2020 VS 2021 SUPRA..(Which one should you buy?)

[@ThicWhips]

One correction: I misspoke on the oil consumption thread poll. It’s the opposite of what I stated: 45% have reported that they DO NOT have the issue while 21% of people say that they do. My bad on the mixup! Thanks for watching Update: when the 2021 ecu does become tunable I will make an update video as well so you all know. LINK TO MY SUPRA BUILD SHEET: tinyurl.com/2wfc3632 MODIFICATIONS FROM ALL OF MY BUILDS: www.thicwhips.com All of my Wheel & Tire Setups: tinyurl.com/yyftysns

[@jmccarsnmore1025]

If you can swap the 2021 head to the 2020 block, why not swapping the 2020 pistons to the 2021 block?? What if the 2020 ECU could also be swapped to the 2021??

[@ThicWhips]

Well, I think for starters all of these parts you are talking about are going to cost a lot right now because these cars are very new. But furthermore, the amount of work any of that would take I don’t think is really worth it. When you can just buy the one that has zero issues from the Jump and is tunable. Not to mention, the 2021s wound have voided warranties left and right if you began pulling engines apart. I don’t think the head swap is worth it in general but who knows

[@jmccarsnmore1025]

@@ThicWhips For sure bro. But since you mentioned the head swapping, I went I little bit farther with the part swapping 😂 In all honestly, getting new pistons and rings will probably be cheaper than getting a whole engine head, imo. And, do you think Toyota will release a Supra with the S58 engine??

[@ThicWhips]

I honestly don’t know, I’ve heard the rumors but we all know how that goes. I would love to see it though, s58 is just insane

[@jmccarsnmore1025]

@@ThicWhips That would be amazing, and I can’t wait to see it, cause I don’t think I could afford it!! 😂

[@josephcarver71]

I have the 2021 A91 Refraction Blue Edition. 23,000 miles on it. No oil consumption issues. Eventuri intake and Engine cover, FTP Charge Pipe, CG Downpipe and plenty of carbon fiber inside and out. Only thing left until tune is the catback. That will be soon. Spoke with someone inside Titan Motorsports and it would appear that they are getting very very close to cracking the 2021 ECU and told me to expect a big announcement soon. My ECU build date is 6/1/2020. I provided my CAL ID and from what I have been told by Speed Industry it can not be unlocked yet. Thanks for the ECU cf cover info.....been looking for that. One issue that I have identified is the abnormal inside wear of my front tires.....I know ....I know...and yes I have already taken it in to the best wheel and tire place in Columbus, Ohio. Great people do a great job and really know their stuff. After evaluation the wheels tires and alignment. They found no issues except marked inside wear of those front. They said no way to make any adjustments at this time until Toyota comes up with a solution. Took this to Toyota and of course they just threw up their hands......no surprise there. Really love this car but don't really want to replace tires so frequently because of this. So here's my take on this.....Yes the 2021 will get unlocked and be turnable...probably sooner than many think and yes the tuned 2021 will ultimately make more power than the 2020.....I am guessing at least 50 more whp......so can you wait? Well I can. I am a physician who watched all of his friends buy homes, cars, travel etc. while I was starving and up to $100,000 in debt....back then we called it deferred gratification.....it worked fine for me then considering where I am at these days and will work just as well with the 2021 Supra. I really do appreciate your balanced approach to things and look forward to sharing with you. Anyone else with the tire wear issues?

[@topzki47]

Hey man how’s the reliability of your Supra so far? Thinking about getting but want to go brand new instead of used 2020

[@josephcarver71]

@@topzki47 It is exceptionally reliable. I have no oil consumption issues at all and I have 37,000 miles on it at this time. Soon will get garaged for weekend only driving. I did break it in properly and I strongly suspect the oil consumption issues are related to those who just can't wait...and don't correctly break it in....take the plunge you will not regret it. Good luck

[@topzki47]

@@josephcarver71 sounds good man 37k miles is alot. even with the Z coming i still prefer how the supra looks!

[@steventemple2514]

How did you go about your break in period? Did you follow manufacture recommended? I’ve read that you don’t want to baby it but you you also don’t want to beat on it. ex. WOT from 2k-4.5k. Keeping it in that recommend rev range but also making sure you’re getting into boost.

[@ronin120]

mind if I ask how old you are? Been thinking about the Supra or M2 (I like both cars...have yet to test drive either one...no surpas or M2s in my area). I am 45 and am digging the size of the Supra, but worry I may look too old for the car if that makes sense? Do you think it is a younger person's car? Similar to the CLA45 AMG (younger buyer) as opposed to the C63 AMG (older buyer)?

[@willanderson5366]

Thanks for this! I actually bought the '21 3.0 Premium, but without the intention of tuning. I've already got my scars of perpetually broken racecars. :P But I think you keep a really balanced opinion and deliver a lot of good info in here!

[@_M3NACE_]

All the ECU’s crack eventually

[@jasin1441]

Or we change them out for stand-alones

[@ahunnidlionsinhim]

why did I read this in Thanos' voice

[@jasin1441]

@@ahunnidlionsinhim because I'm actually Thanos

[@batman-telephoneman5479]

@@jasin1441 because you are all man-child's and should cringe at it.

[@jeffsteyn7174]

No. This isn't Netflix.

[@TStrait21]

Jon your content and delivery has gotten so good man. Harder to appreciate when you see it happen slowly over time but it's crazy when compared to your videos from two plus years ago

[@ThicWhips]

Thank you brother

[@ChokolateSushi23]

I remember when the R35 GT-Rs ecu was “uncrackable” when they first came out, and they cracked it pretty quickly. The 21 Supra’s ecu will be cracked in time. Personally I don’t think that should be a deterrent for somebody. I feel like the upgrades the 21 has would be worth it

[@Kai240i]

I have a 2017 m240i 6 port exhaust manifold 1st gen b58 with 32k miles mhd stage 2. I put in 7 liter of 0w30 oil in, drove and race for 1 whole year 4k miles later, change the oil and still 7 liter of relatively clean oil came out. Not even 1 pint of oil was consumed, amazing!!! I think just the new 2021 supra having that issue, probably due to their new piston rings design or just a bad batch of rings and pistons.

[@danielclark1003]

Caught the mod bug back in 95, even Valtrex can't get rid of it ... gr8 content ... best looking BMW out there !

[@ThicWhips]

Lmfaooo

[@HayateV3]

I know this may not really matter, but YOU are the one who convinced me to look more into the MK5 Supra. After watching some of your videos, I was set on test driving one. The day of the test drive, one appeared in my garage. I have a 2021. I’ll tune it after the warranty is up (with the new crack) but until then I’m just here to enjoy her.

[@TheKrumpet69]

I got lucky and happened to buy an earlier manufactured '21 (built 3/20) and it has no oil consumption issues so far (it is a 3.0 base...so not premium; pricing on the base model was very lucrative...well under 50k in the winter for a brand new base 3.0)... I've been dailying mine and its killin me... 6k miles and I got it in Feb.

[@mvaldez5626]

Is it still pretty bad ass? I m looking into one

[@skywalk3x]

I have a 2021 Supra got it tuned through Ecutek and have had no issues with the oil consumption. I had to get it bench unlocked and it’s a crazy whip 😉

[@ThicWhips]

Bussin

[@biggusbestus551]

The 2020 makes sense from the standpoint that less power equals longer engine life. That is for someone that can be happy with the stock engine power of the 2020. I would rather upgrade the suspension and brakes for a starting point anyway. I enjoy a challenging road more than a 1/4 mile race, anyway ...

[@jvb6961]

The new fenders look too good 🔥🔥

[@baronv3]

2021 Here. Proper break in with track use after 1200k. 7500k now, no problems so far. My buddy has a jb4 21 with 4k no issues with proper break in. We think the oil issues probably come from beating on the car too early, just our thoughts

[@ActNasty5]

Still going good? Im so torn, about to to get one very soon

[@JewishLewish]

I just bought a 2021 3.0 Premium brand new for 51.8 before taxes. Not in a rush to tune at all, but definitely hope its tune-able within the next year or two :)

[@maxwellkeeling3781]

I think this will give you time to really enjoy the car and it's current limits. Doing a few bolt-ons here and there if wanted, will give you a better step approach. Having this time will also help eck out any issues that can be covered under warranty!

[@Southpark124]

Damn they scammed you bro, I got my '20 in 2020 for 49.5 w/ taxes.

[@JewishLewish]

@@Southpark124 the market is a bit different now, it was actually a good deal :)

[@JewishLewish]

@@maxwellkeeling3781 true!

[@brianb7844]

@@JewishLewish Agreed! You got a good deal in the current environment.

[@mkv.exe21]

I really cant believe that it's December 26, 2023 and so far the only way to get the 2021+ unlocked is by sending it to Femto in Europe

[@readmposter]

I think Bmw has a bad rep more so than anything. I just hit 130k in my N55 powered 335i and have had 0 issues. If you take care of it, it will last. If you neglect it, then like anything it will break. Run a Honda without changing your oil and see what happens....

[@dannyllerenatv8635]

To be honest man, I think BMW can just be hit or miss sometimes. They get a bad rap, but there are also plenty of them that have lasted long. For every horror story you hear with BMW, there are also BMWs that manage to live long lives. My mother has a 2015 X4 28i with plenty of miles on it and the car has been just fine without any issues. Yeah BMWs can have their issues, but sometimes you get lucky and find one that is hassle free.

[@stayslidewayz]

hahah theirs a video on youtube the honda last with no oil or coolant they bullet proof 🤣🤣

[@Cheiiba]

Bad example with the Honda 🤣

[@dubsrevo]

Glad I got my 2020. Still stock and just hit 8k miles, love the car. If 2021's dont get their shit together with Fast 9 coming out the 2020's value might shoot up

[@ActNasty5]

Lel too bad that movie wasnt even about modding cars😂

[@mr.whatever2837]

I wonder if the 2021 Z4 has oil issues too.

[@foca656]

I have the 2020 Z4 M40i and it does.I have 14k in it and before the oil change I had to take it to the dealership for a free quart.I had a 06 M3 before and it took a quart always around 4K miles into the oil change.I am used to BMW engines.

[@tigerbiterhater]

As an A91 owner in Cali. I’m glad my ECU is lock. I won’t have the urge to try to mod. Plus , Cali smog and BARS no joke out here. It’s not even worth the headaches. Lmao.

[@bman1668]

We’ll stock a91 are pretty quick if u ask me the updated 2021 is quick car already runs 11.8 stock

[@Daniel-ei5si]

what part of cali you from?

[@steinway325]

As 2020 owners, we are a little biased. but when I was choosing between leftover 2020's vs new 2021, it was a no brainer for me based on all the reasons you mentioned. I actually don't even care to tune, i like the car as is stock. but that could be a selling point for resale. there's no guarantee that 2021s will ever be unlockable. And like you said, a modified 2021 isn't going to be WAY faster anyway. Better to just go with a sure thing. To boot, I got my 2020 with zero miles for 52k after TTL, when Toyota was still giving cash rebate

[@jonathanbarrientos9151]

I just bought my 21' 3.0 premium in black with the carbon fiber mirror caps and I love it! This video is what convinced me to get it

[@Watcher369]

I have a 2020 launch- its not that you have 0 issues, its that you are not consuming like this 2021s. Check your charge pipe, you will have some oil in there from the blowby. Every supra has this issue and catch cans do not help. That being said, I never had to add oil so there is definitely something up with the 2021s

[@Joolz1982]

Thanks for engine screen shot. We cannot get the 2021 GR Supra in the U.K sadly at the moment, so will get a 2020 also those oil burning issues on 2021 concern me, but seems erratic between one 2021 car and another it does mention oil burning in the Owners manual though someone has shown. BMW usually oil burn generally though right as you said.

[@jeconsta]

I wish you made this video 6 months ago, back in December I got my 2021 Supra. I thought the 21 was going to be better because of all the updates plus I couldn't find a good deal on a 2020

[@TheStevenQ]

How much did you end up paying if you don’t mind me asking ? I’m looking to be in the market late this year, and doing some research now

[@jeconsta]

@@TheStevenQ 56k

[@ActNasty5]

@@jeconsta 2020s are damn near the same price 😂

[@bman1668]

In the long run 21 will be better once ecu cracked also resell value 21 will be better with updated engine

[@ActNasty5]

@@bman1668 debatable. Oil consumption issues, and the ones that are unlocked and modded i heard are similar to modded 20s

[@wil8115]

Aug 2021, tuner in europe claims to have cracked it, but they only offer flash, send them ecu, they flash based on your mods, then send it back..

[@GlenJMorrison]

Good video bro. I bought mine in August 2019 and considered upgrading until I found out I couldn't tune and the oil issue!! Your mods are sick...well done!!

[@ronin120]

his mods are awesome!

[@B58SUPRA]

Excellent job! The locked ECU’s are actually saving the warranties for those that would’ve tuned. I’m seeing consumption @3K, and knew about the issues beforehand, but the draw of that Refraction Blue was too strong to stay away. 😄

[@ThicWhips]

Haha that’s one way to look at it I suppose

[@nicholaslong3010]

How much are you burning? I got 3,700 and all I added was one liter.

[@B58SUPRA]

@@nicholaslong3010 there’s a quarter left on the dipstick display till I get the low oil light.

[@jkljkl218]

When my friend bought his supra, this came straight from the dealer. If the car is tuned and modified, they said the warranty still covers it. Which surprised me and I kept asking and the man behind the desk said they cover everything. Even if you change your wheels, so long as they're the same spec wheels as the stock ones, they will cover that along with.

[@ayyyman_]

This is really helpful! I'm planning on getting a Supra very soon. Just waiting for the right deal

[@peterr5243]

Can I ask u how much u putting down and monthly payments u plan to get in looking to get one as well

[@njskater360]

@@peterr5243 Next year I'm going to be in the market again. Looking at a supra and GTR R35. If I do pick a supra would be 2020. I'll be putting down 10k-15k depends on the deal I get on the supra.

[@derwinjax]

800,000 plus hp….lol. That was hilarious! But I completely agree with ya’.

[@skywalk3x]

“May of 2021 and no crack” did try downtown lol

[@Cernunn0s90]

Looks can be as subjective as they want, but the A90 Supra is just objectively god damn beautiful...

[@303wrx]

I got lucky with the DME in my 2021. It’s tuned with Ecutek and I’m hoping I don’t have any oil consumption issues down the road 😅

[@DotcomJoe]

Lucky you. I’m locked 😭

[@laweeeee]

Actually the Acura 3.7 V6 and Nissan VQ are known to have oil consumption issues.

[@harrisonz9988]

One of the best videos I've seen from A90 Supra owners, very good talk. Thanks bro.

[@warrencabaniss7216]

Bruh oil consumption is normal as hell on a Bimmer, I’d be worried if a Bimmer wasn’t going through 1-2 qts a month 😂

[@bman1668]

Lol 😂

[@beastleontv7595]

has become my fav channel over the last few days loving it

[@ronin120]

I have never modded a car before so the 2021/22 would be fine for me. I would like to make some cosmetic mods (wheels, tint, splitters, and such), and maybe some bolt items such as charge pipe, intake, and any other preventative items. I already know the car is pretty fast stock so not too worried about that. Side note, I discovered your change about 4 days ago and have enjoyed your M2 and Supra builds. I am actually trying to decide between the two myself. If you had to chose one, which did you enjoy driving and owning more?

[@BabaYagaRacing]

Wanna mod and go fast? Go 2020!

[@ThicWhips]

Ayeeee 🚀

[@beexiong2995]

2020 value will go up if the future dme's are unlockable

[@supranova730]

Why do they lock certain 2021 Supras ECUs but not all? That is strange. I wonder if they are concerned about the 2021 reliability and thus made the decision to lock the ECU after getting some data back from test mules early in production of the 2021.

[@cjpp78ytube]

The 2021 supra has same B58 variant as the M340 and U.S spec Z4. I'm driving a 2021 M340 and it too needed 1 quart of oil added at 6500 miles. BMW's attitude is that it's normal. The oil was changed at around 9700 miles and now car has close to 15k miles..so far so good, still full.

[@austinweippert4065]

Toyota changed a fair bit on the b58 for the supra

[@PrettyBoiiRob2JZ]

I don’t mind waiting for my 21 Supra ECU to be cracked, patience is key.

[@liveinfear707]

Same!💯 ill wait a few months! Save some cash to be ready to get tuned!

[@skywalk3x]

I have a 2021, Ecutek is the way to go if you want a tune. But get new wider tires ASAP lol. I can’t even floor it below 45mph with traction off

[@justinwallace3848]

@@skywalk3x wdym? You can’t tune a 2021, ur just capping in a comment section

[@ThicWhips]

Yes, you can. Some of the 2021s have ecu’s built pre- June of 2020.

[@skywalk3x]

@@justinwallace3848 soooooo I’m capping? Cmon bro no need to lie. Call Speed Industry to see if I’m lying. My tuners name is Jeff and my car is sick. So before you think someone is lying do some research. If the car was built before a certain date is it tunable, including 2021 cars…. No cap bruh

[@abirmahmud1334]

U should get some carbon mirror caps next it would look good 👌🏽

[@Lilbeefnoodlesoup]

what wheel specs and tires? i love that fitment

[@havingfr7098]

Needed a oil change at 4000 miles, toyota told me it was a software update 😂😂

[@ActNasty5]

Wut😂

[@clpauto3710]

for your info on the poll, you mixed it up. The amount of people that reported that they dont have an oil consumption issue is DOUBLE (not half as stated) as people who did report to have issues. 51 had no issues, 24 did. This means the majority of people dont have the issue.

[@ThicWhips]

Thanks I have made a correction in a pinned comment

[@godrive6902]

I loved this video! Well put together

[@peterwho9380]

Beautiful car brother and she's done up exactly how I would want my Supra!

[@aswaggyferret4280]

Those wheels look so good on that car 😍

[@dbrr558]

Fav supra in CLT area

[@sarvarbekismailov4094]

After watching ur video last month i went with supra instead of c8 and I'm really happy, men act like kids when they see it. People just scream of that's supra and shit when they see it

[@thebritish910]

Lol, speed limit 35 sign in the opening sequence haha. Another great video sir, thank you!

[@myfavs1972]

Really looking forward to you getting the "pure" and your thoughts.

[@turqazo]

Just subscribed ,great video on info.✊

[@noelnarayan6135]

Thnx for vid. But just curious on a few things of the 2020 vs 2021. How different is the 6 port vs the 2 port? What does that mean for potential power/tq building goals if say the 2021 ecu was cracked and tuneable. Will the 2021 have the higher ceiling on the stock motor? Same question goes for other things you briefly mentioned, like the 2021 has different compression and pistons? If so, how will that also play a role in someone trying to get the most out of their stock motor 2020 vs 2021?

[@TGUNNER777]

I’d like to know these things as well.

[@Chrisstian111]

Just a great comparison. Thank you. 😀

[@DotcomJoe]

When I mustang dynoed my stock tune a91 21 with a dp i made 404whp and my friends fbo tuned 2020 made 410whp I would say once the 2021s are tunable it’s gunna be the one everyone wants. Took a while to crack the 2020 ecu and will be the same for the 2021s.

[@ThicWhips]

Downpipe and tune my car made 440whp. Dp tune on e50 I make 507whp. Your buddy with the 2020 has a bad tune or something, Bc that is very low. All of my numbers are public, they can be found under CES MOTORSPORT playlist. The car has been dyno’d every step of the way since stock.

[@DotcomJoe]

@@ThicWhips was that on a mustang dyno? Maybe just a bad tune then I guess.

[@ThicWhips]

Dynojet, understandably these read a bit high. But what I pay attention is relative hp, from stock until now. Since we used the same dyno and similar conditions (ait’s) we have the hp jumps from stock, to dp, to dp+tune, to dp+e50 tune and now we have dp+e50+meth+tune which made about 550whp. At 507 whp, that was about a 170whp jump over stock. Just with dp, e50 tune

[@DotcomJoe]

@@ThicWhips ya if it were to be a mustang dyno it would be like 420-430 which makes sense with a good tune on a 2020 with pump.

[@alextasarov1341]

I didn’t realize there was that much of a difference! The more you know

[@willymahmoud3373]

Love your vids bro, awesome car keep killing it 👍🏻

[@buqueretrofittinganddetail6224]

The sound of your exhaust bro it's epic 👌👌love it

[@caelh3858]

What’s ur 0-60 & 1/4? Rlly interested in modding a Supra bc of u

[@bigcatloverelys6405]

Oil consumption and 4 tires in almost 2 years, those have been my issues. I absolutely love the car. I was actually the first supra gr owner in Washington state, and I loved the attention the car had, well still getting lol. Question anybody knows what type of coolant the car uses?

[@_Mathias.]

what for wheels are this on your supra looks sick

[@TherealGM4NN]

Do you keep it sport mode all the time ?

[@dylanharty4164]

Awesome video as per usual man! Making me wanna trade my 340i for a 2020 Supra a little more every video

[@ikakhazho]

same 😂

[@ricastar2931]

What’s your wheel and tire setup

[@danny_r27]

Just like that one girl that got the low oil light warning and proceeded to drive it because she said she had to get to the gym. Guess what? She blew her engine up, blames it on toyota, deletes the video where she said and showed herself driving it low on oil, and complained how long it took for Toyota to put a new engine in it. Then her simps (because she’s apparently famous due to OnlySimps) started trashing both Toyota and BMW... mostly BMW. Then some people reminded her how it blew up in the first place and that it was a sign that she wasn’t meant to have a car if she can’t take care of it. It is what it is. For me it’s between a used A90 Supra or a used G20 M340i in that nice blue color as my next car once I’m done with college. Those extra seats and doors may come in handy later on. Both are amazing cars, but I’m gonna want to have just one car for a good 2 years before I get another one. The G20 M340i seems like the more practical one, that’s what’s appealing a bit more to me 😅

[@PinoyZo1]

Coupes are so much more fun than extra seats tho lol

[@senseofstile]

Thanks for the info. It looks like a great car. I have read somewhere that there is no oil dipstick. Is that true?

[@anthonyschluter8531]

No dip stick… that’s true. No BMW engine has a dipstick anymore.

[@senseofstile]

@@anthonyschluter8531 That is a bad decision on their part. If something occurs with the engine, the first thing you do is look at the oil or also smell the oil. Also you can see if there is a possibility it could be overfilled. The really bad scenario is a shop might say they changed the oil but, didn't. You can't check the dipstick to verify. Or perhaps they made an honest mistake and "thought" they changed the oil. Again this creates a big problem. Without a dipstick, none of that troubleshooting can occur. Some people claim BMW are just disposable limited use autos. I guess without a dipstick, they are probably correct. Just lease one for a year. You shouldn't need a dipstick for that.

[@derwinjax]

Nice ride. What wheel and tire size are you running. I see too many quickly put bigger rims and wafer thin tires. Yours looks great!

[@lIlIllll1]

For like the first 15 min I thought that hoodie was pure white LOL! Nice hoodie bro!

[@vizionnite7086]

everyone should get the 2020 so my 2021 will rise in value. No Oil consumption and tuned 🔥

[@Resch72113]

If everyone wants the 2020 that means the 2020’s price goes up ? 😂 are you smoking crack

[@Rippseyy]

Where did you buy the carbon fiber splitters all around?

[@Hurry_Revive_Me]

Sounds lame but I hope they dont crack 2021s for awhile. Makes us 2020 owners more valuable haha

[@supranova730]

A lot of people were happy to get the 2021 because it came with more power. Looking like the 2020 is the way to go regarding reliability and the ability to mod it.

[@bman1668]

2021 early Models are tunable and faster on top end mod vs mod or stock vs stock . 2021 pull harder top end

[@vinhtran123]

Tune or no tune, I'd still be happy just to own a Supra.

[@mtbridingog9083]

Bmw you mean

[@usmceric1]

Is this the B58tu? I have a 2020 M340i with the updated motor before they went to the partial hybrid thingy. 6 port manifold.

[@jake-yg4ej]

Crazy thing they're not much cheaper the 2020s over the new. Maybe a 5k difference for that I would buy new

[@lyendba1]

Would you go for the jarama race track edition running the lower power to avoid the oil issue n if u wanted to map it asap, or wait and get the 2023 auto? Looking at it 12 months on…

[@fatehbawany9672]

how significant is the exhaust manifold difference?

[@CHICOBM]

I know I said it before but I like your attitude bro, always positive no matter what. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ThicWhips]

👊🏽

[@Tdking830]

Toyota reversed engineered that B58 engine for all 2020 models. They bumped the engines HP for the 2021 model and Toyota didn’t do a tear down for this years models 🥲. In my opinion the 2020 models are the most reliable BMW engine on the market

[@supranova730]

And maybe that is why they locked the 2021 ECU. But that doesn't explain why all of the 2021 ECUs were not locked.

[@Tdking830]

@@supranova730 I honestly won’t be surprised if they did it for safety reasons maybe. That car has a lot of potential once flashed and tuned properly it’s crazy.

[@ThicWhips]

I could be completely wrong but I have a feeling that it is related to pressure from the epa. Trying to force emission standards and prevent tunes.

[@supranova730]

That is the million dollar question. Why are some ECUs locked and some are not. There were even some 2020s with locked ECUs but they could be cracked. If the late 2020 models and all of the 2021 models had a locked ECU it would make sense. But randomly locking late 2020 models and late 2021 model ECUs make no sense.

[@BlackNAVYAmericanVET]

This car looks (echoes ) Curving style-of the 1989 Batman Batmobile 👍🏽

[@RealEstateDad68]

Who put on your steering wheel brother and where did you buy it? Link?

[@heh2k]

Where'd you get that steering wheel with the thumb impressions? I rented a '21 and it had stitching that was uncomfortable.

[@Boosted_5.0]

what website did you use to look at those used 2020 supras

[@a91dan54]

i had the oil consumption issue myself had to add oils twice within 3000 miles, changed to a thicker oil and no more issue. Most of the guys who had the issue were guys that was pushing it really hard daily.

[@ThicWhips]

Good to hear, Which oil are you now running?

[@a91dan54]

motul 5w30

[@a91dan54]

i was told by the master mechanic at toyota that the factory oil is way too thin and that toyota didn’t take that into effect when they made the changes

[@ThicWhips]

Yeah that makes sense

[@supranova730]

@@a91dan54 I wonder if the thicker oil is just the way to go regardless if you have a 2021 or 2020?

[@kckuc310]

Nice ride!

[@STEELO-247]

If Toyota expected these cars to be modified, why would they lock the ECU down so much?

[@justinwallace3848]

It wasn’t Toyota rather BMW, most of the 2021 BMW’s have been impossible to crack, many people have used JB4 as that isn’t a DME flash

[@supranova730]

Toyota tuned the Supra so they have access to the ECU. It is them locking it. I also wondered why some 2021 were locked. I heard some 2020 were locked but they could be cracked. Now, apparently, Toyota locked the 2021 with stronger encryption. I hypothesized that maybe Toyota got some test data back from some test mules early in the production of the 2021 and that made them think maybe the 2021 might have some reliability issues so it is best to lock the ECU. It is very interesting to why this actually happened.

[@flo-ridafpv5713]

@@supranova730 i suspect its EPA related

[@supranova730]

@@flo-ridafpv5713 you could be right, but why are some not locked? Inquiring minds wants to know 😂

[@flo-ridafpv5713]

@@supranova730 idk man maybe sum made before epa stepped in

[@hunchoG20]

Bought some tuner cult gear as well 😂 hey you never know 👀

[@ThicWhips]

Fingers crossed 😆

[@supranova730]

@@ThicWhips I assume you want the McLaren 😂

[@ThicWhips]

Yes please 😂

[@nickchaconas]

Not saying this is in the same league but my friends 2017 NSX ecu still isn't unlocked. Now that could be because there aren't as many people working on unlocking it but I feel like if a car that's several years old now isn't unlocked and the C8 still isn't unlocked... we may be waiting a long while on the 21's to be unlocked

[@ThicWhips]

There are wayyyy more people interested in tuning the new Supra over the new Nsx.

[@nickchaconas]

@@ThicWhips oh agreed lol but it’s just crazy that the 21 hasn’t been unlocked and the C8 hasn’t been unlocked. Also have you heard any news on a 22? I haven’t seen anything yet

[@ThicWhips]

They are getting real good at making these ecus difficult to get into. Probably has to do with pressure from epa as well

[@nickchaconas]

@@ThicWhips most likely. Will be interesting to see if the 400z will be unlocked

[@ThicWhips]

That will certainly be interesting

[@suprasport9118]

Is it possible to change the sound in between shifts?

[@chrisc5100]

I would assume an ECU date of 6/17/19 is tuneable correct? Or does it have to be between 1/1/20 and 6/1/20

[@bpi537]

This is the sickest fitment ive ever seen in a supra. Are you on coils?

[@ThicWhips]

Yeah kw v3

[@theturkishrider]

whatever you say , whether "high performance" or "german engines" ,filling up oil every 1000 miles is not normal at all. Saying that means all german engines(specifically bmw's) or high performance cars drains oil in same level as the supra. Thinking of Track only BMW S1000RR even does not drain oil that fast, I can easily say that 1000 miles oil drain is not normal. Does anyone actually know why it drains oil that fast? Is it because wrong grade of oil? I'd assume 5w30 or 5w40 can be suitable for 3L turbo engine. Or is it because something to do within the enigne? something to do with oil filter? Is there an issue with the coolant system? I'd love to know the reason why it drains oil as I am looking to get Supra.

[@dirklenaerts1628]

Hello, now I am confused. You are talking about the date on the ecu to see if it’s tunable. Here in Europe we only get the 340hp version. Even now in 2021 and the next years. The 380 hp version will not come to Europe. So if I buy a 2021 340hp, is it possible it can’t be tuned? Or is it just the 380hp’s ecu that is blocked ?

[@Sonic_1000]

My 21 quit drinking oil at 10k miles. If you know B58's you already know. Most people freak out early on.

[@backroadreviews7353]

I have a 2021 just got the Carbahn tune with full warranty. They can tune the 2021. There is no one that knows BMW engines better than Steve Dinan.

[@alvarochavez1109]

Sounds like Toyota placed their codes on them 2021 ECUs and no one will be able to crack them.. either the 2020s ECU bout to be more costly or standalone like the A80s will be more common.

[@OG-Diamond]

so for auto 2020 supra can be modded? even though its automatic?

[@gman1008]

What happened after your brake recall? Did the dealer reset your ECU and did you lose your tune? I just had my 2020 recall done but I haven’t tuned it yet and the dealer told me the recall didn’t lock the ECU. I have a launch edition and is the same color ext/int as yours. I love the car and I haven’t even moded it yet. Yes some of those forum discussions get freakin crazy. I just have to laugh at the ridiculousness to keep myself sane!

[@jmccarsnmore1025]

Looks like Toyota messed it up by replacing the 2020 engine way too soon, without performing the same “Quality Control” they did to the 2020 engine.

[@bigneutron77]

Nah man I got 10k on my 2021 and no oil issues, plus it’s so much fun gapping 2020 Supra’s lol

[@jmccarsnmore1025]

@@bigneutron77 Damn, shots fired!! 😂 I guess you are one of the exemptions of the rule!! Congrats on you!!

[@ThicWhips]

Don’t be shy @bigneutron77 , show us your power #s. 😁

[@jmccarsnmore1025]

@@ThicWhips Why deleted the 🧢?? He might be talking stock 2021 and stock 2020. I’m up waiting for the face to face video!! 😂

[@ThicWhips]

He’s not stock, look at his channel. Lol

[@jonathankrum3016]

Car looks great. They will crack the idme with out fail.