This Was The Worst Year of Comic Book Movies Ever

[@erichtomanek4739]

Bad writing. Bad acting. Bad CGI. This is why the comic book movie declined.

[@kyotheman69]

pretty much, even its good these movies some reason super expensive i don't think it would of held that long even if movies stayed good

[@maxmazzotti6651]

They rush them to meet deadline

[@ScarecrOmega]

Other than Deadpool/Wolverine no one asked for these movies to be made, the studios trying to force the audience to pay for forgettable trash......Madame Web, Spiderman-less-villains and Joker musical? the writing was on the wall before the year began.

[@lasombrashadow7859]

And totally rethinking character backstories ie kraven the hunter

[@madmartian2]

Mostly bad writing I think. The stories are the beginning of it all. Good writing will get better talent attached, which will get more money, which SHOULD get better CGI. And never leave out studio interference. Test audiences should mean far less than a writer and director with and actual vision.

[@seanmcclure]

I get so sick of the media narrative of genre fatigue. They destroy our characters. They swap genders and races. They put preachy messaging into the movies. They scream and yell at their fans. They blame us for their failures. If you want to use fatigue, that is what we are tired of.

[@JacobPaul-ix7oc]

You were always meant to reject woke media. (That is, you were never meant to accept Cultural Marxism in media.) The reaction you described was the intention from the beginning. Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what is actually desired. From BBC Arts Eighty years ago, in Munich, Adolf Hitler staged two exhibitions which defined the way we think about modern art. The Great German Art show displayed the artists he approved of, the Degenerate Art show displayed the artists he despised. In these two exhibitions, mounted side by side in adjacent galleries, the battle lines were drawn between traditionalism and modernism. It’s a battle that’s still being fought today. Do you like art that’s realistic and reassuring? Or do you prefer art that’s experimental or disturbing? Maybe you like a bit of both - in which case, you’re like a lot of people who went to see these shows. The Nazis wanted people to see both shows, but they didn’t want people to make up their own minds. The idea was to see the Degenerate Art show, and see how German art had been debased - and then see the Great German Art show, and see how the Nazis has redeemed it. You are meant to see how Liberal Marxists have degenerated art and look for someone to come along who would redeem it.

[@stellviahohenheim]

People will never get tired from watching movies, people only get "fatigued" if the movie is boring, preachy and repetitive

[@Dumbstuffwatcher]

​@@JacobPaul-ix7oc Jesus dude, what a confused and contradictory statement. Are you saying na&i stuff would be better than whatever you think is "woke?"

[@Roty24-f6s]

Name one superhero movie where this happened this year.

[@ConradAster]

I mean 2 things can be true. I was tired of the genre after Logan , and everything you mentioned kind of kept me "locked in" my fatigue...

[@VantasticJackson]

We aren't suffering from superhero fatigue. We're suffering from bad movie fatigue featuring heroes (or villains) adapted in horrible ways

[@rodrigoperalta822]

I think new media will start to be more grounded on realism, as it is easier to have good writing that way. Look at the batman and the penguin series. They're way more grounded than previous entries and they were total successes

[@StonedCabbage]

No we are suffering from superhero fatigue. There’s too many and the market is over saturated. If Hollywood released 15-20 WW2 movies over the past 10 years people would be saying that we have too many and are tired of revisiting the same genre. We need more good movies and that means less money spent making as many superhero films as possible

[@VantasticJackson]

@StonedCabbage in other words, you are disagreeing that there's a quantity not quality issue with superhero movies...by then agreeing that there is a quantity not quality issue?🤨

[@Clawed9]

Saying that Deadpool 3 took risks is a joke. Ironically funny

[@odindarkll3706]

Using X-Men characters isn't risky, yet Disney are so afraid to use them more.

[@haroldb1856]

Disney risked alienating the modern audience by making a movie with non-diverse, sympathetic lead characters.

[@Сайтамен]

@@haroldb1856 that audience doesn't watch their movies anyway. And this Deadpool is no longer sympathetic after he killed Nicepool for his guns.

[@wyattcole5452]

Deadpool 3 was not that good of a movie

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

What do you mean?

[@tylerbrester4617]

Fatigue isn't real. Movies just got terrible.

[@ephraimwinslow]

The fatigue is caused BY the terrible. They're half-right by accident. When you give people a SURFEIT of TERRIBLE examples of a given genre? Eventually? Their benefit of the doubt for (or even curiosity ABOUT) that genre craters. And it takes yeaaaars to build it back up.

[@Chrismw81]

@@tylerbrester4617 I believe that. If it was superhero fatigue, marketing gimmicks like No Way Home and Deadpool 3wouldn't be so successful. Unfortunately the big studios who own all the mainstream SH properties are too involved in the film making.

[@thoomolong]

​​@@ephraimwinslow If what you said was true, Deadpool and Wolverine would have bombed. The CMBs on this list bombed because no one cares about Sony's live action Sonyverse or trash no one asked for like the Crow or Joker 2.

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

Alot of people dont find comic book movies as appealing as they were.

[@ricniks4619]

Or studios who aren’t trying and just expect the movie to do well just because it’s a CBM either try to make something special or don’t try at all.

[@21palica]

Just because it's a new calendar year, doesn't mean that the superhero movies coming out in 2025. will be anything "new". It will take a few more years until all the crap is out of the pipeline. So, while we might get less of them, it doesn't mean superhero movies will get better.

[@Dadbod007]

Remaking the crow was so dumb. It wasn’t a popular movie at release. It slowly grew a cult following over years and years. If not for dvds that movie would have died.

[@archstanton9073]

DVD's didn't exist when it came out. The soundtrack and VHS built the following.

[@Cheez_Doodlezz]

Didn’t someone die on set when they filmed the Og one?

[@mx9226]

@@Cheez_Doodlezz Yes Bruce Lee’s son Brandon Lee.

[@haroldb1856]

It was lightning in a bottle. Every other Crow movie was awful.

[@TwoBs]

Wrong decade entirely lol. Back when this movie came out for renting or buying on VHS, Brandon’s passing was one of the biggest reasons why so many went out to rent it from the movie store - it became known as the movie where “Bruce Lee’s son died”. We didn’t have internet back then (well, we did, but nothing like we have today for every single home as dial-up wasn’t even a known thing yet) and not everyone was intertwined with movie and celebrity culture to know every single person or every movie that released. We did, however, all know who Bruce Lee was during that era. Hell, most I remember didn’t even know he had a son until after that movie came out and it was known he died on set … was one of those “holy shite, Bruce is a legend, he has a son that was acting that died on set for this very movie? we have to see this” Tack on the movie having a good soundtrack like someone else pointed out, it’s why it grew a supposed “cult following”. Didn’t take years and years and years like you’re claiming. You have to understand something when it comes to the idea of movies that came out in the 90s being labeled as having a “cult following” after its release: hardly any movies around that time had immediate big followings once hitting movie theaters (outside of certain blockbusters with big names actors or franchises well known by most). Almost all of them took time to have word of mouth travel about them being worthy of seeing. They often formed long _after_ … when the movie could be purchased on VHS. VHS releases for movies back then took a while to come out - up a year for a number of big movies, 6mos at the least for others. Soundtracks were similar. They’d come out some time after the movie hit theaters - wasn’t instant like we have today (and with what we’ve been spoiled with for the last 2 decades). Once it became available to rent/buy, THAT is where the supposed cult following came in … because more could just go to a local VHS store and rent it for a few days to watch several times. So many movies get immediately slapped with “it has a cult following” label so quickly it seems because it took a while for everyone to actually see it or because it didn’t do big numbers - it glosses over how movie releases were back then. Just saying. Doesn’t mean they were bad movies when they were in theater, nor does it mean they weren’t successful. It just took time with movies to find their following prior to the internet … which was normal for just about all movies from the 90s and earlier.

[@ranickhaan]

It isn’t just superhero movies, it’s almost all films. Hollywood is lazy, uncreative, predictable, and worse - preachy. I’d rather watch KZbin videos.

[@EntrEsprit]

all mainstream films you mean. whatever, there's an ocean of movies from the past and good new movies here and there

[@EquineDreams3]

If you think these were bad, and they were, wait until Captain Falcon and 2 hours of preaching. No thanks, MCU.

[@alextheblueman-reviewergam9655]

Not to forget watching Harrison Ford being dragged by Disney to their live action Schlock, for a 4th time.

[@rusty7984]

They were able to get The Marvels The Joker 2 ( not gonna say that title ) past test screenings but not Captain America Brave New World. Kinda says a lot

[@Darkington]

I think they scrapped most of that in the 3rd cut. It'll probably just be a regular trash fire like The Marvels.

[@merlinsteele6840]

“Do better Senator!”

[@stringer2295]

You caucasians are so hilarious

[@mikechujitsu]

Dr strange made me give up the MCU. Making Strange a baby sitter in his own movie is horrendous. Also destroying all of the great male superheroes but the mid female ones can go toe to toe with the Scarlet Witch with a shield. Fucking stupid

[@MioRaem]

On top, remember how they made SW one of the most irredeemable conts in the MCU. She was a villain's unknowing lackey for half a film. After that, she was a hero, she was an Avenger. For 3 movies straight. And suddenly, she becomes a raving mass murderer because her date got done in. Good luck trying to identify with that... in a movie where Strange was turned into the babysitter of a bumbling nobody teen we'll likely never see again in the MCU after the disaster that was The Marvels.

[@odindarkll3706]

Ah yes, Dr Strange MoM. Or as I like to call it: "Wandavision 2 Multiverse of Boredom feat. Dr Strange."

[@steveb9713]

Really disappointing after how good no way home was, didn’t watch one until dp&w

[@StonedCabbage]

Dr. strange was about the corniest shit I’ve ever seen.

[@rob-p9k]

The crow did so bad because people never wanted it, we didn't want them to tarnish Brandon's legacy. So we didn't even bother seeing it. I dont know if it's good or not. I don't care.

[@Itsberserkintime2024]

Plus, they could have literally adapt ANY other crow character instead of Eric, leaving Brandon's legacy intact

[@darrellcovello7917]

It's absolutely awful. 1/10

[@trevgauntletneu_gaming]

Unfortunately, you are right, the movie was bad.

[@Dr._GroovyDude]

It's awful. I'm a fan of the comic more than the movie (classic as it may be), so I'm open to new adaptations. This is Shaquille O'Neil Steel or Halley Berry Catwoman levels of poorly adapted and poorly written. It's genuinely worse than Borderlands or Joker 2 to the point I'd go so far as to say it's the worst movie of the year.

[@dontbeorbeevil]

People would give it credit if it was worth giving credit. The script killed it 3 times before it even started shooting. It would be better if they removed the actor altogether and changed the name to Crow, Shelly Story. So many bate and switch in the last 5 years. Nobody wants to see those "better" women who are so awesome and therefore must replace old male characters. Once this idea is introduced, it becomes incredibly hard to make not even a good move, a decent one. Ideology is toxic to moves. Possible for very talented directors, but since we live in the age of hacks, we have what we have

[@redbearington3345]

Feels like madam web came out 2 or 3 years ago

[@ephraimwinslow]

New releases have blended together for a while now because nobody actually sees them. lol

[@anubusx]

It feels like a film that was released in 2000.

[@drakegrandx5914]

Feels like it came out 20 years ago....

[@dontbeorbeevil]

That is because it was instant classic

[@Blast2224]

I’m a high school teacher. Teenagers hated Madame Web. They didn’t even acknowledge Kraven’s existence.

[@the-hooded-man]

I remember the days of being excited for a new MCU-movie. When Avengers Infinity War came out, I left the cinema with my head buzzing and wanting to talk about it non-stop. Those days are gone...😔

[@scottsummers4154]

Never thought Disney would tank a whole Marvel phase.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Sony should just put the towel down and end the universe, They literally created two of the *WORST* Superhero movies of all time in one year

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@archstanton9073]

I don't know about that. Look at those Captain American ones from the 80's (the ones with Reb Brown and JD Salinger's kid) or the last two Christopher Reeve Superman movies. As bad as Madame Web and Kraven are, they're aren't even close to the worst superhero movies ever made.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@archstanton9073They are some of the worst superhero movies of all time, they are like those 2000's horrible superhero movies like Catwoman

[@archstanton9073]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Hard disagree.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@archstanton9073How???? Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter are garbage movies, the performance at the Box office and critical and audience reception should tell you enough

[@tubey84]

How you make a Sydney Sweeney movie and effectively make her look flat chested is next level incompetence.

[@pistolbobcat420]

not incompetence, that's deliberate.

[@MarvinPowell1]

To be fair, she chose to do the role. And really, the movie started out completely different when she signed on; both Sweeney and Dakota Johnson said the script got torn to shreds in pre-production. Sweeney said she really only enjoyed the dream sequence scenes of being in the suit as Spider-Woman.

[@michaelreich4827]

​@@pistolbobcat420 Which makes what they wore on the red carpet even more baffling. That's the only thing people remember about the movie.

[@pistolbobcat420]

@@michaelreich4827 Sydney thought “we made a crap movie but I’ll turn to the premiere dressed to kill for the easy publicity”

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

@@MarvinPowell1”tO bE fAiR” 😒

[@SheldonAdama17]

Morbius: So bad it became a meme. Madame Web: So bad it was funny. Kraven: It’s just bad.

[@Vixorous]

If it was superhero fatigue, people would've stopped reading comic books decades ago. I'm not sick of superhero movies. I'm sick of mediocre superhero movies.

[@AnnaDraconida]

We went from Winter Soldier and Infinity War to screaming goat jokes and The Marvels. There you go!

[@mjolnir_swe]

Winter soldier was the last good Marvel movie imo.

[@chandelight59]

0:36 No fatigue, just bad movies. Don't spin the narrative any other way!

[@Fireclaw5588]

Marvel Rivals is proof that there was never any superhero fatigue people were just tired of dogshit movies

[@kevinthecleric]

Deadpool and Wolverine is proof that fatigue is not a thing. We just want good "fun" movies.

[@chandelight59]

@@kevinthecleric yep, also to be honest I hate supporting this kind of hate. Hate doesn't make anyone special, so I feel bad contributing to a guy called movie cynic with engagement. So lesson, try talking about things you enjoy.

[@brianclark1524]

These movie directors are members of the Kathleen Kennedy fan club

[@ParkerCS2]

Yep most likely

[@redjirachi1]

You give her too much credit treating her like the devil of modern Hollywood

[@BrianCinBengals]

It’s only going to get worse as long as people turn out to hate watch trash. The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2 just get further and further in the rear view mirror.

[@ephraimwinslow]

Westerns had a brief, explosive period of popularity... then just kinda turned into another sub genre that gets dusted off from time to time for either a lame cash-in or a genuine love letter. It'll happen to comic movies too. It's fine. We're better off on balance in the latter scenario.

[@kargetina]

We're never getting films like that again because auteurs like Nolan and Raimi (and Del Toro, i love Hellboy II) are not interested in the genre anymore, every contemporary comic book film is half a film and half a set-up for 5 more future projects. There's no room left for good old fashioned storytelling. You can watch The Dark Knight and Spider-Man 2 without any prior knowledge and you would get as much from them as someone who has seen Batman Begins and Spider-Man 1. And more importantly, they end in such a way that a sequel isn't really a requirement, with Batman driving up the ramp and Spidey swinging with MJ watching. They're self-contained, story-driven, and made with care. They're not episode 2 in a 20 episode season like all of these ''shared universes'' corporate products.

[@haroldb1856]

Hate watching won't pay the bills for $200M+ production budgets.

[@ravens-crypt]

Tomorrow is the first blank page of a 365-page book. Let’s hope DC and MCU Write a good one. Tho the bar isn’t very high.

[@dontworrybout2664]

They won’t. They’re already putting out a new Spider-Man show where they think race swapping the green goblin is a good way to increase views and spread the message. In a country that’s majority Caucasian, they force the message with 90% not. It’s jarring and that’s coming from someone who ain’t white. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@nickankhazali2995]

Superman, Thunderbolts and captain america brave new world all look fairly good

[@tardismatrix1973]

Im disliking this comment because of Captian America​@nickankhazali2995

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

​@nickankhazali2995 im putting my money on Superman more that others

[@MarvinPowell1]

@ravens-crypt Marvel has already destroyed The Fantastic Four with its dogsht casting and setting it in an alternate 1960s. The Thunderbolts is full of D-list characters no one cares about. What If? Season 3 was horrible and full of all of the characters we've all hated from phase 4 and 5 of Marvel. The X-Men/"The Mutants" is guaranteed to be horrible once they can start production. James Gunn has already ruined the DC universe with Creature Commandos, Mister Terrific, Hawkgirl, Krypto, and Damien Wayne before it's even begun. They cannot get out of their own way, and they _will_ fail every single thing they're trying. It pains me to see some of my favorite fictional characters destroyed and mutated like this. As if ten years of the Snyderverse wasn't bad enough. I am done with superhero movies at this point. They've won.

[@Skac01]

Back in the days when you had a $100 million movie that failed at the box office, everyone was losing their shit. The studio was on the verge of bankruptcy, actors' careers were ruined or derailed and people would talk about how big of a failure it was for years to come. Batman and Robin didn't even flop at the BO yet it almost ended the careers of all its main actors, with Chris O'Donnell and Alicia Silverstone never truly recovering, and almost ended comic book movies as a genre. Now they make a dozen $200 million movies that all fail in every aspect and nobody bats an eye, they just keep making more. Holy shit The Marvels had a budget of $370 million and made $200 million.

[@CoolGuyMcGruff]

Not just worst year, but worst YEARS. Literally only Deadpool and Guardians were the only saving grace's in the past 3yrs or so.

[@drakegrandx5914]

What about No Way Home and Across The Spider-Verse?

[@CoolGuyMcGruff]

@drakegrandx5914 wasn't they '20-ish, like right after endgame, right?

[@drakegrandx5914]

@@CoolGuyMcGruff It really speak of how much of a mess the current superhero movie panorama is... I thought No Way Home was 2022. Apparently, it's 2021 (though you did say "3 yrs _or so"_ therefore I'm counting it : P ). And I thought Across The Spider-Verse was 2021 or 2022. Dude... _it was 2023._ It speaks volume when a movie released so little time ago feels so distant... T-T

[@CoolGuyMcGruff]

@@drakegrandx5914 You ain't kidding. Time seems to be flying, especially when we realize how much crap they released altogether since Endgame. It's kinda a trip 😲

[@Zombiesnyder13]

AVI ARAD has ruined so far... * Borderlands * Kraven The Hunter * Daredevil (2003) * The Punisher (2004) * Elektra (2005) * Fantastic Four (2005) * X-Men: The Last Stand * Spider-Man 3 * Bratz (2007) * Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance * The Amazing Spider-Man 2 * Ghost in the Shell (2017) * Venom: Let There Be Carnage * Uncharted (2022) * Morbius * Venom: The Last Dance And now he's gonna ruin... * Legend of Zelda * Naruto As long as Arad lives, there's no hope

[@ParkerCS2]

Exactly 💯

[@Chrismw81]

@@Zombiesnyder13 I'm torn. How can a man who helped bring superheroes into Ninja Turtles and Star Wars level relevance with his action figures have such a terrible sense of film making? I love and hate him.

[@archstanton9073]

Hey! Thomas Jane was good as The Punisher!

[@Chrismw81]

@archstanton9073 he sure was. And studio interference held the film back and ruined our chances at a sequel. I'd still like to see him return, actually.

[@KSonic28YT]

I swear I’ve seen this comment like 20 times

[@Moray2023]

Deadpool and Wolverine was the best, but lets be honest it was a big downgrade from Logan, and a noticeable downgrade from the first 2 Deadpool films. The MCU aspects dragged it down.

[@EquineDreams3]

Ryan Reynolds schtick IS SO old! Hugh Jackman carried that movie.

[@pistolbobcat420]

I'm convinced disney forced him to break up Vanessa and Wade despite them being like, the entire point of the first two movies

[@ephraimwinslow]

Between the first 2 Bryan Singer X-Men, and Logan, I got everything I needed from Wolverine. And I read Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, so I got all I needed to from him about 100x over. I wasn't even remotely interested in hearing Ryan Reynolds make trite gay jokes @ Hugh Jackman.

[@benstanfill363]

I actually liked it better than Deadpool 2. I fucking hated the fat kid in the second one. That character annoyed me just looking at em, let alone the stupid dialogue. At least this one just tried giving a good time through. The plot was a plot, there was no great story or anything, but it was funny and felt good to watch. Don’t think I’d care for any more of them at this point though.

[@AnnaDraconida]

The TVA multiverse BS nearly killed the film for me. Blade appearing and the acting by HJ were the best things about it.

[@bottleofgreed4415]

I bought a ticket for Joker 2, then got so hungover before the movie that I couldn't attend

[@ThunderBow98]

Super hero fatigue isn’t real, but bad movie fatigue is

[@nicolasmenendezsarries6786]

There's not superhero movies fatigue, I think. Industry is just releasing shitty films that no one could like. Kraven, Joker 2 and Madame Web would have never been a success, neither in 2024 or 2014.

[@elitronprime7322]

Only one island in a sea of piss was spared from the tidal wave

[@HC-cb4yp]

No - that guy committed suicide after Jerry beat his ass.

[@frankowalker4662]

I can't see it improving next year. 🎉Happy New Year Everybody🎉

[@lJ0blixen]

It will take a decade to catch up but it doesn’t matter, I do not support in any way those who told me to screw my freedoms over a cold and telling me I am racist or a phobe of some kind The down with democracy for Kamala loser avenger and the rest of the supporting celebrities Celebrities that celebrated someone being shot Or those who told me time and time again how much they loath me Apathy is lovely

[@TheMovieCynic]

Happy New Year!

[@frankowalker4662]

@@TheMovieCynic Thank you again for last nights 7 1/2 hour stream. It was so much fun.

[@Fluoride_Jones]

I'm 45 years old, and I saw three movies in theaters this year. This is the least amount I've seen my whole life, since around 6 years of age. Even in 2020, I saw more movies than that, and they were all films from the '80s. Granted, I really enjoyed the three films I saw this year ("MaXXXine," "Deadpool & Wolverine" and "Terrifier 3"), but it just feels as though I have film fatigue, in general. They don't make 'em like they used to.

[@blank8460]

I have not seen a single one of these

[@_BhagavadGita]

Soul brother

[@mikeswiental4815]

Baloney= it is "DEI" that is killing these movies, not " superhero fatigue" and the DEI extends to terrible writers and directors where we see plot holes, hate towards males, mary sues,= i was going to go see the joker when i read the female DEI hire brag- " we mad this movie to stick it to the Joker fans"= i never went and it turned out, it was like She Hulk= made to mock men and comic book fans rather than entertain

[@Austin-l1j]

Yup

[@marcusclark1339]

yup and its so apparent how DEI ruins things yet they keep pushing

[@michaelreich4827]

One of the biggest problems is/are the TV shows that are "homework". If you missed a movie up to Endgame, you could catch up in a few hours. You miss something now, and you'll have to binge 2-3 shows and 1-2 movies to get up to speed.

[@wallygator92]

There was also Hellboy the Crooked Man, which also wasn't well received.

[@danielkeizer4174]

It's more like hollywierd doesn't understand what comics are and how superheroes or even worse anti heroes work. It's not that difficult. Give the people what they long for. Fan service isn't necessarily nostalgia bait. Deadpool gave the people the wolverine they had been begging for. If they had made a really dark and gritty punisher or an actual revenge driven psychopath Venom they could've sold way more tickets. They just don't want to take any risks and try to be formulaic. Instead of treating each character like they have their own personality you get carbon copies of one archetype. It's the downfall of th character because they don't understand the source material.

[@chadisnotachad]

"comic book movies are dying" "They don't take chances anymore" "Why don't we get anything but sequels and remakes" We've been watching the same videos since like 2016

[@AleskyWestal]

For real. People say the same shit over and over. I feel like I've seen someone saying that line about "superheroes are the new western, and audiences have lost interest" once a year, every year since 2017, and it never happens.

[@yahshaunyahu]

There's no such thing as "super hero fatigue'. The problem is POOR WRITING

[@Swordslinger-hb1ns]

This is why I’m not seeing that DC Superman reboot. I’m just sick and tired of crap comic book adaptation films.

[@MrComfysleep]

To the directors and writers: Give us what we want, stop trying to please the tik tok and OF generation. The smart people are the ones you should please, because we are the ones who make the world turn

[@tranquilthoughts7233]

Here's my idea for a joker 2 that i threw together within an hour or so. Start out with a montage of the joker at the head of his clown possy rampaging through gotham city, causing chaos wherever he goes and absolutly loving every single second of it. Then we meet our main character, a detective of the gotham police tasked with leading the anti-joker task force. Let's call him Joe. Joe is a career officer and pretty much the epitome of an upper middle class citizen. He genuinly believes that everybody in society has equal chances to succeed and if you just work hard and follow the law you will succeed in society. And he knows that to be true because he is the result of that. However, he also holds the typical subtextual ideas that poverty or criminality are the result of a moral failing. He also has a wife and child that work as his emotional anchor throughout the movie. We also see him give advice to his child to get over a difficult situation and the adivce is something vacuous like "laughing is the best medicine" or something along the lines. Now joe is under severe pressure from the mayor as well as the police chief because he has so much trouble catching the joker. Primarily because the joker is so utterly unpredictable. Over the first half of the movie we follow joe as he tries to catch the joker, investigates the crime scenes, interrogate captured members of the clown possy etc etc. The main focus is here on joe and his journey into the darkness of the underside of society and his struggles to get what he learns there together with his deeply held believes about fairness and the law. And we see him slowly crack. Now it's important here to not try and portray joker and his clown possy as some kind of antihero or their actions as some kind of resistance movement. They are just as evil and uncaring as the system they rage against. Anyway, joe slowly manages to corner the joker and finally manages to arrest the joker. The joker is then put on trial and quickly senetnced to death. The joker than gets some epic last words raging against the system and says something along the lines of "madness is just one tragedy away" and "the joker" being immortal. He then is electrocuted while laughing the joker laugh. The important part here is that we see all of this through the eyes of joe. The last third or so of the movie we watch joe back in his job and while he appears to be normal, we see him being deeply affected by his experiences on the underside of society. The clown possy is still out there but now they are leaderless and fracture. They are still causing unrest but they can't do much damage anymore due to lacking a leader. Then joes wife and child die some random death. Maybe in a car accident where the driver gets away and we never learn who it was. And that send joe down a in a rapid downward spiral. He gets thrown out of the police force because of some mental problem he developed as a result of the sudden death of his loved ones, he loses all help etc. We then see him stumble aimlessly through a street, the passerbys avoiding him, mocking him and maybe throwing stuff at him. He stumbles onto the graveyard to the grave of his wife and child. There he has a hallucination of his wife and child in which his child repeats the advice he gave his child in the beginning of the movie "laughing is the best medicine". He then breaks down, promises his child to always laugh and carves the joker smile into his face while laughing. In the endscene we see a group of clowns hanging out in some warehouse or something like that when suddenly the light goes out. We hear laughter, one of the clowns takes out a flashlight an shines it around until the light lands on joe, now in a joker outfit with his joker smile carved into his face and laughing. The clowns are taken aback at first one of them exclaiming "How?" and joe, the new joker repeating the final words of arthur fleck. "The joker is immortal". More laughing, now with the clowns joining in. I'd say it's not great but for something thrown together in around an hour quite serviceable. It needs a truly spectacular actor for the role of joe though and i think it's probably gonna be quite difficult to pull off right.

[@OharaRiley]

Cant scream Super hero fatigue when people are Anticipating The Batman 2 Superman and Spiderverse 3 people are tired of shitty cash grab comic book movies

[@ibra.houdini]

500k by the end of 2025, good work man. happy new year!

[@jessewright8930]

The Penguin was legendary though

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

But it’s a show, not a movie.

[@jessewright8930]

@ yea I know I said that to myself when I posted it lol but I decided not to delete🤷🏾‍♂️

[@haroldb1856]

Audiences didn't get fatigued by movies. Studios got tired of audiences.

[@johnrodgers2171]

There's enough older movies, shows and games that I haven't yet experienced. I really don't care if Hollywood self destructs

[@NolaNerd]

I do not have super hero fatigue. I do not have comicbook movie fatigue. I will always have interest for comicbook book movies until I die, but if they are bad movies, I just simply will not spend my money to see them. Easy solution.

[@P.Whitestrake]

"You have to do better, 2024!" Captain Falcon

[@supermodestmouse]

madam web was not just one of the worst movies of the year, it was one of the worst comic movies of all time (right there with the crow)

[@KenDAKL4ever]

2023: Antman 3, Shazam 2, The Flash, Blue Beetle, The Marvels, Aquaman 2. That's a hard year to beat. But I get your point.

[@featherguardian6023]

While there’s a few exceptions, 2024 was a Bad Year for Comic Book Adaptations.

[@DiegoTan66]

Stop pushing the "super hero fatigue" narrative. It's not. It's literally not - it's being tired of being preached to, garbage writing and bad acting. People just want to see GOOD movies with at least DECENT writing.

[@TheMovieCynic]

Did I not talk about garbage writing in this video? Did I also not make like 100 videos talking about being preached to? Do I need to say the same thing in every video?

[@Jabberstax]

Shit movies and outrageous ticket prices won't help to turn around Hollywood's decline.

[@mozax8118]

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

[@lelandatkinson5740]

Can someone explain to me how budgets work for films? Specifically, how can some movies reach over $200 million (including marketing), yet other films in the past few years or even the past decade, can have way smaller budgets and still look visually impressive? How does a budget not impact the appearance of the film?

[@bibbicus3942]

2024 was also the apex of the overuse and misuse of the word "literally" and the expression "taking the world by storm." Both of which, you stand guilty of.

[@dogsandyoga1743]

Joker was 100% intentional.

[@Cookiepuss2289]

People have bad movie fatigue. People still love these characters and want to watch them, but until they make movies worth spending money on, no one‘s going. The movie industry has also destroyed itself with political messaging and agendas

[@Waffle_Overlord]

Anti Spiral

[@FoulPet]

Joker was the worst because its another destruction of what came before

[@Lontokka]

I'm tired of insincere movies.

[@HC-cb4yp]

1. Protagonist. 2. Antagonist. 3. Conflict. 4.Conflict resolution. 5. Goto 1.

[@JamieTheHedgehog]

Fatigue isnt real they are just awful

[@JKM395]

“Franchise fatigue” is nothing but an excuse. If the movies were good, people would have seen them no matter how many they made. What killed them was the inexplicable desire to push THE MESSAGE instead of making good stories, and there are nearly a hundred years of good stories they could pull from. They did this to themselves.

[@brentoncavallaro2040]

the year that the Hollywood slop failed

[@TheGourdKing]

Terrible year for comic book movies. Strong year for horror.

[@thedestroyer2alltrolls411]

The only good ones were Deadpool & Wolverine and that My Hero Academia movie.

[@sans101]

I agree woth all of them expect for the Deadpool and wolverine part

[@Zer0sVoid]

Fatigue of bad movies, yes.

[@genmaicha.lapsang]

The decline of, "The Super Hero film" is more similar to the decline of "The Biblical Epic." Bloated budgets and a lack of audience interest due to saturation and shifting culture.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

Me and my roommate tried watching the first 'guardians' back when it came out and we didn't even get halfway through it bc it was so terrible. Now even the tiny headed smooth brains who enjoyed that slop are over it. That is REALLY saying something.

[@peterparker-q1q]

you make DEI trash - you going woke and broke, for all i can care about talentless Marvel hacks that propagate lgbt to kids, you deserve to away from making comics 😂

[@jakeybakey4271]

I strongly disagree with superhero fatigue. Nobody says that with Deadpool, or spider man, it’s only when we see they are putting politics and agendas into the movies. We’re looking to escape reality and have fun, not look at woke crap.

[@TheLegendaryMovieCritic]

Hopefully Sony, WB, Lionsgate, Marvel & DC learns from all of these huge massive failures in the future!

[@jessemurphy2158]

I've had a theory for a bit. The original script and vision for Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness was basically a superhero horror movie (but of course, studio executives had to step in the way of creative freedom and fuck it up). I think that if we had gotten the intended movie it would have started something new thats not just the generic cookie cutter superhero bs we've seen for a decade

[@dylanwong6065]

Not too surprised. Marvel Cinematic Universe lost their steam and the DC Extended Universe is now dead and had to be rebooted again. 4 comic book/superhero films of 2024 were all critical and box office failures. However, both Deadpool and Wolverine and Venom 3: The Last Dance were the only real success in 2024. Deadpool and Wolverine is definitely the best and my favorite superhero film of 2024. In fact, Deadpool and Wolverine is the best film I have ever seen in 2024. Venom 3 still made a lot of money at the box office despite mixed reviews from critics.

[@leeg5481]

I like the way you ask us to watch the sponsor part. I've never heard that and it worked on me because there's something honest about it. 😁👍

[@koudyhoShorty]

The "over saturation" or "comic movie fatigue" reason is such a BS. You really think anyone would rate these films as good films if there were fewer of them? It's garbage movies which make poor box office. Simple as that.

[@aaronjohnson7175]

The only superhero movie i looked up to in 2024 was deadpool and wolverine. Let that sink in.

[@Wheretheportlandorarealadiesat]

Hahhaa

[@JulianThePhilosopher7]

I thought Guardians III was terrible as well. Absolutely awful. Not as bad as madam web or morbius, but not much better either

[@c1ph3rpunk]

A review of it came by my feed and thought, I’ll give it a try. Get in about 20 minutes and realized I had seen it and absolutely, completely, forgot I had. That’s how memorable it was.

[@kingt0295]

Completely disagree I thought it kept the vibe and quality of the previous two perfectly

[@Kevin3826]

All of the problems with Deadpool and Wolverine were directly caused by big daddy mouse. It was dealt a bad hand, but still managed to be a good movie.

[@Slice9878]

Tim Dillon had a point. It was hubris. They thought as long as they had the brand name, they could make whatever and people will buy it anyway. Well, the grift got old. It took 20 years, but it's here.

[@mikeduplessis8069]

I couldn't be more bored with the generic 'the world is going to end' plot. Recently I watched something where the hero was at risk of being laid off from his job at an appliance factory and I was INVESTED.

[@T.Truthtella-n3i]

Liberal women, Gays, and the British: The Unholy Trinity that wrecked American cinema (not just superhero movies.)

[@FlashMovies07]

Man. And I thought 2023 sucked at comic book movies.

[@danielwatcherofthelord1823]

If intellectuals properties weren't so damn conglomerized we might be able to get some real competition of ideas in this "supposed" free market. But no, greed and cronyism has led to just a handful of studios running all the comic book properties and strangling creativity and risks but multiplying stupid decisions some how in the process.

[@OwenMiller-q2g]

At least Deadpool is there to satirize against these kind of shit movies. "HE HAS RISEN, BABY GIRL!"

[@GarrettS-eb5ow]

I don't have any superhero movie fatigue... The movies have just been trash...

[@claytonc3735]

The response from the Sony CEO comes from a clouded misunderstanding of the potential customer base. The "if we film it, they will come" mentality does not work. If he truly thinks these movies were that good, then all is lost with his vision of what a good movie is. All of the Sony movies set the comic book movie market back due to shooting 90s-style b-movies and passing them off as potentially being on the same level as Disney or Warner Bros. Now, Disney and Warner Bros. aren't in the clear. They have viewed this genre the same way, with one choosing to splice social justice causes into its storylines and the other deciding that tax breaks from cancellations are the right direction to move the genre in the right direction over the last couple of years. The genre is not dead if done right. For the fans based on the decades and decades of loved stories that already exist.

[@kyotheman69]

my money is that guy gave us first Joker, was probably pissed off with the studio, took the money and made shit on purpose i remember how many times he was asked that first Joker was suppose to be stand alone movie

[@cenationofjnu]

MCU can become successful once again if they stop pushing M-SHE-U on the face of people.

[@adrianwheeler1936]

Oh Lord, get over yourself.

[@kindzadza134]

My brother of Christ, did you forget 2023 was literally a year ago...

[@GoodTimerCO]

woke liberal agendas and flat acting/writing. thats why '24 was a flop

[@dredgen0268]

Man I really had such high hopes for Joker 2.

[@williamm1716]

Marvel creating their own production studio is a major reason for declined quality, because it exists, it must produce, and it can't stop, in order to justify existing. So good or bad, you want it or not, you're getting more Marvel. New Superman looks like ass too, can't wait to never see it.

[@7StarKarma]

The only thing worse than the movies are the fans that actually wanna believe these movies were good. Denialists are a different breed of stupid.

[@billpierce3037]

most of what you say i agree with however to constantly state Deadpool/Wolverine only did well due to nostalgia is off. it did well because it contained two comic book characters we love and want to see. its not nostalgia just because its older loved characters. so referencing it along with the Falcon having anything to do with being Captain America is a bad take. If the new Captain America starred an actual Steve Rogers, we would like it for that reason, not nostalgia.

[@langolier9]

You have to give credit to Deadpool or should I say Disney for allowing Deadpool to Trash Disney in a Disney movie the degree to which he did