🤔

[@emptybucket1988]

Case of point

[@AbleAnderson]

Matt visibly squirming when Jimmy tries telling this guy about how respectful they try to be and how they don’t just yell at callers. LOL Matt’s forehead started sweating and he smirked

[@Vaishino]

If religion isn't true, why is Jimmy dressed like an angel from Kevin Smith's Dogma? Checkmate atheists.

[@adriangeh6414]

I miss pr pastor george carlin and god (alanis morisette)

[@Governor1993]

Lol!

[@adammitchel3374]

Makes me think of the letter from buringham jail. Nothing is worse than the fence sitter centrist. This guy gives me that vibe.

[@vincentking2552]

Yes, people have changed or found Religion and it's made them a better person....but so has secular therapy based programs, so has becoming an atheist. Check, ive even met people that has become better humans by becoming polyamorous because theres a lot of introspection in it.

[@TheAstraeuss]

I think you missed the point. It isn't religion or polyamory or whatever that "made" them better people, they made themselves better people. People need to start giving themselves credit for the changes they make in their lives and not to some external amorphous source.

[@shinjiplays2309]

I'm not seeing this reality statistically speaking to any significance. Christianity brings real positive change. People becoming atheists, I have not seen positive change. Just an increased narcissism and inflation of the ego

[@Spaztastica]

​@@shinjiplays2309 if you really think this is true, you must not know very many atheists. I know way more non-believers that would do almost anything to help somebody out, and truly care for the downtrodden way more than the Christians I know.

[@Spaztastica]

​@@colinsmith1288 Even if this were true, I think it would just be a case of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Church brainwashes a large portion of it's members into thinking that your mental health will improve if you simply pray enough, and you think therapy is close to a sin, you're not going to get therapy. Therefore, it would make sense that people who don't go to church would be more likely to go to therapy and get medication if they need it, since there'd be much less of a stigma around it.

[@shinjiplays2309]

@Spaztastica sorry, the truth hurts. I know it's hard to accept. Really ironic in this community

[@Puyax01]

Great ending 😂

[@freedomofmusic2112]

I feel bad that Jimmy & Matt have to suffer for our entertainment, but I learn a lot from their convos. I think this caller was a perfect example of how we can rationalize anything that we want to believe, so much so we can become completely devoid of self-awareness and critical thinking as long as it means our believe-ees get to remain intact.

[@think_of_a_storyboard3635]

jimmy looks completely different

[@mstalcup]

The survival and health of humanity is degraded if individuals convince themselves that auto-deception is virtuous. Indeed such is the case unless the individual has a modicum of appreciation of the utility afforded by reasoned, ordered thinking.

[@smochygrice465]

Matt D ❤❤❤

[@shannonfreeman1]

Religion is divisive and extremely judgemental of anything or anyone who doesn't believe or see their view. Religion is dangerous to humanity.

[@Astrohead824]

What is the debate Matt is referring too that he had on friday night about islam?

[@markcoleman1011]

WELL SAID n EXPLAINED JIMMY, BRILLIANT, from the 12 minute til the 14 minute point, ... n ERIC STILL DIDNT LISTEN.. COULDN'T have been explained bettererer

[@XxjosemitoxX]

I LOVE YOU MATT 😭

[@armandolarade7861]

There's nothing wrong with hoping that there might be something after life but it could be something that is not at all what we have been led to believe, thing is, nobody knows and we can only truly find out when we croak...I just don't believe in any of the religions that we get to pick from at this point.

[@kimberlybaldridge5767]

My husband is doing life in prison. He is working on himself all the time. He does not need a god to "learn morals". He has the love of his family for support.

[@antonakesson]

Doing life? What did he do to warrent that?

[@HarderTime89]

If some weird shit happened on call and each person is having an experience while on call would be good evidence. Like if both Matt and snow started freaking out like some old testament angel appears in their rooms... That would be good evidence. Alas nothing like that can or will happen.

[@joshkresnik6402]

From my understanding, roughly, the same amount of people do good and bad things regardless of whether or not they have a religion, and I might be off by some margin I don’t know, but being how religion cannot be proven true or false I don’t see any reason to follow religion and I do good because I know right from wrong and I don’t need a God or religion to tell me that And I don’t feel like it’s a necessity

[@PhilSophia-ox7ep]

Ah yes, screaming on Facebook is bad, but screaming at callers good.

[@JackSparrow-lj4fq]

Do you like to be misrepresented?

[@PhilSophia-ox7ep]

@@JackSparrow-lj4fq No, I don't like it. But my first reaction isn't to scream like an idiot when it's due to the sheer stupidity of the caller.

[@Anastaecia]

It seems most people that believe in an afterlife don't care as much about the heaven and hell aspect compared to whether or not they will see their loved ones.

[@Danny451]

"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth. The FORMER things will NOT BE REMEMBERED, or come to mind." -Isaiah 65:17. That could be interpreted as you won't remember your family, or they won't come to mind.

[@mikefixac]

At 5:15 the host makes a salient argument for wanting to know the truth. Bertrand Russell makes the same point too, saying that we no longer value truth and it's OK to have a muddled thinking process. Why would that be? Because our instincts dictate it's more important to be part of the tribe (even though they're wrong) than to be right but excluded from the tribe.

[@CronoXpono]

If there's any doubt; THIS is why Matt, Jimmy et all seem less patient. Dude didn't hear SHIT, not a goddamn thing at the end of this call. They addressed it several times and dude still roughly summed it up as "well, it could lead to some good so who cares if it's true". Yikes.

[@terryriley8963]

Just imagine a Christian parole panel how their eyes would light up when a prisoner tells them he/she has found Jesus? I’m an atheist but if I ever ended up in prison I would surely find Jesus in prison if it was going to help me get out early. Of course I would end up with a Muslim parole panel, but I'm sure they would be able to convert me in the short time we would have together.

[@Mewse1203]

Religion in prison almost certainly makes things worse.

[@matthewshoemaker8086]

A man who does wrong and realizes his mistakes and wants to change and do good can do this without religion

[@tylersluys8599]

I thought Matt was kicked off of this show?

[@antonakesson]

What you are thinking of is the Athiest Experience after butting heads with the bosses. The Line is a seperate entity.

[@richardhedd3080]

I'm always hoping the hosts will ask 2 questions. Can bad people go to heaven and can good people go to hell? If their answer is yes then they have no good moral defense of their god. If their answer is no then they haven't read the bible, or they're being dishonest.

[@Imperial-Socialist]

That gets asked a lot, and the majority of theists fail the test.

[@capthavic]

Whenever a caller says they used to be an atheist and are now a theist it's either a lie or they had just as bad reasoning for being atheist. If your reasoning is "I'd like it to be true" or "I don't think it's hurting anyone" that's just a tacit admission you don't care about truth or how to find it.

[@Jerrythebatman]

best thing i ever did for myself and mental health was leave religion

[@PalmBalms]

👍 Jimmy

[@TgarMask]

Something uniquely bad i think about Christianity in particular is the fact that as jesus saves us from sin as long as we repent and accept him as our saviour, we're forgiven. The problem i see here is that if you transgress someone, you seek forgiveness from god, not the person you've wronged. And god never talks to people so unlike people, he can't say no. So you can shed your guilt for wrongdoing because a crime against people can be forgiven by a god who will always forgive you

[@davidcattin7006]

The problem is what happens AFTER you open your mind to the impossible and the ridiculous (religion). It then becomes that much easier to buy into future nonsense (conspiracy theories, etc.).

[@joegillian314]

This guy did NOT want to accept that his point is totally invalid, lol.

[@nicholas8479]

They should have given the caller specific examples of how religion has harmed society. Sounds like the caller honestly didn't know.

[@dwightfitch3120]

Maybe the caller hasn’t read much history

[@JamesIsAsleep]

What did my dude say at the end before Matt hung up on him? 😂

[@Byrvurra]

He passively aggressively whined that Matt should hang up on him, which it turns out is a great way to get Matt to hang up on you.

[@maddyc2412]

He was actually being pretty reasonable, he wanted to ask more questions, Matt needs to be more patient

[@mikefixac]

could someone explain the he him she her stuff to me please

[@Imperial-Socialist]

You don't know what pronouns are? That is 1st grade English.

[@ajcoetzer4711]

Sometimes I wish Matt was a little nicer lol, but it's understandable when almost every single caller seems to avoid questions

[@PhilSophia-ox7ep]

His own pals avoid questions all the time. That doesn't give people a right to race to anger. I'm currently in a conversation with Aron Ra on his channel. I've asked him the same two questions probably 10 times without him answering them directly. I didn't explode in fuming anger at him.

[@ChristianIce]

Yep, this one didn't deserve the "Matt treatment". As an ex-christian I understand where this guy is. I was there and also Matt was there. The first thing that happens when you reject religion is to make excuse for the "god" concept and build a framework where it can still exist. It's a process, and Matt didn't help it.

[@Chonoryokusha]

Richard Reid converted to Islam while in prison, and this led him to attempt to blow up an airliner with a bomb hidden in his shoes.

[@RoninTF2011]

yeah but he didn't have the real(TM) religion ! ...just jocking, but that be the relitards usual "argument"

[@rohnleidigh213]

Religion gives the imbeciles of the world all the reasons to hypocritically judge, hate and discriminate against others and feel righteous and high and mighty in the process.

[@gliblyaware]

Jimmy was nailing it down the stretch, and I totally understand Matt's frustration in his final "goodbye" comment. 😂

[@vilkoskorlich259]

Atheists, imagine this: tomorrow Jesus appears from the sky in Jerusalem and says: "Real Christians can go to heaven right away, but false Christians and Atheists must pray really hard or they'll go to hell". What would happen and what would you do? He would never get that far. He’d be blown up in mid air by Israeli air defense missiles. Don’t forget, most Israelis come from white, northern European stock. They would see Jesus as Palestinian. And what would I do? Nothing. Because it wouldn’t make the news.

[@russbroda7207]

Religion is a crutch that is good when you’re under lots of stress and feel isolated. It can help you keep slugging on.

[@emptybucket1988]

He is allowed to vote 🗳 😢

[@joearnold6881]

Prisoners “reform” in prison because, firstly it’s already almost entirely religious people in prison, and secondly they all, even the non-religious ones, know that parole boards look kindly on people who supposedly found god. Our prison system doesn’t reform people. It solely punishes, and generally makes them worse. Since the vast, vast majority of people in prison are not in for life and will out walking around… maybe we ought to do something about that. (

[@scottbrierley6183]

Yeah fuck the victims let’s be nice to prisoners

[@JasonFriedmanHTX]

Prison?? Oh man…

[@smartbart80]

This show is becoming “How fast can you cross Matt’s line” show. Someone calculate the ratio of Matt being annoyed to Matt trying to say something constructive lol

[@jusjohnson6410]

Or is it becoming how fast can a caller say something utterly ridiculous? Someone calculate the ratio of myths and jibberish to logical thought and evidence!

[@smartbart80]

@@jusjohnson6410 Or how fast can a caller remind Matt about himself and how he used to be gullible so instead of being rewarded for the intellectual instinct of wanting to engage in conversation the theist gets tangled up in some personal vendetta against irrational thinking :)

[@zer0set721]

Starts off by saying they want to encourage people and be open and welcoming to those caught up in religion. Ends by calling the caller a "bitch" because he can't find a way to agree with them. Sounded a lot like the caller was looking for a way out of his ideas on religion. And like a lot of religious folks who are actually indoctrinated into a cult, the caller needed support and not Matt's typical anger and derision. I wonder if Jimmy Snow cussed people out before he started working with Matt. Or if Jimmy cusses and derides people when he "collabs", (is it really too much to say the entire word?), with other podcasters. These two are so angry, they often just come at this from pain and trauma and in the end cause even more trauma, sometimes, than good.

[@juliacoburn7455]

I got rid of religion in my life long ago. . I still have a God... I didn't throw baby with bathwater out. All is well.

[@thejudgmentalcat]

Pretty sure the "typo" isn't really

[@ragg232]

It'd definitely be funny if it was intentional

[@gowdsake7103]

Atheist experience lost a great with Matt Erik 100 percent wishy washy