This Is What Professional WoW PvP Looks Like In The War Within

[@ilya_tolstyi]

bro you got some game in your interface

[@saulenh]

Hey, sorry for my UI being a cluttered mess- if anyone has any suggestions on what I should do to improve it please let me know!

[@nerbuhc]

are you playing on a 27in monitor?

[@teeddfzfzf]

hey , you re tracking what u need to track i think it is just a matter of resolution/ screen size. your buff/debuffs on the top right of the screen are really big , etc making the ui look cluttered. some people like kalvish are tracking even more spellz and most ppl are not complaining because everything in his ui is smaller , keep doing what works for you tho ! gg on the previous tourny

[@Venruki]

ROFL, I think you're ok dude

[@nerbuhc]

@@teeddfzfzf ye i have that issue, i play on a 27in monitor and if i stream in discord my buddies say my shit looks so fucked up 😂

[@pjtyra2106]

Love your attitude, Saul! You earned a fan here. Good luck to all of your teams events going forward.

[@maddyleaf]

Sauls team sounds so much like me and a couple of college friends when we tried to climb in WoD. The vibes were also immaculate, I miss those days a ton.

[@Earthfurry717]

2:35 It's insane you can be Ring of peace, Whirling Dragon punched, Thunderstorm knocked and none of it Drs with eachother...

[@Kurnhelios]

I really think that being knocked once should cap your knock DR, it's such a difficult form of CC to deal with and there's not much you can do about it. If you play a caster and if you've ever been rop'ed against a wall and you're just bouncing back and forth unable to do anything, you know what I'm talking about.

[@Josh-ml4gi]

Hey Ven, This was really cool to watch, and would love to see more content like this!

[@padshardbank]

Saul games were amazing, especially because of their comms.

[@magdabrownis265]

Saul is my favorite player atm. I like to root for the lesser played specs

[@twitchtv-sweatyscience]

He gets so much out of Enhance. Best comms as well.

[@viberaider6852]

First time hearing saul lol hes such a positive teammate

[@Shadovvwithoutbody]

I love to see that UA is finally being casted out. For many years it was nearly impossible to land it and keep it up that long period of time.

[@ramonalexferreira6191]

This give me a Idea. A Interview with the pro player while playing 3s together

[@berryford]

I really want to enjoy WoW PVP but this is so unfollowable. I know what all the spells do but can't begin to even know where the simplest strategy or even who is being focused begins.

[@dominicnolfo3425]

Yeah that goes just about any sport too at the highest level. You know how football works but you don’t know why a coach is calling plays.

[@NickRigas-rd3zv]

@@dominicnolfo3425 no. Stop coping man. WOW is on a whole nother level for being a completely indistinguishable cluster fuck. In football I know when a team almost scores a touchdown even if I don’t know the rules. Here, if you don’t know the game totally inside and out you can’t even tell who is winning. That’s why wow pvp never succeeded and many other games did.

[@balancebreaker1561]

wth u even talking about, its the same with everything in life, if u dont understand it, practice it, u cant naturally know shit

[@NickRigas-rd3zv]

@@balancebreaker1561 lmfao

[@berryford]

The skill floor is just set too high, if its not already too late yall are gonna gatekeep WoW PvP until absolutely nobody plays it. WOW PvP needs big changes. Its own talent tree and big prune to abilities available in PvP.

[@nick_cooper]

15:45 Saul: I'm fine I'm fine I'm fine *dies*

[@marshallmccurry8297]

The amount of precog's Sam had is unbelievable.

[@PullupTight]

These are the guys starting at 1600

[@kone5206]

Idk why people hate pvp. Is one of the best if not best in all game industry, only problem is that devs focusing more on pve, then pvp and also pvp every expansion have less and less players because of complexity for new players. So much time you need invest to be good, or just watchs some guides 😊 I wonder what if blizzard reduce amount of spells to use in pvp. Maybe they can balance pvp easyer if we have like 10 spells Max to use...

[@PJSM94]

PvP doesn't make money. Most people play WoW to fight NPCs.

[@SuperViktorov]

"I dont know why people hate pvp"... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@pxkdrake]

People who actively "hate" pvp just simply aren't good at it, that's an objective fact not an opinion. To have that strong of a feeling over a video game mode is what gives it away, if you just don't like it or are neutral to it that's different. As to simplifying the skills, the answer to that is no. They already tried this, it's what killed the game in the first place. They homogenized everything, and reduced talents to literally 5 "choices". No thanks

[@SuperViktorov]

@@pxkdrake 1.The game is clearly not balanced ... 2.There are no specs at all... 3.everything is self healing ... the list goes on and on... the game is bulshit ... Thats why people prefer more pve nowdays ...

[@Shotzeethegamer]

​@@PJSM94it's a video game - it's not to make money.

[@jamesdiato]

I really hate how much icons there are now. Like 10-15+ debuffs are insane. I swear most of us dont even pay attention to every single one.

[@ohemge12]

same with buffs aswell, wish blizzard would add more options to the UI in general and in PvP, cds should be shown on the character portrait for both teams without having to use addons imo

[@iPanicyt]

Youre not supposed to pay attention to every single one. There is not a single buff you need to keep track of in the whole game outside of external defensives. Any damage modifier happens because you activate it with an action, which you just learn, and any random modifier you dont play around anyway. It's just holding you back thinking that it is something to look out for. Debuffs on the other hand is another story, you might want to look out for havoc for example so you know when youre about to get double coiled, but that shows on your party frames anyway and is visible with bigdebuffs.

[@ohemge12]

@@iPanicyt "you think you do but you dont" is what I just read. I just want the clutter off the screen man lmao

[@thegamerdadshow]

I play wow for 20 years with 130+ ms... feels crazy to see people playing with low ms... i wish I had it that easy LOL

[@utlord]

80% of the screen is icons, omg. how is this enjoyable to play?

[@Aikicyoaz]

You dont play pvp for aesthetics

[@ApolloCondor]

Said it for years just remove 2 cds and 6 buttons from people. Simplifying yet still being skilled. Remove addons. Blizzard should just implement.

[@citizen4610]

Don't you love how every class now has 8 buttons that do dps, and 4 buttons that increase your dps?

[@braaapdaps6814]

They don’t play tournaments for enjoyment, this is their livelihood.

[@geekstomper5562]

very immersive gameplay staring at plates/bars/buttons all game. maybe it wouldnt have to be this way if cooldowns weren tso giga op. idk

[@iAmRiPX]

Sauls voice and coms sounds like the shaman version of the kwok i love it

[@clauslarsen8971]

nice loved the whole video

[@CrimezUp]

Pikaboo always delivers an exquisite rogue gameplay.

[@chrisstich5971]

So much Adderall in one tourney

[@sinnoc13]

Wow, why do they have to repeat every word word word as fast as possible?

[@MrAleB305]

@@sinnoc13 Its a very fast paced game, I used to talk like that when i did arenas back in the day and I was never on anything. I think there's also a cultural thing where people have always talked liked that in their games and so other people picked it up too.

[@jinfeng7360]

4:00 "Snutz is a recruiter for an online entertainment business" my first thoughts were.... is he an onlyfans manager?

[@Slickhuman]

This is how your modern average 1900 mmr 3s game looks like. Lol

[@curcuru11]

Pika is insane dude holy ssshiitttt

[@PJSM94]

Idc what disadvantage I'm at, but my UI is so small for party and enemy frames. I also hide spells that are useless, or have no CD/procs. I make my bars smaller, too. My only addons are bigdebuffs and omnibar. I need to actually see. Idk how people function like this. It's 10% game 90% UI.

[@nerbuhc]

NIce coverage

[@AngryChair1983]

This is why I just can't play arena. How in the hell is that fun

[@braaapdaps6814]

At this level, they all play for MONEY. You guys don’t seem to understand this lol… It’s not for fun, it’s a career for the top 50 or so.

[@july5345]

​@@braaapdaps6814WoW PvP is probably the worst eSport to make money. Getting paid chump change compared to every other game.

[@braaapdaps6814]

@@july5345 Fantastic point. And what is it that you do for a living?

[@edog551]

@@braaapdaps6814 Unless you get 1st place, you're literally making no money. Oh wow $4,000 a year playing WoW. What a career! lmao you child

[@jacobshaw9820]

@@braaapdaps6814 You don't seem to understand how little these people are making for the amount of effort they put in. They're not playing because of money, they're playing because they love the game. There are practically no teams with sponsors in the AWC because there is next to zero money to be made from these events.

[@ethanyup2706]

This might be the most delusional comment section I’ve ever seen

[@NickRigas-rd3zv]

@@ethanyup2706 you mean a bunch of people pointing out why wow PvP is a failed concept?

[@ethanyup2706]

@@NickRigas-rd3zv to me it seems the people that are commenting just haven’t put in the time to actually understand what’s going on in the game. It’s like there breaking it before even trying it. They weren’t good for the first 2 days they played so they quit and now talk shit on it.

[@NickRigas-rd3zv]

@@ethanyup2706 and it’s this take that is why wow pvp is totally dead. Why would someone want to take the time to learn all of this? For what? You can play a moba and have a much better experience in a fraction of the time. Why would a new player or an outsider ever care? They don’t. That’s why wow pvp is a total joke. The game just keeps adding more and more and more until it is just diluted to nothing. You have to remember this is a game, and people have to want to learn it for it to do well. There is absolutely no incentive to learn this that isn’t vastly superior in multiple other categories.

[@ethanyup2706]

@@NickRigas-rd3zv good thing taste in video games are subjective. Though some of these comments are still insane to me.

[@NickRigas-rd3zv]

@@ethanyup2706 but total player count isn’t subjective. The game could be so much better and takes like these just hold it back.

[@byroncubides]

Lol that's why wow pvp is not popular just look at the screen...

[@christianisweet]

Games a complete pve shitshow infinite mobility and micro cc

[@marcosmorfin5619]

That's just his UI. I see you're ability to comprehend information is not very good lol

[@dragonsauce358]

I would also say that retail pvp is harder and takes more skill than classic even though it's a shit show

[@marcosmorfin5619]

@@dragonsauce358 I mean to an extent but it's a complicated game. It's not something you can just jump into and start winning. Gotta put a little bit more time into the grind, learn what other classes are doing other than the one you play and do youre best and learn from you're losses.

[@dragonsauce358]

@marcosmorfin5619 I mean that's not new is it? You've needed that skill and knowledge since tbc

[@plague6174]

"The Move is back" I mean.... were they ever gone? 💀

[@plasticbudgie]

The messiest U.I ever lol. I wish they had non U.I tournament's maybe just gladius thats it. Would be slower and more fun to see the meta shift, or even just gameplay slow down.

[@Minerals333]

Why do they have all the games in consecutive weeks? Would be much more interesting to have tournaments throughout the season, with the finals near the end of the season. Would allow more classes to compete as changes go live too

[@R4UW3RS]

Put 160ms latency on top of that mess of spells and clutter, for us south american players. Cuz blizz sure want our money. But the servers are still located in US 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@NDM100]

... It's a US based company. Majority of the player base is in USA, Europe, and Asia (all of which have their own servers). If you got a few million people playing down there I'm sure they'd open a server. They're not doing it to spite you weirdo.

[@SheewdoodleFB]

Way to much going on 😂

[@Flextreme.]

Not to be a hater but if Saul/Shaz/Dorito swapped out the WW for like, Unholy DK, or really just anything else...they probably win. DK's do triple WW damage in 3 buttons and half the buttons to push. Plus Windwalkers (imo of course since its technically my main) just dont have any buttons that you can make coms with like: I have this I have this get ready...its just im fisting, leg sweep, my sap broke, they walked through my rop...etc. lmao...

[@marcusjordon-cb1sw]

Is Saul that guy from the bar in central intelligence 😂

[@dj_mcbain]

Dorito keeping the ww dream alive

[@Dwal1n]

Professional PVP with that UI? LOL 🤣🤣

[@ForggeEsportsNutrition]

Can you explain how AWC works? Last weekend I thought Power Toads won? Or is that just Week 1? How many weeks are there?

[@ItsNanerpus]

3 weeks then top 4 teams from both regions fight for grand prize

[@905kadin8]

So why havnt we made an RBGWC tournament yet... 🤔

[@James-nx5ii]

anyone know the addon for the shortened damage numbers?

[@tomludlow1]

can someone tell me which addon puts the health and mana bar right below the character--in this case it also has a few buffs on top

[@MrNightfate]

how they can see the fight with so many thing on screen

[@PlayMaker-iq8mb]

Muscle memory scrub get good

[@zzzZHeartZzzz]

Idk if I’m ever going to be glad lol, the rate of play is insane only been playing since DF season 2

[@evoknz]

Wasn't there a rule for no addons ?

[@GoomBayBee]

This is why I stopped competing in AWC, too many sweats.

[@williamantworth5862]

Lol ok

[@iJxlly]

Yeah man people are sweating in a tournament with money on the line, crazy concept.

[@azpilotd4351]

I love the PvP side of this game and want to be able to compete, but there is no way. Simply too much information to digest and I am too old for that now. BGB is better for me so I think I will be sticking to that.

[@cammmlawton]

God I wish we could just all agree to play without all these damn add ons so we could just see the game

[@Crazydonkey-m4j]

Did he use hex?

[@jacobclark9435]

i'm still baffled by how people have two to 4 of the same abilities on the action bar, its just not nessacary lol

[@Fen3rbahce]

This kid is cracked out on adderall

[@AcerAz115]

Ngl i can see why pvp or wow in general can scare people off lol theres so much shit going on. If yoh dont commit and learn everything or at least try to learn a bit of everything it would be confusing af to play. But once you get it down its not as bad as it seems but definitely takes more time to learn than any other game ive ever played.

[@Robsos2010]

Goes too fast to see what's going on.

[@AFSKID]

Bro why can’t blizzard let enhance be good.

[@mikehopkins7384]

Couldn’t finish watching the bro guy game

[@Xonethug1]

liquid started with a cleave cuz they almost always throw mes in a comp first game

[@rafikzidane477]

80% of ppl on the comment section are probably new to the game or at least new to wow arena, not understanding what's going on and the screen is full of icons 😅

[@chase8844]

Played the last 2 season of wow pvp and I have no idea wtf is going on here

[@drewwil891]

Pikaboo is the goat of wow pvp In general guy can get 2400 on any class/spec

[@Az00069]

Why do the majority of WoW players prefer PvE over PvP? WHY?!!! It bothers me so much.

[@kone5206]

Maybe the problem is that pvp is hard to learn. In pve mostly you need learn your class, while to be good in pvp you need know good all classes.

[@Asmodeius]

Soooo, none of the rewards including glad mount should be locked behind this sweat shop. like at all. this type of competition, the level, should only be for real money. AWC or whatever, it shall not be on live servers. this is just insane. the rewards for this sweat, should be money and clout for your channel. the regular (gladiator mount as well) ingame rewards, should not be locked behind this.

[@Eityhdz]

F tier #1 underdogs

[@BeatRock253]

that is tough to listen to

[@Tsunamiieh]

pvp in this game is dead. his UI right now looks like those molten core screenshot healer raid povs

[@iPanicyt]

People complaining about the UI are so useless and low IQ. Just play with the UI you want. You only need 3 addons to perform at high levels anyway. It's like being angry that a elite athlete needs masseuse, spa treatment, dieting, workout, practice and cant drink alcohol, well then dont be a elite athlete?

[@tempiasjdoiasd]

honestly the first game ui looks ok but you literally dont even see the game anymore .......

[@TheVeregat]

Sauluwu kinda annoying ngl. Bro bro bro. Great and amazing plays and games.

[@gnubbiersh647]

Whats The point of making all those big plays If nothing dies?

[@Sheo.G]

What's the point of doing anything in life if there's a chance you don't succeed?

[@tony9526]

Screen clutter is off the charts. Cant just play the fucking game need 37 weak auras and 19 add-ons just to get in the arena.

[@youcanthandlethetruth6976]

Warlock still tanky asf

[@SekundovaMaria]

Snutz have own onlyfans farm ? 😂

[@cooller8888]

bro these people are great but the UI is awful, some of them using defaults for those addons :D I'd be so confused where to look at the same thing first :D :d

[@Spiritt_Daphiti]

Cool video, buddy ! Even the Pros place all they have to win against Op* classes . Addons,Aura counters,low graphics and plantly of icons , but aye the Shaman ....beter Horde / i so wish him Good luck .

[@Shield_Wolf91]

This is why I don’t play normal arena. I can’t do comms like that. Too much talking lol

[@neverstoppulling5169]

Retail wow is just....... wtf

[@slykeren8371]

Zzzz PvP. Hitting target dummies until you get your perfect cc chain

[@serhii7210]

to much pve andys with some sort of brainworm in comm xS

[@lewisnt_]

Way too complicated bro

[@harrylong2796]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM rogues

[@fkubiggness]

Sauluwu annoying AF lol

[@Ultraone-x9o]

Wow PVP is multiple add-ons and GSE one shot macros just for some sweaty nerd to have an advantage.

[@Liz-vm5ej]

Visual vomit

[@chandlermidkiff2028]

Wow pvp is so bad now…

[@svsv1191]

Pro? Isn't liquid the only team who''s actually pro now? Did GG find a new pro team? I thought they where former pro/streamers/high rank players

[@kerokupo]

this is why retail sucks

[@dhampir216]

Imgaine claiming to be a professional in wow when it doesnt even exist lmao ..

[@phedos]

this is sooo bad😂

[@ilevitatecs2]

wow pvp has been dead for ages. why would anyone play this game if every game goes into damp forever? so many better games to play rn

[@905kadin8]

Name one that's a better pvp game.....

[@dominicteribery9464]

@@905kadin8he really ain’t wrong. Arenas are horrible honestly. It don’t fit a mmo if you think about it. Wows PvP should be based around BGs. Not 3v3.

[@ethanyup2706]

@@dominicteribery9464might be the worst take I’ve ever seen

[@dominicteribery9464]

@@ethanyup2706 explain? I thought mmo stands for massively multiplayer online. Nothing massive about a 3v3 match.

[@22CKane]

Sooooo dead😂😂😂

[@Zedman3333]

That screen is fn disgusting, what a shit show

[@ziggy2976]

wtf is even going on in pvp games. Looks like insane interface clutter. So unappealing.

[@rehmsmeyer]

A LOT of unnecessary talking lol.

[@xd4564-t5i]

Hahaha Venruki you are on mega doses of copium if you think this looks fun to any normal person.

[@Tiex69]

This looks awful... No wonder classic/SoD pvp is more fun

[@PrototypeBeatLab]

Saul plays the wrong spec. Stormbringer is where its at. Skip the primordial wave and lavalash/flameshock talents. Go Stormstrike - Elemental Blast build. And he should really pick up healing stream totem for 6% dmg reduction against lock. On the 3 pvp target dummies I can sustain 1.1M dps. I swear, its a spec thats totally under the radar.

[@bulmer69JR]

Wow players are such boomers complaining about too many icons. If you have been playing the game for 20 years like most people, how can you not figure things out by now.

[@dd-tc6ip]

Small scale pvp. Boring. Old graphic engine!!

[@theformuoli6397]

Looks like shit

[@samasl4455]

i play without addons and get 2k plus every bracket in pvp shit is a joke bro

[@rafikzidane477]

Yes, but at high rated arenas they track offensive and defensives CD to land a kill in a short window

[@MrCodeman2036]

This is exactly what my solo games look like. The only problem is my teammates always suck. So I’m forever stuck at 1500

[@luciano6041]

At 1500 in Solo Q u r competing against the best Fire Mages in u r region

[@georgeblack1977]

Same! It’s so frustrating

[@Asmodeius]

1700 right now on feral. every lobby some one whips out a glad mount from last xpack. shit is unreal, and we're 5 weeks into the expansion. blizzard needs to stop holding those players at low brackets, and let them go to 3k+ so normal people never see them and can enjoy the game.