Media’s Obsession With Body Positivity

[@sigrid.koppel]

Anybody remember when the "body positivity" community got mad at Rebel Wilson for losing weight? Haters even called her a "traitor".

[@adamjames8854]

Or remember when they got mad at Adele for losing weight? Kinda just seems like they don't like when someone proves you can stop being unhealthy and betters themself. Seems like real jealous jenny energy to me

[@MauriAllure]

They ALSO got mad at Meghan Trainer when she lost weight before having her children. Insanity

[@shawnmurphy9245]

Hey I ‘Memba!

[@morgaena3313]

They always say that as if she’s an object they own. Like how self centered do you have to be to harass someone for… living their own life?

[@Darth_Bateman]

@@morgaena3313Thats how these far left online groups operate. It’s like, there is this rule you have to follow and if you break it then you’re a bigot which means they get to do whatever they want to you.

[@neme-chan]

Making fun of short men is body shaming. Pointing out that fat person is living a worse life and is sick is literally truth they're scared to hear

[@mjjsjd1786]

Making fun of short people is like making fun of a person born with some disabilities cause they didn't choose to be short But yeah make fun of those people who thinks being fat,obese amd living a pigs life is ok cause they chose it

[@Mereologist]

@@mjjsjd1786 There are actually few traits more genetically caused than body weight. Twin studies show that it is about 70% determined by DNA. Yes, you can starve yourself and become thinner than is natural for you. You can also starve a genetically tall person so they don't grow to their full height. This isn't to say that people shouldn't try to be healthy... but it is to say that calling it 'all a matter of choice' is not true to reality and un-scientific. Not everyone was born to be an NBA player, and not everyone was born to be easily thin.

[@shisho_sos8093]

I hope they don't suffer heart attack when hearing that lol

[@andreivalles2963]

@@mjjsjd1786 Except short people don't have to suffer from stuff like missing a leg. Being made fun for being short is bad, but in my opinion there wouldn't be any drawbacks to being short as a man if people didn't make fun of men for being short.

[@roboninja3194]

When is making fun of short men body shaming? I see women do it every day across social media and it's accepted.

[@Enigma75614]

I still think it’s insane that Lizzo was fat-shaming her dancers.

[@HickoryChip0]

It was more her tour manager but she was complicit

[@KateCat420]

My bigger issue is with the dance teacher Lizzo signed off on pushing her religion on the dancers. In light of that real issue, I'm not too concerned with whether or not the fat shaming happened.

[@ainternet239]

I don’t want to see myself represented on screen, I want to see a GOOD STORY

[@shyset3]

say it louder for those in the back!!!!!

[@SnagTheRabbit]

Fucking thank you.

[@theenemy4313]

truth. a character doesn't have to look like you to be relatable. it's called good storytelling.

[@OrthoLou]

Recent studies showed that this is the fault of women... Particularly, women writers. Men write characters the way they think the character is supposed to be, or maybe even in a way that they themselves admire. Women, however, just can't seem to relate to anyone who isn't just like them, so they tend to just write characters as self-inserts... They also seem to think that EVERYONE operates this way, and then try to be saviors to those they deem as marginalized groups, and do nothing but pander when they become producers and such (which we clearly have seen over and over in the passed 10 years or so).

[@shockwave487]

Careful Cynic. TurfNation might make half hour video essay trying to make you look like a toxic bigot while simultaneously unironically proving your point.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Lol.

[@brandonscott5544]

GREAT THE MOVIE CYNIC OVERWEIGHT MEDIA. SERIOUSLY

[@jeffreyspinner9720]

He'll have to dye his hair blue again. That is the universal shield from all leftist slings and arrows that are sound and fury signifying nothing anyways... oh, sry, spoilers.

[@BlackSlimShady]

Who?

[@DynamoTheGamma]

I just checked out the channel, my God, it's just another echo chamber.

[@UniqueLove32]

This movement would be aimed at a women like me, but I hate it. I watch entertainment to see fantasies. If I wanted to see myself "represented" I'd look in a freaking mirror! In the words of Katt Williams "It's called SELF ESTEEM!!!" I don't need Hollywood or anyone else but myself to feel good about who I am 🫶🏾🩷🤦🏾‍♀️

[@indiajohnson]

👍🏾💯

[@Hepheat75]

We don't want ugly characters, we want appealing characters. They don't have to be sexy, they just need to be characters that look like healthy human beings that don't look like they spent all their time at an all you can eat buffet.

[@StevelyBruckShut]

Or getting beaten with the ugly stick. The average person isn't ugly.. because they're average. That's what average means!!!

[@mrszmatan2727]

Thing is that ugly characters nowadays are simply ugly to not make viewers insecure, them being ugly isn't really that important and great asset to their characters. Sorry man my one of favorite characters from disney is Quasimodo. But his ugliness is one of core traits of his, he is supposed to look repulsive, reclusive, outcast, but we learn that he is not only actual human being like us, he is very kind human being, probably more kind than most of us. There was strong intent behind his looks. Nowadays it's this indulgent way of thinking, not only with ugly characters but all type of characters like putting token black guy or homosexual guy, their only purpose is for those specific groups in audience to not feel left out, but that's not how healthy individuals think like. I'd like to see more ugliness, but done well. Showing people who are gaunt, who are disproportional, but in the end they are their own characters, in spite of being fictional, they feel like real people.

[@Hepheat75]

@@mrszmatan2727 but, Quasimodo had a deformity, he couldn't do anything about that. I was talking about characters that are ugly from their own actions.

[@mrszmatan2727]

@@Hepheat75 Well let's look at it meta here. Those characters are ugly from their own actions only because author wants them to be like that, instead of focusing on this type of ugliness we should focus our acceptance and body positivity to those like Quasimodo, who are deformed, are burn victims, suffer from illness which impair them physically and other conditions that cannot be controlled. Because this should be true target of those campaigns, instead of people who are lazy or have low esteem.

[@BC21beats]

I want dbz characters

[@liahnotleah]

I miss when body positivity used to mean "Are you missing a limb? Maybe your stomach is covered in stretch marks after giving birth? Do you have a large discolored birth mark on your body? Or a bunch of scars from years of surgery? Don't worry about any of that, because you are still beautiful and worthy!" Body positivity used to have MEANING. It used to be worth something. Now it's just encouraging people to be lazy and be self-proclaimed victims.

It had to be said and IS said!

[@MinecraftIsLoveMinecraftIsLife]

i remember seeing a skincare advert featuring a woman whose ex boyfriend splashed acid on her face. she said she used skincare products to look after her skin. i thought to myself, this is real body positivity.

[@Thagrynor]

Or the side message that of not falling into depression over things that are fixable, staying positive that there is a solution and a way to a better life. Part of the message was also that just because you are obese doesn't mean it is permanent and don't let others make you feel horrible for it, find the positives in life and use that as motivation to make improvements. The idea that it is OK and healthy to weight more than a Smart Car is stupid.

[@jacquelineking5783]

Personally my tinfoil hat theory is that those examples were selling the idea so they could push for landwhales are just as healthy as anyone else narrative. Look I need to loose weight, probably 100 or 150 lbs worth. I don't because science needs to find a way to make spinach taste like a burger. That said self destruction aside I don't pretend that I am perfectly healthy. I am not. If you want to be a landwhale fine but don't go thinking you are something you are not and expect the world to confirm to your choices.

[@AKATenn]

Real body positivity is teaching people how to be healthy... why they call teaching people that being morbidly unhealthy is ok "positive" is beyond me, it's extremely negative to be unhealthy.

[@LadyDragonbane]

Yes, use the "love yourself" message as motivation to be even better

[@willdegra317]

They do it because a weak fat and stupid population is the goal

[@DelusionalDunmer]

It's called toxic positivity. You can really see this whenever any new form of star wars content gets released. People will just eat it up and hate anyone who dares criticize how terrible the product actually is

[@matthewjamal]

It gets toxic for sure but the core of it is while you ARE overweight you still matter and shouldn’t let bullies win.

[@AKATenn]

@@matthewjamal people calling out what they see, and what physically is, is not bullying. you shouldn't feel bullied when you see a fitness show on TV, or a childrens program tells you why you're fat. seeing fit, healthy people in media and in real life is not bullying... people not wanting to see unhealthy people is not bullying. seeing an ideal body shape in a magazine should motivate you to do better, if it doesn't, that's a you problem. OWN yourself, don't blame others for your own shortcomings and your own lack of self-control.

[@UnderratedBurnyBadger]

Toxic positivity is a perfect name for it, tbh. And this is far from the first time a lifestyle that used to be considered bad was not only re-imagined to be good but also shown to be *superior* to the opposing way of life. Take, for example, Lady and the Tramp. In that film, Tramp's "ride or die," no commitment lifestyle is shown to be liberating in some aspects. But it also results in Lady being traumatized after she was carted off to the pound. In that film, family and commitment were shown as the lifestyle that most people should ultimately strive for. Fast forward to Toy Story 4. Woody is the one supporting the notion of family and commitment and Bo Peep is championing the 'no commitment, ride or die' mindset. But Toy Story 4 treats Woody as the one in the wrong, to the point where he throws away those values to adopt Bo Peep's. Disney is so obsessed with being "inclusive" to all lifestyles that they have swung too far in the other direction to where they are now actively promoting destructive and selfish lifestyles.

[@CordeliaWagner]

Not wanting to get married and breed isn't selfish or destructive. But looking at all the overworked unhappy mothers the old fashioned lifestyle doesn't look like it leads to happyness for all. Not everybody is made for a life of childcare work. And marriage is just a custom, nothing that improves a person in any way. Commitment is not a contract between you, another person and the government.

[@extraordinarilybasic3250]

What makes you think the people coming up with these aren't trying to harm society?

[@rogue_of_the_winds1286]

@@CordeliaWagner you will always be an empty person. My wife can tell you the happiest day of her life was when she met our daughter. I truly feel sorry for people like you, you've been broken by the establishment, convinced yourself that being lonely and miserable is "enlightened."

[@UnderratedBurnyBadger]

@@extraordinarilybasic3250 I'm perfectly willing to believe some of them are. Others I think are just nihilistic.

[@UnderratedBurnyBadger]

@@CordeliaWagner Live however you want to live, but choosing NOT to commit to another person and choosing NOT to have children because you want your life to focus 100% on YOU is the epitome of selfishness and narcissism.

[@Andriej69]

They WANT us fat and essentially crippled, this is the best and most scary thing about that Wall-E movie

[@illuminatikiller1]

I mean if you step back and think about it... This is one demographic they have right 70% of Americans are obese... That's a pretty large target😂😂😂😂 pun intended

[@marshallartsentertainment3741]

What are you? 12??

[@Mereologist]

Ah! But what percent of Americans WANT to be obese? Much smaller, I'm sure. Pun intended.

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Also hate Body Positivity. What exactly is there to be positive about being massively overweight, unable to run, jump or even do basic functions and hating yourself everytime you look in the mirror.

[@Ergeniz]

You get to eat all the shitty food you want (?) 🤔

[@MorganSaph]

@@Ergeniz True, but believe it or not, healthy food tastes better and you don't feel like shit afterwards. (kinda like you still need to eat, yet you're bloated. Something is missing, yet you can't fit anything more in your stomach) Also, for thefanwithoutaface, body positivity is fine, just like feminism. It's just that there are idiots with really loud voices taking it to an utterly absurd degree. It's fine to be a little underweight or a little overweight. But outright obese, or supermodel skinny? That's just bad.

[@locomotivetrain3797]

Because all bodies are different and some people are literally just born bigger 💀

[@Mmmmilo]

@@locomotivetrain3797nope! Do you want to try again?

[@locomotivetrain3797]

@@brianbabin6333 dawg stop jerking yourself off because you couldn’t take care of yourself and recently realized you’re a slob I’m talking about people that are actually big boned like athletes or people that are genetically built that way 💀

[@bretrogersweightlifting4008]

“I have a black brother in law so basically what I’m saying is my sister is fat” 😂😂😂 that’s just the best

[@mogyesz9]

lol that caught me off hard

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Spot on, Cynic. I absolutely hate the culture of toxic positivity. I know this video is about body positivity specifically, but I'm sick of it in all fields. I'm sick of the media shoving obnoxious pandering messages with no real depth or solutions, just yammering on and on about the same things over and over again, and the people who its aimed for eating it up, and calling anyone who doesn't swallow a bigot. Not to mention the multiple people who will sign your name in the Death Note if you so much as DARE say a SINGLE NEGATIVE THING ABOUT ANY MOVIE IN EXSISTENCE. Like, even if it's a movie they hate, these people will whine and complain. I'm not kidding, there are Rise Of Skywalker haters mad that people are saying bad things about ROS. These people can't fathom the idea that sometimes negativity is a necessary and important part of fandom, that people don't just hate to hate, they hate because it's fun to discuss and analyze why we dislike something. But these people like things because liking things is what a fan is supposed to do. And I'm sick of it. Stop acting like being negative is this horrible thing, and just allow yourself to hate things. Side note, if you hate yourself, go look up r/SaltierThanKrayt. It is literally toxic positivity the subreddit, and it is one of the most cringey, obnoxious, self obsessed echochambers on the internet. It's like an endurance test going on that rancid subreddit.

[@randomsmile9064]

one of my favorite sayings and beliefs lately is actually pretty simple.. without the bad how do we know what good is? if all we know is good, then how can we even appreciate that good? I have mental disabilities and I'm morbidly obese. But recently I've been losing a fair bit of weight. and I love the original message of body positivity.. Love yourself and accept yourself while your working to be better. With the weight I've lost so far literally everything in life has become so much easier.. So much less painful.. It's a lot of hard work and its very slow especially having diabetes and very little support.. But my god It's worth it.. It also gives me a massive appreciation for the good in life. For the longest time my life was so miserable and suicidal. But I've come to grow and learn so much over the last few years, especially since therapy and having some great support workers.. Life is so beautiful and special. I am so thankful for every positive experience.. But I've come to realize as well, without the negative experiences its impossible to appreciate the positive experiences..

[@punishedmatteson7108]

​@@randomsmile9064Heck yeah bro keep up the good work!

[@Espartano692]

​@@randomsmile9064wise words

[@jeremyusreevu237]

​ @thevarietychannelofyoutube4769 "hating movies for having LGBT people or women or anyone who isn't white" Right. Even though I love Everything Everywhere All At Once (Asian woman lead who has a gay character), Sorry To Bother You (Multiple black people), and Rustin (The true story of a BLACK GAY MAN WHO STOOD WITH MARTIN LUTHER KING JR). We don't "hate movies for having lgbt, women, or non whites", we hate them because they're obnoxious piles of corporate garbage that use minorities to get people like you to defend them. I don't like blue cheese, because I think it's too strong, but that doesn't mean I don't like cheese at all. I love many kinds of cheeses, from cheddar, to swiss, to Colby. I just don't like blue cheese. The same applies here.

[@_Kakoosh]

I can’t think of anything more toxic than glamorizing/normalizing obesity and heart failure. When it’s literally the #1 cause of death in the United States.

[@marcorodas1483]

Actually it's guns 🤓☝️

[@NoMaamNo]

@@marcorodas1483 opioid deaths. nice try tho commie

[@MovieJunky21]

I’m 200 from 289 pounds. Being morbidly, obese is a choice. I’m tried of celebrities in wannabe influencers trying to make being obese is ok. Im 21 years old now and even though I lost over 90 pounds my body is damaged. I have chronic back pain and knee problems. I’m tried of obese people saying it’s positive To be happy to be overweight. Food was put here to keep us alive not to abuse it. Now I’m considered a toxic person because I don’t feel sorry for lazy people who choose to stay fat. Try is the word that matters. Do better try and try to be healthy. I don’t support anyone who doesn’t want to try

[@Mazaco_The_Snake]

I didn’t kind mary Jane looking a bit older, what bothered me was we still had a young looking spidey where the original character model looked like what we thought a older Peter would look like, and it was wierd seeing a aged MJ with a teenage looking spider man

[@TheAuthorStudios]

"Toxic Positivity" is one of the most useful terms i found those last phew months It perfectly describes a LOT of issues i have with people's attitute.

[@jairkerker2821]

American culture has always been prone to narcissism (exceptionalism being one marker) and mindless optimism. Not to put all the blame on parents, but it is either their job to keep their children healthy and attractive or worst case scenario make them confident enough to own being fat. One of the most attractive traits is not living for other people's approval while being aware of your own imperfections. Men struggle with loneliness, but women need company literally to rate themselves and their lives by. Ironic, because it's mostly women being vicious about another woman's appearance while there's porn for men who like 'em big. Fat acceptance is a struggle between females before anything else.

[@jordangreen4518]

Body positivity is good up to a certain point. When you are fat and unable to walk, run, and have a shorter life span, thats when body positivity needs to stop. I used to weigh close to 400 LBS and yes, I told myself I was "happy" but not with high blood pressure, heart failure, etc. I had to make a change and trust me I feel alot better at 240 vs 400 LBS.

[@ffgcffg9647]

Yea that's true but I can see it in both ways. If you hate your self there is a high chance it gets worse . taking responsibility for letting their health deteriorate to that point, and loving themself enough to work on improving their health can be a positive way body positively can influence someone

[@michaelmcgee2026]

With only a minute into the video: For me Hollywood, superheros, athletes all of it is supposed to be the peak of physical performance, beauty, and the physical form. I don't pay a monthly streaming fee to see my average fat next door neighbors. Judge it for what you will but it's the truth.

[@BrandonDenny-we1rw]

For me personality trumps physical appearance. Fat Bastard in Austin Powers wouldn't work as a skinny midget.

[@ReddFoxx1562]

Wow. It's pretty strange that you had to edit that incredibly insightful comment, and we all really appreciate your thoughts after having watched only a minute of the video your commenting on.

[@promemerboy1765]

It’s sad to see Pixar go from warning us about obesity to promoting it

[@Fesquishety]

Maybe don't promote Temu. It's technically not a scam but is super shady and unsafe. I agree that the body positivity thing is a case of the 180° turn that's too far. It's not okay to bully and shame people just for being overweight but it's also not something that should be praised or idolised. It's a bit of a personal topic for me because I've been overweight for a lot of my life and I've never thought of it as a good thing, but I also have a disability that makes losing it really difficult. I'm working with an exercise physiologist to help it but it's still going to be a long and arduous process. I think you briefly mentioned about unhealthy food being cheaper and easier, but I'd say that poverty/ wealth plays a big part in fitness as well. If you don't have the time between your job and taking care of your kids to cook a good meal, or you literally can't afford healthier food or a gym membership or, like me, need specialised help so as not to damage yourself, it's going to be very difficult to change your circumstances. Just some thoughts. Excellent video overall (aside from the sponsor).

[@ubermalice9589]

@Fesquishety No, you had it right from the start. TEMU is in fact a scam, as long as one defines a scam as a foreign government (China) collecting you data, using every method at their disposal not limited of course to using build-in software to spy on you. Don't forget though; you are not obligated to answer the question, "why in the world would the Chinese government want to spy on YOU?" Because that doesn't matter Tyler! Stay out of my phone!

[@randomsmile9064]

I'm also morbidly obese and have diabetes and mental disabilities and learning disabilities.. and your not wrong.. there's nothing good about being obese. It's definitely harder to eat healthy and costs more.. and its a slow process for sure.. but in the long term it will probably be cheaper .. less visits to doctors and hospitals.. you'll probably live longer.. and everything is easier and less painful.. I wish you nothing but the best with your journey and I'm in your corner for sure.. you got this! just remember its not a race, and you only need to compare yourself to yourself. be better then you were before and your winning.. there will always be set backs but let them set backs make the progress feel even better. I've found the negatives in life really help me appreciate the positives way more..

[@Scornfull]

No it's absolutely okay to bully people for being overweight, coddling is the reason why there's an increasing amount of morbidly obese people that's only becoming more and more dire everyday

[@TheEclecticGoat]

The thing about the gym time point is: look at the busiest, wealthiest CEOs. They exercise because otherwise they’d never have the energy to keep up their 14 hour days.

[@ChaoticYak1]

@@Scornfull No, it's okay to be blunt and clear about their situation. That's not the same as bullying. Bullying is a term that is becoming meaningless because it's used to mean "You said something I didn't like." Actual bullying is genuinely harmful and should not be done.

[@vvvvvortexxxxx]

I really appreciate how you talked about the double standard of bodily expectations for men and women. In the early 2000s corporations pushed an unrealistic standard for how women should look (SUPER skinny, unhealthy). Nowadays, corporations push a very unrealistic standard for how men should look (SUPER jacked, unhealthy). Everyone is different, and we should all strive to be as healthy as we can be despite our differences. We shouldnt be promoting the use of enhancers for men or "body positivity" (laziness) for women.

[@benstanfill363]

Look, I'm a fatass that's working on not being a fatass (down 50lbs so far) so this is a very relevant topic for me. Being fat doesn't make you worth less, but it's not something to celebrate. It is a problem to fix, and that's it. We should encourage people that want to get in better shape and just ignore those that don't like we do for literally everyone else.

[@ffgcffg9647]

Yea in my position I see body positively as a mental health movement. It's not good forbpeople to hate themselves no matter how they look. It would probably make things worse if they keep hating themselvss.

[@aldunlop4622]

Look, if you’re a fatass that’s your business and I really don’t care. I’m also not interested seeing you on a screen.

[@soulkibble1466]

The irony of that short film Reflect is that Ballet is a very core intensive workout requiring a lot of stamina and the girl in the movie would likely lose all that weight due to the amount of cardio she would be doing on a regular basis. A perfect example of this is back in High School on my Cross Country team one of the guys who joined was on the fatter side but by the end of the season he had lost a considerable amount of that excess weight due to all the running.

[@calvinfolan1736]

The example that I think of whenever anyone mentions "Health at Every Size" is the rapper Big Pun, he was a talented rapper considered one of the greatest to ever get on the mic. But he died at 28, 700lbs from a heart attack. You can't look me in the eye and tell me that his weight didn't play a role in his premature death. You would be insane to do so. Body Positivity is nothing more than a shallow lie used to make people feel better without effort.

[@michaelreich4827]

There's nothing wrong with being comfortable in your own skin. Its the people who push the idea that not only is morbid obesity healthy, but something to aspire to be.

[@snakedick4753]

It feels almost sarcastic and spiteful Like they say they need to get more people for “representation” and then immediately go for the extreme and it seems like look at this person they would never be allowed in this magazine without us It seems like a deliberate attempt at humiliating fat women (its always a woman for some reason) for controversy, publicity and probably a sick laugh

[@bennyaaa2243]

Editor deserves a raise. These memes are gold 😂

[@darktenor4967]

Hold on a minute, just looked up the synopses for the "reflect" film. How the hell would a "plus sized" person learn ballet in the first place? Honestly, Ballet dancers aren't all thin because of unrealistic beauty standards, they're all thin because it's bloody physically demanding and takes great flexibility! What next, a film about a fat person winning races against Usain Bolt just by the magical power of belief? Also, news flash, most normal women like! Looking pretty. There is a good reason the beauty industry markets most of it's products to women, and it's certainly not "the patriarchy!"

[@Mmmmilo]

There’s currently an ad on Dutch tv for hygienic pads, and it features an overweight figure skater. At first glance, it looks impressive! But then I actually asked a figure skater if what she’s doing IS impressive, and the answer was a resounding “nope, not really”. The fact that fat people can do SOME type of movement isn’t special. They still will never be able to do it like a fit person would. As someone who’s lost significant weight, fat positivity just stings me extra hard.

[@jovyisbizarre6668]

Ah yes because me having just slight fats make me obese and unattractive for a female human because of society's ridiculous toxic beauty standards that only sexy women are respected or such

[@jdraven0890]

It's like me showing up at a Nuclear Lab demanding a job...because I believe in myself! Screw public safety, this is my ego we're talking about!

[@Iamthedoucheman]

Actually, there was a shift to having ballet women look anorexic and unhealthily thin....Ballanchine's Fetish.

[@Xeorboom]

I miss back when a character was good because of their character traits, abilities and personality instead of how they look... in other words: I miss when writers gave a fuck

[@thefanwithoutaface8105]

Main thing about Body Positivity I hate is it effectively Glorifies Laziness. Being Healthy and Fit takes genuine effort, which is why people find it attractive. Being Fat and Unhealthy takes NO effort what so ever. Thus you're effectively glorifying self destructive behavior.

[@kidneybear2005]

You said it, man.

[@LurkerEternal]

Dunno, takes a lot of effort to stuff food in one's mouth all day, every day.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

@@LurkerEternal if only they put that much effort into other shit.

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@LurkerEternalno it doesn’t

[@brandonscott5544]

NOT PRETTY LADY, AND SEXY CHARACTERS.

[@NerdyFilmGirl]

Really fantastic video and incredibly accurate. Wall-E is perhaps the best Pixar film ever made and it's so incredibly poignant. I've always felt it should be shown to children in schools followed by education on nutrition. Another thing I find too is people being enabled by family members and friends. The clips of The Whale reminded me of that because his nurse is just as guilty for his obesity as he is. She gives him what he wants just like enabling any addict because she feels bad. I used to work at a restaurant that was super family friendly years ago, and I would see so many children drinking 4-5 refills of soda with their dinner and they were all obese. Parents didn't say anything and just gave in. As we progress as a society shouldn't we be healthier than ever before with the knowledge we have? It is The Twilight Zone.

[@TheEclecticGoat]

I get yelled at online for saying I would never get my kid fast food if they didn’t like what was for dinner. I’ve literally been called abusive for saying kids need to eat healthy.

[@asmodeusml]

Honestly, specifically with gaming and Spider-Man 2, it is even more anger-inducing, as they just say, "nope, you imagined it, we are not making females look "relatable" on purpose". It simply feels like gaslighting because you can't shake the feeling off that they make you question reality.

[@eddieford9373]

About two months ago I somehow stumbeled into a bunch of body positive videos on KZbin. The next day I started dieting and exercising. The sheer spite has pushed me to keep going.

[@NoHandle44]

Tell if I'm wrong but, isn't temu under some fire for workplace violations or something like that?

[@Snoopy7Chaplin]

As someone who was overweight as a child (age 5-14), had an eating disorder for 20 years (age 14-34), recovered from the eating disorder and is now living a normal, healthy life (34-37).... *I completely agree with this video.* ☝🤷‍♀

[@fmc291]

Amen to what you said. For years I struggled with my weight and still have body issues. But one day I decided to make a change, I controlled my portion, exercised a whole lot more and I lost 20 pounds. What’s best is the compliments I’m getting on my progress. It feels great to finally have some self confidence and showing up for yourself. I still have a long way to go, but I can see my confidence building and I’m finally starting to be happy with my body. However I never placed that insecurity on someone else nor blamed others or a fictional character for my insecurities.

[@cokebenni]

Tf? That’s Mary Jane? I thought that was aunt may

[@13AndreFalcao666]

The insane thing about this ballet character is... MA DUDE, THERE ARE NO FATTIES IN BALLET There just aren't. The dancing just won't work without the propper center of gravity, it is taxing, hellish, all people in ballet say so - but it is a thin toned woman's game

[@tangroro]

Progressive: fat isn't ugly Woke: fat is beautiful

[@Starvin-Marvin]

True progressive: It’s okay to be ugly… unless beauty is a job requirement.

[@TheMamaluigi300]

Poke: no really quit poking me stop

[@McMarc_1993]

Educate yourself about your sponsor please

[@alphacause]

Why should one be positive about failing at ones responsibilities? Should we start to lionize kids who fail class, due to laziness, so as to not hurt their feelings? Should we praise people for not doing their jobs, all because we want to be understanding of their sensitivities? Make no mistake, with rare exception, being obese is a personal failing. It is a failure to do your due diligence to keep your body in the shape it supposed to be to maintain long term health, optimize quality of life and performance. I say this as a man who has struggled with his weight, since graduating university, over 22 years ago. Redefining a failing into a virtue helps no one, least of all those struggling with the vice of gluttony.

[@austinsager912]

The April O’neil one is especially confusing to me. I expected the worst from the trailers, but she’s pretty well written and fits into the turtles’ arc. I don’t think anyone would’ve honestly minded a race swap, but there’s no reason for her to be unhealthy at all.

[@CordeliaWagner]

Race swaps are not okay. April is a white woman. It's lazy to raceswap a character to pander to the woke left. No black girl ever said "I don't like Ninja Turtles because April doesn't look like me!" And BlackApril looks ugly.

[@crazybrainiacjr]

yeah i feel like cynic is scraping the bottom of the barrel to make his point in that case. he didn't really present any argument against April than her race.

[@roboninja3194]

@@crazybrainiacjr She was depicted as a dumpy ugly woman. When has April ever been depicted this way in past TMNT content? And if you didn't notice, the video is about the body positivity issue where hollywood, the media, and influencers on social media are pushing an it's ok to be unhealthy message. His argument is they made her fat and that's what the video is about. Did you watch it or do you lack comprehension skills? What did making her fat, ugly, and race swapping accomplish? Like someone said above in another comment, we don't need characters that look like super models. But being healthy should be the norm. It's absurd thinking that because there are unhealthy people in the world it means there also must be unhealthy people in movies, especially animated ones. If ya wanna see some fat people go to social media. There is no shortage of em there. And this is coming from someone who was 50 lbs overweight and I worked my ass off to drop 40 lbs in a little over a year. I did that because all that extra weight was causing big time issues in my life.

[@nightmayor6114]

One more thing I have noticed is that the whole body positivity and self love is just restricted to females. If a girl is fat she loves herself and more power to her but if a man does that suddenly the air is full of slurs and slangs.

[@tyrazeealt]

I feel like everyone should strive to be healthy. Its not about looks, its about your body and that its healthy.

[@Aileil]

You make your point very cogently. Thank you for taking the time to put this together. You do a really good job of identifying weak points and damaging patterns in our movies and the care you take in explaining them is appreciated.

[@malteaser]

Skinny doesnt = healthy either. I’m a size 8 and got asked “what are you doing here” when i went to a boot camp class. It made me stop going because everyone gave me evils

[@chucklebouf5379]

The body positive ballerina is going to obliterate her ankles. Thin ballerinas have problems with that, you can't put a couple dozen more pounds on those and have them stay in one piece. And it tightens up the execution required to not cause a catastrophic break. Just landing slightly off is going to blow her feet up, which can disable her permanently.

[@F0XRunner]

I don't mind half our society giving up before they hit the starting line, just means more opportunity for everyone who actually wants to work hard.

[@_birdie]

Chris pratt is a great one to discuss in this topic. He was told he was perfect for Star Lord but just not physically, as he was quite chubby. So he told james Gunn to give him a bit of time. He worked his ass off and was hired. Similarly, there are ppl like Paul Rudd who weren’t exactly overweight but not in the right sort of shape for a superhero. And they work hard as hell to achieve those bodies. Hell, Henry Cavill himself used to be overweight. And look at him now. And tho steroids are NOT a good thing by any means, it is still an example that the men really do go all out for the physiques that are demanded of them. Meanwhile we have out of shape female characters like Echo and Ms. Marvel. And ppl like Natalie Portman unwilling to put in any work and instead got her arms CGI’d.

[@DanteCrowlley]

The reason April looks like that, is simply self insert, she literally looks like her designer, women love to self insert to gather male attention even when they should work out before ever considering to be gazed on

[@morgaena3313]

Kind of weird that you assume she did everything for men’s attention

[@deganhardt77]

i still cant get over MJ looking like Peter's mom rather than his GF lmfaoooooo

[@ThePrisoner881]

Bettering yourself requires discipline, sacrifice, work, and taking responsibility for why you aren't where you want to be. Those four attributes are considered "toxic" by modern standards. So much easier to simply "blame society" and "toxic masculinity." Play the victim card. Blame the accuser of being an -ist or -phobe. Bask in the glory of the woke, "slay queen" crowd. Get a participation trophy. It's enough to make one sick. This current generation will be the weakest, most pathetic, most timid, least-achieving generation in history. And they've been brainwashed into thinking this is a good thing.

[@DTX_G0D]

They really turned MJ into a upscaled version of Kathleen Kenedy

[@jpeckdraws3932]

This is like trying to make smoking look healthy like everyone knows it isn’t and I recommend no one do it

[@c4tubo]

Nailed it.

[@Mr_Bones.]

Mr Cynic, if you keep releasing thoroughly researched and informative videos like this, you’re in danger of becoming one of the youtube GOATs in a few years. Keep up the excellent work. This video essay on the oxymoronic and false altruism of modern companies was stellar. I especially liked the callback to WALL E, I completely forgot disney made a whole ass movie disparaging obesity and sloth and then a few years later suggests gay trans morbidly obese sloths are the pinnacle of morality. God I hope western culture implodes already.

[@bobross1829]

I do believe that "positivity" started out from a good and defensible spot that kids should not be bullied and "you are special just the way you are" is as old as Mr. Rogers. However, what the left forgot was this is only okay FOR KIDS. Yeah, if a kid is overweight, that is because of their parents and schools should never encourage bullying and kids that are different deserve to go to school and learn free from being bullied if the school hears of bullying. And telling little kids they have worth even if they look different than others is admirable. BUT they have tried to graft this unto adults, and that is crazy. Part of being an adult is knowing and accepting other people are smarter, funnier and better looking than you. It is called growing up. And people who are coddled and told being overweight is "sexy" also then start to think everyone also thinks that, and leads to a life of depression and cynicism and being angry when reality does not equal what is in their own heads. Many of these women (and you see it everywhere) think they are "10's" when they are more like 5's, and then demand only the hottest guys, but then are rejected and used by them. This causes them not to date in their league and are single with no kids and miserable at age 40.

[@chavalemus1321]

Goofy ass!🤡

[@CordeliaWagner]

But telling an ugly kid "everybody is beautiful" leads to adults that scream "date me or you are phobic!". Bullying is not okay but lying to kids is bad too. These little shirs need to learn the reality of life and that is that the world is a cruel and mean place.

[@CordeliaWagner]

Who sad all women want kids? These little critters are expensive and motherhood work is such a boring grind. Look at all the hot childfree women! I see more ugly women that are married with children than hot women.

[@k45207]

0:25 omg! That’s Mary Jane? 😂😂😂 bro she looks like one of those head shot compilation of what meth use does to you over time. I mean what the actual f*ck.

[@claytonrios1]

Speaking as someone who's not particularly thin himself, it's not healthy to accept the morbidly obese. We all know that The Whale was meant to be exactly what you're not supposed to be like right? That Brendan Fraisers character was literally dying because of how often he binge eats?

[@SkeeterHowitzer]

John Candy. John Goodman. Jackie Gleason.

[@thejaded]

I hate how they literally don't want their women to look sexy.. What's wrong with that? lol

[@shisho_sos8093]

Because Men looking sexy is Ok while Women being sexy is "Objectifying women"

[@kyledabearsfan]

Ironically most video characters run enough to lose the weight that would make them fat. How often in an adventure game are you sitting on a couch at home power leveling your cool ranch level? Nah you running place to place, like these people should be doing in real life. I recently lost 50 lbs by quitting drinking, drinking water, and exercising. We can do it.

[@TheEclecticGoat]

You’re a guy, aren’t you? 😂

[@faboo2001]

Thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards in the MCU and society as a whole. I never understood why it's looked down on for having a woman look sexy, but then go show Thor completely nude like it's totally ok.

[@VexElectronica]

As a first generation Canadian, non-white, cis-female, POC [obvious sarcasm], I think this is your best video. This video got me so flared up on the bike that I almost halved my 5 mile time 😂 My only critique, and it's not really a critique, is that there's a side from the female perspective, that even female critics miss, regarding the power and psychology of manipulation, no matter what you are, as a woman. Another knock out of the park. Cheers dude!!

[@CordeliaWagner]

Cis is an insult. Either you are a real woman ir a NB or a trans. But calling a real woman a cis-female is just woke. And my real opinion would get me instantly banned....

[@peterpidrak9501]

Has anybody noticed this incredible contradiction? Of those we would classify and put in the “woke” column. There are two distinct groups. One group says if you were not happy or feel comfortable in your body do everything you can drugs, surgery, and so want to change it. The other side says no matter what you are physically is perfect.

[@CannoliSasquatch]

Body positivity is ruining society. It just emphasizes victim mentality. People have a ton of respect for others when they can admit that they have a problem and work hard towards fixing that issue especially with weight. Great work here buddy. Best video yet

[@Lordbobomb]

It ain't just movies or shows either, gaming and it's communities are getting invested with this nonsense too. It's the biggest reason i stopped playing Final Fantasy 14.

[@Vandervecken]

I don't know about most people, but second after firstly wanting a good story, I want to be able to PROJECT myself into the protagonist, NOT "see myself" exactly in the protagonist. I want, sometimes, the fantasy of being other than I am. I sure as hell know I'm not anything like handsome billionaire playboy Tony Stark; I want to PRETEND that I AM him. It's more like the central premise of the (stupid as hell) Avatar than it is identification.

[@LarryXLR]

Bruh, they literally made April O'Neil into a black lesbian midget in the new TMNT. lmfao

[@granitesevan6243]

I've struggled with my weight all my life. I will continue with that struggle until such time as it's no longer a danger to my health and quality of life

[@2006gtobob]

I'm 52. When I was growing up, the fat kid or obese adult was the outlier. Young people weren't stuffed with shit-"food" and we were OUTSIDE playing and running around versus sitting on the the basement couch playing video games while mom brings garbage snacks to keep the damn kids quiet. So, the early 2000's roll around and those ever fattening and lazier kids are now todays fat younger adults pushing their insecurites upon the world concerning their weight by shaming those of us that have some discipline and discernment instead of just eating better and doing basic exercise 3-4x a week 45 minutyes to an hour at a time. Trust me, that damn phone and ice cream cone can be put down for that amount of time. By the time I'm 70, todays early 30yr olds will stroke out or have arteries clog up. Its going to happen a lot more frequently and pretty soon.

[@npdady]

I listened to this video minimized until I heard that iconic "pakyu" around 8:48 that made me laughed out loud. Not where I expected to hear Bung Mokhtar at all.

[@fffatalattraction]

this might be the most potent take i’ve ever seen

[@jason6473]

Hopefully people will hear this message - TRUTH. Great video.

[@Tar9ntula_0.o]

You know, I Hate this video because you are clearly speaking from a spectators lense and you obviously dont get the hardships that follow along with self image and Health. It inspired me to workout.

[@rowboat1972]

Wall-E was spot on.

[@teetbeezoon]

The Rekieta skit was a really nice touch! 😚👌

[@vaishnavkhanna]

My man is the only one on internet talking sense!

[@dylanpiazza6358]

Thank you for this one. The obesity epidemic in our society is arguably the most destructive issue right now. We cant accept this bs any longer or humanity is doomed. Its already a huge burden on the rest of us.

[@TGTR-06660]

While I do agree with several points, I think one thing body positivity has right is that OTHERS shouldn’t bully or make life insufferable for others who are very far from in perfect shape. Bullying is ALWAYS bad. The body positivity thing applied to the self and used as an excuse to waste away, true, it’s not good. Applied to OTHERS, I support it. Some people just want a reason to be assholes to others.

[@Nick-ue7iw]

Telling someone is too fat and this will negatively impact their live and the lives of other a who have to support them isn't bullying.

[@TGTR-06660]

@@Nick-ue7iw of course, if done respectfully and better yet if prompted by the fat person asking. Just going around saying “you’re fat and that’s unhealthy” is assholish, IMO.

[@DameMitHermelin]

​@@TGTR-06660No, it's precisely what many people need to hear to start making changes. I know we have an entire generation of snowflakes now but handling them with kid gloves and patting them on their poor little heads only resulted in skyrocketing obesity.

[@TGTR-06660]

@@DameMitHermelin sadly not everyone does it with such noble intentions. Many just want to be assholes and have an excuse for it

[@NathanialLackey]

I think woke Hollywood sucks! But I gotta say! The OG April O’Neil was actually dark skinned. Her design was based on Kevin Eastman’s at the time girlfriend, April Fisher.

[@eddiedacunha3755]

you sir, have the best meme cuts.

[@PatstarDeluxe]

As a 41 year old in the best shape of my life, with a similar body to Cavill, I HATE when people assume I was just born lucky or that I'm on roids (although I take that 2nd one as a compliment now). It has been 2 years of non-stop dedication to correct eating and working out. It can be done, but people just don't want to do the work

[@JMylesGardner]

Really wish studios would use you input for their movie productions. You hit so many nails on the head on why its so garbage now a days

[@done9137]

That Bill Burr at the end is all of the gold. He sums up all this nonsense in one joke.

[@jeffmorris5802]

Great video! One small criticism - there are no medical issues that can prevent you from losing weight. It is, quite literally, impossible for a fat person to starve to death. Exactly zero percent of the population is unable to lose weight. Were it possible to retain mass while burning calories without eating, your body would be a source of infinite energy and the subject of study for every university around the globe.

[@FeuerblutRM]

Not true. The body only stores fat and about 1 kg of carbohydrates (glycogen) in the body. If you don't eat at all you force your body to first burn the glycogen, then the fat (fat can also be transformed into glycogen and vice versa). What the body can't store is protein which is needed for all renewing processes and healing processes on cellular level, the recycling and forming of blood cells, the immune system, the hormonal system. Basically all processes. Every tissue in your body is mainly protein. Since it can't store protein you force the body to attack it's own tissues to extract the needed protein. Therefore you also lose muscle mass if you starve/crash diet because muscles are the biggest protein source. Theoretically a morbidly obese person would run out of internal protein sources long before they burned all their stored body fat. The body can't waste away all their moving muscles or they would end up immobilized so it turns to other protein sources, attacking internal organs, ligaments etc. They would eventually be at a great risk of facing sudden death by cardiac arrest or sleep apnea because their body will also attack and deconstruct their heart muscles and respiratory muscles eventually. so no, a fat person would be at high risk of dying if they do not supplement at least enough protein to prevent their bodies from cannibalizing themselves.

[@jeffmorris5802]

@@FeuerblutRM You provide me one, just one, real-world example of an obese person starving to death, and I will grant you everything you just said. If you can't, then stfu with your theoretical nonsense.

[@sourlab]

The next superman will be a : bi gay dude with diabetes , hes homeless and he supports gay rights Truly a 2023 moment up there

[@lawrencericho3635]

1:39 THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THAT ONE😅😅

[@axelwust9376]

Body Positivity works only in a sense that, well, you promote people's acceptance for who they are as they are, limits and all. Keep people away from being shamed over who they are. Kinda like how you shouldnt be a germopjobe and wipe every single corner of the room to get rid even a speck of dust. Doing so causes the allergies to sprout out from nowhere, because the body is seeking something to fight and decides to do it after normal food. Be okay with some stuff not being perfect, dont seek to be absolutely a god. That said, you still need to be clean and wipe those floors though.

[@Thekingofcrab]

Have you ever heard of the despot of Antrim

[@sarongboy_gamerzlive5975]

Haha moviecynic put the Malaysia Politician meme Bung Raden😆😆

[@jonthemachine1970]

When the Left sees a bar that is difficult to reach... They lower the bar. They argue for a 9th place trophy.

[@ApocalypticRenegade]

I have no problem with "realistic" and "relatable" characters but there is a time and a place for it. Take something like Uncharted or Indiana Jones, both are handsome charming rogues with great physiques who do cool stuff and get together with attractive women. Not at all relatable for the average person but you like them because it's clearly escapist fun and not to be taken seriously. If you didn't have realistic and relatable characters in an indie drama about family life then taht film would suck because it's a necessary ingredient for that kind of story.

[@koonehkun6404]

8:49 HAHAHA better joke than any joke in the show 😂

[@jimbeaux89]

“Regression, pretending to be progression”. This quote right here..

[@justinking3127]

The more this gets pushed, the more I want to hit the gym

[@tek_soup]

55 still smoking and skinny, im fine, and i don't care to live much longer in this messed up society. Goodluck!

[@ImageryAD]

13:18 This point brings the whole video down... You seem to believe that people who needs to embrace their unconventional shape are RARE... But if you think for a second and put improvised numbers you get : 1% of bulimic, 1% of anorexic, 1% who have hormonal dysfunction, 1% of people who have another condition that make them take meds that make them fat, 1% of chronically depressed people who eat their emotions, 1% of people who suffer from trauma related to their image like sexual abuse and will need years of fixing mental health before being able to care about their shape, 1% of people who has an hereditary syndrome causing their body shape, 1% of people who are addicted in a real medical way to sugar and processed products... ANYWAY... if you continue the list, use the real numbers (spoiler, it's often more than 1%) and add that up... Well in the end you don't get 5% but maybe 30% or more of people who cannot do anything about their shape for now whether they want it or not... Thus it is wrong to pretend that being fat is most of the time something people can act upon directly and shouldn't be embraceD... IT HAS TO BE EMBRACED for so many people who has no choice that your argument cannot go.

[@Draggo.]

You think these degenerate, echo chamber youtubers care about semantics or nuance? Fuck no; they only care about whatever lets their rabid, willfully ignorant collective of fans continue to perpetuate their shitty narratives, and keep blaming all their problems on other people.

[@ChaoticYak1]

Most of the people you listed there are still able to lose weight. Of course, I have no idea what you mean by "unconventional shape". People with bulimia and anorexia and depressed and have trauma and addicts all CAN lose weight (although people with bulimia and anorexia probably should be gaining weight). Will it be incredibly difficult and take therapy? Very likely yes, but it is not impossible. And as someone who has a body shape that is essentially a box, I am still able to be at a healthy weight whether I look good or not (and right now, I am not and am working on it). So no, 30% of people are not in the category of unable to do anything about their weight. It would be more accurate to say that 30% of people face extra challenges when it comes to managing their weight.

[@ImageryAD]

@@ChaoticYak1 That is so ignorant, the question was never CAN they lose weight but why people with those condition should be able to find pleasure, self love, happiness and more WAY BEFORE there condition are fixed... If you pretend all of those people should feel bad UNTIL they lost their weight you are again wrong... This video pretends we should stop saying being fat is ok when those 30% (that might actually be more, because I counted only 1% for each category to be more than fair) have to live like it's ok for now because their priorites for things to fix are elsewhere. If you believe that having therapy is making a bulimic lose weight once again you are very mistaken... First you deal with trauma, then you fix the consequences of bulimia (way more than just obesity), then you fix the bulimia and THEN MAYBE if you have LUCK AND PRIVILEGES you could focus on losing weight...

[@ChaoticYak1]

@@ImageryAD First of all, I never said they had to feel bad until they lost weight. I said that it is possible for them to lose weight and I even said that it would be harder for them and that they'd need help. None of that requires being cruel or depriving them of their humanity. The video says that we need to stop pretending that morbid obesity is good. It's not good. It will never be good. Being overweight is bad for your health. It doesn't help you feel better about yourself and it will likely lead to an early death. It does not make their lives better to say that obesity doesn't affect their health. I'm not even sure what the first sentence of your last paragraph is even referring to. Certainly not anything I wrote.

[@ImageryAD]

@@ChaoticYak1 It's possible for everybody to become famous if I follow your logic, once said it doesn't mean anything, it is still not a good reason to promote being famous. Let's not promote losing weight because it also doesn't work like that... Let's promote having a better society where troubles get fixed after getting ackowledged. Morbid obesity is never a choice, never just a question of will, never just the responsibility of the eater...