How WHEEL OFFSET Works and Adding SPACERS

Let's give my NB Miata a more aggressive stance and make my Advan RGII Wheels more flush.
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[@scanspeak00]

Best explanation I've seen of offsets and spacing.

[@michelinov]

Yes , do the video about suspension tuning. Looks pretty good. Tell me what you think about the change in handling after you get to drive it for some time.

[@StevenDec13]

Thank you for explaining offset with spacers. You really helped me out THANK YOU

[@TheSlipAngle]

Anytime. Glad to hear!

[@westonlieberum1]

Glad I found this channel again under the new name saw it forever ago and used to watch all your videos

[@SpareTimeGearHeads]

I run Enkei rpf1 16x8 +38 with 25mm spacers on my NA now +13, I used to run Toyo 245/35r16, unfortunately no longer available. I now run Yokohama S.drive 215/40r16. I like them for street tires, I like how they don't look stretched on 16x8's. The Yokohama's are close in fitment to the previous 245/35r16, the tires are on the wider side of what they claim as 215. You may want to consider them as your next set of tires.

[@Lecherous_Rex]

So many fitments throw scrub radius out the window, not worried about how it looks personally.At stock power swapping my all seasons for summer tires on the light 14 inch factory rims will probably amaze me. I only intend to advance ignition and cam timing and a 4-2-1 header for now and eventually do the exhintake cam swap. Need more miata's before I stray too far with this one.

[@lukeellis7732]

Thank you for this video... took me this long to see it. But thank you. Best explanation how it works . All other videos made it vary confusing

[@dumbestoyster]

I run a 25mm spacer on My 16×7 +40 Enkei's with a 205/50R16 tire. Needed a fender roll on the rear. I like how aggressive it looks.

[@jimmerriman6920]

Great explanation. Looking forward to watching you build some tubular A arms!

[@Aeneas137]

4:47 offset tutorial 3 years later but I hope those cheap bolt on spacers didn't hurt you at the track you want pass thru spacers for track but thanks for the info I was tuning in for the offset info and you're helpful there

[@TheSlipAngle]

They've been on track numerous times. I wouldn't call these spacers cheap at $230.00

[@ToModorNottoMod]

For what it’s worth I am here from a Speed Academy recommendation. Cool video and awesome cars.

[@TheSlipAngle]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@rickstaricksta8512]

Great channel content, great presentation style and love all the granular details you Bring. All the best from Australia.

[@TheSlipAngle]

Thank you Rick!

[@giyoon215]

I learn a lot from your channel. thanks!!

[@TheSlipAngle]

I am really glad to hear that!

[@philjones5728]

Awesome video. One of the best explanations of + and - offset 8¬D . Totally agree with your opinion of 'slammed' sports cars. Functionality and drive-ability wins every time (ricers will hate me for saying that 8¬\) - as long as it lowered and doesn't roll in the corners of course. Still preferred the NB on the 14" RPF1's that you had. Maybe the bigger rims are better for drifting(?). Keep up the great videos, really enjoying your content (especially MX5/Miata stuff).

[@TheSlipAngle]

Thanks Phil. I sold the 14s because of the lack of tire selection for them now. I run the 15x8 RPF1s for track duty and the 16x8 RG-IIs for street

[@philjones5728]

@@TheSlipAngle Yep I know just what you mean. I have the same limited tyre selection for my 14" Enkeis over here in the UK. Only running 195/60's which is way too thin for 240hp on my NA6 turbo set up. But I just love that vintage/retro tall tyre (sorry, tire) profile - makes it so easy to get the rear end out in the corners 8¬D

[@JanMichaelFranklin]

Hey Quinn, be prepared to roll those fenders. The fitment looks similar to what I have on my NA Miata and I ended up having to roll the fender. It wasn't too bad with the rub, but it would've eventually destroyed the tire.

[@TheSlipAngle]

What kind of gal do you think I am?! I rolled those fenders back in 2008 ;)

[@JanMichaelFranklin]

Garage Quinn Motors Was it a precaution? Didn't look needed on that setup before the spacers.

[@TheSlipAngle]

I used to run 15x8 +15 wheels with 225/45/15 Nitto NT01's as my track day setup.

[@JanMichaelFranklin]

Yeah, I figured you probably ran another setup at some point. Love these videos man, keep em coming! 13b swap later this week? :D

[@kysephia]

During the summer I run 245/40 RS4s. 15x9 +36. Very mild roll in the rear. No roll in the front. Full clearance even at full compression of the springs.

[@OctaneMonkey]

What a great video. Informative and well said!

[@smiley812]

You should spray paint your hubs and breaks silver. Just wipe the paint off the roters and once you use the breaks it will clean it off. It looks great!

[@TheSlipAngle]

They were painted back in 2008 when I put them on lol.

[@smiley812]

@@TheSlipAngle I usually take my wheels off once a year and paint everything. Looks clean!

[@youtuberbayleexiong908]

What are all the body kits you have on the Miata trying to do something that looks so similar to this it looks so nice

[@TheSlipAngle]

Just a garage vary lip

[@6000pounds]

I run a 16x8 volk te37 on my ND miata and run the goodwin racing 15mm spacers on front and back of course with the fenders being rolled and get no rubbing. I agree on the extra weight per corner though. Since my ND is a daily driver it's not a big deal...cause hellaflush stance bruh...

[@TheSlipAngle]

Love those wheels. Those might be my track setup, backup would be 8" wide RPF1s in either 15 or 16.

[@derek9630]

Hey, I have an NB2 miata and advan RG2’s also so this video was perfect for me! Lol. My wheels are 16x7 +42. Lowered but not too low on coilovers. Without spacers, the wheels are fairly tucked but no rubbing at all. I want a more aggressive stance. Can I go for a 30mm spacer and avoid having to grind stock studs? Also, do I need to worry about those plastic hub rings? I’m having a very hard time that fits the advan wheels. They seem to be a rare ring size. Can I skip those plastic hub rings even with spacers?

[@TheSlipAngle]

30mm would probably do exactly that for ya. I don't run hub rings either, never had an issue with thousands of miles on track.

[@gamelord]

Trying to figure out how to ask this simple as possible... We can use stock wheel size and width as an example: Does a lower offset make the car handle 'better' in your opinion? I'm asking because your boy is a sucker for that [slight] concave look, but he still wants to drive comfortably around town *AND* on a mountain pass...and race track with comfort and precision. Lol

[@TheSlipAngle]

Yes it does to a degree. If you go too wide it will have negative effects.

[@EmptyPocketRacers]

Have you ever tested the car with and without spacers at the track? What setup would be faster, laptime-wise only?

[@TheSlipAngle]

Well seeing that I literally just put them on, no lol. However I will say that when I ran Spec Miata, 15x7 +38 wheels vs 15x7 +30, my laptimes were on average .1 to .3 seconds faster on a roughly 1 min 30 second track. How much of that was due to the offset I'm not sure. When +25 offset wheels were allowed, people said they were slower than the +30 offset wheels, but it is so hard to measure something like that and attribute it solely to the offset change.

[@otto367]

First of all, it was love at first sight when I saw your Nb, I own one too, I love your rims and one detail is bothering me, why don t you use 25mm spacers instead of cutting the struds? Will they will fit without rubbing with a 25mm spacer ? Thank for your answer

[@TheSlipAngle]

They will not fit. The car is getting new hubs with ARP studs so I didn't care about trimming the old ones.

[@otto367]

@@TheSlipAngle I understood you ll get new hubs... but for someone like me who wants to get the same wheels, do i must trim the struds? Or is there another way to fit them keeping the oem hubs and struds?

[@mye30m50]

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[@calbeer]

Great video! I'm debating on moving from a 17x7 +45mm to a 17x8 +37mm. This is daily driver, and probably 5 track days per year. Is the +20mm overall increase in offset within a safe range, or will there be noticeable negative handling effect?

[@Peshobg]

If I have 9j and et 20 at the back and at the front I have 7.5j et 47 and add 25mm spacers ,will in the front sit like at the back?

[@TheSlipAngle]

It will essentially make the offset a 22mm on the 7.5, which the 9 with a 20mm offset will still stick out farther because it's 1.5 inches wider, essentially adding an extra .75" to both the inside and outside of the wheel.

[@thecarguychannel]

The front tyre gap on my e60 is 15mm and the rear wheel gap to fender is 20mm. The rears are further in. What spacers would be best 5mm front and 15or 20mm rear? I want the rears to have more poke. I want the rears to stick ot staggered compared to the fronts. Do I leave the 15mm gap at front and go for 15 or 20mm just on the rears? Let me know which ones you would go for to give it the desired look. I am on the original 17’s but lowered 30mm only. Please let me know

[@TheSlipAngle]

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[@vkotis]

I would like to see a K-series in the NA.

[@pauls3585]

Thanks for the info. You have a nice car collection. How is the 13B conversion going?

[@TheSlipAngle]

Hopefully machining the peripheral ports this weekend!

[@dontedq]

I have 15mm front spacers and 25mm rear spacers on right now the wheels i want to get is +40 offset 18x8 how much poke will i have with this setup

[@crazypsycho1953]

With this setup 16x8 offset+18 no rubbing at all with standards guard? Or rolled guard?

[@daynerampersad8968]

i have an 18* 8.5 wheel with a 45 offset what will my new offset be if i were to add either a 3mm or 8mm spacer

[@TheSlipAngle]

42 / 37mm

[@JBaek24]

Would like to hear your thoughts on square and staggered setup/suspension tuning. You’re red AP2 was square (I think?) but your AP1 is staggered.

[@TheSlipAngle]

The wheels were square on the AP2, but tires were staggered 245 R 225 F. I really liked that combo on it, but the car was definitely really loose. My Ap1 is staggered wheels and tires 8.5 w/ 245 and 7.5 w/225. If I can find another set of 8.5's, I'd consider throwing them on the fronts to mimic the AP2s setup.

[@eurownedmk71.88]

Lookin good man i give you props on stickin with the 16's for me they were a pita to stick with so i went down to 15x8 et20 wrapped in nitto neo gens and omg does it grip and handle amazing although i do rub on the fender liner over big dips but what am i gonna do lol

[@eurownedmk71.88]

Btw just followed you on ig jordanaston8190 now you can see my nb

[@kalinduwadanambi8612]

I'm planning on buying 15x7 +20 rota grids v's for my 99 nb, any idea how they'll sit relative to your set-up? Awesome videos btw. Keep it up.

[@TheSlipAngle]

They will stick out about 14/15mm less than this setup. FWIW, this setup is too aggressive so I have since removed the spacers. I think sticking them out an extra 10mm would be the sweet spot. Going to redo the hubs this winter with ARP hardware and just run slip on spacers.

[@brizzy_86]

hmmmm should i go with a 20mm or 25mm on my stock wheel 18 brz 🤔

[@TheSlipAngle]

Just measure the outer lip and see where it puts you ;)

[@AGRFABRICATIONS]

how about steering feel or weight ? It should be heavier with less offset as much as I understand ? I am now looking at some 13x9 -12 wheels for my autocross miata and I am a bit affraid of weight of steering with such negative offset

[@TheSlipAngle]

Yes, wider and lower offset, as well as stickier tires increase steering efforts. Another downside of it unfortunately.

[@dirtbmx225]

I’m sure you’ve mentioned it somewhere before but what lip are you running on your NA Miata?

[@jakelovescinema]

I love those mirrors man how can I find them?

[@fedzalicious]

No mention of scrub radius, motion ratio or extra hub stress?? If you reduce your wheel offset you increase your scrub radius, which generally isn't good. Manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to keep the scrub radius to a minimum. That's why factory rims have positive offset. Negative offset changes your steering geometry in such a way that uneven traction (like hitting a puddle on one side) will pull the steering wheel towards the side with more drag. This can also affect stability under braking. And moving the wheel outwards will give your suspension arms more leverage over the springs, which is equivalent to having softer springs. Not to mention the fact that it puts more stress on the wheel bearings and will wear them out faster. And I'm not sure about the states, but in Australia wheel spacers are illegal. If you have a crash on the street with wheel spacers on your insurance company won't pay out because the car's illegally modified.

[@Maxx8666]

How come your guards are pulled out at beginning of the video? Did you have wider wheels on at some point?

[@TheSlipAngle]

Yes, I used to run 15x8 +15 wheels with 225/45/15 Nitto NT01's as my track day tires, so everything is already pulled.

[@gabrielmarin4593]

What brand of lug nuts do you recommend?

[@TheSlipAngle]

Any quality aluminum forged, closed ended.

[@gabrielmarin4593]

@@TheSlipAngle what brands do you consider quality

[@T4ckyy]

So i putted in a angle kit on my brz Im planning to get a wide body kit and a wheel offset around 25%-50% and will the offset wheels ruin my drifting and let the angle kit so nothing?

[@TheSlipAngle]

The widened track might make the car rotate a little faster, but it shouldn't ruin your drifting. Just be careful with too wide of a track as it can hurt the driving experience in a lot of ways.

[@T4ckyy]

The Slip Angle thanks alot i just started getting into the car community

[@TheSlipAngle]

Any time!

[@cameronhall6623]

i’m super late on this video just got Rays gram lights 57dr transcend +35 on my na and i want these spacers just worried about grinding down the studs is it absolutely needed to fit them on ? please help

[@TheSlipAngle]

Hey Cameron it really depends on how much recess you have on the back of your wheels.

[@stephenswallow7654]

Did you go 20mm rear and front ?

[@TheSlipAngle]

Yes

[@David-oe7cc]

Hey there ! I was actually thinking of a similar upgrade to the one you have there on the turbo miata with 9" rims, I wanted to go for 8" rims 10offset, but I'm concerned about the positive scrub radius. Should I be worried about that? Can you adjust the suspension to fix that? Cheers!

[@TheSlipAngle]

I don't think that would be an issue. I run 9" with +10mm on my red turbo Miata and other than a little more tramlining, it still drives good.

[@David-oe7cc]

​@@TheSlipAngle have you felt any difference when braking? like somehow the wheels are harder to control?

[@PSP-Hacker]

Short question about your Lugnuts. On your website do you wrote, you use green Green Aluminum Lugnuts. But from which manufacturer are these Lugnuts? I drive on my ´99 NB 10th Anniversary blue open Mishimoto Lugnuts an these are shit, because open^^ I look for good qualitiy, fair price. I´m from germany, sorry for my bad englisch^^

[@TheSlipAngle]

I am really picky on the shade of green, so I have been buying a bunch of different eBay ones that are forged aluminum. These ones were completely different from what I ordered, but I kind of like the color so I left them lol.

[@porter4856]

Thoughts on poly bushings?

[@TheSlipAngle]

Both of my Miatas and my black FD are completely poly at this point minus engine mounts and the compliance bushings on the FD rear subframe (I previously had them poly as well) and so far they have been great. The NB was the first car I did and it was back in 2010.

[@BLAZEPSI]

16x8 wheel. What size tirea do you Run?

[@TheSlipAngle]

205/45/16 for street

[@dizzyrider3883]

I get that it’s complicated. So you mean an 8inch rim is an inch smaller than a 9inxh rim?

[@benjadonnelly2384]

Was that montage music a Minecraft remix?

[@TheSlipAngle]

No sir. The songs are in the description ;)

[@camilo3116]

What about of rx-8?

[@TheSlipAngle]

Are you asking if I would put spacers on my RX-8? Or on an RX-8 in general?

[@Hazelnut_surprise]

You really need to explain to your viewers the effects on suspension geometry that occur when you make such dramatic alterations to wheel width and offset. A bad scrub radius will cause dangerous instability under braking and will probably cause the car to be ‘sucked’ into puddles. A twitchy car is a slow car.

[@TheSlipAngle]

This is not really that dramatic of a change for scrub radius and certainly doesn't make the car twitchy. I run 15x9 +10 wheels on my turbo NA Miata and that car is maybe slightly more nervous with that extreme of a setup but still very capable. I held the track record for Lime Rock Park's auto X course for a while with that setup on 225 wide tires.

[@MrRotary]

That rx7 so sexy

[@hartmutflemming2045]

.....und der Rost wurde NICHT Entfernt ! forget it ...

[@TheYakkis]

Bruh...............you need a bigger watch

[@TheSlipAngle]

whatchoo recommend girlfrand?